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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Sun Apr  1 18:41:00 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 10:41:00 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] List of heads
Message-ID: <001201cd1026$392f3850$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

Trying to figure out which playback head would work for replacement on my ZX-9 and am a bit confused about the chart on the Nakremotes site (awesome site BTW :)  are all P-8L heads the same except have different mountings and/or wiring for the different part numbers/decks?

Cheers,
Rainer



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From alfredochirino at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 19:02:21 2012
From: alfredochirino at gmail.com (Alfredo Chirino)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:02:21 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Playback issues with my Nak CR-7A
Message-ID: <CAA_2Yj+CZF3OCN9KRZd4bCfOjd7uzoEj8-gAa1A9aByUw=r2vg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Sirs,

I recently bought a CR-7A from Audiogon.  It is in pristine cosmetic
condition, very clean and on arrival it doesn`t play tapes.  When I hit
play, the deck tries to play and after a second it stops.  It doesn`t fast
forward the tape, after some attempts the fast forward and rewind works but
the problems with the playback remain.

I am trying to solve the problem, hopefully it is a problem relatead to
idler tire and belts.  My Cr-7A is an old model, it doesn`t have the eq
mode and the newer gear kit installed.

Can you help me?

Thanks and best regards,

Alfredo
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From luis at peromarta.org  Sun Apr  1 20:26:56 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 20:26:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Playback issues with my Nak CR-7A
In-Reply-To: <CAA_2Yj+CZF3OCN9KRZd4bCfOjd7uzoEj8-gAa1A9aByUw=r2vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA_2Yj+CZF3OCN9KRZd4bCfOjd7uzoEj8-gAa1A9aByUw=r2vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DE61D9F6-9D10-4611-9041-AD226D520B66@peromarta.org>

Tyre and belts are certainly a good starting point. 

Good luck. 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 01/04/2012, a las 19:02, Alfredo Chirino <alfredochirino at gmail.com> escribió:

> Dear Sirs,
> 
> I recently bought a CR-7A from Audiogon.  It is in pristine cosmetic condition, very clean and on arrival it doesn`t play tapes.  When I hit play, the deck tries to play and after a second it stops.  It doesn`t fast forward the tape, after some attempts the fast forward and rewind works but the problems with the playback remain.
> 
> I am trying to solve the problem, hopefully it is a problem relatead to idler tire and belts.  My Cr-7A is an old model, it doesn`t have the eq mode and the newer gear kit installed.
> 
> Can you help me? 
> 
> Thanks and best regards,
> 
> Alfredo
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From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  1 22:59:44 2012
From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:59:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Playback issues with my Nak CR-7A
In-Reply-To: <DE61D9F6-9D10-4611-9041-AD226D520B66@peromarta.org>
Message-ID: <1333313984.29627.YahooMailClassic@web184517.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Also cam motor, belt, and adjustment and hardened grease on the mechanism that raises and lowers the heads and pinch roller assembly.    Thomas

--- On Sun, 4/1/12, Luis Peromarta <luis at peromarta.org> wrote:


From: Luis Peromarta <luis at peromarta.org>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Playback issues with my Nak CR-7A
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, April 1, 2012, 2:26 PM


Tyre and belts are certainly a good starting point. 

Good luck. 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 01/04/2012, a las 19:02, Alfredo Chirino <alfredochirino at gmail.com> escribió:

> Dear Sirs,
> 
> I recently bought a CR-7A from Audiogon.  It is in pristine cosmetic condition, very clean and on arrival it doesn`t play tapes.  When I hit play, the deck tries to play and after a second it stops.  It doesn`t fast forward the tape, after some attempts the fast forward and rewind works but the problems with the playback remain.
> 
> I am trying to solve the problem, hopefully it is a problem relatead to idler tire and belts.  My Cr-7A is an old model, it doesn`t have the eq mode and the newer gear kit installed.
> 
> Can you help me? 
> 
> Thanks and best regards,
> 
> Alfredo
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From alfredochirino at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 21:37:10 2012
From: alfredochirino at gmail.com (Alfredo Chirino)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:37:10 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Thanks for your help!
Message-ID: <CAA_2Yj+HNS-6je+XWZ87pZFaUXrMDjqs9oQ7ieN+yYAxxKR=og@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Luis and Thomas,

Thank you very much for your advice.  I will try to do all the cheks you
recommended.  Hopefully it is a problem due to age of the deck.

Best regards,

Alfredo
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From adrian at mechner.net  Wed Apr  4 07:46:15 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:46:15 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX handles
Message-ID: <000001cd1226$407fd8b0$c17f8a10$@net>

Hi guys, 

Does anyone want a pair of handles which fit the 660, 680, 681, 682 series?

I have one of my 680Zx's with this handles and I would like to trade them
for the non handle side ends.

Please let me know.

Adrian

 

Oh, I forgot to say, they are on the deck, but in like out of the box
condition and I'm looking for a strait trade with some similar mint side
ends even if handles appear to be higher regarded by some people on Epay; I
simply don't like them.

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From avss01 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 10:45:02 2012
From: avss01 at gmail.com (avss01)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:45:02 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX handles
In-Reply-To: <000001cd1226$407fd8b0$c17f8a10$@net>
References: <000001cd1226$407fd8b0$c17f8a10$@net>
Message-ID: <CAES7Nr1M9Y-MpBuCH26hQQTRL9JSe_SHcMnVK5LJVGt1VProEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Adrian

I would love to trade with you, but I am in Australia,  where are you?

Happy to help with freight if that helps

Regards

David

On Wednesday, April 4, 2012, Adrian Mechner wrote:

> Hi guys, ****
>
> Does anyone want a pair of handles which fit the 660, 680, 681, 682 series?
> ****
>
> I have one of my 680Zx’s with this handles and I would like to trade them
> for the non handle side ends.****
>
> Please let me know.****
>
> Adrian****
>
> ** **
>
> Oh, I forgot to say, they are on the deck, but in like out of the box
> condition and I’m looking for a strait trade with some similar mint side
> ends even if handles appear to be higher regarded by some people on Epay; I
> simply don’t like them.****
>
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Wed Apr  4 15:31:11 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 10:31:11 -0300
Subject: RES: [naktalk] 680ZX handles
In-Reply-To: <000001cd1226$407fd8b0$c17f8a10$@net>
References: <000001cd1226$407fd8b0$c17f8a10$@net>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40470269A@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Hi Adrian,

 

I would have loved to trade them with you (when I bought the 660ZX), but now I´m not quite sure I´d like to part with the non-handle sides...

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Adrian Mechner
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 4 de abril de 2012 02:46
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: [naktalk] 680ZX handles

 

Hi guys, 

Does anyone want a pair of handles which fit the 660, 680, 681, 682 series?

I have one of my 680Zx's with this handles and I would like to trade them for the non handle side ends.

Please let me know.

Adrian

 

Oh, I forgot to say, they are on the deck, but in like out of the box condition and I'm looking for a strait trade with some similar mint side ends even if handles appear to be higher regarded by some people on Epay; I simply don't like them.


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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Wed Apr  4 16:59:21 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:59:21 -0300
Subject: Cancelar: [naktalk] 680ZX handles
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC404702701@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Rodrigo Krause deseja cancelar a mensagem "[naktalk] 680ZX handles".

Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou
de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do
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From adrian at mechner.net  Wed Apr  4 18:43:02 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 09:43:02 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX handles
In-Reply-To: <CAES7Nr1M9Y-MpBuCH26hQQTRL9JSe_SHcMnVK5LJVGt1VProEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001cd1226$407fd8b0$c17f8a10$@net>
	<CAES7Nr1M9Y-MpBuCH26hQQTRL9JSe_SHcMnVK5LJVGt1VProEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801cd1282$00a6c3f0$01f44bd0$@net>

David,

 

Thanks for the offer. I promised Wouter  because he was first to respond
that I will let him have the handles if he finds the plates. It's only fair
to do so.

On the other hand I got an email off topic on my email from a member who
informed me that in the eventuality that I will ever part with the deck, it
would add value to have the handles to go with. I don't intend to part with
it, but you can never know. I will also consider making the plates myself. I
have the original plates on my second 680ZX and would use them as a
template.

Thanks again,

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of avss01
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 1:45 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX handles

 

Hi Adrian

 

I would love to trade with you, but I am in Australia,  where are you?

 

Happy to help with freight if that helps

 

Regards

 

David

On Wednesday, April 4, 2012, Adrian Mechner wrote:

Hi guys, 

Does anyone want a pair of handles which fit the 660, 680, 681, 682 series?

I have one of my 680Zx's with this handles and I would like to trade them
for the non handle side ends.

Please let me know.

Adrian

 

Oh, I forgot to say, they are on the deck, but in like out of the box
condition and I'm looking for a strait trade with some similar mint side
ends even if handles appear to be higher regarded by some people on Epay; I
simply don't like them.

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From avss01 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 22:50:29 2012
From: avss01 at gmail.com (avss01)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 06:50:29 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX handles
In-Reply-To: <000801cd1282$00a6c3f0$01f44bd0$@net>
References: <000001cd1226$407fd8b0$c17f8a10$@net>
	<CAES7Nr1M9Y-MpBuCH26hQQTRL9JSe_SHcMnVK5LJVGt1VProEQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000801cd1282$00a6c3f0$01f44bd0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAES7Nr0=xiG2eLk3QvBbM=fRabiT0ambEpTNskLS289RpcCNbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Adrian

No problem, glad you were able to secure a swap.  The straight sides would
be much easier to have made than the handles I imagine.

Best wishes

David

On Thursday, April 5, 2012, Adrian Mechner wrote:

> David,****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks for the offer. I promised Wouter  because he was first to respond
> that I will let him have the handles if he finds the plates. It’s only fair
> to do so.****
>
> On the other hand I got an email off topic on my email from a member who
> informed me that in the eventuality that I will ever part with the deck, it
> would add value to have the handles to go with. I don’t intend to part with
> it, but you can never know. I will also consider making the plates myself.
> I have the original plates on my second 680ZX and would use them as a
> template.****
>
> Thanks again,****
>
> Adrian****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'naktalk-bounces at naks.com');> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'naktalk-bounces at naks.com');>]
> *On Behalf Of *avss01
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 04, 2012 1:45 AM
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 680ZX handles****
>
> ** **
>
> Hi Adrian****
>
> ** **
>
> I would love to trade with you, but I am in Australia,  where are you?****
>
> ** **
>
> Happy to help with freight if that helps****
>
> ** **
>
> Regards****
>
> ** **
>
> David
>
> On Wednesday, April 4, 2012, Adrian Mechner wrote:****
>
> Hi guys, ****
>
> Does anyone want a pair of handles which fit the 660, 680, 681, 682 series?
> ****
>
> I have one of my 680Zx’s with this handles and I would like to trade them
> for the non handle side ends.****
>
> Please let me know.****
>
> Adrian****
>
>  ****
>
> Oh, I forgot to say, they are on the deck, but in like out of the box
> condition and I’m looking for a strait trade with some similar mint side
> ends even if handles appear to be higher regarded by some people on Epay; I
> simply don’t like them.****
>
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From avss01 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 22:55:31 2012
From: avss01 at gmail.com (avss01)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 06:55:31 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: 680ZX handles
In-Reply-To: <CBA25CCE.87A1%davidt124@internode.on.net>
References: <CBA25CCE.87A1%davidt124@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <CAES7Nr0a-y806KD9+RYZft7BMW_61H2D+qi4tJCDyOemxqLWpA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David

Thanks for the offer.  Have replied to you off list.

Regards

David

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: *David Thompson*
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Subject: 680ZX handles
To: avss01 at gmail.com


David

If a swap with Adrian doesn't work out I have a pair that I don't use and
available for a swap.
I am in Cairns, Qld.

Regards

David Thompson
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From Alex at rubli.net  Thu Apr  5 02:15:37 2012
From: Alex at rubli.net (Alex Rubli)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:15:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] model 1000 trouboeshooting
In-Reply-To: <201204041027.q34AQBO5030075@zxe.naks.com>
References: <201204041027.q34AQBO5030075@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <0C0E25E9-102D-4BF8-B5F8-4D177E66F392@rubli.net>

Dear Naka fellows..

I am troubleshooting a model 1000 (not MKII, not ZXL) cassette deck.

I changed the belts and everything moves...
but in PLAY mode, the take up reel does not move, the motor does not receive voltage in play made, but it does in FF

I have the MKII manual and the ZXL manual, but they are quite different.

any hint or suggestion ?

thanx in advance

Alex Rubli
alex at rubli.net


From adrian at mechner.net  Thu Apr  5 08:30:11 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 23:30:11 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX handles
In-Reply-To: <CAES7Nr1M9Y-MpBuCH26hQQTRL9JSe_SHcMnVK5LJVGt1VProEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001cd1226$407fd8b0$c17f8a10$@net>
	<CAES7Nr1M9Y-MpBuCH26hQQTRL9JSe_SHcMnVK5LJVGt1VProEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001cd12f5$8e4a8bb0$aadfa310$@net>

Hi Guys,

The handle case is closed, please don't send off emails anymore and thanks
for all offers.

I'll replicate the ones I have on my other deck and if I won't be able to do
a great job , the handles will go to Wouter.

 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of avss01
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 1:45 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX handles

 

Hi Adrian

 

I would love to trade with you, but I am in Australia,  where are you?

 

Happy to help with freight if that helps

 

Regards

 

David

On Wednesday, April 4, 2012, Adrian Mechner wrote:

Hi guys, 

Does anyone want a pair of handles which fit the 660, 680, 681, 682 series?

I have one of my 680Zx's with this handles and I would like to trade them
for the non handle side ends.

Please let me know.

Adrian

 

Oh, I forgot to say, they are on the deck, but in like out of the box
condition and I'm looking for a strait trade with some similar mint side
ends even if handles appear to be higher regarded by some people on Epay; I
simply don't like them.

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From jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr  Sun Apr  8 13:48:31 2012
From: jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr (Jean-Jerome PREJEAN)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:48:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <752100850.188526.1333885711526.JavaMail.www@wwinf1m12>

HI everybody 
i m facing recording problems on my 582
lack of 40 db if i compare sorce to tape
oscillator maneuvered with a micro scewdriver


From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Sun Apr  8 16:23:12 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:23:12 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
References: <752100850.188526.1333885711526.JavaMail.www@wwinf1m12>
Message-ID: <000601cd1593$21f91440$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

I would check carefully that the heads are clean, try different tape.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jean-Jerome PREJEAN" <jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:48 AM
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)


> HI everybody
> i m facing recording problems on my 582
> lack of 40 db if i compare sorce to tape
> oscillator maneuvered with a micro scewdriver
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From alfredochirino at gmail.com  Wed Apr 11 01:28:44 2012
From: alfredochirino at gmail.com (Alfredo Chirino)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:28:44 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Any similarities between idler tyre from cr-7a and 700 II
	Nakamichi?
Message-ID: <CAA_2YjKqPxZpi9KeUTXzRiR0JUSwHTUuLk2_vkCT+3u-BzBjdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Sirs,

I have to replace the idler tyre in my Nakamichi CR-7A and from other
replacement I have an idler tyre from a Nakamichi 700/700 II.  I would like
to know if there are any similarities between them and if there are risks
involved trying to replace the original idler tyre from my CR-7A with the
spare part from the other deck.  I am not sure if they have the same
factory measures.

Thanks again for your help,

Alfredo
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From luis at peromarta.org  Wed Apr 11 10:21:48 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:21:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Any similarities between idler tyre from cr-7a and 700
	II Nakamichi?
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No, they are not the same. 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 11/04/2012, a las 01:28, Alfredo Chirino <alfredochirino at gmail.com> escribió:

> Dear Sirs,
> 
> I have to replace the idler tyre in my Nakamichi CR-7A and from other replacement I have an idler tyre from a Nakamichi 700/700 II.  I would like to know if there are any similarities between them and if there are risks involved trying to replace the original idler tyre from my CR-7A with the spare part from the other deck.  I am not sure if they have the same factory measures.
> 
> Thanks again for your help,
> 
> Alfredo
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Wed Apr 11 17:38:21 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:38:21 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Any similarities between idler tyre from cr-7a and 700
	II Nakamichi?
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The idler tire for the CR-7A is MUCH easier to replace than any of the
others.  No, it has completely different dimensions.  You should get the
correct replacement.

Willy

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Alfredo Chirino
<alfredochirino at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Sirs,
>
> I have to replace the idler tyre in my Nakamichi CR-7A and from other
> replacement I have an idler tyre from a Nakamichi 700/700 II.  I would like
> to know if there are any similarities between them and if there are risks
> involved trying to replace the original idler tyre from my CR-7A with the
> spare part from the other deck.  I am not sure if they have the same
> factory measures.
>
> Thanks again for your help,
>
> Alfredo
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Wed Apr 11 09:29:36 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 01:29:36 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Any similarities between idler tyre from cr-7a and 700
	IINakamichi?
References: <CAA_2YjKqPxZpi9KeUTXzRiR0JUSwHTUuLk2_vkCT+3u-BzBjdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001cd17b4$d9e443e0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

They are quite a bit different, I'm pretty sure NOT interchangeable. You can order the proper one on E-Bay. I think there are links describing how to replace the tire on the Naks web site. Hope this helps a bit :) 

Cheers,
Rainer S.
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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:28 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Any similarities between idler tyre from cr-7a and 700 IINakamichi?


  Dear Sirs,

  I have to replace the idler tyre in my Nakamichi CR-7A and from other replacement I have an idler tyre from a Nakamichi 700/700 II.  I would like to know if there are any similarities between them and if there are risks involved trying to replace the original idler tyre from my CR-7A with the spare part from the other deck.  I am not sure if they have the same factory measures.

  Thanks again for your help,

  Alfredo





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From adrian at mechner.net  Wed Apr 11 20:24:53 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:24:53 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX
Message-ID: <000001cd1810$64971a20$2dc54e60$@net>

Hi Guys,

 

I own two 680ZX; the one recently returned as fully restored from Willy and
the other one would have gone to Willy as well if there would have been a
reason for that. I even discussed with Willy about sending it in for
calibration and a general check.

After having the one factory restored, I recorded a tape on both sides with
a 400Hz signal at 0db from external source and I aligned the second one to
read the same signal at 0db on both sides. Furthermore I did recordings on
three new tapes as follows: Metal: Sony METAL XR 60min, CrO2: TDK SA,
Normal:  Maxell UR on both speeds.

I calibrated the BIAS for all three types of tape on both speeds until I got
the same readings on the restored deck. I replaced all burned out bulbs from
the restored deck before sending it to Willy and have all bulbs which are no
longer needed on the restored one because it had been converted to LED. The
belts have been replaced two month back; the potentiometers have always been
kept "detoxed".

The cosmetic condition is mint. The sound is the same on both speeds and all
types of tape as the restored one according to reading on the meters and to
my ears. If it wouldn't be at 100% it would go to Willy as the other one
did.

I'm looking forward to get $800 +PayPal &shipping for this one. I had on my
mind to keep them both, but I changed my priorities and truly don't need
two.

All I can say is that the member who got my 660ZX is thrilled with it and
the way I handled the transaction. This being said, I'm open to part with my
680ZX.

It will come with the handles which I don't really like in my setup. Photos
on request. I would like to add that this unit is untouched as far as
anything else but very good maintenance, alignment and calibration.

Thanks for reading,

Adrian

 

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From jmtooley at verizon.net  Wed Apr 11 22:31:26 2012
From: jmtooley at verizon.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:31:26 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: [CassetteForum] Reference Cassette Decks
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Message-ID: <B26867377BC4414F9AE80784A327E714@JohnPC>

Talking of Reference Decks. I have available a ReVox B 215 Cassette Tape Deck for sale.This machine was breathed on many years ago by Stephen Sank, he even installed a 3 pin AC socket. I’ve had this machine at work for many years and it has been used very sparingly. All offers invited with shipping at cost.
John T.
Delaware

From: LENA WONG 
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:16 PM
To: CassetteForum at yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [CassetteForum] Reference Cassette Decks

  
Hi All:
           Actually the Nak 582 also is the deck that In-Sync Lab (From 
Connosseiur Society: Classical Music Label) uses to perform real-time 1:1 
transfer of its master tapes to cassette format using TDK's SA and SA-X in 
Dolby-B and -C NR in the mid 80's. However, I cannot be able to get confirmation 
from the owner Alan Silver whether the recording equalization of the deck used 
have been modified by In-Sync or stay stock. Since the original 582 only has 
Dolby-B NR so the Dolby-C version of tapes may be covered by the 582Z.

           The classic transport system of the 582 is well designed and proven 
and the deck is very stable. It only has Dolby-B NR but it also has adjustable 
playback head azimuth. However, it has one bad mechanical design - cassette door 
ejection mechanism is prone to break easily even though Nakamichi issues a fix 
to correct this flaw. 

Enjoy,
Michael

 

________________________________
From: vqworks <mailto:vqworks%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:CassetteForum%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, April 10, 2012 11:48:02 AM
Subject: [CassetteForum] Reference Cassette Decks

  
Hi All,

It's been over 3 months since the last post on this Forum. That's a long period 
of time to be hearing crickets.

It just dawned on me last night that not many people were aware of the specific 
cassette deck models used as references for Audio Magazine and Stereo Review 
Magazine. These decks were used extensively for blank cassette reviews as well 
as how-to recording articles.

Anyway, for your information, for much of the 80s and beyond, the reference deck 
used by Audio Magazine's George Tillett and the late Howard Roberson was 
actually a Nakamichi 582 cassette deck. Craig Stark and the late Julian Hirsch 
at Stereo Review used a Nakamichi ZX-9 (Mr. Bleus should be smiling about now).

As a side note, Edward J. Foster, the reviewer who took over Howard Roberson's 
role at Audio in 1993 stated that despite being "long in the tooth" the 
Nakamichi 582 deck (1979 model) was still used because it was the most stable 
platform for cassette tests. This was because the deck was preserved and used 
only for such tests throughout the years. To be sure, the 582 and ZX-9 decks are 
excellent machines but the purpose of a reference deck (or any reference 
component) is largely due to a consistent point of reference for comparisons and 
tests.

Len

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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 12 01:24:38 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:24:38 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: [CassetteForum] Reference Cassette Decks
In-Reply-To: <B26867377BC4414F9AE80784A327E714@JohnPC>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP135AF7665E737F710270C8E86350@phx.gbl>

Stephen Sank? Wow, small world. He coached me through the repair of the
mainboard of my Pioneer PDR555RW after an electolytic cap died and leaked.
I was so grateful for his help.
Aloha,
Cheryl

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of John M. Tooley
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:31 AM
To: CassetteForum at yahoogroups.com; El Magnifico; Naktalk; NakChatt
Subject: [naktalk] Re: [CassetteForum] Reference Cassette Decks


Talking of Reference Decks. I have available a ReVox B 215 Cassette Tape
Deck for sale.This machine was breathed on many years ago by Stephen Sank,
he even installed a 3 pin AC socket. I've had this machine at work for many
years and it has been used very sparingly. All offers invited with shipping
at cost.
John T.
Delaware
 
From: LENA WONG <mailto:lenaw at flash.net>  
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:16 PM
To: CassetteForum at yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [CassetteForum] Reference Cassette Decks
 
  

Hi All:
           Actually the Nak 582 also is the deck that In-Sync Lab (From 
Connosseiur Society: Classical Music Label) uses to perform real-time 1:1 
transfer of its master tapes to cassette format using TDK's SA and SA-X in 
Dolby-B and -C NR in the mid 80's. However, I cannot be able to get
confirmation 
from the owner Alan Silver whether the recording equalization of the deck
used 
have been modified by In-Sync or stay stock. Since the original 582 only has

Dolby-B NR so the Dolby-C version of tapes may be covered by the 582Z.

           The classic transport system of the 582 is well designed and
proven 
and the deck is very stable. It only has Dolby-B NR but it also has
adjustable 
playback head azimuth. However, it has one bad mechanical design - cassette
door 
ejection mechanism is prone to break easily even though Nakamichi issues a
fix 
to correct this flaw. 

Enjoy,
Michael

 

________________________________
From: vqworks <mailto:vqworks%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:CassetteForum%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, April 10, 2012 11:48:02 AM
Subject: [CassetteForum] Reference Cassette Decks

  
Hi All,

It's been over 3 months since the last post on this Forum. That's a long
period 
of time to be hearing crickets.

It just dawned on me last night that not many people were aware of the
specific 
cassette deck models used as references for Audio Magazine and Stereo Review

Magazine. These decks were used extensively for blank cassette reviews as
well 
as how-to recording articles.

Anyway, for your information, for much of the 80s and beyond, the reference
deck 
used by Audio Magazine's George Tillett and the late Howard Roberson was 
actually a Nakamichi 582 cassette deck. Craig Stark and the late Julian
Hirsch 
at Stereo Review used a Nakamichi ZX-9 (Mr. Bleus should be smiling about
now).

As a side note, Edward J. Foster, the reviewer who took over Howard
Roberson's 
role at Audio in 1993 stated that despite being "long in the tooth" the 
Nakamichi 582 deck (1979 model) was still used because it was the most
stable 
platform for cassette tests. This was because the deck was preserved and
used 
only for such tests throughout the years. To be sure, the 582 and ZX-9 decks
are 
excellent machines but the purpose of a reference deck (or any reference 
component) is largely due to a consistent point of reference for comparisons
and 
tests.

Len

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From davidt124 at internode.on.net  Thu Apr 12 09:43:45 2012
From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:43:45 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade
Message-ID: <CBACC4D1.8E20%davidt124@internode.on.net>

My ZX-9 seems to be temperamental with type II tapes when first turned on.
Calibration and record may not work, I even had a playback fade down. The
same tapes work well on another deck (682ZX).  When the deck has been on for
a while the type II calibration begins to work. There is no problem with
metal tapes on the ZX-9 from startup though. Everything works with them as
it should. Any clues on this one please?

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From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz  Thu Apr 12 13:01:08 2012
From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:01:08 +1200
Subject: [naktalk] n670zx restoration
Message-ID: <7376F28872E54191A074AD2BD4A0D50D@emachinef0bb72>

Hello everyone,

For those who may be interested in watching of the N670ZX deck restoration 
progress in pictures please visit my website 
http://www.gennlab.com/n670zx.html

Cheers,

Gennady

GennLab

http://www.gennlab.com

+64 21 238 3056

P.S. 1 kHz Track Alignment Tape DA09007A clone project is still under 
development



From chapman.w2 at sky.com  Thu Apr 12 11:33:23 2012
From: chapman.w2 at sky.com (John Chapman)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:33:23 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX
In-Reply-To: <000001cd1810$64971a20$2dc54e60$@net>
References: <000001cd1810$64971a20$2dc54e60$@net>
Message-ID: <13BBE724-426F-4CE0-99D0-54C473883FF2@sky.com>

Hi Guys

What Adrian has done seems really sensible. Very few of us in the UK  
anyway can afford B & W's (excellent) service for every machine or  
find Nak alignment tapes, so is this the way to go - have  machine A  
fully aligned professionally, then align machine B from a new tape  
made on machine A?

Regards

John Chapman
ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS

chapman.w2 at sky.com

10 Belmont Terrace
Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX
01872 865505
07740 565255

http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/




On 11 Apr 2012, at 19:24, Adrian Mechner wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> I own two 680ZX; the one recently returned as fully restored from  
> Willy and the other one would have gone to Willy as well if there  
> would have been a reason for that. I even discussed with Willy about  
> sending it in for calibration and a general check.
> After having the one factory restored, I recorded a tape on both  
> sides with a 400Hz signal at 0db from external source and I aligned  
> the second one to read the same signal at 0db on both sides.  
> Furthermore I did recordings on three new tapes as follows: Metal:  
> Sony METAL XR 60min, CrO2: TDK SA, Normal:  Maxell UR on both speeds.
> I calibrated the BIAS for all three types of tape on both speeds  
> until I got the same readings on the restored deck. I replaced all  
> burned out bulbs from the restored deck before sending it to Willy  
> and have all bulbs which are no longer needed on the restored one  
> because it had been converted to LED. The belts have been replaced  
> two month back; the potentiometers have always been kept “detoxed”.
> The cosmetic condition is mint. The sound is the same on both speeds  
> and all types of tape as the restored one according to reading on  
> the meters and to my ears. If it wouldn’t be at 100% it would go to  
> Willy as the other one did.
> I’m looking forward to get $800 +PayPal &shipping for this one. I  
> had on my mind to keep them both, but I changed my priorities and  
> truly don’t need two.
> All I can say is that the member who got my 660ZX is thrilled with  
> it and the way I handled the transaction. This being said, I’m open  
> to part with my 680ZX.
> It will come with the handles which I don’t really like in my setup.  
> Photos on request. I would like to add that this unit is untouched  
> as far as anything else but very good maintenance, alignment and  
> calibration.
> Thanks for reading,
> Adrian
>
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 14:05:24 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:05:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade
In-Reply-To: <CBACC4D1.8E20%davidt124@internode.on.net>
References: <CBACC4D1.8E20%davidt124@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <3EE724D0-5658-47E9-B62E-A2EF50A8984A@gmail.com>

Hi David,
First  you can do  a playback  test  and listen if the are any fade  
downs on play back only.

If yes, I would give the transport a closer look.

Are fade downs happened only in the worm up time ? When play back is  
started ? Ore does the problem  come up. while the tape is
playing .

The  moving  parts on the transport like the head base  or pinch  
roller some time need  "movement"  to  startup perfect.

This can happen if the cam Motor belt is week.

If " fade downs" come up  while playback was working it can be a  
fault from other parts  in the transport. It can be the back tension  
or Idler.

If you push Play back ---- Stop------ play pack again.  Does that  
change the problem ?
If yes may be   the head base or pinch roller  are not lifted up.


regards

Gerhard



Am 12.04.2012 um 09:43 schrieb David Thompson:

> My ZX-9 seems to be temperamental with type II tapes when first  
> turned on. Calibration and record may not work, I even had a  
> playback fade down. The same tapes work well on another deck  
> (682ZX).  When the deck has been on for a while the type II  
> calibration begins to work. There is no problem with metal tapes on  
> the ZX-9 from startup though. Everything works with them as it  
> should. Any clues on this one please?
>
> David
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Thu Apr 12 14:59:55 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 06:59:55 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade
References: <CBACC4D1.8E20%davidt124@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <001901cd18ac$296a0d30$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

David, recording/cal problem could be dirty/oxidized cal pots. might help to turn all the pots(recording level as well) back and forth multiple times  to give them a workout. Good luck ! :)

Rainer  


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  From: David Thompson 
  To: Naktalk 
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:43 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade


  My ZX-9 seems to be temperamental with type II tapes when first turned on. Calibration and record may not work, I even had a playback fade down. The same tapes work well on another deck (682ZX).  When the deck has been on for a while the type II calibration begins to work. There is no problem with metal tapes on the ZX-9 from startup though. Everything works with them as it should. Any clues on this one please?


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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 12 17:47:03 2012
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:47:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade
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Calibration also depends on some caps on the bias adjustment part - might have  an Orange cap issue. Chcke the Caps in the calibration PCB. ZX 9 is a pain to look at the part - too many wires criss crossing 
Also Calibration Preset could be 
If you have  a Tube VTVM with high bandwidth 0r Fluke 867 ( which has a 200 Khz bandwidth ) you can see the bias voltage across the record head while calibration. Or you should have an Oscilloscope to check 

Kannan
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From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 8:59 AM






David, recording/cal problem could be dirty/oxidized cal pots. might help to turn all the pots(recording level as well) back and forth multiple times  to give them a workout. Good luck ! :)
 
Rainer  
 
 
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From: David Thompson 
To: Naktalk 
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:43 AM
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade


My ZX-9 seems to be temperamental with type II tapes when first turned on. Calibration and record may not work, I even had a playback fade down. The same tapes work well on another deck (682ZX).  When the deck has been on for a while the type II calibration begins to work. There is no problem with metal tapes on the ZX-9 from startup though. Everything works with them as it should. Any clues on this one please?


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From adrian at mechner.net  Thu Apr 12 18:26:08 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:26:08 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade
In-Reply-To: <3EE724D0-5658-47E9-B62E-A2EF50A8984A@gmail.com>
References: <CBACC4D1.8E20%davidt124@internode.on.net>
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I would eliminate the transport as being faulty since it works fine with
metal tapes. Same transport, different behavior, simply look somewhere else.
Since you have fade down on PB and cal problems I would rather look after a
temperature sensitive part which is active in PB and in Rec.

Adrian

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Gerhard Wartha
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:05 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade

Hi David,
First  you can do  a playback  test  and listen if the are any fade downs on
play back only.

If yes, I would give the transport a closer look.

Are fade downs happened only in the worm up time ? When play back is started
? Ore does the problem  come up. while the tape is playing .

The  moving  parts on the transport like the head base  or pinch roller some
time need  "movement"  to  startup perfect.

This can happen if the cam Motor belt is week.

If " fade downs" come up  while playback was working it can be a fault from
other parts  in the transport. It can be the back tension or Idler.

If you push Play back ---- Stop------ play pack again.  Does that change the
problem ?
If yes may be   the head base or pinch roller  are not lifted up.


regards

Gerhard



Am 12.04.2012 um 09:43 schrieb David Thompson:

> My ZX-9 seems to be temperamental with type II tapes when first turned 
> on. Calibration and record may not work, I even had a playback fade 
> down. The same tapes work well on another deck (682ZX).  When the deck 
> has been on for a while the type II calibration begins to work. There 
> is no problem with metal tapes on the ZX-9 from startup though. 
> Everything works with them as it should. Any clues on this one please?
>
> David
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Thu Apr 12 23:36:54 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:36:54 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi deck purchase
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40479C6D7@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Hi Adrian,

 

I would like to state that the deck I bought from you is probably the
best single piece of equipment I own - and I do own quite a few -
including - "God forbid" - Akai, Sansui and Yamaha! I have seen some of
your gear for sale and hope to be able to buy more from you, especially
your customized turntables. 

 

To all NakTalk members I would like to share with you my satisfaction
with the care and excellent condition (along with continuous
support...!) provided by you, Adrian, via your emails on NakTalks forum.
I strongly urge that you stop being "selfish" (just kidding!) and show
off some of your projects and to us all.

 

Best regards,

 

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From davidt124 at internode.on.net  Fri Apr 13 12:46:11 2012
From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:46:11 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZX-9 fade
In-Reply-To: <201204131010.q3DA8JBL001795@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <CBAE36A8.8EE1%davidt124@internode.on.net>

Thanks for the responses on this problem.
I tried it again tonight and it did a fade down on a metal tape also.
Playback starts OK and then starts to muffle and fade down to nothing.
Press stop and play again and this pattern repeats. With no tape in the
machine the rollers and transport are lifting up OK.
It seemed to settle OK after a short fast forward. The belts and idler
tyre were replaced in 2009. I will check it out further on the weekend.
It shouldn't be too bad as it was serviced by John Gipps last year.

David

On 13/04/12 8:10 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com" <naktalk-request at naks.com>
wrote:

>Hi David,
>First  you can do  a playback  test  and listen if the are any fade
>downs on play back only.
>
>If yes, I would give the transport a closer look.
>
>Are fade downs happened only in the worm up time ? When play back is
>started ? Ore does the problem  come up. while the tape is
>playing .
>
>The  moving  parts on the transport like the head base  or pinch
>roller some time need  "movement"  to  startup perfect.
>
>This can happen if the cam Motor belt is week.
>
>If " fade downs" come up  while playback was working it can be a
>fault from other parts  in the transport. It can be the back tension
>or Idler.
>
>If you push Play back ---- Stop------ play pack again.  Does that
>change the problem ?
>If yes may be   the head base or pinch roller  are not lifted up.
>
>
>regards
>
>Gerhard
>
>
>Am 12.04.2012 um 09:43 schrieb David Thompson:
>
>>My ZX-9 seems to be temperamental with type II tapes when first
>>turned on. Calibration and record may not work, I even had a
>>playback fade down. The same tapes work well on another deck
>>(682ZX).  When the deck has been on for a while the type II
>>calibration begins to work. There is no problem with metal tapes on
>>the ZX-9 from startup though. Everything works with them as it
>>should. Any clues on this one please?
>>
>>David




From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 13 19:17:50 2012
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:17:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZX-9 fade
In-Reply-To: <CBAE36A8.8EE1%davidt124@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <1334337470.66157.YahooMailClassic@web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Surely this is due to extremely small capstan differential speed causing poor head to tape contact
This happens on ZX 9 as I had noticed similar problem on one ZX 9! 
The Capstan Belt needs change as well as check the problem after a new belt change. If it (the problem) continues increase the dia of the take up capstan flywheel by fixing a cellophone tape which would increase the differential speed between the capstans
 
this would increase the tape tension - subsequently improve the tape to head contact - which is the culprit in your case
Kannan


--- On Fri, 4/13/12, David Thompson <davidt124 at internode.on.net> wrote:


From: David Thompson <davidt124 at internode.on.net>
Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZX-9 fade
To: "Naktalk" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 6:46 AM


Thanks for the responses on this problem.
I tried it again tonight and it did a fade down on a metal tape also.
Playback starts OK and then starts to muffle and fade down to nothing.
Press stop and play again and this pattern repeats. With no tape in the
machine the rollers and transport are lifting up OK.
It seemed to settle OK after a short fast forward. The belts and idler
tyre were replaced in 2009. I will check it out further on the weekend.
It shouldn't be too bad as it was serviced by John Gipps last year.

David

On 13/04/12 8:10 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com" <naktalk-request at naks.com>
wrote:

>Hi David,
>First  you can do  a playback  test  and listen if the are any fade
>downs on play back only.
>
>If yes, I would give the transport a closer look.
>
>Are fade downs happened only in the worm up time ? When play back is
>started ? Ore does the problem  come up. while the tape is
>playing .
>
>The  moving  parts on the transport like the head base  or pinch
>roller some time need  "movement"  to  startup perfect.
>
>This can happen if the cam Motor belt is week.
>
>If " fade downs" come up  while playback was working it can be a
>fault from other parts  in the transport. It can be the back tension
>or Idler.
>
>If you push Play back ---- Stop------ play pack again.  Does that
>change the problem ?
>If yes may be   the head base or pinch roller  are not lifted up.
>
>
>regards
>
>Gerhard
>
>
>Am 12.04.2012 um 09:43 schrieb David Thompson:
>
>>My ZX-9 seems to be temperamental with type II tapes when first
>>turned on. Calibration and record may not work, I even had a
>>playback fade down. The same tapes work well on another deck
>>(682ZX).  When the deck has been on for a while the type II
>>calibration begins to work. There is no problem with metal tapes on
>>the ZX-9 from startup though. Everything works with them as it
>>should. Any clues on this one please?
>>
>>David


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From davidt124 at internode.on.net  Sat Apr 14 11:58:13 2012
From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 19:58:13 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 110, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <201204141009.q3EA8Bfn006515@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <CBAF865F.9010%davidt124@internode.on.net>

Thanks Kannan. Your cause makes sense. The ZX-9 seems to be finicky in
this area.
A thorough clean of the capstans has not improved it so I am going to
source a new capstan belt.
David

On 14/04/12 8:09 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com" <naktalk-request at naks.com>
wrote:

>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:17:50 -0700 (PDT)
>From: kannan srinivasaraghavan <kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: ZX-9 fade
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Message-ID:
>	<1334337470.66157.YahooMailClassic at web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Surely this is due to extremely small capstan differential speed causing
>poor head to tape contact
>This happens on ZX 9 as I had noticed similar problem on one ZX 9!
>The Capstan Belt needs change as well as check the problem after a new
>belt change. If it (the problem) continues increase the dia of the take
>up capstan flywheel by fixing a cellophone tape which would increase the
>differential speed between the capstans
> 
>this would increase the tape tension - subsequently improve the tape to
>head contact - which is the culprit in your case
>Kannan
>




From bagua_dao at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 14 06:02:39 2012
From: bagua_dao at yahoo.com (ying yang)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 21:02:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX303/RX505 Tire Change Pogoplug Share from perryinva
	- New Folder
In-Reply-To: <2385898.108061.1322372648699.JavaMail.root@mailer.pogoplug.com>
References: <2385898.108061.1322372648699.JavaMail.root@mailer.pogoplug.com>
Message-ID: <1334376159.29501.YahooMailNeo@web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>


 
Hi Perry, Thanks for the
photos and the Step by Step explanation.
We were successful until we came to change the Tire over the Hub and that was a problem
so we seek help on the website again.
After purchasing the TIRE
my friend; formerly a technician with Sanyo (he is 73 years and retired by the
way) last Thursday 12April  helped me to
open up in accordance with the instructions given by Perry. His attempts to put
the TIRE on the HUB was twisted and he tried unsuccessfully to even it over the
HUB with the thumb. He rmoved the Tire and put it on again but it was still
twisted and when it did sit on the HUB, one edge was higher than the other on
the HUB. He even tried to rolled it on a hard glass table top but without
success.
He tried using Aeroglide a water-based
lubricant in tiny amount brushed over the inner side of Tire and groove of HUB
but TIRE remained over the HUB with one Edge higher than the other.
Can anyone advise how to
put the Tire over the Hub such that it will sit evenly over it.
Thank you very much.
 

________________________________
    

 
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From bagua_dao at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 14 10:29:02 2012
From: bagua_dao at yahoo.com (ying yang)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 01:29:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 How to ease the TIRE over the HUB to let it sit
	with both edges of TIRE evenly on the HUB
Message-ID: <1334392142.16772.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>




Hi Perry, Thanks for the
photos and the Step by Step explanation on the NAK RX505 Tire Replacement you sent on 27Novemver2012.
 
After purchasing the TIRE
my friend; formerly a technician with Sanyo (he is 73 years and retired by the
way) last Thursday 12April  helped me to
open up in accordance with the instructions given by Perry. His attempts to put
the TIRE on the HUB was twisted and he tried unsuccessfully to even it over the
HUB with the thumb. He rmoved the Tire and put it on again but it was still
twisted and when it did sit on the HUB, one edge was higher than the other on
the HUB. He even tried to rolled it on a hard glass table top but without
success.
 He tried using Aeroglide a water-based
lubricant in tiny amount brushed over the inner side of Tire and groove of HUB
but TIRE remained over the HUB with one Edge higher than the other.
Can anyone advise how to
put the Tire over the Hub such that it will sit evenly over it. 


Any medium to use to ease the TIRE to let it sit evenly over the HUB.
The TIRE has been spoilt in the 3 attempts so I decided to buy a new one.

Thank you all very much.
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Sat Apr 14 16:25:38 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 08:25:38 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 110, Issue 10
References: <CBAF865F.9010%davidt124@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <000901cd1a4a$779f8ee0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

Hey guys, I've heard this too but I don't understand how a slipping capstan 
belt can decrease tape contact. If the motor is on the take-up capstan and 
the supply capstan is driven by the belt then wouldn't any slippage cause 
the supply side to slow down and increase tension between the capstans ???

Cheers,
Rainer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Thompson" <davidt124 at internode.on.net>
To: "Naktalk" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:58 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 110, Issue 10


> Thanks Kannan. Your cause makes sense. The ZX-9 seems to be finicky in
> this area.
> A thorough clean of the capstans has not improved it so I am going to
> source a new capstan belt.
> David
>
> On 14/04/12 8:09 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com" <naktalk-request at naks.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Message: 2
>>Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:17:50 -0700 (PDT)
>>From: kannan srinivasaraghavan <kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: ZX-9 fade
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Message-ID:
>> <1334337470.66157.YahooMailClassic at web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>Surely this is due to extremely small capstan differential speed causing
>>poor head to tape contact
>>This happens on ZX 9 as I had noticed similar problem on one ZX 9!
>>The Capstan Belt needs change as well as check the problem after a new
>>belt change. If it (the problem) continues increase the dia of the take
>>up capstan flywheel by fixing a cellophone tape which would increase the
>>differential speed between the capstans
>>
>>this would increase the tape tension - subsequently improve the tape to
>>head contact - which is the culprit in your case
>>Kannan
>>
>
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From adrian at mechner.net  Sat Apr 14 18:11:36 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 09:11:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX
Message-ID: <000001cd1a59$44ffd1c0$ceff7540$@net>

Hi Guys!

 

If no one in this community wants a truly mint 680ZX, I'm going to list it
on the resources I usually sell my tables. I thought someone here would like
a mint one and since this is the place where we don't BS people about the
condition.

The past experience of selling here my 660Zx ($500) had been described by
the buyer - Rodrigo, as being excellent; this might give you confidence, if
the simple fact that I "dare" offering it to people who know how a mint deck
looks and operates like, did not.

Price is firm at $800 (PP+ shipping are extra). Photos upon request. It will
come with handles, professionally packed and I will add a standard test tape
with a 400Hz at 0db signal on both sides. It's not a high end tape like
Gennady offers, but it will do the job.

Thanks again,

Adrian

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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Sat Apr 14 19:17:19 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:17:19 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX303/RX505 Tire Change Pogoplug Share from
	perryinva- New Folder
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Message-ID: <004001cd1a62$73c240c0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

I have same problem, put deck back together thinking the tire will eventually seat, but it is still not concentric, was going to try to put the wheel in hot water and try to seat tire that way next time I have transport apart. It appears to me that the tires are slightly too thick, thought it was just me!!

Cheers,
Rainer
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ying yang 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Cc: mailman at naks.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:02 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX303/RX505 Tire Change Pogoplug Share from perryinva- New Folder


  Hi Perry, Thanks for the photos and the Step by Step explanation.
  We were successful until we came to change the Tire over the Hub and that was a problem
  so we seek help on the website again.
  After purchasing the TIRE my friend; formerly a technician with Sanyo (he is 73 years and retired by the way) last Thursday 12April  helped me to open up in accordance with the instructions given by Perry. His attempts to put the TIRE on the HUB was twisted and he tried unsuccessfully to even it over the HUB with the thumb. He rmoved the Tire and put it on again but it was still twisted and when it did sit on the HUB, one edge was higher than the other on the HUB. He even tried to rolled it on a hard glass table top but without success.
  He tried using Aeroglide a water-based lubricant in tiny amount brushed over the inner side of Tire and groove of HUB but TIRE remained over the HUB with one Edge higher than the other.
  Can anyone advise how to put the Tire over the Hub such that it will sit evenly over it.
  Thank you very much.


     


  Hello, 

  perryinva shared New Folder with you. 
        








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From fergus.cullen at gmail.com  Sat Apr 14 21:09:07 2012
From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:09:07 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi deck purchase
In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40479C6D7@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
References: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40479C6D7@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
Message-ID: <CACeid-QmjRNcgcWFzViEhvMWsZVqGhs021TGnULijDxdUDGk6A@mail.gmail.com>

Customized turntables? Is there a website?



On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Rodrigo Krause
<rkrause at multiplan.com.br>wrote:

> Hi Adrian,****
>
> ** **
>
> I would like to state that the deck I bought from you is probably the best
> single piece of equipment I own – and I do own quite a few – including –
> “God forbid” – Akai, Sansui and Yamaha! I have seen some of your gear for
> sale and hope to be able to buy more from you, especially your customized
> turntables. ****
>
> ** **
>
> To all NakTalk members I would like to share with you my satisfaction with
> the care and excellent condition (along with continuous support…!) provided
> by you, Adrian, via your emails on NakTalks forum. I strongly urge that you
> stop being “*selfish*” (just kidding!) and show off some of your projects
> and to us all.****
>
> ** **
>
> Best regards,****
>
> ** **
>
> Rodrigo Krause****
>
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Sun Apr 15 01:18:49 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:18:49 -0300
Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi deck purchase
In-Reply-To: <CACeid-QmjRNcgcWFzViEhvMWsZVqGhs021TGnULijDxdUDGk6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E6AD@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Yes Fergus: Adrian does a great job at reburbishing and msot importantly upgrading turntables. I've already urged him to start a homepage (at least for us, Nak followers...) With his inventory.
Regards,

Rodrigo Krause

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De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Sat Apr 14 16:09:07 2012
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi deck purchase 


Customized turntables? Is there a website?



On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Rodrigo Krause <rkrause at multiplan.com.br> wrote:


	Hi Adrian,

	 

	I would like to state that the deck I bought from you is probably the best single piece of equipment I own – and I do own quite a few – including – “God forbid” – Akai, Sansui and Yamaha! I have seen some of your gear for sale and hope to be able to buy more from you, especially your customized turntables. 

	 

	To all NakTalk members I would like to share with you my satisfaction with the care and excellent condition (along with continuous support…!) provided by you, Adrian, via your emails on NakTalks forum. I strongly urge that you stop being “selfish” (just kidding!) and show off some of your projects and to us all.

	 

	Best regards,

	 

	Rodrigo Krause

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From adrian at mechner.net  Sun Apr 15 01:35:35 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:35:35 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi deck purchase
In-Reply-To: <CACeid-QmjRNcgcWFzViEhvMWsZVqGhs021TGnULijDxdUDGk6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40479C6D7@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
	<CACeid-QmjRNcgcWFzViEhvMWsZVqGhs021TGnULijDxdUDGk6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001801cd1a97$4aebe590$e0c3b0b0$@net>

No, there is not. No need to; my TT's are custom build or redesigned
projects of existing ones and if not made on order, they sell like "on the
spot" on my local CL or Ebay.

I hate to have this discussed here; I don't want to bother others with a non
related subject to Nak issues. If you're interested in taking a look into
part of my work, send me please a private email.

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Fergus Cullen
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:09 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi deck purchase

 

Customized turntables? Is there a website?

 

 

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Rodrigo Krause <rkrause at multiplan.com.br>
wrote:

Hi Adrian,

 

I would like to state that the deck I bought from you is probably the best
single piece of equipment I own - and I do own quite a few - including -
"God forbid" - Akai, Sansui and Yamaha! I have seen some of your gear for
sale and hope to be able to buy more from you, especially your customized
turntables. 

 

To all NakTalk members I would like to share with you my satisfaction with
the care and excellent condition (along with continuous support.!) provided
by you, Adrian, via your emails on NakTalks forum. I strongly urge that you
stop being "selfish" (just kidding!) and show off some of your projects and
to us all.

 

Best regards,

 

Rodrigo Krause


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e/ou
de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do
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respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a.
 
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outras
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Sun Apr 15 13:25:09 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 07:25:09 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx prices
Message-ID: <09kelc5e5xjsvotr76qvuhx4.1334489109045@email.android.com>

While I don't doubt Adrians deck is museum condition, but as long as we are talking no BS, (and I'm not trying to stir anything up or troll here), I'm sure the lack of any interest at $800, is simply the $800. Basically you have a wonderful condition deck with new belts that you matched alignment to with a refurbed deck. No other restoration or calibration or alignment? Seriously? I sure hope you do sell it for $800, because mine are worth over $1000 for sure then! 680 series decks can often be found in excellent shape, as long as the door release is solid, the first achilles heel.  But all are prone to orange cap disease, so I replaced all mine with Wima polypros. The deck has old high distortion cmos switches in the audio path (4051 or 4052, can't recall) which I replace with the modern low distortion HC series, with high quality sockets. AAAC alignment on this series is a bit tricky, and if the heads have been repositioned, must be redone. What about the idler tire and AAAC belts? The idler is the most often worn on the corners on this series because the idler arm is the older style flexible nylon. This causes the tire to ride forward  on the idler hub, and contact the reel table too close to the clutch. The tire is then not square to hub in 2 planes. (Right Cheryl?)  A solution is to heat and bend the arm back some so it plays closer to correct. Later decks, like the 682 and up, replaced the arm with a metal one. The best solution is to replace the center transport plate with a doner from a later deck, and swap all parts. The diameter of the newer and older pivots are not the same, so just the arms can't be swapped and Nak changed it from a nylon bushing to a 2 part brass bushing, pressed in place, also not removeable in the normal sense. 

These are the types of restoration I spend hours on, plus many others, for my own decks, and I doubt I could get $800 for my 680zxs, so equipped. Such are the economics of labor and demand, when for $700 you can get a superior in every way fully restored minty ZX-7! 

You know what you do on your customized turntables, and how little you actually get per hour, so why be surprised that a more educated Nak audience would be less than excited over your warmed over 680zx at that price?

Just my $0.02.




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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Sun Apr 15 13:32:38 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 07:32:38 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Standard transport idler tires
Message-ID: <resb47jlyix9jfcq9n5dbkcn.1334489558325@email.android.com>

Bagua_dao and Rainer, where did you get your tires from, if I may ask? Poor fitting tires are common, but sounds like yours have too small an ID, so the tire is stretched so it thins at the stretch point and is uneven. Measure with a caliper if possible and let us know the dimensions, ID, OD and width.




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From lenaw at flash.net  Sun Apr 15 16:52:55 2012
From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 07:52:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx prices
In-Reply-To: <09kelc5e5xjsvotr76qvuhx4.1334489109045@email.android.com>
References: <09kelc5e5xjsvotr76qvuhx4.1334489109045@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <1334501575.95201.YahooMailRC@web184512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I totally agree. A particular Nak to our Nak Collectors is just like a collector 
item; e.g. a car that you like and want to restore it to its original form so 
you can enjoy it. 99% of the time the money invested into it might not be 
re-covered ( of course there are exceptions but highly unlikely in Cassette deck 
here ) when one wants to sell it ( I am talking just about cassette decks ). I 
have decks that I spent a lot of money to get them fixed so I can listen to them 
as well as some decks that I just bought them (no matter what their electrical 
conditions are) because I want to own them and over 90% of the time I lost money 
on those that I decide not to keep. Here listen to a fully restored Nak may 
provide more enjoyment and relaxation than hoping to recover and/or profit from 
a sale later for me. Again, just my two cents. Also knowledgable service persons 
probably more rarer than a rare deck here.

Cheers,
Mike

 



________________________________
From: Perry.nak <perry.nak at comcast.net>
To: Naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sun, April 15, 2012 6:25:09 AM
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx prices

While I don't doubt Adrians deck is museum condition, but as long as we are 
talking no BS, (and I'm not trying to stir anything up or troll here), I'm sure 
the lack of any interest at $800, is simply the $800. Basically you have a 
wonderful condition deck with new belts that you matched alignment to with a 
refurbed deck. No other restoration or calibration or alignment? Seriously? I 
sure hope you do sell it for $800, because mine are worth over $1000 for sure 
then! 680 series decks can often be found in excellent shape, as long as the 
door release is solid, the first achilles heel.  But all are prone to orange cap 
disease, so I replaced all mine with Wima polypros. The deck has old high 
distortion cmos switches in the audio path (4051 or 4052, can't recall) which I 
replace with the modern low distortion HC series, with high quality sockets. 
AAAC alignment on this series is a bit tricky, and if the heads have been 
repositioned, must be redone. What about the idler tire and AA!
AC belts? The idler is the most often worn on the corners on this series because 
the idler arm is the older style flexible nylon. This causes the tire to ride 
forward  on the idler hub, and contact the reel table too close to the clutch. 
The tire is then not square to hub in 2 planes. (Right Cheryl?)  A solution is 
to heat and bend the arm back some so it plays closer to correct. Later decks, 
like the 682 and up, replaced the arm with a metal one. The best solution is to 
replace the center transport plate with a doner from a later deck, and swap all 
parts. The diameter of the newer and older pivots are not the same, so just the 
arms can't be swapped and Nak changed it from a nylon bushing to a 2 part brass 
bushing, pressed in place, also not removeable in the normal sense. 


These are the types of restoration I spend hours on, plus many others, for my 
own decks, and I doubt I could get $800 for my 680zxs, so equipped. Such are the 
economics of labor and demand, when for $700 you can get a superior in every way 
fully restored minty ZX-7! 


You know what you do on your customized turntables, and how little you actually 
get per hour, so why be surprised that a more educated Nak audience would be 
less than excited over your warmed over 680zx at that price?

Just my $0.02.




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From adrian at mechner.net  Sun Apr 15 16:01:12 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 07:01:12 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx prices
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I really don't see where you're going with this...
Did I mention any idler tire problems, orange cap problems or of any kind??? No, I believe I did not.
I also don't know what you mean with  "and how little you actually get per hour". I can read a lot of frustration behind your lines, not that I would care about that. For the record, I was offered very close to my asking by more than one person out of the same "more educated Nak audience" as you call it. The same audience who actually purchased my 660ZX for $500. I had not only one offer for the 660ZX at that price, however I decided to let Rodrigo have it. That he is more than happy, he stated that himself. Basically add a second speed and the monitor function to a 660 ZX and those who see value in that also are those who will go for $800.
Let me have my own opinion about your 1k+ value on the same deck: I would buy mine at the same price after you changed the original parts as described. A Nak sounds like a Nak ONLY with Nak original parts, I thought you knew that.
As far as the work performed on my unit (the one for sale), you'd better read the description again and again and again, just until you get to the point where your statement " No other restoration or calibration or alignment? Seriously?" makes no sense. Also let me point out that NOT each and every unit needs parts replacement no matter what. This sounds more like making the exception become the rule, which I seriously doubt. Trust me, there are Nakamichi units out there performing at their best with no parts replaced! Yes those are out there and surprisingly I even own one of them. So that is why I would not trade mines for yours. I hope you got it right this time.
All The best,
Adrian
P.S. I got PM's from those who are interested and I also entertain the offers. Please don't make a big deal out of this and please also don't replay on my deck in public. I kindly asked for private messages in the first place simply not to get here... And the educated audience did so with this single exception. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Perry.nak
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:25 AM
To: Naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx prices

While I don't doubt Adrians deck is museum condition, but as long as we are talking no BS, (and I'm not trying to stir anything up or troll here), I'm sure the lack of any interest at $800, is simply the $800. Basically you have a wonderful condition deck with new belts that you matched alignment to with a refurbed deck. No other restoration or calibration or alignment? Seriously? I sure hope you do sell it for $800, because mine are worth over $1000 for sure then! 680 series decks can often be found in excellent shape, as long as the door release is solid, the first achilles heel.  But all are prone to orange cap disease, so I replaced all mine with Wima polypros. The deck has old high distortion cmos switches in the audio path (4051 or 4052, can't recall) which I replace with the modern low distortion HC series, with high quality sockets. AAAC alignment on this series is a bit tricky, and if the heads have been repositioned, must be redone. What about the idler tire and AA!
 AC belts? The idler is the most often worn on the corners on this series because the idler arm is the older style flexible nylon. This causes the tire to ride forward  on the idler hub, and contact the reel table too close to the clutch. The tire is then not square to hub in 2 planes. (Right Cheryl?)  A solution is to heat and bend the arm back some so it plays closer to correct. Later decks, like the 682 and up, replaced the arm with a metal one. The best solution is to replace the center transport plate with a doner from a later deck, and swap all parts. The diameter of the newer and older pivots are not the same, so just the arms can't be swapped and Nak changed it from a nylon bushing to a 2 part brass bushing, pressed in place, also not removeable in the normal sense. 

These are the types of restoration I spend hours on, plus many others, for my own decks, and I doubt I could get $800 for my 680zxs, so equipped. Such are the economics of labor and demand, when for $700 you can get a superior in every way fully restored minty ZX-7! 

You know what you do on your customized turntables, and how little you actually get per hour, so why be surprised that a more educated Nak audience would be less than excited over your warmed over 680zx at that price?

Just my $0.02.




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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Apr 15 17:50:38 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:50:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx prices
In-Reply-To: <09kelc5e5xjsvotr76qvuhx4.1334489109045@email.android.com>
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Message-ID: <7191a78227e701d55f5d73f7e3b48142.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

It is just what anyone wants to pay for a deck.
I prefer to buy non-functioning decks and restore myself (if possible) or
have it done... but I also believe there are those that prefer to buy a
deck in this condition...

I've even had decks fully restored and at home they would not function..
also seen people buy broken decks for crazy money , big bucks and little
also... And then there is Adrian, if he sells for 800 i'm happy for him
and for the buyer. The first 680zx I bought was in a very bad state and I
got it for a reasonable price, but with all the money I put in it I think
800 would have been a good price to buy it for!

It's not like you buy a beer, you buy a Nak and for all there are those
that want to buy and don't.

Wouter

> While I don't doubt Adrians deck is museum condition, but as long as we
> are talking no BS, (and I'm not trying to stir anything up or troll here),
> I'm sure the lack of any interest at $800, is simply the $800. Basically
> you have a wonderful condition deck with new belts that you matched
> alignment to with a refurbed deck. No other restoration or calibration or
> alignment? Seriously? I sure hope you do sell it for $800, because mine
> are worth over $1000 for sure then! 680 series decks can often be found in
> excellent shape, as long as the door release is solid, the first achilles
> heel.  But all are prone to orange cap disease, so I replaced all mine
> with Wima polypros. The deck has old high distortion cmos switches in the
> audio path (4051 or 4052, can't recall) which I replace with the modern
> low distortion HC series, with high quality sockets. AAAC alignment on
> this series is a bit tricky, and if the heads have been repositioned, must
> be redone. What about the idler tire and AA!
>  AC belts? The idler is the most often worn on the corners on this series
> because the idler arm is the older style flexible nylon. This causes the
> tire to ride forward  on the idler hub, and contact the reel table too
> close to the clutch. The tire is then not square to hub in 2 planes.
> (Right Cheryl?)  A solution is to heat and bend the arm back some so it
> plays closer to correct. Later decks, like the 682 and up, replaced the
> arm with a metal one. The best solution is to replace the center
> transport plate with a doner from a later deck, and swap all parts. The
> diameter of the newer and older pivots are not the same, so just the arms
> can't be swapped and Nak changed it from a nylon bushing to a 2 part
> brass bushing, pressed in place, also not removeable in the normal sense.
>
> These are the types of restoration I spend hours on, plus many others, for
> my own decks, and I doubt I could get $800 for my 680zxs, so equipped.
> Such are the economics of labor and demand, when for $700 you can get a
> superior in every way fully restored minty ZX-7!
>
> You know what you do on your customized turntables, and how little you
> actually get per hour, so why be surprised that a more educated Nak
> audience would be less than excited over your warmed over 680zx at that
> price?
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my NOOK
>
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Sun Apr 15 18:52:30 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:52:30 -0300
Subject: Res: [naktalk] 680zx prices
In-Reply-To: <09kelc5e5xjsvotr76qvuhx4.1334489109045@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E6AE@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Hi Perry,
As ano economist I tend to agree on your perspective of "labor hours economics". But here we are talking "lack of market visibility AND emotional desire (excuse the redundancy!) For a well kept and "maintenance free" Nak. This "imbalance" produces the response you attribute to most Nak members not being interested in Adrians 680... I must say too that I already own 3 Naks and a host of other decks. What for? For pleasure. And after buying Adrians (amazingly great) 660, I bought an almost as amazing ZX7 for almost $100 (one hundred bucks) more... So all I'd like to say is that although your 2 cents make sense (!!), I still think that this particular 680 may be well worth the price. Now whether someone is willing to cough up the dow is a different story...
All I can say is that the Nak market goes beyond US boundaries and maybe $800 may not sound that expensive to some of us.
Wish a nice Sunday to all our forum members!
Rodrigo Krause

----- Mensagem original -----
De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com>
Para: Naktalk at naks.com <Naktalk at naks.com>
Enviada em: Sun Apr 15 08:25:09 2012
Assunto: [naktalk] 680zx prices

While I don't doubt Adrians deck is museum condition, but as long as we are talking no BS, (and I'm not trying to stir anything up or troll here), I'm sure the lack of any interest at $800, is simply the $800. Basically you have a wonderful condition deck with new belts that you matched alignment to with a refurbed deck. No other restoration or calibration or alignment? Seriously? I sure hope you do sell it for $800, because mine are worth over $1000 for sure then! 680 series decks can often be found in excellent shape, as long as the door release is solid, the first achilles heel.  But all are prone to orange cap disease, so I replaced all mine with Wima polypros. The deck has old high distortion cmos switches in the audio path (4051 or 4052, can't recall) which I replace with the modern low distortion HC series, with high quality sockets. AAAC alignment on this series is a bit tricky, and if the heads have been repositioned, must be redone. What about the idler tire and AA!
 AC belts? The idler is the most often worn on the corners on this series because the idler arm is the older style flexible nylon. This causes the tire to ride forward  on the idler hub, and contact the reel table too close to the clutch. The tire is then not square to hub in 2 planes. (Right Cheryl?)  A solution is to heat and bend the arm back some so it plays closer to correct. Later decks, like the 682 and up, replaced the arm with a metal one. The best solution is to replace the center transport plate with a doner from a later deck, and swap all parts. The diameter of the newer and older pivots are not the same, so just the arms can't be swapped and Nak changed it from a nylon bushing to a 2 part brass bushing, pressed in place, also not removeable in the normal sense. 

These are the types of restoration I spend hours on, plus many others, for my own decks, and I doubt I could get $800 for my 680zxs, so equipped. Such are the economics of labor and demand, when for $700 you can get a superior in every way fully restored minty ZX-7! 

You know what you do on your customized turntables, and how little you actually get per hour, so why be surprised that a more educated Nak audience would be less than excited over your warmed over 680zx at that price?

Just my $0.02.




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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Sun Apr 15 22:59:47 2012
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:59:47 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx prices
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Maybe I missed part of the conversation, was the deck calibrated with nak
alignment tapes? Was it mechanically aligned with the nak jigs? And last but
not least what were the tested results? W&F, distortion, freq response
etc...

Vic

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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Rodrigo Krause
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 10:53 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Res: [naktalk] 680zx prices

Hi Perry,
As ano economist I tend to agree on your perspective of "labor hours
economics". But here we are talking "lack of market visibility AND emotional
desire (excuse the redundancy!) For a well kept and "maintenance free" Nak.
This "imbalance" produces the response you attribute to most Nak members not
being interested in Adrians 680... I must say too that I already own 3 Naks
and a host of other decks. What for? For pleasure. And after buying Adrians
(amazingly great) 660, I bought an almost as amazing ZX7 for almost $100
(one hundred bucks) more... So all I'd like to say is that although your 2
cents make sense (!!), I still think that this particular 680 may be well
worth the price. Now whether someone is willing to cough up the dow is a
different story...
All I can say is that the Nak market goes beyond US boundaries and maybe
$800 may not sound that expensive to some of us.
Wish a nice Sunday to all our forum members!
Rodrigo Krause

----- Mensagem original -----
De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com>
Para: Naktalk at naks.com <Naktalk at naks.com> Enviada em: Sun Apr 15 08:25:09
2012
Assunto: [naktalk] 680zx prices

While I don't doubt Adrians deck is museum condition, but as long as we are
talking no BS, (and I'm not trying to stir anything up or troll here), I'm
sure the lack of any interest at $800, is simply the $800. Basically you
have a wonderful condition deck with new belts that you matched alignment to
with a refurbed deck. No other restoration or calibration or alignment?
Seriously? I sure hope you do sell it for $800, because mine are worth over
$1000 for sure then! 680 series decks can often be found in excellent shape,
as long as the door release is solid, the first achilles heel.  But all are
prone to orange cap disease, so I replaced all mine with Wima polypros. The
deck has old high distortion cmos switches in the audio path (4051 or 4052,
can't recall) which I replace with the modern low distortion HC series, with
high quality sockets. AAAC alignment on this series is a bit tricky, and if
the heads have been repositioned, must be redone. What about the idler tire
and AA!
 AC belts? The idler is the most often worn on the corners on this series
because the idler arm is the older style flexible nylon. This causes the
tire to ride forward  on the idler hub, and contact the reel table too close
to the clutch. The tire is then not square to hub in 2 planes. (Right
Cheryl?)  A solution is to heat and bend the arm back some so it plays
closer to correct. Later decks, like the 682 and up, replaced the arm with a
metal one. The best solution is to replace the center transport plate with a
doner from a later deck, and swap all parts. The diameter of the newer and
older pivots are not the same, so just the arms can't be swapped and Nak
changed it from a nylon bushing to a 2 part brass bushing, pressed in place,
also not removeable in the normal sense. 

These are the types of restoration I spend hours on, plus many others, for
my own decks, and I doubt I could get $800 for my 680zxs, so equipped. Such
are the economics of labor and demand, when for $700 you can get a superior
in every way fully restored minty ZX-7! 

You know what you do on your customized turntables, and how little you
actually get per hour, so why be surprised that a more educated Nak audience
would be less than excited over your warmed over 680zx at that price?

Just my $0.02.




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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 16 01:16:59 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:16:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Res: [naktalk] 680zx prices
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I thought I'd chime in here too.

For me the 680ZX is a superb sounding cassette deck which has an added benefit of half speed recordings at splendid 
sound quality. It sounds sweeter than even the 682ZX for me!

A few years ago( 2007 or so) I bought one on ebay for close to$75.00 and the deck had its rollers frozen and acted 
as a one capstan deck with terrible wow and flutter. It was shipped to Tom Brucker of Nashville, KY and came back in a month supposedly fixed.
About a week or two later, it had so much wow/flutter issues I could not listen to any tape. ( One capstan- supply-was still not making contact)Frustration did set in.

So, off it went to ESL for a complete restoration, no expenses spared. The bill was @$2400+ for the job which entailed very 
detailed replacement and refurbishment of everything imaginable. On return I could not believe the quality of sound of that machine.
It is that close to my ZXL decks too. 

Would anyone pay this kind of money for a 680ZX that I did? Absolutely not. But I was determined to hear the best Nak sound possible and 
on this deck. For me this is a keeper and it still beats the heck out of most decks even at half speed. At the time I had it refurbished, I was willing to pay and never did regret my choice!

What I am trying to say is that there is a price someone will pay for Adrian's deck. The right person has to come and want the deck in that given time
and it will be sold! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

Good luck Adrian.

Ram.









________________________________
 From: Rodrigo Krause <rkrause at multiplan.com.br>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 12:52 PM
Subject: Res: [naktalk] 680zx prices
 
Hi Perry,
As ano economist I tend to agree on your perspective of "labor hours economics". But here we are talking "lack of market visibility AND emotional desire (excuse the redundancy!) For a well kept and "maintenance free" Nak. This "imbalance" produces the response you attribute to most Nak members not being interested in Adrians 680... I must say too that I already own 3 Naks and a host of other decks. What for? For pleasure. And after buying Adrians (amazingly great) 660, I bought an almost as amazing ZX7 for almost $100 (one hundred bucks) more... So all I'd like to say is that although your 2 cents make sense (!!), I still think that this particular 680 may be well worth the price. Now whether someone is willing to cough up the dow is a different story...
All I can say is that the Nak market goes beyond US boundaries and maybe $800 may not sound that expensive to some of us.
Wish a nice Sunday to all our forum members!
Rodrigo Krause

----- Mensagem original -----
De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com>
Para: Naktalk at naks.com <Naktalk at naks.com>
Enviada em: Sun Apr 15 08:25:09 2012
Assunto: [naktalk] 680zx prices

While I don't doubt Adrians deck is museum condition, but as long as we are talking no BS, (and I'm not trying to stir anything up or troll here), I'm sure the lack of any interest at $800, is simply the $800. Basically you have a wonderful condition deck with new belts that you matched alignment to with a refurbed deck. No other restoration or calibration or alignment? Seriously? I sure hope you do sell it for $800, because mine are worth over $1000 for sure then! 680 series decks can often be found in excellent shape, as long as the door release is solid, the first achilles heel.  But all are prone to orange cap disease, so I replaced all mine with Wima polypros. The deck has old high distortion cmos switches in the audio path (4051 or 4052, can't recall) which I replace with the modern low distortion HC series, with high quality sockets. AAAC alignment on this series is a bit tricky, and if the heads have been repositioned, must be redone. What about
 the idler tire and AA!
AC belts? The idler is the most often worn on the corners on this series because the idler arm is the older style flexible nylon. This causes the tire to ride forward  on the idler hub, and contact the reel table too close to the clutch. The tire is then not square to hub in 2 planes. (Right Cheryl?)  A solution is to heat and bend the arm back some so it plays closer to correct. Later decks, like the 682 and up, replaced the arm with a metal one. The best solution is to replace the center transport plate with a doner from a later deck, and swap all parts. The diameter of the newer and older pivots are not the same, so just the arms can't be swapped and Nak changed it from a nylon bushing to a 2 part brass bushing, pressed in place, also not removeable in the normal sense. 

These are the types of restoration I spend hours on, plus many others, for my own decks, and I doubt I could get $800 for my 680zxs, so equipped. Such are the economics of labor and demand, when for $700 you can get a superior in every way fully restored minty ZX-7! 

You know what you do on your customized turntables, and how little you actually get per hour, so why be surprised that a more educated Nak audience would be less than excited over your warmed over 680zx at that price?

Just my $0.02.




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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Mon Apr 16 15:29:05 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:29:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx
Message-ID: <r9ebxsfb7nc0wlpttnfvo6lb.1334582945371@email.android.com>

Again, no criticism was inferred at all. You stated no one wanted the deck, so you were going to sell it via your other routes. You stating so on this forum, the way you did, said to me, "I thought people here would know that a deck like this is worth $800, I really thought someone here would appreciate this offer"..there was no indication you had plenty of offers, etc, or why make your post? ANYONE that works on vintage audio gear of any kind, and I do, knows that you are working more for the love and fun and challenge of it, not to make money. If you make a decent profit on your turntables, and can sell them all day as fast as you can post them, then you are unique in the vintage audio world, and I salute you! 

Like many here, I own many Naks for the fun of it, last count something like 22 different models, and 35 total, so I am no stranger to them. Many here know I work on them for members of different forums, and own all the original tapes and gauges, plus I am a degreed engineer working in the instrumentation field for over 30 years. I do not work on any Nak, just certain models that I am intimate with. I fully understand why ESL must charge what they do, and stay in business. They are fully aware of every shortcoming I listed, I am sure, and remedy them same or similar to what I listed. If you can afford their prices and love the ultimate version of whatever model it is, they are THE best there is, and if I could, I would use them every time.  Alas, my 401k still needs shoring up for my retirement and my wife would not think it a prudent investment! Many here may agree that the Sound of Nakamichi depends on retaining original components, but I am not one of them. A better switch with lower distortion, resistance, and capacitance is simply a better switch and can only improve the sound. Modern caps have it all over the 30 year old electrolytics in these decks. I belive it is the design and execution that defines the performance. If you believe that any 680zx will not have orange cap problems down the road, you are welcome to that opinion, but history and experience state otherwise. You can be sure that the ESL restored deck has them replaced, though I know not if they are Wimas, of course. 

My roundabout point to the post was that it appeared to me, and perhaps I did miss something, and if so I apologize, that you had a 680zx sent to Willy, restored, and have decided to keep it and then took your other 680zx and audibly aligned it to the restored deck using the decks meters. I thought you mentioned that no work had been done to it except belt changes.  Your posts appeared to me that you were surprised no one here would want that deck at $800.  That's it. My point was that many of us that work on these decks often, taking great pains to match them as close to design using real Nak gauges and tapes, and know the foibles and weaknesses of these decks, and what it takes to make them the best they can be, were not surprised at all. I did not imply in any way that you said there were any problems with your deck, I only pointed out that there are many possible issues, many not known to the typical user, that ate often taken care of by a knowlegable restorer. I know fully well that other markets pay higher prices than the USA, for Naks, as we, being the luxury consumer  consumption capital, have a huge number of units bought, that were seldom used, and always appearing for sale. I just never would have thought $800usd, was a possible price for an unrestored 680zx, unless it was a sealed NIB unit.

Again, I am not judging, criticizing, or in any way belittling you or anyones sale.  But I thought this forum was about educating, learning, and appreciating the specialness of Nak decks, and while I seldom post, I read Naktalk every day, so I though to impart some of what I know. FWIW, I have 3 680zx dexks, and a 660zx, and know full well the warm, quintessential Nak sound they are known for, and while specs do not mean everything, they are a great starting point. With out at least some hard measurements, it is only one mans ears that are otherwise defining its performance. My own best 680zx, surprised me with a full 20-20kHz at -20dB at half speed, with TypeIV, with comparable THD to dull speed. A testimony to some excellent design work and execution. And we all know they have the coolest meters out there!




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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 16 15:55:52 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 06:55:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 110, Issue 10
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In dual capstan drives, tape to head pressure is created by difference in speed between the 

takeup capstan (a tad faster) and the supply capstan (a tad slower). 


Two forces act on the supply capstan: one is the pull by the tape, created by the takeup capstan 

(this provides the force causing tape to head pressure). The other is the drive provided by the 

supply capstan through the belt. If the belt slips, the supply capstan no longer resists the tape 

pull and this reduces the tape pressure. 

IOW: the answer to "wouldn't any slippage cause the supply side to slow down" is no. It would 

actually speed up. 


-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:25 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 110, Issue 10
> 
>Hey guys, I've heard this too but I don't understand how a slipping capstan 
>belt can decrease tape contact. If the motor is on the take-up capstan and 
>the supply capstan is driven by the belt then wouldn't any slippage cause 
>the supply side to slow down and increase tension between the capstans ???
>
>Cheers,
>Rainer
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "David Thompson" <davidt124 at internode.on.net>
>To: "Naktalk" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:58 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 110, Issue 10
>
>
>> Thanks Kannan. Your cause makes sense. The ZX-9 seems to be finicky in
>> this area.
>> A thorough clean of the capstans has not improved it so I am going to
>> source a new capstan belt.
>> David
>>
>> On 14/04/12 8:09 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com" <naktalk-request at naks.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Message: 2
>>>Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:17:50 -0700 (PDT)
>>>From: kannan srinivasaraghavan <kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: ZX-9 fade
>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
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>>>Surely this is due to extremely small capstan differential speed causing
>>>poor head to tape contact
>>>This happens on ZX 9 as I had noticed similar problem on one ZX 9!
>>>The Capstan Belt needs change as well as check the problem after a new
>>>belt change. If it (the problem) continues increase the dia of the take
>>>up capstan flywheel by fixing a cellophone tape which would increase the
>>>differential speed between the capstans
>>>
>>>this would increase the tape tension - subsequently improve the tape to
>>>head contact - which is the culprit in your case
>>>Kannan
>>>
>>
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From fergus.cullen at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 17:08:29 2012
From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:08:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Nak mics again
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Hi all

I'm looking for some Nak mics again. This time I'm looking for a CM-1000
and a DM-1000.
If anyone comes across any I'd much appreciate it you let me know.

All the best,

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From luis at peromarta.org  Mon Apr 16 17:46:33 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:46:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Nak mics again
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Hey, Fergus, did you lost the in a pub after a few pints ? Looking forward to meeting you again !

;)


El 16/04/2012, a las 17:08, Fergus Cullen escribió:

> Hi all
> 
> I'm looking for some Nak mics again. This time I'm looking for a CM-1000 and a DM-1000.
> If anyone comes across any I'd much appreciate it you let me know.
> 
> All the best,
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Mon Apr 16 18:04:59 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:04:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] Sorry for the LOOONG sentences
Message-ID: <1939764101.1477968.1334592299039.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Sorry for the LOOOONG sentences in my last posts. 
I did not know the Nook did that in it's email, as I only just got it 
at Christmas, and rarely use it for email. 
Does anyone know why with some emails you have to hit "Enter" (carriage return) 
to force a new line, and others, you don't? 




Also, once again, SOOO many members are leaving attachments like 3 layers 
deep, which makes reading on a mobile device, which I'm sure many here do, 
so tedious. Please delete previous content if you can! 
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From adrian at mechner.net  Mon Apr 16 18:36:39 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:36:39 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx
In-Reply-To: <r9ebxsfb7nc0wlpttnfvo6lb.1334582945371@email.android.com>
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I would like to put things strait here and kind of close this topic which will take us nowhere.
As a young retired engineer who sold his company about 7 years back, I have a lot and I literally mean a lot of time to go after my hobbies and pleasures. Last summer I toured the country from Seattle to Orlando on my motorcycle, this year it’s going to be Alaska. I decided I can’t simply do nothing and I got into Real Estate by the time it was still worth it. At the present moment I am a licensed Real Estate Broker in the State Of Washington. There was again plenty of time due to the market but also because I have no reason to push things hard. Three years ago my main hobby was to build race bicycles; as soon as I finished the most amazing full raceble bike with a full 240lb rating at only 13,10lb and like $7k invested, there was no more in that direction which could be accomplished and I had to find another hobby. Since vinyl is coming back more than ever, I started playing with turntables. Two years and hundreds of units later, I can tell for sure with no BS that I am able to perform “magic” with these things. As of today I do only challenging projects, I have a few components of my own which passed prototype and testing phase and are now at the point where I figure out a marketing strategy to increase volume  besides  the existing agreement with a highly regarded local retailer who offers my parts as an luxury upgrade kit. I still have to decide for myself If I WANT to go big, if I have the nerves and energy for that or if I am better on keeping this at a lower profile.
The following link shows the unit I sold yesterday for $900 locally and I had to take it off Ebay at my buyers request and the higher price he offered was to secure the deal:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/280863593949?ssPageName=STRK:MEUSX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1560.l2649

The next link will show the prototype of a Rega which no longer has the motor on the plinth, but on the silent base (this is nothing new) however this silent base performs better than the one offered in GB by a company, made of acrylic composite. Even so that material is a very good one in terms of building (or better said “not building” up) noise, the results I achieved using the cork barrier and the fact that the TT itself can be finished the same way as the silent base + moving the On/Off switch from the plinth, appear to be desired improvements. This prototype was tested professionally against P5 at first and against P9 at the mentioned retailers service and even with the lower grade RB250 –rewired, it performed better then both stock ones. More to it, the platter seen in the Rega link is my own design, it replicates the genuine size, but the increased weight allow for a better speed control at 4,0 lb, as well as the material itself allows amazing acoustic results. 
http://s1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/20021001/Custom%20Rega%20with%20silent%20plate/

The Nak 680ZX I decided to let go because the odds that it will be used in my home are close to zero, looks great in terms of cosmetic appearance and performs with no differences in the same way a fully restored identical unit does. Since I have both units I can tell that for sure. Tapes of any type recorded in the restored one show the same reading on the other one and vice versa, in all modes. What else needs to prove a mint unit? I really don’t care about readings on testing equipment since the value of such stays in the joy a trained ear can appreciate. The buyer is free to have it “supertested” at any professional place in the world, however if any adjustment will be performed, that will only be a minor matter in terms of cash. On the other hand, even a fully restored unit might go wrong (die) at any point in time, for different matters then the replacement of belts, bulbs or caps. I do hope at least someone will agree on that. I also follow the market and read feedback from people who bought for top dollar this kind of decks and frustration couldn’t be bigger for some buyers.  For me, having access to really nice sources, this deck sounds simply amazing and I do believe its worth more then I’m asking. It will hit the open market and it won’t be sold for less, no matter at what point in time. I know for sure that it won’t be a disappointment of any kind for the buyer; it’s not a machine which needs any kind of attention as it is right now. Like any other 30+ years old deck, everybody here owns, this one too can die anytime or NOT. As of today it’s mint.
Adrian

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Perry.nak
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:29 AM
To: Naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx

Again, no criticism was inferred at all. You stated no one wanted the deck, so you were going to sell it via your other routes. You stating so on this forum, the way you did, said to me, "I thought people here would know that a deck like this is worth $800, I really thought someone here would appreciate this offer"..there was no indication you had plenty of offers, etc, or why make your post? ANYONE that works on vintage audio gear of any kind, and I do, knows that you are working more for the love and fun and challenge of it, not to make money. If you make a decent profit on your turntables, and can sell them all day as fast as you can post them, then you are unique in the vintage audio world, and I salute you! 

Like many here, I own many Naks for the fun of it, last count something like 22 different models, and 35 total, so I am no stranger to them. Many here know I work on them for members of different forums, and own all the original tapes and gauges, plus I am a degreed engineer working in the instrumentation field for over 30 years. I do not work on any Nak, just certain models that I am intimate with. I fully understand why ESL must charge what they do, and stay in business. They are fully aware of every shortcoming I listed, I am sure, and remedy them same or similar to what I listed. If you can afford their prices and love the ultimate version of whatever model it is, they are THE best there is, and if I could, I would use them every time.  Alas, my 401k still needs shoring up for my retirement and my wife would not think it a prudent investment! Many here may agree that the Sound of Nakamichi depends on retaining original components, but I am not one of them. A better switc!
 h with lower distortion, resistance, and capacitance is simply a better switch and can only improve the sound. Modern caps have it all over the 30 year old electrolytics in these decks. I belive it is the design and execution that defines the performance. If you believe that any 680zx will not have orange cap problems down the road, you are welcome to that opinion, but history and experience state otherwise. You can be sure that the ESL restored deck has them replaced, though I know not if they are Wimas, of course. 

My roundabout point to the post was that it appeared to me, and perhaps I did miss something, and if so I apologize, that you had a 680zx sent to Willy, restored, and have decided to keep it and then took your other 680zx and audibly aligned it to the restored deck using the decks meters. I thought you mentioned that no work had been done to it except belt changes.  Your posts appeared to me that you were surprised no one here would want that deck at $800.  That's it. My point was that many of us that work on these decks often, taking great pains to match them as close to design using real Nak gauges and tapes, and know the foibles and weaknesses of these decks, and what it takes to make them the best they can be, were not surprised at all. I did not imply in any way that you said there were any problems with your deck, I only pointed out that there are many possible issues, many not known to the typical user, that ate often taken care of by a knowlegable restorer. I know fu!
 lly well that other markets pay higher prices than the USA, for Naks, as we, being the luxury consumer  consumption capital, have a huge number of units bought, that were seldom used, and always appearing for sale. I just never would have thought $800usd, was a possible price for an unrestored 680zx, unless it was a sealed NIB unit.

Again, I am not judging, criticizing, or in any way belittling you or anyones sale.  But I thought this forum was about educating, learning, and appreciating the specialness of Nak decks, and while I seldom post, I read Naktalk every day, so I though to impart some of what I know. FWIW, I have 3 680zx dexks, and a 660zx, and know full well the warm, quintessential Nak sound they are known for, and while specs do not mean everything, they are a great starting point. With out at least some hard measurements, it is only one mans ears that are otherwise defining its performance. My own best 680zx, surprised me with a full 20-20kHz at -20dB at half speed, with TypeIV, with comparable THD to dull speed. A testimony to some excellent design work and execution. And we all know they have the coolest meters out there!




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From fergus.cullen at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 19:39:43 2012
From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:39:43 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Nak mics again
In-Reply-To: <CBF79750-0564-488D-BD79-C590181D234D@peromarta.org>
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Hey Luis

I wouldn't be that stupid. I traded them for a bottle of stout!

Ah no, I've been using CM-700s and 300s and so I've gotten curious about
these other two.
I know most of you aren't too interested in live recording but I just
thought it was worth a shot.

Hope to see you again Luis!

F


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Luis Peromarta <luis at peromarta.org> wrote:

> Hey, Fergus, did you lost the in a pub after a few pints ? Looking forward
> to meeting you again !
>
> ;)
>
>
> El 16/04/2012, a las 17:08, Fergus Cullen escribió:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > I'm looking for some Nak mics again. This time I'm looking for a CM-1000
> and a DM-1000.
> > If anyone comes across any I'd much appreciate it you let me know.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Fergus
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 16 22:19:43 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:19:43 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Sorry for the LOOONG sentences
In-Reply-To: <1939764101.1477968.1334592299039.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
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Hi Perry,
 
Does your Nook allow you to set margins? If so, you might try setting
margins.
 
I think what you are getting is unformatted text which will use the whole
width of the page and then generate a "Soft Return" or "Line Feed" at the
end of a line. In your case, with no margins, the line gets really long like
this one I just typed.
 
When you use the "Enter" key, you get a "Hard Return" which is a forced
"Carriage Return/Line Feed". 
 
A "Hard Return" will stay in your document and will create strange
formatting in UNformatted text.
 
When I am forced to type in unformatted text I prefer to treat each sentence
as a paragraph by hitting "Enter" twice after the period.
 
It makes it easier to read and is what I did here except for the long
sentence.
 
Aloha,
Cheryl

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of perry.nak at comcast.net
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:05 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Sorry for the LOOONG sentences


Sorry for the LOOOONG sentences in my last posts. 
I did not know the Nook did that in it's email, as I only just got it
at Christmas, and rarely use it for email.
Does anyone know why with some emails you have to hit "Enter" (carriage
return)
to force a new line, and others, you don't?


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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Mon Apr 16 23:14:22 2012
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:14:22 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx
In-Reply-To: <002101cd1bef$19590310$4c0b0930$@net>
References: <r9ebxsfb7nc0wlpttnfvo6lb.1334582945371@email.android.com>
	<002101cd1bef$19590310$4c0b0930$@net>
Message-ID: <000601cd1c15$e501e510$af05af30$@math.utah.edu>

A perfect example of a bad eBay seller:(


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of 
Adrian Mechner
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:37 AM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680zx

I would like to put things strait here and kind of close this topic which will 
take us nowhere.
As a young retired engineer who sold his company about 7 years back, I have a 
lot and I literally mean a lot of time to go after my hobbies and pleasures. 
Last summer I toured the country from Seattle to Orlando on my motorcycle, 
this year it's going to be Alaska. I decided I can't simply do nothing and I 
got into Real Estate by the time it was still worth it. At the present moment 
I am a licensed Real Estate Broker in the State Of Washington. There was again 
plenty of time due to the market but also because I have no reason to push 
things hard. Three years ago my main hobby was to build race bicycles; as soon 
as I finished the most amazing full raceble bike with a full 240lb rating at 
only 13,10lb and like $7k invested, there was no more in that direction which 
could be accomplished and I had to find another hobby. Since vinyl is coming 
back more than ever, I started playing with turntables. Two years and hundreds 
of units later, I can tell for sure with no BS that I am!
  able to perform "magic" with these things. As of today I do only challenging 
projects, I have a few components of my own which passed prototype and testing 
phase and are now at the point where I figure out a marketing strategy to 
increase volume  besides  the existing agreement with a highly regarded local 
retailer who offers my parts as an luxury upgrade kit. I still have to decide 
for myself If I WANT to go big, if I have the nerves and energy for that or if 
I am better on keeping this at a lower profile.
The following link shows the unit I sold yesterday for $900 locally and I had 
to take it off Ebay at my buyers request and the higher price he offered was 
to secure the deal:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/280863593949?ssPageName=STRK:MEUSX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1560.l2649

The next link will show the prototype of a Rega which no longer has the motor 
on the plinth, but on the silent base (this is nothing new) however this 
silent base performs better than the one offered in GB by a company, made of 
acrylic composite. Even so that material is a very good one in terms of 
building (or better said "not building" up) noise, the results I achieved 
using the cork barrier and the fact that the TT itself can be finished the 
same way as the silent base + moving the On/Off switch from the plinth, appear 
to be desired improvements. This prototype was tested professionally against 
P5 at first and against P9 at the mentioned retailers service and even with 
the lower grade RB250 -rewired, it performed better then both stock ones. More 
to it, the platter seen in the Rega link is my own design, it replicates the 
genuine size, but the increased weight allow for a better speed control at 4,0 
lb, as well as the material itself allows amazing acoustic results.
http://s1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/20021001/Custom%20Rega%20with%20silent%20plate/

The Nak 680ZX I decided to let go because the odds that it will be used in my 
home are close to zero, looks great in terms of cosmetic appearance and 
performs with no differences in the same way a fully restored identical unit 
does. Since I have both units I can tell that for sure. Tapes of any type 
recorded in the restored one show the same reading on the other one and vice 
versa, in all modes. What else needs to prove a mint unit? I really don't care 
about readings on testing equipment since the value of such stays in the joy a 
trained ear can appreciate. The buyer is free to have it "supertested" at any 
professional place in the world, however if any adjustment will be performed, 
that will only be a minor matter in terms of cash. On the other hand, even a 
fully restored unit might go wrong (die) at any point in time, for different 
matters then the replacement of belts, bulbs or caps. I do hope at least 
someone will agree on that. I also follow the market and read fe!
 edback from people who bought for top dollar this kind of decks and 
frustration couldn't be bigger for some buyers.  For me, having access to 
really nice sources, this deck sounds simply amazing and I do believe its 
worth more then I'm asking. It will hit the open market and it won't be sold 
for less, no matter at what point in time. I know for sure that it won't be a 
disappointment of any kind for the buyer; it's not a machine which needs any 
kind of attention as it is right now. Like any other 30+ years old deck, 
everybody here owns, this one too can die anytime or NOT. As of today it's 
mint.
Adrian

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of 
Perry.nak
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:29 AM
To: Naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx

Again, no criticism was inferred at all. You stated no one wanted the deck, so 
you were going to sell it via your other routes. You stating so on this forum, 
the way you did, said to me, "I thought people here would know that a deck 
like this is worth $800, I really thought someone here would appreciate this 
offer"..there was no indication you had plenty of offers, etc, or why make 
your post? ANYONE that works on vintage audio gear of any kind, and I do, 
knows that you are working more for the love and fun and challenge of it, not 
to make money. If you make a decent profit on your turntables, and can sell 
them all day as fast as you can post them, then you are unique in the vintage 
audio world, and I salute you!

Like many here, I own many Naks for the fun of it, last count something like 
22 different models, and 35 total, so I am no stranger to them. Many here know 
I work on them for members of different forums, and own all the original tapes 
and gauges, plus I am a degreed engineer working in the instrumentation field 
for over 30 years. I do not work on any Nak, just certain models that I am 
intimate with. I fully understand why ESL must charge what they do, and stay 
in business. They are fully aware of every shortcoming I listed, I am sure, 
and remedy them same or similar to what I listed. If you can afford their 
prices and love the ultimate version of whatever model it is, they are THE 
best there is, and if I could, I would use them every time.  Alas, my 401k 
still needs shoring up for my retirement and my wife would not think it a 
prudent investment! Many here may agree that the Sound of Nakamichi depends on 
retaining original components, but I am not one of them. A better switc!
 h with lower distortion, resistance, and capacitance is simply a better 
switch and can only improve the sound. Modern caps have it all over the 30 
year old electrolytics in these decks. I belive it is the design and execution 
that defines the performance. If you believe that any 680zx will not have 
orange cap problems down the road, you are welcome to that opinion, but 
history and experience state otherwise. You can be sure that the ESL restored 
deck has them replaced, though I know not if they are Wimas, of course.

My roundabout point to the post was that it appeared to me, and perhaps I did 
miss something, and if so I apologize, that you had a 680zx sent to Willy, 
restored, and have decided to keep it and then took your other 680zx and 
audibly aligned it to the restored deck using the decks meters. I thought you 
mentioned that no work had been done to it except belt changes.  Your posts 
appeared to me that you were surprised no one here would want that deck at 
$800.  That's it. My point was that many of us that work on these decks often, 
taking great pains to match them as close to design using real Nak gauges and 
tapes, and know the foibles and weaknesses of these decks, and what it takes 
to make them the best they can be, were not surprised at all. I did not imply 
in any way that you said there were any problems with your deck, I only 
pointed out that there are many possible issues, many not known to the typical 
user, that ate often taken care of by a knowlegable restorer. I know fu!
 lly well that other markets pay higher prices than the USA, for Naks, as we, 
being the luxury consumer  consumption capital, have a huge number of units 
bought, that were seldom used, and always appearing for sale. I just never 
would have thought $800usd, was a possible price for an unrestored 680zx, 
unless it was a sealed NIB unit.

Again, I am not judging, criticizing, or in any way belittling you or anyones 
sale.  But I thought this forum was about educating, learning, and 
appreciating the specialness of Nak decks, and while I seldom post, I read 
Naktalk every day, so I though to impart some of what I know. FWIW, I have 3 
680zx dexks, and a 660zx, and know full well the warm, quintessential Nak 
sound they are known for, and while specs do not mean everything, they are a 
great starting point. With out at least some hard measurements, it is only one 
mans ears that are otherwise defining its performance. My own best 680zx, 
surprised me with a full 20-20kHz at -20dB at half speed, with TypeIV, with 
comparable THD to dull speed. A testimony to some excellent design work and 
execution. And we all know they have the coolest meters out there!




Sent from my NOOK

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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 16 23:26:27 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:26:27 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx
In-Reply-To: <09kelc5e5xjsvotr76qvuhx4.1334489109045@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP31715396400E18A24E295AE863E0@phx.gbl>


 
Yeah, wow I sure remember that. I tried all kinds of little tricks to get
the tire to align properly to the reel. In the end, the only thing to do was
heat the idler arm and bend it to the correct angle, and then replace the
tire. When it has been tracking in the wrong plane it causes the tire to
wear like a vehicle tire that has incorrect toe/in and/or caster/camber.
Fixing it properly made in big difference in transport noise -- instead of
sounding like a train going down the tracks it is now very quiet.

Aloha,
Cheryl

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Perry.nak
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 1:25 AM
To: Naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx prices

 AC belts? The idler is the most often worn on the corners on this series
because the idler arm is the older style flexible nylon. This causes the
tire to ride forward  on the idler hub, and contact the reel table too close
to the clutch. The tire is then not square to hub in 2 planes. (Right
Cheryl?)  A solution is to heat and bend the arm back some so it plays
closer to correct. Later decks, like the 682 and up, replaced the arm with a
metal one. The best solution is to replace the center transport plate with a
doner from a later deck, and swap all parts. The diameter of the newer and
older pivots are not the same, so just the arms can't be swapped and Nak
changed it from a nylon bushing to a 2 part brass bushing, pressed in place,
also not removeable in the normal sense. 




From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 08:57:07 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:57:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL CPU
Message-ID: <2CAAFE36-A366-40C7-B4AA-955B368B83E5@gmail.com>

Dear Bala,

......and all electronic in-genies at this forum

I restore 4psc  1000 ZXL, to keep two of them.

Now I start the ZXL brought by my self  in  Japan.

Nakamichi was closing down   on 2. April in Japan. Nakamichi did  
still work in a small place in  south  Japan.
  Two times  the send rare parts to Austria.

A bigger company, owner oft Sansui and Nakamichi and many more small  
companies did quit now.

I did wright  them an E-mail. Ask them for ZX-parts, And ask how  and  
If the repair shop goes on in Japan.

Now I started ZXL/3  needing the next idea.

Recording  does not work. the Deck  is just recording very creaking  
if record Level is set to very high.

Erase  the tape does work.

All PP caps are new, and  I did check  them with a cap meeter ones.

Record Signal does go into the CPU-B.

Record Signal does  go to the record head connector. Listen able by a  
signal tracer. But  my- be without Bias.

Voltage on IC  101/201 is less than in a working ZXL.
IC 101/201 are new, with no change. IC 301 on CPU/B is okay.

This Deck looks like It has got a long time of no use.

Some  small CE caps did not look fine. So far I replace them on main  
PCB. with NICHICON and ELNA.

replacing  complied REc. and Eq PCB does not help.
Playback  sound and alignment  have been very good anyway.

Thank you very much.

Gerhard







From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 17 14:11:21 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:11:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 110, Issue 10
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No, it would speed up the takeup pull, increasing tape to head pressure. Personally 

though, I didn't like the idea, as the takeup capstan actually controls the tape speed 

and this ruse could easily increase wow/flutter.

-- Ron




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> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
>To: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> 
>Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:10 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 110, Issue 10
> 
>
> 
>Ok now I get it !  Thanks Ron :)  but I'm still 
confused about what Kannan said about increasing the diameter of the take up 
capstan with tape, wouldn't that speed up the supply capstan ???
> 
>Rainer   
>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Ron 
>>To: Rainer & Joy-Ell ; Talk about Nakamichi  Cassette Decks 
>>Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 7:55 
AM
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk  Digest, Vol 110, Issue 10
>>
>>
>>In dual capstan drives, tape to head pressure is created by  difference in speed between the 
>>
>>takeup capstan (a tad faster) and the supply capstan (a tad  slower). 
>>
>>
>>
>>Two forces act on the supply capstan: one is the pull by the tape,  created by the takeup capstan 
>>
>>(this provides the force causing tape to head pressure). The other  is the drive provided by the 
>>
>>supply capstan through the belt. If the belt slips, the supply  capstan no longer resists the tape 
>>
>>pull and this reduces the tape pressure. 
>>
>>
>>IOW: the answer to "wouldn't any slippage cause the supply  side to slow down" is no. It would 
>>
>>actually speed up. 
>>
>>
>>
>>-- Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell  <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks  <naktalk at naks.com> 
>>>Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:25  AM
>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk]  Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 110, Issue 10
>>>
>>>Hey guys, I've 
    heard this too but I don't understand how a slipping capstan 
>>>belt can 
    decrease tape contact. If the motor is on the take-up capstan and 
>>>the 
    supply capstan is driven by the belt then wouldn't any slippage cause 
>>>the supply side to slow down and increase tension between the capstans 
    ???
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Rainer
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: 
    "David Thompson" <davidt124 at internode.on.net>
>>>To: 
    "Naktalk" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>Sent: 
    Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:58 AM
>>>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, 
    Vol 110, Issue 10
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks Kannan. Your cause makes sense. The 
    ZX-9 seems to be finicky in
>>>> this area.
>>>> A thorough clean of 
    the capstans has not improved it so I am going to
>>>> source a new 
    capstan belt.
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> On 14/04/12 8:09 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com"  <naktalk-request at naks.com>
>>>> 
    wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Message: 2
>>>>>Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 
    10:17:50 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>From: kannan srinivasaraghavan <kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com>
>>>>>Subject: 
    Re: [naktalk] Re: ZX-9 fade
>>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette 
    Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
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>>>>>Surely this is due 
    to extremely small capstan differential speed causing
>>>>>poor head 
    to tape contact
>>>>>This happens on ZX 9 as I had noticed similar 
    problem on one ZX 9!
>>>>>The Capstan Belt needs change as well as 
    check the problem after a new
>>>>>belt change. If it (the problem) 
    continues increase the dia of the take
>>>>>up capstan flywheel by 
    fixing a cellophone tape which would increase the
>>>>>differential 
    speed between the capstans
>>>>>
>>>>>this would increase the 
    tape tension - subsequently improve the tape to
>>>>>head contact - 
    which is the culprit in your 
    case
>>>>>Kannan
>>>>>
>>>>
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Tue Apr 17 13:55:16 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:55:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Message formatting
Message-ID: <3e8rhfww20j7cy6kfagibmd5.1334663716668@email.android.com>

Yes, Cheryl, you are quite right, but unfortunately the
 Nook has no formatting options at all, similar to my Blackberry.
 It is just easy to use, instant on, and has a great battery life, so I use it.
There is not even a spell check in email, which is poor IMHO. 
Also, on the Nook, whenever you hit "Return" it assumes a 
New sentence and capitalizes automatically.
Once I hack it and install a proper Android OS, maybe I will have better luck.
I guess the design of the board here does not recognize all 
style soft returns?
Until then, I'll just keep hitting "Return"!



From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 17 22:17:39 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:17:39 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Message formatting
In-Reply-To: <3e8rhfww20j7cy6kfagibmd5.1334663716668@email.android.com>
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You'd think that in this day and age they could make it a little bit
friendlier. 

I can't remember what it was that I was using a while back that caused me a
ton of frustration. 
But whenever the program did a soft-return word-wrap it would capitalize the
first word of the next sentence.
Every time I would try to change the letter to lower case it would change it
back to upper case.
It makes you want to strangle the programmer. :-) ARGH!

Yeah, lots of hard-returns is the easiest solution.

Aloha,
Cheryl



-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Perry.nak
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:55 AM
To: Naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Message formatting

Yes, Cheryl, you are quite right, but unfortunately the  Nook has no
formatting options at all, similar to my Blackberry.
 It is just easy to use, instant on, and has a great battery life, so I use
it.
There is not even a spell check in email, which is poor IMHO. 
Also, on the Nook, whenever you hit "Return" it assumes a New sentence and
capitalizes automatically.
Once I hack it and install a proper Android OS, maybe I will have better
luck.
I guess the design of the board here does not recognize all style soft
returns?
Until then, I'll just keep hitting "Return"!

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From davidfrow at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 18 01:01:43 2012
From: davidfrow at hotmail.com (David Frow)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 00:01:43 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Buttons for CR-7
Message-ID: <SNT140-W3123152110DF2156965DDEBD3F0@phx.gbl>


Hi,
 
Does anyone have fader up and pause keys for a CR-5/7?  I have tried B&W but they don't have any.
 
Thanks, David. 		 	   		  
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From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz  Mon Apr 23 15:11:46 2012
From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 01:11:46 +1200
Subject: [naktalk] N680ZX restoration
Message-ID: <741A10A37C6343B2AD0FE05DACB7BAEC@emachinef0bb72>

Hello everyone,

N680ZX deck view from inside. Completed restoration project at 
http://www.gennlab.com/n680zx.html
3 pages

Cheers,

Gennady Lyskin

G e n n L a b
http://www.gennlab.com
info at gennlab.com
Tel: +64 21 238 3056



From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Mon Apr 23 17:57:30 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:57:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx
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Hi Guys,

Quote "The best solution is to replace the center transport plate with a
doner from a later deck, and swap all parts."

I fully agree with this option. Recently i did a complete overhaul from a
earlier N582 and did this replacements. 
It is more difficult (i think) to bend that arm with hot air then to replace
that plate. It wasn't Naks best concept to make that idler arm from plastic.

Norman


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
Cheryl Kaupp
Verzonden: maandag 16 april 2012 23:26
Aan: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] 680zx


 
Yeah, wow I sure remember that. I tried all kinds of little tricks to get
the tire to align properly to the reel. In the end, the only thing to do was
heat the idler arm and bend it to the correct angle, and then replace the
tire. When it has been tracking in the wrong plane it causes the tire to
wear like a vehicle tire that has incorrect toe/in and/or caster/camber.
Fixing it properly made in big difference in transport noise -- instead of
sounding like a train going down the tracks it is now very quiet.

Aloha,
Cheryl

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Perry.nak
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 1:25 AM
To: Naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx prices

 AC belts? The idler is the most often worn on the corners on this series
because the idler arm is the older style flexible nylon. This causes the
tire to ride forward  on the idler hub, and contact the reel table too close
to the clutch. The tire is then not square to hub in 2 planes. (Right
Cheryl?)  A solution is to heat and bend the arm back some so it plays
closer to correct. Later decks, like the 682 and up, replaced the arm with a
metal one. The best solution is to replace the center transport plate with a
doner from a later deck, and swap all parts. The diameter of the newer and
older pivots are not the same, so just the arms can't be swapped and Nak
changed it from a nylon bushing to a 2 part brass bushing, pressed in place,
also not removeable in the normal sense. 


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From vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 25 05:39:49 2012
From: vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com (Vijay Bagaria)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:39:49 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [naktalk] cr 5
Message-ID: <1335325189.41555.YahooMailNeo@web193301.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>

hi,
 i am vijay bagaria from mumbai, india.
i am using nakamichi cr 5 cassette deck since long.
recently my left channel stoped working. pl. advice me on this regard to resolve this.
thanks,
vijay bagaria
9322289495
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From vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 25 05:53:20 2012
From: vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com (Vijay Bagaria)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:53:20 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: cr 5
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hi ron and bala and all great guyes,
 i am vijay bagaria from mumbai, india.
i am using nakamichi cr 5 cassette deck since long.
recently my left channel stoped working. i am getting both
 channel level playing in led display at playback time . this fault happened second time. 1st time it got resolved on its own by opening and clasing the deck. this has not worked out this time.
 pl. advice me on this regard to resolve this.
thanks,
vijay bagaria
9322289495



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 From: Vijay Bagaria <vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com>
To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 9:09 AM
Subject: cr 5
 

hi,
 i am vijay bagaria from mumbai, india.
i am using nakamichi cr 5 cassette deck since long.
recently my left channel stoped working. pl. advice me on this regard to resolve this.
thanks,
vijay bagaria
9322289495
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From adrian at mechner.net  Wed Apr 25 10:49:02 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 01:49:02 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: cr 5
In-Reply-To: <1335326000.14120.YahooMailNeo@web193302.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
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Vijay,

 

My guess is you simply moved a wire which goes to the play head when you
cleaned the deck and it fell into having contact for some time.

Please check that the wires are properly soldered to the head and get back
with the status.

 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Vijay Bagaria
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:53 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Re: cr 5

 

hi ron and bala and all great guyes,

 i am vijay bagaria from mumbai, india.

i am using nakamichi cr 5 cassette deck since long.

recently my left channel stoped working. i am getting both

 channel level playing in led display at playback time . this fault happened
second time. 1st time it got resolved on its own by opening and clasing the
deck. this has not worked out this time.

 pl. advice me on this regard to resolve this.

thanks,

vijay bagaria

9322289495

 

 

  _____  

From: Vijay Bagaria <vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com>
To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 9:09 AM
Subject: cr 5

 

hi,

 i am vijay bagaria from mumbai, india.

i am using nakamichi cr 5 cassette deck since long.

recently my left channel stoped working. pl. advice me on this regard to
resolve this.

thanks,

vijay bagaria

9322289495

 

 

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From kslwinter at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 14:01:13 2012
From: kslwinter at gmail.com (Winter Family)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:01:13 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: cr 5
References: <1335325189.41555.YahooMailNeo@web193301.mail.sg3.yahoo.com><1335326000.14120.YahooMailNeo@web193302.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
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Hi-

I agree it may be a loose connection, but if the meters are indicating both channels are working, then it can't be a head wire.
Going for the obvious, did you swap output cables, left for right, to see what happens?

Scott
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adrian Mechner 
  To: 'Vijay Bagaria' ; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:49 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: cr 5


  Vijay,

   

  My guess is you simply moved a wire which goes to the play head when you cleaned the deck and it fell into having contact for some time.

  Please check that the wires are properly soldered to the head and get back with the status.

   

  Adrian

   

  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Vijay Bagaria
  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:53 PM
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: cr 5

   

  hi ron and bala and all great guyes,

   i am vijay bagaria from mumbai, india.

  i am using nakamichi cr 5 cassette deck since long.

  recently my left channel stoped working. i am getting both

   channel level playing in led display at playback time . this fault happened second time. 1st time it got resolved on its own by opening and clasing the deck. this has not worked out this time.

   pl. advice me on this regard to resolve this.

  thanks,

  vijay bagaria

  9322289495

   

   


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  From: Vijay Bagaria <vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com>
  To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 9:09 AM
  Subject: cr 5

   

  hi,

   i am vijay bagaria from mumbai, india.

  i am using nakamichi cr 5 cassette deck since long.

  recently my left channel stoped working. pl. advice me on this regard to resolve this.

  thanks,

  vijay bagaria

  9322289495

   

   



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From stekast at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 25 21:41:24 2012
From: stekast at yahoo.com (stelios kastanakis)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:41:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] TEAC MTT-150 vs Nakamichi 400 hz alignment tape
Message-ID: <1335382884.38753.YahooMailNeo@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi to all

Recently I found aTEAC MTT-150 400 hz 200nWb/m Dolby Level test tape.
What is the difference between this tape and the Nakamichi 400 hz level tape.
If for example I use this tape for a Dragon alignment.With Nakamichi tape I messure 
350 mV (TP101-201 during playback level calibration), 1 V on  line out and 0 db on decks meters.
With TEAC I notice a diference on the meters on the deck about +1 db.and on the level out.
According TEAC this cassette tape is made to the specifications of dolby laboratories of 
correctly operation with dolby NR on all decks..

Question a) Does Nakamichi tape made according Dolby laboratories ,  or nakamichi has its own specs.? 
b)What mV should I messured on deck (TP101-201) with Teac tape and how does this effect the perfomance of a tape recorded
with dolby B or C
c)Is there a diffence between 200nWb/m of Teac and 200nWb/m of nakamichi?

Thank you in advance for your thoughts.

Regards

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From rajivdallas at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 14:27:37 2012
From: rajivdallas at gmail.com (rajivdallas at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:27:37 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: cr 5
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Vijay

Get on HiFiVision forum which is for audiophiles based in India...they have a cassette deck section where people ask where to take their decks to get them fixed...I know people from Mumbai have posted before and esp asking where to take their Naks (this is assuming you cannot fix it yourself by troubleshooting)

Regards
Rajiv
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Thu Apr 26 13:00:41 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:00:41 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] MTT-150 vs Nak
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This has been discussed a lot on Tapeheads. Many of us have both tapes, and some of us  also Abex 
& Sony 400 Hz 200 nWb/m Dolby tapes and none match each other. Nak has the lowest signal, Abex the highest. 

The consensus is that each manufacturer had a different interpretation of the standard. After all, while we like to think a standard is a 

standard, the cassette world is full of examples where EQ time constants, dolby chip execution, even actual speed is all different from what is expected. It is also why Dolby C is so hard to get perfect 
between decks of different manufacturers. 

IIRC when I use the Teac tape, I am around 380mV.  
I have gotten plenty of decks that "worked fine" where the levels were up to 425mV. 

Interestingly, I've never gotten a deck where it was under 350. 

My Nak Cal tapes are all Type IV while the others are Type I, so I know it is not a signal loss over time on the Naks. 

I have 2, and both match each other exactly.


Perry Esposito - From my phone



From vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 26 14:24:03 2012
From: vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com (Vijay Bagaria)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:24:03 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 110, Issue 17
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hi scott,
i need to know how i can reach near output section of cr 5.
i swap output cable and output at loudspeaker shuffles, with one channel dead.
any body who can show me video on this regard ?

vijay bagaria.



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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:01:13 -0400
From: "Winter Family" <kslwinter at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: cr 5
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
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Hi-

I agree it may be a loose connection, but if the meters are indicating both channels are working, then it can't be a head wire.
Going for the obvious, did you swap output cables, left for right, to see what happens?

Scott
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adrian Mechner 
  To: 'Vijay Bagaria' ; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:49 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: cr 5


  Vijay,

  

  My guess is you simply moved a wire which goes to the play head when you cleaned the deck and it fell into having contact for some time.

  Please check that the wires are properly soldered to the head and get back with the status.

  

  Adrian

  

  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Vijay Bagaria
  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:53 PM
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: cr 5

  

  hi ron and bala and all great guyes,

   i am vijay bagaria from mumbai, india.

  i am using nakamichi cr 5 cassette deck since long.

  recently my left channel stoped working. i am getting both

   channel level playing in led display at playback time . this fault happened second time. 1st time it got resolved on its own by opening and clasing the deck. this has not worked out this time.

   pl. advice me on this regard to resolve this.

  thanks,

  vijay bagaria

  9322289495

  

  


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  To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 9:09 AM
  Subject: cr 5

  

  hi,

   i am vijay bagaria from mumbai, india.

  i am using nakamichi cr 5 cassette deck since long.

  recently my left channel stoped working. pl. advice me on this regard to resolve this.

  thanks,

  vijay bagaria

  9322289495

  

  



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From: stelios kastanakis <stekast at yahoo.com>
Subject: [naktalk] TEAC MTT-150 vs Nakamichi 400 hz alignment tape
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Hi to all

Recently I found aTEAC MTT-150 400 hz 200nWb/m Dolby Level test tape.
What is the difference between this tape and the Nakamichi 400 hz level tape.
If for example I use this tape for a Dragon alignment.With Nakamichi tape I messure 
350 mV (TP101-201 during playback level calibration), 1 V on  line out and 0 db on decks meters.
With TEAC I notice a diference on the meters on the deck about +1 db.and on the level out.
According TEAC this cassette tape is made to the specifications of dolby laboratories of 
correctly operation with dolby NR on all decks..

Question a) Does Nakamichi tape made according Dolby laboratories ,  or nakamichi has its own specs.? 
b)What mV should I messured on deck (TP101-201) with Teac tape and how does this effect the perfomance of a tape recorded
with dolby B or C
c)Is there a diffence between 200nWb/m of Teac and 200nWb/m of nakamichi?

Thank you in advance for your thoughts.

Regards

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From stekast at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 27 12:17:37 2012
From: stekast at yahoo.com (stelios kastanakis)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:17:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: MTT-150 vs Nak
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Thanks Perry for your reply
That was what I want to read .
I will also read the Tapeheads forum about this issue.
 
 
Regards
 
Stelios
 
 

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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:00:41 +0000
From: perry.nak at comcast.net
Subject: [naktalk] MTT-150 vs Nak
To: naktalk at naks.com
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This has been discussed a lot on Tapeheads. Many of us have both tapes, and some of us  also Abex 
& Sony 400 Hz 200 nWb/m Dolby tapes and none match each other. Nak has the lowest signal, Abex the highest. 

The consensus is that each manufacturer had a different interpretation of the standard. After all, while we like to think a standard is a 

standard, the cassette world is full of examples where EQ time constants, dolby chip execution, even actual speed is all different from what is expected. It is also why Dolby C is so hard to get perfect 
between decks of different manufacturers. 

IIRC when I use the Teac tape, I am around 380mV.  
I have gotten plenty of decks that "worked fine" where the levels were up to 425mV. 

Interestingly, I've never gotten a deck where it was under 350. 

My Nak Cal tapes are all Type IV while the others are Type I, so I know it is not a signal loss over time on the Naks. 

I have 2, and both match each other exactly.


Perry Esposito - From my phone


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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:41:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: stelios kastanakis <stekast at yahoo.com>
Subject: [naktalk] TEAC MTT-150 vs Nakamichi 400 hz alignment tape
To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi to all

Recently I found aTEAC MTT-150 400 hz 200nWb/m Dolby Level test tape.
What is the difference between this tape and the Nakamichi 400 hz level tape.
If for example I use this tape for a Dragon alignment.With Nakamichi tape I messure 
350 mV (TP101-201 during playback level calibration), 1 V on  line out and 0 db on decks meters.
With TEAC I notice a diference on the meters on the deck about +1 db.and on the level out.
According TEAC this cassette tape is made to the specifications of dolby laboratories of 
correctly operation with dolby NR on all decks..

Question a) Does Nakamichi tape made according Dolby laboratories ,  or nakamichi has its own specs.? 
b)What mV should I messured on deck (TP101-201) with Teac tape and how does this effect the perfomance of a tape recorded
with dolby B or C
c)Is there a diffence between 200nWb/m of Teac and 200nWb/m of nakamichi?

Thank you in advance for your thoughts.

Regards

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From: kkh8 at juno.com (kkh8 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:31:49 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] Please advise
Message-ID: <20120427.093149.3227.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com>

Hello Sirs,
I acquired a RX202 recently from eBay. All mechanical works fine and nice after an hour's clean and lub. The reverse performed flawlessly. However there seems a problem when I did recording. After pressing the 'Record' button,it lights up together with the pause light also. The red light of master fade 'Up' also lit. When I pressed 'Play' to start the recording, the level LEDs responded to the incoming signal for a short time and started to fade down. Red light of 'Down' of master fade light up.  End up nothing recorded on the tape. I have to keep pressing the 'Up' of the master fade to keep the signal not fading down. When I take off my finger from the 'Up' side,signal started to fade down again. I have tried to press the 'Up' side for two or four second after power up but every time I do the recording,the RX 202 acted this way. Is that my procedure wrong or something wrong in the circuity? Please advise.
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From vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 26 15:26:19 2012
From: vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com (Vijay Bagaria)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:26:19 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 110, Issue 17
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Message-ID: <1335446779.49596.YahooMailNeo@web193303.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>

hi all,
i have one more symptom for cr 5.
i am using cr 5 since long. my left channel is not working on loudspeaker as well as on headphone. 
pl. help resolve this fault.

regards, 
vijay bagaria.


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:01:13 -0400
From: "Winter Family" <kslwinter at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: cr 5
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
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Hi-

I agree it may be a loose connection, but if the meters are indicating both channels are working, then it can't be a head wire.
Going for the obvious, did you swap output cables, left for right, to see what happens?

Scott
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adrian Mechner 
  To: 'Vijay Bagaria' ; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:49 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: cr 5


  Vijay,

  

  My guess is you simply moved a wire which goes to the play head when you cleaned the deck and it fell into having contact for some time.

  Please check that the wires are properly soldered to the head and get back with the status.

  

  Adrian

  

  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Vijay Bagaria
  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:53 PM
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: cr 5

  

  hi ron and bala and all great guyes,

   i am vijay bagaria from mumbai, india.

  i am using nakamichi cr 5 cassette deck since long.

  recently my left channel stoped working. i am getting both

   channel level playing in led display at playback time . this fault happened second time. 1st time it got resolved on its own by opening and clasing the deck. this has not worked out this time.

   pl. advice me on this regard to resolve this.

  thanks,

  vijay bagaria

  9322289495

  

  


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  To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 9:09 AM
  Subject: cr 5

  

  hi,

   i am vijay bagaria from mumbai, india.

  i am using nakamichi cr 5 cassette deck since long.

  recently my left channel stoped working. pl. advice me on this regard to resolve this.

  thanks,

  vijay bagaria

  9322289495

  

  



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From: stelios kastanakis <stekast at yahoo.com>
Subject: [naktalk] TEAC MTT-150 vs Nakamichi 400 hz alignment tape
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Hi to all

Recently I found aTEAC MTT-150 400 hz 200nWb/m Dolby Level test tape.
What is the difference between this tape and the Nakamichi 400 hz level tape.
If for example I use this tape for a Dragon alignment.With Nakamichi tape I messure 
350 mV (TP101-201 during playback level calibration), 1 V on  line out and 0 db on decks meters.
With TEAC I notice a diference on the meters on the deck about +1 db.and on the level out.
According TEAC this cassette tape is made to the specifications of dolby laboratories of 
correctly operation with dolby NR on all decks..

Question a) Does Nakamichi tape made according Dolby laboratories ,  or nakamichi has its own specs.? 
b)What mV should I messured on deck (TP101-201) with Teac tape and how does this effect the perfomance of a tape recorded
with dolby B or C
c)Is there a diffence between 200nWb/m of Teac and 200nWb/m of nakamichi?

Thank you in advance for your thoughts.

Regards

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From vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 27 04:55:00 2012
From: vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com (Vijay Bagaria)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:55:00 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 110, Issue 17
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hi scott,
i am also getting one channel dead at headphone out of cr5.
meters for both channel are working fine.
pl. think on this and advice.
also looking for service manual of cr 5.


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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:01:13 -0400
From: "Winter Family" <kslwinter at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: cr 5
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
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Hi-

I agree it may be a loose connection, but if the meters are indicating both channels are working, then it can't be a head wire.
Going for the obvious, did you swap output cables, left for right, to see what happens?

Scott
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adrian Mechner 
  To: 'Vijay Bagaria' ; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:49 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: cr 5


  Vijay,

  

  My guess is you simply moved a wire which goes to the play head when you cleaned the deck and it fell into having contact for some time.

  Please check that the wires are properly soldered to the head and get back with the status.

  

  Adrian

  

  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Vijay Bagaria
  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:53 PM
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: cr 5

  

  hi ron and bala and all great guyes,

   i am vijay bagaria from mumbai, india.

  i am using nakamichi cr 5 cassette deck since long.

  recently my left channel stoped working. i am getting both

   channel level playing in led display at playback time . this fault happened second time. 1st time it got resolved on its own by opening and clasing the deck. this has not worked out this time.

   pl. advice me on this regard to resolve this.

  thanks,

  vijay bagaria

  9322289495

  

  


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  From: Vijay Bagaria <vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com>
  To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 9:09 AM
  Subject: cr 5

  

  hi,

   i am vijay bagaria from mumbai, india.

  i am using nakamichi cr 5 cassette deck since long.

  recently my left channel stoped working. pl. advice me on this regard to resolve this.

  thanks,

  vijay bagaria

  9322289495

  

  



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From: stelios kastanakis <stekast at yahoo.com>
Subject: [naktalk] TEAC MTT-150 vs Nakamichi 400 hz alignment tape
To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi to all

Recently I found aTEAC MTT-150 400 hz 200nWb/m Dolby Level test tape.
What is the difference between this tape and the Nakamichi 400 hz level tape.
If for example I use this tape for a Dragon alignment.With Nakamichi tape I messure 
350 mV (TP101-201 during playback level calibration), 1 V on  line out and 0 db on decks meters.
With TEAC I notice a diference on the meters on the deck about +1 db.and on the level out.
According TEAC this cassette tape is made to the specifications of dolby laboratories of 
correctly operation with dolby NR on all decks..

Question a) Does Nakamichi tape made according Dolby laboratories ,  or nakamichi has its own specs.? 
b)What mV should I messured on deck (TP101-201) with Teac tape and how does this effect the perfomance of a tape recorded
with dolby B or C
c)Is there a diffence between 200nWb/m of Teac and 200nWb/m of nakamichi?

Thank you in advance for your thoughts.

Regards

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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Fri Apr 27 20:02:49 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:02:49 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 110, Issue 17
References: <201204261018.q3QA8Rqt019424@zxe.naks.com>
	<1335446779.49596.YahooMailNeo@web193303.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001cd249f$f65f67a0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

Vijay, you need to get yourself a circuit diagram and trace through the problem. You already have it norrowed down a bit if you have no output on one channel (and headphones) and both meters still showing signal. You do have one channel working so that you can compare readings with the working one. (maybe check output pot) or maybe you should look for a service shop ??   

Rainer   
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Vijay Bagaria 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:26 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 110, Issue 17


  hi all,
  i have one more symptom for cr 5..
  i am using cr 5 since long. my left channel is not working on loudspeaker as well as on headphone. 
  pl. help resolve this fault.


  regards, 
  vijay bagaria.



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From adrian at mechner.net  Fri Apr 27 20:24:12 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:24:12 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Please advise
In-Reply-To: <20120427.093149.3227.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20120427.093149.3227.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <000e01cd24a2$f21644e0$d642cea0$@net>

This is why some decks sell for a multiple of the ones with "minor"
problems.

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of kkh8 at juno.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:32 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Please advise

 

Hello Sirs,

I acquired a RX202 recently from eBay. All mechanical works fine and nice
after an hour's clean and lub. The reverse performed flawlessly. However
there seems a problem when I did recording. After pressing the 'Record'
button,it lights up together with the pause light also. The red light of
master fade 'Up' also lit. When I pressed 'Play' to start the recording, the
level LEDs responded to the incoming signal for a short time and started to
fade down. Red light of 'Down' of master fade light up.  End up nothing
recorded on the tape. I have to keep pressing the 'Up' of the master fade to
keep the signal not fading down. When I take off my finger from the 'Up'
side,signal started to fade down again. I have tried to press the 'Up' side
for two or four second after power up but every time I do the recording,the
RX 202 acted this way. Is that my procedure wrong or something wrong in the
circuity? Please advise.

Regards,  Tony.



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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Fri Apr 27 20:46:37 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:46:37 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Please advise
In-Reply-To: <20120427.093149.3227.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20120427.093149.3227.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <CAM9V8MfP7AzfhQPbcTRAOfj=aB0UL3kDgxAvsFcTUpG3LqrWkQ@mail.gmail.com>

It sounds like the tac switch which activates the "down" setting is stuck
on.  See if there's a mechanical cause, then remove that dip switch or the
wire which it contacts to verify that the problem goes away.

Willy

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:31 PM, kkh8 at juno.com <kkh8 at juno.com> wrote:

> Hello Sirs,
>
> I acquired a RX202 recently from eBay. All mechanical works fine and nice
> after an hour's clean and lub. The reverse performed flawlessly. However
> there seems a problem when I did recording. After pressing the 'Record'
> button,it lights up together with the pause light also. The red light of
> master fade 'Up' also lit. When I pressed 'Play' to start the recording,
> the level LEDs responded to the incoming signal for a short time and
> started to fade down. Red light of 'Down' of master fade light up.  End up
> nothing recorded on the tape. I have to keep pressing the 'Up' of the
> master fade to keep the signal not fading down. When I take off my finger
> from the 'Up' side,signal started to fade down again. I have tried to press
> the 'Up' side for two or four second after power up but every time I do the
> recording,the RX 202 acted this way. Is that my procedure wrong or
> something wrong in the circuity? Please advise.
>
> Regards,  Tony.
>
>
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From jeruff at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 28 00:03:07 2012
From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:03:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Please advise
In-Reply-To: <000e01cd24a2$f21644e0$d642cea0$@net>
Message-ID: <1335564187.34418.YahooMailClassic@web83704.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Really?  I thought this forum was just as much for getting help with your deck?

--- On Fri, 4/27/12, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Please advise
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, April 27, 2012, 2:24 PM

This is why some decks sell for a multiple of the ones with “minor” problems.Adrian  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kkh8 at juno.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:32 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Please advise  Hello Sirs,I acquired a RX202 recently from eBay. All mechanical works fine and nice after an hour's clean and lub. The reverse performed flawlessly. However there seems a problem when I did recording. After pressing the 'Record' button,it lights up together with the pause light also. The red light of master fade 'Up' also lit. When I pressed 'Play' to start the recording, the level LEDs responded to the incoming signal for a short time and started to fade down. Red light of 'Down' of master fade light up.  End up nothing recorded on the tape. I have to keep pressing the 'Up' of the master fade to keep the signal not fading down. When I take off my finger from the 'Up' side,signal started to fade down again. I have tried to press the 'Up' side for two or four second after power up but every time I do the recording,the RX 202 acted this way. Is that my procedure wrong or something wrong in the circuity? Please
 advise.Regards,  Tony.

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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Sat Apr 28 14:22:44 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:22:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Please advise RX-202
Message-ID: <8gofdmd7veqodef1frgj52d5.1335615764419@email.android.com>

To answer the OP, you are trying to record correctly, and if hitting fade up brings it back, but then it fades down again, I doubt its the physical switch, since Fade UP  is lit until he records. I assume also, since you said everything is good on it that it plays just fine, so again, not the switch. IIRC, the fade circuit is pretty simple, with cross ties between the button switch and fader components, but fairly clear on the schematic. The SM is available on naks.com/wiki, and probably an easy fix, but unless you have some electronics repair experience, sounds like a job for a professional.

This is not one of those "oh, it's always this" kind of issues.




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From jmtooley at verizon.net  Sun Apr 29 20:53:33 2012
From: jmtooley at verizon.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:53:33 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] ReVox B 215 For Sale OT
Message-ID: <0B3F387552944FBB9066C3C9F5C3A01F@JohnPC>

OFF TOPIC - One of my ReVox B 215's for sale on eBay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160791898974?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_500wt_1413

John T.
Delaware 






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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Wed Aug  1 06:47:10 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:47:10 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Repair of left channel of Nakamichi 620
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP329214830A7A7FD6F538BE086D90@phx.gbl>
References: <CAJnyWQO=XVTabSbd4UZzqrCLHwCuYERRJsGNZbnm=9+KTd+Ljw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAAqwSUboRZ1GVsKrDK8hA2XpjH-5xQrYPFN-HQirihCdYedY8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP329214830A7A7FD6F538BE086D90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000001cd6fa0$b64be4d0$22e3ae70$@nl>

Hi Jeroen,

 

You can contact me offlist.

Maybe we can look together to your amp.

 

Regards Norman

 

(n.van.wijnen at gmail.com)

 

Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
Cheryl Kaupp
Verzonden: vrijdag 20 juli 2012 0:25
Aan: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] Repair of left channel of Nakamichi 620

 

When I lost the right channel on my 581 it turned out to be a capacitor in
the Dolby circuit.

 

Aloha,

Cheryl

 

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Brucker
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:47 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair of left channel of Nakamichi 620

The 620 may have had the speaker relay modification added, which would make
the relay contacts one likely cause. If you open the case the speaker relay
is the only one, and it is mounted on a slender board. Examine the wiring
between the amp boards and the output terminal.  If yours is stock, check
for fuses. If the fuses are ok, look for a poor solder connection.

 

tom

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Jeroen Visser <visser.wj at gmail.com> wrote:

To any NakTalk readers in the Netherlands, or familiar with repairing
Nakamichi 620s,

 

 

Last week suddenly the left channel of my Nakamichi 620 stopped working.

I have switched the cables from my pre-amplifier (Luxman 5C50) from left to
right to ensure it's not the pre-amp which is not working.

Also switched the speaker cables/speakers from left to right to make sure
it's not the speaker which is not working anymore.

When I switch on the Nak, which I normally don't do since it's always
switched on, BOTH LEDs (green/red) sometimes illuminate, also the left one
although that channel doesn't produce any sound anymore.

 

What could be the cause of this, is the following:

- since some time switching on the pre-amp (which I do switch on/off all the
time) produces a loud sound in the speakers

- my solution for this is: "attenuate" switch on "signal off", then switch
on or off the pre-amp

- unfortunately my wife had not completely understood or remembered the
sequence, since after the left channel has died, she mentioned that the
speakers regularly gave a loud sound in the speakers ...

- clearly I should have explained that better (until a few months ago this
was no issue, but since then I have connected my TV to my pre-amp for sound
as well ... so since then she's also switching on/off the equipment)

 

My question:

- could I fix this myself, if yes how?

- does anyone know a reliable company/person to repair this (being Dutch it
should be afforable too)

 

I'm open for any suggestions

 

+++++++

Text in Dutch:

 

Sinds vorige week heeft het linkerkanaal van mijn Nak 620 de geest gegeven.
Heb kabels vanaf mijn voorversterker omgedraaid om uit te sluiten dat het de
voorversterker is, ook luidsprekerkabels en luidsprekers omgewisseld om ook
dat uit te sluiten.
Als ik de Nak 620 aanzet, wat eigenlijk nooit gebeurt omdat die altijd
aanstaat, zie ik de 2 leds (groen/rood) links op de Nak soms oplichten, ook
de linker led doet dat nog ondanks dat er geen geluid meer uitkomt, ik weet
niet of dat wellicht helpt voor de diagnose. 
 
Wat wellicht de oorzaak is, is het volgende:
- sinds enige tijd veroorzaakt het aan- en uitzetten van de voorversterker
(die ik wel steeds aan/uit deed/doe) een knal in de luidsprekers
- mijn oplossing daarvoor was: "attenuate" schakelaar op stand "signal off",
dan voorversterker aan- of uitzetten 
- helaas had mijn vrouw dat niet helemaal begrepen, nadat het linkerkanaal
de geest had gegeven, zei ze dat de versterker regelmatig een knal gaf bij
aanzetten ...
- dat had ik dus duidelijker uit moeten leggen (tot enige maanden geleden
had ik hier helemaal geen last van, maar ik ben het geluid van mijn TV ook
via audio apparatuur gaan leiden .... sindsdien doet zij apparatuur ook
regelmatig aan/uit)

 

Mijn vragen:

- kan ik dit zelf repareren, zo ja hoe?

- weet iemand een adres (bedrijf/persoon) om dit te repareren?

 

Ik hoor graag van jullie.

 


Met vriendelijke groet/With kind regards,

Jeroen Visser


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From mikemaxcel at gmail.com  Wed Aug  1 08:13:57 2012
From: mikemaxcel at gmail.com (Mikemaxcel)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:13:57 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL_1000ZXL enhanced Recording PCB & Nak 700ZXL
 enhanced Mother PCB
Message-ID: <CAE8BBeFbvCaRDOffjRchYN4qv5T3szsV8U0Mi1MBb3e_jPEUvw@mail.gmail.com>

As for the 1st cloning of the playback PCB project is successful with
quality that exceeding commercial standard to boast and  the next cloning
project  would be  Nak 700ZXL_1000ZXL enhanced Recording PCB and 700ZXL
enhanced Mother PCB with the same material, the same qualities and this
time adding both sides with printed components ID.

Please reply to show your interest and also indicating  quantities needed.

Your involvement would help the project to be realized at reasonable cost.




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From alpha at iinet.net.au  Wed Aug  1 14:11:29 2012
From: alpha at iinet.net.au (Nigel Day)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:11:29 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL_1000ZXL enhanced Recording PCB & Nak 700ZXL
	enhanced Mother PCB
In-Reply-To: <CAE8BBeFbvCaRDOffjRchYN4qv5T3szsV8U0Mi1MBb3e_jPEUvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8BBeFbvCaRDOffjRchYN4qv5T3szsV8U0Mi1MBb3e_jPEUvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJrMuoo8aN5LnBp6yRZ/a5nCgAAAEAAAAL013hDxyO9EvbyyiMLr0AcBAAAAAA==@iinet.net.au>

Hi Mike
I would be very interested in being involved in the project.  I have both a
700 and 1000 but am not sure what you mean by "quantities involved".
 
I look forward to hearing from you.
 
Cheers
 
Nigel
  _____  

  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Mikemaxcel
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2012 2:14 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL_1000ZXL enhanced Recording PCB & Nak 700ZXL
enhanced Mother PCB



As for the 1st cloning of the playback PCB project is successful with
quality that exceeding commercial standard to boast and  the next cloning
project  would be  Nak 700ZXL_1000ZXL enhanced Recording PCB and 700ZXL
enhanced Mother PCB with the same material, the same qualities and this time
adding both sides with printed components ID.

Please reply to show your interest and also indicating  quantities needed.

Your involvement would help the project to be realized at reasonable cost.




Mikemaxcel

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From mikemaxcel at gmail.com  Fri Aug  3 12:55:50 2012
From: mikemaxcel at gmail.com (Mikemaxcel)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:55:50 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL_1000ZXL enhanced Recording PCB & Nak 700ZXL
 enhanced Mother PCB
Message-ID: <CAE8BBeFckVLF=xw=nr_9-Kwi9KOJCY_NECAJ6mgvDqmkLk4-cg@mail.gmail.com>

Here are the Audio PCBs used in 700 zxl and 1000 zxl that I wish to clone:

1.BA04236  dolby rec pcb 700 zxl and 1000 zxl

2.BA04235A Playback and dolby pcb 700 zxl and 1000 zxl（done）

3.BA04296  rec eq pcb only 700 zxl

4.BAO4302  oscillator pcb only 700 zxl

5.BA04281A Mother PCB only 700ZXL 2nd version

BA04235A has been cloned and sold out,re-order would be considered if I
receive at least 5X in total.


BA04236 and BA04281A would be the next cloning and would be ready by
september.

All the boards would be cloned in the near future.

Please email me the above-mentioned PCB if you wish to order.


The board is made from double-sided 70um(2oz) FR-4 board(2mm)
with solder masks, PTH, components ID on components side and track sides.

Mikemaxcel
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From solexny at gmail.com  Fri Aug  3 20:11:51 2012
From: solexny at gmail.com (Dan Moy)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:11:51 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] BX300 with 200+ Tapes $350 OBO
Message-ID: <CANyhGbvUGn1Z8tdRhXSxC=HOiV_TKU5P-5HtUDjPw5=vSDPG-A@mail.gmail.com>

Please see the details in the attached link: New York Craig's List
Post<https://post.craigslist.org/manage/3179329668>

Regards,
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From spok2000 at gmx.de  Sat Aug  4 13:42:53 2012
From: spok2000 at gmx.de (spok2000 at gmx.de)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 13:42:53 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SM High Com II, version 1
Message-ID: <6224AC5B-B01C-48BA-BA7C-C6D4AE18DEBA@gmx.de>

Hi 2 all,
yesterday I received a Nak High Com II as a gift to accompany my fully restored Nak collection consisting of 480, 670, 680 and DR-200.
Would any of you guys point me towards a Service Manual for download ? I could only find the Owner's Manual so far, but I need to perform some minor repairs and possibly internal recalibration as it behaves quite funky. Would love to have it at hand, just for safety and completion.
Any hints toward known issues are greatly appreciated.

Thanks and best regards,
spok
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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Mon Aug 13 21:13:25 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:13:25 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000 zxl
 and 700 zxl
Message-ID: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>

Hi Naktalkers,
 
I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL  
decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059  
(700ZXL).
I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers maybe  
it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping cost .  
That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands and the  
manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can distribute through a  
Naktalk member in the States?
That should be cheaper i guess.
 
What you get is a  high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you have  
to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i think.
 
 
If you are intrested please send me a mail.
 
n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
 
Best regards ,
 
Norman van Wijnen
The Netherlands



From Philip.Stone at imail.org  Mon Aug 13 21:42:27 2012
From: Philip.Stone at imail.org (Philip Stone)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:42:27 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 missing small parts
In-Reply-To: <6224AC5B-B01C-48BA-BA7C-C6D4AE18DEBA@gmx.de>
References: <6224AC5B-B01C-48BA-BA7C-C6D4AE18DEBA@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272966405A6E20@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM>


Hello everyone,

I am looking for some small parts for a rx-505

I have the hfe_nakamichi_rx-505_service.pdf manual so that is what I will refer to.

( link to service manual I am using. "http://www.hifiengine.com/library/nakamichi/rx-505.shtml" )

On page 21 figure 5.9 the cassette case assembly comes right off on this unit.

The parts I am looking for are L02 L03  L04 and L05 description is mylar washers and stopper ring.

The nak part numbers on the sheet are

0E00837A stopper ring 3mm
0E00254A mylar washer 3.1x7x0.2
0C08347A mylar washer 3.1mm (0.25t)
0C08594A mylar washer 3x0.5


Is there somewhere I can get these that are the correct sizes / parts?

Thank you
Phil





From solexny at gmail.com  Mon Aug 13 22:08:16 2012
From: solexny at gmail.com (Dan Moy)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:08:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] For Sale BX-300 asking $200
Message-ID: <CANyhGbtcoE833akN2fZUo+ioNq6Nr7BHWfDNKt5fbqdNDz16Xw@mail.gmail.com>

All details can be seen here
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/ele/3201348980.html
Regards,
Dan
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From w.smetanig at chello.at  Tue Aug 14 07:13:43 2012
From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 07:13:43 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000
	zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
Message-ID: <4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>

Hi Norman 

You can count on me :-) 
I'm very interested on this project,
Please keeper me updated!

Wolfgang

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:

> Hi Naktalkers,
>  
> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059 (700ZXL).
> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can distribute through a Naktalk member in the States?
> That should be cheaper i guess.
>  
> What you get is a  high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i think.
>  
>  
> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
>  
> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
>  
> Best regards ,
>  
> Norman van Wijnen
> The Netherlands
> 
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Tue Aug 14 10:55:39 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:55:39 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000
	zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>
Message-ID: <ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>

Hi,
What will  this PCB calibrating  on a 1000ZXL ? How and
  where in the ZXL will it be connected  to a ZXL ?

Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?

regards

Gerhard
Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:

> Hi Norman
>
> You can count on me :-)
> I'm very interested on this project,
> Please keeper me updated!
>
> Wolfgang
>
> Von meinem iPad gesendet
>
> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>
>> Hi Naktalkers,
>>
>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL  
>> decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059  
>> (700ZXL).
>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers  
>> maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping  
>> cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands  
>> and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can  
>> distribute through a Naktalk member in the States?
>> That should be cheaper i guess.
>>
>> What you get is a  high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you  
>> have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i  
>> think.
>>
>>
>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
>>
>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
>>
>> Best regards ,
>>
>> Norman van Wijnen
>> The Netherlands
>>
>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- 
>> =========
>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- 
>> =========
>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ 
>> naktalk
>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- 
>> =========
>
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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Tue Aug 14 15:14:48 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:14:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000
	zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>
	<ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>

Hi Gerhard,

It is a part of the measurement and maintenance instruments mentioned on page
12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
It is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the right  
modus for calibration of the auto calibration settings of the deck.

As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
Bias Trap (Record) Adjustment
Bias Current adjustment
Oscillator level adjustment
A/D offset converter frequency Response and level change measurement.

I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
I deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables  
yourself. I have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL are  
difficult to buy? Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about this  
subject?

But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can replace them with  
normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of course)

If you look inside the service manual you can get a idea about the  
level of expertise you need to do the calibration job yourself.
I don't think, to be honest, that it is a easy job to perform but  
without the board the calibration (of a part of the 1000ZXL ) can't be  
done.

Inside the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps  
before they speak about the use of the board and al these steps must  
be done with a perfect result otherwise the calibration would not give  
you a good result.

Best regards ,

Norman








Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:

> Hi,
> What will  this PCB calibrating  on a 1000ZXL ? How and
>  where in the ZXL will it be connected  to a ZXL ?
>
> Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
>
> regards
>
> Gerhard
> Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:
>
>> Hi Norman
>>
>> You can count on me :-)
>> I'm very interested on this project,
>> Please keeper me updated!
>>
>> Wolfgang
>>
>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
>>
>> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>>
>>> Hi Naktalkers,
>>>
>>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL  
>>> decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059  
>>> (700ZXL).
>>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
>>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers  
>>> maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping  
>>> cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands  
>>> and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can  
>>> distribute through a Naktalk member in the States?
>>> That should be cheaper i guess.
>>>
>>> What you get is a  high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you  
>>> have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i  
>>> think.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
>>>
>>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
>>>
>>> Best regards ,
>>>
>>> Norman van Wijnen
>>> The Netherlands
>>>
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>        Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>                      Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>
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>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>
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>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
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>




From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Tue Aug 14 16:05:19 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:05:19 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for
	calibration of 1000 zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>
	<ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>
	<20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
Message-ID: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689C0682@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>

A word to the wise or anyone trying to alignment a 1000zxl, the procedure is not correct in the service manual is wrong, there is an error in step 13, good luck when you get there.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:15 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000 zxl and 700 zxl

Hi Gerhard,

It is a part of the measurement and maintenance instruments mentioned on page
12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
It is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the right modus for calibration of the auto calibration settings of the deck.

As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
Bias Trap (Record) Adjustment
Bias Current adjustment
Oscillator level adjustment
A/D offset converter frequency Response and level change measurement.

I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
I deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables yourself. I have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL are difficult to buy? Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about this subject?

But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can replace them with normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of course)

If you look inside the service manual you can get a idea about the level of expertise you need to do the calibration job yourself.
I don't think, to be honest, that it is a easy job to perform but without the board the calibration (of a part of the 1000ZXL ) can't be done.

Inside the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps before they speak about the use of the board and al these steps must be done with a perfect result otherwise the calibration would not give you a good result.

Best regards ,

Norman








Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:

> Hi,
> What will  this PCB calibrating  on a 1000ZXL ? How and  where in the 
> ZXL will it be connected  to a ZXL ?
>
> Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
>
> regards
>
> Gerhard
> Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:
>
>> Hi Norman
>>
>> You can count on me :-)
>> I'm very interested on this project,
>> Please keeper me updated!
>>
>> Wolfgang
>>
>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
>>
>> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>>
>>> Hi Naktalkers,
>>>
>>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL 
>>> decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059 
>>> (700ZXL).
>>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
>>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers 
>>> maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping 
>>> cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands 
>>> and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can distribute 
>>> through a Naktalk member in the States?
>>> That should be cheaper i guess.
>>>
>>> What you get is a  high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you 
>>> have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i 
>>> think.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
>>>
>>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
>>>
>>> Best regards ,
>>>
>>> Norman van Wijnen
>>> The Netherlands
>>>
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>        Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki 
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>                      Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your 
>>> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------===
>>> ======
>>
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki 
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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>
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> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Tue Aug 14 22:18:51 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:18:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000
	zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>
	<ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>
	<20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
Message-ID: <27EF51E3-7940-4611-BBAC-F24E09C9E035@gmail.com>

Hi Norman,
If you can make this instrument it would be great.

This instrument would need a display to show settings.

If you have the first one  ready  it would be great if you would do a  
you tube Video to show it working.

I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
   there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.

But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?

If you need 60$ to make the print  more often,  I will pay it.

But all the calibration in your mail is set with  a VTVM. and a screw  
driver.
Maximum Bias
Bias Trap

The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.

I do not understand  the  Naka Manual from this instrument, because I  
don´t  have the instrument.

My  fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D  memory settings.

kind regards
Gerhard
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Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:

> Hi Gerhard,
>
> It is a part of the measurement and maintenance instruments  
> mentioned on page
> 12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
> It is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the  
> right modus for calibration of the auto calibration settings of the  
> deck.
>
> As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
> Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
> Bias Trap (Record) Adjustment
> Bias Current adjustment
> Oscillator level adjustment
> A/D offset converter frequency Response and level change measurement.
>
> I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
> I deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables  
> yourself. I have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL  
> are difficult to buy? Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about  
> this subject?
>
> But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can replace them  
> with normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of course)
>
> If you look inside the service manual you can get a idea about the  
> level of expertise you need to do the calibration job yourself.
> I don't think, to be honest, that it is a easy job to perform but  
> without the board the calibration (of a part of the 1000ZXL ) can't  
> be done.
>
> Inside the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps  
> before they speak about the use of the board and al these steps  
> must be done with a perfect result otherwise the calibration would  
> not give you a good result.
>
> Best regards ,
>
> Norman
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi,
>> What will  this PCB calibrating  on a 1000ZXL ? How and
>>  where in the ZXL will it be connected  to a ZXL ?
>>
>> Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Gerhard
>> Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:
>>
>>> Hi Norman
>>>
>>> You can count on me :-)
>>> I'm very interested on this project,
>>> Please keeper me updated!
>>>
>>> Wolfgang
>>>
>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
>>>
>>> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>>>
>>>> Hi Naktalkers,
>>>>
>>>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL  
>>>> decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059  
>>>> (700ZXL).
>>>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
>>>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers  
>>>> maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the  
>>>> shipping cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the  
>>>> Netherlands and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe  
>>>> we can distribute through a Naktalk member in the States?
>>>> That should be cheaper i guess.
>>>>
>>>> What you get is a  high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you  
>>>> have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i  
>>>> think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
>>>>
>>>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Best regards ,
>>>>
>>>> Norman van Wijnen
>>>> The Netherlands
>>>>
>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>> =========
>>>>        Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>> =========
>>>>                      Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ 
>>>> naktalk
>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>> =========
>>>
>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> =========
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>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> =========
>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ 
>>> naktalk
>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> =========
>>
>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- 
>> =========
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>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- 
>> =========
>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
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>> naktalk
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>>
>
>
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> =========
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Tue Aug 14 23:46:50 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:46:50 -0700
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for
	calibration of 1000 zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689C0682@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>
	<ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>
	<20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689C0682@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <CAM9V8MdO8TBTLYXQb=NAGzBgs_-8mbFnTVAy=zcN7MJVHTSFQw@mail.gmail.com>

Please bless us with the corrected procedure!!  I've beat my head against
the wall there many times.

Willy

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com>wrote:

> A word to the wise or anyone trying to alignment a 1000zxl, the procedure
> is not correct in the service manual is wrong, there is an error in step
> 13, good luck when you get there.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
> Behalf Of naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:15 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for
> calibration of 1000 zxl and 700 zxl
>
> Hi Gerhard,
>
> It is a part of the measurement and maintenance instruments mentioned on
> page
> 12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
> It is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the right
> modus for calibration of the auto calibration settings of the deck.
>
> As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
> Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
> Bias Trap (Record) Adjustment
> Bias Current adjustment
> Oscillator level adjustment
> A/D offset converter frequency Response and level change measurement.
>
> I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
> I deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables yourself.
> I have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL are difficult to
> buy? Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about this subject?
>
> But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can replace them with
> normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of course)
>
> If you look inside the service manual you can get a idea about the level
> of expertise you need to do the calibration job yourself.
> I don't think, to be honest, that it is a easy job to perform but without
> the board the calibration (of a part of the 1000ZXL ) can't be done.
>
> Inside the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps before
> they speak about the use of the board and al these steps must be done with
> a perfect result otherwise the calibration would not give you a good result.
>
> Best regards ,
>
> Norman
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:
>
> > Hi,
> > What will  this PCB calibrating  on a 1000ZXL ? How and  where in the
> > ZXL will it be connected  to a ZXL ?
> >
> > Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Gerhard
> > Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:
> >
> >> Hi Norman
> >>
> >> You can count on me :-)
> >> I'm very interested on this project,
> >> Please keeper me updated!
> >>
> >> Wolfgang
> >>
> >> Von meinem iPad gesendet
> >>
> >> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
> >>
> >>> Hi Naktalkers,
> >>>
> >>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL
> >>> decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059
> >>> (700ZXL).
> >>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
> >>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers
> >>> maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping
> >>> cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands
> >>> and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can distribute
> >>> through a Naktalk member in the States?
> >>> That should be cheaper i guess.
> >>>
> >>> What you get is a  high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you
> >>> have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i
> >>> think.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
> >>>
> >>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
> >>>
> >>> Best regards ,
> >>>
> >>> Norman van Wijnen
> >>> The Netherlands
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 15 00:54:09 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:54:09 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000
	zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <27EF51E3-7940-4611-BBAC-F24E09C9E035@gmail.com>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>
	<ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>
	<20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<27EF51E3-7940-4611-BBAC-F24E09C9E035@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15FA80C1-08A6-4C75-B01D-322F576EAFAC@yahoo.com>

Would anyone be interested in an automated version? 

Bala 

Sent from my iPad

On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Norman,
> If you can make this instrument it would be great.
> 
> This instrument would need a display to show settings.
> 
> If you have the first one  ready  it would be great if you would do a you tube Video to show it working.
> 
> I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
>  there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
> 
> But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
> 
> If you need 60$ to make the print  more often,  I will pay it.
> 
> But all the calibration in your mail is set with  a VTVM. and a screw driver.
> Maximum Bias
> Bias Trap
> 
> The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
> 
> I do not understand  the  Naka Manual from this instrument, because I don´t  have the instrument.
> 
> My  fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D  memory settings.
> 
> kind regards
> Gerhard
> <L1006343.jpg>
> 
> 
> Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
> 
>> Hi Gerhard,
>> 
>> It is a part of the measurement and maintenance instruments mentioned on page
>> 12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
>> It is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the right modus for calibration of the auto calibration settings of the deck.
>> 
>> As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
>> Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
>> Bias Trap (Record) Adjustment
>> Bias Current adjustment
>> Oscillator level adjustment
>> A/D offset converter frequency Response and level change measurement.
>> 
>> I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
>> I deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables yourself. I have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL are difficult to buy? Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about this subject?
>> 
>> But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can replace them with normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of course)
>> 
>> If you look inside the service manual you can get a idea about the level of expertise you need to do the calibration job yourself.
>> I don't think, to be honest, that it is a easy job to perform but without the board the calibration (of a part of the 1000ZXL ) can't be done.
>> 
>> Inside the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps before they speak about the use of the board and al these steps must be done with a perfect result otherwise the calibration would not give you a good result.
>> 
>> Best regards ,
>> 
>> Norman
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> What will  this PCB calibrating  on a 1000ZXL ? How and
>>> where in the ZXL will it be connected  to a ZXL ?
>>> 
>>> Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
>>> 
>>> regards
>>> 
>>> Gerhard
>>> Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Norman
>>>> 
>>>> You can count on me :-)
>>>> I'm very interested on this project,
>>>> Please keeper me updated!
>>>> 
>>>> Wolfgang
>>>> 
>>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
>>>> 
>>>> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Naktalkers,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059 (700ZXL).
>>>>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
>>>>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can distribute through a Naktalk member in the States?
>>>>> That should be cheaper i guess.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What you get is a  high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i think.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
>>>>> 
>>>>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards ,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Norman van Wijnen
>>>>> The Netherlands
>>>>> 
>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>>>       Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>>>                     Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>> 
>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>> 
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From jfj_taylor at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 15 05:02:03 2012
From: jfj_taylor at hotmail.com (john taylor)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 04:02:03 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000
	zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <15FA80C1-08A6-4C75-B01D-322F576EAFAC@yahoo.com>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>,
	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>,
	<ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>,
	<20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>,
	<27EF51E3-7940-4611-BBAC-F24E09C9E035@gmail.com>,
	<15FA80C1-08A6-4C75-B01D-322F576EAFAC@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU157-W6135ECECFD0958DBA1337FEBB60@phx.gbl>


Hi Bala,           I for one would be interested in an automated version, put me down for one please. Best regards, John. PS just out of interest is there any progress /news on the remanufacturing nak gauges ?
 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000	zxl and 700 zxl
> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:54:09 +1000
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> 
> Would anyone be interested in an automated version? 
> 
> Bala 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Norman,
> > If you can make this instrument it would be great.
> > 
> > This instrument would need a display to show settings.
> > 
> > If you have the first one  ready  it would be great if you would do a you tube Video to show it working.
> > 
> > I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
> >  there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
> > 
> > But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
> > 
> > If you need 60$ to make the print  more often,  I will pay it.
> > 
> > But all the calibration in your mail is set with  a VTVM. and a screw driver.
> > Maximum Bias
> > Bias Trap
> > 
> > The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
> > 
> > I do not understand  the  Naka Manual from this instrument, because I don´t  have the instrument.
> > 
> > My  fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D  memory settings.
> > 
> > kind regards
> > Gerhard
> > <L1006343.jpg>
> > 
> > 
> > Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
> > 
> >> Hi Gerhard,
> >> 
> >> It is a part of the measurement and maintenance instruments mentioned on page
> >> 12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
> >> It is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the right modus for calibration of the auto calibration settings of the deck.
> >> 
> >> As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
> >> Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
> >> Bias Trap (Record) Adjustment
> >> Bias Current adjustment
> >> Oscillator level adjustment
> >> A/D offset converter frequency Response and level change measurement.
> >> 
> >> I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
> >> I deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables yourself. I have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL are difficult to buy? Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about this subject?
> >> 
> >> But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can replace them with normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of course)
> >> 
> >> If you look inside the service manual you can get a idea about the level of expertise you need to do the calibration job yourself.
> >> I don't think, to be honest, that it is a easy job to perform but without the board the calibration (of a part of the 1000ZXL ) can't be done.
> >> 
> >> Inside the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps before they speak about the use of the board and al these steps must be done with a perfect result otherwise the calibration would not give you a good result.
> >> 
> >> Best regards ,
> >> 
> >> Norman
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:
> >> 
> >>> Hi,
> >>> What will  this PCB calibrating  on a 1000ZXL ? How and
> >>> where in the ZXL will it be connected  to a ZXL ?
> >>> 
> >>> Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
> >>> 
> >>> regards
> >>> 
> >>> Gerhard
> >>> Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:
> >>> 
> >>>> Hi Norman
> >>>> 
> >>>> You can count on me :-)
> >>>> I'm very interested on this project,
> >>>> Please keeper me updated!
> >>>> 
> >>>> Wolfgang
> >>>> 
> >>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
> >>>> 
> >>>> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Hi Naktalkers,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059 (700ZXL).
> >>>>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
> >>>>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can distribute through a Naktalk member in the States?
> >>>>> That should be cheaper i guess.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> What you get is a  high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i think.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Best regards ,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Norman van Wijnen
> >>>>> The Netherlands
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>>>>       Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>>>>                     Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>>> 
> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>> 
> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> >>> 
> >> 
> >> 
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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Wed Aug 15 20:15:53 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:15:53 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000
	zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <15FA80C1-08A6-4C75-B01D-322F576EAFAC@yahoo.com>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>
	<ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>
	<20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<27EF51E3-7940-4611-BBAC-F24E09C9E035@gmail.com>
	<15FA80C1-08A6-4C75-B01D-322F576EAFAC@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20120815201553.145366q15pnlubok@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>

Hi Bala,

What do you mean with a automated version?
Do you have a improved one?
Sounds good to me.

Regards Norman

Citeren Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>:

> Would anyone be interested in an automated version?
>
> Bala
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Norman,
>> If you can make this instrument it would be great.
>>
>> This instrument would need a display to show settings.
>>
>> If you have the first one  ready  it would be great if you would do  
>> a you tube Video to show it working.
>>
>> I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
>>  there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
>>
>> But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
>>
>> If you need 60$ to make the print  more often,  I will pay it.
>>
>> But all the calibration in your mail is set with  a VTVM. and a  
>> screw driver.
>> Maximum Bias
>> Bias Trap
>>
>> The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
>>
>> I do not understand  the  Naka Manual from this instrument, because  
>> I don´t  have the instrument.
>>
>> My  fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D  memory settings.
>>
>> kind regards
>> Gerhard
>> <L1006343.jpg>
>>
>>
>> Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>>
>>> Hi Gerhard,
>>>
>>> It is a part of the measurement and maintenance instruments  
>>> mentioned on page
>>> 12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
>>> It is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the  
>>> right modus for calibration of the auto calibration settings of  
>>> the deck.
>>>
>>> As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
>>> Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
>>> Bias Trap (Record) Adjustment
>>> Bias Current adjustment
>>> Oscillator level adjustment
>>> A/D offset converter frequency Response and level change measurement.
>>>
>>> I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
>>> I deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables  
>>> yourself. I have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL  
>>> are difficult to buy? Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about  
>>> this subject?
>>>
>>> But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can replace them  
>>> with normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of  
>>> course)
>>>
>>> If you look inside the service manual you can get a idea about the  
>>> level of expertise you need to do the calibration job yourself.
>>> I don't think, to be honest, that it is a easy job to perform but  
>>> without the board the calibration (of a part of the 1000ZXL )  
>>> can't be done.
>>>
>>> Inside the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps  
>>> before they speak about the use of the board and al these steps  
>>> must be done with a perfect result otherwise the calibration would  
>>> not give you a good result.
>>>
>>> Best regards ,
>>>
>>> Norman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> What will  this PCB calibrating  on a 1000ZXL ? How and
>>>> where in the ZXL will it be connected  to a ZXL ?
>>>>
>>>> Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>>
>>>> Gerhard
>>>> Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Norman
>>>>>
>>>>> You can count on me :-)
>>>>> I'm very interested on this project,
>>>>> Please keeper me updated!
>>>>>
>>>>> Wolfgang
>>>>>
>>>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Naktalkers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the  
>>>>>> 700ZXL decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057)  
>>>>>> and M9059 (700ZXL).
>>>>>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
>>>>>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers  
>>>>>> maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the  
>>>>>> shipping cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the  
>>>>>> Netherlands and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe  
>>>>>> we can distribute through a Naktalk member in the States?
>>>>>> That should be cheaper i guess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What you get is a  high quality PCB , the parts for assembly  
>>>>>> you have to buy yourself and you must have some solder  
>>>>>> experience i think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards ,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Norman van Wijnen
>>>>>> The Netherlands
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>>>>       Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>>>>                     Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>>>
>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>>
>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From pbtanner at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 15 22:25:35 2012
From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:25:35 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
Message-ID: <SNT127-W7D2559995372B98C6C9B6DFB60@phx.gbl>


I know this could be beyond my capacity to fix but just in case someone has an idea I am putting this out anyway.

The 482Z I have has been running with a very hot transformer. Could not find the reason for it. The deck otherwise played and recorded without a flaw with all tapes. Used it regularly. Then the other day after about 3 hours of play it made a strange crackling noise, stopped and went dead. Looked like one of the large electrolytic capacitors either C401 or 402 got blown but not sure. All fuses are OK. The IC401 which is a Regulator IC has no power on any of its pins. Changed those two caps but made no difference. The deck lights up when the power is on but there doesn't seem to be any power going to the mechanism. Is there anything that can be done to it or is it blown? Thanks for any ideas

Peter  
 		 	   		  
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From w.smetanig at chello.at  Wed Aug 15 23:16:46 2012
From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:16:46 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000
	zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <15FA80C1-08A6-4C75-B01D-322F576EAFAC@yahoo.com>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>
	<ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>
	<20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<27EF51E3-7940-4611-BBAC-F24E09C9E035@gmail.com>
	<15FA80C1-08A6-4C75-B01D-322F576EAFAC@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <69BD8F1F-25FB-49E9-9BEF-BA096656E8C7@chello.at>

If calibration is easier with this tool -Y E S

Wolfgang

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 15.08.2012 um 00:54 schrieb Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>:

> Would anyone be interested in an automated version? 
> 
> Bala 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Norman,
>> If you can make this instrument it would be great.
>> 
>> This instrument would need a display to show settings.
>> 
>> If you have the first one  ready  it would be great if you would do a you tube Video to show it working.
>> 
>> I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
>> there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
>> 
>> But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
>> 
>> If you need 60$ to make the print  more often,  I will pay it.
>> 
>> But all the calibration in your mail is set with  a VTVM. and a screw driver.
>> Maximum Bias
>> Bias Trap
>> 
>> The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
>> 
>> I do not understand  the  Naka Manual from this instrument, because I don´t  have the instrument.
>> 
>> My  fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D  memory settings.
>> 
>> kind regards
>> Gerhard
>> <L1006343.jpg>
>> 
>> 
>> Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>> 
>>> Hi Gerhard,



From angel9esoteric at gmail.com  Thu Aug 16 01:16:39 2012
From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:16:39 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000
	zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <69BD8F1F-25FB-49E9-9BEF-BA096656E8C7@chello.at>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>
	<ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>
	<20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<27EF51E3-7940-4611-BBAC-F24E09C9E035@gmail.com>
	<15FA80C1-08A6-4C75-B01D-322F576EAFAC@yahoo.com>
	<69BD8F1F-25FB-49E9-9BEF-BA096656E8C7@chello.at>
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We don't care.

On 8/15/12, Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig <w.smetanig at chello.at> wrote:
> If calibration is easier with this tool -Y E S
>
> Wolfgang
>
> Von meinem iPad gesendet
>
> Am 15.08.2012 um 00:54 schrieb Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>:
>
>> Would anyone be interested in an automated version?
>>
>> Bala
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Norman,
>>> If you can make this instrument it would be great.
>>>
>>> This instrument would need a display to show settings.
>>>
>>> If you have the first one  ready  it would be great if you would do a you
>>> tube Video to show it working.
>>>
>>> I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
>>> there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
>>>
>>> But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
>>>
>>> If you need 60$ to make the print  more often,  I will pay it.
>>>
>>> But all the calibration in your mail is set with  a VTVM. and a screw
>>> driver.
>>> Maximum Bias
>>> Bias Trap
>>>
>>> The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
>>>
>>> I do not understand  the  Naka Manual from this instrument, because I
>>> don´t  have the instrument.
>>>
>>> My  fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D  memory settings.
>>>
>>> kind regards
>>> Gerhard
>>> <L1006343.jpg>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>>>
>>>> Hi Gerhard,
>
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 16 01:55:33 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:55:33 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000
	zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <69BD8F1F-25FB-49E9-9BEF-BA096656E8C7@chello.at>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>
	<ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>
	<20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<27EF51E3-7940-4611-BBAC-F24E09C9E035@gmail.com>
	<15FA80C1-08A6-4C75-B01D-322F576EAFAC@yahoo.com>
	<69BD8F1F-25FB-49E9-9BEF-BA096656E8C7@chello.at>
Message-ID: <525D517B-71BC-4EBD-AD62-C151DAB59AE5@yahoo.com>

There's so much scope with most of the decks I am surprised everyone is still thinking 1980. 

Sent from my iPad

On 16 Aug, 2012, at 7:16 AM, "Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" <w.smetanig at chello.at> wrote:

> If calibration is easier with this tool -Y E S
> 
> Wolfgang
> 
> Von meinem iPad gesendet
> 
> Am 15.08.2012 um 00:54 schrieb Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>:
> 
>> Would anyone be interested in an automated version? 
>> 
>> Bala 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Norman,
>>> If you can make this instrument it would be great.
>>> 
>>> This instrument would need a display to show settings.
>>> 
>>> If you have the first one  ready  it would be great if you would do a you tube Video to show it working.
>>> 
>>> I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
>>> there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
>>> 
>>> But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
>>> 
>>> If you need 60$ to make the print  more often,  I will pay it.
>>> 
>>> But all the calibration in your mail is set with  a VTVM. and a screw driver.
>>> Maximum Bias
>>> Bias Trap
>>> 
>>> The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
>>> 
>>> I do not understand  the  Naka Manual from this instrument, because I don´t  have the instrument.
>>> 
>>> My  fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D  memory settings.
>>> 
>>> kind regards
>>> Gerhard
>>> <L1006343.jpg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Gerhard,
> 
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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Thu Aug 16 09:22:16 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:22:16 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000
	zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <525D517B-71BC-4EBD-AD62-C151DAB59AE5@yahoo.com>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>
	<ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>
	<20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<27EF51E3-7940-4611-BBAC-F24E09C9E035@gmail.com>
	<15FA80C1-08A6-4C75-B01D-322F576EAFAC@yahoo.com>
	<69BD8F1F-25FB-49E9-9BEF-BA096656E8C7@chello.at>
	<525D517B-71BC-4EBD-AD62-C151DAB59AE5@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20120816092216.2852594g8nqls0ow@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>


Bala,
I am not sure if i understand what you are saying but if you are  
making a easier alternative for the M9057 let us know because then i'm  
stopping my Pcb project as you can understand.

Regards Norman

Citeren Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>:

> There's so much scope with most of the decks I am surprised everyone  
> is still thinking 1980.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 16 Aug, 2012, at 7:16 AM, "Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig"  
> <w.smetanig at chello.at> wrote:
>
>> If calibration is easier with this tool -Y E S
>>
>> Wolfgang
>>
>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
>>
>> Am 15.08.2012 um 00:54 schrieb Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>:
>>
>>> Would anyone be interested in an automated version?
>>>
>>> Bala
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha  
>>> <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Norman,
>>>> If you can make this instrument it would be great.
>>>>
>>>> This instrument would need a display to show settings.
>>>>
>>>> If you have the first one  ready  it would be great if you would  
>>>> do a you tube Video to show it working.
>>>>
>>>> I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
>>>> there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
>>>>
>>>> But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
>>>>
>>>> If you need 60$ to make the print  more often,  I will pay it.
>>>>
>>>> But all the calibration in your mail is set with  a VTVM. and a  
>>>> screw driver.
>>>> Maximum Bias
>>>> Bias Trap
>>>>
>>>> The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
>>>>
>>>> I do not understand  the  Naka Manual from this instrument,  
>>>> because I don´t  have the instrument.
>>>>
>>>> My  fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D  memory settings.
>>>>
>>>> kind regards
>>>> Gerhard
>>>> <L1006343.jpg>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Gerhard,
>>
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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>
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 16 12:13:37 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:13:37 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000
	zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <20120816092216.2852594g8nqls0ow@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>
	<ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>
	<20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<27EF51E3-7940-4611-BBAC-F24E09C9E035@gmail.com>
	<15FA80C1-08A6-4C75-B01D-322F576EAFAC@yahoo.com>
	<69BD8F1F-25FB-49E9-9BEF-BA096656E8C7@chello.at>
	<525D517B-71BC-4EBD-AD62-C151DAB59AE5@yahoo.com>
	<20120816092216.2852594g8nqls0ow@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
Message-ID: <17365BB2-703B-4F2A-9746-6799E8F997D2@yahoo.com>

Hi Norman, 

There is certainly a better way and yes it can be done. I will work on it keep you guys updated. 

Cheers,
Bala 

Sent from my iPad

On 16 Aug, 2012, at 5:22 PM, naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl wrote:

> 
> Bala,
> I am not sure if i understand what you are saying but if you are making a easier alternative for the M9057 let us know because then i'm stopping my Pcb project as you can understand.
> 
> Regards Norman
> 
> Citeren Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>:
> 
>> There's so much scope with most of the decks I am surprised everyone is still thinking 1980.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 16 Aug, 2012, at 7:16 AM, "Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" <w.smetanig at chello.at> wrote:
>> 
>>> If calibration is easier with this tool -Y E S
>>> 
>>> Wolfgang
>>> 
>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
>>> 
>>> Am 15.08.2012 um 00:54 schrieb Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>:
>>> 
>>>> Would anyone be interested in an automated version?
>>>> 
>>>> Bala
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Norman,
>>>>> If you can make this instrument it would be great.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This instrument would need a display to show settings.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have the first one  ready  it would be great if you would do a you tube Video to show it working.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
>>>>> there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you need 60$ to make the print  more often,  I will pay it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But all the calibration in your mail is set with  a VTVM. and a screw driver.
>>>>> Maximum Bias
>>>>> Bias Trap
>>>>> 
>>>>> The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do not understand  the  Naka Manual from this instrument, because I don´t  have the instrument.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My  fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D  memory settings.
>>>>> 
>>>>> kind regards
>>>>> Gerhard
>>>>> <L1006343.jpg>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Gerhard,
>>> 
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>> 
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>> 
> 
> 
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>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 16 15:33:59 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:33:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W7D2559995372B98C6C9B6DFB60@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT127-W7D2559995372B98C6C9B6DFB60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1345124039.85729.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

When a power transformer overheats, that's the time to find out why and 

fix the problem. 


At this point, it's possible your power transformer has joined its ancestors. 

To check, disconnect all secondary  windings, turn it on and measure all 

secondary voltages (expect voltage values somewhat higher than normal). 


If correct, thank your God(s). If not, the transformer will have to be repaired 

or replaced (expensive, either way) -- but only after the cause for the 

problem has been determined and corrected. To do that, you'll need a 

protected lab power supply and some electronics knowledge.

Good luck,

-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>
>To: naktalk naktalk <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:25 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
> 
>
> 
>I know this could be beyond my capacity to fix but just in case someone has an idea I am putting this out anyway.
>
>The 482Z I have has been running with a very hot transformer. Could not find the reason for it. The deck otherwise played and recorded without a flaw with all tapes. Used it regularly. Then the other day after about 3 hours of play it made a strange crackling noise, stopped and went dead. Looked like one of the large electrolytic capacitors either C401 or 402 got blown but not sure. All fuses are OK. The IC401 which is a Regulator IC has no power on any of its pins. Changed those two caps but made no difference. The deck lights up when the power is on but there doesn't seem to be any power going to the mechanism. Is there anything that can be done to it or is it blown? Thanks for any ideas
>
>Peter  
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From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Thu Aug 16 14:05:55 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:05:55 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for
	calibration of 1000 zxl and 700 zxl
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	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>
	<ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>
	<20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<27EF51E3-7940-4611-BBAC-F24E09C9E035@gmail.com>
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	<69BD8F1F-25FB-49E9-9BEF-BA096656E8C7@chello.at>
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Norman,

The circuit is not that complicated, I would continue with the PC board project if I were you. I made a test box years ago using pref board and point to point wiring, I will upload a pic of it later. I am not sure why one would try to reinvent the wheel and come up with another way to do it, to Bala point, sure you can and should also use a true RMS meter during step 13 but once you have figured out the problems with the procedure the unit works perfect. If you look at steps 13 and 15 everything you need to figure out what's wrong with the procedure is right there. When I have sometime I will dig out my old notes and post the correct procedure.



 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 6:14 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000 zxl and 700 zxl

Hi Norman, 

There is certainly a better way and yes it can be done. I will work on it keep you guys updated. 

Cheers,
Bala 

Sent from my iPad

On 16 Aug, 2012, at 5:22 PM, naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl wrote:

> 
> Bala,
> I am not sure if i understand what you are saying but if you are making a easier alternative for the M9057 let us know because then i'm stopping my Pcb project as you can understand.
> 
> Regards Norman
> 
> Citeren Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>:
> 
>> There's so much scope with most of the decks I am surprised everyone is still thinking 1980.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 16 Aug, 2012, at 7:16 AM, "Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" <w.smetanig at chello.at> wrote:
>> 
>>> If calibration is easier with this tool -Y E S
>>> 
>>> Wolfgang
>>> 
>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
>>> 
>>> Am 15.08.2012 um 00:54 schrieb Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>:
>>> 
>>>> Would anyone be interested in an automated version?
>>>> 
>>>> Bala
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Norman,
>>>>> If you can make this instrument it would be great.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This instrument would need a display to show settings.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have the first one  ready  it would be great if you would do a you tube Video to show it working.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
>>>>> there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you need 60$ to make the print  more often,  I will pay it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But all the calibration in your mail is set with  a VTVM. and a screw driver.
>>>>> Maximum Bias
>>>>> Bias Trap
>>>>> 
>>>>> The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do not understand  the  Naka Manual from this instrument, because I don´t  have the instrument.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My  fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D  memory settings.
>>>>> 
>>>>> kind regards
>>>>> Gerhard
>>>>> <L1006343.jpg>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Gerhard,
>>> 
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki 
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your 
>>> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Sat Aug 18 20:13:01 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:13:01 +0200
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for
	calibration of 1000 zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689C7B0E@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>
	<ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>
	<20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<27EF51E3-7940-4611-BBAC-F24E09C9E035@gmail.com>
	<15FA80C1-08A6-4C75-B01D-322F576EAFAC@yahoo.com>
	<69BD8F1F-25FB-49E9-9BEF-BA096656E8C7@chello.at>
	<525D517B-71BC-4EBD-AD62-C151DAB59AE5@yahoo.com>
	<20120816092216.2852594g8nqls0ow@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<17365BB2-703B-4F2A-9746-6799E8F997D2@yahoo.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689C7B0E@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <20120818201301.387043nrl7d8gbqc@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>


Hi Scott,

You are right. The board is almost in the final state so maybe it is  
better to go on. But if you can find the time i would be highly  
appreciated if you can tell us about the step 13 troubles.

Regards ,
Norman

Citeren "Garner, Scott H" <scott.h.garner at lmco.com>:

> Norman,
>
> The circuit is not that complicated, I would continue with the PC  
> board project if I were you. I made a test box years ago using pref  
> board and point to point wiring, I will upload a pic of it later. I  
> am not sure why one would try to reinvent the wheel and come up with  
> another way to do it, to Bala point, sure you can and should also  
> use a true RMS meter during step 13 but once you have figured out  
> the problems with the procedure the unit works perfect. If you look  
> at steps 13 and 15 everything you need to figure out what's wrong  
> with the procedure is right there. When I have sometime I will dig  
> out my old notes and post the correct procedure.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On  
> Behalf Of Bala Ganesh
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 6:14 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for  
> calibration of 1000 zxl and 700 zxl
>
> Hi Norman,
>
> There is certainly a better way and yes it can be done. I will work  
> on it keep you guys updated.
>
> Cheers,
> Bala
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 16 Aug, 2012, at 5:22 PM, naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl wrote:
>
>>
>> Bala,
>> I am not sure if i understand what you are saying but if you are  
>> making a easier alternative for the M9057 let us know because then  
>> i'm stopping my Pcb project as you can understand.
>>
>> Regards Norman
>>
>> Citeren Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>:
>>
>>> There's so much scope with most of the decks I am surprised  
>>> everyone is still thinking 1980.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 16 Aug, 2012, at 7:16 AM, "Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig"  
>>> <w.smetanig at chello.at> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If calibration is easier with this tool -Y E S
>>>>
>>>> Wolfgang
>>>>
>>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
>>>>
>>>> Am 15.08.2012 um 00:54 schrieb Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Would anyone be interested in an automated version?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bala
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha  
>>>>> <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Norman,
>>>>>> If you can make this instrument it would be great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This instrument would need a display to show settings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have the first one  ready  it would be great if you  
>>>>>> would do a you tube Video to show it working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
>>>>>> there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you need 60$ to make the print  more often,  I will pay it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But all the calibration in your mail is set with  a VTVM. and a  
>>>>>> screw driver.
>>>>>> Maximum Bias
>>>>>> Bias Trap
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not understand  the  Naka Manual from this instrument,  
>>>>>> because I don´t  have the instrument.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My  fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D  memory settings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> kind regards
>>>>>> Gerhard
>>>>>> <L1006343.jpg>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Gerhard,
>>>>
>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>>>
>>
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 19 00:33:45 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 08:33:45 +1000
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for
	calibration of 1000 zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689C7B0E@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>
	<ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>
	<20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<27EF51E3-7940-4611-BBAC-F24E09C9E035@gmail.com>
	<15FA80C1-08A6-4C75-B01D-322F576EAFAC@yahoo.com>
	<69BD8F1F-25FB-49E9-9BEF-BA096656E8C7@chello.at>
	<525D517B-71BC-4EBD-AD62-C151DAB59AE5@yahoo.com>
	<20120816092216.2852594g8nqls0ow@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<17365BB2-703B-4F2A-9746-6799E8F997D2@yahoo.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689C7B0E@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <9A983987-7098-4734-853F-6F53F62F0312@yahoo.com>


My first circuit was pretty much the way you described, housed in a plastic box. But what good is it trying to simply keep doing things they were? As I said before, theres still so much scope with the decks. Several years ago, I controlled my test ZXL using an FTDI chip via USB just for kicks. Now it's time to do it again wirelessly thru an app on my iPad. 

Norman, I hope you didn't take my reply as being a call to stop your progress. What I meant was that yes I can do it. It's cool to have two versions so why not? 

Bala
Sent from my iPad

On 16 Aug, 2012, at 10:05 PM, "Garner, Scott H" <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:

> Norman,
> 
> The circuit is not that complicated, I would continue with the PC board project if I were you. I made a test box years ago using pref board and point to point wiring, I will upload a pic of it later. I am not sure why one would try to reinvent the wheel and come up with another way to do it, to Bala point, sure you can and should also use a true RMS meter during step 13 but once you have figured out the problems with the procedure the unit works perfect. If you look at steps 13 and 15 everything you need to figure out what's wrong with the procedure is right there. When I have sometime I will dig out my old notes and post the correct procedure.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 6:14 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000 zxl and 700 zxl
> 
> Hi Norman, 
> 
> There is certainly a better way and yes it can be done. I will work on it keep you guys updated. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Bala 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 16 Aug, 2012, at 5:22 PM, naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Bala,
>> I am not sure if i understand what you are saying but if you are making a easier alternative for the M9057 let us know because then i'm stopping my Pcb project as you can understand.
>> 
>> Regards Norman
>> 
>> Citeren Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>:
>> 
>>> There's so much scope with most of the decks I am surprised everyone is still thinking 1980.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 16 Aug, 2012, at 7:16 AM, "Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" <w.smetanig at chello.at> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If calibration is easier with this tool -Y E S
>>>> 
>>>> Wolfgang
>>>> 
>>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
>>>> 
>>>> Am 15.08.2012 um 00:54 schrieb Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>:
>>>> 
>>>>> Would anyone be interested in an automated version?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bala
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Norman,
>>>>>> If you can make this instrument it would be great.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This instrument would need a display to show settings.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you have the first one  ready  it would be great if you would do a you tube Video to show it working.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
>>>>>> there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you need 60$ to make the print  more often,  I will pay it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But all the calibration in your mail is set with  a VTVM. and a screw driver.
>>>>>> Maximum Bias
>>>>>> Bias Trap
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I do not understand  the  Naka Manual from this instrument, because I don´t  have the instrument.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My  fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D  memory settings.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> kind regards
>>>>>> Gerhard
>>>>>> <L1006343.jpg>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Gerhard,
>>>> 
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 08:26:49 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:26:49 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] C-Mos CPU
Message-ID: <64069B96-5546-455A-87E5-FABB6F9D2CC9@gmail.com>


Hi,listeners,

When  Nakamichi did used CMOS IC on  Decks like 580, they explain  
this in the SERVICE Manuals how this IC´s work in the logic PCB.

Can one of you give a  overview explanation of a ZXL CPU ?

Where is  the 450 milliseconds  pulse from,  on the IC 713, witch can  
be adjust on VR 702. ?

Where are this 450ms are switched on if the Deck  goes on calibration  
modus?

Where are the 2 to 6 Volts on  IC 101/201 from, to carry the 105kHZ  
to the amplifier IC 301.

Thank you for your time.

Gerhard



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From pbtanner at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 20 14:45:30 2012
From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:45:30 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
In-Reply-To: <1345124039.85729.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <SNT127-W7D2559995372B98C6C9B6DFB60@phx.gbl>,
	<1345124039.85729.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT127-W25B3EB2626EDFB2AE4DBA2DFB90@phx.gbl>


Thanks, Ron. I've checked voltages, they are ok and the power transformer seems to function. Something must have been blown though as there is no power on any of the regulator IC 401 pins. The fuses are ok and the deck powers on meaning the light comes on but there is no power going into the transport. Unfortunately there is nobody around me who could reliably diagnose this. Sending it out-- too expensive. It might become a parts deck which is a pity as it sounded great while it functioned. I do have another transformer but it comes from a 480Z which is a two head and completely different deck so I am no going to fiddle with that.


Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:33:59 -0700
From: ronami at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482Z
To: naktalk at naks.com

When a power transformer overheats, that's the time to find out why and 
fix the problem. 

At this point, it's possible your power transformer has joined its ancestors. 
To check, disconnect all secondary  windings, turn it on and measure all 
secondary voltages (expect voltage values somewhat higher than normal). 

If correct, thank your God(s). If not, the transformer will have to be repaired
 
or replaced (expensive, either way) -- but only after the cause for the 
problem has been determined and corrected. To do that, you'll need a 
protected lab power supply and some electronics knowledge.
Good luck,
-- Ron

        From: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>
 To: naktalk naktalk <naktalk at naks.com> 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:25 PM
 Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
   





I know this could be beyond my capacity to fix but just in case someone has an idea I am putting this out anyway.

The 482Z I have has been running with a very hot transformer. Could not find the reason for it. The deck otherwise played and recorded without a flaw with all tapes. Used it regularly. Then the other day after about 3 hours of play it made a strange crackling noise, stopped and went dead. Looked like one of the large electrolytic capacitors either C401 or 402 got blown but not sure. All fuses are OK. The IC401 which is a Regulator IC has no power on any of its pins. Changed those two caps but made no difference. The deck lights up when the power is on but there doesn't seem to be any power going to the mechanism. Is there anything that can be done to it or is it blown? Thanks for any ideas

Peter  
 		 	   		  

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From jfj_taylor at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 21 07:05:05 2012
From: jfj_taylor at hotmail.com (john taylor)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:05:05 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] C-Mos CPU
In-Reply-To: <64069B96-5546-455A-87E5-FABB6F9D2CC9@gmail.com>
References: <64069B96-5546-455A-87E5-FABB6F9D2CC9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU157-W3AE648C13F3C30142505AEBB80@phx.gbl>


Hi everybody,                    to anyone who's interested below is the link to a company selling Nakamichi CR7 test units DA09101A, I bought one myself about a year ago.http://www.piexx.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=65 regards, John.
 To: naktalk at naks.com
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:26:49 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] C-Mos CPU



Hi,listeners,
When  Nakamichi did used CMOS IC on  Decks like 580, they explain this in the SERVICE Manuals how this IC´s work in the logic PCB.
Can one of you give a  overview explanation of a ZXL CPU ?
Where is  the 450 milliseconds  pulse from,  on the IC 713, witch can be adjust on VR 702. ?
Where are this 450ms are switched on if the Deck  goes on calibration modus?
Where are the 2 to 6 Volts on  IC 101/201 from, to carry the 105kHZ to the amplifier IC 301.
Thank you for your time.
Gerhard

 

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From solexny at gmail.com  Tue Aug 21 19:51:56 2012
From: solexny at gmail.com (Dan Moy)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:51:56 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] FS: BX-300 $200.00
Message-ID: <CANyhGbv2uR_ZFsZ7WkSiUi0n3=W13-KO2u0BJV8__jHbojScRw@mail.gmail.com>

Asking $200.00...

Details are here:

https://post.craigslist.org/manage/3201348980

Will ship in double box.

Regards,
Dan


From bungiewilliams at yahoo.com.au  Sat Aug 25 00:44:59 2012
From: bungiewilliams at yahoo.com.au (Gregory Williams)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:44:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon - Cassette Door 
In-Reply-To: <3B13C21B-E7CA-4F97-AC18-1C2D08EF5AA9@yahoo.com.au>
References: <3B13C21B-E7CA-4F97-AC18-1C2D08EF5AA9@yahoo.com.au>
Message-ID: <1345848299.62700.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

I am looking for a replacement door that is in good condition to fit to my Dragon. The previous owner had put green packaging tape on it for some obscure reason and it has ruined the screen printing on the door.  The door does look ok polished up but i would prefer that looked original. Would like to hear from anyone who has a parts dragon with a good door that they are willing to sell.

Regards, Greg

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From jfj_taylor at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 27 10:04:30 2012
From: jfj_taylor at hotmail.com (john taylor)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:04:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000
	zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <15FA80C1-08A6-4C75-B01D-322F576EAFAC@yahoo.com>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>,
	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>,
	<ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>,
	<20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>,
	<27EF51E3-7940-4611-BBAC-F24E09C9E035@gmail.com>,
	<15FA80C1-08A6-4C75-B01D-322F576EAFAC@yahoo.com>
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Hi Bala,
           I for one would be interested in an automated version, put me down for one please.
 
Best regards, John. PS just out of interest is there any progress /news on the remanufacturing nak gauges ?
 
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000	zxl and 700 zxl
> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:54:09 +1000
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> 
> Would anyone be interested in an automated version? 
> 
> Bala 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Norman,
> > If you can make this instrument it would be great.
> > 
> > This instrument would need a display to show settings.
> > 
> > If you have the first one  ready  it would be great if you would do a you tube Video to show it working.
> > 
> > I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
> >  there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
> > 
> > But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
> > 
> > If you need 60$ to make the print  more often,  I will pay it.
> > 
> > But all the calibration in your mail is set with  a VTVM. and a screw driver.
> > Maximum Bias
> > Bias Trap
> > 
> > The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
> > 
> > I do not understand  the  Naka Manual from this instrument, because I don´t  have the instrument.
> > 
> > My  fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D  memory settings.
> > 
> > kind regards
> > Gerhard
> > <L1006343.jpg>
> > 
> > 
> > Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
> > 
> >> Hi Gerhard,
> >> 
> >> It is a part of the measurement and maintenance instruments mentioned on page
> >> 12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
> >> It is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the right modus for calibration of the auto calibration settings of the deck.
> >> 
> >> As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
> >> Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
> >> Bias Trap (Record) Adjustment
> >> Bias Current adjustment
> >> Oscillator level adjustment
> >> A/D offset converter frequency Response and level change measurement.
> >> 
> >> I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
> >> I deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables yourself. I have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL are difficult to buy? Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about this subject?
> >> 
> >> But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can replace them with normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of course)
> >> 
> >> If you look inside the service manual you can get a idea about the level of expertise you need to do the calibration job yourself.
> >> I don't think, to be honest, that it is a easy job to perform but without the board the calibration (of a part of the 1000ZXL ) can't be done.
> >> 
> >> Inside the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps before they speak about the use of the board and al these steps must be done with a perfect result otherwise the calibration would not give you a good result.
> >> 
> >> Best regards ,
> >> 
> >> Norman
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:
> >> 
> >>> Hi,
> >>> What will  this PCB calibrating  on a 1000ZXL ? How and
> >>> where in the ZXL will it be connected  to a ZXL ?
> >>> 
> >>> Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
> >>> 
> >>> regards
> >>> 
> >>> Gerhard
> >>> Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:
> >>> 
> >>>> Hi Norman
> >>>> 
> >>>> You can count on me :-)
> >>>> I'm very interested on this project,
> >>>> Please keeper me updated!
> >>>> 
> >>>> Wolfgang
> >>>> 
> >>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
> >>>> 
> >>>> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Hi Naktalkers,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059 (700ZXL).
> >>>>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
> >>>>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can distribute through a Naktalk member in the States?
> >>>>> That should be cheaper i guess.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> What you get is a  high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i think.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Best regards ,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Norman van Wijnen
> >>>>> The Netherlands
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>>>>       Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>>>>                     Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>>> 
> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>> 
> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > 
> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com  Mon Aug 27 23:14:05 2012
From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:14:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000
	zxl and 700 zxl
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I'd rather have an accurate recreation of the original. That way we know it
works to spec. I'd be interested in "automated" only if it can be proved it
works as  good or better than the original.  I don't give a rat's a** if
the stuff we're dealing with is "1980s tech." It's about the sound, not
when it was made. I have some 1960s speaker tech (Bozak, Klipsch, AR) that
beats today's tech handily.

So what's the hold up on the gauge reissue? Any competent machinist could
have knocked these out -- to spec -- in a day or so.

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:04 AM, john taylor <jfj_taylor at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi Bala,
>            I for one would be interested in an automated version, put me
> down for one please.
>
> Best regards, John. PS just out of interest is there any progress /news on
> the remanufacturing nak gauges ?
>
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of
> 1000 zxl and 700 zxl
> > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
> > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:54:09 +1000
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> >
> > Would anyone be interested in an automated version?
> >
> > Bala
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Norman,
> > > If you can make this instrument it would be great.
> > >
> > > This instrument would need a display to show settings.
> > >
> > > If you have the first one ready it would be great if you would do a
> you tube Video to show it working.
> > >
> > > I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
> > > there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
> > >
> > > But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
> > >
> > > If you need 60$ to make the print more often, I will pay it.
> > >
> > > But all the calibration in your mail is set with a VTVM. and a screw
> driver.
> > > Maximum Bias
> > > Bias Trap
> > >
> > > The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
> > >
> > > I do not understand the Naka Manual from this instrument, because I
> don´t have the instrument.
> > >
> > > My fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D memory settings.
> > >
> > > kind regards
> > > Gerhard
> > > <L1006343.jpg>
> > >
> > >
> > > Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
> > >
> > >> Hi Gerhard,
> > >>
> > >> It is a part of the measurement and maintenance instruments mentioned
> on page
> > >> 12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
> > >> It is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the right
> modus for calibration of the auto calibration settings of the deck.
> > >>
> > >> As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
> > >> Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
> > >> Bias Trap (Record) Adjustment
> > >> Bias Current adjustment
> > >> Oscillator level adjustment
> > >> A/D offset converter frequency Response and level change measurement.
> > >>
> > >> I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
> > >> I deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables
> yourself. I have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL are
> difficult to buy? Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about this subject?
> > >>
> > >> But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can replace them
> with normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of course)
> > >>
> > >> If you look inside the service manual you can get a idea about the
> level of expertise you need to do the calibration job yourself.
> > >> I don't think, to be honest, that it is a easy job to perform but
> without the board the calibration (of a part of the 1000ZXL ) can't be done.
> > >>
> > >> Inside the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps
> before they speak about the use of the board and al these steps must be
> done with a perfect result otherwise the calibration would not give you a
> good result.
> > >>
> > >> Best regards ,
> > >>
> > >> Norman
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>> What will this PCB calibrating on a 1000ZXL ? How and
> > >>> where in the ZXL will it be connected to a ZXL ?
> > >>>
> > >>> Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
> > >>>
> > >>> regards
> > >>>
> > >>> Gerhard
> > >>> Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi Norman
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You can count on me :-)
> > >>>> I'm very interested on this project,
> > >>>> Please keeper me updated!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Wolfgang
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Naktalkers,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL
> decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059 (700ZXL).
> > >>>>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
> > >>>>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers
> maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping cost .
> That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands and the
> manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can distribute through a
> Naktalk member in the States?
> > >>>>> That should be cheaper i guess.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> What you get is a high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you
> have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i think.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Best regards ,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Norman van Wijnen
> > >>>>> The Netherlands
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> > >>>>>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > >>>>> Maintain your account here:
> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> > >>>>>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> > >>>>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > >>>> Maintain your account here:
> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> > >>>>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >>>
> > >>>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> > >>>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > >>> Maintain your account here:
> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> > >>>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> > >>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > >> Maintain your account here:
> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> > >>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >
> > >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> > >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > > Maintain your account here:
> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> > >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >
> >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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>



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From mikemaxcel at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 08:49:37 2012
From: mikemaxcel at gmail.com (Mikemaxcel)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:49:37 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL tracks discrepancy
Message-ID: <CAE8BBeE0vvtxzk5sMMzps1t27=_SFVg+1Z81KSffNqMxXSwshA@mail.gmail.com>

Here shown the track paths of the RL301 in Nak 700ZXL,
one from the PCB and the other from the SM,
I wonder which one is the correct one or both are correct.
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Tue Aug 28 13:51:25 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:51:25 -0300
Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of
	1000zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <CAJfi0wqB=YetXNWPwoJ0eNNpU3nEMQLE3YU80EgTeidDhpF64A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B134@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Hi Jerry,
I totally agree with you on most points, but isn't this rat's a** and what's holding up any machinist from making the gauges a "tad" too harsh for this forum? There isn't a true, solid market for these parts to vouch for a serious commitment to machining these parts for us all Naktalk. Wouldn't you agree?
A nice day to all true Hi Fi lovers!!!
Rodrigo Krause 

________________________________

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Mon Aug 27 18:14:05 2012
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and 700 zxl 


I'd rather have an accurate recreation of the original. That way we know it works to spec. I'd be interested in "automated" only if it can be proved it works as  good or better than the original.  I don't give a rat's a** if the stuff we're dealing with is "1980s tech." It's about the sound, not when it was made. I have some 1960s speaker tech (Bozak, Klipsch, AR) that beats today's tech handily. 

So what's the hold up on the gauge reissue? Any competent machinist could have knocked these out -- to spec -- in a day or so. 


On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:04 AM, john taylor <jfj_taylor at hotmail.com> wrote:


	Hi Bala,
	           I for one would be interested in an automated version, put me down for one please.
	 
	Best regards, John. PS just out of interest is there any progress /news on the remanufacturing nak gauges ?
	 
	
	> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000 zxl and 700 zxl
	> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
	> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:54:09 +1000
	> To: naktalk at naks.com
	> 
	
	> Would anyone be interested in an automated version? 
	> 
	> Bala 
	> 
	> Sent from my iPad
	> 
	> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
	> 
	> > Hi Norman,
	> > If you can make this instrument it would be great.
	> > 
	> > This instrument would need a display to show settings.
	> > 
	> > If you have the first one ready it would be great if you would do a you tube Video to show it working.
	> > 
	> > I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
	> > there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
	> > 
	> > But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
	> > 
	> > If you need 60$ to make the print more often, I will pay it.
	> > 
	> > But all the calibration in your mail is set with a VTVM. and a screw driver.
	> > Maximum Bias
	> > Bias Trap
	> > 
	> > The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
	> > 
	> > I do not understand the Naka Manual from this instrument, because I don´t have the instrument.
	> > 
	> > My fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D memory settings.
	> > 
	> > kind regards
	> > Gerhard
	> > <L1006343.jpg>
	> > 
	> > 
	> > Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
	> > 
	> >> Hi Gerhard,
	> >> 
	> >> It is a part of the measurement and maintenance instruments mentioned on page
	> >> 12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
	> >> It is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the right modus for calibration of the auto calibration settings of the deck.
	> >> 
	> >> As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
	> >> Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
	> >> Bias Trap (Record) Adjustment
	> >> Bias Current adjustment
	> >> Oscillator level adjustment
	> >> A/D offset converter frequency Response and level change measurement.
	> >> 
	> >> I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
	> >> I deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables yourself. I have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL are difficult to buy? Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about this subject?
	> >> 
	> >> But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can replace them with normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of course)
	> >> 
	> >> If you look inside the service manual you can get a idea about the level of expertise you need to do the calibration job yourself.
	> >> I don't think, to be honest, that it is a easy job to perform but without the board the calibration (of a part of the 1000ZXL ) can't be done.
	> >> 
	> >> Inside the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps before they speak about the use of the board and al these steps must be done with a perfect result otherwise the calibration would not give you a good result.
	> >> 
	> >> Best regards ,
	> >> 
	> >> Norman
	> >> 
	> >> 
	> >> 
	> >> 
	> >> 
	> >> 
	> >> 
	> >> 
	> >> Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:
	> >> 
	> >>> Hi,
	> >>> What will this PCB calibrating on a 1000ZXL ? How and
	> >>> where in the ZXL will it be connected to a ZXL ?
	> >>> 
	> >>> Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
	> >>> 
	> >>> regards
	> >>> 
	> >>> Gerhard
	> >>> Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:
	> >>> 
	> >>>> Hi Norman
	> >>>> 
	> >>>> You can count on me :-)
	> >>>> I'm very interested on this project,
	> >>>> Please keeper me updated!
	> >>>> 
	> >>>> Wolfgang
	> >>>> 
	> >>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
	> >>>> 
	> >>>> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
	> >>>> 
	> >>>>> Hi Naktalkers,
	> >>>>> 
	> >>>>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059 (700ZXL).
	> >>>>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
	> >>>>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can distribute through a Naktalk member in the States?
	> >>>>> That should be cheaper i guess.
	> >>>>> 
	> >>>>> What you get is a high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i think.
	> >>>>> 
	> >>>>> 
	> >>>>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
	> >>>>> 
	> >>>>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
	> >>>>> 
	> >>>>> Best regards ,
	> >>>>> 
	> >>>>> Norman van Wijnen
	> >>>>> The Netherlands
	> >>>>> 
	> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	> >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
	> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	> >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
	> >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
	> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	> >>>> 
	> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	> >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
	> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
	> >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
	> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	> >>> 
	> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	> >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
	> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
	> >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
	> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	> >>> 
	> >> 
	> >> 
	> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
	> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
	> >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
	> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	> > 
	> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
	> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
	> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
	> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	> 
	> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
	> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
	> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
	> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
	

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	========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From jfj_taylor at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 28 15:00:32 2012
From: jfj_taylor at hotmail.com (john taylor)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:00:32 +0100
Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration
	of 1000zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B134@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
References: <CAJfi0wqB=YetXNWPwoJ0eNNpU3nEMQLE3YU80EgTeidDhpF64A@mail.gmail.com>,
	<382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B134@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
Message-ID: <BLU157-W2218520A796141ADB62DAEEBA10@phx.gbl>


Hi Rodrigo,                does this mean that project to remanufacture these gauges has fallen by the wayside or is it progressing ? Regards, John.
 Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of	1000zxl and 700 zxl
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:51:25 -0300
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br
To: naktalk at naks.com


Hi Jerry,
I totally agree with you on most points, but isn't this rat's a** and what's holding up any machinist from making the gauges a "tad" too harsh for this forum? There isn't a true, solid market for these parts to vouch for a serious commitment to machining these parts for us all Naktalk. Wouldn't you agree?
A nice day to all true Hi Fi lovers!!!
Rodrigo Krause 



De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com>

Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>

Enviada em: Mon Aug 27 18:14:05 2012
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and 700 zxl



I'd rather have an accurate recreation of the original. That way we know it works to spec. I'd be interested in "automated" only if it can be proved it works as  good or better than the original.  I don't give a rat's a** if the stuff we're dealing with is "1980s tech." It's about the sound, not when it was made. I have some 1960s speaker tech (Bozak, Klipsch, AR) that beats today's tech handily. 

So what's the hold up on the gauge reissue? Any competent machinist could have knocked these out -- to spec -- in a day or so. 

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:04 AM, john taylor <jfj_taylor at hotmail.com> wrote:








Hi Bala,
           I for one would be interested in an automated version, put me down for one please.
 
Best regards, John. PS just out of interest is there any progress /news on the remanufacturing nak gauges ?

 
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000	zxl and 700 zxl
> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com

> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:54:09 +1000
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> 
> Would anyone be interested in an automated version? 

> 
> Bala 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> > Hi Norman,
> > If you can make this instrument it would be great.
> > 
> > This instrument would need a display to show settings.
> > 
> > If you have the first one  ready  it would be great if you would do a you tube Video to show it working.

> > 
> > I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
> >  there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
> > 
> > But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?

> > 
> > If you need 60$ to make the print  more often,  I will pay it.
> > 
> > But all the calibration in your mail is set with  a VTVM. and a screw driver.
> > Maximum Bias

> > Bias Trap
> > 
> > The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
> > 
> > I do not understand  the  Naka Manual from this instrument, because I don´t  have the instrument.

> > 
> > My  fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D  memory settings.
> > 
> > kind regards
> > Gerhard
> > <L1006343.jpg>
> > 
> > 
> > Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:

> > 
> >> Hi Gerhard,
> >> 
> >> It is a part of the measurement and maintenance instruments mentioned on page
> >> 12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
> >> It is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the right modus for calibration of the auto calibration settings of the deck.

> >> 
> >> As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
> >> Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
> >> Bias Trap (Record) Adjustment
> >> Bias Current adjustment
> >> Oscillator level adjustment

> >> A/D offset converter frequency Response and level change measurement.
> >> 
> >> I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
> >> I deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables yourself. I have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL are difficult to buy? Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about this subject?

> >> 
> >> But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can replace them with normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of course)
> >> 
> >> If you look inside the service manual you can get a idea about the level of expertise you need to do the calibration job yourself.

> >> I don't think, to be honest, that it is a easy job to perform but without the board the calibration (of a part of the 1000ZXL ) can't be done.
> >> 
> >> Inside the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps before they speak about the use of the board and al these steps must be done with a perfect result otherwise the calibration would not give you a good result.

> >> 
> >> Best regards ,
> >> 
> >> Norman
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 

> >> Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:
> >> 
> >>> Hi,
> >>> What will  this PCB calibrating  on a 1000ZXL ? How and

> >>> where in the ZXL will it be connected  to a ZXL ?
> >>> 
> >>> Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
> >>> 
> >>> regards
> >>> 

> >>> Gerhard
> >>> Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:
> >>> 
> >>>> Hi Norman
> >>>> 
> >>>> You can count on me :-)

> >>>> I'm very interested on this project,
> >>>> Please keeper me updated!
> >>>> 
> >>>> Wolfgang
> >>>> 
> >>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet

> >>>> 
> >>>> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Hi Naktalkers,

> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059 (700ZXL).
> >>>>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.

> >>>>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can distribute through a Naktalk member in the States?

> >>>>> That should be cheaper i guess.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> What you get is a  high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i think.

> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com

> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Best regards ,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Norman van Wijnen
> >>>>> The Netherlands
> >>>>> 

> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> >>> 
> >> 
> >> 
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> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > 
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Aug 28 15:11:22 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:11:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000 
	zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <CAJfi0wqB=YetXNWPwoJ0eNNpU3nEMQLE3YU80EgTeidDhpF64A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120813211325.44865qsk3c85ma88@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<4565F9BD-67A8-49B2-9DD8-4DCD25D033C0@chello.at>
	<ED50C7F8-1349-457E-A777-924912D57F01@gmail.com>
	<20120814151448.13616s1d1df8t18g@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<27EF51E3-7940-4611-BBAC-F24E09C9E035@gmail.com>
	<15FA80C1-08A6-4C75-B01D-322F576EAFAC@yahoo.com>
	<BLU157-W34C7DA8D80A1A359AA2BC6EBA20@phx.gbl>
	<CAJfi0wqB=YetXNWPwoJ0eNNpU3nEMQLE3YU80EgTeidDhpF64A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65fed4eb097c20a5a72d7195388d88bc.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

I don't know why someone's good intentions would have to be bombarded with
such words, you prefer not to use the automated version which is just
fine.

Wouter

> I'd rather have an accurate recreation of the original. That way we know
> it
> works to spec. I'd be interested in "automated" only if it can be proved
> it
> works as  good or better than the original.  I don't give a rat's a** if
> the stuff we're dealing with is "1980s tech." It's about the sound, not
> when it was made. I have some 1960s speaker tech (Bozak, Klipsch, AR) that
> beats today's tech handily.
>
> So what's the hold up on the gauge reissue? Any competent machinist could
> have knocked these out -- to spec -- in a day or so.
>




From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Tue Aug 28 17:56:19 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:56:19 -0300
Subject: RES: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for
	calibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl
In-Reply-To: <BLU157-W2218520A796141ADB62DAEEBA10@phx.gbl>
References: <CAJfi0wqB=YetXNWPwoJ0eNNpU3nEMQLE3YU80EgTeidDhpF64A@mail.gmail.com>,
	<382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B134@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
	<BLU157-W2218520A796141ADB62DAEEBA10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC404F59C34@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Quite frankly, I don´t know. The talks were focused primarily on the automated adjustment boards...

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de john taylor
Enviada em: terça-feira, 28 de agosto de 2012 10:01
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: RE: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl

 

Hi Rodrigo,
                does this mean that project to remanufacture these gauges has fallen by the wayside or is it progressing ?
 
Regards, John.
 

________________________________

Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and 700 zxl
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:51:25 -0300
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br
To: naktalk at naks.com

Hi Jerry,
I totally agree with you on most points, but isn't this rat's a** and what's holding up any machinist from making the gauges a "tad" too harsh for this forum? There isn't a true, solid market for these parts to vouch for a serious commitment to machining these parts for us all Naktalk. Wouldn't you agree?
A nice day to all true Hi Fi lovers!!!
Rodrigo Krause 

 

________________________________

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Mon Aug 27 18:14:05 2012
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and 700 zxl 

I'd rather have an accurate recreation of the original. That way we know it works to spec. I'd be interested in "automated" only if it can be proved it works as  good or better than the original.  I don't give a rat's a** if the stuff we're dealing with is "1980s tech." It's about the sound, not when it was made. I have some 1960s speaker tech (Bozak, Klipsch, AR) that beats today's tech handily. 

 

So what's the hold up on the gauge reissue? Any competent machinist could have knocked these out -- to spec -- in a day or so. 

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:04 AM, john taylor <jfj_taylor at hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Bala,
           I for one would be interested in an automated version, put me down for one please.
 
Best regards, John. PS just out of interest is there any progress /news on the remanufacturing nak gauges ?
 

> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000 zxl and 700 zxl
> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:54:09 +1000
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> 

> Would anyone be interested in an automated version? 
> 
> Bala 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Norman,
> > If you can make this instrument it would be great.
> > 
> > This instrument would need a display to show settings.
> > 
> > If you have the first one ready it would be great if you would do a you tube Video to show it working.
> > 
> > I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
> > there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
> > 
> > But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
> > 
> > If you need 60$ to make the print more often, I will pay it.
> > 
> > But all the calibration in your mail is set with a VTVM. and a screw driver.
> > Maximum Bias
> > Bias Trap
> > 
> > The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
> > 
> > I do not understand the Naka Manual from this instrument, because I don´t have the instrument.
> > 
> > My fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D memory settings.
> > 
> > kind regards
> > Gerhard
> > <L1006343.jpg>
> > 
> > 
> > Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
> > 
> >> Hi Gerhard,
> >> 
> >> It is a part of the measurement and maintenance instruments mentioned on page
> >> 12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
> >> It is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the right modus for calibration of the auto calibration settings of the deck.
> >> 
> >> As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
> >> Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
> >> Bias Trap (Record) Adjustment
> >> Bias Current adjustment
> >> Oscillator level adjustment
> >> A/D offset converter frequency Response and level change measurement.
> >> 
> >> I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
> >> I deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables yourself. I have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL are difficult to buy? Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about this subject?
> >> 
> >> But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can replace them with normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of course)
> >> 
> >> If you look inside the service manual you can get a idea about the level of expertise you need to do the calibration job yourself.
> >> I don't think, to be honest, that it is a easy job to perform but without the board the calibration (of a part of the 1000ZXL ) can't be done.
> >> 
> >> Inside the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps before they speak about the use of the board and al these steps must be done with a perfect result otherwise the calibration would not give you a good result.
> >> 
> >> Best regards ,
> >> 
> >> Norman
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:
> >> 
> >>> Hi,
> >>> What will this PCB calibrating on a 1000ZXL ? How and
> >>> where in the ZXL will it be connected to a ZXL ?
> >>> 
> >>> Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
> >>> 
> >>> regards
> >>> 
> >>> Gerhard
> >>> Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:
> >>> 
> >>>> Hi Norman
> >>>> 
> >>>> You can count on me :-)
> >>>> I'm very interested on this project,
> >>>> Please keeper me updated!
> >>>> 
> >>>> Wolfgang
> >>>> 
> >>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
> >>>> 
> >>>> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Hi Naktalkers,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059 (700ZXL).
> >>>>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
> >>>>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can distribute through a Naktalk member in the States?
> >>>>> That should be cheaper i guess.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> What you get is a high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i think.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Best regards ,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Norman van Wijnen
> >>>>> The Netherlands
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>>> 
> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>> 
> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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> >>> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> > 
> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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Jerry McPhail
McPhail & Dunn Photography

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From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 21:06:50 2012
From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:06:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000
	zxl and 700 zxl
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References: <CAJfi0wrrFYp2ErGgERRyB8jjtZyVaKfgfXA1MBp+9Hfs9CXWJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJfi0wrf3TqFKMPnEnzxmv3uCWHKN_RXRuEEvcOuSSKWJvMazQ@mail.gmail.com>

Fair enough, I do apologize. Rereading the message it comes off way way
more harsh than I actually intended to. Sorry about that guys, I really
meant no animosity.

It doesn't really need to be much demand for gauges, as I said any
competent machinist could reproduce any kind of tool In a day, a week at
the most let's say. Granted, if they're being made wanted a time there
going to be quite costly, but these are precision gauges they will probably
costly in the day.
On Tuesday, August 28, 2012, Jerry McPhail wrote:

>
>
> On Tuesday, August 28, 2012, Rodrigo Krause wrote:
>
>> Quite frankly, I don´t know. The talks were focused primarily on the
>> automated adjustment boards…****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *De:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *Em
>> nome de *john taylor
>> *Enviada em:* terça-feira, 28 de agosto de 2012 10:01
>> *Para:* naktalk at naks.com
>> *Assunto:* RE: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for
>> calibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Hi Rodrigo,
>>                 does this mean that project to remanufacture these
>> gauges has fallen by the wayside or is it progressing ?
>>
>> Regards, John.
>>  ****
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration
>> of 1000zxl and 700 zxl
>> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:51:25 -0300
>> From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br
>> To: naktalk at naks.com****
>>
>> Hi Jerry,
>> I totally agree with you on most points, but isn't this rat's a** and
>> what's holding up any machinist from making the gauges a "tad" too harsh
>> for this forum? There isn't a true, solid market for these parts to vouch
>> for a serious commitment to machining these parts for us all Naktalk.
>> Wouldn't you agree?
>> A nice day to all true Hi Fi lovers!!!
>> Rodrigo Krause ****
>>
>> ** **
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *De*: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com>
>> *Para*: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> *Enviada em*: Mon Aug 27 18:14:05 2012
>> *Assunto*: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of
>> 1000zxl and 700 zxl ****
>>
>> I'd rather have an accurate recreation of the original. That way we know
>> it works to spec. I'd be interested in "automated" only if it can be proved
>> it works as  good or better than the original.  I don't give a rat's a** if
>> the stuff we're dealing with is "1980s tech." It's about the sound, not
>> when it was made. I have some 1960s speaker tech (Bozak, Klipsch, AR) that
>> beats today's tech handily. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> So what's the hold up on the gauge reissue? Any competent machinist could
>> have knocked these out -- to spec -- in a day or so. ****
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:04 AM, john taylor <jfj_taylor at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:****
>>
>> Hi Bala,
>>            I for one would be interested in an automated version, put me
>> down for one please.
>>
>> Best regards, John. PS just out of interest is there any progress /news
>> on the remanufacturing nak gauges ?
>>  ****
>>
>> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of
>> 1000 zxl and 700 zxl
>> > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
>> > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:54:09 +1000
>> > To:
>>
>> Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou
>> de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do
>> remetente.
>>
>> Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por  engano, por favor, nos informe
>> respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a.
>>
>> A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras
>> informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios.
>>
>>

-- 
Jerry McPhail
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 28 22:55:06 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 06:55:06 +1000
Subject: RES: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for
	calibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl
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The purpose of the automated system is so that we don't have to use the look up chart in the SM and keep flipping toggle switches but let a system put the computer in the correct modes while we focus on the calibration aspects. 

While I like to keep the decks original in many aspects, there are also several areas where the different models allow for interesting ideas. Some might recall me having controlled a ZXL via USB some years ago. It would be nice if we can control the other decks in a similar manner using wifi like the Apple TV  (through FireCore ) or some newer audio equipment. 

The preservation of the originality of the equipment and the sound quality is paramount here but seriously guys, we are not in the antique business here. Nakamichi's ethos seems to be development and pushing boundaries and it's only right we keep that spirit alive. 

I feel a little afraid that from an exciting the thriving hobby, Nakaphiles are becoming a partisan group with "I have xyz number of so many decks and I flung so much money into getting my decks done" talk. I seriously encourage more members to come forward for more discussion. 

There's also too many people trying to monetize Naks and that's some times sickening. We have to loosen the boundaries and encourage more talk. Come on guys! Get your tape heads clean and let's get our own heads a'rollin! 

Bala

Sent from my iPad

On 29 Aug, 2012, at 1:56 AM, "Rodrigo Krause" <rkrause at multiplan.com.br> wrote:

> Quite frankly, I don´t know. The talks were focused primarily on the automated adjustment boards…
>  
> De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de john taylor
> Enviada em: terça-feira, 28 de agosto de 2012 10:01
> Para: naktalk at naks.com
> Assunto: RE: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl
>  
> Hi Rodrigo,
>                 does this mean that project to remanufacture these gauges has fallen by the wayside or is it progressing ?
>  
> Regards, John.
>  
> Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and 700 zxl
> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:51:25 -0300
> From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> 
> Hi Jerry,
> I totally agree with you on most points, but isn't this rat's a** and what's holding up any machinist from making the gauges a "tad" too harsh for this forum? There isn't a true, solid market for these parts to vouch for a serious commitment to machining these parts for us all Naktalk. Wouldn't you agree?
> A nice day to all true Hi Fi lovers!!!
> Rodrigo Krause
>  
> De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
> Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Enviada em: Mon Aug 27 18:14:05 2012
> Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and 700 zxl
> 
> I'd rather have an accurate recreation of the original. That way we know it works to spec. I'd be interested in "automated" only if it can be proved it works as  good or better than the original.  I don't give a rat's a** if the stuff we're dealing with is "1980s tech." It's about the sound, not when it was made. I have some 1960s speaker tech (Bozak, Klipsch, AR) that beats today's tech handily. 
>  
> So what's the hold up on the gauge reissue? Any competent machinist could have knocked these out -- to spec -- in a day or so. 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:04 AM, john taylor <jfj_taylor at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Bala,
>            I for one would be interested in an automated version, put me down for one please.
>  
> Best regards, John. PS just out of interest is there any progress /news on the remanufacturing nak gauges ?
>  
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000 zxl and 700 zxl
> > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
> > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:54:09 +1000
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> >
> > Would anyone be interested in an automated version? 
> > 
> > Bala 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> > On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Norman,
> > > If you can make this instrument it would be great.
> > > 
> > > This instrument would need a display to show settings.
> > > 
> > > If you have the first one ready it would be great if you would do a you tube Video to show it working.
> > > 
> > > I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
> > > there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
> > > 
> > > But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
> > > 
> > > If you need 60$ to make the print more often, I will pay it.
> > > 
> > > But all the calibration in your mail is set with a VTVM. and a screw driver.
> > > Maximum Bias
> > > Bias Trap
> > > 
> > > The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
> > > 
> > > I do not understand the Naka Manual from this instrument, because I don´t have the instrument.
> > > 
> > > My fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D memory settings.
> > > 
> > > kind regards
> > > Gerhard
> > > <L1006343.jpg>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
> > > 
> > >> Hi Gerhard,
> > >> 
> > >> It is a part of the measurement and maintenance instruments mentioned on page
> > >> 12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
> > >> It is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the right modus for calibration of the auto calibration settings of the deck.
> > >> 
> > >> As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
> > >> Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
> > >> Bias Trap (Record) Adjustment
> > >> Bias Current adjustment
> > >> Oscillator level adjustment
> > >> A/D offset converter frequency Response and level change measurement.
> > >> 
> > >> I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
> > >> I deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables yourself. I have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL are difficult to buy? Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about this subject?
> > >> 
> > >> But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can replace them with normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of course)
> > >> 
> > >> If you look inside the service manual you can get a idea about the level of expertise you need to do the calibration job yourself.
> > >> I don't think, to be honest, that it is a easy job to perform but without the board the calibration (of a part of the 1000ZXL ) can't be done.
> > >> 
> > >> Inside the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps before they speak about the use of the board and al these steps must be done with a perfect result otherwise the calibration would not give you a good result.
> > >> 
> > >> Best regards ,
> > >> 
> > >> Norman
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:
> > >> 
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>> What will this PCB calibrating on a 1000ZXL ? How and
> > >>> where in the ZXL will it be connected to a ZXL ?
> > >>> 
> > >>> Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
> > >>> 
> > >>> regards
> > >>> 
> > >>> Gerhard
> > >>> Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:
> > >>> 
> > >>>> Hi Norman
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> You can count on me :-)
> > >>>> I'm very interested on this project,
> > >>>> Please keeper me updated!
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Wolfgang
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>> Hi Naktalkers,
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059 (700ZXL).
> > >>>>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
> > >>>>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can distribute through a Naktalk member in the States?
> > >>>>> That should be cheaper i guess.
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> What you get is a high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i think.
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> Best regards ,
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> Norman van Wijnen
> > >>>>> The Netherlands
> > >>>>> 
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>  
> -- 
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From Philip.Stone at imail.org  Wed Aug 29 00:31:04 2012
From: Philip.Stone at imail.org (Philip Stone)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:31:04 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505
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Rodrigo,

Did you ever get help with this?

Phil

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Krause
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:12 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RES: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505

Good afternoon Fred,

Sorry to Just cold call your email you like this, but as a follower, a Nakamichi and hi fi devotee and an active reader of Naktalk and your comments, I thought I´d be bold and ask for your help off line. As an expert technician, I´d appreciate if you could give me some insight on the following issue.

I live in Brazil and come to the US quite frequently (job related travelling) and bring back stereo vintage I buy on eBay and other sources. Occasionally I buy locally, here in Brazil, and that´s when I get screwed (forgive me for my French...!). I bought a r2r Akai 1730 which happens to have a faulty motor. It starts up well and after a while it heats up and slows down or even stops. According to my local technician, the motor heats up and loses traction power. He says it cannot be fixed (which incidentally is my first question) and that he will search for a replacement.

So, in your opinion, if you have one, is it theoretically possible to repair the motor? Is it worth it?
Or,
Should I make my life easier (and stop wasting your time) by simply buying a cheap parts-only similar deck and hope the motor is working or are these motors easily bought in the US?

Thank you in advance for any advice you may share with me.

Best regards,

Rodrigo Krause


De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com<mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Fred Longworth
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 6 de julho de 2011 02:43
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505

CT,

Google tells me that your post is being sent from an unauthenticated gmail account. Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but Google has sent me separate warnings for two of your posts.

So, I'm not sure that the problem is with Naktalk per se. You might check into whether your ISP has a problem, or whether your gmail account has been compromised.

Best,

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com<http://www.repairaudio.com>

* * * * *
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com<mailto:ct.waveform at googlemail.com>> wrote:
This is OT but I am getting absurd responses from the Naktalk server saying that I am not a member and other things.  I also can't get through to Julie Kessler which I have wanted to do for a few days now.  At the moment it feels like I may as well be dead for all the response I am getting.  Could Willy or someone else please reglee my account so I feel like a human being again.  And could I please just make this post available so that Julie knows that I have tried to reply.  (Possibly not this time with an offer of marriage, though I have found no reason so far to put me off.  The Dragon talk was quite fun - someone said we do end up marrying dragons - which I can't disagree with.)

Best wishes

CT

On 3 July 2011 00:07, MichaelG. <eidling at gmail.com<mailto:eidling at gmail.com>> wrote:
So I have since learned...

Willly - you are everywhere!  In a separate e-mail I sent you my information.  When I hear back from you I will box and ship the rx-505.  It definitely "groans" a bit when it stops.

What is your opinion of this model?  I've always tended to avoid complicated things - I've always thought there will just be more things to go wrong, but it is a nice deck.  I'm not sure that it sounds significantly different from my BX-2 which Nakamichi serviced and then saw little use, but perhaps that is just because the RX-505 needs to be properly set up, adjusted, etc.

thanks again,

Michael
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com<mailto:willy at willyhermannservices.com>> wrote:
It's not broken.  It works only in record mode.  Load a tape, press record and pause, feed it some source information and set your levels.  Then press the "Fader Down" button and you'll see the sound decrease to zero and the lights change.

Willy
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, MichaelG. <eidling at gmail.com<mailto:eidling at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi - Can anyone tell me how to fix this?

thanks!

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From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:40:12 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505
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Replace the starting capacitor and check the belt. Had a similar problem on a 1710 many many years ago. 

Bala 

Sent from my iPhone

On 29/08/2012, at 8:31 AM, Philip Stone <Philip.Stone at imail.org> wrote:

> Rodrigo,
>  
> Did you ever get help with this?
>  
> Phil
>  
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Krause
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:12 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RES: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505
>  
> Good afternoon Fred,
>  
> Sorry to Just cold call your email you like this, but as a follower, a Nakamichi and hi fi devotee and an active reader of Naktalk and your comments, I thought I´d be bold and ask for your help off line. As an expert technician, I´d appreciate if you could give me some insight on the following issue.
>  
> I live in Brazil and come to the US quite frequently (job related travelling) and bring back stereo vintage I buy on eBay and other sources. Occasionally I buy locally, here in Brazil, and that´s when I get screwed (forgive me for my French…!). I bought a r2r Akai 1730 which happens to have a faulty motor. It starts up well and after a while it heats up and slows down or even stops. According to my local technician, the motor heats up and loses traction power. He says it cannot be fixed (which incidentally is my first question) and that he will search for a replacement.
>  
> So, in your opinion, if you have one, is it theoretically possible to repair the motor? Is it worth it?
> Or,
> Should I make my life easier (and stop wasting your time) by simply buying a cheap parts-only similar deck and hope the motor is working or are these motors easily bought in the US?
>  
> Thank you in advance for any advice you may share with me.
>  
> Best regards,
>  
> Rodrigo Krause
>  
>  
> De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Fred Longworth
> Enviada em: quarta-feira, 6 de julho de 2011 02:43
> Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Assunto: Re: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505
>  
> CT,
> 
> Google tells me that your post is being sent from an unauthenticated gmail account. Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but Google has sent me separate warnings for two of your posts.
> 
> So, I'm not sure that the problem is with Naktalk per se. You might check into whether your ISP has a problem, or whether your gmail account has been compromised.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Fred
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
> 
> * * * * *
> 
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote:
> This is OT but I am getting absurd responses from the Naktalk server saying that I am not a member and other things.  I also can't get through to Julie Kessler which I have wanted to do for a few days now.  At the moment it feels like I may as well be dead for all the response I am getting.  Could Willy or someone else please reglee my account so I feel like a human being again.  And could I please just make this post available so that Julie knows that I have tried to reply.  (Possibly not this time with an offer of marriage, though I have found no reason so far to put me off.  The Dragon talk was quite fun - someone said we do end up marrying dragons - which I can't disagree with.)
>  
> Best wishes
>  
> CT
>  
> 
> On 3 July 2011 00:07, MichaelG. <eidling at gmail.com> wrote:
> So I have since learned...
>  
> Willly - you are everywhere!  In a separate e-mail I sent you my information.  When I hear back from you I will box and ship the rx-505.  It definitely "groans" a bit when it stops.
>  
> What is your opinion of this model?  I've always tended to avoid complicated things - I've always thought there will just be more things to go wrong, but it is a nice deck.  I'm not sure that it sounds significantly different from my BX-2 which Nakamichi serviced and then saw little use, but perhaps that is just because the RX-505 needs to be properly set up, adjusted, etc.
>  
> thanks again,
>  
> Michael
> 
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:
> It's not broken.  It works only in record mode.  Load a tape, press record and pause, feed it some source information and set your levels.  Then press the "Fader Down" button and you'll see the sound decrease to zero and the lights change.
>  
> Willy
> 
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, MichaelG. <eidling at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi - Can anyone tell me how to fix this?
>  
> thanks!
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From jfj_taylor at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 29 08:45:34 2012
From: jfj_taylor at hotmail.com (john taylor)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 07:45:34 +0100
Subject: RES: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for
	calibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl
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Hi Rodrigo,                on the wiki theres a picture of a disassembled stroke gauge ready to be copied I presume but that was posted some time ago. I've been looking to buy the following gaugesEH Tilt check gauge (DA09088A)Tape guide height check gauge S (DA09091A)Stroke  check gauge M-9047 if anyone could help locating these or have any of these to sell perhaps they could contact me. Best regards, John.
 Subject: RES: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for	calibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:56:19 -0300
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br
To: naktalk at naks.com


Quite frankly, I don´t know. The talks were focused primarily on the automated adjustment boards… De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de john taylor
Enviada em: terça-feira, 28 de agosto de 2012 10:01
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: RE: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl Hi Rodrigo,
                does this mean that project to remanufacture these gauges has fallen by the wayside or is it progressing ?
 
Regards, John.
 Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and 700 zxl
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:51:25 -0300
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br
To: naktalk at naks.comHi Jerry,
I totally agree with you on most points, but isn't this rat's a** and what's holding up any machinist from making the gauges a "tad" too harsh for this forum? There isn't a true, solid market for these parts to vouch for a serious commitment to machining these parts for us all Naktalk. Wouldn't you agree?
A nice day to all true Hi Fi lovers!!!
Rodrigo Krause  De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Mon Aug 27 18:14:05 2012
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and 700 zxl I'd rather have an accurate recreation of the original. That way we know it works to spec. I'd be interested in "automated" only if it can be proved it works as  good or better than the original.  I don't give a rat's a** if the stuff we're dealing with is "1980s tech." It's about the sound, not when it was made. I have some 1960s speaker tech (Bozak, Klipsch, AR) that beats today's tech handily.  So what's the hold up on the gauge reissue? Any competent machinist could have knocked these out -- to spec -- in a day or so. On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:04 AM, john taylor <jfj_taylor at hotmail.com> wrote:Hi Bala,
           I for one would be interested in an automated version, put me down for one please.
 
Best regards, John. PS just out of interest is there any progress /news on the remanufacturing nak gauges ?
 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000 zxl and 700 zxl
> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:54:09 +1000
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Would anyone be interested in an automated version? 
> 
> Bala 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Norman,
> > If you can make this instrument it would be great.
> > 
> > This instrument would need a display to show settings.
> > 
> > If you have the first one ready it would be great if you would do a you tube Video to show it working.
> > 
> > I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
> > there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
> > 
> > But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
> > 
> > If you need 60$ to make the print more often, I will pay it.
> > 
> > But all the calibration in your mail is set with a VTVM. and a screw driver.
> > Maximum Bias
> > Bias Trap
> > 
> > The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
> > 
> > I do not understand the Naka Manual from this instrument, because I don´t have the instrument.
> > 
> > My fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D memory settings.
> > 
> > kind regards
> > Gerhard
> > <L1006343.jpg>
> > 
> > 
> > Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
> > 
> >> Hi Gerhard,
> >> 
> >> It is a part of the measurement and maintenance instruments mentioned on page
> >> 12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
> >> It is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the right modus for calibration of the auto calibration settings of the deck.
> >> 
> >> As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
> >> Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
> >> Bias Trap (Record) Adjustment
> >> Bias Current adjustment
> >> Oscillator level adjustment
> >> A/D offset converter frequency Response and level change measurement.
> >> 
> >> I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
> >> I deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables yourself. I have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL are difficult to buy? Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about this subject?
> >> 
> >> But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can replace them with normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of course)
> >> 
> >> If you look inside the service manual you can get a idea about the level of expertise you need to do the calibration job yourself.
> >> I don't think, to be honest, that it is a easy job to perform but without the board the calibration (of a part of the 1000ZXL ) can't be done.
> >> 
> >> Inside the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps before they speak about the use of the board and al these steps must be done with a perfect result otherwise the calibration would not give you a good result.
> >> 
> >> Best regards ,
> >> 
> >> Norman
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:
> >> 
> >>> Hi,
> >>> What will this PCB calibrating on a 1000ZXL ? How and
> >>> where in the ZXL will it be connected to a ZXL ?
> >>> 
> >>> Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
> >>> 
> >>> regards
> >>> 
> >>> Gerhard
> >>> Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:
> >>> 
> >>>> Hi Norman
> >>>> 
> >>>> You can count on me :-)
> >>>> I'm very interested on this project,
> >>>> Please keeper me updated!
> >>>> 
> >>>> Wolfgang
> >>>> 
> >>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
> >>>> 
> >>>> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Hi Naktalkers,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059 (700ZXL).
> >>>>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
> >>>>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can distribute through a Naktalk member in the States?
> >>>>> That should be cheaper i guess.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> What you get is a high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i think.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Best regards ,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Norman van Wijnen
> >>>>> The Netherlands
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Wed Aug 29 02:34:31 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:34:31 -0600
Subject: RES: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb
	forcalibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl
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Well said Bala :)  I am with you in that I am most concerned about getting the best performance out of my deck (original parts or not) and don't look at things the same way as a "collector" might. The difference in attitudes seems to split the group a bit but I do think we should all try to get along since there aren't a lot of us in either camp.

Cheers,
Rainer   
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bala Ganesh 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:55 PM
  Subject: Re: RES: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb forcalibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl


  The purpose of the automated system is so that we don't have to use the look up chart in the SM and keep flipping toggle switches but let a system put the computer in the correct modes while we focus on the calibration aspects. 


  While I like to keep the decks original in many aspects, there are also several areas where the different models allow for interesting ideas. Some might recall me having controlled a ZXL via USB some years ago. It would be nice if we can control the other decks in a similar manner using wifi like the Apple TV  (through FireCore ) or some newer audio equipment. 


  The preservation of the originality of the equipment and the sound quality is paramount here but seriously guys, we are not in the antique business here. Nakamichi's ethos seems to be development and pushing boundaries and it's only right we keep that spirit alive. 


  I feel a little afraid that from an exciting the thriving hobby, Nakaphiles are becoming a partisan group with "I have xyz number of so many decks and I flung so much money into getting my decks done" talk. I seriously encourage more members to come forward for more discussion. 


  There's also too many people trying to monetize Naks and that's some times sickening. We have to loosen the boundaries and encourage more talk. Come on guys! Get your tape heads clean and let's get our own heads a'rollin! 


  Bala

  Sent from my iPad

  On 29 Aug, 2012, at 1:56 AM, "Rodrigo Krause" <rkrause at multiplan.com.br> wrote:


    Quite frankly, I don´t know. The talks were focused primarily on the automated adjustment boards…



    De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de john taylor
    Enviada em: terça-feira, 28 de agosto de 2012 10:01
    Para: naktalk at naks.com
    Assunto: RE: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl



    Hi Rodrigo,
                    does this mean that project to remanufacture these gauges has fallen by the wayside or is it progressing ?
     
    Regards, John.
     


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    Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and 700 zxl
    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:51:25 -0300
    From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br
    To: naktalk at naks.com

    Hi Jerry,
    I totally agree with you on most points, but isn't this rat's a** and what's holding up any machinist from making the gauges a "tad" too harsh for this forum? There isn't a true, solid market for these parts to vouch for a serious commitment to machining these parts for us all Naktalk. Wouldn't you agree?
    A nice day to all true Hi Fi lovers!!!
    Rodrigo Krause 




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    De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
    Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
    Enviada em: Mon Aug 27 18:14:05 2012
    Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and 700 zxl 

    I'd rather have an accurate recreation of the original. That way we know it works to spec. I'd be interested in "automated" only if it can be proved it works as  good or better than the original.  I don't give a rat's a** if the stuff we're dealing with is "1980s tech." It's about the sound, not when it was made. I have some 1960s speaker tech (Bozak, Klipsch, AR) that beats today's tech handily. 



    So what's the hold up on the gauge reissue? Any competent machinist could have knocked these out -- to spec -- in a day or so. 

    On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:04 AM, john taylor <jfj_taylor at hotmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bala,
               I for one would be interested in an automated version, put me down for one please.
     
    Best regards, John. PS just out of interest is there any progress /news on the remanufacturing nak gauges ?
     

    > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000 zxl and 700 zxl
    > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
    > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:54:09 +1000
    > To: naktalk at naks.com
    > 

    > Would anyone be interested in an automated version? 
    > 
    > Bala 
    > 
    > Sent from my iPad
    > 
    > On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
    > 
    > > Hi Norman,
    > > If you can make this instrument it would be great.
    > > 
    > > This instrument would need a display to show settings.
    > > 
    > > If you have the first one ready it would be great if you would do a you tube Video to show it working.
    > > 
    > > I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
    > > there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
    > > 
    > > But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
    > > 
    > > If you need 60$ to make the print more often, I will pay it.
    > > 
    > > But all the calibration in your mail is set with a VTVM. and a screw driver.
    > > Maximum Bias
    > > Bias Trap
    > > 
    > > The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
    > > 
    > > I do not understand the Naka Manual from this instrument, because I don´t have the instrument.
    > > 
    > > My fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D memory settings.
    > > 
    > > kind regards
    > > Gerhard
    > > <L1006343.jpg>
    > > 
    > > 
    > > Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
    > > 
    > >> Hi Gerhard,
    > >> 
    > >> It is a part of the measurement and maintenance instruments mentioned on page
    > >> 12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
    > >> It is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the right modus for calibration of the auto calibration settings of the deck.
    > >> 
    > >> As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
    > >> Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
    > >> Bias Trap (Record) Adjustment
    > >> Bias Current adjustment
    > >> Oscillator level adjustment
    > >> A/D offset converter frequency Response and level change measurement.
    > >> 
    > >> I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
    > >> I deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables yourself. I have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL are difficult to buy? Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about this subject?
    > >> 
    > >> But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can replace them with normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of course)
    > >> 
    > >> If you look inside the service manual you can get a idea about the level of expertise you need to do the calibration job yourself.
    > >> I don't think, to be honest, that it is a easy job to perform but without the board the calibration (of a part of the 1000ZXL ) can't be done.
    > >> 
    > >> Inside the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps before they speak about the use of the board and al these steps must be done with a perfect result otherwise the calibration would not give you a good result.
    > >> 
    > >> Best regards ,
    > >> 
    > >> Norman
    > >> 
    > >> 
    > >> 
    > >> 
    > >> 
    > >> 
    > >> 
    > >> 
    > >> Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:
    > >> 
    > >>> Hi,
    > >>> What will this PCB calibrating on a 1000ZXL ? How and
    > >>> where in the ZXL will it be connected to a ZXL ?
    > >>> 
    > >>> Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
    > >>> 
    > >>> regards
    > >>> 
    > >>> Gerhard
    > >>> Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:
    > >>> 
    > >>>> Hi Norman
    > >>>> 
    > >>>> You can count on me :-)
    > >>>> I'm very interested on this project,
    > >>>> Please keeper me updated!
    > >>>> 
    > >>>> Wolfgang
    > >>>> 
    > >>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
    > >>>> 
    > >>>> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
    > >>>> 
    > >>>>> Hi Naktalkers,
    > >>>>> 
    > >>>>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059 (700ZXL).
    > >>>>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
    > >>>>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can distribute through a Naktalk member in the States?
    > >>>>> That should be cheaper i guess.
    > >>>>> 
    > >>>>> What you get is a high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i think.
    > >>>>> 
    > >>>>> 
    > >>>>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
    > >>>>> 
    > >>>>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
    > >>>>> 
    > >>>>> Best regards ,
    > >>>>> 
    > >>>>> Norman van Wijnen
    > >>>>> The Netherlands
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From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (KEVIN ROGERS)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:42:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RES: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for
	calibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl
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Here here Bala!

Kevin Rogers
 

________________________________
 From: Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:55:06 PM
Subject: Re: RES: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl
  
The purpose of the automated system is so that we don't have to use the look up chart in the SM and keep flipping toggle switches but let a system put the computer in the correct modes while we focus on the calibration aspects. 

While I like to keep the decks original in many aspects, there are also several areas where the different models allow for interesting ideas. Some might recall me having controlled a ZXL via USB some years ago. It would be nice if we can control the other decks in a similar manner using wifi like the Apple TV  (through FireCore ) or some newer audio equipment. 

The preservation of the originality of the equipment and the sound quality is paramount here but seriously guys, we are not in the antique business here. Nakamichi's ethos seems to be development and pushing boundaries and it's only right we keep that spirit alive. 

I feel a little afraid that from an exciting the thriving hobby, Nakaphiles are becoming a partisan group with "I have xyz number of so many decks and I flung so much money into getting my decks done" talk. I seriously encourage more members to come forward for more discussion. 

There's also too many people trying to monetize Naks and that's some times sickening. We have to loosen the boundaries and encourage more talk. Come on guys! Get your tape heads clean and let's get our own heads a'rollin! 

Bala
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On 29 Aug, 2012, at 1:56 AM, "Rodrigo Krause" <rkrause at multiplan.com.br> wrote:
Quite frankly, I don´t know. The talks were focused primarily on the automated adjustment boards…
> 
>De:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de john taylor
>Enviada em: terça-feira, 28 de agosto de 2012 10:01
>Para: naktalk at naks.com
>Assunto: RE: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl
> 
>Hi Rodrigo,
>                does this mean that project to remanufacture these gauges has fallen by the wayside or is it progressing ?
> 
>Regards, John.
> 
>
>________________________________
>
>Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and 700 zxl
>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:51:25 -0300
>From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Hi Jerry,
>I totally agree with you on most points, but isn't this rat's a** and what's holding up any machinist from making the gauges a "tad" too harsh for this forum? There isn't a true, solid market for these parts to vouch for a serious commitment to machining these parts for us all Naktalk. Wouldn't you agree?
>A nice day to all true Hi Fi lovers!!!
>Rodrigo Krause 
> 
>
>________________________________
>
>De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
>Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Enviada em: Mon Aug 27 18:14:05 2012
>Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and 700 zxl 
>I'd rather have an accurate recreation of the original. That way we know it works to spec. I'd be interested in "automated" only if it can be proved it works as  good or better than the original.  I don't give a rat's a** if the stuff we're dealing with is "1980s tech." It's about the sound, not when it was made. I have some 1960s speaker tech (Bozak, Klipsch, AR) that beats today's tech handily. 
> 
>So what's the hold up on the gauge reissue? Any competent machinist could have knocked these out -- to spec -- in a day or so. 
>On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:04 AM, john taylor <jfj_taylor at hotmail.com> wrote:
>Hi Bala,
>           I for one would be interested in an automated version, put me down for one please.
> 
>Best regards, John. PS just out of interest is there any progress /news on the remanufacturing nak gauges ?
> 
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000 zxl and 700 zxl
>> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
>> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:54:09 +1000
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> 
>> Would anyone be interested in an automated version? 
>> 
>> Bala 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > Hi Norman,
>> > If you can make this instrument it would be great.
>> > 
>> > This instrument would need a display to show settings.
>> > 
>> > If you have the first one ready it would be great if you would do a you tube Video to show it working.
>> > 
>> > I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
>> > there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
>> > 
>> > But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
>> > 
>> > If you need 60$ to make the print more often, I will pay it.
>> > 
>> > But all the calibration in your mail is set with a VTVM. and a screw driver.
>> > Maximum Bias
>> > Bias Trap
>> > 
>> > The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
>> > 
>> > I do not understand the Naka Manual from this instrument, because I don´t have the instrument.
>> > 
>> > My fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D memory settings.
>> > 
>> > kind regards
>> > Gerhard
>> > <L1006343.jpg>
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>> > 
>> >> Hi Gerhard,
>> >> 
>> >> It is a part of the measurement and maintenance instruments mentioned on page
>> >> 12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
>> >> It is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the right modus for calibration of the auto calibration settings of the deck.
>> >> 
>> >> As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
>> >> Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
>> >> Bias Trap (Record) Adjustment
>> >> Bias Current adjustment
>> >> Oscillator level adjustment
>> >> A/D offset converter frequency Response and level change measurement.
>> >> 
>> >> I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
>> >> I deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables yourself. I have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL are difficult to buy? Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about this subject?
>> >> 
>> >> But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can replace them with normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of course)
>> >> 
>> >> If you look inside the service manual you can get a idea about the level of expertise you need to do the calibration job yourself.
>> >> I don't think, to be honest, that it is a easy job to perform but without the board the calibration (of a part of the 1000ZXL ) can't be done.
>> >> 
>> >> Inside the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps before they speak about the use of the board and al these steps must be done with a perfect result otherwise the calibration would not give you a good result.
>> >> 
>> >> Best regards ,
>> >> 
>> >> Norman
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:
>> >> 
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>> What will this PCB calibrating on a 1000ZXL ? How and
>> >>> where in the ZXL will it be connected to a ZXL ?
>> >>> 
>> >>> Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
>> >>> 
>> >>> regards
>> >>> 
>> >>> Gerhard
>> >>> Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:
>> >>> 
>> >>>> Hi Norman
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> You can count on me :-)
>> >>>> I'm very interested on this project,
>> >>>> Please keeper me updated!
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Wolfgang
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>> >>>> 
>> >>>>> Hi Naktalkers,
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059 (700ZXL).
>> >>>>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
>> >>>>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can distribute through a Naktalk member in the States?
>> >>>>> That should be cheaper i guess.
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> What you get is a high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i think.
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Best regards ,
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Norman van Wijnen
>> >>>>> The Netherlands
>> >>>>> 
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From rayc7sisters at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 29 01:39:59 2012
From: rayc7sisters at yahoo.com (Ray Cahrlonne)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:39:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RES: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for
	calibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl
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Hi Guys
 
I haven't exchanged with you guys for a while. Always busy.
Anyway, a redesigned cal board isn't impossible to do and could have a USB interface.
Figure out what you all would like to have it do extracirricularly and let me know. To sit down and do the design for a double sided glass board, populate it and then write the code there would have to be a demand for at least 10 of the redesigns. No Dip Switches
 
Ray

--- On Tue, 8/28/12, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RES: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2012, 8:55 PM




The purpose of the automated system is so that we don't have to use the look up chart in the SM and keep flipping toggle switches but let a system put the computer in the correct modes while we focus on the calibration aspects. 


While I like to keep the decks original in many aspects, there are also several areas where the different models allow for interesting ideas. Some might recall me having controlled a ZXL via USB some years ago. It would be nice if we can control the other decks in a similar manner using wifi like the Apple TV  (through FireCore ) or some newer audio equipment. 


The preservation of the originality of the equipment and the sound quality is paramount here but seriously guys, we are not in the antique business here. Nakamichi's ethos seems to be development and pushing boundaries and it's only right we keep that spirit alive. 


I feel a little afraid that from an exciting the thriving hobby, Nakaphiles are becoming a partisan group with "I have xyz number of so many decks and I flung so much money into getting my decks done" talk. I seriously encourage more members to come forward for more discussion. 


There's also too many people trying to monetize Naks and that's some times sickening. We have to loosen the boundaries and encourage more talk. Come on guys! Get your tape heads clean and let's get our own heads a'rollin! 


Bala

Sent from my iPad

On 29 Aug, 2012, at 1:56 AM, "Rodrigo Krause" <rkrause at multiplan.com.br> wrote:








Quite frankly, I don´t know. The talks were focused primarily on the automated adjustment boards…
 


De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de john taylor
Enviada em: terça-feira, 28 de agosto de 2012 10:01
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: RE: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl
 

Hi Rodrigo,
                does this mean that project to remanufacture these gauges has fallen by the wayside or is it progressing ?
 
Regards, John.
 




Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and 700 zxl
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:51:25 -0300
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br
To: naktalk at naks.com

Hi Jerry,
I totally agree with you on most points, but isn't this rat's a** and what's holding up any machinist from making the gauges a "tad" too harsh for this forum? There isn't a true, solid market for these parts to vouch for a serious commitment to machining these parts for us all Naktalk. Wouldn't you agree?
A nice day to all true Hi Fi lovers!!!
Rodrigo Krause 
 




De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Mon Aug 27 18:14:05 2012
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and 700 zxl 
I'd rather have an accurate recreation of the original. That way we know it works to spec. I'd be interested in "automated" only if it can be proved it works as  good or better than the original.  I don't give a rat's a** if the stuff we're dealing with is "1980s tech." It's about the sound, not when it was made. I have some 1960s speaker tech (Bozak, Klipsch, AR) that beats today's tech handily. 

 

So what's the hold up on the gauge reissue? Any competent machinist could have knocked these out -- to spec -- in a day or so. 

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:04 AM, john taylor <jfj_taylor at hotmail.com> wrote:




Hi Bala,
           I for one would be interested in an automated version, put me down for one please.
 
Best regards, John. PS just out of interest is there any progress /news on the remanufacturing nak gauges ?
 


> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000 zxl and 700 zxl
> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:54:09 +1000
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> 


> Would anyone be interested in an automated version? 
> 
> Bala 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Norman,
> > If you can make this instrument it would be great.
> > 
> > This instrument would need a display to show settings.
> > 
> > If you have the first one ready it would be great if you would do a you tube Video to show it working.
> > 
> > I would buy one , How may Parts are needed on this PCB ?
> > there would be a parts list needed do build this instrument.
> > 
> > But what connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
> > 
> > If you need 60$ to make the print more often, I will pay it.
> > 
> > But all the calibration in your mail is set with a VTVM. and a screw driver.
> > Maximum Bias
> > Bias Trap
> > 
> > The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA on IC 713.
> > 
> > I do not understand the Naka Manual from this instrument, because I don´t have the instrument.
> > 
> > My fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D memory settings.
> > 
> > kind regards
> > Gerhard
> > <L1006343.jpg>
> > 
> > 
> > Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
> > 
> >> Hi Gerhard,
> >> 
> >> It is a part of the measurement and maintenance instruments mentioned on page
> >> 12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
> >> It is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the right modus for calibration of the auto calibration settings of the deck.
> >> 
> >> As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
> >> Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
> >> Bias Trap (Record) Adjustment
> >> Bias Current adjustment
> >> Oscillator level adjustment
> >> A/D offset converter frequency Response and level change measurement.
> >> 
> >> I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
> >> I deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables yourself. I have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL are difficult to buy? Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about this subject?
> >> 
> >> But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can replace them with normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of course)
> >> 
> >> If you look inside the service manual you can get a idea about the level of expertise you need to do the calibration job yourself.
> >> I don't think, to be honest, that it is a easy job to perform but without the board the calibration (of a part of the 1000ZXL ) can't be done.
> >> 
> >> Inside the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps before they speak about the use of the board and al these steps must be done with a perfect result otherwise the calibration would not give you a good result.
> >> 
> >> Best regards ,
> >> 
> >> Norman
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:
> >> 
> >>> Hi,
> >>> What will this PCB calibrating on a 1000ZXL ? How and
> >>> where in the ZXL will it be connected to a ZXL ?
> >>> 
> >>> Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
> >>> 
> >>> regards
> >>> 
> >>> Gerhard
> >>> Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig:
> >>> 
> >>>> Hi Norman
> >>>> 
> >>>> You can count on me :-)
> >>>> I'm very interested on this project,
> >>>> Please keeper me updated!
> >>>> 
> >>>> Wolfgang
> >>>> 
> >>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
> >>>> 
> >>>> Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Hi Naktalkers,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I am working on a PCB for calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL decks. In the service manual they called M9057 (M9057) and M9059 (700ZXL).
> >>>>> I wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
> >>>>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with more buyers maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the shipping cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can distribute through a Naktalk member in the States?
> >>>>> That should be cheaper i guess.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> What you get is a high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you have to buy yourself and you must have some solder experience i think.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Best regards ,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Norman van Wijnen
> >>>>> The Netherlands
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Wed Aug 29 01:58:38 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:58:38 -0300
Subject: Res: RE: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505
In-Reply-To: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272966426936D8@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B136@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Hi Phil,
Thank you for asking. I did get my local tech to stop being lazy and replace the condensers after telling him that "an american tech specialized in Akai r2r told me that these motors almost never go bad", but he hasn't gotten back to me yet... I'm also struggling to get an Akai 365D that was sold on eBay as working to actually play and record, so far to no avail...
Thanks for asking and sorry for being sooo long in answering. Did you have any suggestions/recommendations?
Regards,
Rodrigo

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De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Tue Aug 28 19:31:04 2012
Assunto: RE: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505 



Rodrigo,

 

Did you ever get help with this?

 

Phil

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Krause
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:12 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RES: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505

 

Good afternoon Fred,

 

Sorry to Just cold call your email you like this, but as a follower, a Nakamichi and hi fi devotee and an active reader of Naktalk and your comments, I thought I´d be bold and ask for your help off line. As an expert technician, I´d appreciate if you could give me some insight on the following issue.

 

I live in Brazil and come to the US quite frequently (job related travelling) and bring back stereo vintage I buy on eBay and other sources. Occasionally I buy locally, here in Brazil, and that´s when I get screwed (forgive me for my French…!). I bought a r2r Akai 1730 which happens to have a faulty motor. It starts up well and after a while it heats up and slows down or even stops. According to my local technician, the motor heats up and loses traction power. He says it cannot be fixed (which incidentally is my first question) and that he will search for a replacement. 

 

So, in your opinion, if you have one, is it theoretically possible to repair the motor? Is it worth it?

Or,

Should I make my life easier (and stop wasting your time) by simply buying a cheap parts-only similar deck and hope the motor is working or are these motors easily bought in the US?

 

Thank you in advance for any advice you may share with me.

 

Best regards,

 

Rodrigo Krause

 

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Fred Longworth
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 6 de julho de 2011 02:43
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505

 

CT,

Google tells me that your post is being sent from an unauthenticated gmail account. Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but Google has sent me separate warnings for two of your posts.

So, I'm not sure that the problem is with Naktalk per se. You might check into whether your ISP has a problem, or whether your gmail account has been compromised.

Best,

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

* * * * *

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote:

This is OT but I am getting absurd responses from the Naktalk server saying that I am not a member and other things.  I also can't get through to Julie Kessler which I have wanted to do for a few days now.  At the moment it feels like I may as well be dead for all the response I am getting.  Could Willy or someone else please reglee my account so I feel like a human being again.  And could I please just make this post available so that Julie knows that I have tried to reply.  (Possibly not this time with an offer of marriage, though I have found no reason so far to put me off.  The Dragon talk was quite fun - someone said we do end up marrying dragons - which I can't disagree with.)

 

Best wishes

 

CT

 

On 3 July 2011 00:07, MichaelG. <eidling at gmail.com> wrote:

So I have since learned...

 

Willly - you are everywhere!  In a separate e-mail I sent you my information.  When I hear back from you I will box and ship the rx-505.  It definitely "groans" a bit when it stops.

 

What is your opinion of this model?  I've always tended to avoid complicated things - I've always thought there will just be more things to go wrong, but it is a nice deck.  I'm not sure that it sounds significantly different from my BX-2 which Nakamichi serviced and then saw little use, but perhaps that is just because the RX-505 needs to be properly set up, adjusted, etc.

 

thanks again,

 

Michael

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:

It's not broken.  It works only in record mode.  Load a tape, press record and pause, feed it some source information and set your levels.  Then press the "Fader Down" button and you'll see the sound decrease to zero and the lights change. 

 

Willy

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, MichaelG. <eidling at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi - Can anyone tell me how to fix this?

 

thanks!


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From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 21:43:19 -0300
Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505
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Thank you, Bala. Even that seems to be hard to do... But I'll try even if I have to buy a new replacement cap in the US and bring it down to Brazil...and replace it myself!
Thank you!

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De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Tue Aug 28 20:40:12 2012
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505 


Replace the starting capacitor and check the belt. Had a similar problem on a 1710 many many years ago. 

Bala 

Sent from my iPhone

On 29/08/2012, at 8:31 AM, Philip Stone <Philip.Stone at imail.org> wrote:



	Rodrigo,

	 

	Did you ever get help with this?

	 

	Phil

	 

	From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Krause
	Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:12 PM
	To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
	Subject: RES: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505

	 

	Good afternoon Fred,

	 

	Sorry to Just cold call your email you like this, but as a follower, a Nakamichi and hi fi devotee and an active reader of Naktalk and your comments, I thought I´d be bold and ask for your help off line. As an expert technician, I´d appreciate if you could give me some insight on the following issue.

	 

	I live in Brazil and come to the US quite frequently (job related travelling) and bring back stereo vintage I buy on eBay and other sources. Occasionally I buy locally, here in Brazil, and that´s when I get screwed (forgive me for my French…!). I bought a r2r Akai 1730 which happens to have a faulty motor. It starts up well and after a while it heats up and slows down or even stops. According to my local technician, the motor heats up and loses traction power. He says it cannot be fixed (which incidentally is my first question) and that he will search for a replacement. 

	 

	So, in your opinion, if you have one, is it theoretically possible to repair the motor? Is it worth it?

	Or,

	Should I make my life easier (and stop wasting your time) by simply buying a cheap parts-only similar deck and hope the motor is working or are these motors easily bought in the US?

	 

	Thank you in advance for any advice you may share with me.

	 

	Best regards,

	 

	Rodrigo Krause

	 

	 

	De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Fred Longworth
	Enviada em: quarta-feira, 6 de julho de 2011 02:43
	Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
	Assunto: Re: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505

	 

	CT,
	
	Google tells me that your post is being sent from an unauthenticated gmail account. Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but Google has sent me separate warnings for two of your posts.
	
	So, I'm not sure that the problem is with Naktalk per se. You might check into whether your ISP has a problem, or whether your gmail account has been compromised.
	
	Best,
	
	Fred
	Classic Audio Repair
	www.repairaudio.com
	
	* * * * *

	On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote:

	This is OT but I am getting absurd responses from the Naktalk server saying that I am not a member and other things.  I also can't get through to Julie Kessler which I have wanted to do for a few days now.  At the moment it feels like I may as well be dead for all the response I am getting.  Could Willy or someone else please reglee my account so I feel like a human being again.  And could I please just make this post available so that Julie knows that I have tried to reply.  (Possibly not this time with an offer of marriage, though I have found no reason so far to put me off.  The Dragon talk was quite fun - someone said we do end up marrying dragons - which I can't disagree with.)

	 

	Best wishes

	 

	CT

	 

	On 3 July 2011 00:07, MichaelG. <eidling at gmail.com> wrote:

	So I have since learned...

	 

	Willly - you are everywhere!  In a separate e-mail I sent you my information.  When I hear back from you I will box and ship the rx-505.  It definitely "groans" a bit when it stops.

	 

	What is your opinion of this model?  I've always tended to avoid complicated things - I've always thought there will just be more things to go wrong, but it is a nice deck.  I'm not sure that it sounds significantly different from my BX-2 which Nakamichi serviced and then saw little use, but perhaps that is just because the RX-505 needs to be properly set up, adjusted, etc.

	 

	thanks again,

	 

	Michael

	On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:

	It's not broken.  It works only in record mode.  Load a tape, press record and pause, feed it some source information and set your levels.  Then press the "Fader Down" button and you'll see the sound decrease to zero and the lights change. 

	 

	Willy

	On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, MichaelG. <eidling at gmail.com> wrote:

	Hi - Can anyone tell me how to fix this?

	 

	thanks!

	
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From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 21:43:43 -0300
Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of
	1000zxl and 700 zxl
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Hey Jerry: that's the spirit here: join on in andthrough your two cents worth of experience or questions!
Best regards,
Rodrigo Krause
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Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and 700 zxl
Enviada: 28 ago, 2012 16:06

Fair enough, I do apologize. Rereading the message it comes off way way more harsh than I actually intended to. Sorry about that guys, I really meant no animosity. It doesn't really need to be much demand for gauges, as I said any competent machinist could reproduce any kind of tool In a day, a week at the most let's say. Granted, if they're being made wanted a time there going to be quite costly, but these are precision gauges they will probably costly in the day. On Tuesday, August 28, 2012, Jerry McPhail wrote: On Tuesday, August 28, 2012, Rodrigo Krause wrote: Quite frankly, I don´t know. The talks were focused primarily on the automated adjustment boards…
 
De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de john taylor Enviada em: terça-feira, 28 de agosto de 2012 10:01 Para: naktalk at naks.com Assunto: RE: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl
 
Hi Rodrigo,                 does this mean that project to remanufacture these gauges has fallen by the wayside or is it progressing ?   Regards, John.  
Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and 700 zxl Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:51:25 -0300 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br To: naktalk at naks.com
Hi Jerry, I totally agree with you on most points, but isn't this rat's a** and what's holding up any machinist from making the gauges a "tad" too harsh for this forum? There isn't a true, solid market for these parts to vouch for a serious commitment

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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 29 12:10:42 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 03:10:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RES: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb
	forcalibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl
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I am a collector and so originality is important to me. But we have to be very practical here, as obsession can sometimes be a detriment to our equipment. These are high-performance decks. So performance does take priority as long it doesn't mean boring holes or sawing the deck up. They were designed by forward thinking people who wouldn't want to see their equipment become dinosaurs or relics. 


Some years ago, I gave one of my McIntosh tube amps to a specialist for work  because it was having distortion. It obviously needed fresh PSU caps. But the 'specialist' told me that changing too many parts would destroy the sound and you would never get the tone should we change too many parts. I eventually got the job done. Most of the caps were dried out and some resistors were out of spec. The amp did not measure to specs. Once new components were in and values were tweaked to get back proper voltages, then things began to look as they should and the sound was much different, more like the way the amp should have sounded. Not bloated bass and exaggerated mids.

I learnt that some original caps in similar amps caught fire resulting in expensive repairs. 

We have to pause and think that though electronic components might seem like their not doing much, a resistor is not the same after a 1/4 century of passing electrons. When you add the small differences up, it does accumulate.

Unfortunately Rainier, getting along is quite hard or so it seems because there is so much behind the scenes jockeying and politics going on with attacks on each other and such like. I always wondered why because at the end of the day, we are not going to bring these decks to our graves. Neither can we control their final destiny. What we will take with us is those hours of music memories and the thoughts during those pauses of hiss in between tracks.  




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 From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: RES: Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb forcalibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl
 

 
Well said Bala :)  I am with you in that I am most 
concerned about getting the best performance out of my deck (original parts or 
not) and don't look at things the same way as a "collector" might. The 
difference in attitudes seems to split the group a bit but I do think we should 
all try to get along since there aren't a lot of us in either camp.
 
Cheers,
Rainer   
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Bala Ganesh 
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:55  PM
>Subject: Re: RES: Res: Re: [naktalk]  Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb forcalibrationof 1000zxl and 700 zxl
>
>
>The purpose of the automated system is so that we don't have to use the  look up chart in the SM and keep flipping toggle switches but let a system put  the computer in the correct modes while we focus on the calibration  aspects. 
>
>
>While I like to keep the decks original in many aspects, there are also  several areas where the different models allow for interesting ideas. Some  might recall me having controlled a ZXL via USB some years ago. It would be  nice if we can control the other decks in a similar manner using wifi like the  Apple TV  (through FireCore ) or some newer audio equipment. 
>
>
>The preservation of the originality of the equipment and the sound  quality is paramount here but seriously guys, we are not in the antique  business here. Nakamichi's ethos seems to be development and pushing  boundaries and it's only right we keep that spirit alive. 
>
>
>I feel a little afraid that from an exciting the thriving hobby,  Nakaphiles are becoming a partisan group with "I have xyz number of so many  decks and I flung so much money into getting my decks done" talk. I seriously  encourage more members to come forward for more discussion. 
>
>
>There's also too many people trying to monetize Naks and that's some  times sickening. We have to loosen the boundaries and encourage more talk.  Come on guys! Get your tape heads clean and let's get our own heads  a'rollin! 
>
>
>Bala
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On 29 Aug, 2012, at 1:56 AM, "Rodrigo Krause" <rkrause at multiplan.com.br>  wrote:
>
>
> 
>>Quite  frankly, I don´t know. The talks were focused primarily on the automated  adjustment boards…
>>De:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de john  taylor
>>Enviada em: terça-feira, 28 de agosto de 2012  10:01
>>Para: naktalk at naks.com
>>Assunto: RE:  Res: Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibrationof 1000zxl  and 700 zxl
>>Hi  Rodrigo,
>>                
    does this mean that project to remanufacture these gauges has 
    fallen by the wayside or is it progressing ?
>> 
>>Regards, 
    John.
>> 
>>
>>________________________________
>> 
>>Subject: Res:  Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and  700 zxl
>>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:51:25 -0300
>>From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br
>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>Hi  Jerry,
>>I totally agree with you on most points, but isn't this rat's a** 
    and what's holding up any machinist from making the gauges a "tad" too harsh 
    for this forum? There isn't a true, solid market for these parts to vouch 
    for a serious commitment to machining these parts for us all Naktalk. 
    Wouldn't you agree?
>>A nice day to all true Hi Fi lovers!!!
>>Rodrigo 
    Krause 
>>
>>________________________________
>> 
>>De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
>>Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>>Enviada  em: Mon Aug 27 18:14:05 2012
>>Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Creation  of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000zxl and 700 zxl 
>>I'd rather have  an accurate recreation of the original. That way we know it works to spec.  I'd be interested in "automated" only if it can be proved it works as   good or better than the original.  I don't give a rat's a** if  the stuff we're dealing with is "1980s tech." It's about the sound, not when  it was made. I have some 1960s speaker tech (Bozak, Klipsch, AR) that beats  today's tech handily. 
>>So what's the  hold up on the gauge reissue? Any competent machinist could have knocked  these out -- to spec -- in a day or so. 
>>On Mon, Aug 27,  2012 at 3:04 AM, john taylor <jfj_taylor at hotmail.com>  wrote:
>>Hi  Bala,
>>           I 
    for one would be interested in an automated version, put me down for one 
    please.
>> 
>>Best regards, John. PS just out of interest is there 
    any progress /news on the remanufacturing nak gauges 
    ?
>> 
>>> Subject:  Re: [naktalk] Creation of M9057 M 9059 pcb for calibration of 1000 zxl and  700 zxl
>>> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
>>> Date: Wed, 15 
    Aug 2012 08:54:09 +1000
>>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>>> 
>>> Would  anyone be interested in an automated version? 
>>> 
>>> Bala 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 15 Aug, 2012, at 
    6:18 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Hi Norman,
>>> > If you can make this 
    instrument it would be great.
>>> > 
>>> > This instrument 
    would need a display to show settings.
>>> > 
>>> > If you 
    have the first one ready it would be great if you would do a you tube Video 
    to show it working.
>>> > 
>>> > I would buy one , How may 
    Parts are needed on this PCB ?
>>> > there would be a parts list 
    needed do build this instrument.
>>> > 
>>> > But what 
    connectors can you find? and what kind of display is needed ?
>>> > 
>>> > If you need 60$ to make the print more often, I will pay 
    it.
>>> > 
>>> > But all the calibration in your mail is set 
    with a VTVM. and a screw driver.
>>> > Maximum Bias
>>> > Bias 
    Trap
>>> > 
>>> > The A/D offset , I did it today it is 50mA 
    on IC 713.
>>> > 
>>> > I do not understand the Naka Manual 
    from this instrument, because I don´t have the instrument.
>>> > 
>>> > My fhoto shows maximum Bias changed by A B C D memory 
    settings.
>>> > 
>>> > kind regards
>>> > 
    Gerhard
>>> > <L1006343.jpg>
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > Am 14.08.2012 um 15:14 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>>> > 
>>> >> Hi Gerhard,
>>> >> 
>>> >> It is a 
    part of the measurement and maintenance instruments mentioned on 
    page
>>> >> 12 of the 1000ZXL service manual.
>>> >> It 
    is a unit needed to set the computer of the 1000ZXL into the right modus for 
    calibration of the auto calibration settings of the deck.
>>> >> 
>>> >> As you can read on page 28 of the manual:
>>> >> 
    Maximum Bias Current Adjustment
>>> >> Bias Trap (Record) 
    Adjustment
>>> >> Bias Current adjustment
>>> >> 
    Oscillator level adjustment
>>> >> A/D offset converter frequency 
    Response and level change measurement.
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
    I'm working on a PCB for use with standard connectors.
>>> >> I 
    deliver only a pcb so you have to create the connection cables yourself. I 
    have no idea if the connectors used inside the 1000ZXL are difficult to buy? 
    Maybe some other Naktalk member knows about this subject?
>>> >> 
>>> >> But if that connectors are not for sale maybe we can 
    replace them with normal ones. (Only the connectors used for calibration of 
    course)
>>> >> 
>>> >> If you look inside the service 
    manual you can get a idea about the level of expertise you need to do the 
    calibration job yourself.
>>> >> I don't think, to be honest, that 
    it is a easy job to perform but without the board the calibration (of a part 
    of the 1000ZXL ) can't be done.
>>> >> 
>>> >> Inside 
    the manual you can see that there are already done 9 steps before they speak 
    about the use of the board and al these steps must be done with a perfect 
    result otherwise the calibration would not give you a good result.
>>> 
    >> 
>>> >> Best regards ,
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
    Norman
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> 
    >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> 
    >> 
>>> >> Citeren Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>:
>>> 
    >> 
>>> >>> Hi,
>>> >>> What will this PCB 
    calibrating on a 1000ZXL ? How and
>>> >>> where in the ZXL 
    will it be connected to a ZXL ?
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> 
    Do you have the Connectors for ? Can you sell them?
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> regards
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> 
    Gerhard
>>> >>> Am 14.08.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Dr. Wolfgang 
    Smetanig:
>>> >>> 
>>> >>>> Hi Norman
>>> 
    >>>> 
>>> >>>> You can count on me :-)
>>> 
    >>>> I'm very interested on this project,
>>> 
    >>>> Please keeper me updated!
>>> >>>> 
>>> 
    >>>> Wolfgang
>>> >>>> 
>>> >>>> 
    Von meinem iPad gesendet
>>> >>>> 
>>> >>>> 
    Am 13.08.2012 um 21:13 schrieb naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl:
>>> 
    >>>> 
>>> >>>>> Hi Naktalkers,
>>> 
    >>>>> 
>>> >>>>> I am working on a PCB for 
    calibrating the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL decks. In the service manual they 
    called M9057 (M9057) and M9059 (700ZXL).
>>> >>>>> I 
    wonder who will be intrested in buying this (combined) board.
>>> 
    >>>>> The price would be about 60 dollar i think but with 
    more buyers maybe it can be done cheaper. A part of the price is the 
    shipping cost . That shipping cost is based on shipping to the Netherlands 
    and the manufacturer is an American company. Maybe we can distribute through 
    a Naktalk member in the States?
>>> >>>>> That should be 
    cheaper i guess.
>>> >>>>> 
>>> >>>>> 
    What you get is a high quality PCB , the parts for assembly you have to buy 
    yourself and you must have some solder experience i think.
>>> 
    >>>>> 
>>> >>>>> 
>>> 
    >>>>> If you are intrested please send me a mail.
>>> 
    >>>>> 
>>> >>>>> n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
>>> 
    >>>>> 
>>> >>>>> Best regards ,
>>> 
    >>>>> 
>>> >>>>> Norman van Wijnen
>>> 
    >>>>> The Netherlands
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 30 01:36:55 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:36:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
Message-ID: <1346283415.72637.YahooMailNeo@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi friends,

 I'd like to share the ANT 4066 chip update that I had recently had done to my late serial number Dragon. The mod was done by a very competent tech( Willy Hermann of CA) in the USA and I have been comparing the modded deck with a stock Dragon and I was rudely shocked that the stock Dragon was much more pleasant sounding to my years both hot and cold and on every tape I threw at them.

The ANT 4066 chip modded Dragon might have increased the spec on distortion and all but in the real listening test the stock Dragon was superb. What has happened is that the unmodded  Dragon sounds fuller and tight bassed, whereas the modded one has lost a tad of the bass in its sound and gained (may be a perception of mine due to loss of bass)a tad treble. It sounds a bit closer to the CR7. However, I liked the sound of my stock CR7 better than this modded Dragon overall. So there you go. For me it was not worth it, even though WIlly did state the technical specs did improve on the ANT chip Dragon.

The above was my subjective listening tests that were corroborated with my teenage and early 20s' children. So it was not just me. The decks were set to the same output and all and it was done with 

Now, take it for whats it is worth. Weigh the costs for the upgrade and see if you really need the sound difference that the mod accomplishes. 

Thanks for reading all of this. Thanks Willy for the mod.

Ram.
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From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Thu Aug 30 02:26:36 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ronald Witt)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:26:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
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I think the loss of bass is the result of greater extension in the high end which you did seem to notice. Bass can sometimes be too full and not as tightly defined as it should be. I have noticed this on a few NAK's; the LX-5 and the Dragon. It's that full and luxurious NAK sound that kind of wins people over real quick. I think you will notice a very distinct presence and timbre with this upgrade. Give it a little time and it will grow on you.  And of course the deck is so much more now that Willy has touched it. 
Enjoy!

Ron

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On Aug 29, 2012, at 7:36 PM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi friends,
> 
>  I'd like to share the ANT 4066 chip update that I had recently had done to my late serial number Dragon. The mod was done by a very competent tech( Willy Hermann of CA) in the USA and I have been comparing the modded deck with a stock Dragon and I was rudely shocked that the stock Dragon was much more pleasant sounding to my years both hot and cold and on every tape I threw at them.
> 
> The ANT 4066 chip modded Dragon might have increased the spec on distortion and all but in the real listening test the stock Dragon was superb. What has happened is that the unmodded  Dragon sounds fuller and tight bassed, whereas the modded one has lost a tad of the bass in its sound and gained (may be a perception of mine due to loss of bass)a tad treble. It sounds a bit closer to the CR7. However, I liked the sound of my stock CR7 better than this modded Dragon overall. So there you go. For me it was not worth it, even though WIlly did state the technical specs did improve on the ANT chip Dragon.
> 
> The above was my subjective listening tests that were corroborated with my teenage and early 20s' children. So it was not just me. The decks were set to the same output and all and it was done with 
> 
> Now, take it for whats it is worth. Weigh the costs for the upgrade and see if you really need the sound difference that the mod accomplishes. 
> 
> Thanks for reading all of this. Thanks Willy for the mod.
> 
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From adrian at mechner.net  Thu Aug 30 04:19:54 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:19:54 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
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I always said that a Nak sounds like a Nak only in mint original condition.

Believing that they did not have the needed parts or brains at that time to
make them even better, seriously offends the brand, the designers and
engineers. 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
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Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:37 PM
To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.

 

Hi friends,

 

 I'd like to share the ANT 4066 chip update that I had recently had done to
my late serial number Dragon. The mod was done by a very competent tech(
Willy Hermann of CA) in the USA and I have been comparing the modded deck
with a stock Dragon and I was rudely shocked that the stock Dragon was much
more pleasant sounding to my years both hot and cold and on every tape I
threw at them.

 

The ANT 4066 chip modded Dragon might have increased the spec on distortion
and all but in the real listening test the stock Dragon was superb. What has
happened is that the unmodded  Dragon sounds fuller and tight bassed,
whereas the modded one has lost a tad of the bass in its sound and gained
(may be a perception of mine due to loss of bass)a tad treble. It sounds a
bit closer to the CR7. However, I liked the sound of my stock CR7 better
than this modded Dragon overall. So there you go. For me it was not worth
it, even though WIlly did state the technical specs did improve on the ANT
chip Dragon.

 

The above was my subjective listening tests that were corroborated with my
teenage and early 20s' children. So it was not just me. The decks were set
to the same output and all and it was done with 

 

Now, take it for whats it is worth. Weigh the costs for the upgrade and see
if you really need the sound difference that the mod accomplishes. 

 

Thanks for reading all of this. Thanks Willy for the mod.

 

Ram.

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From spok2000 at gmx.de  Thu Aug 30 12:34:48 2012
From: spok2000 at gmx.de (spok2000 at gmx.de)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:34:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest and quoting
In-Reply-To: <201208301029.q7UA8743003650@zxe.naks.com>
References: <201208301029.q7UA8743003650@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <60689F86-636B-452C-AAAC-B97BB276F2D8@gmx.de>

If only you guys could stop quoting multiple quotation levels in your replies.
It is downright unreadable.
C'mon, you can dig inside the most advanced cassette technology - is it not possible trying to understand simple email technology ?

Best,
spok
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From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Thu Aug 30 12:47:24 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:47:24 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
In-Reply-To: <000001cd8655$f2037f30$d60a7d90$@net>
References: <1346283415.72637.YahooMailNeo@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<000001cd8655$f2037f30$d60a7d90$@net>
Message-ID: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689D9471@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>

Adrian,
Let's not forget that while Nakamichi made great decks they were also a company that was trying to make a profit. I had read post like yours before about how only naks in original condition  sound the way a nak should sound. It's like saying that the deck only sounds correct if it still has the orange caps in it. Nak used the orange caps back then because they were cheap polys not because they were the best. The replacement caps you can get today from Wima and such are hands better in every way, that goes for replacement electrolytic caps as well. While I agree that when it comes to guitar amps and effect pedals and such that you want to keep the same parts type if you can but that's because those things are suppose have a certain tone to them and changing parts would change the tone but when it comes to playback stuff you want the piece to have the least amount of sound of its own, a piece of wire with gain if you like. Naks sound great because they get the most info of the tape as possible and without adding any of their own sound to it. With that said one must be careful when doing mods, the guys at nak were smart and they knew the limits of the parts they had available to them at the time and designed around those limitations.
Scott

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:20 PM
To: 'shanti ramachandran'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.

I always said that a Nak sounds like a Nak only in mint original condition.
Believing that they did not have the needed parts or brains at that time to make them even better, seriously offends the brand, the designers and engineers.
Adrian

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com<mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:37 PM
To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.

Hi friends,

 I'd like to share the ANT 4066 chip update that I had recently had done to my late serial number Dragon. The mod was done by a very competent tech( Willy Hermann of CA) in the USA and I have been comparing the modded deck with a stock Dragon and I was rudely shocked that the stock Dragon was much more pleasant sounding to my years both hot and cold and on every tape I threw at them.

The ANT 4066 chip modded Dragon might have increased the spec on distortion and all but in the real listening test the stock Dragon was superb. What has happened is that the unmodded  Dragon sounds fuller and tight bassed, whereas the modded one has lost a tad of the bass in its sound and gained (may be a perception of mine due to loss of bass)a tad treble. It sounds a bit closer to the CR7. However, I liked the sound of my stock CR7 better than this modded Dragon overall. So there you go. For me it was not worth it, even though WIlly did state the technical specs did improve on the ANT chip Dragon.

The above was my subjective listening tests that were corroborated with my teenage and early 20s' children. So it was not just me. The decks were set to the same output and all and it was done with

Now, take it for whats it is worth. Weigh the costs for the upgrade and see if you really need the sound difference that the mod accomplishes.

Thanks for reading all of this. Thanks Willy for the mod.

Ram.
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Thu Aug 30 14:23:47 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:23:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with ANT4066 modification
Message-ID: <mdp3a0fumh5ndtq3s8wuojns.1346329427002@email.android.com>

So Ram,
What you are saying, and this is not an insult or tongue in cheek, is that you prefer the music with a certain amount of distortion, which is not unusual. The original 4066 switch has always been audio junk, for lack of a better word.  Original or not, it has poor specifications all around. I'm probably telling you stuff you already know, otherwise, why would you have had the mod done in the first place. The only thing the 4066 does in the Dragon, is switch the direction channels used in the rest of the electronics right after the head amps. In addition, the way that Nak incorporated the switch is the worst possible way, with a high + voltage on VCC and little - voltage at GND. Virtually every audio use of the 4066 in latter designs, by Nak and other manufacturers, uses balanced supplied voltages, as the capacitance, ON resistance, and FR are lower and more linear. It is easy to test if the sound difference you detect is the chip or the difference between those 2 Dragons. Simply replace the ANT4066 with the original 4066. They are now socket mounted, and easily accessed, and the mod does not prevent use of the original chip in any way. Once the deck is on your bench, it takes all of 5 minutes.  I have installed 3 sets for customers, and one set I use in one of my Dragons. I have not found the sound signature you describe, nor have I gotten any feedback similar to it. In fact, I found no difference what so ever in the bass, only in the higher registers, and really, then, only with a certain definition of space or placement, not actual change in sound of an instrument. I have done the swap between 2 modded decks so each one had a session with original 4066s and the ANT4066. (and another modern 4066 replacement, also, not part of this discussion) to elimnate xhoice based on dexk differences, and never have I prefered the timbre of the original over the cleaner, lower resistance replacements. I can't say I was able to measure any actual change in distortion or frequency response though, to be honest, but I only measu
re THD, not individual harmonics.



From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 16:03:51 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:03:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: 4066 Modification.
In-Reply-To: <000001cd8655$f2037f30$d60a7d90$@net>
References: <1346283415.72637.YahooMailNeo@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<000001cd8655$f2037f30$d60a7d90$@net>
Message-ID: <1EF2EA88-E198-4914-A37A-30EC9B77EE67@gmail.com>

Yes Adrian, ...
  May way to check a cassette recorder is to compare him to a  
analogue music source. Not more or less, he  will reach that if he is  
an NAKAMICHI.

I  do set record bias and  equalization to get the same sound  like  
on  the record disc.  To proof  the sound of an old playback  
amplifier we can use  old  cassettes.  If we don´t have any, the   
music cassettes made by COLUMBIA are good to check  playback response.
  It is easy and interesting to buy a cassette  from a  vinyl record  
we have already.

It is  more easy to make  recordings from a digital source. A  
perfect  recorder  will be very near the CD.
Some times  the tape recording is sounding  less digital. Or let me  
say,... better.
Some recording Studios  are  working digital, to save on Equipment,   
and do a  not perfect made tape recording   after the digital sound  
mix was finished.

  The engineers from  NAKAMICHI  Research Inc. did went in a tone  
Studio to compare the cassette recordings with  real music instruments.

Because of the japanese obsession at that time, to make everything  
better  than things made  in USA or europe, they did have money and  
time for  Research.
Then Thousands  ZX-7  owners  did buy  the " new " ZX-9, just because  
it was a little more exact  tape transport  build in.

The japanese inflation at that time was the other way around !  That  
is called negative inflation.

Gerhard from europe

Am 30.08.2012 um 04:19 schrieb Adrian Mechner:



> I always said that a Nak sounds like a Nak only in mint original  
> condition.
>
> Believing that they did not have the needed parts or brains at that  
> time to make them even better, seriously offends the brand, the  
> designers and engineers.
>
> Adrian
>
>
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 30 21:14:00 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:14:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with ANT4066 modification
In-Reply-To: <mdp3a0fumh5ndtq3s8wuojns.1346329427002@email.android.com>
References: <mdp3a0fumh5ndtq3s8wuojns.1346329427002@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <1346354040.70554.YahooMailNeo@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Perry,

1. If you interpret my listening as "I like distortion", power be to you. Analogue per se theoretically will have more distortion than digital, per se. So we all are distortion lovers Perry.
2. What you might like as "better sounding" may not be to me. Its called subjectivity, not objectivity. We have beaten this horse up many times to death and I do not want to get there again.
3. I had heard of this mod and Willy volunteered to do this as the deck was going in to him anyway for a restoration. He has not charged me for the mod and I have not paid him for the mod. The mod was done for curiosity, similar to the ZXL mod with the DD capstan motors years ago. It was for purely learning.
4. I posted this very reluctantly, knowing responses like yours would come in, but I did it any way so others can make an educated guess before they spend money to do a mod on a wonder deck, the Dragon.
5. I shall be getting the original 4066 from Willy next week and I intend to compare the 2 chips in the same deck and post too. I know I will use the Nak 4066 as I have heard this deck prior to the mod and it did match my other Dragon very well.
6. In my conversations with Willy, he seemed to agree with my observations that the different was not dramatic. He also felt the treble seemed heightened a la a CR7. If you do not feel the same, power be to you. This is again subjectivity. Everyone is right in their perception here.
 Again friends, my intention of posting the ANT mod was not to generate a debate but to exercise caution prior to doing random mods, as heavily as they might be touted to be beneficial. I respect Mr. Nitkin's theory and practice of replacing the chip for the betterment of the deck. However, I personally would have been a bit unhappy, had I paid for this "upgrade" and for that I commend Willy. 
Thats all there is to this. In summary, enjoy your Naks as you like them. But please, lets not get hurtful.

I shall post briefly on the 4066 after I receive it and have it compared to the ANT chip.

Thanks for reading all this.

Ram.




________________________________
 From: Perry.nak <perry.nak at comcast.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with ANT4066 modification
 
So Ram,
What you are saying, and this is not an insult or tongue in cheek, is that you prefer the music with a certain amount of distortion, which is not unusual. The original 4066 switch has always been audio junk, for lack of a better word.  Original or not, it has poor specifications all around. I'm probably telling you stuff you already know, otherwise, why would you have had the mod done in the first place. The only thing the 4066 does in the Dragon, is switch the direction channels used in the rest of the electronics right after the head amps. In addition, the way that Nak incorporated the switch is the worst possible way, with a high + voltage on VCC and little - voltage at GND. Virtually every audio use of the 4066 in latter designs, by Nak and other manufacturers, uses balanced supplied voltages, as the capacitance, ON resistance, and FR are lower and more linear. It is easy to test if the sound difference you detect is the chip or the difference
 between those 2 Dragons. Si!
mply replace the ANT4066 with the original 4066. They are now socket mounted, and easily accessed, and the mod does not prevent use of the original chip in any way. Once the deck is on your bench, it takes all of 5 minutes.  I have installed 3 sets for customers, and one set I use in one of my Dragons. I have not found the sound signature you describe, nor have I gotten any feedback similar to it. In fact, I found no difference what so ever in the bass, only in the higher registers, and really, then, only with a certain definition of space or placement, not actual change in sound of an instrument. I have done the swap between 2 modded decks so each one had a session with original 4066s and the ANT4066. (and another modern 4066 replacement, also, not part of this discussion) to elimnate xhoice based on dexk differences, and never have I prefered the timbre of the original over the cleaner, lower resistance replacements. I can't say I was able to measure
 any actual change in !
distortion or frequency response though, to be honest, but I o!
nly meas
u
re THD, not individual harmonics.

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From adrian at mechner.net  Thu Aug 30 16:11:54 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 07:11:54 -0700
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
In-Reply-To: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689D9471@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
References: <1346283415.72637.YahooMailNeo@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<000001cd8655$f2037f30$d60a7d90$@net>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689D9471@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <9BD5FDFD-E77B-4412-A454-19A8DBC6BF7E@mechner.net>

This discussion can go forever... I respect your oppinion that while a deck sold for about 2k, the manufacturer saved the difference of price between orange caps and any other ("better ones"), priced at a buck higher, compromising the sound. Like I said, I respect your oppinion, but you should respect mine (that this is total crap) as well.
Adrian

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 30, 2012, at 3:47 AM, "Garner, Scott H" <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:

> Adrian,
> Let’s not forget that while Nakamichi made great decks they were also a company that was trying to make a profit. I had read post like yours before about how only naks in original condition  sound the way a nak should sound. It’s like saying that the deck only sounds correct if it still has the orange caps in it. Nak used the orange caps back then because they were cheap polys not because they were the best. The replacement caps you can get today from Wima and such are hands better in every way, that goes for replacement electrolytic caps as well. While I agree that when it comes to guitar amps and effect pedals and such that you want to keep the same parts type if you can but that’s because those things are suppose have a certain tone to them and changing parts would change the tone but when it comes to playback stuff you want the piece to have the least amount of sound of its own, a piece of wire with gain if you like. Naks sound great because they get the most info of the tape as possible and without adding any of their own sound to it. With that said one must be careful when doing mods, the guys at nak were smart and they knew the limits of the parts they had available to them at the time and designed around those limitations.
> Scott
>  
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:20 PM
> To: 'shanti ramachandran'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
>  
> I always said that a Nak sounds like a Nak only in mint original condition.
> Believing that they did not have the needed parts or brains at that time to make them even better, seriously offends the brand, the designers and engineers.
> Adrian
>  
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:37 PM
> To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
>  
> Hi friends,
>  
>  I'd like to share the ANT 4066 chip update that I had recently had done to my late serial number Dragon. The mod was done by a very competent tech( Willy Hermann of CA) in the USA and I have been comparing the modded deck with a stock Dragon and I was rudely shocked that the stock Dragon was much more pleasant sounding to my years both hot and cold and on every tape I threw at them.
>  
> The ANT 4066 chip modded Dragon might have increased the spec on distortion and all but in the real listening test the stock Dragon was superb. What has happened is that the unmodded  Dragon sounds fuller and tight bassed, whereas the modded one has lost a tad of the bass in its sound and gained (may be a perception of mine due to loss of bass)a tad treble. It sounds a bit closer to the CR7. However, I liked the sound of my stock CR7 better than this modded Dragon overall. So there you go. For me it was not worth it, even though WIlly did state the technical specs did improve on the ANT chip Dragon.
>  
> The above was my subjective listening tests that were corroborated with my teenage and early 20s' children. So it was not just me. The decks were set to the same output and all and it was done with 
>  
> Now, take it for whats it is worth. Weigh the costs for the upgrade and see if you really need the sound difference that the mod accomplishes. 
>  
> Thanks for reading all of this. Thanks Willy for the mod.
>  
> Ram.
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Thu Aug 30 16:21:53 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:21:53 -0300
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest and quoting
In-Reply-To: <60689F86-636B-452C-AAAC-B97BB276F2D8@gmx.de>
References: <201208301029.q7UA8743003650@zxe.naks.com>
	<60689F86-636B-452C-AAAC-B97BB276F2D8@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC404FD97EA@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Hi Spok,

If you mean we could start deleting the older text in our emails, it obviously can be done. But personally, I prefer the "unreadable" emails because in this way I don´t need to file all messages... and in this manner I now hold an important source of knowledge in Nakamichi affairs...

The important issue here is that we can all exchange views, learn (a lot) and help the less educated in the ways of electronic maintenance. I for one do not miss reading a NakTalk email, especially from Willy, Fred, Bala, Cheryl, Wouter (the webmaster that provides it all!!) and so many others (forgive me for not citing textually everyone!)that compose this great forum.

Have a great day and let´s enjoy (while we can) the joys of music with Nakamichi Hi Fi!!!

Rodrigo Krause



-----Mensagem original-----
De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de spok2000 at gmx.de
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 30 de agosto de 2012 07:35
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest and quoting

If only you guys could stop quoting multiple quotation levels in your replies.
It is downright unreadable.
C'mon, you can dig inside the most advanced cassette technology - is it not possible trying to understand simple email technology ?

Best,
spok
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Thu Aug 30 16:29:42 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:29:42 -0300
Subject: RES: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
In-Reply-To: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689D9471@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
References: <1346283415.72637.YahooMailNeo@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><000001cd8655$f2037f30$d60a7d90$@net>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689D9471@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC404FD97F1@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Very sensible remark, Scott. But the question that begets is "why did the mod done to our friend's Nak by Willy change the sound? Did it actually "remove" Nakamichi´s "financially sound" orange caps and other components influence how it sounds or did it actually make the sound "sound" as it should in the first place, had the decks been built with "better" quality components?

 

Thank you for reading my 2 cents of Hi Fi philosophy...!

 

R. Krause

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Garner, Scott H
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 30 de agosto de 2012 07:47
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.

 

Adrian,

Let's not forget that while Nakamichi made great decks they were also a company that was trying to make a profit. I had read post like yours before about how only naks in original condition  sound the way a nak should sound. It's like saying that the deck only sounds correct if it still has the orange caps in it. Nak used the orange caps back then because they were cheap polys not because they were the best. The replacement caps you can get today from Wima and such are hands better in every way, that goes for replacement electrolytic caps as well. While I agree that when it comes to guitar amps and effect pedals and such that you want to keep the same parts type if you can but that's because those things are suppose have a certain tone to them and changing parts would change the tone but when it comes to playback stuff you want the piece to have the least amount of sound of its own, a piece of wire with gain if you like. Naks sound great because they get the most info of the tape as possible and without adding any of their own sound to it. With that said one must be careful when doing mods, the guys at nak were smart and they knew the limits of the parts they had available to them at the time and designed around those limitations.

Scott

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:20 PM
To: 'shanti ramachandran'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.

 

I always said that a Nak sounds like a Nak only in mint original condition.

Believing that they did not have the needed parts or brains at that time to make them even better, seriously offends the brand, the designers and engineers. 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:37 PM
To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.

 

Hi friends,

 

 I'd like to share the ANT 4066 chip update that I had recently had done to my late serial number Dragon. The mod was done by a very competent tech( Willy Hermann of CA) in the USA and I have been comparing the modded deck with a stock Dragon and I was rudely shocked that the stock Dragon was much more pleasant sounding to my years both hot and cold and on every tape I threw at them.

 

The ANT 4066 chip modded Dragon might have increased the spec on distortion and all but in the real listening test the stock Dragon was superb. What has happened is that the unmodded  Dragon sounds fuller and tight bassed, whereas the modded one has lost a tad of the bass in its sound and gained (may be a perception of mine due to loss of bass)a tad treble. It sounds a bit closer to the CR7. However, I liked the sound of my stock CR7 better than this modded Dragon overall. So there you go. For me it was not worth it, even though WIlly did state the technical specs did improve on the ANT chip Dragon.

 

The above was my subjective listening tests that were corroborated with my teenage and early 20s' children. So it was not just me. The decks were set to the same output and all and it was done with 

 

Now, take it for whats it is worth. Weigh the costs for the upgrade and see if you really need the sound difference that the mod accomplishes. 

 

Thanks for reading all of this. Thanks Willy for the mod.

 

Ram.


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From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Thu Aug 30 17:28:21 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ronald Witt)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:28:21 -0400
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
In-Reply-To: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689D9471@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
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Scott,
I agree with you on all points and have to add that I believe Nakamichi did their design work to get the most out of every source onto the tape. Also, they had a strong will to quality design.  I'm sure the engineers would have given anything to have parts we can buy today however they knew how to get the most out of what they had. 

On the 4066 chip, it was originally designed to be used for digital multiplexing. To use it in audio switch applications one only needs to center the inputs and outputs with a voltage divider to allow full swing of the signal without clipping. We did this with the chip back in the eighties. Why Nak chose their design around the 4066 as they did is hard to know. Others did as well. 

Ron

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 30, 2012, at 6:47 AM, "Garner, Scott H" <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:

> Adrian,
> 
> Let’s not forget that while Nakamichi made great decks they were also a company that was trying to make a profit. I had read post like yours before about how only naks in original condition  sound the way a nak should sound. It’s like saying that the deck only sounds correct if it still has the orange caps in it. Nak used the orange caps back then because they were cheap polys not because they were the best. The replacement caps you can get today from Wima and such are hands better in every way, that goes for replacement electrolytic caps as well. While I agree that when it comes to guitar amps and effect pedals and such that you want to keep the same parts type if you can but that’s because those things are suppose have a certain tone to them and changing parts would change the tone but when it comes to playback stuff you want the piece to have the least amount of sound of its own, a piece of wire with gain if you like. Naks sound great because they get the most info of the tape as possible and without adding any of their own sound to it. With that said one must be careful when doing mods, the guys at nak were smart and they knew the limits of the parts they had available to them at the time and designed around those limitations.
> 
> Scott
> 
>  
> 
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:20 PM
> To: 'shanti ramachandran'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
> 
>  
> 
> I always said that a Nak sounds like a Nak only in mint original condition.
> 
> Believing that they did not have the needed parts or brains at that time to make them even better, seriously offends the brand, the designers and engineers.
> 
> Adrian
> 
>  
> 
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:37 PM
> To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
> 
>  
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
>  
> 
>  I'd like to share the ANT 4066 chip update that I had recently had done to my late serial number Dragon. The mod was done by a very competent tech( Willy Hermann of CA) in the USA and I have been comparing the modded deck with a stock Dragon and I was rudely shocked that the stock Dragon was much more pleasant sounding to my years both hot and cold and on every tape I threw at them.
> 
>  
> 
> The ANT 4066 chip modded Dragon might have increased the spec on distortion and all but in the real listening test the stock Dragon was superb. What has happened is that the unmodded  Dragon sounds fuller and tight bassed, whereas the modded one has lost a tad of the bass in its sound and gained (may be a perception of mine due to loss of bass)a tad treble. It sounds a bit closer to the CR7. However, I liked the sound of my stock CR7 better than this modded Dragon overall. So there you go. For me it was not worth it, even though WIlly did state the technical specs did improve on the ANT chip Dragon.
> 
>  
> 
> The above was my subjective listening tests that were corroborated with my teenage and early 20s' children. So it was not just me. The decks were set to the same output and all and it was done with 
> 
>  
> 
> Now, take it for whats it is worth. Weigh the costs for the upgrade and see if you really need the sound difference that the mod accomplishes. 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for reading all of this. Thanks Willy for the mod.
> 
>  
> 
> Ram.
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From adrian at mechner.net  Thu Aug 30 18:18:01 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:18:01 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: 4066 Modification.
In-Reply-To: <1EF2EA88-E198-4914-A37A-30EC9B77EE67@gmail.com>
References: <1346283415.72637.YahooMailNeo@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<000001cd8655$f2037f30$d60a7d90$@net>
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Dude,

There is a lot of information you provide here;  you teach me (us) how to
check the abilities of a cassette deck, you state that only COLUMBIA
cassettes are a valid comparison, then some crap about recording from
digital, then your personal point of view about how tape sounds compared to
CD. Later on it becomes  even more interesting; you start telling how
recording studios save money by going digital and how the quality is “not
perfect” (I seriously wonder where in all this you place yourself in order
to make this statements). Then you know what the Nakamichi engineers did,
and then you know that “The Japanese” had an obsession


You go further and state that you exactly know why buyers purchased the ZX 9
over the ZX 7, after which you jump strait to economics, talking about the
“Japanese inflation” while you state that is was called “The negative
Inflation” (Is this something like the “reverse racism”?).

Like I said a lot of mixed (and questionable) information out of which I
missed the point.

 

Adrian

 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Gerhard Wartha
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:04 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Re: 4066 Modification.

 

Yes Adrian, ...

 May way to check a cassette recorder is to compare him to a analogue music
source. Not more or less, he  will reach that if he is an NAKAMICHI.

 

I  do set record bias and  equalization to get the same sound  like on  the
record disc.  To proof  the sound of an old playback amplifier we can use
old  cassettes.  If we don´t have any, the  music cassettes made by COLUMBIA
are good to check  playback response.

 It is easy and interesting to buy a cassette  from a  vinyl record we have
already. 

 

It is  more easy to make  recordings from a digital source. A perfect
recorder  will be very near the CD. 

Some times  the tape recording is sounding  less digital. Or let me say,...
better.

Some recording Studios  are  working digital, to save on Equipment,  and do
a  not perfect made tape recording   after the digital sound mix was
finished. 

 

 The engineers from  NAKAMICHI  Research Inc. did went in a tone Studio to
compare the cassette recordings with  real music instruments.

 

Because of the japanese obsession at that time, to make everything better
than things made  in USA or europe, they did have money and time for
Research.

Then Thousands  ZX-7  owners  did buy  the " new " ZX-9, just because it was
a little more exact  tape transport  build in.

 

The japanese inflation at that time was the other way around !  That is
called negative inflation. 

 

Gerhard from europe

 

Am 30.08.2012 um 04:19 schrieb Adrian Mechner:

 

 





I always said that a Nak sounds like a Nak only in mint original condition.

Believing that they did not have the needed parts or brains at that time to
make them even better, seriously offends the brand, the designers and
engineers. 

Adrian

 

 

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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Thu Aug 30 22:17:06 2012
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:17:06 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with ANT4066 modification
In-Reply-To: <1346354040.70554.YahooMailNeo@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <mdp3a0fumh5ndtq3s8wuojns.1346329427002@email.android.com>
	<1346354040.70554.YahooMailNeo@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006101cd86ec$6cf71b70$46e55250$@math.utah.edu>

I must be missing something..What is an ANT chip and isn't 4066 a bilateral
switch CMOS chip?

 

Vic

 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of shanti ramachandran
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:14 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon with ANT4066 modification

 

Perry,

 

1. If you interpret my listening as "I like distortion", power be to you.
Analogue per se theoretically will have more distortion than digital, per
se. So we all are distortion lovers Perry.

2. What you might like as "better sounding" may not be to me. Its called
subjectivity, not objectivity. We have beaten this horse up many times to
death and I do not want to get there again.

3. I had heard of this mod and Willy volunteered to do this as the deck was
going in to him anyway for a restoration. He has not charged me for the mod
and I have not paid him for the mod. The mod was done for curiosity, similar
to the ZXL mod with the DD capstan motors years ago. It was for purely
learning.

4. I posted this very reluctantly, knowing responses like yours would come
in, but I did it any way so others can make an educated guess before they
spend money to do a mod on a wonder deck, the Dragon.

5. I shall be getting the original 4066 from Willy next week and I intend to
compare the 2 chips in the same deck and post too. I know I will use the Nak
4066 as I have heard this deck prior to the mod and it did match my other
Dragon very well.

6. In my conversations with Willy, he seemed to agree with my observations
that the different was not dramatic. He also felt the treble seemed
heightened a la a CR7. If you do not feel the same, power be to you. This is
again subjectivity. Everyone is right in their perception here.

 Again friends, my intention of posting the ANT mod was not to generate a
debate but to exercise caution prior to doing random mods, as heavily as
they might be touted to be beneficial. I respect Mr. Nitkin's theory and
practice of replacing the chip for the betterment of the deck. However, I
personally would have been a bit unhappy, had I paid for this "upgrade" and
for that I commend Willy. 

Thats all there is to this. In summary, enjoy your Naks as you like them.
But please, lets not get hurtful.

 

I shall post briefly on the 4066 after I receive it and have it compared to
the ANT chip.

 

Thanks for reading all this.

 

Ram.

 

 

 

  _____  

From: Perry.nak <perry.nak at comcast.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with ANT4066 modification


So Ram,
What you are saying, and this is not an insult or tongue in cheek, is that
you prefer the music with a certain amount of distortion, which is not
unusual. The original 4066 switch has always been audio junk, for lack of a
better word.  Original or not, it has poor specifications all around. I'm
probably telling you stuff you already know, otherwise, why would you have
had the mod done in the first place. The only thing the 4066 does in the
Dragon, is switch the direction channels used in the rest of the electronics
right after the head amps. In addition, the way that Nak incorporated the
switch is the worst possible way, with a high + voltage on VCC and little -
voltage at GND. Virtually every audio use of the 4066 in latter designs, by
Nak and other manufacturers, uses balanced supplied voltages, as the
capacitance, ON resistance, and FR are lower and more linear. It is easy to
test if the sound difference you detect is the chip or the difference
between those 2 Dragons. Si!
mply replace the ANT4066 with the original 4066. They are now socket
mounted, and easily accessed, and the mod does not prevent use of the
original chip in any way. Once the deck is on your bench, it takes all of 5
minutes.  I have installed 3 sets for customers, and one set I use in one of
my Dragons. I have not found the sound signature you describe, nor have I
gotten any feedback similar to it. In fact, I found no difference what so
ever in the bass, only in the higher registers, and really, then, only with
a certain definition of space or placement, not actual change in sound of an
instrument. I have done the swap between 2 modded decks so each one had a
session with original 4066s and the ANT4066. (and another modern 4066
replacement, also, not part of this discussion) to elimnate xhoice based on
dexk differences, and never have I prefered the timbre of the original over
the cleaner, lower resistance replacements. I can't say I was able to
measure any actual change in !
distortion or frequency response though, to be honest, but I o!
nly meas
u
re THD, not individual harmonics.

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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 30 23:43:21 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:43:21 +1000
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
In-Reply-To: <9BD5FDFD-E77B-4412-A454-19A8DBC6BF7E@mechner.net>
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I should say that both you guys are correct. 

As a company, Nakamichi had to balance the books and build products to a cost while meeting specs. This, as many of you know, is possible through careful engineering which is what we paid for. 

Today's components are way much better then those that Nak had. However, it isn't going to be simply a case of swapping parts, because the dynamics of that part in the circuit must be considered and adjustments be made if necessary. You would have to go through a partial design process in choosing the best suitable component and considering any other required changes in the circuit as well. Assuming that it's all done right, you tend to realize that it comes back to the same sound. 

I will never believe that an op amp can be simply plugged in and out without any circuit optimization because then you start hearing things the OP experienced. 

Nak components can be replaced with other types and if done right, should still sound like a Nak, unless the listener desires some other character in the sound. For this very reason, as good as Ferrite heads are, I tend to shy away from them. Naks are good but I like another make of cassette decks even better. 

This isn't to say that the Dragon can't be made 'better', but then we have to consider what better means. For something that has become a classic, I prefer to have the Dragon as it is with its flaws as well. 



Sent from my iPhone

On 31/08/2012, at 12:11 AM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

> This discussion can go forever... I respect your oppinion that while a deck sold for about 2k, the manufacturer saved the difference of price between orange caps and any other ("better ones"), priced at a buck higher, compromising the sound. Like I said, I respect your oppinion, but you should respect mine (that this is total crap) as well.
> Adrian
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Aug 30, 2012, at 3:47 AM, "Garner, Scott H" <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
> 
>> Adrian,
>> Let’s not forget that while Nakamichi made great decks they were also a company that was trying to make a profit. I had read post like yours before about how only naks in original condition  sound the way a nak should sound. It’s like saying that the deck only sounds correct if it still has the orange caps in it. Nak used the orange caps back then because they were cheap polys not because they were the best. The replacement caps you can get today from Wima and such are hands better in every way, that goes for replacement electrolytic caps as well. While I agree that when it comes to guitar amps and effect pedals and such that you want to keep the same parts type if you can but that’s because those things are suppose have a certain tone to them and changing parts would change the tone but when it comes to playback stuff you want the piece to have the least amount of sound of its own, a piece of wire with gain if you like. Naks sound great because they get the most info of the tape as possible and without adding any of their own sound to it. With that said one must be careful when doing mods, the guys at nak were smart and they knew the limits of the parts they had available to them at the time and designed around those limitations.
>> Scott
>>  
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:20 PM
>> To: 'shanti ramachandran'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
>> Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
>>  
>> I always said that a Nak sounds like a Nak only in mint original condition.
>> Believing that they did not have the needed parts or brains at that time to make them even better, seriously offends the brand, the designers and engineers.
>> Adrian
>>  
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:37 PM
>> To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
>>  
>> Hi friends,
>>  
>>  I'd like to share the ANT 4066 chip update that I had recently had done to my late serial number Dragon. The mod was done by a very competent tech( Willy Hermann of CA) in the USA and I have been comparing the modded deck with a stock Dragon and I was rudely shocked that the stock Dragon was much more pleasant sounding to my years both hot and cold and on every tape I threw at them.
>>  
>> The ANT 4066 chip modded Dragon might have increased the spec on distortion and all but in the real listening test the stock Dragon was superb. What has happened is that the unmodded  Dragon sounds fuller and tight bassed, whereas the modded one has lost a tad of the bass in its sound and gained (may be a perception of mine due to loss of bass)a tad treble. It sounds a bit closer to the CR7. However, I liked the sound of my stock CR7 better than this modded Dragon overall. So there you go. For me it was not worth it, even though WIlly did state the technical specs did improve on the ANT chip Dragon.
>>  
>> The above was my subjective listening tests that were corroborated with my teenage and early 20s' children. So it was not just me. The decks were set to the same output and all and it was done with 
>>  
>> Now, take it for whats it is worth. Weigh the costs for the upgrade and see if you really need the sound difference that the mod accomplishes. 
>>  
>> Thanks for reading all of this. Thanks Willy for the mod.
>>  
>> Ram.
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Thu Aug 30 23:49:17 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:49:17 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] A.N.T. 4066
Message-ID: <CAM9V8McgJ8P5h8F-8jzopcZaV4yVQZOuwxKkyMOLWfJTD1zZeg@mail.gmail.com>

One point which hasn't been yet made:  The original uPC4066BC chip is run
at +12/-2.2V in the head switching circuit.  The ANT chip must have +/-12V.
 The original chip will work fine at +/-12V so they can be swapped back and
forth but the claim from Alex Nikitin at A.N.T.Audio is that this voltage
mis-match is part of the reason for the degradation of sound in the
original deck.  Consequently, swapping the original chip back into the
circuit will NOT return the deck to the exactly original state.

There's one more thing for y'all to argue about ;-)

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From davidt124 at internode.on.net  Fri Aug 31 00:45:53 2012
From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:45:53 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: 4066 Modification.
In-Reply-To: <000a01cd86cb$071da9c0$1558fd40$@net>
Message-ID: <CC6629C9.C437%davidt124@internode.on.net>

Dude ­ the Urban Dictionary says "A word that americans use to address each
other. Particularly stoners, surfers and skaters."

Not the greatest form of address for an international forum.

David 

From:  Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
Reply-To:  Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Date:  Friday, 31 August 2012 2:18 AM
To:  Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject:  RE: [naktalk] Re: 4066 Modification.

> Dude,
> There is a lot of information you provide here;  you teach me (us) how to
> check the abilities of a cassette deck, you state that only COLUMBIA cassettes
> are a valid comparison, then some crap about recording from digital, then your
> personal point of view about how tape sounds compared to CD. Later on it
> becomes  even more interesting; you start telling how recording studios save
> money by going digital and how the quality is ³not perfect² (I seriously
> wonder where in all this you place yourself in order to make this statements).
> Then you know what the Nakamichi engineers did, and then you know that ³The
> Japanese² had an obsessionŠ
> You go further and state that you exactly know why buyers purchased the ZX 9
> over the ZX 7, after which you jump strait to economics, talking about the
> ³Japanese inflation² while you state that is was called ³The negative
> Inflation² (Is this something like the ³reverse racism²?).
> Like I said a lot of mixed (and questionable) information out of which I
> missed the point.
>  
> Adrian
>  
>  
> 
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of
> Gerhard Wartha
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:04 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: 4066 Modification.
>  
> Yes Adrian, ...
> 
>  May way to check a cassette recorder is to compare him to a analogue music
> source. Not more or less, he  will reach that if he is an NAKAMICHI.
> 
>  
> 
> I  do set record bias and  equalization to get the same sound  like on  the
> record disc.  To proof  the sound of an old playback amplifier we can use  old
> cassettes.  If we don´t have any, the  music cassettes made by COLUMBIA are
> good to check  playback response.
> 
>  It is easy and interesting to buy a cassette  from a  vinyl record we have
> already. 
> 
>  
> 
> It is  more easy to make  recordings from a digital source. A perfect
> recorder  will be very near the CD.
> 
> Some times  the tape recording is sounding  less digital. Or let me say,...
> better.
> 
> Some recording Studios  are  working digital, to save on Equipment,  and do a
> not perfect made tape recording   after the digital sound mix was finished.
> 
>  
> 
>  The engineers from  NAKAMICHI  Research Inc. did went in a tone Studio to
> compare the cassette recordings with  real music instruments.
> 
>  
> 
> Because of the japanese obsession at that time, to make everything better
> than things made  in USA or europe, they did have money and time for
> Research.
> 
> Then Thousands  ZX-7  owners  did buy  the " new " ZX-9, just because it was a
> little more exact  tape transport  build in.
> 
>  
> 
> The japanese inflation at that time was the other way around !  That is called
> negative inflation.
> 
>  
> 
> Gerhard from europe
> 
>  
> 
> Am 30.08.2012 um 04:19 schrieb Adrian Mechner:
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> I always said that a Nak sounds like a Nak only in mint original condition.
> Believing that they did not have the needed parts or brains at that time to
> make them even better, seriously offends the brand, the designers and
> engineers. 
> Adrian
>  
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 31 02:30:14 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:30:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with ANT4066 modification
In-Reply-To: <006101cd86ec$6cf71b70$46e55250$@math.utah.edu>
References: <mdp3a0fumh5ndtq3s8wuojns.1346329427002@email.android.com>
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Vic,

Alex Nitkin from the UK manufactures( or has it manufactured) and has done research proving this chip has lesser distortion than the original 4066 cmos switch
that Nak installed in the Dragon, besides other decks. 

Heres a link:
http://www.ant-audio.co.uk/index.php?cat=post&qry=ant4066


Thanks,

Ram.

________________________________
 From: Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu>
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 4:17 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon with ANT4066 modification
 

I must be missing something….What is an ANT chip and isn’t 4066 a bilateral switch CMOS chip?
 
Vic
 
 
From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:14 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon with ANT4066 modification
 
Perry,
 
1. If you interpret my listening as "I like distortion", power be to you. Analogue per se theoretically will have more distortion than digital, per se. So we all are distortion lovers Perry.
2. What you might like as "better sounding" may not be to me. Its called subjectivity, not objectivity. We have beaten this horse up many times to death and I do not want to get there again.
3. I had heard of this mod and Willy volunteered to do this as the deck was going in to him anyway for a restoration. He has not charged me for the mod and I have not paid him for the mod. The mod was done for curiosity, similar to the ZXL mod with the DD capstan motors years ago. It was for purely learning.
4. I posted this very reluctantly, knowing responses like yours would come in, but I did it any way so others can make an educated guess before they spend money to do a mod on a wonder deck, the Dragon.
5. I shall be getting the original 4066 from Willy next week and I intend to compare the 2 chips in the same deck and post too. I know I will use the Nak 4066 as I have heard this deck prior to the mod and it did match my other Dragon very well.
6. In my conversations with Willy, he seemed to agree with my observations that the different was not dramatic. He also felt the treble seemed heightened a la a CR7. If you do not feel the same, power be to you. This is again subjectivity. Everyone is right in their perception here.
 Again friends, my intention of posting the ANT mod was not to generate a debate but to exercise caution prior to doing random mods, as heavily as they might be touted to be beneficial. I respect Mr. Nitkin's theory and practice of replacing the chip for the betterment of the deck. However, I personally would have been a bit unhappy, had I paid for this "upgrade" and for that I commend Willy. 
Thats all there is to this. In summary, enjoy your Naks as you like them. But please, lets not get hurtful.
 
I shall post briefly on the 4066 after I receive it and have it compared to the ANT chip.
 
Thanks for reading all this.
 
Ram.
 
 
 

________________________________

From:Perry.nak <perry.nak at comcast.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with ANT4066 modification

So Ram,
What you are saying, and this is not an insult or tongue in cheek, is that you prefer the music with a certain amount of distortion, which is not unusual. The original 4066 switch has always been audio junk, for lack of a better word.  Original or not, it has poor specifications all around. I'm probably telling you stuff you already know, otherwise, why would you have had the mod done in the first place. The only thing the 4066 does in the Dragon, is switch the direction channels used in the rest of the electronics right after the head amps. In addition, the way that Nak incorporated the switch is the worst possible way, with a high + voltage on VCC and little - voltage at GND. Virtually every audio use of the 4066 in latter designs, by Nak and other manufacturers, uses balanced supplied voltages, as the capacitance, ON resistance, and FR are lower and more linear. It is easy to test if the sound difference you detect is the chip or the difference
 between those 2 Dragons. Si!
mply replace the ANT4066 with the original 4066. They are now socket mounted, and easily accessed, and the mod does not prevent use of the original chip in any way. Once the deck is on your bench, it takes all of 5 minutes.  I have installed 3 sets for customers, and one set I use in one of my Dragons. I have not found the sound signature you describe, nor have I gotten any feedback similar to it. In fact, I found no difference what so ever in the bass, only in the higher registers, and really, then, only with a certain definition of space or placement, not actual change in sound of an instrument. I have done the swap between 2 modded decks so each one had a session with original 4066s and the ANT4066. (and another modern 4066 replacement, also, not part of this discussion) to elimnate xhoice based on dexk differences, and never have I prefered the timbre of the original over the cleaner, lower resistance replacements. I can't say I was able to measure
 any actual change in !
distortion or frequency response though, to be honest, but I o!
nly meas
u
re THD, not individual harmonics.

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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 31 07:07:00 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:07:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] A.N.T. 4066
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8McgJ8P5h8F-8jzopcZaV4yVQZOuwxKkyMOLWfJTD1zZeg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1346389620.13666.YahooMailNeo@web112705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Therefore, it would be a moot point to reverse the chip and look for a change in the sound..........

I can live with both the Dragons' as they are now for a very long time. No arguments from moi! Thanks Willy.

Ram.


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 From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:49 PM
Subject: [naktalk] A.N.T. 4066
 

One point which hasn't been yet made:  The original uPC4066BC chip is run at +12/-2.2V in the head switching circuit.  The ANT chip must have +/-12V.  The original chip will work fine at +/-12V so they can be swapped back and forth but the claim from Alex Nikitin at A.N.T.Audio is that this voltage mis-match is part of the reason for the degradation of sound in the original deck.  Consequently, swapping the original chip back into the circuit will NOT return the deck to the exactly original state.  

There's one more thing for y'all to argue about ;-)

Willy
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Fri Aug 31 14:45:46 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:45:46 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mod with ANT4066
Message-ID: <2ltm7rpej5cmydwom06i80mm.1346417146080@email.android.com>

I specfically stated that there was no insult or tongue in cheek. I am just responding with another view of someone experienced with the mod. Yes, if you like analogue, you DO enjoy a certain amount of certain distortions in your music. That is correct. Certain distortions are more pleasing to the ear. None of this is new. In no way did I mean to, or rereading my post, see that I diminished your opinion or review. Why would you be reluctant to post your opinion, for fear someone might respond as I did? Is my Aspergers so bad that I really can't tell if I'm offending someone in a post? Did others read my post as a slam to Ram? Since I've been reading the digest here for years, and have read everything from the beginning, I know the ANT4066 has never been discussed. Therefore, Rams post would be the only, and, a negative one, regarding this. I simply provided more info. Btw, and Ram did not say this, but it was inferred, the chip does NOT make a Dragon sound like a CR-7. More CR-7ish, if you will. Like Ram, While I love using my CR-7, and other Sankyo based decks, I still prefer the sound of the older transport models, especially the ZX-7/9 and Dragons. And 68/7/6x models. And the LX5. Oh, and the RX-505.  

Willy, I did point out the unbalanced supply, as did Ron. And mentioned that balancing it can only improve performance of the original chip, but maybe you emailed in your post before Rons. Exactly the same as the original installation? No, you are correct, but wow, now we're really splitting hairs. This not an opamp or audio transistor, that is going to or supposed to color the sound, it's just supposed to be a switch. If there was room for relays in there, that would be the ultimate solution. And Ron is correct, the 4066 was never designed for audio use, according to its own spec sheets. It literally was, for designers, however, an easy to use, tiny multiswitch in a box. (I don't see any of this as arguing, simply exchanging information and ideas. Am I wrong? ) It was, for many years the only switch of its kind, so it was used by many, many manufacturers. And as soon as better alternatives were available, they were used. Now, it is entirely possible, though I see no signs of it in the circuits, that Nak knew exactly what the characteristics of the switch would do to the sound and compensated for it, but since the Dragons circuits are so similar to decks with no 4066, that doesn't seem likely. When I first installed the ANT version, I was at first disappointed. There was so little difference, I guess I expected more. But as everyone has pointed out, the Dragon is damn fine sounding, as is, so how much "improvement" could I really expect?

 In comparison, when I replaced the large number of other early cmos switches with modern, more audio centric ones, in my Revox decks, (B215s and B710s) I easily measured large drops in the noise floor, and greatly improved audio.

I sure hope that every dissenting opinion is not biewed as an arguement here. I have no interest in a mutual admiration society. 

And FWIW, I too find posts with 10 layers of repetitive past posts very annoying. I read this often on my phone, and wow, what a royal PITA those can be.

Flame suit ON!




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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 31 16:22:21 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:22:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mod with ANT4066
In-Reply-To: <2ltm7rpej5cmydwom06i80mm.1346417146080@email.android.com>
References: <2ltm7rpej5cmydwom06i80mm.1346417146080@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <1346422941.48272.YahooMailNeo@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Perry,

I respect you and your opinions always. Yes, multiple opinions are always helpful for non technical individuals like me and others make an informed decision.
In brevity,  my intention was to let the members know that the mod changed sound so little(for me and  and not to my liking) that "for me" the mod was not warranted. 

Thanks for your varied opinion. Hope all of this makes sense to members who are contemplating this mod.

Once again, I commend Willy for trying this mod out and getting opinions ( he knows how opinionated I can get) prior to offering this as a routine in Dragon restorations.

No offense taken or intended to or from anyone.

Peace.

Ram.





________________________________
 From: Perry.nak <perry.nak at comcast.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 8:45 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mod with ANT4066
 
I specfically stated that there was no insult or tongue in cheek. I am just responding with another view of someone experienced with the mod. Yes, if you like analogue, you DO enjoy a certain amount of certain distortions in your music. That is correct. Certain distortions are more pleasing to the ear. None of this is new. In no way did I mean to, or rereading my post, see that I diminished your opinion or review. Why would you be reluctant to post your opinion, for fear someone might respond as I did? Is my Aspergers so bad that I really can't tell if I'm offending someone in a post? Did others read my post as a slam to Ram? Since I've been reading the digest here for years, and have read everything from the beginning, I know the ANT4066 has never been discussed. Therefore, Rams post would be the only, and, a negative one, regarding this. I simply provided more info. Btw, and Ram did not say this, but it was inferred, the chip does NOT make a Dragon
 sound like a CR-7. More !
CR-7ish, if you will. Like Ram, While I love using my CR-7, and other Sankyo based decks, I still prefer the sound of the older transport models, especially the ZX-7/9 and Dragons. And 68/7/6x models. And the LX5. Oh, and the RX-505.  

Willy, I did point out the unbalanced supply, as did Ron. And mentioned that balancing it can only improve performance of the original chip, but maybe you emailed in your post before Rons. Exactly the same as the original installation? No, you are correct, but wow, now we're really splitting hairs. This not an opamp or audio transistor, that is going to or supposed to color the sound, it's just supposed to be a switch. If there was room for relays in there, that would be the ultimate solution. And Ron is correct, the 4066 was never designed for audio use, according to its own spec sheets. It literally was, for designers, however, an easy to use, tiny multiswitch in a box. (I don't see any of this as arguing, simply exchanging information and ideas. Am I wrong? ) It was, for many years the only switch of its kind, so it was used by many, many manufacturers. And as soon as better alternatives were available, they were used. Now, it is entirely possible,
 though I see no signs o!
f it in the circuits, that Nak knew exactly what the characteristics of the switch would do to the sound and compensated for it, but since the Dragons circuits are so similar to decks with no 4066, that doesn't seem likely. When I first installed the ANT version, I was at first disappointed. There was so little difference, I guess I expected more. But as everyone has pointed out, the Dragon is damn fine sounding, as is, so how much "improvement" could I really expect?

In comparison, when I replaced the large number of other early cmos switches with modern, more audio centric ones, in my Revox decks, (B215s and B710s) I easily measured large drops in the noise floor, and greatly improved audio.

I sure hope that every dissenting opinion is not biewed as an arguement here. I have no interest in a mutual admiration society. 

And FWIW, I too find posts with 10 layers of repetitive past posts very annoying. I read this often on my phone, and wow, what a royal PITA those can be.

Flame suit ON!




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From mcole01 at comcast.net  Tue Dec  4 03:33:20 2012
From: mcole01 at comcast.net (Michael Cole)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 21:33:20 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXE/ZXL silver button covers
Message-ID: <A235FFB67C7F48C6B52A1ED9EE09575B@MichaelPC>

Hello,

I just purchased a 700ZXE which is missing two of the the six silver button covers.  Might any of the members have a parts machine from which I can purchase two button covers?  Failing that, is it possible to modify the buttons from an LX-3/5 as they appear to be similar in shape, although I’m not sure about their size.

Please contact me off list if you can help (mcole01 at comcast.net).

Best,

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Dec  4 10:24:52 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:24:52 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXE/ZXL silver button covers
In-Reply-To: <A235FFB67C7F48C6B52A1ED9EE09575B@MichaelPC>
References: <A235FFB67C7F48C6B52A1ED9EE09575B@MichaelPC>
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Hey Mike,

700ZXE/ZXL buttons are completely different from LX3/5 buttons.

Wouter

> Hello,
>
> I just purchased a 700ZXE which is missing two of the the six silver
> button covers.  Might any of the members have a parts machine from which I
> can purchase two button covers?  Failing that, is it possible to modify
> the buttons from an LX-3/5 as they appear to be similar in shape, although
> I’m not sure about their size.
>
> Please contact me off list if you can help (mcole01 at comcast.net).
>
> Best,
>
> Mike



From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Tue Dec  4 18:43:40 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 18:43:40 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CR4 better than CR5 ?!
Message-ID: <50BE364C.4@univ-rennes1.fr>

Hi everybody

Comparing the specifications of CR4 and 5, I came to the conclusion that 
the former is better than the latter in terms of Frequency Response 
where W&F is the same (quite expected as the same transport is inside both).

CR5 FR : 20-20 000 +/- 3dB
CR4 FR : 20-21 000 +/- 3dB

Furthermore, the CR4 has a dual bias/Level meter-assisted calibration 
procedure but the CR5 has only the "usual" bias tune potentiometer.

Is my conclusion correct?

Bernard



From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Tue Dec  4 20:57:54 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 20:57:54 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] original Nakamichi pressure rollers
Message-ID: <50BE55C2.8090607@univ-rennes1.fr>

Dear Naktalkers,

I have (again) 8 sets of original Nakamichi pressure rollers to sell 
(0C0 8164 G).
They fit all classic transport decks (I have a doubt about the RX 303 & 
505 for which the ref number is different).

  I should add that one set was recently mounted on a ZX-9 by one of us 
and they match exactly and work properly

If interested, please contact me off list.

bernard

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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  4 22:36:56 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 13:36:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] CR4 better than CR5 ?!
In-Reply-To: <50BE364C.4@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <50BE364C.4@univ-rennes1.fr>
Message-ID: <1354657016.42811.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

In my experience the CR4 has better recording abilities due to the level and bias individual adjustments. However, the CR5 has been the better sounding deck for playback,
sounding as good as the CR7. In fact on properly recorded tapes( correct azimuth etc..) the CR5 and CR7 sound identical to me. The Cr4 falls off a bit
on the sound quality as compared to the CR5/7.( not as open and transparent)

In case of recordings, one can titrate the CR4 to closely match any tape( by adjusting bias) and recordings can be better than in the CR7 too, and much better than the CR5 by a long shot.

Of course these are my findings.

Ram.


________________________________
 From: bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 12:43 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR4 better than CR5 ?!
 
Hi everybody

Comparing the specifications of CR4 and 5, I came to the conclusion that the former is better than the latter in terms of Frequency Response where W&F is the same (quite expected as the same transport is inside both).

CR5 FR : 20-20 000 +/- 3dB
CR4 FR : 20-21 000 +/- 3dB

Furthermore, the CR4 has a dual bias/Level meter-assisted calibration procedure but the CR5 has only the "usual" bias tune potentiometer.

Is my conclusion correct?

Bernard

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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Wed Dec  5 14:04:31 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 13:04:31 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 better than CR-5?
Message-ID: <975314552-1354712672-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-755910740-@b3.c16.bise6.blackberry>

Please read this post from Tapeheads. It really closes the gap on playback between the 2.  Http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=21671&page=2

I haven't completed my testing yet comparing the two, but so far its a dead heat.
Perry Esposito - From my phone


From solum at onelinkpr.net  Wed Dec  5 13:04:22 2012
From: solum at onelinkpr.net (solum solum)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 08:04:22 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] original Nakamichi pressure rollers
In-Reply-To: <50BE55C2.8090607@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <50BE55C2.8090607@univ-rennes1.fr>
Message-ID: <CAHtVDTyxR-1TvERMYB8ZO-wxyX5rgCftZJSsSQPeJa79_ZXXQw@mail.gmail.com>

Would you have one exact match for the Nakamichi 600 pinch roller?

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 3:57 PM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:
> Dear Naktalkers,
>
> I have (again) 8 sets of original Nakamichi pressure rollers to sell (0C0
> 8164 G).
> They fit all classic transport decks (I have a doubt about the RX 303 & 505
> for which the ref number is different).
>
>  I should add that one set was recently mounted on a ZX-9 by one of us and
> they match exactly and work properly
>
> If interested, please contact me off list.
>
> bernard
>
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From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Wed Dec  5 16:29:15 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 16:29:15 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 better than CR-5?
In-Reply-To: <975314552-1354712672-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-755910740-@b3.c16.bise6.blackberry>
References: <975314552-1354712672-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-755910740-@b3.c16.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <50BF684B.5050807@univ-rennes1.fr>

Very, very instructive ( and so surprising) ! I will try it asap
Thanks Perry

Le 05/12/2012 14:04, perry.nak at comcast.net a écrit :
> Please read this post from Tapeheads. It really closes the gap on playback between the 2.  Http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=21671&page=2
>
> I haven't completed my testing yet comparing the two, but so far its a dead heat.
> Perry Esposito - From my phone
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Dec  5 16:37:07 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 16:37:07 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 better than CR-5?
In-Reply-To: <975314552-1354712672-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-755910740-@
	b3.c16.bise6.blackberry>
References: <975314552-1354712672-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-755910740-@b3.c16.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <3bd7999e32fdefcda43aeb9fa8fe8c82.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Thanks Perry!
I will lookup my CR4 and try this.
Wouter

> Please read this post from Tapeheads. It really closes the gap on playback
> between the 2.  Http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=21671&page=2
>
> I haven't completed my testing yet comparing the two, but so far its a
> dead heat.
> Perry Esposito - From my phone




From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Wed Dec  5 17:23:44 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:23:44 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] original Nakamichi pressure rollers
In-Reply-To: <CAHtVDTyxR-1TvERMYB8ZO-wxyX5rgCftZJSsSQPeJa79_ZXXQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50BE55C2.8090607@univ-rennes1.fr>
	<CAHtVDTyxR-1TvERMYB8ZO-wxyX5rgCftZJSsSQPeJa79_ZXXQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50BF7510.1050302@univ-rennes1.fr>

No, sorry, they do not fit the 600.

Le 05/12/2012 13:04, solum solum a écrit :
> Would you have one exact match for the Nakamichi 600 pinch roller?
>
> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 3:57 PM, bb<bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr>  wrote:
>> Dear Naktalkers,
>>
>> I have (again) 8 sets of original Nakamichi pressure rollers to sell (0C0
>> 8164 G).
>> They fit all classic transport decks (I have a doubt about the RX 303&  505
>> for which the ref number is different).
>>
>>   I should add that one set was recently mounted on a ZX-9 by one of us and
>> they match exactly and work properly
>>
>> If interested, please contact me off list.
>>
>> bernard
>>
>>
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From solum at onelinkpr.net  Wed Dec  5 18:22:29 2012
From: solum at onelinkpr.net (solum solum)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 13:22:29 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] original Nakamichi pressure rollers
In-Reply-To: <50BE55C2.8090607@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <50BE55C2.8090607@univ-rennes1.fr>
Message-ID: <CAHtVDTzdDhp7nTxpk8tJGm1r-qArAmeHcjDHA+xD+8-eTv93_g@mail.gmail.com>

Would you have the pressure roller for the Nakamichi 600?
If so, how much?
Regards,
Alberto

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 3:57 PM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:
> Dear Naktalkers,
>
> I have (again) 8 sets of original Nakamichi pressure rollers to sell (0C0
> 8164 G).
> They fit all classic transport decks (I have a doubt about the RX 303 & 505
> for which the ref number is different).
>
>  I should add that one set was recently mounted on a ZX-9 by one of us and
> they match exactly and work properly
>
> If interested, please contact me off list.
>
> bernard
>
>
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From chartz at club-internet.fr  Wed Dec  5 18:31:33 2012
From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 18:31:33 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 better than CR-5?
In-Reply-To: <975314552-1354712672-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-755910740-@b3.c16.bise6.blackberry>
References: <975314552-1354712672-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-755910740-@b3.c16.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <64EEFCC2-C511-43E8-9D4D-B70BE93D5BEA@club-internet.fr>

Hi,

I did the mod, very effective !

Also here: http://www.ant-audio.co.uk/index.php?cat=post&qry=Modifications

Jacques 


From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Wed Dec  5 21:42:47 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 21:42:47 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] original Nakamichi pressure rollers
In-Reply-To: <CAHtVDTzdDhp7nTxpk8tJGm1r-qArAmeHcjDHA+xD+8-eTv93_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50BE55C2.8090607@univ-rennes1.fr>
	<CAHtVDTzdDhp7nTxpk8tJGm1r-qArAmeHcjDHA+xD+8-eTv93_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50BFB1C7.6090601@univ-rennes1.fr>

Alberto,

No, these rollers do not fit the 600.
Sorry

bernard

Le 05/12/2012 18:22, solum solum a écrit :
> Would you have the pressure roller for the Nakamichi 600?
> If so, how much?
> Regards,
> Alberto
>
> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 3:57 PM, bb<bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr>  wrote:
>> Dear Naktalkers,
>>
>> I have (again) 8 sets of original Nakamichi pressure rollers to sell (0C0
>> 8164 G).
>> They fit all classic transport decks (I have a doubt about the RX 303&  505
>> for which the ref number is different).
>>
>>   I should add that one set was recently mounted on a ZX-9 by one of us and
>> they match exactly and work properly
>>
>> If interested, please contact me off list.
>>
>> bernard
>>
>>
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>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From alpha at iinet.net.au  Thu Dec  6 06:20:04 2012
From: alpha at iinet.net.au (Nigel Day)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 13:20:04 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] original Nakamichi pressure rollers
In-Reply-To: <50BE55C2.8090607@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <50BE55C2.8090607@univ-rennes1.fr>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJrMuoo8aN5LnBp6yRZ/a5nCgAAAEAAAAJZyBPZ6VN5OowzrZg0aMEwBAAAAAA==@iinet.net.au>

Hi Bernard
I'd like to order a set.  

How much are they?  
How do I pay you?  
What transpoort costs are involved for shipping to Perth Western Australia
6019?

Cheers

Nigel


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of bb
Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012 3:58 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] original Nakamichi pressure rollers

Dear Naktalkers,

I have (again) 8 sets of original Nakamichi pressure rollers to sell (0C0
8164 G).
They fit all classic transport decks (I have a doubt about the RX 303 &
505 for which the ref number is different).

  I should add that one set was recently mounted on a ZX-9 by one of us and
they match exactly and work properly

If interested, please contact me off list.

bernard




From drucyphr at gmail.com  Thu Dec  6 16:10:27 2012
From: drucyphr at gmail.com (drucyphr)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:10:27 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions
Message-ID: <CAB50Kq7nOEafGdG_o-m8g6RREvZcCfpat2sBemNT+9hRfc30_w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Naks, new member here.

A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing
a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used
one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he
listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I
talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent
price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi.

The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the
lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel
spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the
motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled.

I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.

Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight
forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there
any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open?

Thanks for the help.
-Andrew
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Dec  6 18:03:07 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 18:03:07 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nak Head Maintenance]
Message-ID: <59e6fd889567a3c1bb05eef231bba732.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

I'm just forwarding this...
---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Nak Head Maintenance
From:    "RSB"
Date:    Thu, December 6, 2012 17:57
To:      naktalk-owner at naks.com
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What is the best procedure for cleaning and demagnetizing NAK heads?  I have
a 480 and 505.



Rob

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From daniel.botelho at gmail.com  Thu Dec  6 16:51:53 2012
From: daniel.botelho at gmail.com (Daniel Botelho)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:51:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions
In-Reply-To: <CAB50Kq7nOEafGdG_o-m8g6RREvZcCfpat2sBemNT+9hRfc30_w@mail.gmail.com>
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Sounds like an.idler tire to me.  May as well get both if your tearing into
it, but the idler tire would be the culprit.

You should.be able to open the cassette door, pull the cassette door cover
up and.pdf, and close it.  Try to hit the play button and see if the.take
up spindle turns at all. You will probably feel it spinning or trying to,
but it's most likely slipping.

The idler tire is probably good for a couple of years...
On Dec 6, 2012 10:43 AM, "drucyphr" <drucyphr at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Naks, new member here.
>
> A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing
> a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used
> one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he
> listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I
> talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent
> price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi.
>
> The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the
> lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel
> spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the
> motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled.
>
> I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.
>
> Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight
> forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there
> any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open?
>
> Thanks for the help.
> -Andrew
>
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From adrian at mechner.net  Fri Dec  7 20:40:42 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 11:40:42 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Excellent source for Nak recordings
Message-ID: <000001cdd4b2$be866b80$3b934280$@mechner.net>

Hi all,

I decided to take the next step towards CD playback.

This is why I decided to sell my ARCAM Alpha 7SE (CD Player). It is in mint
condition, comes with the remote control, the original power cable and a
printed Owner's Manual. Compared to Nak sound I can only say that it sound
more detailed then the OMS-2A and better than most CD players under $1000
ever I had the opportunity to test along the time.  

Priced low for a fast transaction at only $280.

If anyone is interested, please contact me in private. This is the US
version, so NO international shipping, unless you're in a country with same
power as US. Flat US shipping of $20, buyer pays 3% PayPal. Photos upon
request .

 

Thanks and have a great weekend.

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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  8 01:27:23 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:27:23 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Car stereo fans please take note-TD500/TD700 gear
In-Reply-To: <1354164278.27019.YahooMailClassic@web164504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Scott,
 Gear #4.   There is quite a bit of force on these teeth at the point where
the loading cassette reaches the back of its travel and is about to drop
down into play position. When one tooth chips, you will not notice any
problem. Two chipped teeth add a hesitation when the tape reaches the rear,
but the loading will complete. 3 chipped teeth and the deck will not load.

Use the TD 500 in your Mercedes!       I like the Nak tuners, but you are
correct that the TD 1200 is much better than the 700. In my opinion the TD
1200 was the best FM ever made in a car stereo.
  Thanks for the beautiful photographs.


On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Tom,
> What is the symptom of a deck that has a bad gear?  Also which gear is it?
> I have just pulled a loading mechanism out of the old bone pile and have
> taken a few pictures from different angles and numbered the gears.  I have
> put them on the following web page.
> http://www.nakremotes.com/TD-500_Load.htm
>
> I agree they are fantastic sounding decks, but, the TD-500 does have
> problems over rough pavement.  I wish I had bought the TD-700 with it's
> dual capstans, but, the TD-500 was already a stretch at the time.  The
> tuner sucked though.  I later upgraded to a TD-1200II and the tape section
> was awesome and the tuner was pretty good too.  BTW that deck also had a
> problem with a bad gear.  The little white gear at the top of the drive
> motor had a tendency to split and cause a 2 to 3 Hz ticking sound.  A guy
> in France contacted me years ago to tell me that he made a mold and was
> selling them.  Not sure if he's still around.
>
> Scott J
>
> --- On *Wed, 11/28/12, Tom Brucker <nakdoc77 at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Tom Brucker <nakdoc77 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Car stereo fans please take note-TD500/TD700 gear
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 8:36 AM
>
>
> My machinist has just informed me that he will machine the TD 700 loading
> gear in brass, with availability in 4 weeks!  I have 6 decks in my shop
> right now that need gears. I will be selling the gear to anyone in the Nak
> community, so keep your eyes open for my announcement after I test the
> brass gear.  If you have TD500, 700, or the TD1000 in a closet somewhere,
> consider having it repaired. These are, to my mind, the best sounding car
> decks real people can afford!
> I believe the gear will be $30-$33 US. Send an email if you wish to
> reserve gears. Do not send money at this time.
>
> --
> Tom Brucker
> Hi Tech Service
> 2934 Nolensville Pike
> Nashville, TN USA
> 37220
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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  8 01:36:34 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:36:34 -0600
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...
In-Reply-To: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED4468A0C268@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
References: <000001cdb1b8$81b4eff0$851ecfd0$@net>
	<CAAqwSUbT8tH+JKDefhhX1qOibFJitn1o8GeNv_TwmFcYTKnjMA@mail.gmail.com>
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I'll play the devil's advocate and claim that the gauges alone do not make
a technician a master. We've been around each other long enough to know
which technicians are capable, and more importantly, what their specialties
are. Think about the incredible range of products Nakamichi made!
  I've wondered if I am the only tech with the guide alignment tool for the
250-350-500-550-600 decks.  I seem to be the expert at these not because I
have the tool, but more because the other Nak techs choose not to repair
these old, old decks.
     The other comment I'll make is controversial, and that is with the
Informations Terminals  M-300 gauge, or its clones, anyone careful and
clever enough can align a set of heads and guides. The Nakamichi gauges are
significantly easier to use, but they are not the only tools that
accomplish the job.


On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Garner, Scott H
<scott.h.garner at lmco.com>wrote:

>  Years ago I removed the transport from one of my 1000zxl’s and sent it
> to ESL after I replaced the heads to have it aligned, as I don’t own all
> the alignment gauges needed to do it myself. I made a power supply to power
> the transport packed it up in a metal box and mailed it out. I bet ESL
> still remembers that metal box. Anyhow the job they did was impeccable and
> since I removed the transport myself the cost was not that bad, not cheap
> but not that bad. Since then I have become quite intimate with the
> electrical workings of the 1000zxl, I am a EE by profession. But without
> owning all the gauges I can’t see how anyone could call themselves a
> master. Considering the cost of some of them when you could get them from
> nak I doubt there are many people that own all of them.  I would be very
> leery of any individual  claiming to be a Nak master, maybe Ozzie at Nak in
> CA when he worked there but that was a long time ago.****
>
> And Willy, I have not forgotten about posting the corrected procedure for
> the step 13 in the 1000zxl, I am off the last 3 weeks in Dec. I plan on
> digging my notes out then. ****
>
> Scott****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Tom Brucker
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:21 AM
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician
> around...****
>
> ** **
>
> This and one other ebay "Nak repair service" irritate me to no end,
> however I have an open mind. Until this Chicago "master" joins one of the
> tape forums, we'll never know. Self-proclamation is a weak reference. One
> gauge does not make a good Nak tech.  Years ago there were 2 knon Nak
> service options, ESL and Steve Sank. When I joined NakTalk, Sank had gone
> underground, and i went back into the cassette business. I knew Willy
> Herman through personal contacts, and encouraged him to work on Naks again.
> We both began without reputations, and hopefully have earned some respect
> not through our work and by being active on forums.****
>
>    I don't think you will ever catch Willy, Perry, or I, or any of our
> other repairing members, claim to be "The BEST". We've all been humbled but
> tough jobs too many times!  I think at times we give ESL good competition
> when money is factored into the equation. ESL has more resources, and
> longer continuous experience, and as far as I know, is flawless in their
> work. maybe we just hand them the BEST trophy and continue to listen to
> tapes.****
>
> ** **
>
> tom brucker****
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
> wrote:****
>
> Well, it looks like someone claims to be the best around. You need to read
> the post to find that out.****
>
> Question:****
>
> Would anyone buy this deck? For this price?****
>
> I’m simply asking because if I would own this deck in this beat-up
> condition, I would most likely avoid to have more cash put into it, however
> not anyone thinks like me, this is why I’m asking.****
>
> Link:****
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-3-Head-dual-capstan-cassette-Deck-Restored-by-master-tech-/120996688696?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1c2bf6f338
> ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> Adrian****
>
>
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>
>
>
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> -- ****
>
> Tom Brucker****
>
> Hi Tech Service****
>
> 2934 Nolensville Pike****
>
> Nashville, TN USA****
>
> 37220****
>
> hitech77 at earthlink.net****
>
> ** **
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Hi Tech Service
2934 Nolensville Pike
Nashville, TN USA
37220
hitech77 at earthlink.net
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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  8 01:42:50 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:42:50 -0600
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording
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"Tends to over commit"
Sounds familiar!


On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I concur.
>
> Years ago, Stephen went over my newly acquired CR-7. He had all the
> required gauges and tools and did an excellent job. Soon after, he fixed
> my Toshiba SV-F990 (a super advanced VCR) and managed to fix the
> transport after two Toshiba service centers tried to, but botched the job,
> big time.
>
> IIRC, Stephen charged less than the Toshiba "gurus" that screwed the
> deck up. BTW, I never bought another Toshiba product again.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
> *To:* 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2012 2:17 PM
>
> *Subject:* RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
> withrecording
>
>
>
> Reply from Stephen:
>
> "Yes, still here.  I stopped participating in the naktalk forum due to it
> causing me to get too darn inundated with work.  But I do still service Nak
> decks, all the time, and it's not as if I'm hard to find(can it get easier
> than stephensank.com?)."
>
>
> IMHO, from some of the complaints that I read on various blogs it appears
> that Stephen tends to over-commit and then can't keep up.
>
> Aloha,
> Cheryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of Cheryl Kaupp
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:06 PM
> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
> withrecording
>
>
>
> BTW, I just posted on that thread and asked if Stephen is still hanging
> around and if he still works on Naks. I'll let you know if I get a
> response.
>
> Aloha,
> Cheryl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cheryl Kaupp [mailto:kaupp240 at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:53 PM
> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
> withrecording
>
>
> Here's a thread on the DIYAUDIO blog -- he posted in May 2012 in this
> thread.
>
>
> http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/19164-please-help-fixing-pione
> er-pdr-555rw-9.html#post3195431
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of josephjean at verizon.net
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:46 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
> withrecording
>
>
> Is he still around?
>
> You don't see him on eBay either.
>
>
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Sat Dec  8 02:17:31 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 19:17:31 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Car stereo fans please take note-TD500/TD700 gear
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Does anyone know how to time gears and 5 and 7. One of them has a small hole which looks like it could be used for timing but doesn't seem to line up with anything. Took mine apart last year and eventually got it timed but I'm sure there must be a proper way to do this.

Cheers,
Rainer S.

and yes sound quality is extraordinary, still puts a smile on face every time I put a tape in !  :)
  
t----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tom Brucker 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 6:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Car stereo fans please take note-TD500/TD700 gear


  Scott,
   Gear #4.   There is quite a bit of force on these teeth at the point where the loading cassette reaches the back of its travel and is about to drop down into play position. When one tooth chips, you will not notice any problem. Two chipped teeth add a hesitation when the tape reaches the rear, but the loading will complete. 3 chipped teeth and the deck will not load.


  Use the TD 500 in your Mercedes!       I like the Nak tuners, but you are correct that the TD 1200 is much better than the 700. In my opinion the TD 1200 was the best FM ever made in a car stereo.
    Thanks for the beautiful photographs.



  On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com> wrote:

          Tom,
          What is the symptom of a deck that has a bad gear?  Also which gear is it?
          I have just pulled a loading mechanism out of the old bone pile and have taken a few pictures from different angles and numbered the gears.  I have put them on the following web page.  
          http://www.nakremotes.com/TD-500_Load.htm

          I agree they are fantastic sounding decks, but, the TD-500 does have problems over rough pavement.  I wish I had bought the TD-700 with it's dual capstans, but, the TD-500 was already a stretch at the time.  The tuner sucked though.  I later upgraded to a TD-1200II and the tape section was awesome and the tuner was pretty good too.  BTW that deck also had a problem with a bad gear.  The little white gear at the top of the drive motor had a tendency to split and cause a 2 to 3 Hz ticking sound.  A guy in France contacted me years ago to tell me that he made a mold and was selling them.  Not sure if he's still around.  

          Scott J

          --- On Wed, 11/28/12, Tom Brucker <nakdoc77 at gmail.com> wrote:


            From: Tom Brucker <nakdoc77 at gmail.com>
            Subject: [naktalk] Car stereo fans please take note-TD500/TD700 gear
            To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
            Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 8:36 AM



            My machinist has just informed me that he will machine the TD 700 loading gear in brass, with availability in 4 weeks!  I have 6 decks in my shop right now that need gears. I will be selling the gear to anyone in the Nak community, so keep your eyes open for my announcement after I test the brass gear.  If you have TD500, 700, or the TD1000 in a closet somewhere, consider having it repaired. These are, to my mind, the best sounding car decks real people can afford! 
            I believe the gear will be $30-$33 US. Send an email if you wish to reserve gears. Do not send money at this time.



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From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Sat Dec  8 13:35:30 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 12:35:30 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...
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I agree. What I was trying to say is it takes both the skills and the proper tools to be a master...at anything. Someone could be the best transmission tech out there but without owning the proper tools he wouldn't be able to fix anything.

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 7:37 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...

I'll play the devil's advocate and claim that the gauges alone do not make a technician a master. We've been around each other long enough to know which technicians are capable, and more importantly, what their specialties are. Think about the incredible range of products Nakamichi made!
  I've wondered if I am the only tech with the guide alignment tool for the 250-350-500-550-600 decks.  I seem to be the expert at these not because I have the tool, but more because the other Nak techs choose not to repair these old, old decks.
     The other comment I'll make is controversial, and that is with the Informations Terminals  M-300 gauge, or its clones, anyone careful and clever enough can align a set of heads and guides. The Nakamichi gauges are significantly easier to use, but they are not the only tools that accomplish the job.

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com<mailto:scott.h.garner at lmco.com>> wrote:
Years ago I removed the transport from one of my 1000zxl's and sent it to ESL after I replaced the heads to have it aligned, as I don't own all the alignment gauges needed to do it myself. I made a power supply to power the transport packed it up in a metal box and mailed it out. I bet ESL still remembers that metal box. Anyhow the job they did was impeccable and since I removed the transport myself the cost was not that bad, not cheap but not that bad. Since then I have become quite intimate with the electrical workings of the 1000zxl, I am a EE by profession. But without owning all the gauges I can't see how anyone could call themselves a master. Considering the cost of some of them when you could get them from nak I doubt there are many people that own all of them.  I would be very leery of any individual  claiming to be a Nak master, maybe Ozzie at Nak in CA when he worked there but that was a long time ago.
And Willy, I have not forgotten about posting the corrected procedure for the step 13 in the 1000zxl, I am off the last 3 weeks in Dec. I plan on digging my notes out then.
Scott

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com<mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com<mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com>] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:21 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...

This and one other ebay "Nak repair service" irritate me to no end, however I have an open mind. Until this Chicago "master" joins one of the tape forums, we'll never know. Self-proclamation is a weak reference. One gauge does not make a good Nak tech.  Years ago there were 2 knon Nak service options, ESL and Steve Sank. When I joined NakTalk, Sank had gone underground, and i went back into the cassette business. I knew Willy Herman through personal contacts, and encouraged him to work on Naks again. We both began without reputations, and hopefully have earned some respect not through our work and by being active on forums.
   I don't think you will ever catch Willy, Perry, or I, or any of our other repairing members, claim to be "The BEST". We've all been humbled but tough jobs too many times!  I think at times we give ESL good competition when money is factored into the equation. ESL has more resources, and longer continuous experience, and as far as I know, is flawless in their work. maybe we just hand them the BEST trophy and continue to listen to tapes.

tom brucker
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net<mailto:adrian at mechner.net>> wrote:
Well, it looks like someone claims to be the best around. You need to read the post to find that out.
Question:
Would anyone buy this deck? For this price?
I'm simply asking because if I would own this deck in this beat-up condition, I would most likely avoid to have more cash put into it, however not anyone thinks like me, this is why I'm asking.
Link:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-3-Head-dual-capstan-cassette-Deck-Restored-by-master-tech-/120996688696?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1c2bf6f338


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From jeruff at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  8 17:04:00 2012
From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 08:04:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
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So I teach at an elementary school and yesterday my student was leaving and had a pair of Nakamichi headphones on.  I said, where'd you get those?  Sears Black Friday.  Don't know if you guys noticed this:

http://www.sears.com/tvs-electronics-portable-audio-electronics-accessories-all-portable-audio-electronics-accessories/s-1231480066?sbf=Brand&sbv=Nakamichi

Did some company just buy rights to the name and logo?  I can't see anyone involved with the original brand putting out $13 headphones!

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From adrian at mechner.net  Sat Dec  8 17:47:32 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 08:47:32 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
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Nakamichi offers some of the most amazing TV sets but not in the USA :

http://jadopado.com/category/televisions/nakamichi/

 

Cheers,

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of jesse ruff
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 8:04 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on! Sadly...

 


So I teach at an elementary school and yesterday my student was leaving and
had a pair of Nakamichi headphones on.  I said, where'd you get those?
Sears Black Friday.  Don't know if you guys noticed this:

http://www.sears.com/tvs-electronics-portable-audio-electronics-accessories-
all-portable-audio-electronics-accessories/s-1231480066?sbf=Brand
<http://www.sears.com/tvs-electronics-portable-audio-electronics-accessories
-all-portable-audio-electronics-accessories/s-1231480066?sbf=Brand&sbv=Nakam
ichi> &sbv=Nakamichi

Did some company just buy rights to the name and logo?  I can't see anyone
involved with the original brand putting out $13 headphones!

Jesse

 

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From hockeyeast at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  8 20:46:08 2012
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (Rich)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 14:46:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Great news!
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Great news on the gear Tom!

Sent from my iPhone


From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Sat Dec  8 21:06:17 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 18:06:17 -0200
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
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Sorry for my prejudice here guys, but Nakamichi is no longer the Nakamichi we all came to love and the headphones offered by Sears ant 13 to 15 dollars a pop doesn't "sound"like something that REALLY sounds exceptionally good...

I did find this Arab Emirates (or more accuurately Dubai) site with more promising although not that good either headsets. Can anyome confer or deny what I say?
Regards to all.

Rodrigo Krause

http://jadopado.com/product/nakamichi-full-size-stereo-headphone-hp-40pr



-----Mensagem original-----
De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com em nome de Adrian Mechner
Enviada: sáb 08/12/2012 14:47
Para: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Assunto: RE: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
 
Nakamichi offers some of the most amazing TV sets but not in the USA :

http://jadopado.com/category/televisions/nakamichi/

 

Cheers,

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jesse ruff
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 8:04 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on! Sadly...

 

So I teach at an elementary school and yesterday my student was leaving and had a pair of Nakamichi headphones on.  I said, where'd you get those?  Sears Black Friday.  Don't know if you guys noticed this:

http://www.sears.com/tvs-electronics-portable-audio-electronics-accessories-all-portable-audio-electronics-accessories/s-1231480066?sbf=Brand&sbv=Nakamichi

Did some company just buy rights to the name and logo?  I can't see anyone involved with the original brand putting out $13 headphones!

Jesse

	

 



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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Sat Dec  8 21:17:53 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 18:17:53 -0200
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
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Hey Jesse,
If you google Nakamichi you will most likely get the Taiwan or mainladn chine corporation's site for the "new"Nakamichi, not the old one we all praise.
Bad luck for us all...

check this website:
http://www.nakamichi.com/flash.html

Rodrigo Krause


-----Mensagem original-----
De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com em nome de jesse ruff
Enviada: sáb 08/12/2012 14:04
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
 
So I teach at an elementary school and yesterday my student was leaving and had a pair of Nakamichi headphones on.  I said, where'd you get those?  Sears Black Friday.  Don't know if you guys noticed this:

http://www.sears.com/tvs-electronics-portable-audio-electronics-accessories-all-portable-audio-electronics-accessories/s-1231480066?sbf=Brand&sbv=Nakamichi

Did some company just buy rights to the name and logo?  I can't see anyone involved with the original brand putting out $13 headphones!

Jesse
	


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From adrian at mechner.net  Sat Dec  8 22:57:53 2012
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Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 13:57:53 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
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I ordered a pair online as soon as I saw the posting
 Now I got the email
from Sears to pick them up. I will get back with details. I don’t expect
them to live up to my Sennheiser HD 598, but 13 bucks are worth a test :)

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Rodrigo Krause
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 12:06 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on! Sadly...

 

Sorry for my prejudice here guys, but Nakamichi is no longer the Nakamichi
we all came to love and the headphones offered by Sears ant 13 to 15 dollars
a pop doesn't "sound"like something that REALLY sounds exceptionally good...

I did find this Arab Emirates (or more accuurately Dubai) site with more
promising although not that good either headsets. Can anyome confer or deny
what I say?
Regards to all.

Rodrigo Krause

http://jadopado.com/product/nakamichi-full-size-stereo-headphone-hp-40pr



-----Mensagem original-----
De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com>  em nome de
Adrian Mechner
Enviada: sáb 08/12/2012 14:47
Para: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Assunto: RE: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...

Nakamichi offers some of the most amazing TV sets but not in the USA :

http://jadopado.com/category/televisions/nakamichi/



Cheers,

Adrian



From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com>
[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jesse ruff
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 8:04 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on! Sadly...



So I teach at an elementary school and yesterday my student was leaving and
had a pair of Nakamichi headphones on.  I said, where'd you get those?
Sears Black Friday.  Don't know if you guys noticed this:

http://www.sears.com/tvs-electronics-portable-audio-electronics-accessories-
all-portable-audio-electronics-accessories/s-1231480066?sbf=Brand
<http://www.sears.com/tvs-electronics-portable-audio-electronics-accessories
-all-portable-audio-electronics-accessories/s-1231480066?sbf=Brand&sbv=Nakam
ichi> &sbv=Nakamichi

Did some company just buy rights to the name and logo?  I can't see anyone
involved with the original brand putting out $13 headphones!

Jesse

       






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From icmllc at gmail.com  Sun Dec  9 00:19:46 2012
From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin Srivastava)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 17:19:46 -0600
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
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This is the case with American Crown, Marantz, Quad, Studer, AKG....etc

Profitability superseded excellence. 

Hasselblad may be an exception after they became a Japanese company.

Lets see how Apple fares 10 years hence?


Ashvin

On Dec 8, 2012, at 2:17 PM, "Rodrigo Krause" <rkrause at multiplan.com.br> wrote:

> Hey Jesse,
> If you google Nakamichi you will most likely get the Taiwan or mainladn chine corporation's site for the "new"Nakamichi, not the old one we all praise.
> Bad luck for us all...
> 
> check this website:
> http://www.nakamichi.com/flash.html
> 
> Rodrigo Krause
> 
> 
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com em nome de jesse ruff
> Enviada: sáb 08/12/2012 14:04
> Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Assunto: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
> 
> So I teach at an elementary school and yesterday my student was leaving and had a pair of Nakamichi headphones on.  I said, where'd you get those?  Sears Black Friday.  Don't know if you guys noticed this:
> 
> http://www.sears.com/tvs-electronics-portable-audio-electronics-accessories-all-portable-audio-electronics-accessories/s-1231480066?sbf=Brand&sbv=Nakamichi
> 
> Did some company just buy rights to the name and logo?  I can't see anyone involved with the original brand putting out $13 headphones!
> 
> Jesse
>        
> 
> 
> Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou
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> 
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> respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a.
> 
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> informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios.
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From adrian at mechner.net  Sun Dec  9 00:33:01 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 15:33:01 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Adrian Mechner
I got the headphones. They are terrible!!!

Good wire thou and it's detachable; it fits my Sennheisers HD598 and I will
keep the wire. I intend to let them break in for a few days, who knows if
they will get any better (I honestly don't think so).

Plus, very tight on the ears, meaning sooo uncomfortable!

 

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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  9 03:21:16 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 12:21:16 +1000
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC4037EE79B@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
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Nakamichi was bought over by a Singapore based conglomerate in about 2000. They also own the Akai and Sansui brands which they license out. This is similar to those badge owner companies that also bought up the names of Dual and Garrard. 

The Nakamichi owner company tried to revive the cassette deck operation by making the DR10 as well as dabbling into parts of other Nakamichi's. but this didn't go so well and they took the business for a while into the lifestyle electronics business like B&O and Bose. But apparently this didn't work too well either. They had a nice office in the Singapore business district but that closed down a while ago and I would think they have shifted much to mainland China. 

Of course the direction they take is very subjective. What I would strike out to say is that the company embodied the spirit of Mr Niro Nakamichi and his research orientated approach. With his passing and time, Nakamichi is nothing more than a grand old dame still looking at the mirror, sparkling in the shine of her old jewels.  

Most audio companies today are definitely profit driven. In fact they are all businesses just like any other, exist to make money. We can never again compare the companies of today with their form even 30 years ago because their principles, motives and aim are all different. Every company in the audio field was started by an engineer and led to great success. When the company is handed over or sold to businesses people, everything changes. It's inevitable and a fact of life. 

This is why while in prime years, I break away from my peers and work with equipment far beyond my years. Because never again in consumer electronics will we see the ki dmof engineering and quality that went into making these equipment. 

The one word of advice I was ever given was this:" the original equipment were made with great attention to detail and craftsmanship. Make sure you do the right thing and give it that same love and attention. Otherwise, don't do it." 

Cheers! 

Sent from my iPad

On 9 Dec, 2012, at 6:17 AM, "Rodrigo Krause" <rkrause at multiplan.com.br> wrote:

> Hey Jesse,
> If you google Nakamichi you will most likely get the Taiwan or mainladn chine corporation's site for the "new"Nakamichi, not the old one we all praise.
> Bad luck for us all...
> 
> check this website:
> http://www.nakamichi.com/flash.html
> 
> Rodrigo Krause
> 
> 
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com em nome de jesse ruff
> Enviada: sáb 08/12/2012 14:04
> Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Assunto: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
> 
> So I teach at an elementary school and yesterday my student was leaving and had a pair of Nakamichi headphones on.  I said, where'd you get those?  Sears Black Friday.  Don't know if you guys noticed this:
> 
> http://www.sears.com/tvs-electronics-portable-audio-electronics-accessories-all-portable-audio-electronics-accessories/s-1231480066?sbf=Brand&sbv=Nakamichi
> 
> Did some company just buy rights to the name and logo?  I can't see anyone involved with the original brand putting out $13 headphones!
> 
> Jesse
>        
> 
> 
> Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou
> de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do
> remetente.
> 
> Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por  engano, por favor, nos informe
> respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a.
> 
> A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras
> informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios.
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  9 07:21:09 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:21:09 +1000
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
In-Reply-To: <A57523A2-757E-4209-93B7-4F51D6F02249@yahoo.com>
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Gents and Ladies, 

I had stated in my precious post about Niro having passed on in 1982. My apologies but it was his Dad Mr Etsuro Nakamichi who had passed on. 

Sincerely, 
Bala 

Sent from my iPhone

On 09/12/2012, at 12:21 PM, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Nakamichi was bought over by a Singapore based conglomerate in about 2000. They also own the Akai and Sansui brands which they license out. This is similar to those badge owner companies that also bought up the names of Dual and Garrard. 
> 
> The Nakamichi owner company tried to revive the cassette deck operation by making the DR10 as well as dabbling into parts of other Nakamichi's. but this didn't go so well and they took the business for a while into the lifestyle electronics business like B&O and Bose. But apparently this didn't work too well either. They had a nice office in the Singapore business district but that closed down a while ago and I would think they have shifted much to mainland China. 
> 
> Of course the direction they take is very subjective. What I would strike out to say is that the company embodied the spirit of Mr Niro Nakamichi and his research orientated approach. With his passing and time, Nakamichi is nothing more than a grand old dame still looking at the mirror, sparkling in the shine of her old jewels.  
> 
> Most audio companies today are definitely profit driven. In fact they are all businesses just like any other, exist to make money. We can never again compare the companies of today with their form even 30 years ago because their principles, motives and aim are all different. Every company in the audio field was started by an engineer and led to great success. When the company is handed over or sold to businesses people, everything changes. It's inevitable and a fact of life. 
> 
> This is why while in prime years, I break away from my peers and work with equipment far beyond my years. Because never again in consumer electronics will we see the ki dmof engineering and quality that went into making these equipment. 
> 
> The one word of advice I was ever given was this:" the original equipment were made with great attention to detail and craftsmanship. Make sure you do the right thing and give it that same love and attention. Otherwise, don't do it." 
> 
> Cheers! 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 9 Dec, 2012, at 6:17 AM, "Rodrigo Krause" <rkrause at multiplan.com.br> wrote:
> 
>> Hey Jesse,
>> If you google Nakamichi you will most likely get the Taiwan or mainladn chine corporation's site for the "new"Nakamichi, not the old one we all praise.
>> Bad luck for us all...
>> 
>> check this website:
>> http://www.nakamichi.com/flash.html
>> 
>> Rodrigo Krause
>> 
>> 
>> -----Mensagem original-----
>> De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com em nome de jesse ruff
>> Enviada: sáb 08/12/2012 14:04
>> Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Assunto: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
>> 
>> So I teach at an elementary school and yesterday my student was leaving and had a pair of Nakamichi headphones on.  I said, where'd you get those?  Sears Black Friday.  Don't know if you guys noticed this:
>> 
>> http://www.sears.com/tvs-electronics-portable-audio-electronics-accessories-all-portable-audio-electronics-accessories/s-1231480066?sbf=Brand&sbv=Nakamichi
>> 
>> Did some company just buy rights to the name and logo?  I can't see anyone involved with the original brand putting out $13 headphones!
>> 
>> Jesse
>>        
>> 
>> 
>> Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou
>> de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do
>> remetente.
>> 
>> Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por  engano, por favor, nos informe
>> respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a.
>> 
>> A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras
>> informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios.
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Sun Dec  9 01:35:57 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 22:35:57 -0200
Subject: Res: RE: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
In-Reply-To: <000901cdd58f$131e60d0$395b2270$@mechner.net>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B305@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Sorry: I'm missing something here. You bought the Nak headset and you say they are really bad. What did you buy from Sears: is it the new CD player? I'm a bit confused...
RK

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De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Sat Dec 08 19:57:53 2012
Assunto: RE: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on! Sadly... 



I ordered a pair online as soon as I saw the posting… Now I got the email from Sears to pick them up. I will get back with details. I don’t expect them to live up to my Sennheiser HD 598, but 13 bucks are worth a test J

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Krause
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 12:06 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on! Sadly...

 

Sorry for my prejudice here guys, but Nakamichi is no longer the Nakamichi we all came to love and the headphones offered by Sears ant 13 to 15 dollars a pop doesn't "sound"like something that REALLY sounds exceptionally good...

I did find this Arab Emirates (or more accuurately Dubai) site with more promising although not that good either headsets. Can anyome confer or deny what I say?
Regards to all.

Rodrigo Krause

http://jadopado.com/product/nakamichi-full-size-stereo-headphone-hp-40pr



-----Mensagem original-----
De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com em nome de Adrian Mechner
Enviada: sáb 08/12/2012 14:47
Para: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Assunto: RE: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...

Nakamichi offers some of the most amazing TV sets but not in the USA :

http://jadopado.com/category/televisions/nakamichi/



Cheers,

Adrian



From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jesse ruff
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 8:04 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on! Sadly...



So I teach at an elementary school and yesterday my student was leaving and had a pair of Nakamichi headphones on.  I said, where'd you get those?  Sears Black Friday.  Don't know if you guys noticed this:

http://www.sears.com/tvs-electronics-portable-audio-electronics-accessories-all-portable-audio-electronics-accessories/s-1231480066?sbf=Brand&sbv=Nakamichi

Did some company just buy rights to the name and logo?  I can't see anyone involved with the original brand putting out $13 headphones!

Jesse

       





Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou
de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do
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respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a.
 
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From adrian at mechner.net  Sun Dec  9 05:07:32 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 20:07:32 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
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Actually the wire does NOT fit the Sennheisers because the plug is a 3,5 mm while the Sennheisers require a 2,5mm one.
I just now tried to do the switch, sorry ... 

Sent from my iPhone 5

On Dec 8, 2012, at 3:33 PM, "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

>  
>  
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner
> I got the headphones… They are terrible!!!
> Good wire thou and it’s detachable; it fits my Sennheisers HD598 and I will keep the wire. I intend to let them break in for a few days, who knows if they will get any better (I honestly don’t think so).
> Plus, very tight on the ears, meaning sooo uncomfortable!
>  
> Adrian
>  
>  
>  
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From adrian at mechner.net  Sun Dec  9 16:28:11 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 07:28:11 -0800
Subject: Res: RE: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B305@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
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Message-ID: <CA48DDA2-33D4-40E7-A327-6333EDA419B2@mechner.net>

I got the headphones from Sears online with in store pick up. Sears does not carry Arcam... I did not buy the new Arcam yet. I will sell the existing one first

Sent from my iPhone 5

On Dec 8, 2012, at 4:35 PM, "Rodrigo Krause" <rkrause at multiplan.com.br> wrote:

> Sorry: I'm missing something here. You bought the Nak headset and you say they are really bad. What did you buy from Sears: is it the new CD player? I'm a bit confused...
> RK
> 
> De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
> Para: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Enviada em: Sat Dec 08 19:57:53 2012
> Assunto: RE: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on! Sadly... 
> 
> I ordered a pair online as soon as I saw the posting… Now I got the email from Sears to pick them up. I will get back with details. I don’t expect them to live up to my Sennheiser HD 598, but 13 bucks are worth a test J
> Adrian
>  
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Krause
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 12:06 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RES: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on! Sadly...
>  
> Sorry for my prejudice here guys, but Nakamichi is no longer the Nakamichi we all came to love and the headphones offered by Sears ant 13 to 15 dollars a pop doesn't "sound"like something that REALLY sounds exceptionally good...
> 
> I did find this Arab Emirates (or more accuurately Dubai) site with more promising although not that good either headsets. Can anyome confer or deny what I say?
> Regards to all.
> 
> Rodrigo Krause
> 
> http://jadopado.com/product/nakamichi-full-size-stereo-headphone-hp-40pr
> 
> 
> 
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com em nome de Adrian Mechner
> Enviada: sáb 08/12/2012 14:47
> Para: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Assunto: RE: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on!  Sadly...
> 
> Nakamichi offers some of the most amazing TV sets but not in the USA :
> 
> http://jadopado.com/category/televisions/nakamichi/
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Adrian
> 
> 
> 
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jesse ruff
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 8:04 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] Namamichi lives on! Sadly...
> 
> 
> 
> So I teach at an elementary school and yesterday my student was leaving and had a pair of Nakamichi headphones on.  I said, where'd you get those?  Sears Black Friday.  Don't know if you guys noticed this:
> 
> http://www.sears.com/tvs-electronics-portable-audio-electronics-accessories-all-portable-audio-electronics-accessories/s-1231480066?sbf=Brand&sbv=Nakamichi
> 
> Did some company just buy rights to the name and logo?  I can't see anyone involved with the original brand putting out $13 headphones!
> 
> Jesse
> 
>        
> 
> 
> 
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 10 16:40:14 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 07:40:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...
In-Reply-To: <CAAqwSUbwLvZURm3OYawzAswVCKZhZ9XrU+88k-uWs0NMgMEztg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001cdb1b8$81b4eff0$851ecfd0$@net>
	<CAAqwSUbT8tH+JKDefhhX1qOibFJitn1o8GeNv_TwmFcYTKnjMA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED4468A0C268@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
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Tom,

Obviously, owning a tool doesn't make one an 'expert'. OTOH, some tools are essential 

to successful results. A top notch job requires both expertise and correct tools. All I was 

saying was that Stephen had both. 


-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Tom Brucker <nakdoc77 at gmail.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 7:36 PM
>Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...
> 
>
>I'll play the devil's advocate and claim that the gauges alone do not make a technician a master. We've been around each other long enough to know which technicians are capable, and more importantly, what their specialties are. Think about the incredible range of products Nakamichi made!  
>  I've wondered if I am the only tech with the guide alignment tool for the 250-350-500-550-600 decks.  I seem to be the expert at these not because I have the tool, but more because the other Nak techs choose not to repair these old, old decks.
>     The other comment I'll make is controversial, and that is with the Informations Terminals  M-300 gauge, or its clones, anyone careful and clever enough can align a set of heads and guides. The Nakamichi gauges are significantly easier to use, but they are not the only tools that accomplish the job.
>
>
>
>On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
>
>Years ago I removed the transport from one of my 1000zxl’s and sent it to ESL after I replaced the heads to have it aligned, as I don’t own all the alignment gauges needed to do it myself. I made a power supply to power the transport packed it up in a metal box and mailed it out. I bet ESL still remembers that metal box. Anyhow the job they did was impeccable and since I removed the transport myself the cost was not that bad, not cheap but not that bad. Since then I have become quite intimate with the electrical workings of the 1000zxl, I am a EE by profession. But without owning all the gauges I can’t see how anyone could call themselves a master. Considering the cost of some of them when you could get them from nak I doubt there are many people that own all of them.  I would be very leery of any individual  claiming to be a Nak master, maybe Ozzie at Nak in CA when he worked there but that was a long time ago.
>>And Willy, I have not forgotten about posting the corrected procedure for the step 13 in the 1000zxl, I am off the last 3 weeks in Dec. I plan on digging my notes out then. 
>>Scott
>> 
>>From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:21 AM
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...
>> 
>>This and one other ebay "Nak repair service" irritate me to no end, however I have an open mind. Until this Chicago "master" joins one of the tape forums, we'll never know. Self-proclamation is a weak reference. One gauge does not make a good Nak tech.  Years ago there were 2 knon Nak service options, ESL and Steve Sank. When I joined NakTalk, Sank had gone underground, and i went back into the cassette business. I knew Willy Herman through personal contacts, and encouraged him to work on Naks again. We both began without reputations, and hopefully have earned some respect not through our work and by being active on forums.
>>   I don't think you will ever catch Willy, Perry, or I, or any of our other repairing members, claim to be "The BEST". We've all been humbled but tough jobs too many times!  I think at times we give ESL good competition when money is factored into the equation. ESL has more resources, and longer continuous experience, and as far as I know, is flawless in their work. maybe we just hand them the BEST trophy and continue to listen to tapes.
>> 
>>tom brucker
>>On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:
>>Well, it looks like someone claims to be the best around. You need to read the post to find that out.
>>Question:
>>Would anyone buy this deck? For this price?
>>I’m simply asking because if I would own this deck in this beat-up condition, I would most likely avoid to have more cash put into it, however not anyone thinks like me, this is why I’m asking.
>>Link:
>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-3-Head-dual-capstan-cassette-Deck-Restored-by-master-tech-/120996688696?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1c2bf6f338
>> 
>> 
>>Adrian
>>
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>> 
>>-- 
>>Tom Brucker
>>Hi Tech Service
>>2934 Nolensville Pike
>>Nashville, TN USA
>>37220
>>hitech77 at earthlink.net
>> 
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>-- 
>
>Tom Brucker
>Hi Tech Service
>2934 Nolensville Pike
>Nashville, TN USA
>37220
>hitech77 at earthlink.net
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 10 17:11:58 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 08:11:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions
In-Reply-To: <CAB50Kq7nOEafGdG_o-m8g6RREvZcCfpat2sBemNT+9hRfc30_w@mail.gmail.com>
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The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take up capstan is direct 
driven, the supply capstan is belt  driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is driven through an idler. 
Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear idler.

I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. What you describe sounds 
like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could be mechanical (a bad or
glazed idler) It could also be electrical  (a bad reel motor, fault in the the drive electronics or simply 
incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's unlikely the problem is mechanical, 
as these idlers tend to live forever.

So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate (two tiny screws on top of 
the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the deck to PLAY mode (no 
cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a finger. If you observe 
slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating surfaces very thoroughly. If 
that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. 

Let us know hoe you're doing,

-- Ron






>________________________________
> From: drucyphr <drucyphr at gmail.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions
> 
>
>Hello Naks, new member here.
>
>
>A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi.
>
>
>The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled.
>
>
>I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.
>
>
>Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open?
>
>
>Thanks for the help.
>-Andrew
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From tpfinn at btinternet.com  Mon Dec 10 20:54:16 2012
From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:54:16 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines,
	mechs and jigs for sale...!
Message-ID: <02e101cdd710$22cb9bb0$6862d310$@com>

Just to let you all know I am just testing the water for my  large library
of service information, parts, machines and jigs, Mechs etc etc

 

Here's three basic items to start, any particular requests let me know
there's a good chance I'll have it ..... .  

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Nakamichi-530-Service-Manual-With-Service
-Information-Updates-/110987552027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3
<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Nakamichi-530-Service-Manual-With-Servic
e-Information-Updates-/110987552027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fa51
b> &hash=item19d75fa51b

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakmichi-730-Receiver-Service-Manual-With-Service-
Information-Updates-/110987563621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3
<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakmichi-730-Receiver-Service-Manual-With-Service
-Information-Updates-/110987563621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fd265
> &hash=item19d75fd265

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-TD-1200-PA-300-And-SP-400-Service-Manual
-/110987585347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3
<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-TD-1200-PA-300-And-SP-400-Service-Manua
l-/110987585347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d7602743>
&hash=item19d7602743

 

My apologises to anyone who thinks I should not be posting this sort of
thing, but I have been lurking and  involved with Naks a lot longer than
most

And it's now time to let go!! :=)

 

Regards

 

Terry

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From drucyphr at gmail.com  Mon Dec 10 21:16:01 2012
From: drucyphr at gmail.com (drucyphr)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:16:01 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions
In-Reply-To: <1355155918.89339.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I
went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I
will have the part handy to make the repair.

Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or
gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am
kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured.

I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help.

-Andrew

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take
> up capstan is direct
> driven, the supply capstan is belt  driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is
> driven through an idler.
> Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear
> idler.
>
> I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt.
> What you describe sounds
> like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could
> be mechanical (a bad or
> glazed idler) It could also be electrical  (a bad reel motor, fault in the
> the drive electronics or simply
> incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's
> unlikely the problem is mechanical,
> as these idlers tend to live forever.
>
> So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate
> (two tiny screws on top of
> the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the
> deck to PLAY mode (no
> cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a
> finger. If you observe
> slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating
> surfaces very thoroughly. If
> that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire.
>
> Let us know hoe you're doing,
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* drucyphr <drucyphr at gmail.com>
> *To:* naktalk at naks.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM
> *Subject:* [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions
>
> Hello Naks, new member here.
>
> A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing
> a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used
> one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he
> listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I
> talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent
> price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi.
>
> The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the
> lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel
> spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the
> motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled.
>
> I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.
>
> Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight
> forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there
> any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open?
>
> Thanks for the help.
> -Andrew
>
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From jfj_taylor at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 11 04:39:30 2012
From: jfj_taylor at hotmail.com (john taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 03:39:30 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines,
	mechs and jigs for sale...!
In-Reply-To: <02e101cdd710$22cb9bb0$6862d310$@com>
References: <02e101cdd710$22cb9bb0$6862d310$@com>
Message-ID: <BLU157-W4514C35EFD4FE57EA1D756EB480@phx.gbl>


Hi Terry,             I would like to buy the following gauges from you if possible, Stroke check gauge M-9047, Tape guide height check gauge S (DA09091A) and Torque Gauge FWD (DA09082a) Best regards, John.
 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:54:16 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines,	mechs and jigs for sale...!

Just to let you all know I am just testing the water for my  large library of service information, parts, machines and jigs, Mechs etc etc Here’s three basic items to start, any particular requests let me know there’s a good chance I’ll have it ..... .   http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Nakamichi-530-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987552027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fa51b http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakmichi-730-Receiver-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987563621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fd265 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-TD-1200-PA-300-And-SP-400-Service-Manual-/110987585347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d7602743 My apologises to anyone who thinks I should not be posting this sort of thing, but I have been lurking and  involved with Naks a lot longer than mostAnd it’s now time to let go!! :=) Regards Terry
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From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl  Tue Dec 11 10:16:22 2012
From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:16:22 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines,
	mechs and jigs for sale...!
In-Reply-To: <BLU157-W4514C35EFD4FE57EA1D756EB480@phx.gbl>
References: <02e101cdd710$22cb9bb0$6862d310$@com>
	<BLU157-W4514C35EFD4FE57EA1D756EB480@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <FADD4F4B-1942-4865-9BAF-A0ED32A06C2F@ziggo.nl>

Hi Terry,

And for me a m9051 if possible

Regards Norman

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

Op 11 dec. 2012 om 04:39 heeft john taylor <jfj_taylor at hotmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

> Hi Terry,
>              I would like to buy the following gauges from you if possible, Stroke check gauge M-9047, Tape guide height check gauge S (DA09091A) and Torque Gauge FWD (DA09082a)
>  
> Best regards, John.
>  
> From: tpfinn at btinternet.com
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:54:16 +0000
> Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines,	mechs and jigs for sale...!
> 
> Just to let you all know I am just testing the water for my  large library of service information, parts, machines and jigs, Mechs etc etc
> 
>  
> 
> Here’s three basic items to start, any particular requests let me know there’s a good chance I’ll have it ..... .  
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Nakamichi-530-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987552027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fa51b
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakmichi-730-Receiver-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987563621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fd265
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-TD-1200-PA-300-And-SP-400-Service-Manual-/110987585347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d7602743
> 
>  
> 
> My apologises to anyone who thinks I should not be posting this sort of thing, but I have been lurking and  involved with Naks a lot longer than most
> 
> And it’s now time to let go!! :=)
> 
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
>  
> 
> Terry
> 
> 
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From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Tue Dec 11 13:48:26 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:48:26 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals,
	parts machines, 	mechs and jigs for sale...!
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Hi terry,
I would like to buy your Nakamichi DA09007A alignment tape if you have one for sale.

Thanks,
Scott

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of john taylor
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:40 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!

Hi Terry,
             I would like to buy the following gauges from you if possible, Stroke check gauge M-9047, Tape guide height check gauge S (DA09091A) and Torque Gauge FWD (DA09082a)

Best regards, John.

________________________________
From: tpfinn at btinternet.com<mailto:tpfinn at btinternet.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:54:16 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!
Just to let you all know I am just testing the water for my  large library of service information, parts, machines and jigs, Mechs etc etc

Here's three basic items to start, any particular requests let me know there's a good chance I'll have it ..... .

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Nakamichi-530-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987552027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fa51b

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakmichi-730-Receiver-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987563621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fd265

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-TD-1200-PA-300-And-SP-400-Service-Manual-/110987585347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d7602743

My apologises to anyone who thinks I should not be posting this sort of thing, but I have been lurking and  involved with Naks a lot longer than most
And it's now time to let go!! :=)

Regards

Terry

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 12 16:22:43 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 07:22:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions
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> Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number?

Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks
that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether your 

deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor 

(you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every 

couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem. 


-- Ron






>________________________________
> From: drucyphr <drucyphr at gmail.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions
> 
>
>Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I will have the part handy to make the repair.
>
>Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured.
>
>
>I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help.
>
>-Andrew
>
>
>On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take up capstan is direct 
>>driven, the supply capstan is belt  driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is driven through an idler. 
>>Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear idler.
>>
>>I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt. What you describe sounds 
>>like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could be mechanical (a bad or
>>glazed idler) It could also be electrical  (a bad reel motor, fault in the the drive electronics or simply 
>>incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's unlikely the problem is mechanical, 
>>as these idlers tend to live forever.
>>
>>So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate (two tiny
 screws on top of 
>>the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the deck to PLAY mode (no 
>>cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a finger. If you observe 
>>slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating surfaces very thoroughly. If 
>>that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire. 
>>
>>Let us know hoe you're doing,
>>
>>-- Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: drucyphr <drucyphr at gmail.com>
>>>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM
>>>Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello Naks, new member here.
>>>
>>>
>>>A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi.
>>>
>>>
>>>The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled.
>>>
>>>
>>>I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.
>>>
>>>
>>>Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open?
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks for the help.
>>>-Andrew
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From tpfinn at btinternet.com  Thu Dec 13 16:18:45 2012
From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:18:45 -0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals,
	parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!
In-Reply-To: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED4468A176F9@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
References: <02e101cdd710$22cb9bb0$6862d310$@com>	<BLU157-W4514C35EFD4FE57EA1D756EB480@phx.gbl>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED4468A176F9@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <007001cdd945$25166d50$6f4347f0$@com>

Hi John

 

I do Have the gauges but as you can appreciate those ( and possibly the T100
etc) will be the last to go

But I will let you know when...

 

T.

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Garner, Scott H
Sent: 11 December 2012 12:48
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals,
parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!

 

Hi terry,

I would like to buy your Nakamichi DA09007A alignment tape if you have one
for sale.

 

Thanks,

Scott

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of john taylor
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:40 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts
machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!

 

Hi Terry,
             I would like to buy the following gauges from you if possible,
Stroke check gauge M-9047, Tape guide height check gauge S (DA09091A) and
Torque Gauge FWD (DA09082a)
 
Best regards, John.
 

  _____  

From: tpfinn at btinternet.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:54:16 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs
and jigs for sale...!

Just to let you all know I am just testing the water for my  large library
of service information, parts, machines and jigs, Mechs etc etc

 

Here's three basic items to start, any particular requests let me know
there's a good chance I'll have it ..... .  

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Nakamichi-530-Service-Manual-With-Service
-Information-Updates-/110987552027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3
<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Nakamichi-530-Service-Manual-With-Servic
e-Information-Updates-/110987552027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fa51
b> &hash=item19d75fa51b

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakmichi-730-Receiver-Service-Manual-With-Service-
Information-Updates-/110987563621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3
<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakmichi-730-Receiver-Service-Manual-With-Service
-Information-Updates-/110987563621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fd265
> &hash=item19d75fd265

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-TD-1200-PA-300-And-SP-400-Service-Manual
-/110987585347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3
<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-TD-1200-PA-300-And-SP-400-Service-Manua
l-/110987585347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d7602743>
&hash=item19d7602743

 

My apologises to anyone who thinks I should not be posting this sort of
thing, but I have been lurking and  involved with Naks a lot longer than
most

And it's now time to let go!! :=)

 

Regards

 

Terry


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From tpfinn at btinternet.com  Thu Dec 13 16:21:10 2012
From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:21:10 -0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals,
	parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!
In-Reply-To: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED4468A176F9@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
References: <02e101cdd710$22cb9bb0$6862d310$@com>	<BLU157-W4514C35EFD4FE57EA1D756EB480@phx.gbl>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED4468A176F9@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <007501cdd945$7b1c5e80$71551b80$@com>

Hi Scott

 

Gauges and Tapes will be the last items to go so keep in touch.

 

T 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Garner, Scott H
Sent: 11 December 2012 12:48
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals,
parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!

 

Hi terry,

I would like to buy your Nakamichi DA09007A alignment tape if you have one
for sale.

 

Thanks,

Scott

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of john taylor
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:40 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts
machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!

 

Hi Terry,
             I would like to buy the following gauges from you if possible,
Stroke check gauge M-9047, Tape guide height check gauge S (DA09091A) and
Torque Gauge FWD (DA09082a)
 
Best regards, John.
 

  _____  

From: tpfinn at btinternet.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:54:16 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs
and jigs for sale...!

Just to let you all know I am just testing the water for my  large library
of service information, parts, machines and jigs, Mechs etc etc

 

Here's three basic items to start, any particular requests let me know
there's a good chance I'll have it ..... .  

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Nakamichi-530-Service-Manual-With-Service
-Information-Updates-/110987552027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3
<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Nakamichi-530-Service-Manual-With-Servic
e-Information-Updates-/110987552027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fa51
b> &hash=item19d75fa51b

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakmichi-730-Receiver-Service-Manual-With-Service-
Information-Updates-/110987563621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3
<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakmichi-730-Receiver-Service-Manual-With-Service
-Information-Updates-/110987563621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fd265
> &hash=item19d75fd265

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-TD-1200-PA-300-And-SP-400-Service-Manual
-/110987585347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3
<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-TD-1200-PA-300-And-SP-400-Service-Manua
l-/110987585347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d7602743>
&hash=item19d7602743

 

My apologises to anyone who thinks I should not be posting this sort of
thing, but I have been lurking and  involved with Naks a lot longer than
most

And it's now time to let go!! :=)

 

Regards

 

Terry


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From tpfinn at btinternet.com  Thu Dec 13 16:31:56 2012
From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:31:56 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines,
	mechs and jigs for sale...!
In-Reply-To: <FADD4F4B-1942-4865-9BAF-A0ED32A06C2F@ziggo.nl>
References: <02e101cdd710$22cb9bb0$6862d310$@com>	<BLU157-W4514C35EFD4FE57EA1D756EB480@phx.gbl>
	<FADD4F4B-1942-4865-9BAF-A0ED32A06C2F@ziggo.nl>
Message-ID: <007a01cdd946$fc87d1b0$f5977510$@com>

Hi All

 

I seem to have opened a Pandora’s box here J

 

At  the risk of having to repeat myself re Gauges and tapes etc here’s the reply on them:

 

Yes I do Have the gauges and test tapes (and the trusty  T100 etc) but as you can appreciate, they will be the last to go

But I will let you know when...

 

Obviously Manuals,. NOS parts, chassis and complete units will be first up once I’ve sorted through them.

 

I’ll get back to a few of you individually but in the meantime

 

Keep your eyes on my eBay page 

 

Best

 

T.

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ziggo
Sent: 11 December 2012 09:16
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!

 

Hi Terry,

 

And for me a m9051 if possible

 

Regards Norman

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad


Op 11 dec. 2012 om 04:39 heeft john taylor <jfj_taylor at hotmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

Hi Terry,
             I would like to buy the following gauges from you if possible, Stroke check gauge M-9047, Tape guide height check gauge S (DA09091A) and Torque Gauge FWD (DA09082a)
 
Best regards, John.
 

  _____  

From: tpfinn at btinternet.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:54:16 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!

Just to let you all know I am just testing the water for my  large library of service information, parts, machines and jigs, Mechs etc etc

 

Here’s three basic items to start, any particular requests let me know there’s a good chance I’ll have it ..... .  

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Nakamichi-530-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987552027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3 <http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Nakamichi-530-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987552027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fa51b> &hash=item19d75fa51b

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakmichi-730-Receiver-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987563621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3 <http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakmichi-730-Receiver-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987563621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fd265> &hash=item19d75fd265

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-TD-1200-PA-300-And-SP-400-Service-Manual-/110987585347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3 <http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-TD-1200-PA-300-And-SP-400-Service-Manual-/110987585347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d7602743> &hash=item19d7602743

 

My apologises to anyone who thinks I should not be posting this sort of thing, but I have been lurking and  involved with Naks a lot longer than most

And it’s now time to let go!! :=)

 

Regards

 

Terry


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From jfj_taylor at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 13 17:46:26 2012
From: jfj_taylor at hotmail.com (john taylor)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:46:26 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals,
	parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!
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	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED4468A176F9@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>,
	<007001cdd945$25166d50$6f4347f0$@com>
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Hi Terry,            thanks Ive been looking quite sometime for these gauges so glad to hear you have them. Best regards, John.
 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals,	parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:18:45 +0000

Hi John I do Have the gauges but as you can appreciate those ( and possibly the T100 etc) will be the last to goBut I will let you know when... T. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Garner, Scott H
Sent: 11 December 2012 12:48
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...! Hi terry,I would like to buy your Nakamichi DA09007A alignment tape if you have one for sale. Thanks,Scott From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of john taylor
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:40 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...! Hi Terry,
             I would like to buy the following gauges from you if possible, Stroke check gauge M-9047, Tape guide height check gauge S (DA09091A) and Torque Gauge FWD (DA09082a)
 
Best regards, John.
 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:54:16 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!Just to let you all know I am just testing the water for my  large library of service information, parts, machines and jigs, Mechs etc etc Here’s three basic items to start, any particular requests let me know there’s a good chance I’ll have it ..... .   http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Nakamichi-530-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987552027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fa51b http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakmichi-730-Receiver-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987563621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fd265 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-TD-1200-PA-300-And-SP-400-Service-Manual-/110987585347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d7602743 My apologises to anyone who thinks I should not be posting this sort of thing, but I have been lurking and  involved with Naks a lot longer than mostAnd it’s now time to let go!! :=) Regards Terry
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From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Thu Dec 13 18:33:37 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:33:37 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals,
	parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!
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	<BLU157-W4514C35EFD4FE57EA1D756EB480@phx.gbl>
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OK, keep me posted please.
Scott

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Terry Finn
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:21 AM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!

Hi Scott

Gauges and Tapes will be the last items to go so keep in touch.

T

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com<mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Garner, Scott H
Sent: 11 December 2012 12:48
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!

Hi terry,
I would like to buy your Nakamichi DA09007A alignment tape if you have one for sale.

Thanks,
Scott

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com<mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of john taylor
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:40 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!

Hi Terry,
             I would like to buy the following gauges from you if possible, Stroke check gauge M-9047, Tape guide height check gauge S (DA09091A) and Torque Gauge FWD (DA09082a)

Best regards, John.

________________________________
From: tpfinn at btinternet.com<mailto:tpfinn at btinternet.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:54:16 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!
Just to let you all know I am just testing the water for my  large library of service information, parts, machines and jigs, Mechs etc etc

Here's three basic items to start, any particular requests let me know there's a good chance I'll have it ..... .

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Nakamichi-530-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987552027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fa51b

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakmichi-730-Receiver-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987563621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fd265

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-TD-1200-PA-300-And-SP-400-Service-Manual-/110987585347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d7602743

My apologises to anyone who thinks I should not be posting this sort of thing, but I have been lurking and  involved with Naks a lot longer than most
And it's now time to let go!! :=)

Regards

Terry

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From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl  Thu Dec 13 20:51:06 2012
From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:51:06 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines,
	mechs and jigs for sale...!
In-Reply-To: <007a01cdd946$fc87d1b0$f5977510$@com>
References: <02e101cdd710$22cb9bb0$6862d310$@com>
	<BLU157-W4514C35EFD4FE57EA1D756EB480@phx.gbl>
	<FADD4F4B-1942-4865-9BAF-A0ED32A06C2F@ziggo.nl>
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Message-ID: <932221B1-3EB4-4CAE-A6CE-243075971146@ziggo.nl>

Hi Terry,

Thanks, like to hear from you

Norman

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

Op 13 dec. 2012 om 16:31 heeft Terry Finn <tpfinn at btinternet.com> het volgende geschreven:

> Hi All
>  
> I seem to have opened a Pandora’s box here J
>  
> At  the risk of having to repeat myself re Gauges and tapes etc here’s the reply on them:
>  
> Yes I do Have the gauges and test tapes (and the trusty  T100 etc) but as you can appreciate, they will be the last to go
> But I will let you know when...
>  
> Obviously Manuals,. NOS parts, chassis and complete units will be first up once I’ve sorted through them.
>  
> I’ll get back to a few of you individually but in the meantime
>  
> Keep your eyes on my eBay page
>  
> Best
>  
> T.
>  
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ziggo
> Sent: 11 December 2012 09:16
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!
>  
> Hi Terry,
>  
> And for me a m9051 if possible
>  
> Regards Norman
> 
> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
> 
> Op 11 dec. 2012 om 04:39 heeft john taylor <jfj_taylor at hotmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hi Terry,
>              I would like to buy the following gauges from you if possible, Stroke check gauge M-9047, Tape guide height check gauge S (DA09091A) and Torque Gauge FWD (DA09082a)
>  
> Best regards, John.
>  
> From: tpfinn at btinternet.com
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:54:16 +0000
> Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!
> 
> Just to let you all know I am just testing the water for my  large library of service information, parts, machines and jigs, Mechs etc etc
> 
>  
> 
> Here’s three basic items to start, any particular requests let me know there’s a good chance I’ll have it ..... .  
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Nakamichi-530-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987552027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fa51b
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakmichi-730-Receiver-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987563621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fd265
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-TD-1200-PA-300-And-SP-400-Service-Manual-/110987585347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d7602743
> 
>  
> 
> My apologises to anyone who thinks I should not be posting this sort of thing, but I have been lurking and  involved with Naks a lot longer than most
> 
> And it’s now time to let go!! :=)
> 
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
>  
> 
> Terry
> 
> 
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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 13 21:26:18 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:26:18 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines,
	mechs and jigs for sale...!
In-Reply-To: <932221B1-3EB4-4CAE-A6CE-243075971146@ziggo.nl>
References: <02e101cdd710$22cb9bb0$6862d310$@com>,
	<BLU157-W4514C35EFD4FE57EA1D756EB480@phx.gbl>,
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Message-ID: <DUB114-W1062D476510B9F07B4DAF43E34E0@phx.gbl>


nice to see you´re not just selling these manuals but also the kitchen sink ;)
 



Subject: Re: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!
From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:51:06 +0100
To: naktalk at naks.com


Hi Terry,


Thanks, like to hear from you


Norman

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

Op 13 dec. 2012 om 16:31 heeft Terry Finn <tpfinn at btinternet.com> het volgende geschreven:









Hi All
 
I seem to have opened a Pandora’s box here J
 
At  the risk of having to repeat myself re Gauges and tapes etc here’s the reply on them:
 
Yes I do Have the gauges and test tapes (and the trusty  T100 etc) but as you can appreciate, they will be the last to go
But I will let you know when...
 
Obviously Manuals,. NOS parts, chassis and complete units will be first up once I’ve sorted through them.
 
I’ll get back to a few of you individually but in the meantime
 
Keep your eyes on my eBay page 
 
Best
 
T.
 


From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ziggo
Sent: 11 December 2012 09:16
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!
 

Hi Terry,

 

And for me a m9051 if possible

 

Regards Norman

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad


Op 11 dec. 2012 om 04:39 heeft john taylor <jfj_taylor at hotmail.com> het volgende geschreven:



Hi Terry,
             I would like to buy the following gauges from you if possible, Stroke check gauge M-9047, Tape guide height check gauge S (DA09091A) and Torque Gauge FWD (DA09082a)
 
Best regards, John.
 




From: tpfinn at btinternet.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:54:16 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs and jigs for sale...!

Just to let you all know I am just testing the water for my  large library of service information, parts, machines and jigs, Mechs etc etc
 
Here’s three basic items to start, any particular requests let me know there’s a good chance I’ll have it ..... .  
 
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Nakamichi-530-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987552027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fa51b
 
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakmichi-730-Receiver-Service-Manual-With-Service-Information-Updates-/110987563621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fd265
 
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-TD-1200-PA-300-And-SP-400-Service-Manual-/110987585347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d7602743
 
My apologises to anyone who thinks I should not be posting this sort of thing, but I have been lurking and  involved with Naks a lot longer than most
And it’s now time to let go!! :=)
 
Regards
 
Terry

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From tpfinn at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 14 12:23:49 2012
From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:23:49 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines,
	mechs and jigs for sale...!
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W1062D476510B9F07B4DAF43E34E0@phx.gbl>
References: <02e101cdd710$22cb9bb0$6862d310$@com>,
	<BLU157-W4514C35EFD4FE57EA1D756EB480@phx.gbl>,
	<FADD4F4B-1942-4865-9BAF-A0ED32A06C2F@ziggo.nl>,
	<007a01cdd946$fc87d1b0$f5977510$@com>,
	<932221B1-3EB4-4CAE-A6CE-243075971146@ziggo.nl>
	<DUB114-W1062D476510B9F07B4DAF43E34E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001801cdd9ed$7d626790$782736b0$@com>

Not just any sink, but used by the hands of the man who met 

And shook the hands of both the misters N........;-)

 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of pieter rodgers
Sent: 13 December 2012 20:26
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines,
mechs and jigs for sale...!

 

nice to see you´re not just selling these manuals but also the kitchen sink
;)
 

  _____  

Subject: Re: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines,
mechs and jigs for sale...!
From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:51:06 +0100
To: naktalk at naks.com

Hi Terry,

 

Thanks, like to hear from you

 

Norman

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad


Op 13 dec. 2012 om 16:31 heeft Terry Finn <tpfinn at btinternet.com> het
volgende geschreven:

Hi All

 

I seem to have opened a Pandora’s box here J

 

At  the risk of having to repeat myself re Gauges and tapes etc here’s the
reply on them:

 

Yes I do Have the gauges and test tapes (and the trusty  T100 etc) but as
you can appreciate, they will be the last to go

But I will let you know when...

 

Obviously Manuals,. NOS parts, chassis and complete units will be first up
once I’ve sorted through them.

 

I’ll get back to a few of you individually but in the meantime

 

Keep your eyes on my eBay page 

 

Best

 

T.

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Ziggo
Sent: 11 December 2012 09:16
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines,
mechs and jigs for sale...!

 

Hi Terry,

 

And for me a m9051 if possible

 

Regards Norman

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad


Op 11 dec. 2012 om 04:39 heeft john taylor <jfj_taylor at hotmail.com> het
volgende geschreven:

Hi Terry,
             I would like to buy the following gauges from you if possible,
Stroke check gauge M-9047, Tape guide height check gauge S (DA09091A) and
Torque Gauge FWD (DA09082a)
 
Best regards, John.
 


  _____  


From: tpfinn at btinternet.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:54:16 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nakamichi service manuals, parts machines, mechs
and jigs for sale...!

Just to let you all know I am just testing the water for my  large library
of service information, parts, machines and jigs, Mechs etc etc

 

Here’s three basic items to start, any particular requests let me know
there’s a good chance I’ll have it ..... .  

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Nakamichi-530-Service-Manual-With-Service
-Information-Updates-/110987552027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3
<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Nakamichi-530-Service-Manual-With-Servic
e-Information-Updates-/110987552027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fa51
b> &hash=item19d75fa51b

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakmichi-730-Receiver-Service-Manual-With-Service-
Information-Updates-/110987563621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3
<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakmichi-730-Receiver-Service-Manual-With-Service
-Information-Updates-/110987563621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d75fd265
> &hash=item19d75fd265

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-TD-1200-PA-300-And-SP-400-Service-Manual
-/110987585347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3
<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-TD-1200-PA-300-And-SP-400-Service-Manua
l-/110987585347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19d7602743>
&hash=item19d7602743

 

My apologises to anyone who thinks I should not be posting this sort of
thing, but I have been lurking and  involved with Naks a lot longer than
most

And it’s now time to let go!! :=)

 

Regards

 

Terry


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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 17 20:43:05 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:43:05 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] belt kits gripe and positive comment
Message-ID: <CAAqwSUYoBd_bMODegLczT7S2tZ=YBTwd52kRHzwytL3i=SCWRg@mail.gmail.com>

Lately customers have been sending belt kits to be installed when I repair
their decks. I have to share with all of you that sometimes these kits are
wrong!  For example, a 700II kit had 2 belts that were so short and tight
that the deck would not function, and a 3rd that had a tiny cross section
when the factory belt was a larger size.  Belt kit suppliers are not
technicians! Please give us some credit for choosing proper belt and idler
replacements. I have no problem with the Marrs C8096 belt, but all the
other ones are going to be "subject to change".

 Perhaps we need a feedback thread on which belt kits are accurate, and
which ones need to be revised. I know kit sellers want to do the best job
possible, and if we can build a feedback system, the kits will improve.

-- 
Tom Brucker
Hi Tech Service
2934 Nolensville Pike
Nashville, TN USA
37220
hitech77 at earthlink.net
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Tue Dec 18 15:37:57 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:37:57 -0200
Subject: RES: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505
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To Phil and Fred who did give me some support in getting over a technical glitch in my (yes, less than great) Akai r2r tape recorder, the problem was indeed a faulty condenser. It took my techs down here (in Brazil) almost 7 months to "ail it" in spite of the fact that I told them what the problem was...

 

Thank you to all for your he!

 

Happy holidays to all!

 

Regards from,

 

Rodrigo Krause

 

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Philip Stone
Enviada em: terça-feira, 28 de agosto de 2012 19:31
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: RE: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505

 

Rodrigo,

 

Did you ever get help with this?

 

Phil

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Krause
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:12 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RES: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505

 

Good afternoon Fred,

 

Sorry to Just cold call your email you like this, but as a follower, a Nakamichi and hi fi devotee and an active reader of Naktalk and your comments, I thought I´d be bold and ask for your help off line. As an expert technician, I´d appreciate if you could give me some insight on the following issue.

 

I live in Brazil and come to the US quite frequently (job related travelling) and bring back stereo vintage I buy on eBay and other sources. Occasionally I buy locally, here in Brazil, and that´s when I get screwed (forgive me for my French...!). I bought a r2r Akai 1730 which happens to have a faulty motor. It starts up well and after a while it heats up and slows down or even stops. According to my local technician, the motor heats up and loses traction power. He says it cannot be fixed (which incidentally is my first question) and that he will search for a replacement. 

 

So, in your opinion, if you have one, is it theoretically possible to repair the motor? Is it worth it?

Or,

Should I make my life easier (and stop wasting your time) by simply buying a cheap parts-only similar deck and hope the motor is working or are these motors easily bought in the US?

 

Thank you in advance for any advice you may share with me.

 

Best regards,

 

Rodrigo Krause

 

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Fred Longworth
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 6 de julho de 2011 02:43
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505

 

CT,

Google tells me that your post is being sent from an unauthenticated gmail account. Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but Google has sent me separate warnings for two of your posts.

So, I'm not sure that the problem is with Naktalk per se. You might check into whether your ISP has a problem, or whether your gmail account has been compromised.

Best,

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

* * * * *

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote:

This is OT but I am getting absurd responses from the Naktalk server saying that I am not a member and other things.  I also can't get through to Julie Kessler which I have wanted to do for a few days now.  At the moment it feels like I may as well be dead for all the response I am getting.  Could Willy or someone else please reglee my account so I feel like a human being again.  And could I please just make this post available so that Julie knows that I have tried to reply.  (Possibly not this time with an offer of marriage, though I have found no reason so far to put me off.  The Dragon talk was quite fun - someone said we do end up marrying dragons - which I can't disagree with.)

 

Best wishes

 

CT

 

On 3 July 2011 00:07, MichaelG. <eidling at gmail.com> wrote:

So I have since learned...

 

Willly - you are everywhere!  In a separate e-mail I sent you my information.  When I hear back from you I will box and ship the rx-505.  It definitely "groans" a bit when it stops.

 

What is your opinion of this model?  I've always tended to avoid complicated things - I've always thought there will just be more things to go wrong, but it is a nice deck.  I'm not sure that it sounds significantly different from my BX-2 which Nakamichi serviced and then saw little use, but perhaps that is just because the RX-505 needs to be properly set up, adjusted, etc.

 

thanks again,

 

Michael

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:

It's not broken.  It works only in record mode.  Load a tape, press record and pause, feed it some source information and set your levels.  Then press the "Fader Down" button and you'll see the sound decrease to zero and the lights change. 

 

Willy

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, MichaelG. <eidling at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi - Can anyone tell me how to fix this?

 

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From fred at marrscom.com  Wed Dec 19 17:26:17 2012
From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:26:17 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 2013 Brings New Focus to Marrs Communications
Message-ID: <50D1EAA9.3080202@marrscom.com>



2013 Brings New Focus to Marrs Communications


Marrs entered the Tape Deck Belt Business selling Premium and

Factory belts for Nakamichi and other "High End" Tape Decks.


At the request of customers, I slowly started adding Belts for Economy

Brands. This was very successful, but most customers want to

purchase "Economy" belts, for Economy Brands.

The kits I sell for the Economy Brands are my Premium belts

purchased from Japan, and include a 5 year Guarantee.


Premium kits for these Economy Brands will still be available, upon request.


When I started this business, I made it very clear I have No Interest

in selling $12.00 belts manufactured in China or Taiwan.

That is not what Marrs Communications is about.

QUALITY is my main Concern.


Aiwa, Akai, Bang & Olufsen, CD Players (all Brands), Fostex,

Marantz, Nakamichi, Philips, Pioneer, Sony, Tascam, Teac

and Yamaha, will still be Fully Supported.



Beginning Janurary 2013, Marrs focus will be on Factory Belt Kits.


Factory Kits will be added for many additional Brands and Models in 2013.


Factory Belt kits are Guaranteed for 10 years and include my

Custom Belts, made in Japan. All Factory kits are for specific Brands

and Models, and include all belts used in Your Model.


Each kit is assembled after your purchase, for the Model you Own.

Factory Kits are Guaranteed to meet your Brands published wow/flutter

specifications on YOUR machine, IF you fully service the tape transport.


No other Belt Supplier can offer this Advantage. ( Their Belts will NOT
pass )


Why did I decided to make these changes ?

I am retired and want free time to do "other" things.


Thanks to all of my customers for a very, very good 2012. Happy Holidays !



Website News

***** NOW LOWER PRICES THAN eBAY ! *****

All prices on my website have been, OR will be Reduced to reflect

eBay Fee savings. Quantity discounts are no longer valid.

All Prices are NET, plus Priority Mail


http:www.marrscommunications.com <http://www.marrscommunications.com>




From fred at marrscom.com  Wed Dec 19 17:45:22 2012
From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:45:22 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 10-19-12  belt kits gripe and positive comment  
In-Reply-To: <201212181116.qBIB7oHu019867@zxe.naks.com>
References: <201212181116.qBIB7oHu019867@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <50D1EF22.60505@marrscom.com>

10-19-12

Hi Tom and the Group

Tom, are you talking about one of my 700II kits ?

If so, Please send the Details so I can make corrections.

I have been shipping the same kit for about 1-1/2 years ?

What about the 82702A, 80334, 80634, 80034 Capstans ANY issues ?

Fred M.


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> Lately customers have been sending belt kits to be installed when I repair
> their decks. I have to share with all of you that sometimes these kits are
> wrong!  For example, a 700II kit had 2 belts that were so short and tight
> that the deck would not function, and a 3rd that had a tiny cross section
> when the factory belt was a larger size.  Belt kit suppliers are not
> technicians! Please give us some credit for choosing proper belt and idler
> replacements. I have no problem with the Marrs C8096 belt, but all the
> other ones are going to be "subject to change".
>
>  Perhaps we need a feedback thread on which belt kits are accurate, and
> which ones need to be revised. I know kit sellers want to do the best job
> possible, and if we can build a feedback system, the kits will improve.
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From tpfinn at btinternet.com  Wed Dec 19 19:09:11 2012
From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:09:11 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 580 and 580M manuals..
Message-ID: <007901cdde13$f2a0ecf0$d7e2c6d0$@com>

 

Another couple of Nak services manual packages up for grabs..

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110990845941&ssPageNam
e=STRK:MESE:IT> &item=110990845941&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110990851722&ssPageNam
e=STRK:MESE:IT> &item=110990851722&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

 

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From adrian at mechner.net  Thu Dec 20 03:30:36 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:30:36 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Plasma screen
Message-ID: <000001cdde59$ff092f20$fd1b8d60$@mechner.net>

It looks like Nakamichi was present with flat screen TVs on the US market
after all.

It's my habit to search CL in my area targeted for "Nakamichi" and I found
this:

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/ele/3477226989.html

Unfortunatly I have no use what so ever for such, but how cool would it be
to have it close to your audio stuff?

 

Adrian

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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 20 04:25:14 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:25:14 -0700
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nakamichi Plasma screen
In-Reply-To: <000001cdde59$ff092f20$fd1b8d60$@mechner.net>
References: <000001cdde59$ff092f20$fd1b8d60$@mechner.net>
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Heck, if I lived in the area, I'll sure buy it for the $150 price. From: adrian at mechner.net
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:30:36 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Plasma screen

It looks like Nakamichi was present with flat screen TVs on the US market after all.It’s my habit to search CL in my area targeted for “Nakamichi” and I found this:http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/ele/3477226989.htmlUnfortunatly I have no use what so ever for such, but how cool would it be to have it close to your audio stuff? Adrian
 		 	   		  
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From psycho at rayhogan.net  Thu Dec 20 11:54:00 2012
From: psycho at rayhogan.net (Hogan Ray)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:54:00 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording
Message-ID: <BF7BBEAE-9DD4-4D3F-8646-FF35AF6ADD4E@rayhogan.net>

Can't find the manual at present, but my ZX-7 plays tapes, but no longer displays any evidence of a recording signal. No such issue with my 582 connected to the same Nakamichi pre-amp.

Press Pause/Record and Record Mute and Master Fader light up. Any ideas?

Ray Hogan




Information is not knowledge.
Knowledge  is not wisdom.
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Truth is not beauty.
Beauty  is not love.
Love is not music.
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From adrian at mechner.net  Thu Dec 20 16:24:17 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 07:24:17 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording
In-Reply-To: <BF7BBEAE-9DD4-4D3F-8646-FF35AF6ADD4E@rayhogan.net>
References: <BF7BBEAE-9DD4-4D3F-8646-FF35AF6ADD4E@rayhogan.net>
Message-ID: <7BAE00FC-3FB3-4F7E-9D81-D681A9D35947@mechner.net>

And if you go ahead and start recording, it won't even erase the previous recording...
"Orange cap" replacement...

Sent from my iPad Mini

On Dec 20, 2012, at 2:54 AM, Hogan Ray <psycho at rayhogan.net> wrote:

> Can't find the manual at present, but my ZX-7 plays tapes, but no longer displays any evidence of a recording signal. No such issue with my 582 connected to the same Nakamichi pre-amp.
> 
> Press Pause/Record and Record Mute and Master Fader light up. Any ideas?
> 
> Ray Hogan
> 
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> 
> 
> Information is not knowledge.
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> Love is not music.
> Music is the best. - Frank Zappa
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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 20 16:33:21 2012
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 07:33:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording
In-Reply-To: <BF7BBEAE-9DD4-4D3F-8646-FF35AF6ADD4E@rayhogan.net>
Message-ID: <1356017601.854.YahooMailClassic@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Check and clean the "tape/source" switch. Mine gets dirty and I've heard about others having the same complaint. I hope that works.
Bob N

--- On Thu, 12/20/12, Hogan Ray <psycho at rayhogan.net> wrote:

From: Hogan Ray <psycho at rayhogan.net>
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Thursday, December 20, 2012, 2:54 AM

Can't find the manual at present, but my ZX-7 plays tapes, but no longer displays any evidence of a recording signal. No such issue with my 582 connected to the same Nakamichi pre-amp.
Press Pause/Record and Record Mute and Master Fader light up. Any ideas?

Ray Hogan




Information is not knowledge.
Knowledge  is not wisdom.
Wisdom is not truth.
Truth is not beauty.
Beauty  is not love.
Love is not music.
Music is the best. - Frank Zappa













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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Thu Dec 20 17:36:46 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:36:46 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording
In-Reply-To: <BF7BBEAE-9DD4-4D3F-8646-FF35AF6ADD4E@rayhogan.net>
References: <BF7BBEAE-9DD4-4D3F-8646-FF35AF6ADD4E@rayhogan.net>
Message-ID: <CAM9V8MeKWpuxDGMT9Y9H89Xcgs5kGtcyrjimvcoOhBZBwyPiGA@mail.gmail.com>

If there is signal in the source mode and not signal in the tape mode as
you are recording the bias oscillator is probably dead.  Change C306 and
C307.  PITA to get to on the tail of the top board near the rear.
Best of luck.
Willy


On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Hogan Ray <psycho at rayhogan.net> wrote:

> Can't find the manual at present, but my ZX-7 plays tapes, but no longer
> displays any evidence of a recording signal. No such issue with my 582
> connected to the same Nakamichi pre-amp.
>
> Press Pause/Record and Record Mute and Master Fader light up. Any ideas?
>
> Ray Hogan
>
>
>
>
> Information is not knowledge.
> Knowledge  is not wisdom.
> Wisdom is not truth.
> Truth is not beauty.
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> Music is the best. - Frank Zappa
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From solum at onelinkpr.net  Thu Dec 20 18:33:58 2012
From: solum at onelinkpr.net (solum solum)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:33:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Wanted
Message-ID: <CAHtVDTwnX+o-o8_-ghnGDQPConHxiLkbwHQM9VYpZhYvTYvFvw@mail.gmail.com>

Searching to buy a mint-condition, both cosmetically and functionally,
Nakamichi 600 cassette console.
Please contact:
haalgian


From adrian at mechner.net  Thu Dec 20 20:29:57 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:29:57 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Plasma screen
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W5383ED6A62DF73F2389949DB370@phx.gbl>
References: <000001cdde59$ff092f20$fd1b8d60$@mechner.net>
	<SNT111-W5383ED6A62DF73F2389949DB370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001f01cddee8$65a58e20$30f0aa60$@mechner.net>

May I ask what you would do with a non HDMI and low resolution screen?

Just curious. On the other hand, there are more than once a day such
findings in my area but who would buy all of them :). Kidding. 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Exstedt
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:25 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nakamichi Plasma screen

 


Heck, if I lived in the area, I'll sure buy it for the $150 price. 

  _____  

From: adrian at mechner.net <mailto:adrian at mechner.net> 
To: naktalk at naks.com <mailto:naktalk at naks.com> 
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:30:36 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Plasma screen

It looks like Nakamichi was present with flat screen TVs on the US market
after all.

It's my habit to search CL in my area targeted for "Nakamichi" and I found
this:

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/ele/3477226989.html

Unfortunatly I have no use what so ever for such, but how cool would it be
to have it close to your audio stuff?

 

Adrian

 

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From pbtanner at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 20 22:17:02 2012
From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:17:02 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8MeKWpuxDGMT9Y9H89Xcgs5kGtcyrjimvcoOhBZBwyPiGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BF7BBEAE-9DD4-4D3F-8646-FF35AF6ADD4E@rayhogan.net>,
	<CAM9V8MeKWpuxDGMT9Y9H89Xcgs5kGtcyrjimvcoOhBZBwyPiGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU173-W1507D15BDD4666D8872229DF370@phx.gbl>


Willy, my 482Z has the same problem except it has no signal in the source mode either while it's in record. In playback mode it plays perfectly. What could be wrong?

Peter

Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:36:46 -0800
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
To: naktalk at naks.com

If there is signal in the source mode and not signal in the tape mode as you are recording the bias oscillator is probably dead.  Change C306 and C307.  PITA to get to on the tail of the top board near the rear.
Best of luck.Willy

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Hogan Ray <psycho at rayhogan.net> wrote:

Can't find the manual at present, but my ZX-7 plays tapes, but no longer displays any evidence of a recording signal. No such issue with my 582 connected to the same Nakamichi pre-amp.

Press Pause/Record and Record Mute and Master Fader light up. Any ideas?

Ray Hogan






Information is not knowledge.
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Fri Dec 21 00:09:11 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:09:11 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording
In-Reply-To: <BLU173-W1507D15BDD4666D8872229DF370@phx.gbl>
References: <BF7BBEAE-9DD4-4D3F-8646-FF35AF6ADD4E@rayhogan.net>
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Are you sure you're feeding it signal?  Try unplugging the left channel
input and output while you're trying to record and touch the two RCA
connector tips together.  If you're feeding signal into the deck you should
hear that signal on your left speaker.  If you don't trace wiring and
troubleshoot the feed end.  Are you getting meter movement in source mode?
Willy


On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Willy, my 482Z has the same problem except it has no signal in the
> source mode either while it's in record. In playback mode it plays
> perfectly. What could be wrong?
>
> Peter
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:36:46 -0800
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording
> From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
> To: naktalk at naks.com
>
>
> If there is signal in the source mode and not signal in the tape mode as
> you are recording the bias oscillator is probably dead.  Change C306 and
> C307.  PITA to get to on the tail of the top board near the rear.
> Best of luck.
> Willy
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Hogan Ray <psycho at rayhogan.net> wrote:
>
> Can't find the manual at present, but my ZX-7 plays tapes, but no longer
> displays any evidence of a recording signal. No such issue with my 582
> connected to the same Nakamichi pre-amp.
>
> Press Pause/Record and Record Mute and Master Fader light up. Any ideas?
>
> Ray Hogan
>
>
>
>
> Information is not knowledge.
> Knowledge  is not wisdom.
> Wisdom is not truth.
> Truth is not beauty.
> Beauty  is not love.
> Love is not music.
> Music is the best. - Frank Zappa
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>
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>
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 21 00:24:55 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:24:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] OT - Shakespearean Theater on LPs
Message-ID: <1356045895.48436.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Anyone into Shakespearean Theater? I have a recording of Othello (complete play) 
on 3 LPs. Jose Ferrer, Paul Robson, et al. 

5 bucks plus shipping.

-- Ron
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 21 02:39:24 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:39:24 -0700
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nakamichi Plasma screen
In-Reply-To: <001f01cddee8$65a58e20$30f0aa60$@mechner.net>
References: <000001cdde59$ff092f20$fd1b8d60$@mechner.net>,
	<SNT111-W5383ED6A62DF73F2389949DB370@phx.gbl>,
	<001f01cddee8$65a58e20$30f0aa60$@mechner.net>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W33403A596B826CB7D3943EDB360@phx.gbl>







I'm simply not a video person. Mostly watch TV news, NFL, and NBA. My 32" Sony 
Tritron just been donated and now my 1990 newly purchased 27" NEC bedroom monitor is in the living room (LOL).
I'll come around to a new 50" LCD, just in no hurry.
From: adrian at mechner.net
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Plasma screen
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:29:57 -0800

May I ask what you would do with a non HDMI and low resolution screen?Just curious. On the other hand, there are more than once a day such findings in my area but who would buy all of them J. Kidding. Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:25 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nakamichi Plasma screen 
Heck, if I lived in the area, I'll sure buy it for the $150 price. From: adrian at mechner.net
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:30:36 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Plasma screenIt looks like Nakamichi was present with flat screen TVs on the US market after all.It’s my habit to search CL in my area targeted for “Nakamichi” and I found this:http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/ele/3477226989.htmlUnfortunatly I have no use what so ever for such, but how cool would it be to have it close to your audio stuff? Adrian 
 		 	   		  
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 21 02:55:08 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:55:08 -0700
Subject: FW: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording
In-Reply-To: <1356017601.854.YahooMailClassic@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <BF7BBEAE-9DD4-4D3F-8646-FF35AF6ADD4E@rayhogan.net>,
	<1356017601.854.YahooMailClassic@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W50723C5297F0E2E26B214FDB360@phx.gbl>



 All three ZX-7's I've owned needed the tape/source switch cleaned. Perhaps not just dirt, but oxidation. It took a few tries, but  I got them cleaned and working fine.Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 07:33:21 -0800
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording
To: naktalk at naks.com

Check and clean the "tape/source" switch. Mine gets dirty and I've heard about others having the same complaint. I hope that works.
Bob N

--- On Thu, 12/20/12, Hogan Ray <psycho at rayhogan.net> wrote:

From: Hogan Ray <psycho at rayhogan.net>
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Thursday, December 20, 2012, 2:54 AM

Can't find the manual at present, but my ZX-7 plays tapes, but no longer displays any evidence of a recording signal. No such issue with my 582 connected to the same Nakamichi pre-amp.
Press Pause/Record and Record Mute and Master Fader light up. Any ideas?
Ray Hogan














 
 		 	   		  
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Fri Dec 21 04:27:44 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:27:44 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] OT - Shakespearean Theater on LPs
References: <1356045895.48436.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501cddf2b$250dedb0$440110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

Ron,I have to ask, are you offering cassette recordings?? 

Cheers,
Rainer S.


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ron 
  To: NakTalk 
  Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 5:24 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] OT - Shakespearean Theater on LPs


  Anyone into Shakespearean Theater? I have a recording of Othello (complete play) 
  on 3 LPs. Jose Ferrer, Paul Robson, et al. 

  5 bucks plus shipping.

  -- Ron






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From n.nikolaev at gmail.com  Fri Dec 21 10:12:54 2012
From: n.nikolaev at gmail.com (nikolay nikolaev)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:12:54 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 zxl manual or instructions for proper
	recording
Message-ID: <CANCu8ZqtMsprcJvQ0KQOjKsPAq8JgO+M6SWfyGGZdfUEZbUQiw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,
could you tell me from where to find manual for Nakamichi 1000 zxl?
I would like to have instructions how make records properly.
Does some you have pdf version?
I could read English, German, Russian
All the best
Nikolaev, UK
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Dec 21 17:28:33 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:28:33 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 zxl manual or instructions for proper 
	recording
In-Reply-To: <CANCu8ZqtMsprcJvQ0KQOjKsPAq8JgO+M6SWfyGGZdfUEZbUQiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANCu8ZqtMsprcJvQ0KQOjKsPAq8JgO+M6SWfyGGZdfUEZbUQiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0cef812d54877d0dfdb94a425625c7b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Check the link that is essentially in every naktalk post and will lead you:

http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents

Wouter

> Hi there,
> could you tell me from where to find manual for Nakamichi 1000 zxl?
> I would like to have instructions how make records properly.
> Does some you have pdf version?
> I could read English, German, Russian
> All the best
> Nikolaev, UK




From patty at jbrudy.com  Fri Dec 21 18:00:04 2012
From: patty at jbrudy.com (patty at jbrudy.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:00:04 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] ***Please Read***OUT OF THE OFFICE
Message-ID: <955825670f5644489d3f38ff5b640cbd@22284c17de1242da8a51f273e927f090>

I WILL BE OUT OF THE OFFICE ELF HUNTING WITH SANTA 12/21/12

PLEASE CONTACT JANILLE IN CUSTOMER SERVICE IF CHECKING ON PURCHASE ORDERS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING YOUR ORDER.
PLEASE CALL THE OFFICE IF YOU ARE PLACING AN ORDER (800) 832-6969

SINCERELY,
PATTY






From dball1 at woh.rr.com  Fri Dec 21 18:19:05 2012
From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:19:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 zxl manual or instructions for proper
	recording
In-Reply-To: <CANCu8ZqtMsprcJvQ0KQOjKsPAq8JgO+M6SWfyGGZdfUEZbUQiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANCu8ZqtMsprcJvQ0KQOjKsPAq8JgO+M6SWfyGGZdfUEZbUQiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMAHYTSNQ7n96Dxjg=jTuAsfMZ5pMw+gkuL1ABzFGAWdgjYyMw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nikolaev.  Give this link a try.....

http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents#owners_manuals

Dennis

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 4:12 AM, nikolay nikolaev <n.nikolaev at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi there,
> could you tell me from where to find manual for Nakamichi 1000 zxl?
> I would like to have instructions how make records properly.
> Does some you have pdf version?
> I could read English, German, Russian
> All the best
> Nikolaev, UK
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Fri Dec 21 18:33:51 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:33:51 -0200
Subject: RES: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8MexcC6CBn8WPYZHF6RWzsK=r5xkRg7SmUkrK9ambqH9bg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BF7BBEAE-9DD4-4D3F-8646-FF35AF6ADD4E@rayhogan.net><CAM9V8MeKWpuxDGMT9Y9H89Xcgs5kGtcyrjimvcoOhBZBwyPiGA@mail.gmail.com><BLU173-W1507D15BDD4666D8872229DF370@phx.gbl>
	<CAM9V8MexcC6CBn8WPYZHF6RWzsK=r5xkRg7SmUkrK9ambqH9bg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC405765E8C@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Hi Willy,

 

If you don´t mind my asking, y ZX-7 does a weird clutch type noise when I hit the stop Button (everything else work just fine). I think that this is most likely the lack or the excess of lubricant in the gear. I checked the NakTalk "library" and I found this memo (see attachment). Would you say that this is a safe bet?

Thank you and merry Christmas!

 

Rodrigo

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Willy Hermann
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 20 de dezembro de 2012 21:09
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording

 

Are you sure you're feeding it signal?  Try unplugging the left channel input and output while you're trying to record and touch the two RCA connector tips together.  If you're feeding signal into the deck you should hear that signal on your left speaker.  If you don't trace wiring and troubleshoot the feed end.  Are you getting meter movement in source mode?

Willy

 

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com> wrote:

Willy, my 482Z has the same problem except it has no signal in the source mode either while it's in record. In playback mode it plays perfectly. What could be wrong?

Peter

________________________________

Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:36:46 -0800
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
To: naktalk at naks.com

 

If there is signal in the source mode and not signal in the tape mode as you are recording the bias oscillator is probably dead.  Change C306 and C307.  PITA to get to on the tail of the top board near the rear.

Best of luck.

Willy

 

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Hogan Ray <psycho at rayhogan.net> wrote:

Can't find the manual at present, but my ZX-7 plays tapes, but no longer displays any evidence of a recording signal. No such issue with my 582 connected to the same Nakamichi pre-amp.

 

Press Pause/Record and Record Mute and Master Fader light up. Any ideas?

 

Ray Hogan

 


Information is not knowledge.
Knowledge  is not wisdom.
Wisdom is not truth.
Truth is not beauty.
Beauty  is not love.
Love is not music.
Music is the best. - Frank Zappa









 


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From adrian at mechner.net  Fri Dec 21 20:14:54 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:14:54 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Plasma screen
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W33403A596B826CB7D3943EDB360@phx.gbl>
References: <000001cdde59$ff092f20$fd1b8d60$@mechner.net>,
	<SNT111-W5383ED6A62DF73F2389949DB370@phx.gbl>,
	<001f01cddee8$65a58e20$30f0aa60$@mechner.net>
	<SNT111-W33403A596B826CB7D3943EDB360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000401cddfaf$758d7c90$60a875b0$@mechner.net>

Rodrigo my friend,

This time you got me wrong. I was simply curious what an educated audiophile
(in my mind such a person is deeper related to electronics than simply
cassette machines), could do in 2012 and almost 2013 with a non HD screen. I
love even CNN to have stunning picture. As much as I am an audiophile, I
want joy for my eyes too. I am also a cinefil and my portfolio goes from
Fellini and Tarkowski up to what's last released. So, YES, I was genuinely
curious about that matter.

 

Mark, 

If you're somewhere in US and really want the screen, I can get it for you
and ship it at your cost. I still have the box of my 55" LED bedroom screen
in my garage and can use it for that matter.

Adrian

 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Exstedt
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 5:39 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nakamichi Plasma screen

 

 


I'm simply not a video person. Mostly watch TV news, NFL, and NBA. My 32"
Sony 
Tritron just been donated and now my 1990 newly purchased 27" NEC bedroom
monitor is in the living room (LOL).
I'll come around to a new 50" LCD, just in no hurry.

  _____  

From: adrian at mechner.net <mailto:adrian at mechner.net> 
To: naktalk at naks.com <mailto:naktalk at naks.com> 
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Plasma screen
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:29:57 -0800

May I ask what you would do with a non HDMI and low resolution screen?

Just curious. On the other hand, there are more than once a day such
findings in my area but who would buy all of them :). Kidding. 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com>
[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:25 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com <mailto:naktalk at naks.com> 
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nakamichi Plasma screen

 


Heck, if I lived in the area, I'll sure buy it for the $150 price. 

  _____  

From: adrian at mechner.net <mailto:adrian at mechner.net> 
To: naktalk at naks.com <mailto:naktalk at naks.com> 
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:30:36 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Plasma screen

It looks like Nakamichi was present with flat screen TVs on the US market
after all.

It's my habit to search CL in my area targeted for "Nakamichi" and I found
this:

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/ele/3477226989.html

Unfortunatly I have no use what so ever for such, but how cool would it be
to have it close to your audio stuff?

 

Adrian

 

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From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 21 21:29:37 2012
From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:29:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Wanted
In-Reply-To: <CAHtVDTwnX+o-o8_-ghnGDQPConHxiLkbwHQM9VYpZhYvTYvFvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1356121777.14073.YahooMailClassic@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Have you considered a rescue Nakamichi 600 ?  They are relatively easy to work on ( I learned by trying ) and can be found on eBay for a small fraction of what a mint one will cost. I got one recently for $ 16  .  I was very dirty....looked like it was stored in a chimney...but after cleaning and lubing it works great !  It didn't even need a new belt. Sometimes fixing up old neglected Naks can be half the fun.      thomas.

--- On Thu, 12/20/12, solum solum <solum at onelinkpr.net> wrote:


From: solum solum <solum at onelinkpr.net>
Subject: [naktalk] Wanted
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Thursday, December 20, 2012, 12:33 PM


Searching to buy a mint-condition, both cosmetically and functionally,
Nakamichi 600 cassette console.
Please contact:
haalgian
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Sat Dec 22 01:58:24 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:58:24 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording
In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC405765E8C@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
References: <BF7BBEAE-9DD4-4D3F-8646-FF35AF6ADD4E@rayhogan.net>
	<CAM9V8MeKWpuxDGMT9Y9H89Xcgs5kGtcyrjimvcoOhBZBwyPiGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU173-W1507D15BDD4666D8872229DF370@phx.gbl>
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	<382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC405765E8C@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
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For some reason I didn't get the attachment but it's OK.  That noise is
sticky old lubricant on the shaft of the cam gear.  It's a pain to get to
but is always part of my complete rebuild.
Happy holidays.
Willy


On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Rodrigo Krause <rkrause at multiplan.com.br>wrote:

> Hi Willy,****
>
> ** **
>
> If you don´t mind my asking, y ZX-7 does a weird clutch type noise when I
> hit the stop Button (everything else work just fine). I think that this is
> most likely the lack or the excess of lubricant in the gear. I checked the
> NakTalk “library” and I found this memo (see attachment). Would you say
> that this is a safe bet?****
>
> Thank you and merry Christmas!****
>
> ** **
>
> Rodrigo****
>
> ** **
>
> *De:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *Em nome
> de *Willy Hermann
> *Enviada em:* quinta-feira, 20 de dezembro de 2012 21:09
> *Para:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Assunto:* Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording****
>
> ** **
>
> Are you sure you're feeding it signal?  Try unplugging the left channel
> input and output while you're trying to record and touch the two RCA
> connector tips together.  If you're feeding signal into the deck you should
> hear that signal on your left speaker.  If you don't trace wiring and
> troubleshoot the feed end.  Are you getting meter movement in source mode?
> ****
>
> Willy****
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>
> wrote:****
>
> Willy, my 482Z has the same problem except it has no signal in the source
> mode either while it's in record. In playback mode it plays perfectly. What
> could be wrong?
>
> Peter****
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:36:46 -0800
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording
> From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
> To: naktalk at naks.com****
>
> ** **
>
> If there is signal in the source mode and not signal in the tape mode as
> you are recording the bias oscillator is probably dead.  Change C306 and
> C307.  PITA to get to on the tail of the top board near the rear.****
>
> Best of luck.****
>
> Willy****
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Hogan Ray <psycho at rayhogan.net> wrote:***
> *
>
> Can't find the manual at present, but my ZX-7 plays tapes, but no longer
> displays any evidence of a recording signal. No such issue with my 582
> connected to the same Nakamichi pre-amp.****
>
> ** **
>
> Press Pause/Record and Record Mute and Master Fader light up. Any ideas?**
> **
>
> ** **
>
> Ray Hogan
>
>
>
>
> Information is not knowledge.
> Knowledge  is not wisdom.
> Wisdom is not truth.
> Truth is not beauty.
> Beauty  is not love.
> Love is not music.
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>
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>
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>
>
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From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se  Sat Dec 22 13:14:31 2012
From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:14:31 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Wanted
References: <1356121777.14073.YahooMailClassic@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <55E14204E5614F2FA319EC6713454C2F@superdator>

I totally agree! I am currently working on a CR-7E wich i got cheap on Ebay. It was sold as unserviceable so i took a chance.
When it arrived, the first thing i noticed was that the cover was repainted in a horrible way. Secondly when i opened it, it was 
clear that the person who had tried to fix this player had no cloue about what he/she was doing. Almost every internal wire has burn
marks from a soldering iron. On the Dolby board several cooper strips are damaged and replaced with horrible installed wires
size awg 20. On the logic board the pot for adjusting idler torque has been melted by the soldering iron so its not possible to adjust it.
The mechanism locked like someone had poored oil and grease in to it. 

I could do this to a very long list but i stop here. The thing is that i think this is fun! Some day this deck will operate again and the
feeling i get from that is priceless. 

So from cold and snowy Sweden I wish you all a Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year/Pelle.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: thomas 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 9:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wanted


        Have you considered a rescue Nakamichi 600 ?  They are relatively easy to work on ( I learned by trying ) and can be found on eBay for a small fraction of what a mint one will cost. I got one recently for $ 16  .  I was very dirty....looked like it was stored in a chimney...but after cleaning and lubing it works great !  It didn't even need a new belt. Sometimes fixing up old neglected Naks can be half the fun.      thomas.

        --- On Thu, 12/20/12, solum solum <solum at onelinkpr.net> wrote:


          From: solum solum <solum at onelinkpr.net>
          Subject: [naktalk] Wanted
          To: naktalk at naks.com
          Date: Thursday, December 20, 2012, 12:33 PM


          Searching to buy a mint-condition, both cosmetically and functionally,
          Nakamichi 600 cassette console.
          Please contact:
          haalgian
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From patty at jbrudy.com  Sat Dec 22 13:46:20 2012
From: patty at jbrudy.com (patty at jbrudy.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 05:46:20 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] ***Please Read***OUT OF THE OFFICE
Message-ID: <66c6de4bb3e94351ace8103ca68e6034@183e0281ab99449b9d2c2c9eb9752daa>

I WILL BE OUT OF THE OFFICE ELF HUNTING WITH SANTA 12/21/12

PLEASE CONTACT JANILLE IN CUSTOMER SERVICE IF CHECKING ON PURCHASE ORDERS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING YOUR ORDER.
PLEASE CALL THE OFFICE IF YOU ARE PLACING AN ORDER (800) 832-6969

SINCERELY,
PATTY






From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sat Dec 22 16:54:27 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:54:27 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Fashion Headphones
Message-ID: <6ed06a848d2a9da11dc5a90ee53e6d72.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Like Adrien I went to Sears today and picked up the (even) lower-end
'Nakamichi' NK850 'fashion headphones'... well nothing serious also, bad
sound. Nice is the cord, fits me nice and I like the microphone and pause
button for when I use it with my phone.

Also took the earphones but they will likely be even worse.

Both are just fun to have nothing more.

They are made in China by some company in New York (Wow Technologies) that
licenced the brandname I suppose.

Wouter



From jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr  Sat Dec 22 17:46:30 2012
From: jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr (Jean-Jerome PREJEAN)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 17:46:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] PB  1000 
Message-ID: <DCFBABBF-9FDE-4A17-8F50-56BAF52B14C3@orange.fr>

  Hello

I have some problems with the  LEFT  channel
of a 1000 TYPE II
NO current or very weak signal
is the front pannel easy to detach
should i  use a special spray dedicated
to such problem
on the other hand the RIGHT  channel
works perfectly
best regards


From mblindsey at gmail.com  Sun Dec 23 20:12:35 2012
From: mblindsey at gmail.com (Michael Lindsey)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:12:35 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 problem diagnosis request
Message-ID: <CAAz=Jnz8C41pGvBSO-u6k4MowQ5rfs68aMQDr4qbmMrpvMtwEA@mail.gmail.com>

*My Nak 700 just started making a clicking noise, when turned on and
(forgive me for not knowing exactly what this piece is called) the capstan
spins continuously.

Here is a picture with arrows pointing to the spinning/clicking parts:

https://plus.google.com/photos/109019446189850617689/albums/5825216554970790673

I'm pretty good with a soldering iron, and have certainly spent more money
on this deck than it is worth at professional repair shops.  So, I'm hoping
someone will be able to tell me this is a easy problem to fix.

Thanks so much in advance!

--Michael*
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From aldaylight at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 22:37:42 2012
From: aldaylight at gmail.com (alan daylight)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 10:37:42 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 482Z cassette deck.
Message-ID: <CANwN6uygucHfAWd7sRM3BtDTZLrhiJE2-egGQ15Qis7X4TGZkw@mail.gmail.com>

My 482Z's take up capstan has stopped turning during record/play. I gather
from reading these posts that I have to take the small faceplate off by
undoing the two screws. The RH screw is hard to get at. Do I need to remove
the whole fascia first.?
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 25 02:50:48 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:50:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 482Z cassette deck.
References: <CANwN6uygucHfAWd7sRM3BtDTZLrhiJE2-egGQ15Qis7X4TGZkw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1356400248.54791.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>


This shouldn't be necessary. After opening the door and removing the 
door cover there is an almost straight path for a screwdriver to reach
the screw from the front.

Once the cassette back  plate is removed, put the deck into PLAY mode 
with no cassette in the well. Apply finger pressure to the takeup hub. In a 
properly working deck, stopping the hub should stop the motor pulley as 
well. If there is no slippage, suspect the reel motor adjustment or the 
motor itself. If there is slippage, clean all mating surfaces thoroughly. 

Good luck,

-- Ron



>________________________________
> From: alan daylight <aldaylight at gmail.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 4:37 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 482Z cassette deck.
> 
>
>My 482Z's take up capstan has stopped turning during record/play. I gather from reading these posts that I have to take the small faceplate off by undoing the two screws. The RH screw is hard to get at. Do I need to remove the whole fascia first.?
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From solexny at gmail.com  Thu Dec 27 03:59:00 2012
From: solexny at gmail.com (Dan Moy)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:59:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] FS: BX-300 with 220+ Tapes ($350.00)
Message-ID: <CANyhGbu-z2EPd-q1epW2DYoE4LAp=rknXrf7TiAMhea8KGtLYA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
It's about time I down size too many hobbies and too many formats and must
part with my deck which I have owned for about 4 years.

2nd owner, excellent condition BX-300
Comes with Original Box
Idler tire replaced (very recently)
Reel Motor Cleaned

Scratches on the top of the deck

I would be willing to make separate deals on the deck and the tapes

220+ tapes from 80's and 90's (Rock, New Wave, Classic Guitar, Classical)
2 new Maxell XL-II 90


Asking $350, will ship in CONUS at your cost
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From shoeihell at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 27 23:55:12 2012
From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:55:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stabilant 22
In-Reply-To: <201212271116.qBRB7wh0025389@zxe.naks.com>
References: <201212271116.qBRB7wh0025389@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <1356648912.27553.YahooMailNeo@web162803.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I know the techs talked in here many times about decks like the 700ZXL as being especially vulnerable where the PCB cards plug in. In fact it was said to be the Achilles Heel of these decks. So unless I'm missing something, wouldn't cleaning the contact portion and then using
Stabilant 22 at the contact points be the definitive answer to this problem? 



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From mrm12000 at cableone.net  Fri Dec 28 00:19:58 2012
From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:19:58 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi CR-2A and MANY Cr02 and metal blank tapes
Message-ID: <CAMwrFez9QZ64XCNqSY3cYc77vUHe8-m2B27zzdcj-idf2tycnw@mail.gmail.com>

I have a very nice (8 out of 10 condition), fully functioning Nak CR-2A
deck that I'd like to sell. I'll take offers, and the best one over $50
plus shipping gets it.

I also have a large number of sealed Maxell and TDK Cr02 tapes for sale,
along with some sealed and some unsealed metal tapes -- more than 60 in
total. I want to sell as a lot. For these, it's also the best offer over
$50 plus shipping.
I can provide pictures of the deck and an inventory/pictures tapes.

Marc
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From ghachaai at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 28 03:26:53 2012
From: ghachaai at yahoo.com (Sourav)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:26:53 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi CR-2A and MANY Cr02 and metal blank tapes
Message-ID: <ikbaapk63uri1ptbi4u4t5u4.1356661613672@email.android.com>

Hi,

Where r u based out ? I am at california, usa and interested.

Regards,
Sourav




Sent from Samsung tabletmrm12000 at cableone.net wrote:I have a very nice (8 out of 10 condition), fully functioning Nak CR-2A deck that I'd like to sell. I'll take offers, and the best one over $50 plus shipping gets it.

 
I also have a large number of sealed Maxell and TDK Cr02 tapes for sale, along with some sealed and some unsealed metal tapes -- more than 60 in total. I want to sell as a lot. For these, it's also the best offer over $50 plus shipping.
I can provide pictures of the deck and an inventory/pictures tapes.
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From serbianduke13 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 28 10:54:32 2012
From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:54:32 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi CR-2A and MANY Cr02 and metal blank tapes
In-Reply-To: <CAMwrFez9QZ64XCNqSY3cYc77vUHe8-m2B27zzdcj-idf2tycnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMwrFez9QZ64XCNqSY3cYc77vUHe8-m2B27zzdcj-idf2tycnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG+rBzJp+VBgm5+4jYpSofR5K=k_vA7X8jFaz_ZHhHUXK+UsLg@mail.gmail.com>

I am interested...Where are you? My offer is 70...

Dragon

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:19 AM, mrm12000 at cableone.net <
mrm12000 at cableone.net> wrote:

> I have a very nice (8 out of 10 condition), fully functioning Nak CR-2A
> deck that I'd like to sell. I'll take offers, and the best one over $50
> plus shipping gets it.
>
> I also have a large number of sealed Maxell and TDK Cr02 tapes for sale,
> along with some sealed and some unsealed metal tapes -- more than 60 in
> total. I want to sell as a lot. For these, it's also the best offer over
> $50 plus shipping.
> I can provide pictures of the deck and an inventory/pictures tapes.
>
> Marc
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From mrm12000 at cableone.net  Fri Dec 28 15:25:16 2012
From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 07:25:16 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi CR-2A and MANY Cr02 and metal blank tapes
In-Reply-To: <CAG+rBzJp+VBgm5+4jYpSofR5K=k_vA7X8jFaz_ZHhHUXK+UsLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMwrFez9QZ64XCNqSY3cYc77vUHe8-m2B27zzdcj-idf2tycnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG+rBzJp+VBgm5+4jYpSofR5K=k_vA7X8jFaz_ZHhHUXK+UsLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMwrFeyE84KsZNVOKtgMtvspVExXaE4rFNZ0F6ZEOFbk0UGzeQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in the US. Right now, the high bid is $100 plus shipping.

Marc

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I am interested...Where are you? My offer is 70...
>
> Dragon
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:19 AM, mrm12000 at cableone.net <
> mrm12000 at cableone.net> wrote:
>
>> I have a very nice (8 out of 10 condition), fully functioning Nak CR-2A
>> deck that I'd like to sell. I'll take offers, and the best one over $50
>> plus shipping gets it.
>>
>> I also have a large number of sealed Maxell and TDK Cr02 tapes for sale,
>> along with some sealed and some unsealed metal tapes -- more than 60 in
>> total. I want to sell as a lot. For these, it's also the best offer over
>> $50 plus shipping.
>> I can provide pictures of the deck and an inventory/pictures tapes.
>>
>> Marc
>>
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From mrm12000 at cableone.net  Fri Dec 28 15:27:13 2012
From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 07:27:13 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi CR-2A and MANY Cr02 and metal blank tapes
In-Reply-To: <ikbaapk63uri1ptbi4u4t5u4.1356661613672@email.android.com>
References: <ikbaapk63uri1ptbi4u4t5u4.1356661613672@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CAMwrFezU0Wnt__3NCxOj1y5BBqdcMpeV0ihj=Nnz_3PS_rnQLA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in Arizona.

Right now, the high bid is $100 plus shipping.

I have the following. I was wrong in my message about the total being over
60. There are 57 in total.
Cr02
18 Maxell XLII 60s, sealed
8 Maxell XLII 90s, sealed
2 Maxell XLII-S 90s, sealed
4 Maxell XLII 110s, sealed
2 TDK SA--90s, sealed
5 TDK SD90s, sealed
2 TDK SA100s, sealed
2 Sony UX90s, sealed
1 Sony UCX90, sealed
1 Sony CD-IT100, sealed
1 TDK SA100, open/used
1TDK SA-XG90, open/used
Metal
1 Maxell MX 110, sealed
1 TDK MA60, sealed
1 TDK MA90, sealed
2 Fuji FRmetal, sealed
3 TDK MA110, open/used
1 Sony Metal-SR, open/used
1 Maxell MX90, open/used
For the used tapes, I have a very strong degausser and can erase them for
you, returning them to nearly new condition and ready for taping.
Sincerely,
Marc


On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Sourav <ghachaai at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Where r u based out ? I am at california, usa and interested.
>
> Regards,
> Sourav
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Samsung tablet
>
> mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote:
>
> I have a very nice (8 out of 10 condition), fully functioning Nak CR-2A
> deck that I'd like to sell. I'll take offers, and the best one over $50
> plus shipping gets it.
>
> I also have a large number of sealed Maxell and TDK Cr02 tapes for sale,
> along with some sealed and some unsealed metal tapes -- more than 60 in
> total. I want to sell as a lot. For these, it's also the best offer over
> $50 plus shipping.
> I can provide pictures of the deck and an inventory/pictures tapes.
>
> Marc
>
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From adrian at mechner.net  Fri Dec 28 20:47:12 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:47:12 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi CR-2A and MANY Cr02 and metal blank tapes
In-Reply-To: <CAMwrFezU0Wnt__3NCxOj1y5BBqdcMpeV0ihj=Nnz_3PS_rnQLA@mail.gmail.com>
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$120

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of mrm12000 at cableone.net
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:27 AM
To: Sourav; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi CR-2A and MANY Cr02 and metal blank
tapes

 

I'm in Arizona.

 

Right now, the high bid is $100 plus shipping.

 

I have the following. I was wrong in my message about the total being over
60. There are 57 in total.

Cr02

18 Maxell XLII 60s, sealed

8 Maxell XLII 90s, sealed

2 Maxell XLII-S 90s, sealed

4 Maxell XLII 110s, sealed

2 TDK SA--90s, sealed

5 TDK SD90s, sealed

2 TDK SA100s, sealed

2 Sony UX90s, sealed

1 Sony UCX90, sealed

1 Sony CD-IT100, sealed

1 TDK SA100, open/used

1TDK SA-XG90, open/used

Metal

1 Maxell MX 110, sealed

1 TDK MA60, sealed
1 TDK MA90, sealed

2 Fuji FRmetal, sealed

3 TDK MA110, open/used

1 Sony Metal-SR, open/used

1 Maxell MX90, open/used

For the used tapes, I have a very strong degausser and can erase them for
you, returning them to nearly new condition and ready for taping.

Sincerely,

Marc

 

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Sourav <ghachaai at yahoo.com
<mailto:ghachaai at yahoo.com> > wrote:

Hi,

 

Where r u based out ? I am at california, usa and interested.

 

Regards,

Sourav

 

 

 

 

Sent from Samsung tablet


mrm12000 at cableone.net <mailto:mrm12000 at cableone.net>  wrote:

I have a very nice (8 out of 10 condition), fully functioning Nak CR-2A deck
that I'd like to sell. I'll take offers, and the best one over $50 plus
shipping gets it.

 

I also have a large number of sealed Maxell and TDK Cr02 tapes for sale,
along with some sealed and some unsealed metal tapes -- more than 60 in
total. I want to sell as a lot. For these, it's also the best offer over $50
plus shipping.

I can provide pictures of the deck and an inventory/pictures tapes.

Marc


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From mrm12000 at cableone.net  Fri Dec 28 23:14:29 2012
From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:14:29 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi CR-2A and MANY Cr02 and metal blank tapes
In-Reply-To: <001801cde534$220bc830$66235890$@mechner.net>
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I accepted an offer, but the buyer is outside the US. If the deal falls
through, I'll let you know.

Marc

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

> $120****
>
> Adrian****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
> Behalf Of *mrm12000 at cableone.net
> *Sent:* Friday, December 28, 2012 6:27 AM
> *To:* Sourav; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi CR-2A and MANY Cr02 and metal
> blank tapes****
>
> ** **
>
> I'm in Arizona.****
>
>  ****
>
> Right now, the high bid is $100 plus shipping.****
>
>  ****
>
> I have the following. I was wrong in my message about the total being over
> 60. There are 57 in total.****
>
> Cr02****
>
> 18 Maxell XLII 60s, sealed****
>
> 8 Maxell XLII 90s, sealed****
>
> 2 Maxell XLII-S 90s, sealed****
>
> 4 Maxell XLII 110s, sealed****
>
> 2 TDK SA--90s, sealed****
>
> 5 TDK SD90s, sealed****
>
> 2 TDK SA100s, sealed****
>
> 2 Sony UX90s, sealed****
>
> 1 Sony UCX90, sealed****
>
> 1 Sony CD-IT100, sealed****
>
> 1 TDK SA100, open/used****
>
> 1TDK SA-XG90, open/used****
>
> Metal****
>
> 1 Maxell MX 110, sealed****
>
> 1 TDK MA60, sealed
> 1 TDK MA90, sealed****
>
> 2 Fuji FRmetal, sealed****
>
> 3 TDK MA110, open/used****
>
> 1 Sony Metal-SR, open/used****
>
> 1 Maxell MX90, open/used****
>
> For the used tapes, I have a very strong degausser and can erase them for
> you, returning them to nearly new condition and ready for taping.****
>
> Sincerely,****
>
> Marc****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Sourav <ghachaai at yahoo.com> wrote:****
>
> Hi,****
>
> ** **
>
> Where r u based out ? I am at california, usa and interested.****
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,****
>
> Sourav****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Sent from Samsung tablet****
>
>
> mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote:****
>
> I have a very nice (8 out of 10 condition), fully functioning Nak CR-2A
> deck that I'd like to sell. I'll take offers, and the best one over $50
> plus shipping gets it.****
>
>  ****
>
> I also have a large number of sealed Maxell and TDK Cr02 tapes for sale,
> along with some sealed and some unsealed metal tapes -- more than 60 in
> total. I want to sell as a lot. For these, it's also the best offer over
> $50 plus shipping.****
>
> I can provide pictures of the deck and an inventory/pictures tapes.****
>
> Marc****
>
>
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From andrei_kho at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 31 02:01:04 2012
From: andrei_kho at hotmail.com (andrei kho)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 01:01:04 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable
Message-ID: <BLU174-W37D149BAE935B44AFA8E27E93C0@phx.gbl>


Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only one it's fine. 

This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both ends. 

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From fripp_em at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 31 05:40:30 2012
From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:40:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable
In-Reply-To: <BLU174-W37D149BAE935B44AFA8E27E93C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU174-W37D149BAE935B44AFA8E27E93C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1356928831.70863.YahooMailNeo@web163903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-ORIGINAL-SRC-1-CASSETTE-DECK-CABLE-/300335338750



________________________________
 From: andrei kho <andrei_kho at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable
 

 
Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only one it's fine. 

This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both ends. 
Andrei 
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 31 19:15:02 2012
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:15:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable
In-Reply-To: <BLU174-W37D149BAE935B44AFA8E27E93C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1356977702.39021.YahooMailClassic@web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The SRC-1 is only for connecting tape decks to compatible preamp or receivers like the CA-7 or TA-series.  That cable is not for CD Players or the ST-7 tuner.  The CD player uses a different shape DIN-8 connect and the tuner uses a DIN-7.
 
I have custom made all three types of these cables for people for less than the cost of the genuine SRC-1.
 
Scott

--- On Sun, 12/30/12, andrei kho <andrei_kho at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: andrei kho <andrei_kho at hotmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi SRC-1 cable
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 5:01 PM







Looking for a Nakamichi SRC-1 cable; in fact need two but If you have only one it's fine. 

This is a cable to connect many Nakamichi decks, some of CD Players and ST-7 tuner with control preamp or receiver. It has 8-pin DIN male sockets on both ends. 
Andrei 

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From drucyphr at gmail.com  Mon Dec 31 21:53:41 2012
From: drucyphr at gmail.com (drucyphr)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:53:41 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions
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I finally got the idler tire replaced in my BX-300. I encountered a couple
of hiccups in the process, all related to the tiny washer that holds the
idler hub on the shaft. After struggling to remove the washer, it went
flying into the unit somewhere never to be found again. I ordered a
replacement, and then struggled to install it back on the shaft. All said
and done the repair did fix my initial problem and the transport now works.

Now I have a new problem. When playing a cassette, the master output shows
a stereo signal but there is no sound. Adjusting the volume output slider
causes heavy static noises. I am going to disassemble the front panel and
spray the volume slide pot with Deoxit D5 and Faderlube F5.

If anyone has any recommendations on any other possible problems/solutions
please respond.

Thanks and happy New Years!

-Andrew


On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire
> or gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number?
>
> Not really. The gear update was available as a replacement part for decks
> that originally came with a rubber idler and there's no telling whether
> your
> deck was upgraded without actually looking. The rubber design was poor
> (you can almost call it a mistake) -- it required a tire replacement every
> couple of years in average use. The gear totally fixed the problem.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* drucyphr <drucyphr at gmail.com>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 3:16 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions
>
> Thanks for the replies. I will inspect the takeup hub and idler today. I
> went ahead and ordered an idler tire from ESL, so if that is the problem I
> will have the part handy to make the repair.
>
> Besides visually inspecting the idler to see if it uses a rubber tire or
> gear, is there another way to check? Perhaps using the serial number? I am
> kind of curious what year my unit was manufactured.
>
> I'll post back with results, thanks for all the help.
>
> -Andrew
>
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> The BX-300 utilizes a Sankyo dual capstan Direct Drive transport. The take
> up capstan is direct
> driven, the supply capstan is belt  driven. During PLAY, the takeup hub is
> driven through an idler.
> Originally, that was a rubber idler, which was later upgraded to a gear
> idler.
>
> I doubt very much your problem has to do with the supply capstan belt.
> What you describe sounds
> like a take up problem. If your deck has the rubber idler, the cause could
> be mechanical (a bad or
> glazed idler) It could also be electrical  (a bad reel motor, fault in the
> the drive electronics or simply
> incorrect torque adjustment). If your deck uses a gear idler, it's
> unlikely the problem is mechanical,
> as these idlers tend to live forever.
>
> So, don't order anything right now. First, remove the cassette back plate
> (two tiny screws on top of
> the plate) and inspect the transport. If you see the rubber idler, put the
> deck to PLAY mode (no
> cassette in the well) and hinder the takeup hub movement with the tip of a
> finger. If you observe
> slippage between the pulley and idler or idler and hub, clean all mating
> surfaces very thoroughly. If
> that doesn't do the trick, then replace the idler tire.
>
> Let us know hoe you're doing,
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* drucyphr <drucyphr at gmail.com>
> *To:* naktalk at naks.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:10 AM
> *Subject:* [naktalk] New member intro and BX-300 repair questions
>
> Hello Naks, new member here.
>
> A little about my Nak. I just received my first Nakamichi deck after doing
> a bit of research and shopping around online. I found a gently used
> one-owner BX-300. The owner thought it was in 100% working order when he
> listed it for sale, but after testing it he realized it was pulling tape. I
> talked the owner into selling it to me as a non-working unit for a decent
> price. I have worked on cassette decks before, but never on a Nakamichi.
>
> The deck powers on. You can hear a motor noise when it turns on. All the
> lights work. With a cassette in the deck, when you press play the reel
> spins for a second and then stops. With the FFwd and Rew you can hear the
> motor but the tape does not move. The tape I tested did not get pulled.
>
> I am assuming it needs new capstan belts and idler tire.
>
> Should I order a belt kit from Marrs Comm? Is the process pretty straight
> forward? Are there any resources online explaining the repair? Are there
> any other tests or repairs I should do while the unit is open?
>
> Thanks for the help.
> -Andrew
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Wed Feb  1 00:24:33 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:24:33 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] De-mag
In-Reply-To: <1328043695.75689.YahooMailClassic@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Bob -

It's fine to demagnatize decks on the same shelf as long as you are using a
wand type demagnatizer.  Just make sure you hold it at arms length away
from any of the decks as you turn it on and off.

Willy

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Guys and gals, In the past when I've de-magged heads I have always removed
> the deck from it's shelf so it's not anywhere near any other deck or tapes
> etc.  I was wondering if another deck 12 inches away from the deck to be
> de-magged is too close?
> Thanks, Bob N
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  1 01:34:52 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:34:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing
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IIRC, there is no specific position, it does go to the correct position when 

turned on the first time. But I may br wrong -- I haven't rebuilt one in a while. 


Do make sure that the cam is mechanically positioned correctly w.r.t. the 

contacts (though I don't see how this can be botched up) and that the wiring 

to the contacts and motor is correct. 


-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 2:17 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing
> 
>
>Stupid me took out of my closet my CR3A parked for about a year with cam motor failure. The Donor was in place (Mint BX1) perfectly working. I took the cam motor off the BX1 and removed as well the motor from the CR3A. I was so stupid not to take a photo BEFORE taking it apart. Now I’m kinda tired to go on in the dark about the right position. I was pretty sure it will go just by itself to where it has to stay…
>Any advice or photo of the cam in STOP at the right position will help.
>Thanks,
>Adrian
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  1 02:59:08 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:59:08 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing
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Does the CR3A have the standard transport? The motor on my 581/582 must be
different than the CR3A., and I have no idea if the following applies.
 
For the 581/582 you adjust the actual cam timing by exposing the front of
the toothed cam gear (remove the cassette backing plate and maybe the
cassette door). There are markings on the front of the gear as to the proper
position for each function (stop, play, record, pause). I don't remember
which variable resistors that you adjust, but I do remember that there is a
separate adjustable resistor for each function. If you have the manual it
will tell you which ones they are. The gotcha is that the adjustments
interact with each other. If you adjust STOP, it will affect REC and PLAY.
Then when you adjust REC or PLAY, it will also move STOP again. Bear with me
as I'm going from memory and it was about 1.5 years ago. The key is to make
tiny adjustments until you get all the functions to line up properly.
 
Once again, the above may not apply to the CR3A....
 
Good luck,
Cheryl

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Adrian Mechner
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:31 AM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing



Thanks, but you would have to a little more specific, please.

What forked extension of the motor are you talking about???

The motor has a an ending which moves a tooth wheel (which is part of the
cam). My problem is not to make the motor move the cam, but the right
timing.

Maybe my question was not very clear. Here is a more detailed question:

What would be the right timing position of the cam in "Stop" mode. The motor
moves the cam just fine, but the timing is wrong.

A photo or any trick/advice will help. 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Kaupp
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:40 AM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing

 

 

The forked extension on the cam motor (cam follower) needs to straddle the
bar in the middle of the cam.  

 

Aloha,

Cheryl

 


 

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Adrian Mechner
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 9:18 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing

Stupid me took out of my closet my CR3A parked for about a year with cam
motor failure. The Donor was in place (Mint BX1) perfectly working. I took
the cam motor off the BX1 and removed as well the motor from the CR3A. I was
so stupid not to take a photo BEFORE taking it apart. Now I'm kinda tired to
go on in the dark about the right position. I was pretty sure it will go
just by itself to where it has to stay.

Any advice or photo of the cam in STOP at the right position will help.

Thanks,

Adrian

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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Wed Feb  1 00:49:41 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:49:41 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] De-mag
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I don't think that should be a problem at all. As far as I know the magnetic field dimenishes exponentially with distance, but you could play around with the de-mag tool and a tape you don't care about and see how it is affected. I'd guess you would have to be right up against it before you would notice. Just me guessing of course, but might be interesting to try :)

Cheers,
Rainer S.
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  To: Nakamichi Nakamichi 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:01 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] De-mag


        Guys and gals, In the past when I've de-magged heads I have always removed the deck from it's shelf so it's not anywhere near any other deck or tapes etc.  I was wondering if another deck 12 inches away from the deck to be de-magged is too close?
        Thanks, Bob N 





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From adrian at mechner.net  Wed Feb  1 05:13:28 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:13:28 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP476B0614BBA21A29BBDE19F86730@phx.gbl>
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The CR3A is Sankyo not standard.

You can easily mess up the cam as soon as you displace the motor; the cam
will move freely. I even made a sign with a permanent marker as of how it
was, but as soon as I assembled it (my marker is 3mm thick) I was in the
wrong spot.

Repositioning means to start the entire process again.

If I don't get the right way on how to do it, I'll wait for a donor with
decent transport to show up

Thanks anyways and I'm still hoping for someone to disclose the trick

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Kaupp
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 5:59 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing

 

Does the CR3A have the standard transport? The motor on my 581/582 must be
different than the CR3A., and I have no idea if the following applies.

 

For the 581/582 you adjust the actual cam timing by exposing the front of
the toothed cam gear (remove the cassette backing plate and maybe the
cassette door). There are markings on the front of the gear as to the proper
position for each function (stop, play, record, pause). I don't remember
which variable resistors that you adjust, but I do remember that there is a
separate adjustable resistor for each function. If you have the manual it
will tell you which ones they are. The gotcha is that the adjustments
interact with each other. If you adjust STOP, it will affect REC and PLAY.
Then when you adjust REC or PLAY, it will also move STOP again. Bear with me
as I'm going from memory and it was about 1.5 years ago. The key is to make
tiny adjustments until you get all the functions to line up properly.

 

Once again, the above may not apply to the CR3A....

 

Good luck,

Cheryl

 

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Adrian Mechner
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:31 AM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing

Thanks, but you would have to a little more specific, please.

What forked extension of the motor are you talking about???

The motor has a an ending which moves a tooth wheel (which is part of the
cam). My problem is not to make the motor move the cam, but the right
timing.

Maybe my question was not very clear. Here is a more detailed question:

What would be the right timing position of the cam in "Stop" mode. The motor
moves the cam just fine, but the timing is wrong.

A photo or any trick/advice will help. 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Kaupp
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:40 AM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing

 

 

The forked extension on the cam motor (cam follower) needs to straddle the
bar in the middle of the cam.  

 

Aloha,

Cheryl

 


 

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Adrian Mechner
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 9:18 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing

Stupid me took out of my closet my CR3A parked for about a year with cam
motor failure. The Donor was in place (Mint BX1) perfectly working. I took
the cam motor off the BX1 and removed as well the motor from the CR3A. I was
so stupid not to take a photo BEFORE taking it apart. Now I'm kinda tired to
go on in the dark about the right position. I was pretty sure it will go
just by itself to where it has to stay.

Any advice or photo of the cam in STOP at the right position will help.

Thanks,

Adrian

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  1 15:46:23 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 06:46:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing
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The 582 uses the classic Nak transport. The CR3 uses a Sankyo 

transport, which is quite different. 


In all probablity, an error was made disassembling/reassembling 

the unit. One broken wire to a contact can play havoc with the 

transport, same for reversed motor wires, mechanically incorrect
reassembly, etc., etc., etc.. Even a failure in the drive circuitry is
possible. This is something that someone who knows what he 

(or she) is doing can locate inside of 15 minutes and that -- on a 

slow day  :-) 


BTW, any "position calibration" would be covered in the service
manual. Did the OP even look at the manual?

-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
>To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:59 PM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing
> 
>
> 
>Does the CR3A have the standard transport? The motor on my 
581/582 must be different than the CR3A., and I have no idea if the following 
applies.
> 
>For the 581/582 you adjust the actual cam timing by 
exposing the front of the toothed cam gear (remove the cassette backing plate 
and maybe the cassette door). There are markings on the front of the 
gear as to the proper position for each function (stop, play, record, 
pause). I don't remember which variable resistors that you adjust, but I do 
remember that there is a separate adjustable resistor for each function. If you 
have the manual it will tell you which ones they are. The gotcha is 
that the adjustments interact with each other. If you adjust STOP, it will 
affect REC and PLAY. Then when you adjust REC or PLAY, it will also move STOP 
again. Bear with me as I'm going from memory and it was about 1.5 years ago. The 
key is to make tiny adjustments until you get all the functions to line up 
properly.
> 
>Once again, the above may not apply to the 
CR3A....
> 
>Good luck,
>Cheryl
>
>
>________________________________
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 
[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian 
Mechner
>Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:31 AM
>To: 'Talk 
about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help with CR3A 
timing
>
>
>Thanks, but you would have to a 
little more specific, please.
>What forked extension of the 
motor are you talking about???
>The motor has a an ending which 
moves a tooth wheel (which is part of the cam). My problem is not to make the 
motor move the cam, but the right timing.
>Maybe my question was not very 
clear. Here is a more detailed question:
>What would be the right timing 
position of the cam in “Stop” mode. The motor moves the cam just fine, but the 
timing is wrong.
>A photo or any trick/advice will 
help. 
>Thanks,
>Adrian
> 
>From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp
>Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:40 
AM
>To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
>Subject: RE: 
[naktalk] Help with CR3A timing
> 
> 
>The 
forked extension on the cam motor (cam follower) needs to straddle the bar in 
the middle of the cam.  
> 
>Aloha,
>Cheryl
>                                                                                                                                                            
> 
>
>________________________________
> 
>From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 9:18 
PM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] 
Help with CR3A timing
>Stupid me took out of my closet my CR3A parked for about a 
year with cam motor failure. The Donor was in place (Mint BX1) perfectly 
working. I took the cam motor off the BX1 and removed as well the motor from the 
CR3A. I was so stupid not to take a photo BEFORE taking it apart. Now I’m kinda 
tired to go on in the dark about the right position. I was pretty sure it will 
go just by itself to where it has to stay…
>Any advice or photo of the cam in STOP at the right position 
will help.
>Thanks,
>Adrian
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From claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr  Wed Feb  1 14:56:27 2012
From: claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr (Claude BONNAFOUS)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 14:56:27 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing
Message-ID: <5E3250C2E2E04181B6911BF859288F2B@CLO2842>

Hi Adrian, if the CR3A transport -I think Sankyo type- is similar to BX300, this could help:


http://www.vintagecassette.com/naksarticle.jsp?article=77171
http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=2299&highlight=BX300

        You have to be logged in to see the photos on TH though. (I hope quoting this is not off-limits ?)

    Regards,  Claude.
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Wed Feb  1 18:46:31 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:46:31 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL P- supply
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Thank you Bala !

It was Q408, I did follow you, and replaced them all, the last  Q  
near Q 409 ,  was that one.

Where are you  living ?
Would you like something from Vienna to thank you ?

It was strange, because the Power supply did  went dead slow,
First only some time, than for "ever ".

This Deck need´s a lot of work.

First I put  all  together again, than see what is  next needed  to  
be done,

I hope   I may mail you  again.

When I did buy this Deck is was dead on right channel.

Lot´s of PP are new now, but the  play back head looks like he has a  
very small
hole !

I will see, I work slow, and clean.

Would be great to repair this ZXL!

But the 1000II looks safer to me, and it is sounding  like a working  
ZXL,

Just like a good LP, you know that.

Thank you very much !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you ever see a golden ZXL Play Back head from the ZXL limited ?

Is there something like a golden  ZXL- head
I did buy it, It will come next week.

I


kind regards

Gerhard








Am 30.01.2012 um 00:41 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:

> Hi Gerhard,
>
> Check Q405 and Q406. There is a chance these are damaged causing  
> the comparator regulator to malfunction. All other power supplies  
> are derived from this one and if this is out, all other voltages  
> will follow suit. Also, check Q409 and Q410 as well although this  
> is less replaced.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Bala
>
> From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:21 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL P- supply
>
> Dear  Naka electronics,
>
> My  ZXL- Power Supply
>
> makes  this voltage wrong , and  ( should make ).
>
> +18 Volt    (+12 Volt )
>
> - 12 Volt    (- 04 Volt )
>
> + 5 Volt      ( + 5 Volt )
>
> +0,5Volt      (+10 Volt )
>
>
> IC 401 is New, put did not help.
>
> CE cups are New, did not help.
>
> D 401 is all right.
>
>
> Does one off you have any Idea ?
>
> Thank you very much  in advance !!
>
> regards
>
>
> gerhard<ZXL supply-1.jpg>
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From adrian at mechner.net  Wed Feb  1 20:07:44 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:07:44 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing
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No error had been made other than a wrong timing. No circuitry  had been damaged and no wires have been soldered the “other way around” . Please give me credit for that!

The manual does NOT cover the timing position and YES I did take a look into that; “would be covered” is not equal to “Is covered”. I was asking for constructive help not for “wise guy” advice.

Thanks anyways,

Adrian

P.S. Please only someone who knows exactly what this is about should replay to this matter; for now the only way to fix this IS FOR SURE to disassemble and assemble as many times as it will take to find the right position. At ~5-8 min per move and 360 degrees, I’m not going to spend that much time on it. My time would be worth many times more then the price of the fixed deck. (on the other hand, I could get lucky after the next attempt)

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:46 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing

 

 

The 582 uses the classic Nak transport. The CR3 uses a Sankyo 

transport, which is quite different. 

 

In all probablity, an error was made disassembling/reassembling 

the unit. One broken wire to a contact can play havoc with the 

transport, same for reversed motor wires, mechanically incorrect

reassembly, etc., etc., etc.. Even a failure in the drive circuitry is

possible. This is something that someone who knows what he 

(or she) is doing can locate inside of 15 minutes and that -- on a 

slow day  :-) 

 

BTW, any "position calibration" would be covered in the service

manual. Did the OP even look at the manual?

 

-- Ron

 

 


  _____  


From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:59 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing

 

Does the CR3A have the standard transport? The motor on my 581/582 must be different than the CR3A., and I have no idea if the following applies.

 

For the 581/582 you adjust the actual cam timing by exposing the front of the toothed cam gear (remove the cassette backing plate and maybe the cassette door). There are markings on the front of the gear as to the proper position for each function (stop, play, record, pause). I don't remember which variable resistors that you adjust, but I do remember that there is a separate adjustable resistor for each function. If you have the manual it will tell you which ones they are. The gotcha is that the adjustments interact with each other. If you adjust STOP, it will affect REC and PLAY. Then when you adjust REC or PLAY, it will also move STOP again. Bear with me as I'm going from memory and it was about 1.5 years ago. The key is to make tiny adjustments until you get all the functions to line up properly.

 

Once again, the above may not apply to the CR3A....

 

Good luck,

Cheryl

 


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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:31 AM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing

Thanks, but you would have to a little more specific, please.

What forked extension of the motor are you talking about???

The motor has a an ending which moves a tooth wheel (which is part of the cam). My problem is not to make the motor move the cam, but the right timing.

Maybe my question was not very clear. Here is a more detailed question:

What would be the right timing position of the cam in “Stop” mode. The motor moves the cam just fine, but the timing is wrong.

A photo or any trick/advice will help. 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:40 AM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing

 

 

The forked extension on the cam motor (cam follower) needs to straddle the bar in the middle of the cam.  

 

Aloha,

Cheryl

                                                                                                                                                         &nbs p;  

 


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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 9:18 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing

Stupid me took out of my closet my CR3A parked for about a year with cam motor failure. The Donor was in place (Mint BX1) perfectly working. I took the cam motor off the BX1 and removed as well the motor from the CR3A. I was so stupid not to take a photo BEFORE taking it apart. Now I’m kinda tired to go on in the dark about the right position. I was pretty sure it will go just by itself to where it has to stay…

Any advice or photo of the cam in STOP at the right position will help.

Thanks,

Adrian


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From igotyerna at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  2 05:05:01 2012
From: igotyerna at yahoo.com (Grant Hagen)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 20:05:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing
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Adrian, 


I recently asked the same question on the Tapeheads forum on re-assembling my CR2-A. It also uses the Sankyo transport.

I was told that the cam position on re-assembly doesn't matter as the deck automatically configures the correct cam position for "stop" the first time you power up. I just made sure that the cam gear was meshed with the control motor worm gear and didn't worry about the cam position. When I turned the power on, I heard the control motor run for a second, and the light over the "stop" button was on. The deck functioned fine in all modes.

If you haven't done so already, you should clean the three mode switches with something like deoxit. It's easy to do with the motor bracket off.

All this assumes that the CR3-A works in this regard like the CR2-A! I think that it probably does, as I was following instructions meant for a CR-7A and although there were some differences, this part of the mechanism was close enough that the fix I was doing worked for the CR-2A.

Let us know how you manage!

Grant



________________________________
 From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 12:17 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing
 

Stupid me took out of my closet my CR3A parked for about a year with cam motor failure. The Donor was in place (Mint BX1) perfectly working. I took the cam motor off the BX1 and removed as well the motor from the CR3A. I was so stupid not to take a photo BEFORE taking it apart. Now I’m kinda tired to go on in the dark about the right position. I was pretty sure it will go just by itself to where it has to stay…
Any advice or photo of the cam in STOP at the right position will help.
Thanks,
Adrian
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From adrian at mechner.net  Thu Feb  2 10:42:53 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 01:42:53 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing
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Grant, 

Finally someone turns on the light… Thanks! This is exactly what I had figured in the first place since there is no mention in the service manual, WHICH I DID READ CAREFULLY.

The deck performed just fine before making the transplant, but sometimes the load did not run. I had a perfect donor and said to muself that it would be better to put a perfectly working motor instead to fix it and a few days/weeks later the same error comes up…

I cleaned the lamella switches with a wet paper with contact cleaner. I will do that one more time.

A big thanks,

Adrian

 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hagen
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 8:05 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing

 

Adrian, 

 

I recently asked the same question on the Tapeheads forum on re-assembling my CR2-A. It also uses the Sankyo transport.

 

I was told that the cam position on re-assembly doesn't matter as the deck automatically configures the correct cam position for "stop" the first time you power up. I just made sure that the cam gear was meshed with the control motor worm gear and didn't worry about the cam position. When I turned the power on, I heard the control motor run for a second, and the light over the "stop" button was on. The deck functioned fine in all modes.

 

If you haven't done so already, you should clean the three mode switches with something like deoxit. It's easy to do with the motor bracket off.

 

All this assumes that the CR3-A works in this regard like the CR2-A! I think that it probably does, as I was following instructions meant for a CR-7A and although there were some differences, this part of the mechanism was close enough that the fix I was doing worked for the CR-2A.

 

Let us know how you manage!

 

Grant

 

  _____  

From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 12:17 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing

 

Stupid me took out of my closet my CR3A parked for about a year with cam motor failure. The Donor was in place (Mint BX1) perfectly working. I took the cam motor off the BX1 and removed as well the motor from the CR3A. I was so stupid not to take a photo BEFORE taking it apart. Now I’m kinda tired to go on in the dark about the right position. I was pretty sure it will go just by itself to where it has to stay…

Any advice or photo of the cam in STOP at the right position will help.

Thanks,

Adrian


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From shoeihell at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  2 21:12:52 2012
From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 12:12:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re:Help with CR3A timing
In-Reply-To: <201202021144.q12BZ47G010024@zxe.naks.com>
References: <201202021144.q12BZ47G010024@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <1328213572.68295.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Interesting study in narcissism...your time is too valuable to work your way through this on your own. But "qualified" members only, should give you free advice on their own time to help fix your deck. You probably can't even see it that way......


________________________________

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:07:44 -0800
From: "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing
To: "'Ron'" <ronami at yahoo.com>,    "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette
    Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <003301cce114$c768ee40$563acac0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

No
 error had been made other than a wrong timing. No circuitry  had been 
damaged and no wires have been soldered the “other way around” . Please 
give me credit for that!

The manual does NOT cover the timing 
position and YES I did take a look into that; “would be covered” is not 
equal to “Is covered”. I was asking for constructive help not for “wise 
guy” advice.

Thanks anyways,

Adrian

P.S. Please 
only someone who knows exactly what this is about should replay to this 
matter; for now the only way to fix this IS FOR SURE to disassemble and 
assemble as many times as it will take to find the right position. At 
~5-8 min per move and 360 degrees, I’m not going to spend that much time
 on it. My time would be worth many times more then the price of the 
fixed deck. (on the other hand, I could get lucky after the next 
attempt)
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From adrian at mechner.net  Thu Feb  2 23:57:00 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 14:57:00 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re:Help with CR3A timing
In-Reply-To: <1328213572.68295.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <201202021144.q12BZ47G010024@zxe.naks.com>
	<1328213572.68295.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501cce1fd$f95d2b70$ec178250$@net>

Dude, 

You try to put me in sort of a bad light here and I actually don’t like that.

How about the fact that I offered to drive like 300 miles to get Wouter the CD player he asked for?

Please mind your own business and time. I have a life besides fixing a stupid deck. That’s why asked for the time saving method.

Finally I came to the conclusion  that I wasn’t that stupid in the first place and my assumption of self adjustment was right.

I also found the malfunction; it’s the IC 608 (LB1649). I did not go into checking further after taking it apart… didn’t make much sense, but after I got the PRECISE information that the cam goes to where it has to go just by itself, things were clear.

Please think twice before writing something about a person and not a device next time,

Adrian

 

Ron, thanks, but I literally coulden’t find much help in your posts. No harm taken.

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 12:13 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Re:Help with CR3A timing

 

Interesting study in narcissism...your time is too valuable to work your way through this on your own. But "qualified" members only, should give you free advice on their own time to help fix your deck. You probably can't even see it that way......

  _____  

 

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:07:44 -0800
From: "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing
To: "'Ron'" <ronami at yahoo.com>,    "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette
    Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <003301cce114$c768ee40$563acac0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

No error had been made other than a wrong timing. No circuitry  had been damaged and no wires have been soldered the “other way around” . Please give me credit for that!

The manual does NOT cover the timing position and YES I did take a look into that; “would be covered” is not equal to “Is covered”. I was asking for constructive help not for “wise guy” advice.

Thanks anyways,

Adrian

P.S. Please only someone who knows exactly what this is about should replay to this matter; for now the only way to fix this IS FOR SURE to disassemble and assemble as many times as it will take to find the right position. At ~5-8 min per move and 360 degrees, I’m not going to spend that much time on it. My time would be worth many times more then the price of the fixed deck. (on the other hand, I could get lucky after the next attempt)

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Feb  3 00:53:00 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 00:53:00 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CDP-2 schematics
Message-ID: <ebbbdd83fb5792f8529a767a2471d742.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Found a local CDP-2 (dual voltage!), so i'm a happy Nakker!

Also found the service manual on HiFiEngine but it has a useless scannes
schematic (traces unreadable). Anyone who has a readable schematic and
willing to scan? I can fix the manual then and put it on the wiki..

Wouter



From fsclaol at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  3 01:15:05 2012
From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 16:15:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Contributing Documents To The Wiki
Message-ID: <1328228105.33682.YahooMailNeo@web122507.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

How do you register / login to the Nak wiki in order to upload some scanned documents.  I've had no luck doing so.

Fred in CT
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Feb  3 11:07:05 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 11:07:05 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Contributing Documents To The Wiki
In-Reply-To: <1328228105.33682.YahooMailNeo@web122507.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1328228105.33682.YahooMailNeo@web122507.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d97d8d97efa21a405bc9d34348dade8f.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Hi Fred,

Upload to naks server is something only I can do, you can send whatever
you have to me by email and I will put it on the download server and make
the link on the wiki.
You can also put the pdf somewhere downloadable yourself and link to it on
the wiki like Luis and Scott did.

I should make a note on the wiki about this ;-)

Hope this helps otherwise feel free to ask!

Wouter

> How do you register / login to the Nak wiki in order to upload some
> scanned documents.  I've had no luck doing so.
>
> Fred in
> CT



From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Fri Feb  3 11:28:41 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 04:28:41 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 cassette well bulb
Message-ID: <009501cce25e$9a9c00a0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

Does anyone know the current draw of the ZX-9 cassette well bulb?  anyone replaced with LED and maintained the same "look"?

Thanks,
Rainer S.



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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Fri Feb  3 15:43:40 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:43:40 -0200
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Anyone CDP-2A/E?
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	<000001ccdeb3$23d29fa0$6b77dee0$@net>
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Hi everyone.

I just bought a NAK 600 and had it repaired (one channel was out of work). I was enjoying its beautiful sound when the deck just stopped responding to the PLAY, Rewind, FF commands (keys are OK and so is the rubber belt). I checked the power source into the motor and all was OK. But I stopped at the mechanical switches and didn´t figure out (maybe cause it was late at night...) how to check anything between the switches and motor itself. Any clues?

Thank you 

Rodrigo

-----Mensagem original-----
De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Adrian Mechner
Enviada em: domingo, 29 de janeiro de 2012 16:24
Para: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Assunto: RE: [naktalk] Anyone CDP-2A/E?

Wouter,
I have a really nice store in the Seattle area; they used to have the model
you asked for, not a long time ago.
Stuff comes and goes on daily basis; if you want me to, I can check more
often until one shows up, just let me know.
Here's the website to the place:
http://www.hawthornestereo.com/used/

Adrian


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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Wouter Heijke
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 10:04 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone CDP-2A/E?


Are there any members who had one of these Nak cd players?
It seems I need to adopt one :-)

Wouter

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From jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr  Fri Feb  3 17:37:48 2012
From: jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr (Jean-Jerome PREJEAN)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:37:48 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] dragon problems
Message-ID: <98B99267-D9E8-4B4E-839E-3AE2802CB4EE@orange.fr>

HI
ihave problems with my Dragon
skating smoothly while play  button swiched on
weak whistling and rewinding impossible
motors need to be replaced?


From davidfrow at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  3 23:48:55 2012
From: davidfrow at hotmail.com (David Frow)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:48:55 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Pinch roller pin for BX-300
Message-ID: <SNT140-W2240F17EEF9377298A440DBD710@phx.gbl>


Hi all, does anyone know where I can get a pinch roller pin from for my BX-300.  I bought the deck with loads of issues, I have sorted them all but lost the pin while waiting for a new take-up pinch roller.  I am in the UK.
 
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From luis at peromarta.org  Sat Feb  4 08:13:33 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 08:13:33 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Pinch roller pin for BX-300
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Message-ID: <DD197054-5AF9-4AB2-92B5-017E06DE87A0@peromarta.org>

B&W in the UK are your friends. 

+44 1903 695695

Regards. 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 03/02/2012, a las 23:48, David Frow <davidfrow at hotmail.com> escribió:

> Hi all, does anyone know where I can get a pinch roller pin from for my BX-300.  I bought the deck with loads of issues, I have sorted them all but lost the pin while waiting for a new take-up pinch roller.  I am in the UK.
>  
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  8 00:04:50 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 16:04:50 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] The Ending Story of RX-505...
Message-ID: <SNT111-W28CCF38B942CEA9B2A3DA4DB750@phx.gbl>





For the record, if some guy in the U.S.A. bought this, he paid with shipping cost, over $1,800: http://www.ebay.com/itm/290663862928?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570.l1313%26_nkw%3D290663862928%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1 		 	   		  
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From adrian at mechner.net  Wed Feb  8 08:18:31 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 23:18:31 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] The Ending Story of RX-505...
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W28CCF38B942CEA9B2A3DA4DB750@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT111-W28CCF38B942CEA9B2A3DA4DB750@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000001cce631$dd3d2660$97b77320$@net>

My two cents of wisdom on this issue:

First of all I didn't come up with any comment because it's not fair to
interfere with someone's business while the item is listed.

I would rate all negative thoughts on this listing as being similar to the
"too sour grapes which the fox couldn't reach". It was obvious that it will
sell at a price hard to be matched by many of the people in this community.
You might ask why. And I would simply say because we, here, know better.
That's a fact for those who use this gadgets on daily bases. To purchase
this model at such a price ONLY to use it like any other deck makes no
sense, period.  Anyways I was sure it will sell at a very high price because
of the condition and therefore of the collectability. I'm sure the buyer has
no intent to start using it second day it will arrive, but keep it untouched
similar to a work of art. In this case all stupid remarks about replacement
of rubber parts have no resonance at all for the buyer.

I sold my 31 years old JVC DD7 in exactly the same condition (stored in the
unopened factory box for 31 years), last June; I opened it and had it run
for a few tests (total of 30min). Nothing was wrong with it, but I must
admit it had no belts because it's a Direct Drive design. The pinch rollers
were perfect. I would ask the valued assistance how a pinchroller is any
worth in new and never used condition vs. one of the same age used for 30
years? It's not food and it doesn't rot. The belt is a different story and
now I speak out of my vast turntable experience; if a belt stays for a long
time (even one year would be enough) not moved in the same spot, it will
likely keep that form and is no longer in manufacturers specs. This can
easily be overcome if the right chemicals are used and if left to rest
unmounted for a couple of days.

Finally I want to express my congrats to the happy buyer/collector; I'm sure
he is very proud and if kept in the same condition (not used) a few years
later it will double in value.

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Exstedt
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:05 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] The Ending Story of RX-505...

 


For the record, if some guy in the U.S.A. bought this, he paid with shipping
cost, over $1,800:
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290663862928?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch
%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570.l1313%26_nkw%3D290663862928%26_saca
t%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/290663862928?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsc
h%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570.l1313%26_nkw%3D290663862928%26_sac
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From hockeyeast at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  8 14:02:47 2012
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (rich)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 05:02:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] the ending story of the rx-505...
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 Well said Adrian. 

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From tr463rsb at comcast.net  Wed Feb  8 15:07:23 2012
From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:07:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 108, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <201202081110.q18B8HOb029670@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <201202081438.q18Eb6vC030158@zxe.naks.com>

"That's a fact for those who use this gadgets on daily bases. To purchase
this model at such a price ONLY to use it like any other deck makes no
sense, period."

My 2 cents - this is a valid reason, I agree.  An anology would be the guy
who buys the Corvette, sticks it covered in his air conditioned garage and
never uses it hoping to sell for a big profit later.  But I think most here
would agree that something as wonderful as a Corvette needs to be driven, or
the driver does not appreciate what he has.   My 2 cents!

Still, I do hope you get the most you can for it.  Its great publicity for
all of us.

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Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 16:04:50 -0700
From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] The Ending Story of RX-505...
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For the record, if some guy in the U.S.A. bought this, he paid with shipping
cost, over $1,800:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290663862928?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch
%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570.l1313%26_nkw%3D290663862928%26_saca
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Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 23:18:31 -0800
From: "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Ending Story of RX-505...
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
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My two cents of wisdom on this issue:

First of all I didn't come up with any comment because it's not fair to
interfere with someone's business while the item is listed.

I would rate all negative thoughts on this listing as being similar to the
"too sour grapes which the fox couldn't reach". It was obvious that it will
sell at a price hard to be matched by many of the people in this community.
You might ask why. And I would simply say because we, here, know better.
That's a fact for those who use this gadgets on daily bases. To purchase
this model at such a price ONLY to use it like any other deck makes no
sense, period.  Anyways I was sure it will sell at a very high price because
of the condition and therefore of the collectability. I'm sure the buyer has
no intent to start using it second day it will arrive, but keep it untouched
similar to a work of art. In this case all stupid remarks about replacement
of rubber parts have no resonance at all for the buyer.

I sold my 31 years old JVC DD7 in exactly the same condition (stored in the
unopened factory box for 31 years), last June; I opened it and had it run
for a few tests (total of 30min). Nothing was wrong with it, but I must
admit it had no belts because it's a Direct Drive design. The pinch rollers
were perfect. I would ask the valued assistance how a pinchroller is any
worth in new and never used condition vs. one of the same age used for 30
years? It's not food and it doesn't rot. The belt is a different story and
now I speak out of my vast turntable experience; if a belt stays for a long
time (even one year would be enough) not moved in the same spot, it will
likely keep that form and is no longer in manufacturers specs. This can
easily be overcome if the right chemicals are used and if left to rest
unmounted for a couple of days.

Finally I want to express my congrats to the happy buyer/collector; I'm sure
he is very proud and if kept in the same condition (not used) a few years
later it will double in value.

Adrian

 

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Of Mark Exstedt
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:05 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] The Ending Story of RX-505...

 


For the record, if some guy in the U.S.A. bought this, he paid with shipping
cost, over $1,800:
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290663862928?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch
%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570.l1313%26_nkw%3D290663862928%26_saca
t%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1
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From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Wed Feb  8 15:38:55 2012
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:38:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 582 Not Working
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8Mf1yenh=mQLPxAM_8_oQOAXW_fgQayddGPQOkWo8rC6bw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008301ccdc39$6b1979a0$414c6ce0$@comcast.net>
	<CAM9V8Mf1yenh=mQLPxAM_8_oQOAXW_fgQayddGPQOkWo8rC6bw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005101cce66f$62a1a1e0$27e4e5a0$@comcast.net>

Here are a couple more observations about a non-working 582 now that the
deck is open.  When any of the play, FF or RW buttons are pressed, there is
no indication of the tape mechanism attempting to move the rollers and tape
heads.  Also, the indicator lights on each button do not activate, except
for the stop button indicator which remains steadfastly illuminated.  In
fact, there isn't as much as a flicker on the stop button indicator when any
of the other buttons are pressed.  It acts as if the button presses are not
being sensed.

 

Any thoughts about this or is the likely culprit still the cam belt, which I
have not yet tried to replace.

 

dino

 

From: Willy Hermann [mailto:willy at willyhermannservices.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:21 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 582 Not Working

 

Dino -

 

You can first replace the cam belt which will probably put the deck in
motion.  Then you can check to see if the pinch roller rocker arms are
frozen in place.  If not, the cam belt may bring it back to life.

 

Best of luck.

 

Willy

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Dean Bauer <dbauer45 at comcast.net> wrote:

To the Group;

 

I have a 582 that powers up, all the lights are functioning, the capstans
spin and when a tape is inserted, the tension mechanism works.  That however
is all it will do.  It will not fast forward, rewind, play or record.  Also,
the tape counter button is stuck in the pushed in position.  Any suggestions
to get it working again?  

 

Thanks so much for a fantastic support group.

 

dino


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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Wed Feb  8 23:07:11 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:07:11 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 582 Not Working
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For complete death check the power supply rails to verify proper voltages.
 If good then check the cam motor drive transistors.  The have been known
to fail.

Best of luck.
Willy

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Dean Bauer <dbauer45 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Here are a couple more observations about a non-working 582 now that the
> deck is open.  When any of the play, FF or RW buttons are pressed, there is
> no indication of the tape mechanism attempting to move the rollers and tape
> heads.  Also, the indicator lights on each button do not activate, except
> for the stop button indicator which remains steadfastly illuminated.  In
> fact, there isn’t as much as a flicker on the stop button indicator when
> any of the other buttons are pressed.  It acts as if the button presses are
> not being sensed.****
>
> ** **
>
> Any thoughts about this or is the likely culprit still the cam belt, which
> I have not yet tried to replace.****
>
> ** **
>
> dino****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Willy Hermann [mailto:willy at willyhermannservices.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:21 PM
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nak 582 Not Working****
>
> ** **
>
> Dino -****
>
> ** **
>
> You can first replace the cam belt which will probably put the deck in
> motion.  Then you can check to see if the pinch roller rocker arms are
> frozen in place.  If not, the cam belt may bring it back to life.****
>
> ** **
>
> Best of luck.****
>
> ** **
>
> Willy****
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Dean Bauer <dbauer45 at comcast.net> wrote:*
> ***
>
> To the Group;****
>
>  ****
>
> I have a 582 that powers up, all the lights are functioning, the capstans
> spin and when a tape is inserted, the tension mechanism works.  That
> however is all it will do.  It will not fast forward, rewind, play or
> record.  Also, the tape counter button is stuck in the pushed in position.
> Any suggestions to get it working again?  ****
>
>  ****
>
> Thanks so much for a fantastic support group.****
>
>  ****
>
> dino****
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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  8 23:29:06 2012
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:29:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Old memorex on 3 head
Message-ID: <1328740146.6627.YahooMailClassic@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I was going through some boxes and found an old Memorex chrome tape that I remember buying back in the 70's.  It says "CRO2" on the tape shell.  The pressure pad is different than normal.  It appears to be just a "block" of foam???Can these be used on 3 head Naks with the pressure pad lifters?Thanks, Bob N
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  9 15:42:10 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 06:42:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Old memorex on 3 head
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Certainly. I have a bunch of 70s Memorex CrO2 tapes. C90s and 

quite a few C120s -- got them for a song at the time. All recorded 

on Nak 700, 582 and/or CR-7. Still going strong and sounding 

good. 


-- Ron




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> From: Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com>
>To: Nakamichi Nakamichi <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 5:29 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] Old memorex on 3 head
> 
>
>I was going through some boxes and found an old Memorex chrome tape that I remember buying back in the 70's.  It says "CRO2" on the tape shell.  The pressure pad is different than normal.  It appears to be just a "block" of foam???
>Can these be used on 3 head Naks with the pressure pad lifters?
>Thanks, Bob N 
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From wbendler at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb  9 18:32:34 2012
From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:32:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Old memorex on 3 head
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Message-ID: <1328808754.57724.YahooMailClassic@web180002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Memorex had a reputation for beeing overly abrasive and leaving black goo on the heads. At least every deck I worked on that came in with a Memorex tape in it looked that way.

Warren

--- On Thu, 2/9/12, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Old memorex on 3 head
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, February 9, 2012, 9:42 AM


Certainly. I have a bunch of 70s Memorex CrO2 tapes. C90s and 
quite a few C120s -- got them for a song at the time. All recorded 
on Nak 700, 582 and/or CR-7. Still going strong and sounding 
good. 

-- Ron


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 Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 5:29 PM
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I was going through some boxes and found an old Memorex chrome tape that I remember buying back in the 70's.  It says "CRO2" on the tape shell.  The pressure pad is different than normal.  It appears to be just a "block" of foam???Can these be used on 3 head Naks with the pressure pad lifters?Thanks, Bob N
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Fri Feb 10 04:19:26 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:19:26 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Bias
Message-ID: <000a01cce7a2$cc3d9d50$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

Hello fellow Nak talkers :)
Having trouble getting my zx-9 set-up, recordings are not that great, drop outs, distortion etc.  when calibrating I need to have 400 hz level knobs turned almost all the way down and 15 kz knobs all the way up to reach cal levels. same with sx and zx tape/settings. playback sounds great!  Calibration levels seem to be right when selector set to "source" . I have aligned the playback and record heads and replaced shorted orange cap in bias oscillator (shorted while trying out deck!)  Any advice, hints or opinions greatly appreciated! :)

Thanks
Rainer S.



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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Feb 10 10:51:14 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:51:14 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] new brochures
Message-ID: <0d0ab1e4f5455629a7fadb3afa7e9bee.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

I've added 4 brochures from 1976 to the wiki pages, these were submitted
by Fred, thanks!

Enjoy,
Wouter



From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 10 15:34:51 2012
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:34:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Bias
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Message-ID: <1328884491.78549.YahooMailClassic@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Your bias Oscillator may be failing - usual Orange Cap disease probably. Check this first. Also verify the problem by erasing a metal tape. If this is not the issue, it could be due to head misalignment
good luck troubleshooting
kannan

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From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Bias
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, February 9, 2012, 10:19 PM






Hello fellow Nak talkers :)
Having trouble getting my zx-9 set-up, recordings are not that great, drop outs, distortion etc.  when calibrating I need to have 400 hz level knobs turned almost all the way down and 15 kz knobs all the way up to reach cal levels. same with sx and zx tape/settings. playback sounds great!  Calibration levels seem to be right when selector set to "source" . I have aligned the playback and record heads and replaced shorted orange cap in bias oscillator (shorted while trying out deck!)  Any advice, hints or opinions greatly appreciated! :)
 
Thanks
Rainer S.  




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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Fri Feb 10 22:50:30 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:50:30 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Bias
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Do you have a counter to verify the bias frequency?  If the wrong caps were
used the bias frequency will be wrong and you'll get that symptom.
 Otherwise, recheck the record head height and azimuth setting.  Are the
test tones correct when in the "source" mode?

Willy

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Rainer & Joy-Ell
<joyell.solie at sasktel.net>wrote:

> **
> Hello fellow Nak talkers :)
> Having trouble getting my zx-9 set-up, recordings are not that great, drop
> outs, distortion etc.  when calibrating I need to have 400 hz level knobs
> turned almost all the way down and 15 kz knobs all the way up to reach cal
> levels. same with sx and zx tape/settings. playback sounds great!
> Calibration levels seem to be right when selector set to "source" . I
> have aligned the playback and record heads and replaced shorted orange cap
> in bias oscillator (shorted while trying out deck!)  Any advice, hints or
> opinions greatly appreciated! :)
>
> Thanks
> Rainer S.
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From sem121470 at windstream.net  Sat Feb 11 05:30:39 2012
From: sem121470 at windstream.net (GlassWolf)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:30:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] DR-2 problem
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Hi,

I'm new to the list.
I have a Nak DR-2 deck.  When I purchased it, it appeared to work fine 
(2009) except the tape seemed to drag a little causing slow play/pitch 
issues on occassion (or so it seemed to my ears.)  This isn't the real 
issue though.  I took the deck out of my system for a month or two and 
left it sitting.  I recently tried to use it again only to find the 
following things:
when I press play, the L and R meters jump like it's starting to play, 
then the deck goes back to stop.  No forward motion with the capstans.  
FF and Rewind work find.  Hitting play with no tape inserted, and the 
deck door open seems to work fine (capstans spin, counter counts etc.)
Deck just won't play a tape.

any ideas?

Thanks,
Sean


From bagua_dao at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 11 09:19:16 2012
From: bagua_dao at yahoo.com (ying yang)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:19:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Chnaging the 680ZX Cassette well lamp with LED
Message-ID: <1328948356.16029.YahooMailNeo@web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

For the benefit of those who decide to change the lamp in the cassette well..
 
LED positioning inside the cradle of the 680ZX cassette well lamp 
!


This 1st photo shoes the 
normal position of the lamp. Notice the screw just below the blue wire. This is 
the one to remove and not the one on top.

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...o/P1080699.jpg


This 
2nd photo show the cradle removed after unscrewing one screw to its right. (See 
the 2 clip-on claw on each side of the cradle. Push from the right side to the 
Left to bring out the cradle then slide the cradle to the right to dislodge the 
Left claw.

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...o/P1080700.jpg


This 
3rd photo show the 2 pins of the LED soldered on the other side.

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...o/P1080703.jpg


This 
4th photo show the position of the LED with the transisitor bent almost in 
parrallel.

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...o/P1080705.jpg
 
This is the LED with resistor : 
 
 http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1080378.jpg
 
 
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1080405.jpg
 
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1080407.jpg
 
Cheers !
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From davidt124 at internode.on.net  Sat Feb 11 13:17:00 2012
From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:17:00 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 record head
Message-ID: <CB5C995B.6D45%davidt124@internode.on.net>

FYI, I have listed for sale a NEW record head for a ZX-7 etc on ebay.com.au.

Item ID is 250993577732.

David 


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From bagua_dao at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 11 15:34:01 2012
From: bagua_dao at yahoo.com (ying yang)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:34:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Chnaging the 680ZX Cassette well lamp with LED
In-Reply-To: <1328948356.16029.YahooMailNeo@web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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________________________________
 From: ying yang <bagua_dao at yahoo.com>
To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 4:19 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Chnaging the 680ZX Cassette well lamp with LED
 

For the benefit of those who decide to change the lamp in the cassette well..
 
LED positioning inside the cradle of the 680ZX cassette well lamp 
!
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...o/P1080699.jpg

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...o/P1080700.jpg

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...o/P1080703.jpg


http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...o/P1080705.jpg






This 1st photo shoes the 
normal position of the lamp. Notice the screw just below the blue wire. This is 
the one to remove and not the one on top.

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...o/P1080699.jpg


This 
2nd photo show the cradle removed after unscrewing one screw to its right. (See 
the 2 clip-on claw on each side of the cradle. Push from the right side to the 
Left to bring out the cradle then slide the cradle to the right to dislodge the 
Left claw.

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...o/P1080700.jpg


This 
3rd photo show the 2 pins of the LED soldered on the other side.

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...o/P1080703.jpg


This 
4th photo show the position of the LED with the transisitor bent almost in 
parrallel.

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...o/P1080705.jpg
 
This is the LED with resistor : 
 
 http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1080378.jpg
 
 
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1080405.jpg
 
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1080407.jpg
 
Cheers !
 
 
 

 
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 13 08:01:13 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 23:01:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 582 Not Working
In-Reply-To: <005101cce66f$62a1a1e0$27e4e5a0$@comcast.net>
References: <008301ccdc39$6b1979a0$414c6ce0$@comcast.net>
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Hi Dean, 

Check if you have a 12 volt signal coming out of pin 11 of IC401 when REW is pressed and pin 3 of IC401 when you hit FFWD. You may also want to check if the 12 volt signal changes to 0 volt at IC401 pin 12 when you press rewind and pin 1 when you press FFWD. Chances are IC 401 and IC 404 are the suspects because they are the main transport logic triggers and control everything including the lights. If the motors, indicator lights and everything else is not responding, this is the single point of failure you should be looking at. 

Bala   


________________________________
 From: Dean Bauer <dbauer45 at comcast.net>
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 12:38 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 582 Not Working
 

Here are a couple more observations about a non-working 582 now that the deck is open.  When any of the play, FF or RW buttons are pressed, there is no indication of the tape mechanism attempting to move the rollers and tape heads.  Also, the indicator lights on each button do not activate, except for the stop button indicator which remains steadfastly illuminated.  In fact, there isn’t as much as a flicker on the stop button indicator when any of the other buttons are pressed.  It acts as if the button presses are not being sensed.
 
Any thoughts about this or is the likely culprit still the cam belt, which I have not yet tried to replace.
 
dino
 
From:Willy Hermann [mailto:willy at willyhermannservices.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:21 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 582 Not Working
 
Dino -
 
You can first replace the cam belt which will probably put the deck in motion.  Then you can check to see if the pinch roller rocker arms are frozen in place.  If not, the cam belt may bring it back to life.
 
Best of luck.
 
Willy
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Dean Bauer <dbauer45 at comcast.net> wrote:
To the Group;
 
I have a 582 that powers up, all the lights are functioning, the capstans spin and when a tape is inserted, the tension mechanism works.  That however is all it will do.  It will not fast forward, rewind, play or record.  Also, the tape counter button is stuck in the pushed in position.  Any suggestions to get it working again?  
 
Thanks so much for a fantastic support group.
 
dino

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From gfuentes at mminternet.com  Mon Feb 13 19:51:37 2012
From: gfuentes at mminternet.com (Greg Fuentes)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:51:37 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <201202131117.q1DB8MXV015158@zxe.naks.com>
References: <201202131117.q1DB8MXV015158@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <4F395BB9.1090500@mminternet.com>

I'm the original owner of a CR7A, purchased in 1989.  I live in the USA

Based on the serial number, this deck should have had the gear mod and 
frequency response mods.

Never have had the deck serviced and prior to this weekend have had no 
problems with the deck.

This weekend, while I was trying to stop a tape that was playing, the 
deck malfunctioned.

When the deck has power, the following controls have their lights 
simultaneously lit:  Rewind (green), Play (green), FF (green), Fader (red).

I've tried turning the deck on and off, and the lights return to this state.

The eject button doesn't work, whether the deck is on or off.

Any easy fixes come to mind?

In addition to ESL, any other good Nak repair ventures in the U.S.?  (A 
routine service of this deck is probably long overdue.)

Thanks,

Greg


From patty at jbrudy.com  Mon Feb 13 20:34:21 2012
From: patty at jbrudy.com (Patty)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:34:21 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <4F395BB9.1090500@mminternet.com>
References: <201202131117.q1DB8MXV015158@zxe.naks.com>
	<4F395BB9.1090500@mminternet.com>
Message-ID: <56AEC84D2C07410AB94EE25C88BD4DA4@UserPC>

What part of the states are you in?


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Greg Fuentes
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:52 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working

I'm the original owner of a CR7A, purchased in 1989.  I live in the USA

Based on the serial number, this deck should have had the gear mod and 
frequency response mods.

Never have had the deck serviced and prior to this weekend have had no 
problems with the deck.

This weekend, while I was trying to stop a tape that was playing, the 
deck malfunctioned.

When the deck has power, the following controls have their lights 
simultaneously lit:  Rewind (green), Play (green), FF (green), Fader (red).

I've tried turning the deck on and off, and the lights return to this state.

The eject button doesn't work, whether the deck is on or off.

Any easy fixes come to mind?

In addition to ESL, any other good Nak repair ventures in the U.S.?  (A 
routine service of this deck is probably long overdue.)

Thanks,

Greg
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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Mon Feb 13 20:51:41 2012
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:51:41 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <4F395BB9.1090500@mminternet.com>
References: <201202131117.q1DB8MXV015158@zxe.naks.com>
	<4F395BB9.1090500@mminternet.com>
Message-ID: <004201ccea88$e7e9e8e0$b7bdbaa0$@math.utah.edu>

East, Middle or West in the US?


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Greg Fuentes
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:52 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working

I'm the original owner of a CR7A, purchased in 1989.  I live in the USA

Based on the serial number, this deck should have had the gear mod and
frequency response mods.

Never have had the deck serviced and prior to this weekend have had no
problems with the deck.

This weekend, while I was trying to stop a tape that was playing, the deck
malfunctioned.

When the deck has power, the following controls have their lights
simultaneously lit:  Rewind (green), Play (green), FF (green), Fader (red).

I've tried turning the deck on and off, and the lights return to this state.

The eject button doesn't work, whether the deck is on or off.

Any easy fixes come to mind?

In addition to ESL, any other good Nak repair ventures in the U.S.?  (A
routine service of this deck is probably long overdue.)

Thanks,

Greg
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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Mon Feb 13 21:43:06 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman Naktalk van Wijnen)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:43:06 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <4F395BB9.1090500@mminternet.com>
References: <201202131117.q1DB8MXV015158@zxe.naks.com>
	<4F395BB9.1090500@mminternet.com>
Message-ID: <000001ccea90$16fa3bb0$44eeb310$@nl>

Hi Greg,

I think you have a problem with the control motor. When this motor stops
working al the led's of the buttons are blinking.
The heads are probably inside the cassetteshell and the door won't open.
Don't force it. You have to take apart the motor or spray it with deoxide.
I have no experience with deoxide but some members here did.
If you are not a technician it's maybe better to let the pro do a repair.

Regards Norman

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Greg
Fuentes
Verzonden: maandag 13 februari 2012 19:52
Aan: naktalk at naks.com
Onderwerp: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working

I'm the original owner of a CR7A, purchased in 1989.  I live in the USA

Based on the serial number, this deck should have had the gear mod and 
frequency response mods.

Never have had the deck serviced and prior to this weekend have had no 
problems with the deck.

This weekend, while I was trying to stop a tape that was playing, the 
deck malfunctioned.

When the deck has power, the following controls have their lights 
simultaneously lit:  Rewind (green), Play (green), FF (green), Fader (red).

I've tried turning the deck on and off, and the lights return to this state.

The eject button doesn't work, whether the deck is on or off.

Any easy fixes come to mind?

In addition to ESL, any other good Nak repair ventures in the U.S.?  (A 
routine service of this deck is probably long overdue.)

Thanks,

Greg
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From adrian at mechner.net  Mon Feb 13 21:11:57 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:11:57 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <4F395BB9.1090500@mminternet.com>
References: <201202131117.q1DB8MXV015158@zxe.naks.com>
	<4F395BB9.1090500@mminternet.com>
Message-ID: <620D3DBF-6361-49B6-8A62-37153BF85D86@mechner.net>

Spray some contact cleaner into the load motor; after you do this, simply go: Play, Stop, Play, Stop for about 20 times so that the chemical does the job right.
If this won't work, you have a damage.
Adrian
On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Greg Fuentes wrote:

> I'm the original owner of a CR7A, purchased in 1989.  I live in the USA
> 
> Based on the serial number, this deck should have had the gear mod and frequency response mods.
> 
> Never have had the deck serviced and prior to this weekend have had no problems with the deck.
> 
> This weekend, while I was trying to stop a tape that was playing, the deck malfunctioned.
> 
> When the deck has power, the following controls have their lights simultaneously lit:  Rewind (green), Play (green), FF (green), Fader (red).
> 
> I've tried turning the deck on and off, and the lights return to this state.
> 
> The eject button doesn't work, whether the deck is on or off.
> 
> Any easy fixes come to mind?
> 
> In addition to ESL, any other good Nak repair ventures in the U.S.?  (A routine service of this deck is probably long overdue.)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Greg
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From itzmike2008 at embarqmail.com  Mon Feb 13 22:50:37 2012
From: itzmike2008 at embarqmail.com (Mike Russell)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:50:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <56AEC84D2C07410AB94EE25C88BD4DA4@UserPC>
Message-ID: <1255678681.23172.1329169837974.JavaMail.root@md17.embarq.synacor.com>

Im in NC. What is the serial #. If it is ove 10,000 then mods should have been done
----- Original Message -----
From: Patty <patty at jbrudy.com>
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:34:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working

What part of the states are you in?


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Greg Fuentes
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:52 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working

I'm the original owner of a CR7A, purchased in 1989.  I live in the USA

Based on the serial number, this deck should have had the gear mod and 
frequency response mods.

Never have had the deck serviced and prior to this weekend have had no 
problems with the deck.

This weekend, while I was trying to stop a tape that was playing, the 
deck malfunctioned.

When the deck has power, the following controls have their lights 
simultaneously lit:  Rewind (green), Play (green), FF (green), Fader (red).

I've tried turning the deck on and off, and the lights return to this state.

The eject button doesn't work, whether the deck is on or off.

Any easy fixes come to mind?

In addition to ESL, any other good Nak repair ventures in the U.S.?  (A 
routine service of this deck is probably long overdue.)

Thanks,

Greg
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From itzmike2008 at embarqmail.com  Tue Feb 14 00:36:53 2012
From: itzmike2008 at embarqmail.com (Mike Russell)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:36:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <1255678681.23172.1329169837974.JavaMail.root@md17.embarq.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <375533809.26718.1329176213873.JavaMail.root@md17.embarq.synacor.com>

middle part
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Russell <itzmike2008 at embarqmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:50:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working

Im in NC. What is the serial #. If it is ove 10,000 then mods should have been done
----- Original Message -----
From: Patty <patty at jbrudy.com>
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:34:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working

What part of the states are you in?


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Greg Fuentes
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:52 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working

I'm the original owner of a CR7A, purchased in 1989.  I live in the USA

Based on the serial number, this deck should have had the gear mod and 
frequency response mods.

Never have had the deck serviced and prior to this weekend have had no 
problems with the deck.

This weekend, while I was trying to stop a tape that was playing, the 
deck malfunctioned.

When the deck has power, the following controls have their lights 
simultaneously lit:  Rewind (green), Play (green), FF (green), Fader (red).

I've tried turning the deck on and off, and the lights return to this state.

The eject button doesn't work, whether the deck is on or off.

Any easy fixes come to mind?

In addition to ESL, any other good Nak repair ventures in the U.S.?  (A 
routine service of this deck is probably long overdue.)

Thanks,

Greg
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From aburkhart at unilect.com  Tue Feb 14 00:38:15 2012
From: aburkhart at unilect.com (Andrew Burkhart)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:38:15 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <004201ccea88$e7e9e8e0$b7bdbaa0$@math.utah.edu>
References: <201202131117.q1DB8MXV015158@zxe.naks.com><4F395BB9.1090500@mminternet.com>
	<004201ccea88$e7e9e8e0$b7bdbaa0$@math.utah.edu>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGPTmxfZoHhCgXQGp4Ldh1DCgAAAEAAAABRGgzY9UPpLomf7wPQqTaYBAAAAAA==@unilect.com>

Willy Hermann in the San Francisco bay area repaired my CR7A last month.  It
had blown one of the power supply rails and the reel motor needed replacing.
He also serviced/adjusted the deck to meet factory spec.  I can recommend
him.

He's on NakTalk and comments here frequently. 

Andrew Burkhart

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Victor Gabrenas
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:52 AM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working

East, Middle or West in the US?


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Greg Fuentes
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:52 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working

I'm the original owner of a CR7A, purchased in 1989.  I live in the USA

Based on the serial number, this deck should have had the gear mod and
frequency response mods.

Never have had the deck serviced and prior to this weekend have had no
problems with the deck.

This weekend, while I was trying to stop a tape that was playing, the deck
malfunctioned.

When the deck has power, the following controls have their lights
simultaneously lit:  Rewind (green), Play (green), FF (green), Fader (red).

I've tried turning the deck on and off, and the lights return to this state.

The eject button doesn't work, whether the deck is on or off.

Any easy fixes come to mind?

In addition to ESL, any other good Nak repair ventures in the U.S.?  (A
routine service of this deck is probably long overdue.)

Thanks,

Greg
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Wed Feb 15 01:41:15 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:41:15 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Bias
Message-ID: <000a01cceb7a$874909b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

Thanks for all the replys and help !  Turns out that most of the problem was that I had zip-tied the wires from the heads too tightly and they weren't allowing the head plate to move all of it's stroke. I had done all the alignment before tying the wires. The more I played around with the deck the better it got because I think the wires where loosening up, I pulled the plate down with a screwdriver and let it snap back up and the bias shot right up! I was curious though, what exactly are the vu meters showing (at cal level) when in cal mode, switched to source, stop and no tape in the deck and there is no output from oscillator?     Thanks again for all the help :)

Cheers,
Rainer 
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From hockeyeast at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 15 13:43:35 2012
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (Rich)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:43:35 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Bias (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Message-ID: <9653229D-ABA7-49D6-90E1-014F78FB1904@yahoo.com>

Just had my zx-9 worked on. This one had a same problem. Interesting.

Sent from my iPhone


From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Wed Feb 15 14:13:36 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:13:36 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Bias (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
References: <9653229D-ABA7-49D6-90E1-014F78FB1904@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601ccebe3$a0e0c390$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

Yes it is Rich, I originally was going to leave the wires loose (which is 
why I made all the adjustments without them tied) because I thought they 
might interfere with the transport plate travel, but at the last minute tied 
then as they were originally(I think) Maybe the wire has gotten stiff with 
age and the transport plate springs slightly weaker but definitely something 
to watch out for!  Got a few more grey hairs over that one! Hahaha




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rich" <hockeyeast at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 6:43 AM
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Bias (Rainer & Joy-Ell)


> Just had my zx-9 worked on. This one had a same problem. Interesting.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From igotyerna at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 16 03:09:22 2012
From: igotyerna at yahoo.com (Grant Hagen)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:09:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <000001ccea90$16fa3bb0$44eeb310$@nl>
References: <201202131117.q1DB8MXV015158@zxe.naks.com>
	<4F395BB9.1090500@mminternet.com>
	<000001ccea90$16fa3bb0$44eeb310$@nl>
Message-ID: <1329358162.8543.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Greg, you were wondering about a cheap fix? I agree with Norman and Adrian about the control motor issue.

Check out the naks wiki link at the bottom of this page and look for an article written by Andy about servicing the control motor and mode switches. If you've been a good boy this year you might be able to get by with spraying some deoxit (more than just a contact cleaner!) into the little slots in the back of the control motor and working it as Adrian suggested. Andy's tutorial has good pictures.

If that works then you know what the main problem is. And if you have more time than money, you might want to give your deck the full treatment outlined by Andy. This will address the situation better than just spraying the motor.

And if it doesn't work after spraying, you might still want to do Andy's full treatment in case that does fix it. I did this to my CR-2A and it went from not moving tape at all to working fine.

Of course, if you have more money than time, it might be worth it to you to just have a professional overhaul done. Only you know your priorities in this regard.

Best of luck, Grant





----- Original Message -----
From: Norman Naktalk van Wijnen <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl>
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working

Hi Greg,

I think you have a problem with the control motor. When this motor stops
working al the led's of the buttons are blinking.
The heads are probably inside the cassetteshell and the door won't open.
Don't force it. You have to take apart the motor or spray it with deoxide.
I have no experience with deoxide but some members here did.
If you are not a technician it's maybe better to let the pro do a repair.

Regards Norman

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Greg
Fuentes
Verzonden: maandag 13 februari 2012 19:52
Aan: naktalk at naks.com
Onderwerp: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working

I'm the original owner of a CR7A, purchased in 1989.  I live in the USA

Based on the serial number, this deck should have had the gear mod and 
frequency response mods.

Never have had the deck serviced and prior to this weekend have had no 
problems with the deck.

This weekend, while I was trying to stop a tape that was playing, the 
deck malfunctioned.

When the deck has power, the following controls have their lights 
simultaneously lit:  Rewind (green), Play (green), FF (green), Fader (red).

I've tried turning the deck on and off, and the lights return to this state.

The eject button doesn't work, whether the deck is on or off.

Any easy fixes come to mind?

In addition to ESL, any other good Nak repair ventures in the U.S.?  (A 
routine service of this deck is probably long overdue.)

Thanks,

Greg
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From adrian at mechner.net  Thu Feb 16 16:24:59 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:24:59 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <1329358162.8543.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <201202131117.q1DB8MXV015158@zxe.naks.com>
	<4F395BB9.1090500@mminternet.com>
	<000001ccea90$16fa3bb0$44eeb310$@nl>
	<1329358162.8543.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7B6918C2-A5C6-4A56-9053-3C914941845A@mechner.net>

The chaotic lightening of the buttons: "Stop", "Rew", "FF" is a service error code. It is not generated by the motor itself, but by the fact that the motor does not move and the "intelligent drive mechanism" let's you know that. I suggested the first step ONLY, in order to find out if the motor is gone for good or maintenance needs to be performed. From an engineer point of view what happens is:
The motor has some lube in the original condition; over time the lube mixes up with dust. After years in service the built up dust and lube will keep the motor from working. The light signals in place when this happens is a warning NOT to go on operating because serious damage can happen; overheating of the IC (motor controller) is one of them. As a matter of fact it can take permanent harm. It can be the IC in the first place and that's why you should perform the contact cleaner trick. The next step still to come if first step helped. But Greg needs to get back with the result first.

Adrian
  
On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Grant Hagen wrote:

> Greg, you were wondering about a cheap fix? I agree with Norman and Adrian about the control motor issue.
> 
> Check out the naks wiki link at the bottom of this page and look for an article written by Andy about servicing the control motor and mode switches. If you've been a good boy this year you might be able to get by with spraying some deoxit (more than just a contact cleaner!) into the little slots in the back of the control motor and working it as Adrian suggested. Andy's tutorial has good pictures.
> 
> If that works then you know what the main problem is. And if you have more time than money, you might want to give your deck the full treatment outlined by Andy. This will address the situation better than just spraying the motor.
> 
> And if it doesn't work after spraying, you might still want to do Andy's full treatment in case that does fix it. I did this to my CR-2A and it went from not moving tape at all to working fine.
> 
> Of course, if you have more money than time, it might be worth it to you to just have a professional overhaul done. Only you know your priorities in this regard.
> 
> Best of luck, Grant
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Norman Naktalk van Wijnen <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl>
> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 1:43 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
> 
> Hi Greg,
> 
> I think you have a problem with the control motor. When this motor stops
> working al the led's of the buttons are blinking.
> The heads are probably inside the cassetteshell and the door won't open.
> Don't force it. You have to take apart the motor or spray it with deoxide.
> I have no experience with deoxide but some members here did.
> If you are not a technician it's maybe better to let the pro do a repair.
> 
> Regards Norman
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Greg
> Fuentes
> Verzonden: maandag 13 februari 2012 19:52
> Aan: naktalk at naks.com
> Onderwerp: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
> 
> I'm the original owner of a CR7A, purchased in 1989.  I live in the USA
> 
> Based on the serial number, this deck should have had the gear mod and 
> frequency response mods.
> 
> Never have had the deck serviced and prior to this weekend have had no 
> problems with the deck.
> 
> This weekend, while I was trying to stop a tape that was playing, the 
> deck malfunctioned.
> 
> When the deck has power, the following controls have their lights 
> simultaneously lit:  Rewind (green), Play (green), FF (green), Fader (red).
> 
> I've tried turning the deck on and off, and the lights return to this state.
> 
> The eject button doesn't work, whether the deck is on or off.
> 
> Any easy fixes come to mind?
> 
> In addition to ESL, any other good Nak repair ventures in the U.S.?  (A 
> routine service of this deck is probably long overdue.)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Greg
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From fred at marrscom.com  Thu Feb 16 18:12:02 2012
From: fred at marrscom.com (fred at marrscom.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:12:02 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 2-1-2012   NEW SERVICE OFFERED BY MARRS 
Message-ID: <4F3D38E2.2@marrscom.com>

2-1-2012


NEW SERVICE OFFERED BY MARRS

( THE TRUTH )

About "step by step"



BELT REPLACEMENT INSTRUCTIONS on CASSETTE DECKS




Cassette Deck Belt Customers, are being Mislead about "step by step"

Belt Replacement instructions, by "Other" Belt Sellers.



Factory Service Manuals for all Brand, do NOT give step

by step instructions. Factory Service Manuals are intended for

use by Professional Service Centers, so step by step is not necessary.




Service Manuals Will give you "Exploded" views of the Transport, which

helps to figure out what goes where, in addition to Electrical and

Tape Head alignment instructions.



Many Belt Sellers " imply " they are furnishing you with step by step

instructions. NOT TRUE.


In response to their misleading offer, I have COPIES of Factory Service 
Manuals

for Most Brands, in PDF format. Any customer that Purchases a kit,

is eligible to purchase a Service Manual for just $12.00.

You will receive the Complete Manual, not just the exploded views !


$12.00 is Much Less than purchasing the Manual from a Manual Provider.



If your Purchase of a Kit, is predicated on Marrs having the manual for

your Brand and Model, you must email PRIOR to making your Purchase,

making sure I have your Manual, " If you feel you must have one ".




Service Manuals are provided as a "Service " by Marrs Communications.


NOTE:

I am NOT is the Manual Business !

I will NOT sell the Manual Alone !

I will NOT Make or Sell Hard Copies !




The question about replacement instructions comes up daily.


I want my Potential Customers to know, Other Belt Sellers are not being

completely truthful about what they are sending you.



Fred M.


From adrian at mechner.net  Fri Feb 17 05:23:33 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:23:33 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 2-1-2012   NEW SERVICE OFFERED BY MARRS 
In-Reply-To: <4F3D38E2.2@marrscom.com>
References: <4F3D38E2.2@marrscom.com>
Message-ID: <A39F427F-8317-489E-BB6F-A3C88CB8B537@mechner.net>

Fred,
are your $12 manuals any different from the existing ones on "Hifiengine"?
Adrian
On Feb 16, 2012, at 9:12 AM, fred at marrscom.com wrote:

> 2-1-2012
> 
> 
> NEW SERVICE OFFERED BY MARRS
> 
> ( THE TRUTH )
> 
> About "step by step"
> 
> 
> 
> BELT REPLACEMENT INSTRUCTIONS on CASSETTE DECKS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cassette Deck Belt Customers, are being Mislead about "step by step"
> 
> Belt Replacement instructions, by "Other" Belt Sellers.
> 
> 
> 
> Factory Service Manuals for all Brand, do NOT give step
> 
> by step instructions. Factory Service Manuals are intended for
> 
> use by Professional Service Centers, so step by step is not necessary.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Service Manuals Will give you "Exploded" views of the Transport, which
> 
> helps to figure out what goes where, in addition to Electrical and
> 
> Tape Head alignment instructions.
> 
> 
> 
> Many Belt Sellers " imply " they are furnishing you with step by step
> 
> instructions. NOT TRUE.
> 
> 
> In response to their misleading offer, I have COPIES of Factory Service Manuals
> 
> for Most Brands, in PDF format. Any customer that Purchases a kit,
> 
> is eligible to purchase a Service Manual for just $12.00.
> 
> You will receive the Complete Manual, not just the exploded views !
> 
> 
> $12.00 is Much Less than purchasing the Manual from a Manual Provider.
> 
> 
> 
> If your Purchase of a Kit, is predicated on Marrs having the manual for
> 
> your Brand and Model, you must email PRIOR to making your Purchase,
> 
> making sure I have your Manual, " If you feel you must have one ".
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Service Manuals are provided as a "Service " by Marrs Communications.
> 
> 
> NOTE:
> 
> I am NOT is the Manual Business !
> 
> I will NOT sell the Manual Alone !
> 
> I will NOT Make or Sell Hard Copies !
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The question about replacement instructions comes up daily.
> 
> 
> I want my Potential Customers to know, Other Belt Sellers are not being
> 
> completely truthful about what they are sending you.
> 
> 
> 
> Fred M.
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Fri Feb 17 09:17:27 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:17:27 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL Record
Message-ID: <32B59ABD-0119-4F55-BD10-88D959D3862C@gmail.com>


Dear Willy,


I did replace all PP cups in the CPU A and B, and all PP  on the  
other PCB´s.

With new PP cups same manufacture than original.

C101 to 105 ( C 2101 to 205 ) and C809 did make the relay big  
pumping, bad recording  on this ZXL.

Only PP C102 ( C202) on the main PCB near the MPX-Filter switch are  
still the old ones.


Now it is sounding great on record and playback, but it does not make  
calibration  every time .

10 cassettes , 2 times auto-calibration will be made.

The  T-100 It shows a little level change on 400Hz recording 1db. on  
left cannel only.

The high frequency recording  at  20db below are all right.

Azimuth will be set by the Deck.

tape travel  looks good. And must be good, because the problem is  
starting
after 15 sec. recording. Heads are aligned  with Naka Test tapes.

listening with 8 pcs.  Infinity Kappa 8 , this ZXL is sounding like  
a  vinyl  Record.

should I go on with replacing Low Noise and CE cups, in rec. amp. or  
in rec. eq. amp first.?

thank you for you help, Willy, and all listeners.

G


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From sem121470 at windstream.net  Thu Feb 16 19:48:56 2012
From: sem121470 at windstream.net (GlassWolf)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:48:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR-2
Message-ID: <4F3D4F98.8020403@windstream.net>

I have a DR-2 that has decided to stop working.  It seems to function 
properly when no tape is inserted into the deck (play, FF, rewind work) 
but when I put in a tape, I can only FF or rewind.  If I press play, the 
deck appears to try to play, but then defaults to the stop position.

Any ideas on trouble shooting this, or fixing it?

-Sean


From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 17 11:59:22 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:59:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] 2-1-2012   NEW SERVICE OFFERED BY MARRS 
In-Reply-To: <4F3D38E2.2@marrscom.com>
References: <4F3D38E2.2@marrscom.com>
Message-ID: <1329476362.55672.YahooMailNeo@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Fred, 

Thanks for keeping the great service going!

Bala 


________________________________
 From: "fred at marrscom.com" <fred at marrscom.com>
To: Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 3:12 AM
Subject: [naktalk] 2-1-2012   NEW SERVICE OFFERED BY MARRS 
 
2-1-2012


NEW SERVICE OFFERED BY MARRS

( THE TRUTH )

About "step by step"



BELT REPLACEMENT INSTRUCTIONS on CASSETTE DECKS




Cassette Deck Belt Customers, are being Mislead about "step by step"

Belt Replacement instructions, by "Other" Belt Sellers.



Factory Service Manuals for all Brand, do NOT give step

by step instructions. Factory Service Manuals are intended for

use by Professional Service Centers, so step by step is not necessary.




Service Manuals Will give you "Exploded" views of the Transport, which

helps to figure out what goes where, in addition to Electrical and

Tape Head alignment instructions.



Many Belt Sellers " imply " they are furnishing you with step by step

instructions. NOT TRUE.


In response to their misleading offer, I have COPIES of Factory Service Manuals

for Most Brands, in PDF format. Any customer that Purchases a kit,

is eligible to purchase a Service Manual for just $12.00.

You will receive the Complete Manual, not just the exploded views !


$12.00 is Much Less than purchasing the Manual from a Manual Provider.



If your Purchase of a Kit, is predicated on Marrs having the manual for

your Brand and Model, you must email PRIOR to making your Purchase,

making sure I have your Manual, " If you feel you must have one ".




Service Manuals are provided as a "Service " by Marrs Communications.


NOTE:

I am NOT is the Manual Business !

I will NOT sell the Manual Alone !

I will NOT Make or Sell Hard Copies !




The question about replacement instructions comes up daily.


I want my Potential Customers to know, Other Belt Sellers are not being

completely truthful about what they are sending you.



Fred M.
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 17 12:27:41 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:27:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <7B6918C2-A5C6-4A56-9053-3C914941845A@mechner.net>
References: <201202131117.q1DB8MXV015158@zxe.naks.com>
	<4F395BB9.1090500@mminternet.com>
	<000001ccea90$16fa3bb0$44eeb310$@nl>
	<1329358162.8543.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<7B6918C2-A5C6-4A56-9053-3C914941845A@mechner.net>
Message-ID: <1329478061.2315.YahooMailNeo@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Adrian, 

Wouldn't it be more of flat spots developing on the commutator ring of the motor?

Regards, 
Bala 


________________________________
 From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
To: Grant Hagen <igotyerna at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
 

The chaotic lightening of the buttons: "Stop", "Rew", "FF" is a service error code. It is not generated by the motor itself, but by the fact that the motor does not move and the "intelligent drive mechanism" let's you know that. I suggested the first step ONLY, in order to find out if the motor is gone for good or maintenance needs to be performed. From an engineer point of view what happens is:
The motor has some lube in the original condition; over time the lube mixes up with dust. After years in service the built up dust and lube will keep the motor from working. The light signals in place when this happens is a warning NOT to go on operating because serious damage can happen; overheating of the IC (motor controller) is one of them. As a matter of fact it can take permanent harm. It can be the IC in the first place and that's why you should perform the contact cleaner trick. The next step still to come if first step helped. But Greg needs to get back with the result first.

Adrian
  

On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Grant Hagen wrote:

Greg, you were wondering about a cheap fix? I agree with Norman and Adrian about the control motor issue.
>
>
>Check out the naks wiki link at the bottom of this page and look for an article written by Andy about servicing the control motor and mode switches. If you've been a good boy this year you might be able to get by with spraying some deoxit (more than just a contact cleaner!) into the little slots in the back of the control motor and working it as Adrian suggested. Andy's tutorial has good pictures.
>
>
>If that works then you know what the main problem is. And if you have more time than money, you might want to give your deck the full treatment outlined by Andy. This will address the situation better than just spraying the motor.
>
>
>And if it doesn't work after spraying, you might still want to do Andy's full treatment in case that does fix it. I did this to my CR-2A and it went from not moving tape at all to working fine.
>
>
>Of course, if you have more money than time, it might be worth it to you to just have a professional overhaul done. Only you know your priorities in this regard.
>
>
>Best of luck, Grant
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Norman Naktalk van Wijnen <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl>
>To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com>
>Cc: 
>Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 1:43 PM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
>
>Hi Greg,
>
>I think you have a problem with the control motor. When this motor stops
>working al the led's of the buttons are blinking.
>The heads are probably inside
 the cassetteshell and the door won't open.
>Don't force it. You have to take apart the motor or spray it with deoxide.
>I have no experience with deoxide but some members here did.
>If you are not a technician it's maybe better to let the pro do a repair.
>
>Regards Norman
>
>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Greg
>Fuentes
>Verzonden: maandag 13 februari 2012 19:52
>Aan: naktalk at naks.com
>Onderwerp: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
>
>I'm the original owner of a CR7A, purchased in 1989.  I live in the USA
>
>Based on the serial number, this deck should have had the gear mod and 
>frequency response mods.
>
>Never have had the deck serviced and prior to this weekend have had no 
>problems with the deck.
>
>This weekend, while I was trying to stop a tape that was playing, the 
>deck malfunctioned.
>
>When the deck has power, the following controls have their lights 
>simultaneously lit:  Rewind (green), Play (green), FF (green), Fader (red).
>
>I've tried turning the deck on and off, and the lights return to this state.
>
>The eject button doesn't work, whether the deck is on or off.
>
>Any easy fixes come to mind?
>
>In addition to ESL, any other good Nak repair ventures in the U.S.?  (A 
>routine service of this deck is probably long overdue.)
>
>Thanks,
>
>Greg
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 17 11:58:37 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:58:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL Record
In-Reply-To: <32B59ABD-0119-4F55-BD10-88D959D3862C@gmail.com>
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Hi Gerhard, 

I would suggest you change the caps in the REC EQ board because the auto-calibration system depends on that board. Do a complete cap change, and do a complete alignment on the deck. 

Regards, 
Bala  


________________________________
 From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 6:17 PM
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL Record
 


Dear Willy,


I did replace all PP cups in the CPU A and B, and all PP  on the other PCB´s.

With new PP cups same manufacture than original.

C101 to 105 ( C 2101 to 205 ) and C809 did make the relay big pumping, bad recording  on this ZXL.

Only PP C102 ( C202) on the main PCB near the MPX-Filter switch are still the old ones.


Now it is sounding great on record and playback, but it does not make calibration  every time .

10 cassettes , 2 times auto-calibration will be made.

The  T-100 It shows a little level change on 400Hz recording 1db. on left cannel only.

The high frequency recording  at  20db below are all right.

Azimuth will be set by the Deck.

tape travel  looks good. And must be good, because the problem is starting 
after 15 sec. recording. Heads are aligned  with Naka Test tapes.

listening with 8 pcs.  Infinity Kappa 8 , this ZXL is sounding like a  vinyl  Record.

should I go on with replacing Low Noise and CE cups, in rec. amp. or in rec. eq. amp first.?

thank you for you help, Willy, and all listeners.

G


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From r1seals at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 17 13:46:12 2012
From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:46:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] 2-1-2012   NEW SERVICE OFFERED BY MARRS
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Message-ID: <1329482772.90492.YahooMailClassic@web113315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

thanks Fred 
 I'll give you a call today for two kits just answer the phone area code (918) Ha
 Russ Seals 

--- On Thu, 2/16/12, fred at marrscom.com <fred at marrscom.com> wrote:

From: fred at marrscom.com <fred at marrscom.com>
Subject: [naktalk] 2-1-2012   NEW SERVICE OFFERED BY MARRS
To: "Naktalk" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2012, 11:12 AM

2-1-2012


NEW SERVICE OFFERED BY MARRS

( THE TRUTH )

About "step by step"



BELT REPLACEMENT INSTRUCTIONS on CASSETTE DECKS




Cassette Deck Belt Customers, are being Mislead about "step by step"

Belt Replacement instructions, by "Other" Belt Sellers.



Factory Service Manuals for all Brand, do NOT give step

by step instructions. Factory Service Manuals are intended for

use by Professional Service Centers, so step by step is not necessary.




Service Manuals Will give you "Exploded" views of the Transport, which

helps to figure out what goes where, in addition to Electrical and

Tape Head alignment instructions.



Many Belt Sellers " imply " they are furnishing you with step by step

instructions. NOT TRUE.


In response to their misleading offer, I have COPIES of Factory Service Manuals

for Most Brands, in PDF format. Any customer that Purchases a kit,

is eligible to purchase a Service Manual for just $12.00.

You will receive the Complete Manual, not just the exploded views !


$12.00 is Much Less than purchasing the Manual from a Manual Provider.



If your Purchase of a Kit, is predicated on Marrs having the manual for

your Brand and Model, you must email PRIOR to making your Purchase,

making sure I have your Manual, " If you feel you must have one ".




Service Manuals are provided as a "Service " by Marrs Communications.


NOTE:

I am NOT is the Manual Business !

I will NOT sell the Manual Alone !

I will NOT Make or Sell Hard Copies !




The question about replacement instructions comes up daily.


I want my Potential Customers to know, Other Belt Sellers are not being

completely truthful about what they are sending you.



Fred M.
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Fri Feb 17 15:32:47 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:32:47 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL Record
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Thanks to Bala !

I did replaced the CE and the CE low Noise cups  in the rec. eq. amp.


  I did  use    NICHICON  gold to replace low noise cups.

The ZXL did make, very fast, 35 sec,  the auto alignment.!


Thanks to Bala and willy,

One more great   Nakamichi  lives on.

Gerhard


Am 17.02.2012 um 11:58 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:

> Hi Gerhard,
>
> I would suggest you change the caps in the REC EQ board because the  
> auto-calibration system depends on that board. Do a complete cap  
> change, and do a complete alignment on the deck.
>
> Regards,
> Bala
>
> From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 6:17 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] ZXL Record
>
>
> Dear Willy,
>
>
> I did replace all PP cups in the CPU A and B, and all PP  on the  
> other PCB´s.
>
> With new PP cups same manufacture than original.
>
> C101 to 105 ( C 2101 to 205 ) and C809 did make the relay big  
> pumping, bad recording  on this ZXL.
>
> Only PP C102 ( C202) on the main PCB near the MPX-Filter switch are  
> still the old ones.
>
>
> Now it is sounding great on record and playback, but it does not  
> make calibration  every time .
>
> 10 cassettes , 2 times auto-calibration will be made.
>
> The  T-100 It shows a little level change on 400Hz recording 1db.  
> on left cannel only.
>
> The high frequency recording  at  20db below are all right.
>
> Azimuth will be set by the Deck.
>
> tape travel  looks good. And must be good, because the problem is  
> starting
> after 15 sec. recording. Heads are aligned  with Naka Test tapes.
>
> listening with 8 pcs.  Infinity Kappa 8 , this ZXL is sounding like  
> a  vinyl  Record.
>
> should I go on with replacing Low Noise and CE cups, in rec. amp.  
> or in rec. eq. amp first.?
>
> thank you for you help, Willy, and all listeners.
>
> G
>
>
>
>
>
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From luis at peromarta.org  Fri Feb 17 16:29:50 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:29:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL Record
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Yeah I would make sure the mech alignment is good before continuing. 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 17/02/2012, a las 05:58, Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> escribió:

> Hi Gerhard, 
> 
> I would suggest you change the caps in the REC EQ board because the auto-calibration system depends on that board. Do a complete cap change, and do a complete alignment on the deck. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Bala  
> 
> From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 6:17 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] ZXL Record
> 
> 
> Dear Willy,
> 
> 
> I did replace all PP cups in the CPU A and B, and all PP  on the other PCB´s.
> 
> With new PP cups same manufacture than original.
> 
> C101 to 105 ( C 2101 to 205 ) and C809 did make the relay big pumping, bad recording  on this ZXL.
> 
> Only PP C102 ( C202) on the main PCB near the MPX-Filter switch are still the old ones.
> 
> 
> Now it is sounding great on record and playback, but it does not make calibration  every time .
> 
> 10 cassettes , 2 times auto-calibration will be made.
> 
> The  T-100 It shows a little level change on 400Hz recording 1db. on left cannel only.
> 
> The high frequency recording  at  20db below are all right.
> 
> Azimuth will be set by the Deck.
> 
> tape travel  looks good. And must be good, because the problem is starting 
> after 15 sec. recording. Heads are aligned  with Naka Test tapes.
> 
> listening with 8 pcs.  Infinity Kappa 8 , this ZXL is sounding like a  vinyl  Record.
> 
> should I go on with replacing Low Noise and CE cups, in rec. amp. or in rec. eq. amp first.?
> 
> thank you for you help, Willy, and all listeners.
> 
> G
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 17 16:45:10 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 07:45:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <DF2A0ED4-6337-490F-A679-E79704BDA7D2@mechner.net>
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Given the age of the motors, it would be  preventative to replace the motors. The lube would get it going but I replaced the motors on both my CR-7s the first time I faced this issue. The motors didn't lend too well to being taken apart. Because they are engineered to only go so far and last so long, replacement seems to be the best way forward here. 

I remember an interesting conversation with someone who said that this is not the right application for these motors from Mabuchi. But given that stepper drivers at that time were nowhere as reliable, compact and advanced as they are now, any implementation would have been definitely more complex. The solution we see in these decks it simple and works reliably - again as I have many times said on this forum, Nakamichi would have never envisioned their machines still being worked on 25 years later. 

Bala 


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 From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
 

This is why the simple test I described will let you know if further harm had been taken and other steps need to be considered. You can ask around only to find out how MANY people solved this issue this way.
Simple american engineer school: Never eliminate the simple solutions and second: be productive, look for the most efficient solutions!
Have a good one,
Adrian

On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:27 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote:

Hi Adrian, 
>
>
>Wouldn't it be more of flat spots developing on the commutator ring of the motor?
>
>
>Regards, 
>Bala 
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
>To: Grant Hagen <igotyerna at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 1:24 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
> 
>
>The chaotic lightening of the buttons: "Stop", "Rew", "FF" is a service error code. It is not generated by the motor itself, but by the fact that the motor does not move and the "intelligent drive mechanism" let's you know that. I suggested the first step ONLY, in order to find out if the motor is gone for good or maintenance needs to be performed. From an engineer point of view what happens is:
>The motor has some lube in the original condition; over time the lube mixes up with dust. After years in service the built up dust and lube will keep the motor from working. The light signals in place when this happens is a warning NOT to go on operating because serious damage can happen; overheating of the IC (motor controller) is one of them. As a matter of fact it can take permanent harm. It can be the IC in the first place and that's why you should perform the contact cleaner trick. The next step still to come if first step helped. But Greg needs to get back with the result first.
>
>
>Adrian
>  
>
>On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Grant Hagen wrote:
>
>Greg, you were wondering about a cheap fix? I agree with Norman and Adrian about the control motor issue.
>>
>>
>>Check out the naks wiki link at the bottom of this page and look for an article written by Andy about servicing the control motor and mode switches. If you've been a good boy this year you might be able to get by with spraying some deoxit (more than just a contact cleaner!) into the little slots in the back of the control motor and working it as Adrian suggested. Andy's tutorial has good pictures.
>>
>>
>>If that works then you know what the main problem is. And if you have more time than money, you might want to give your deck the full treatment outlined by Andy. This will address the situation better than just spraying the motor.
>>
>>
>>And if it doesn't work after spraying, you might still want to do Andy's full treatment in case that does fix it. I did this to my CR-2A and it went from not moving tape at all to working fine.
>>
>>
>>Of course, if you have more money than time, it might be worth it to you to just have a professional overhaul done. Only you know your priorities in this regard.
>>
>>
>>Best of luck, Grant
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Norman Naktalk van Wijnen <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl>
>>To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Cc: 
>>Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 1:43 PM
>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A
 Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
>>
>>Hi Greg,
>>
>>I think you have a problem with the control motor. When this motor stops
>>working al the led's of the buttons are blinking.
>>The heads are probably inside
 the cassetteshell and the door won't open.
>>Don't force it. You have to take apart the motor or spray it with deoxide.
>>I have no experience with deoxide but some members here did.
>>If you are not a technician it's maybe better to let the pro do a repair.
>>
>>Regards Norman
>>
>>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Greg
>>Fuentes
>>Verzonden: maandag 13 februari 2012 19:52
>>Aan: naktalk at naks.com
>>Onderwerp: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
>>
>>I'm the original owner of a CR7A, purchased in 1989.  I
 live in the USA
>>
>>Based on the serial number, this deck should have had the gear mod and 
>>frequency response mods.
>>
>>Never have had the deck serviced and prior to this weekend have had no 
>>problems with the deck.
>>
>>This weekend, while I was trying to stop a tape that was playing, the 
>>deck malfunctioned.
>>
>>When the deck has power, the following controls have their lights 
>>simultaneously lit:  Rewind (green), Play (green), FF (green), Fader (red).
>>
>>I've tried turning the deck on and off, and the lights return to this state.
>>
>>The eject button doesn't work, whether the deck is on or off.
>>
>>Any easy fixes come to mind?
>>
>>In addition to ESL, any other good Nak repair ventures in the U.S.?  (A 
>>routine service of this deck is probably long overdue.)
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Greg
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 17 16:46:26 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 07:46:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL Record
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There you go Gerhard! Now enjoy your weekend with great music and beautiful meters! 


Bala 


________________________________
 From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL Record
 

Thanks to Bala !

I did replaced the CE and the CE low Noise cups  in the rec. eq. amp.


 I did  use    NICHICON  gold to replace low noise cups.

The ZXL did make, very fast, 35 sec,  the auto alignment.!


Thanks to Bala and willy,

One more great   Nakamichi  lives on.

Gerhard


Am 17.02.2012 um 11:58 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:

Hi Gerhard, 
>
>
>I would suggest you change the caps in the REC EQ board because the auto-calibration system depends on that board. Do a complete cap change, and do a complete alignment on the deck. 
>
>
>Regards, 
>Bala  
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 6:17 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] ZXL Record
> 
>
>
>Dear Willy,
>
>
>
>
>I did replace all PP cups in the CPU A and B, and all PP  on the other PCB´s.
>
>
>With new PP cups same manufacture than original.
>
>
>C101 to 105 ( C 2101 to 205 ) and C809 did make the relay big pumping, bad recording  on this ZXL.
>
>
>Only PP C102 ( C202) on the main PCB near the MPX-Filter switch are still the old ones.
>
>
>
>
>Now it is sounding great on record and playback, but it does not make calibration  every time .
>
>
>10 cassettes , 2 times auto-calibration will be made.
>
>
>The  T-100 It shows a little level change on 400Hz recording 1db. on left cannel only.
>
>
>The high frequency recording  at  20db below are all right.
>
>
>Azimuth will be set by the Deck.
>
>
>tape travel  looks good. And must be good, because the problem is starting 
>after 15 sec. recording. Heads are aligned  with Naka Test tapes.
>
>
>listening with 8 pcs.  Infinity Kappa 8 , this ZXL is sounding like a  vinyl  Record.
>
>
>should I go on with replacing Low Noise and CE cups, in rec. amp. or in rec. eq. amp first.?
>
>
>thank you for you help, Willy, and all listeners.
>
>
>G
>
>
>
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Fri Feb 17 17:28:02 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:28:02 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL Record
In-Reply-To: <32B59ABD-0119-4F55-BD10-88D959D3862C@gmail.com>
References: <32B59ABD-0119-4F55-BD10-88D959D3862C@gmail.com>
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Are you sure the auto azimuth is working correctly?  If the azimuth is off
you'll get that symptom.  Otherwise, with an oscilliscope watch the
oscillator output as the deck is in auto cal mode to see what it's doing.
 My guess is one of the frequencies is way off.

Willy

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Gerhard Wartha
<gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Dear Willy,
>
>
> I did replace all PP cups in the CPU A and B, and all PP  on the other
> PCB´s.
>
> With new PP cups same manufacture than original.
>
> C101 to 105 ( C 2101 to 205 ) and C809 did make the relay big pumping, bad
> recording  on this ZXL.
>
> *Only PP C102 ( C202) on the main PCB near the MPX-Filter switch are
> still the old ones.*
>
>
> Now it is sounding great on record and playback, but it does not make
> calibration  every time .
>
> 10 cassettes , 2 times auto-calibration will be made.
>
> The  T-100 It shows a little level change on 400Hz recording 1db. on left
> cannel only.
>
> The high frequency recording  at  20db below are all right.
>
> Azimuth will be set by the Deck.
>
> tape travel  looks good. And must be good, because the problem is starting
> after 15 sec. recording. Heads are aligned  with Naka Test tapes.
>
> listening with 8 pcs.  Infinity Kappa 8 , this ZXL is sounding like a
>  vinyl  Record.
>
> should I go on with replacing Low Noise and CE cups, in rec. amp. or in
> rec. eq. amp first.?
>
> thank you for you help, Willy, and all listeners.
>
> G
>
>
>
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 17 20:22:47 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:22:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
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Age of control motors in Sankyo transports notwithstanding, I find that 

rebuilding these motors is successful almost 100% of the time. After
rebuild, the motors run well and are trouble free for quite some time.

-- Ron





>________________________________
> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
>To: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> 
>Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:45 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
> 
>
>Given the age of the motors, it would be  preventative to replace the motors. The lube would get it going but I replaced the motors on both my CR-7s the first time I faced this issue. The motors didn't lend too well to being taken apart. Because they are engineered to only go so far and last so long, replacement seems to be the best way forward here. 
>
>
>I remember an interesting conversation with someone who said that this is not the right application for these motors from Mabuchi. But given that stepper drivers at that time were nowhere as reliable, compact and advanced as they are now, any implementation would have been definitely more complex. The solution we see in these decks it simple and works reliably - again as I have many times said on this forum, Nakamichi would have never envisioned their machines still being worked on 25 years later. 
>
>
>Bala 
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
>To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
> 
>
>This is why the simple test I described will let you know if further harm had been taken and other steps need to be considered. You can ask around only to find out how MANY people solved this issue this way.
>Simple american engineer school: Never eliminate the simple solutions and second: be productive, look for the most efficient solutions!
>Have a good one,
>Adrian
>
>On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:27 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote:
>
>Hi Adrian, 
>>
>>
>>Wouldn't it be more of flat spots developing on the commutator ring of the motor?
>>
>>
>>Regards, 
>>Bala 
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
>>To: Grant Hagen <igotyerna at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>>Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 1:24 AM
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
>> 
>>
>>The chaotic lightening of the buttons: "Stop", "Rew", "FF" is a service error code. It is not generated by the motor itself, but by the fact that the motor does not move and the "intelligent drive mechanism" let's you know that. I suggested the first step ONLY, in order to find out if the motor is gone for good or maintenance needs to be performed. From an engineer point of view what happens is:
>>The motor has some lube in the original condition; over time the lube mixes up with dust. After years in service the built up dust and lube will keep the motor from working. The light signals in place when this happens is a warning NOT to go on operating because serious damage can happen; overheating of the IC (motor controller) is one of them. As a matter of fact it can take permanent harm. It can be the IC in the first place and that's why you should perform the contact cleaner trick. The next step still to come if first step helped. But Greg needs to get back with the result first.
>>
>>
>>Adrian
>>  
>>
>>On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Grant Hagen wrote:
>>
>>Greg, you were wondering about a cheap fix? I agree with Norman and Adrian about the control motor issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>Check out the naks wiki link at the bottom of this page and look for an article written by Andy about servicing the control motor and mode switches. If you've been a good boy this year you might be able to get by with spraying some deoxit (more than just a contact cleaner!) into the little slots in the back of the control motor and working it as Adrian suggested. Andy's tutorial has good pictures.
>>>
>>>
>>>If that works then you know what the main problem is. And if you have more time than money, you might want to give your deck the full treatment outlined by Andy. This will address the situation better than just spraying the motor.
>>>
>>>
>>>And if it doesn't work after spraying, you might still want to do Andy's full treatment in case that does fix it. I did this to my CR-2A and it went from not moving tape at all to working fine.
>>>
>>>
>>>Of course, if you have more money than time, it might be worth it to you to just have a professional overhaul done. Only you know your priorities in this regard.
>>>
>>>
>>>Best of luck, Grant
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Norman Naktalk van Wijnen <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl>
>>>To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>Cc: 
>>>Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 1:43 PM
>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A
 Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
>>>
>>>Hi Greg,
>>>
>>>I think you have a problem with the control motor. When this motor stops
>>>working al the led's of the buttons are blinking.
>>>The heads are probably inside
 the cassetteshell and the door won't open.
>>>Don't force it. You have to take apart the motor or spray it with deoxide.
>>>I have no experience with deoxide but some members here did.
>>>If you are not a technician it's maybe better to let the pro do a repair.
>>>
>>>Regards Norman
>>>
>>>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>>Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Greg
>>>Fuentes
>>>Verzonden: maandag 13 februari 2012 19:52
>>>Aan: naktalk at naks.com
>>>Onderwerp: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
>>>
>>>I'm the original owner of a CR7A, purchased in 1989.  I
 live in the USA
>>>
>>>Based on the serial number, this deck should have had the gear mod and 
>>>frequency response mods.
>>>
>>>Never have had the deck serviced and prior to this weekend have had no 
>>>problems with the deck.
>>>
>>>This weekend, while I was trying to stop a tape that was playing, the 
>>>deck malfunctioned.
>>>
>>>When the deck has power, the following controls have their lights 
>>>simultaneously lit:  Rewind (green), Play (green), FF (green), Fader (red).
>>>
>>>I've tried turning the deck on and off, and the lights return to this state.
>>>
>>>The eject button doesn't work, whether the deck is on or off.
>>>
>>>Any easy fixes come to mind?
>>>
>>>In addition to ESL, any other good Nak repair ventures in the U.S.?  (A 
>>>routine service of this deck is probably long overdue.)
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Greg
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 18 01:05:09 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:05:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL Record
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8MdxcHe1E1JQHj4NaYFRg3gtd8vMkLM380-TteP-tj5waw@mail.gmail.com>
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He did mention that the calibration was stuck predominantly in EQ mode. Also, because azimuth on Nakamichi decks work with lower frequency, that will pass so long as the electronics and tape path alignment is good. 

Bala 


________________________________
 From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL Record
 

Are you sure the auto azimuth is working correctly?  If the azimuth is off you'll get that symptom.  Otherwise, with an oscilliscope watch the oscillator output as the deck is in auto cal mode to see what it's doing.  My guess is one of the frequencies is way off.

Willy


On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:


>Dear Willy,
>
>
>
>
>I did replace all PP cups in the CPU A and B, and all PP  on the other PCB´s.
>
>
>With new PP cups same manufacture than original.
>
>
>C101 to 105 ( C 2101 to 205 ) and C809 did make the relay big pumping, bad recording  on this ZXL.
>
>
>Only PP C102 ( C202) on the main PCB near the MPX-Filter switch are still the old ones.
>
>
>
>
>Now it is sounding great on record and playback, but it does not make calibration  every time .
>
>
>10 cassettes , 2 times auto-calibration will be made.
>
>
>The  T-100 It shows a little level change on 400Hz recording 1db. on left cannel only.
>
>
>The high frequency recording  at  20db below are all right.
>
>
>Azimuth will be set by the Deck.
>
>
>tape travel  looks good. And must be good, because the problem is starting 
>after 15 sec. recording. Heads are aligned  with Naka Test tapes.
>
>
>listening with 8 pcs.  Infinity Kappa 8 , this ZXL is sounding like a  vinyl  Record.
>
>
>should I go on with replacing Low Noise and CE cups, in rec. amp. or in rec. eq. amp first.?
>
>
>thank you for you help, Willy, and all listeners.
>
>G
>
>
>
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 18 01:16:54 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:16:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
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AC motors are something worth rebuilding because most of them are contact less and with new bearings and alignment, they can deliver years of service. DC motors different.  The commutator 'blocks' in the motors would have worn out somewhat and re tensioning the leaf springs only helps this far. You can't replace the contact wear and tear parts. And then you can't be sure of a good alignment that would ensure smooth and long term running. I would rather replace and just forget about it for the next 25 years. 

The Mabuchi motor is ubiquitous in quite a number of laser disc and cd players where its used for laser pickup travel. The motors I used came from Pioneer laser assemblies which then worked perfectly on the CR-7s. 

Bala


________________________________
 From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
 



Age of control motors in Sankyo transports notwithstanding, I find that 

rebuilding these motors is successful almost 100% of the time. After
rebuild, the motors run well and are trouble free for quite some time.

-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
>To: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> 
>Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:45 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
> 
>
>Given the age of the motors, it would be  preventative to replace the motors. The lube would get it going but I replaced the motors on both my CR-7s the first time I faced this issue. The motors didn't lend too well to being taken apart. Because they are engineered to only go so far and last so long, replacement seems to be the best way forward here. 
>
>
>I remember an interesting conversation with someone who said that this is not the right application for these motors from Mabuchi. But given that stepper drivers at that time were nowhere as reliable, compact and advanced as they are now, any implementation would have been definitely more complex. The solution we see in these decks it simple and works reliably - again as I have many times said on this forum, Nakamichi would have never envisioned their machines still being worked on 25 years later. 
>
>
>Bala 
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
>To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
> 
>
>This is why the simple test I described will let you know if further harm had been taken and other steps need to be considered. You can ask around only to find out how MANY people solved this issue this way.
>Simple american engineer school: Never eliminate the simple solutions and second: be productive, look for the most efficient solutions!
>Have a good one,
>Adrian
>
>On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:27 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote:
>
>Hi Adrian, 
>>
>>
>>Wouldn't it be more of flat spots developing on the commutator ring of the motor?
>>
>>
>>Regards, 
>>Bala 
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
>>To: Grant Hagen <igotyerna at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>>Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 1:24 AM
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
>> 
>>
>>The chaotic lightening of the buttons: "Stop", "Rew", "FF" is a service error code. It is not generated by the motor itself, but by the fact that the motor does not move and the "intelligent drive mechanism" let's you know that. I suggested the first step ONLY, in order to find out if the motor is gone for good or maintenance needs to be performed. From an engineer point of view what happens is:
>>The motor has some lube in the original condition; over time the lube mixes up with dust. After years in service the built up dust and lube will keep the motor from working. The light signals in place when this happens is a warning NOT to go on operating because serious damage can happen; overheating of the IC (motor controller) is one of them. As a matter of fact it can take permanent harm. It can be the IC in the first place and that's why you should perform the contact cleaner trick. The next step still to come if first step helped. But Greg needs to get back with the result first.
>>
>>
>>Adrian
>>  
>>
>>On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Grant Hagen wrote:
>>
>>Greg, you were wondering about a cheap fix? I agree with Norman and Adrian about the control motor issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>Check out the naks wiki link at the bottom of this page and look for an article written by Andy about servicing the control motor and mode switches. If you've been a good boy this year you might be able to get by with spraying some deoxit (more than just a contact cleaner!) into the little slots in the back of the control motor and working it as Adrian suggested. Andy's tutorial has good pictures.
>>>
>>>
>>>If that works then you know what the main problem is. And if you have more time than money, you might want to give your deck the full treatment outlined by Andy. This will address the situation better than just spraying the motor.
>>>
>>>
>>>And if it doesn't work after spraying, you might still want to do Andy's full treatment in case that does fix it. I did this to my CR-2A and it went from not moving tape at all to working fine.
>>>
>>>
>>>Of course, if you have more money than time, it might be worth it to you to just have a professional overhaul done. Only you know your priorities in this regard.
>>>
>>>
>>>Best of luck, Grant
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Norman Naktalk van Wijnen <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl>
>>>To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>Cc: 
>>>Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 1:43 PM
>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A
 Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
>>>
>>>Hi Greg,
>>>
>>>I think you have a problem with the control motor. When this motor stops
>>>working al the led's of the buttons are blinking.
>>>The heads are probably inside
 the cassetteshell and the door won't open.
>>>Don't force it. You have to take apart the motor or spray it with deoxide.
>>>I have no experience with deoxide but some members here did.
>>>If you are not a technician it's maybe better to let the pro do a repair.
>>>
>>>Regards Norman
>>>
>>>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>>Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Greg
>>>Fuentes
>>>Verzonden: maandag 13 februari 2012 19:52
>>>Aan: naktalk at naks.com
>>>Onderwerp: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
>>>
>>>I'm the original owner of a CR7A, purchased in 1989.  I
 live in the USA
>>>
>>>Based on the serial number, this deck should have had the gear mod and 
>>>frequency response mods.
>>>
>>>Never have had the deck serviced and prior to this weekend have had no 
>>>problems with the deck.
>>>
>>>This weekend, while I was trying to stop a tape that was playing, the 
>>>deck malfunctioned.
>>>
>>>When the deck has power, the following controls have their lights 
>>>simultaneously lit:  Rewind (green), Play (green), FF (green), Fader (red).
>>>
>>>I've tried turning the deck on and off, and the lights return to this state.
>>>
>>>The eject button doesn't work, whether the deck is on or off.
>>>
>>>Any easy fixes come to mind?
>>>
>>>In addition to ESL, any other good Nak repair ventures in the U.S.?  (A 
>>>routine service of this deck is probably long overdue.)
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Greg
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From adrian at mechner.net  Fri Feb 17 16:16:18 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 07:16:18 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
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This is why the simple test I described will let you know if further harm had been taken and other steps need to be considered. You can ask around only to find out how MANY people solved this issue this way.
Simple american engineer school: Never eliminate the simple solutions and second: be productive, look for the most efficient solutions!
Have a good one,
Adrian
On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:27 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote:

> Hi Adrian, 
> 
> Wouldn't it be more of flat spots developing on the commutator ring of the motor?
> 
> Regards, 
> Bala 
> 
> From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
> To: Grant Hagen <igotyerna at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 1:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
> 
> The chaotic lightening of the buttons: "Stop", "Rew", "FF" is a service error code. It is not generated by the motor itself, but by the fact that the motor does not move and the "intelligent drive mechanism" let's you know that. I suggested the first step ONLY, in order to find out if the motor is gone for good or maintenance needs to be performed. From an engineer point of view what happens is:
> The motor has some lube in the original condition; over time the lube mixes up with dust. After years in service the built up dust and lube will keep the motor from working. The light signals in place when this happens is a warning NOT to go on operating because serious damage can happen; overheating of the IC (motor controller) is one of them. As a matter of fact it can take permanent harm. It can be the IC in the first place and that's why you should perform the contact cleaner trick. The next step still to come if first step helped. But Greg needs to get back with the result first.
> 
> Adrian
>   
> On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Grant Hagen wrote:
> 
>> Greg, you were wondering about a cheap fix? I agree with Norman and Adrian about the control motor issue.
>> 
>> Check out the naks wiki link at the bottom of this page and look for an article written by Andy about servicing the control motor and mode switches. If you've been a good boy this year you might be able to get by with spraying some deoxit (more than just a contact cleaner!) into the little slots in the back of the control motor and working it as Adrian suggested. Andy's tutorial has good pictures.
>> 
>> If that works then you know what the main problem is. And if you have more time than money, you might want to give your deck the full treatment outlined by Andy. This will address the situation better than just spraying the motor.
>> 
>> And if it doesn't work after spraying, you might still want to do Andy's full treatment in case that does fix it. I did this to my CR-2A and it went from not moving tape at all to working fine.
>> 
>> Of course, if you have more money than time, it might be worth it to you to just have a professional overhaul done. Only you know your priorities in this regard.
>> 
>> Best of luck, Grant
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Norman Naktalk van Wijnen <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl>
>> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Cc: 
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 1:43 PM
>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
>> 
>> Hi Greg,
>> 
>> I think you have a problem with the control motor. When this motor stops
>> working al the led's of the buttons are blinking.
>> The heads are probably inside the cassetteshell and the door won't open.
>> Don't force it. You have to take apart the motor or spray it with deoxide.
>> I have no experience with deoxide but some members here did.
>> If you are not a technician it's maybe better to let the pro do a repair.
>> 
>> Regards Norman
>> 
>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Greg
>> Fuentes
>> Verzonden: maandag 13 februari 2012 19:52
>> Aan: naktalk at naks.com
>> Onderwerp: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR7A Drive Controls Have Stopped Working
>> 
>> I'm the original owner of a CR7A, purchased in 1989.  I live in the USA
>> 
>> Based on the serial number, this deck should have had the gear mod and 
>> frequency response mods.
>> 
>> Never have had the deck serviced and prior to this weekend have had no 
>> problems with the deck.
>> 
>> This weekend, while I was trying to stop a tape that was playing, the 
>> deck malfunctioned.
>> 
>> When the deck has power, the following controls have their lights 
>> simultaneously lit:  Rewind (green), Play (green), FF (green), Fader (red).
>> 
>> I've tried turning the deck on and off, and the lights return to this state.
>> 
>> The eject button doesn't work, whether the deck is on or off.
>> 
>> Any easy fixes come to mind?
>> 
>> In addition to ESL, any other good Nak repair ventures in the U.S.?  (A 
>> routine service of this deck is probably long overdue.)
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Greg
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From hockeyeast at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 18 04:10:50 2012
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (Rich)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:10:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Capstan washers 
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>  hello all,
I am looking for washers for the Capstans for my zx-9. I was wondering if you had any suggestions. There are 2 for each Capstan.
There are 4 total, 2 larger OD translucent ones and 2 smaller black ones. Thanks ... Rich

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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Sat Feb 18 19:44:34 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:44:34 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL Record
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Hi Bala,

This ZXL does the  calibration still  from time to time only

All CE and PP in eq. rec. amp are New.

It does make perfect recordings from  400 HZ to 20kHz on the T-100.-


My next step will be to replace the CE cups in the CPU-B.

Because the problem has depend not on the tape.

I looks like the CPU does not have enough energy to do the  tape  
calibration, most of the trails.

Any other Idea ?

THANK YOU .


Gerhard


It  ist just a matter of



Am 18.02.2012 um 01:05 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:

> He did mention that the calibration was stuck predominantly in EQ  
> mode. Also, because azimuth on Nakamichi decks work with lower  
> frequency, that will pass so long as the electronics and tape path  
> alignment is good.
>
> Bala
>
> From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL Record
>
> Are you sure the auto azimuth is working correctly?  If the azimuth  
> is off you'll get that symptom.  Otherwise, with an oscilliscope  
> watch the oscillator output as the deck is in auto cal mode to see  
> what it's doing.  My guess is one of the frequencies is way off.
>
> Willy
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Gerhard Wartha  
> <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Willy,
>
>
> I did replace all PP cups in the CPU A and B, and all PP  on the  
> other PCB´s.
>
> With new PP cups same manufacture than original.
>
> C101 to 105 ( C 2101 to 205 ) and C809 did make the relay big  
> pumping, bad recording  on this ZXL.
>
> Only PP C102 ( C202) on the main PCB near the MPX-Filter switch are  
> still the old ones.
>
>
> Now it is sounding great on record and playback, but it does not  
> make calibration  every time .
>
> 10 cassettes , 2 times auto-calibration will be made.
>
> The  T-100 It shows a little level change on 400Hz recording 1db.  
> on left cannel only.
>
> The high frequency recording  at  20db below are all right.
>
> Azimuth will be set by the Deck.
>
> tape travel  looks good. And must be good, because the problem is  
> starting
> after 15 sec. recording. Heads are aligned  with Naka Test tapes.
>
> listening with 8 pcs.  Infinity Kappa 8 , this ZXL is sounding like  
> a  vinyl  Record.
>
> should I go on with replacing Low Noise and CE cups, in rec. amp.  
> or in rec. eq. amp first.?
>
> thank you for you help, Willy, and all listeners.
>
> G
>
>
>
>
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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 18 18:03:02 2012
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:03:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR-2
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Are the capstans turning?

--- On Thu, 2/16/12, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net> wrote:

From: GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR-2
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2012, 10:48 AM

I have a DR-2 that has decided to stop working.  It seems to function properly when no tape is inserted into the deck (play, FF, rewind work) but when I put in a tape, I can only FF or rewind.  If I press play, the deck appears to try to play, but then defaults to the stop position.

Any ideas on trouble shooting this, or fixing it?

-Sean
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 19 00:32:08 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:32:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL Record
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Hi Gerhard, 

The CPU B board caps need to be changed as well because that holds the erase and record head circuitry. Make sure all the caps are changed and the alignment procedure is completely followed, including the auto-computer calibration. This puts the CPU into certain states which allow you to check and adjust the computer for various states. 

Regards, 
Bala 


________________________________
 From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 4:44 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL Record
 

Hi Bala,
This ZXL does the  calibration still  from time to time only

All CE and PP in eq. rec. amp are New.

It does make perfect recordings from  400 HZ to 20kHz on the T-100.-


My next step will be to replace the CE cups in the CPU-B.

Because the problem has depend not on the tape.

I looks like the CPU does not have enough energy to do the  tape calibration, most of the trails.

Any other Idea ?

THANK YOU .


Gerhard


It  ist just a matter of 



Am 18.02.2012 um 01:05 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:

He did mention that the calibration was stuck predominantly in EQ mode. Also, because azimuth on Nakamichi decks work with lower frequency, that will pass so long as the electronics and tape path alignment is good. 
>
>
>Bala 
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:28 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL Record
> 
>
>Are you sure the auto azimuth is working correctly?  If the azimuth is off you'll get that symptom.  Otherwise, with an oscilliscope watch the oscillator output as the deck is in auto cal mode to see what it's doing.  My guess is one of the frequencies is way off.
>
>
>Willy
>
>
>On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Dear Willy,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I did replace all PP cups in the CPU A and B, and all PP  on the other PCB´s.
>>
>>
>>With new PP cups same manufacture than original.
>>
>>
>>C101 to 105 ( C 2101 to 205 ) and C809 did make the relay big pumping, bad recording  on this ZXL.
>>
>>
>>Only PP C102 ( C202) on the main PCB near the MPX-Filter switch are still the old ones.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Now it is sounding great on record and playback, but it does not make calibration  every time .
>>
>>
>>10 cassettes , 2 times auto-calibration will be made.
>>
>>
>>The  T-100 It shows a little level change on 400Hz recording 1db. on left cannel only.
>>
>>
>>The high frequency recording  at  20db below are all right.
>>
>>
>>Azimuth will be set by the Deck.
>>
>>
>>tape travel  looks good. And must be good, because the problem is starting 
>>after 15 sec. recording. Heads are aligned  with Naka Test tapes.
>>
>>
>>listening with 8 pcs.  Infinity Kappa 8 , this ZXL is sounding like a  vinyl  Record.
>>
>>
>>should I go on with replacing Low Noise and CE cups, in rec. amp. or in rec. eq. amp first.?
>>
>>
>>thank you for you help, Willy, and all listeners.
>>
>>G
>>
>>
>>
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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Sun Feb 19 09:25:25 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 09:25:25 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL Record
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Hi Gerhard,

 

A part to the auto computer  calibration needs the M-9057 test unit. There
are not many people who has this unit .

 

Regards Norman

 

Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Bala
Ganesh Chandra
Verzonden: zondag 19 februari 2012 0:32
Aan: Gerhard Wartha
CC: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] ZXL Record

 

Hi Gerhard, 

 

The CPU B board caps need to be changed as well because that holds the erase
and record head circuitry. Make sure all the caps are changed and the
alignment procedure is completely followed, including the auto-computer
calibration. This puts the CPU into certain states which allow you to check
and adjust the computer for various states. 

 

Regards, 

Bala 

 

  _____  

From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette
Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 4:44 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL Record

 

Hi Bala,

 

This ZXL does the  calibration still  from time to time only

 

All CE and PP in eq. rec. amp are New.

 

It does make perfect recordings from  400 HZ to 20kHz on the T-100.-

 

 

My next step will be to replace the CE cups in the CPU-B.

 

Because the problem has depend not on the tape.

 

I looks like the CPU does not have enough energy to do the  tape
calibration, most of the trails.

 

Any other Idea ?

 

THANK YOU .

 

 

Gerhard

 

 

It  ist just a matter of 

 

 

 

Am 18.02.2012 um 01:05 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:





He did mention that the calibration was stuck predominantly in EQ mode.
Also, because azimuth on Nakamichi decks work with lower frequency, that
will pass so long as the electronics and tape path alignment is good. 

 

Bala 

 

  _____  

From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL Record

 

Are you sure the auto azimuth is working correctly?  If the azimuth is off
you'll get that symptom.  Otherwise, with an oscilliscope watch the
oscillator output as the deck is in auto cal mode to see what it's doing.
My guess is one of the frequencies is way off.

 

Willy

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
wrote:


Dear Willy,

 

 

I did replace all PP cups in the CPU A and B, and all PP  on the other
PCB´s.

 

With new PP cups same manufacture than original.

 

C101 to 105 ( C 2101 to 205 ) and C809 did make the relay big pumping, bad
recording  on this ZXL.

 

Only PP C102 ( C202) on the main PCB near the MPX-Filter switch are still
the old ones.

 

 

Now it is sounding great on record and playback, but it does not make
calibration  every time .

 

10 cassettes , 2 times auto-calibration will be made.

 

The  T-100 It shows a little level change on 400Hz recording 1db. on left
cannel only.

 

The high frequency recording  at  20db below are all right.

 

Azimuth will be set by the Deck.

 

tape travel  looks good. And must be good, because the problem is starting 

after 15 sec. recording. Heads are aligned  with Naka Test tapes.

 

listening with 8 pcs.  Infinity Kappa 8 , this ZXL is sounding like a  vinyl
Record.

 

should I go on with replacing Low Noise and CE cups, in rec. amp. or in rec.
eq. amp first.?

 

thank you for you help, Willy, and all listeners.

 

G

 

 


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From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 09:21:03 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
Message-ID: <69AD4573-DBBB-4835-B7EC-A94BE2223D9F@gmail.com>


Hi, Members  from USA,

I,am living in EU, Austria, Vienna and  would like to buy a SVVM  
meter who is with

BUY IT NOW on EBAY US.

TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC MILLIVOLT METER

  Etem Nr:290665408552


This seller is not selling or communicating outside USA.


I can offer the member who is doing this for me a set of original,  
NEW , set of PP-cups.
from the same Manufacture like the cups  used from Nakamichi
for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.  (except ZXL),

I do have this cups, because I did buy them in japan as New, 9 weeks  
ago.

This member, who is helping me, needs to have  a pay pal account.

I will pay the Item, shiping  within  USA, and  shipping to europe.


I ám doing this because  in Vienna there is the best way to service the

collected  Deck´s by doing it by my self.

This Member  should please tell me the Deck he wants to have the PP-  
cups for.
He is getting them for free. inkl. shipping.
I have most of the Service Manuals, i will look what cups this Deck  
will be needing.

regards

Gerhard

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From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 07:21:20 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
References: <69AD4573-DBBB-4835-B7EC-A94BE2223D9F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01ccf164$deebf110$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

Hi Gerhard, I would sure help you but I live in Canada and besides the Meter sold.  I was looking at the same meter last week but couldn't buy from Canada either. I am thinking of going with this 220946410221  looks good and has 2 channels but don't know if the quality would be good.

Cheers,
Rainer

P.S.  If you ever need a connection in Canada let me know



----- Original Message ----- 
From: Gerhard Wartha 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:21 AM
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay




Hi, Members  from USA,


I,am living in EU, Austria, Vienna and  would like to buy a SVVM meter who is with


BUY IT NOW on EBAY US.


TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC MILLIVOLT METER 
 Etem Nr:290665408552




This seller is not selling or communicating outside USA.




I can offer the member who is doing this for me a set of original, NEW , set of PP-cups.
from the same Manufacture like the cups  used from Nakamichi 
for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.  (except ZXL), 


I do have this cups, because I did buy them in japan as New, 9 weeks ago.


This member, who is helping me, needs to have  a pay pal account.


I will pay the Item, shiping  within  USA, and  shipping to europe.




I ám doing this because  in Vienna there is the best way to service the 


collected  Deck´s by doing it by my self.


This Member  should please tell me the Deck he wants to have the PP- cups for.
He is getting them for free. inkl. shipping.
I have most of the Service Manuals, i will look what cups this Deck will be needing.


regards


Gerhard







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From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:37:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
In-Reply-To: <002b01ccf164$deebf110$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>
Message-ID: <1329928673.85888.YahooMailClassic@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I was going to help you but I guess it's too late.BTW, stupid question, what are PP cups?Bob N

--- On Wed, 2/22/12, Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net> wrote:

From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:21 AM



 
 



Hi Gerhard, I would sure help you but I live in Canada and 
besides the Meter sold.  I was looking at the same meter last week but 
couldn't buy from Canada either. I am thinking of going with this 
220946410221  looks good and has 2 channels but don't know if the quality 
would be good.
 
Cheers,
Rainer
 
P.S.  If you ever need a connection in Canada let me 
know
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Gerhard Wartha 
To: Talk 
about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:21 
AM
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay




Hi, 
Members  from USA,


I,am living in EU, Austria, Vienna and  
would like to buy a SVVM meter who is with


BUY IT NOW on EBAY 
US.


TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC MILLIVOLT METER 
 Etem 
Nr:290665408552




This seller is not selling or communicating 
outside USA.




I can offer the member who is doing this for me 
a set of original, NEW , set of PP-cups.
from the same Manufacture like the 
cups  used from Nakamichi 
for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.  (except 
ZXL), 


I do have this cups, because I did buy them in japan as New, 9 
weeks ago.


This member, who is helping me, needs to have  a pay 
pal account.


I will pay the Item, shiping  within  USA, 
and  shipping to europe.




I ám doing this because  
in Vienna there is the best way to service the 


collected  
Deck´s by doing it by my self.


This Member  should please tell 
me the Deck he wants to have the PP- cups for.
He is getting them for free. 
inkl. shipping.
I have most of the Service Manuals, i will look what cups 
this Deck will be 
needing.


regards


Gerhard







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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Wed Feb 22 18:54:36 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 09:54:36 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
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A non-english speaker's take on polyprop. capacitors ;-)  He's always
called them "cups" and no one's ever corrected him.

Willy

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I was going to help you but I guess it's too late.
> BTW, stupid question, what are PP cups?
> Bob N
>
> --- On *Wed, 2/22/12, Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:21 AM
>
>  Hi Gerhard, I would sure help you but I live in Canada and besides the
> Meter sold.  I was looking at the same meter last week but couldn't buy
> from Canada either. I am thinking of going with this 220946410221  looks
> good and has 2 channels but don't know if the quality would be good.
>
> Cheers,
> Rainer
>
> P.S.  If you ever need a connection in Canada let me know
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gerhard Wartha
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:21 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>
>
>
>
> Hi, Members  from USA,
>
>
> I,am living in EU, Austria, Vienna and  would like to buy a SVVM meter who
> is with
>
>
> BUY IT NOW on EBAY US.
>
>
> TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC MILLIVOLT METER
>  Etem Nr:290665408552
>
>
>
>
> This seller is not selling or communicating outside USA.
>
>
>
>
> I can offer the member who is doing this for me a set of original, NEW ,
> set of PP-cups.
> from the same Manufacture like the cups  used from Nakamichi
> for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.  (except ZXL),
>
>
> I do have this cups, because I did buy them in japan as New, 9 weeks ago.
>
>
> This member, who is helping me, needs to have  a pay pal account.
>
>
> I will pay the Item, shiping  within  USA, and  shipping to europe.
>
>
>
>
> I ám doing this because  in Vienna there is the best way to service the
>
>
> collected  Deck´s by doing it by my self.
>
>
> This Member  should please tell me the Deck he wants to have the PP- cups
> for.
> He is getting them for free. inkl. shipping.
> I have most of the Service Manuals, i will look what cups this Deck will
> be needing.
>
>
> regards
>
>
> Gerhard
>
>
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 19:39:02 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:39:02 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
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References: <1329928673.85888.YahooMailClassic@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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PP-cups in Nakamichis are  100Volt Polypopelin cups.

used from Nakamichi in Oscillators or Filter.


This orange cups are fame's  to  many NAKAMICHI user.

Because this cups getting old and stop working   in many Decks.

If a Deck is not doing recordings, it is very often  just necessary   
to replace them.

It is not a good Idea to use other, different , cups in that place.

different cup, makes different sound

It is knows as  " Orange Cap Disease", more about on,.......

http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#CR-7%20High%20Res% 
20Play%20Azimuth%20Adjust

thank you Scott !





This cups, and a lot more of
Am 22.02.2012 um 17:37 schrieb Bob Naylor:

> I was going to help you but I guess it's too late.
> BTW, stupid question, what are PP cups?
> Bob N
>
> --- On Wed, 2/22/12, Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>  
> wrote:
>
> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:21 AM
>
> Hi Gerhard, I would sure help you but I live in Canada and besides  
> the Meter sold.  I was looking at the same meter last week but  
> couldn't buy from Canada either. I am thinking of going with this  
> 220946410221  looks good and has 2 channels but don't know if the  
> quality would be good.
>
> Cheers,
> Rainer
>
> P.S.  If you ever need a connection in Canada let me know
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gerhard Wartha
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:21 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>
>
>
>
> Hi, Members  from USA,
>
>
> I,am living in EU, Austria, Vienna and  would like to buy a SVVM  
> meter who is with
>
>
> BUY IT NOW on EBAY US.
>
>
> TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC MILLIVOLT METER
>  Etem Nr:290665408552
>
>
>
>
> This seller is not selling or communicating outside USA.
>
>
>
>
> I can offer the member who is doing this for me a set of original,  
> NEW , set of PP-cups.
> from the same Manufacture like the cups  used from Nakamichi
> for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.  (except ZXL),
>
>
> I do have this cups, because I did buy them in japan as New, 9  
> weeks ago.
>
>
> This member, who is helping me, needs to have  a pay pal account.
>
>
> I will pay the Item, shiping  within  USA, and  shipping to europe.
>
>
>
>
> I ám doing this because  in Vienna there is the best way to service  
> the
>
>
> collected  Deck´s by doing it by my self.
>
>
> This Member  should please tell me the Deck he wants to have the  
> PP- cups for.
> He is getting them for free. inkl. shipping.
> I have most of the Service Manuals, i will look what cups this Deck  
> will be needing.
>
>
> regards
>
>
> Gerhard
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From george.valkov at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 20:12:09 2012
From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:12:09 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
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cAps, Gerhard, not cUps.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>wrote:

> PP-cups in Nakamichis are  100Volt Polypopelin cups.
>
> used from Nakamichi in Oscillators or Filter.
>
>
> This orange cups are fame's  to  many NAKAMICHI user.
>
> Because this cups getting old and stop working   in many Decks.
>
> If a Deck is not doing recordings, it is very often  just necessary  to
> replace them.
>
> It is not a good Idea to use other, different , cups in that place.
>
> different cup, makes different sound
>
> It is knows as  " *Orange Cap Disease", more about on,.......*
> *
> *
> *
> http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#CR-7%20High%20Res%20Play%20Azimuth%20Adjust
> *
> *
> *
> *thank you Scott !*
> *
> *
> *
> *
>
>
>
> This cups, and a lot more of
> Am 22.02.2012 um 17:37 schrieb Bob Naylor:
>
> I was going to help you but I guess it's too late.
> BTW, stupid question, what are PP cups?
> Bob N
>
> --- On *Wed, 2/22/12, Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:21 AM
>
>  Hi Gerhard, I would sure help you but I live in Canada and besides the
> Meter sold.  I was looking at the same meter last week but couldn't buy
> from Canada either. I am thinking of going with this 220946410221  looks
> good and has 2 channels but don't know if the quality would be good.
>
> Cheers,
> Rainer
>
> P.S.  If you ever need a connection in Canada let me know
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gerhard Wartha
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:21 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>
>
>
>
> Hi, Members  from USA,
>
>
> I,am living in EU, Austria, Vienna and  would like to buy a SVVM meter who
> is with
>
>
> BUY IT NOW on EBAY US.
>
>
> TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC MILLIVOLT METER
>  Etem Nr:290665408552
>
>
>
>
> This seller is not selling or communicating outside USA.
>
>
>
>
> I can offer the member who is doing this for me a set of original, NEW ,
> set of PP-cups.
> from the same Manufacture like the cups  used from Nakamichi
> for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.  (except ZXL),
>
>
> I do have this cups, because I did buy them in japan as New, 9 weeks ago.
>
>
> This member, who is helping me, needs to have  a pay pal account.
>
>
> I will pay the Item, shiping  within  USA, and  shipping to europe.
>
>
>
>
> I ám doing this because  in Vienna there is the best way to service the
>
>
> collected  Deck´s by doing it by my self.
>
>
> This Member  should please tell me the Deck he wants to have the PP- cups
> for.
> He is getting them for free. inkl. shipping.
> I have most of the Service Manuals, i will look what cups this Deck will
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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Wed Feb 22 20:29:22 2012
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:29:22 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
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Even better
.How about “capacitor”?

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of george valkov
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:12 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay

 

cAps, Gerhard, not cUps.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
wrote:

PP-cups in Nakamichis are  100Volt Polypopelin cups.

 

used from Nakamichi in Oscillators or Filter.

 

 

This orange cups are fame's  to  many NAKAMICHI user.

 

Because this cups getting old and stop working   in many Decks.

 

If a Deck is not doing recordings, it is very often  just necessary  to
replace them.

 

It is not a good Idea to use other, different , cups in that place. 

 

different cup, makes different sound

 

It is knows as  " Orange Cap Disease", more about on,.......

 

http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#CR-7%20High%20Res%20Play%20A
zimuth%20Adjust

 

thank you Scott !

 

 

 

 

 

This cups, and a lot more of

Am 22.02.2012 um 17:37 schrieb Bob Naylor:






I was going to help you but I guess it's too late.

BTW, stupid question, what are PP cups?

Bob N

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From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:21 AM

Hi Gerhard, I would sure help you but I live in Canada and besides the Meter
sold.  I was looking at the same meter last week but couldn't buy from
Canada either. I am thinking of going with this 220946410221  looks good and
has 2 channels but don't know if the quality would be good.

 

Cheers,

Rainer

 

P.S.  If you ever need a connection in Canada let me know

 

 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Gerhard Wartha 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:21 AM
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay




Hi, Members  from USA,


I,am living in EU, Austria, Vienna and  would like to buy a SVVM meter who
is with


BUY IT NOW on EBAY US.


TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC MILLIVOLT METER 
 Etem Nr:290665408552




This seller is not selling or communicating outside USA.




I can offer the member who is doing this for me a set of original, NEW , set
of PP-cups.
from the same Manufacture like the cups  used from Nakamichi 
for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.  (except ZXL), 


I do have this cups, because I did buy them in japan as New, 9 weeks ago.


This member, who is helping me, needs to have  a pay pal account.


I will pay the Item, shiping  within  USA, and  shipping to europe.




I ám doing this because  in Vienna there is the best way to service the 


collected  Deck´s by doing it by my self.


This Member  should please tell me the Deck he wants to have the PP- cups
for.
He is getting them for free. inkl. shipping.
I have most of the Service Manuals, i will look what cups this Deck will be
needing.


regards


Gerhard







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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 22 19:55:32 2012
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:55:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
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LOL!  Learn somethin' new everyday!Bob N

--- On Wed, 2/22/12, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:

From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 9:54 AM

A non-english speaker's take on polyprop. capacitors ;-)  He's always called them "cups" and no one's ever corrected him.
Willy

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com> wrote:

I was going to help you but I guess it's too late.
BTW, stupid question, what are PP cups?Bob N

--- On Wed, 2/22/12, Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net> wrote:


From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay

To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:21 AM



 
 



Hi Gerhard, I would sure help you but I live in Canada and 
besides the Meter sold.  I was looking at the same meter last week but 
couldn't buy from Canada either. I am thinking of going with this 
220946410221  looks good and has 2 channels but don't know if the quality 
would be good.
 
Cheers,
Rainer
 
P.S.  If you ever need a connection in Canada let me 
know
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Gerhard Wartha 
To: Talk 
about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:21 
AM
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay




Hi, 
Members  from USA,


I,am living in EU, Austria, Vienna and  
would like to buy a SVVM meter who is with


BUY IT NOW on EBAY 
US.


TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC MILLIVOLT METER 
 Etem 
Nr:290665408552




This seller is not selling or communicating 
outside USA.




I can offer the member who is doing this for me 
a set of original, NEW , set of PP-cups.
from the same Manufacture like the 
cups  used from Nakamichi 
for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.  (except 
ZXL), 


I do have this cups, because I did buy them in japan as New, 9 
weeks ago.


This member, who is helping me, needs to have  a pay 
pal account.


I will pay the Item, shiping  within  USA, 
and  shipping to europe.




I ám doing this because  
in Vienna there is the best way to service the 


collected  
Deck´s by doing it by my self.


This Member  should please tell 
me the Deck he wants to have the PP- cups for.
He is getting them for free. 
inkl. shipping.
I have most of the Service Manuals, i will look what cups 
this Deck will be 
needing.


regards


Gerhard







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From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:04:07 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
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Is it for sure that the original orange drop caps are polypropylene not Tantalum? 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gerhard Wartha 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay


  PP-cups in Nakamichis are  100Volt Polypopelin cups.


  used from Nakamichi in Oscillators or Filter.




  This orange cups are fame's  to  many NAKAMICHI user.


  Because this cups getting old and stop working   in many Decks.


  If a Deck is not doing recordings, it is very often  just necessary  to replace them.


  It is not a good Idea to use other, different , cups in that place. 


  different cup, makes different sound


  It is knows as  " Orange Cap Disease", more about on,.......


  http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#CR-7%20High%20Res%20Play%20Azimuth%20Adjust


  thank you Scott !










  This cups, and a lot more of
  Am 22.02.2012 um 17:37 schrieb Bob Naylor:


          I was going to help you but I guess it's too late.
          BTW, stupid question, what are PP cups?
          Bob N

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            From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
            Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
            To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
            Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:21 AM


            Hi Gerhard, I would sure help you but I live in Canada and besides the Meter sold.  I was looking at the same meter last week but couldn't buy from Canada either. I am thinking of going with this 220946410221  looks good and has 2 channels but don't know if the quality would be good.

            Cheers,
            Rainer

            P.S.  If you ever need a connection in Canada let me know



            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Gerhard Wartha 
            To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
            Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:21 AM
            Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay




            Hi, Members  from USA,


            I,am living in EU, Austria, Vienna and  would like to buy a SVVM meter who is with


            BUY IT NOW on EBAY US.


            TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC MILLIVOLT METER 
             Etem Nr:290665408552




            This seller is not selling or communicating outside USA.




            I can offer the member who is doing this for me a set of original, NEW , set of PP-cups.
            from the same Manufacture like the cups  used from Nakamichi 
            for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.  (except ZXL), 


            I do have this cups, because I did buy them in japan as New, 9 weeks ago.


            This member, who is helping me, needs to have  a pay pal account.


            I will pay the Item, shiping  within  USA, and  shipping to europe.




            I ám doing this because  in Vienna there is the best way to service the 


            collected  Deck´s by doing it by my self.


            This Member  should please tell me the Deck he wants to have the PP- cups for.
            He is getting them for free. inkl. shipping.
            I have most of the Service Manuals, i will look what cups this Deck will be needing.


            regards


            Gerhard







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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 22:31:56 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:31:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
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APS in Japan,....... okay ? short  for


ACCURATE POLYPROPYLENE SERIE


regards

Gerhard


Am 22.02.2012 um 20:29 schrieb Victor Gabrenas:

> Even better….How about “capacitor”?
>
>
>
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On  
> Behalf Of george valkov
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:12 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>
>
>
> cAps, Gerhard, not cUps.
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Gerhard Wartha  
> <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> PP-cups in Nakamichis are  100Volt Polypopelin cups.
>
>
>
> used from Nakamichi in Oscillators or Filter.
>
>
>
>
>
> This orange cups are fame's  to  many NAKAMICHI user.
>
>
>
> Because this cups getting old and stop working   in many Decks.
>
>
>
> If a Deck is not doing recordings, it is very often  just  
> necessary  to replace them.
>
>
>
> It is not a good Idea to use other, different , cups in that place.
>
>
>
> different cup, makes different sound
>
>
>
> It is knows as  " Orange Cap Disease", more about on,.......
>
>
>
> http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#CR-7%20High%20Res% 
> 20Play%20Azimuth%20Adjust
>
>
>
> thank you Scott !
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This cups, and a lot more of
>
> Am 22.02.2012 um 17:37 schrieb Bob Naylor:
>
>
>
>
> I was going to help you but I guess it's too late.
>
> BTW, stupid question, what are PP cups?
>
> Bob N
>
> --- On Wed, 2/22/12, Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>  
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:21 AM
>
> Hi Gerhard, I would sure help you but I live in Canada and besides  
> the Meter sold.  I was looking at the same meter last week but  
> couldn't buy from Canada either. I am thinking of going with this  
> 220946410221  looks good and has 2 channels but don't know if the  
> quality would be good.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rainer
>
>
>
> P.S.  If you ever need a connection in Canada let me know
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gerhard Wartha
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:21 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>
>
>
>
> Hi, Members  from USA,
>
>
> I,am living in EU, Austria, Vienna and  would like to buy a SVVM  
> meter who is with
>
>
> BUY IT NOW on EBAY US.
>
>
> TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC MILLIVOLT METER
>  Etem Nr:290665408552
>
>
>
>
> This seller is not selling or communicating outside USA.
>
>
>
>
> I can offer the member who is doing this for me a set of original,  
> NEW , set of PP-cups.
> from the same Manufacture like the cups  used from Nakamichi
> for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.  (except ZXL),
>
>
> I do have this cups, because I did buy them in japan as New, 9  
> weeks ago.
>
>
> This member, who is helping me, needs to have  a pay pal account.
>
>
> I will pay the Item, shiping  within  USA, and  shipping to europe.
>
>
>
>
> I ám doing this because  in Vienna there is the best way to service  
> the
>
>
> collected  Deck´s by doing it by my self.
>
>
> This Member  should please tell me the Deck he wants to have the  
> PP- cups for.
> He is getting them for free. inkl. shipping.
> I have most of the Service Manuals, i will look what cups this Deck  
> will be needing.
>
>
> regards
>
>
> Gerhard
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Thu Feb 23 00:31:32 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 21:31:32 -0200
Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
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Very helpful, Gertha. Thank for sharing the info.
Regards,
Rodrigo Krause

________________________________

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Wed Feb 22 16:39:02 2012
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay 


PP-cups in Nakamichis are  100Volt Polypopelin cups.

used from Nakamichi in Oscillators or Filter.


This orange cups are fame's  to  many NAKAMICHI user.

Because this cups getting old and stop working   in many Decks.

If a Deck is not doing recordings, it is very often  just necessary  to replace them.

It is not a good Idea to use other, different , cups in that place. 

different cup, makes different sound

It is knows as  " Orange Cap Disease", more about on,.......


http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#CR-7%20High%20Res%20Play%20Azimuth%20Adjust


thank you Scott !







This cups, and a lot more of
Am 22.02.2012 um 17:37 schrieb Bob Naylor:


I was going to help you but I guess it's too late.
BTW, stupid question, what are PP cups?
Bob N

--- On Wed, 2/22/12, Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net> wrote:



	From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
	Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
	To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
	Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:21 AM
	
	
	Hi Gerhard, I would sure help you but I live in Canada and besides the Meter sold.  I was looking at the same meter last week but couldn't buy from Canada either. I am thinking of going with this 220946410221  looks good and has 2 channels but don't know if the quality would be good.
	 
	Cheers,
	Rainer
	 
	P.S.  If you ever need a connection in Canada let me know
	 
	 
	
	
	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: Gerhard Wartha 
	To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
	Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:21 AM
	Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
	
	
	
	
	Hi, Members  from USA,
	
	
	I,am living in EU, Austria, Vienna and  would like to buy a SVVM meter who is with
	
	
	BUY IT NOW on EBAY US.
	
	
	TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC MILLIVOLT METER 
	 Etem Nr:290665408552
	
	
	
	
	This seller is not selling or communicating outside USA.
	
	
	
	
	I can offer the member who is doing this for me a set of original, NEW , set of PP-cups.
	from the same Manufacture like the cups  used from Nakamichi 
	for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.  (except ZXL), 
	
	
	I do have this cups, because I did buy them in japan as New, 9 weeks ago.
	
	
	This member, who is helping me, needs to have  a pay pal account.
	
	
	I will pay the Item, shiping  within  USA, and  shipping to europe.
	
	
	
	
	I ám doing this because  in Vienna there is the best way to service the 
	
	
	collected  Deck´s by doing it by my self.
	
	
	This Member  should please tell me the Deck he wants to have the PP- cups for.
	He is getting them for free. inkl. shipping.
	I have most of the Service Manuals, i will look what cups this Deck will be needing.
	
	
	regards
	
	
	Gerhard
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Thu Feb 23 08:25:51 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:25:51 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
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yes!

The are APS
ACCURATE POLYPROPYLENE SERIE

Every electronic shop in japan sells some of those.
A lot of Japanese electronic-designer  use them.

I did ask a Japanese Capacitor designer.
This cups are very different to metallised  Film capitulator.

He did write one page of explaining this, he did white in japanese.
The are different in how to make them.
APS have to get cut to prove the running fabrication.

The are very good but  not stable enough for use in expensive Machines.

Because it is to expense to have a problem when the fail some times  
or with using time.

without thinking or writing about Nakamichi he did describe the "  
orange capacitor disease"

happens in  Nakamichi Decks some time.

My wife does all the recherché in Japanese Talk Forums for me.

Regards

Gerhard



Am 22.02.2012 um 22:04 schrieb Rainer & Joy-Ell:

> Is it for sure that the original orange drop caps are polypropylene  
> not Tantalum?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gerhard Wartha
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>
> PP-cups in Nakamichis are  100Volt Polypopelin cups.
>
> used from Nakamichi in Oscillators or Filter.
>
>
> This orange cups are fame's  to  many NAKAMICHI user.
>
> Because this cups getting old and stop working   in many Decks.
>
> If a Deck is not doing recordings, it is very often  just  
> necessary  to replace them.
>
> It is not a good Idea to use other, different , cups in that place.
>
> different cup, makes different sound
>
> It is knows as  " Orange Cap Disease", more about on,.......
>
> http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#CR-7%20High%20Res% 
> 20Play%20Azimuth%20Adjust
>
> thank you Scott !
>
>
>
>
>
> This cups, and a lot more of
> Am 22.02.2012 um 17:37 schrieb Bob Naylor:
>
>> I was going to help you but I guess it's too late.
>> BTW, stupid question, what are PP cups?
>> Bob N
>>
>> --- On Wed, 2/22/12, Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:21 AM
>>
>> Hi Gerhard, I would sure help you but I live in Canada and besides  
>> the Meter sold.  I was looking at the same meter last week but  
>> couldn't buy from Canada either. I am thinking of going with this  
>> 220946410221  looks good and has 2 channels but don't know if the  
>> quality would be good.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Rainer
>>
>> P.S.  If you ever need a connection in Canada let me know
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Gerhard Wartha
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:21 AM
>> Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Members  from USA,
>>
>>
>> I,am living in EU, Austria, Vienna and  would like to buy a SVVM  
>> meter who is with
>>
>>
>> BUY IT NOW on EBAY US.
>>
>>
>> TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC MILLIVOLT METER
>>  Etem Nr:290665408552
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This seller is not selling or communicating outside USA.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I can offer the member who is doing this for me a set of original,  
>> NEW , set of PP-cups.
>> from the same Manufacture like the cups  used from Nakamichi
>> for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.  (except ZXL),
>>
>>
>> I do have this cups, because I did buy them in japan as New, 9  
>> weeks ago.
>>
>>
>> This member, who is helping me, needs to have  a pay pal account.
>>
>>
>> I will pay the Item, shiping  within  USA, and  shipping to europe.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I ám doing this because  in Vienna there is the best way to  
>> service the
>>
>>
>> collected  Deck´s by doing it by my self.
>>
>>
>> This Member  should please tell me the Deck he wants to have the  
>> PP- cups for.
>> He is getting them for free. inkl. shipping.
>> I have most of the Service Manuals, i will look what cups this  
>> Deck will be needing.
>>
>>
>> regards
>>
>>
>> Gerhard
>>
>>
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From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Thu Feb 23 10:01:33 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:01:33 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
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Hi everyone,

I do confirm: late January, I went in the very same shop that Gerhard 
told me about in Osaka, and indeed, they are the very same that the 
original ones! you can simply visually verify that.

However, Gerhard, I was not able to find the 2% tolerance following ones 
(not enough free time to check all the shops there): 4x 4700 p, 1 x 2200 
p, 1x 10000, 1x 330 p (all in 100 V, 2% tolerance). Would you be willing 
to sell me these 5 for me?

I have also a doubt about the value of the 2200 p one: it is actually 
that labelled C516 on the ZX9 D/D Motor Control PCB ass'y. Can someone 
confirm?

Also, I have build a Excel file with a list of PP caps (orange caps) in 
some decks. Is someone is interested in either checking the list or 
upgrading it with other decks, let me know.

Have a nice day
bernard


Le 22/02/2012 22:31, Gerhard Wartha a écrit :
> APSin Japan,....... okay ? short  for
>
>
> ACCURATE POLYPROPYLENE SERIE
>
>
> regards
>
> Gerhard
>
>
>
> Am 22.02.2012 um 20:29 schrieb Victor Gabrenas:
>
>> Even better....How about "capacitor"?
>>
>> *From:*naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On 
>> Behalf Of *george valkov
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:12 PM
>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>>
>> cAps, Gerhard, not cUps.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Gerhard Wartha 
>> <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com <mailto:gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> PP-cups in Nakamichis are  100Volt Polypopelin cups.
>>
>> used from Nakamichi in Oscillators or Filter.
>>
>> This orange cups are fame's  to  many NAKAMICHI user.
>>
>> Because this cups getting old and stop working   in many Decks.
>>
>> If a Deck is not doing recordings, it is very often  just necessary 
>>  to replace them.
>>
>> It is not a good Idea to use other, different , cups in that place.
>>
>> different cup, makes different sound
>>
>> It is knows as  " *_Orange Cap Disease", _**_more about on,......._*
>>
>> *_http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#CR-7%20High%20Res%20Play%20Azimuth%20Adjust_*
>>
>> *_thank you Scott !_*
>>
>> This cups, and a lot more of
>>
>> Am 22.02.2012 um 17:37 schrieb Bob Naylor:
>>
>>
>>
>> I was going to help you but I guess it's too late.
>>
>> BTW, stupid question, what are PP cups?
>>
>> Bob N
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 2/22/12, Rainer & Joy-Ell /<joyell.solie at sasktel.net 
>> <mailto:joyell.solie at sasktel.net>>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net 
>> <mailto:joyell.solie at sasktel.net>>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com 
>> <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>>
>> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:21 AM
>>
>> Hi Gerhard, I would sure help you but I live in Canada and besides 
>> the Meter sold.  I was looking at the same meter last week but 
>> couldn't buy from Canada either. I am thinking of going with this 
>> 220946410221  looks good and has 2 channels but don't know if the 
>> quality would be good.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rainer
>>
>> P.S.  If you ever need a connection in Canada let me know
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Gerhard Wartha
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:21 AM
>> Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Members  from USA,
>>
>>
>> I,am living in EU, Austria, Vienna and  would like to buy a SVVM 
>> meter who is with
>>
>>
>> BUY IT NOW on EBAY US.
>>
>>
>> TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC MILLIVOLT METER
>>  Etem Nr:290665408552
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This seller is not selling or communicating outside USA.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I can offer the member who is doing this for me a set of original, 
>> NEW , set of PP-cups.
>> from the same Manufacture like the cups  used from Nakamichi
>> for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.  (except ZXL),
>>
>>
>> I do have this cups, because I did buy them in japan as New, 9 weeks ago.
>>
>>
>> This member, who is helping me, needs to have  a pay pal account.
>>
>>
>> I will pay the Item, shiping  within  USA, and  shipping to europe.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I ám doing this because  in Vienna there is the best way to service the
>>
>>
>> collected  Deck´s by doing it by my self.
>>
>>
>> This Member  should please tell me the Deck he wants to have the PP- 
>> cups for.
>> He is getting them for free. inkl. shipping.
>> I have most of the Service Manuals, i will look what cups this Deck 
>> will be needing.
>>
>>
>> regards
>>
>>
>> Gerhard
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From patty at jbrudy.com  Thu Feb 23 11:05:44 2012
From: patty at jbrudy.com (patty at jbrudy.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:05:44 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] ***Please Read***OUT OF THE OFFICE
Message-ID: <a342b4e0a3c043e18ec7ab7f1b4a97d6@286ec436c40b4747af34111a62ff66a0>

I WILL BE OUT OF THE OFFICE 2/23/12 AND RETURNING ON 2/24/12.  

PLEASE CONTACT JANILLE IN CUSTOMER SERVICE IF CHECKING BACK ORDERS.
PLEASE CONTACT TRICIA @ tricia at jbrudy.com IF YOU ARE PLACING AN ORDER.

SINCERELY,
PATTY






From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 23 11:17:24 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:17:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
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Guys, 

Capacitors are like cables and a topic onto which volumes can be discussed. The Polypropylene caps that were used for coupling in Nakamichi decks were not a unique case. These caps were also used in other small signal applications like tuners where eventually the age of the caps start to give trouble. 

One thing all of us must remember in this forum is that a majority of decks we own are well over 20 years old. Pick and component out and measure it. It will deviate from it's spec by a fair margin. The fact that it wasn't bang on the nail when it was manufactured (which is why we have tolerances!) isn't so much a problem because the circuit would have been designed to work within certain limits. But with all those components wearing out and drifting about, the cumulative effects are something that cannot be designed for. 

Another factor we must keep in mind is that Nakamichi, like any other company has to factor in cost when designing its equipment. The Japanese, being sticklers for detail and accuracy, would have designed their equipment to a certain performance at a certain price. Peppering the decks with very low tolerance capacitors and esoteric parts would have certain driven the prices up many fold and would have made the decks commercially viable. 

Today however, the story is different. Low tolerance parts are more easily available we are able to source them quickly. Because we are not dealing with a production run of several thousand decks but just one unit sitting on our rack, we can source better parts. 

For polypropylene caps, a better substitute would be polystyrene caps that have better specs, low tolerances (1% or better) and a much better sound. These caps have a very transparent character and produce a good detail without sounding thin or accentuating treble. It we are going through the trouble of re-capping our decks, why not use the best possible parts rather then sticking with what was a commercially viable decision for mass production?

Regards, 
Bala 


________________________________
 From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
 

APSin Japan,....... okay ? short  for



ACCURATE POLYPROPYLENE SERIE


regards

Gerhard



Am 22.02.2012 um 20:29 schrieb Victor Gabrenas:

Even better….How about “capacitor”?
> 
>From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of george valkov
>Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:12 PM
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
> 
>cAps, Gerhard, not cUps.
>On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
>PP-cups in Nakamichis are  100Volt Polypopelin cups.
> 
>used from Nakamichi in Oscillators or Filter.
> 
> 
>This orange cups are fame's  to  many NAKAMICHI user.
> 
>Because this cups getting old and stop working   in many Decks.
> 
>If a Deck is not doing recordings, it is very often  just necessary  to replace them.
> 
>It is not a good Idea to use other, different , cups in that place. 
> 
>different cup, makes different sound
> 
>It is knows as  " Orange Cap Disease", more about on,.......
> 
>http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#CR-7%20High%20Res%20Play%20Azimuth%20Adjust
> 
>thank you Scott !
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>This cups, and a lot more of
>Am 22.02.2012 um 17:37 schrieb Bob Naylor:
>
>
>
>I was going to help you but I guess it's too late.
>BTW, stupid question, what are PP cups?
>Bob N
>
>--- On Wed, 2/22/12, Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net> wrote:
>
>From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:21 AM
>Hi Gerhard, I would sure help you but I live in Canada and besides the Meter sold.  I was looking at the same meter last week but couldn't buy from Canada either. I am thinking of going with this 220946410221  looks good and has 2 channels but don't know if the quality would be good.
> 
>Cheers,
>Rainer
> 
>P.S.  If you ever need a connection in Canada let me know
> 
> 
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Gerhard Wartha 
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:21 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>
>
>
>
>Hi, Members  from USA,
>
>
>I,am living in EU, Austria, Vienna and  would like to buy a SVVM meter who is with
>
>
>BUY IT NOW on EBAY US.
>
>
>TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC MILLIVOLT METER 
> Etem Nr:290665408552
>
>
>
>
>This seller is not selling or communicating outside USA.
>
>
>
>
>I can offer the member who is doing this for me a set of original, NEW , set of PP-cups.
>from the same Manufacture like the cups  used from Nakamichi 
>for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.  (except ZXL), 
>
>
>I do have this cups, because I did buy them in japan as New, 9 weeks ago.
>
>
>This member, who is helping me, needs to have  a pay pal account.
>
>
>I will pay the Item, shiping  within  USA, and  shipping to europe.
>
>
>
>
>I ám doing this because  in Vienna there is the best way to service the 
>
>
>collected  Deck´s by doing it by my self.
>
>
>This Member  should please tell me the Deck he wants to have the PP- cups for.
>He is getting them for free. inkl. shipping.
>I have most of the Service Manuals, i will look what cups this Deck will be needing.
>
>
>regards
>
>
>Gerhard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From hockeyeast at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 23 13:42:44 2012
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (rich)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:42:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 washer Capstans
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Hello Again!!
Still Hunting for zx-9 Capstan Washers...
So, there are no suggestions on where I might find 4 of these for my zx-9? Does anyone have a parts deck? Other Nak Decks did use these also. 505,lx5,etc....later models though.
 
Thanks again...Rich
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 23 17:03:30 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:03:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
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OK Gerhard, these are called polypropylene caps, not cups. So there Willy, I did make the correction.

Ram


________________________________
 From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
 

PP-cups in Nakamichis are  100Volt Polypopelin cups.

used from Nakamichi in Oscillators or Filter.


This orange cups are fame's  to  many NAKAMICHI user.

Because this cups getting old and stop working   in many Decks.

If a Deck is not doing recordings, it is very often  just necessary  to replace them.

It is not a good Idea to use other, different , cups in that place. 

different cup, makes different sound

It is knows as  " Orange Cap Disease", more about on,.......

http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#CR-7%20High%20Res%20Play%20Azimuth%20Adjust

thank you Scott !





This cups, and a lot more of
Am 22.02.2012 um 17:37 schrieb Bob Naylor:

I was going to help you but I guess it's too late.
>BTW, stupid question, what are PP cups?
>Bob N
>
>--- On Wed, 2/22/12, Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:21 AM
>>
>>
>> 
>>Hi Gerhard, I would sure help you but I live in Canada and besides the Meter sold.  I was looking at the same meter last week but couldn't buy from Canada either. I am thinking of going with this 220946410221  looks good and has 2 channels but don't know if the quality would be good.
>> 
>>Cheers,
>>Rainer
>> 
>>P.S.  If you ever need a connection in Canada let me know
>> 
>> 
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Gerhard Wartha 
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:21 AM
>>Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi, Members  from USA,
>>
>>
>>I,am living in EU, Austria, Vienna and  would like to buy a SVVM meter who is with
>>
>>
>>BUY IT NOW on EBAY US.
>>
>>
>>TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC MILLIVOLT METER 
>> Etem Nr:290665408552
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>This seller is not selling or communicating outside USA.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I can offer the member who is doing this for me a set of original, NEW , set of PP-cups.
>>from the same Manufacture like the cups  used from Nakamichi 
>>for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.  (except ZXL), 
>>
>>
>>I do have this cups, because I did buy them in japan as New, 9 weeks ago.
>>
>>
>>This member, who is helping me, needs to have  a pay pal account.
>>
>>
>>I will pay the Item, shiping  within  USA, and  shipping to europe.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I ám doing this because  in Vienna there is the best way to service the 
>>
>>
>>collected  Deck´s by doing it by my self.
>>
>>
>>This Member  should please tell me the Deck he wants to have the PP- cups for.
>>He is getting them for free. inkl. shipping.
>>I have most of the Service Manuals, i will look what cups this Deck will be needing.
>>
>>
>>regards
>>
>>
>>Gerhard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Thu Feb 23 18:20:11 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 18:20:11 +0100
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Hi have:

APS 4x4700 j 5%,   not many left, next week I will shop in japan  
again, but you want 2% can you wait again ?

APS 4700pF  must be easy to find, what for are they?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-0047uF-4-7nF-4700pF-400V-2-5-Tol-ARCO- 
High-Quality-Capacitors-Qty-5-NOS-/110820397394? 
pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item19cd691152

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POLYSTYRENE-CAPACITORS-x70-2-5- 
TOLERANCE-4-7nF-4700pF-0-0047uF-/330688709206? 
pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item4cfe954256


POLYSTYRENE CAPACITORS (x70). 2.5% TOLERANCE. 4.7nF, 4700pF, 0.0047uF.



Bala, knows a lot, He uses ZXL ,  I ask him some times,

He said today on Nak talk,........ we should use  POLYSTYRENE

APS is made for been ACCURATE not  Tolerance only,

I have from England SIVER MICA, very good sound with 2200pF 2% but  
12mm leads 8mm high , 18mm long,

than i have.

APS 222 that is 2200 1%              !!!!!!!!! your dream!!!!

APS 331 that is 330   5%


APS PANASONIC SERIE 1200pF 63 VOLT ( okay for Naka )G that is 2% !!!


Am 23.02.2012 um 10:01 schrieb bb:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I do confirm: late January, I went in the very same shop that  
> Gerhard told me about in Osaka, and indeed, they are the very same  
> that the original ones! you can simply visually verify that.
>
> However, Gerhard, I was not able to find the 2% tolerance following  
> ones (not enough free time to check all the shops there): 4x 4700  
> p, 1 x 2200 p, 1x 10000, 1x 330 p (all in 100 V, 2% tolerance).  
> Would you be willing to sell me these 5 for me?
>
> I have also a doubt about the value of the 2200 p one: it is  
> actually that labelled C516 on the ZX9 D/D Motor Control PCB ass'y.  
> Can someone confirm?
>
> Also, I have build a Excel file with a list of PP caps (orange  
> caps) in some decks. Is someone is interested in either checking  
> the list or upgrading it with other decks, let me know.
>
> Have a nice day
> bernard
>
>
> Le 22/02/2012 22:31, Gerhard Wartha a écrit :
>>
>> APS in Japan,....... okay ? short  for
>>
>>
>> ACCURATE POLYPROPYLENE SERIE
>>
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Gerhard
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 22.02.2012 um 20:29 schrieb Victor Gabrenas:
>>
>>> Even better….How about “capacitor”?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]  
>>> On Behalf Of george valkov
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:12 PM
>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> cAps, Gerhard, not cUps.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Gerhard Wartha  
>>> <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> PP-cups in Nakamichis are  100Volt Polypopelin cups.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> used from Nakamichi in Oscillators or Filter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This orange cups are fame's  to  many NAKAMICHI user.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Because this cups getting old and stop working   in many Decks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If a Deck is not doing recordings, it is very often  just  
>>> necessary  to replace them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is not a good Idea to use other, different , cups in that place.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> different cup, makes different sound
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is knows as  " Orange Cap Disease", more about on,.......
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#CR-7%20High%20Res% 
>>> 20Play%20Azimuth%20Adjust
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> thank you Scott !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This cups, and a lot more of
>>>
>>> Am 22.02.2012 um 17:37 schrieb Bob Naylor:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was going to help you but I guess it's too late.
>>>
>>> BTW, stupid question, what are PP cups?
>>>
>>> Bob N
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 2/22/12, Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:21 AM
>>>
>>> Hi Gerhard, I would sure help you but I live in Canada and  
>>> besides the Meter sold.  I was looking at the same meter last  
>>> week but couldn't buy from Canada either. I am thinking of going  
>>> with this 220946410221  looks good and has 2 channels but don't  
>>> know if the quality would be good.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Rainer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> P.S.  If you ever need a connection in Canada let me know
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Gerhard Wartha
>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:21 AM
>>> Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, Members  from USA,
>>>
>>>
>>> I,am living in EU, Austria, Vienna and  would like to buy a SVVM  
>>> meter who is with
>>>
>>>
>>> BUY IT NOW on EBAY US.
>>>
>>>
>>> TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC MILLIVOLT METER
>>>  Etem Nr:290665408552
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This seller is not selling or communicating outside USA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can offer the member who is doing this for me a set of  
>>> original, NEW , set of PP-cups.
>>> from the same Manufacture like the cups  used from Nakamichi
>>> for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.  (except ZXL),
>>>
>>>
>>> I do have this cups, because I did buy them in japan as New, 9  
>>> weeks ago.
>>>
>>>
>>> This member, who is helping me, needs to have  a pay pal account.
>>>
>>>
>>> I will pay the Item, shiping  within  USA, and  shipping to europe.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I ám doing this because  in Vienna there is the best way to  
>>> service the
>>>
>>>
>>> collected  Deck´s by doing it by my self.
>>>
>>>
>>> This Member  should please tell me the Deck he wants to have the  
>>> PP- cups for.
>>> He is getting them for free. inkl. shipping.
>>> I have most of the Service Manuals, i will look what cups this  
>>> Deck will be needing.
>>>
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Gerhard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:55:29 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 washer Capstans
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Rich, I think you might have to make your own. I might be in the same boat with my TD-700, thought about getting a small precision hole punch (haven't found one yet)and cutting them out of some plastic material, been saving some different packaging etc. in different thicknesses.  

Cheers,
Rainer S.
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  Hello Again!!
  Still Hunting for zx-9 Capstan Washers...
  So, there are no suggestions on where I might find 4 of these for my zx-9? Does anyone have a parts deck? Other Nak Decks did use these also. 505,lx5,etc....later models though.

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From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman Naktalk van Wijnen)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:57:54 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
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Hi Guys,

 

Farnell sells these polystyrene for audio

 

LCR COMPONENTS - FSCEX 4700PF 1%160V - CAPACITOR, 4.7NF, 160V 

Regards Norman

 

 

Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
Gerhard Wartha
Verzonden: donderdag 23 februari 2012 18:20
Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay

 

Hi have:

 

APS 4x4700 j 5%,   not many left, next week I will shop in japan again, but
you want 2% can you wait again ?

 

APS 4700pF  must be easy to find, what for are they?

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-0047uF-4-7nF-4700pF-400V-2-5-Tol-ARCO-High-Quali
ty-Capacitors-Qty-5-NOS-/110820397394?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Suppli
es_ET
<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-0047uF-4-7nF-4700pF-400V-2-5-Tol-ARCO-High-Qual
ity-Capacitors-Qty-5-NOS-/110820397394?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Suppl
ies_ET&hash=item19cd691152> &hash=item19cd691152

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POLYSTYRENE-CAPACITORS-x70-2-5-TOLERANCE-4-7nF-470
0pF-0-0047uF-/330688709206?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET
<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POLYSTYRENE-CAPACITORS-x70-2-5-TOLERANCE-4-7nF-47
00pF-0-0047uF-/330688709206?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash
=item4cfe954256> &hash=item4cfe954256

 

 


POLYSTYRENE CAPACITORS (x70). 2.5% TOLERANCE. 4.7nF, 4700pF, 0.0047uF.


 

 

Bala, knows a lot, He uses ZXL ,  I ask him some times,

 

He said today on Nak talk,........ we should use  POLYSTYRENE 

 

APS is made for been ACCURATE not  Tolerance only,

 

I have from England SIVER MICA, very good sound with 2200pF 2% but 12mm
leads 8mm high , 18mm long,

 

than i have.

 

APS 222 that is 2200 1%              !!!!!!!!! your dream!!!!

 

APS 331 that is 330   5%

 

 

APS PANASONIC SERIE 1200pF 63 VOLT ( okay for Naka )G that is 2% !!!

 

 

Am 23.02.2012 um 10:01 schrieb bb:





Hi everyone,

I do confirm: late January, I went in the very same shop that Gerhard told
me about in Osaka, and indeed, they are the very same that the original
ones! you can simply visually verify that.

However, Gerhard, I was not able to find the 2% tolerance following ones
(not enough free time to check all the shops there): 4x 4700 p, 1 x 2200 p,
1x 10000, 1x 330 p (all in 100 V, 2% tolerance). Would you be willing to
sell me these 5 for me? 

I have also a doubt about the value of the 2200 p one: it is actually that
labelled C516 on the ZX9 D/D Motor Control PCB ass'y. Can someone confirm?

Also, I have build a Excel file with a list of PP caps (orange caps) in some
decks. Is someone is interested in either checking the list or upgrading it
with other decks, let me know.

Have a nice day
bernard


Le 22/02/2012 22:31, Gerhard Wartha a écrit : 

APS in Japan,....... okay ? short  for 

 

 

ACCURATE POLYPROPYLENE SERIE

 

 

regards

 

Gerhard





 

Am 22.02.2012 um 20:29 schrieb Victor Gabrenas:





Even better
.How about “capacitor”?

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of george valkov
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:12 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay

 

cAps, Gerhard, not cUps.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
wrote:

PP-cups in Nakamichis are  100Volt Polypopelin cups.

 

used from Nakamichi in Oscillators or Filter.

 

 

This orange cups are fame's  to  many NAKAMICHI user.

 

Because this cups getting old and stop working   in many Decks.

 

If a Deck is not doing recordings, it is very often  just necessary  to
replace them.

 

It is not a good Idea to use other, different , cups in that place. 

 

different cup, makes different sound

 

It is knows as  " Orange Cap Disease", more about on,.......

 

http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#CR-7%20High%20Res%20Play%20A
zimuth%20Adjust

 

thank you Scott !

 

 

 

 

 

This cups, and a lot more of

Am 22.02.2012 um 17:37 schrieb Bob Naylor:







I was going to help you but I guess it's too late.

BTW, stupid question, what are PP cups?

Bob N

--- On Wed, 2/22/12, Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net> wrote:


From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:21 AM

Hi Gerhard, I would sure help you but I live in Canada and besides the Meter
sold.  I was looking at the same meter last week but couldn't buy from
Canada either. I am thinking of going with this 220946410221  looks good and
has 2 channels but don't know if the quality would be good.

 

Cheers,

Rainer

 

P.S.  If you ever need a connection in Canada let me know

 

 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Gerhard Wartha 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:21 AM
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay




Hi, Members  from USA,


I,am living in EU, Austria, Vienna and  would like to buy a SVVM meter who
is with


BUY IT NOW on EBAY US.


TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC MILLIVOLT METER 
 Etem Nr:290665408552




This seller is not selling or communicating outside USA.




I can offer the member who is doing this for me a set of original, NEW , set
of PP-cups.
from the same Manufacture like the cups  used from Nakamichi 
for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.  (except ZXL), 


I do have this cups, because I did buy them in japan as New, 9 weeks ago.


This member, who is helping me, needs to have  a pay pal account.


I will pay the Item, shiping  within  USA, and  shipping to europe.




I ám doing this because  in Vienna there is the best way to service the 


collected  Deck´s by doing it by my self.


This Member  should please tell me the Deck he wants to have the PP- cups
for.
He is getting them for free. inkl. shipping.
I have most of the Service Manuals, i will look what cups this Deck will be
needing.


regards


Gerhard







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From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:18:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
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Hi Gerhard, 

I have encountered these Orange PP caps in other equipment such as tuners as well where they breakdown after over 30 year in service. It has to be expected because internally, all components experience wear. The APS sounds exciting, although PP caps are not the best in coupling capacitor types they are pretty good for what they cost. I hope to get a comparison between these and polystyrene ones. 

I have tried a other types and brands but I was not happy with the sound. Polystyrene ones sounded the best followed by PPs. While we are on this topic, it would be best to try different types around and see how they actually perform and sound. Bear in mind guys that the deck has to be (electronically) calibrate the deck every time we change something. 

Regards, 
Bala  



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To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
 

Hi have:

APS 4x4700 j 5%,   not many left, next week I will shop in japan again, but you want 2% can you wait again ?

APS 4700pF  must be easy to find, what for are they?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-0047uF-4-7nF-4700pF-400V-2-5-Tol-ARCO-High-Quality-Capacitors-Qty-5-NOS-/110820397394?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item19cd691152

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POLYSTYRENE-CAPACITORS-x70-2-5-TOLERANCE-4-7nF-4700pF-0-0047uF-/330688709206?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item4cfe954256

 POLYSTYRENE CAPACITORS (x70). 2.5% TOLERANCE. 4.7nF, 4700pF, 0.0047uF.


Bala, knows a lot, He uses ZXL ,  I ask him some times,

He said today on Nak talk,........ we should use  POLYSTYRENE 

APS is made for been ACCURATE not  Tolerance only,

I have from England SIVER MICA, very good sound with 2200pF 2% but 12mm leads 8mm high , 18mm long,

than i have.

APS 222 that is 2200 1%              !!!!!!!!! your dream!!!!

APS 331 that is 330   5%


APS PANASONIC SERIE 1200pF 63 VOLT ( okay for Naka )G that is 2% !!!


Am 23.02.2012 um 10:01 schrieb bb:

Hi everyone,
>
>I do confirm: late January, I went in the very same shop that    Gerhard told me about in Osaka, and indeed, they are the very same    that the original ones! you can simply visually verify that.
>
>However, Gerhard, I was not able to find the 2% tolerance following    ones (not enough free time to check all the shops there): 4x 4700 p,    1 x 2200 p, 1x 10000, 1x 330 p (all in 100 V, 2% tolerance). Would    you be willing to sell me these 5 for me? 
>
>I have also a doubt about the value of the 2200 p one: it is    actually that labelled C516 on the ZX9 D/D Motor Control PCB ass'y.    Can someone confirm?
>
>Also, I have build a Excel file with a list of PP caps (orange caps)    in some decks. Is someone is interested in either checking the list    or upgrading it with other decks, let me know.
>
>Have a nice day
>bernard
>
>
>Le 22/02/2012 22:31, Gerhard Wartha a écrit : 
>APSin          Japan,....... okay ? short  for 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>ACCURATE              POLYPROPYLENE SERIE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>regards
>>
>>
>>Gerhard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Am 22.02.2012 um 20:29 schrieb Victor Gabrenas:
>>
>>Even better….How about                    “capacitor”?
>>> 
>>>From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of george valkov
>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:12 PM
>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>>> 
>>>cAps,                  Gerhard, not cUps.
>>>On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM,                    Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>                    wrote:
>>>PP-cups in Nakamichis are                       100Volt Polypopelin cups.
>>> 
>>>used from Nakamichi in                        Oscillators or Filter.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>This orange cups are fame's                         to  many NAKAMICHI user.
>>> 
>>>Because this cups getting old                        and stop working   in many Decks.
>>> 
>>>If a Deck is not doing                        recordings, it is very often  just necessary  to                        replace them.
>>> 
>>>It is not a good Idea to use                        other, different , cups in that place. 
>>> 
>>>different cup, makes                        different sound
>>> 
>>>It is knows as  " Orange Cap                              Disease", more about                              on,.......
>>> 
>>>http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#CR-7%20High%20Res%20Play%20Azimuth%20Adjust
>>> 
>>>thank you Scott !
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>This cups, and a lot more of
>>>Am 22.02.2012 um 17:37                            schrieb Bob Naylor:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I was going to help                                  you but I guess it's too late.
>>>BTW, stupid                                    question, what are PP cups?
>>>Bob N
>>>
>>>--- On Wed, 2/22/12, Rainer                                      & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/                                    and Ebay
>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette                                    Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012,                                    5:21 AM
>>>Hi Gerhard,                                          I would sure help you but I                                          live in Canada and besides the                                          Meter sold.  I was looking at                                          the same meter last week but                                          couldn't buy from Canada                                          either. I am thinking of going                                          with this 220946410221  looks                                          good and has 2 channels but                                          don't know if the quality                                          would be good.
>>> 
>>>Cheers,
>>>Rainer
>>> 
>>>P.S.  If                                          you ever need a connection in                                          Canada let me know
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: Gerhard Wartha 
>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi                                          Cassette Decks 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 22,                                          2012 2:21 AM
>>>Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/                                          and Ebay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi, Members  from USA,
>>>
>>>
>>>I,am living in EU, Austria,                                          Vienna and  would like to buy                                          a SVVM meter who is with
>>>
>>>
>>>BUY IT NOW on EBAY US.
>>>
>>>
>>>TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC                                          MILLIVOLT METER 
>>> Etem Nr:290665408552
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>This seller is not selling or                                          communicating outside USA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I can offer the member who is                                          doing this for me a set of                                          original, NEW , set of                                          PP-cups.
>>>from the same Manufacture like                                          the cups  used from Nakamichi 
>>>for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.                                           (except ZXL), 
>>>
>>>
>>>I do have this cups, because I                                          did buy them in japan as New,                                          9 weeks ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>This member, who is helping                                          me, needs to have  a pay pal                                          account.
>>>
>>>
>>>I will pay the Item, shiping                                           within  USA, and  shipping to                                          europe.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I ám doing this because  in                                          Vienna there is the best way                                          to service the 
>>>
>>>
>>>collected  Deck´s by doing it                                          by my self.
>>>
>>>
>>>This Member  should please                                          tell me the Deck he wants to                                          have the PP- cups for.
>>>He is getting them for free.                                          inkl. shipping.
>>>I have most of the Service                                          Manuals, i will look what cups                                          this Deck will be needing.
>>>
>>>
>>>regards
>>>
>>>
>>>Gerhard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 18:57:58 -0800 (PST)
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A long time ago I read a study that compared film caps. These were not listening tests, 

but measurements. The tested characteristic was 'memory', where a cap voltage starts 

to increase after going to zero by a short discharge. This supposedly occurs due to 

minute amounts of energy that remain stored in the dielectric. Also supposedly, this 

effect is responsible for distortion in audio circuits. 


IIRC, PP caps were found to be the best in that regards, which is why I started to 

use them in all my audio projects (including CR-7 EQ mods and Bugle phono 

preamps), all which turned out to sound very good.


I don't recall whether Polystyrene caps were included in that study. 


-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
> 
>
>Hi Gerhard, 
>
>
>I have encountered these Orange PP caps in other equipment such as tuners as well where they breakdown after over 30 year in service. It has to be expected because internally, all components experience wear. The APS sounds exciting, although PP caps are not the best in coupling capacitor types they are pretty good for what they cost. I hope to get a comparison between these and polystyrene ones. 
>
>
>I have tried a other types and brands but I was not happy with the sound. Polystyrene ones sounded the best followed by PPs. While we are on this topic, it would be best to try different types around and see how they actually perform and sound. Bear in mind guys that the deck has to be (electronically) calibrate the deck every time we change something. 
>
>
>Regards, 
>Bala  
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:20 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
> 
>
>Hi have:
>
>
>APS 4x4700 j 5%,   not many left, next week I will shop in japan again, but you want 2% can you wait again ?
>
>
>APS 4700pF  must be easy to find, what for are they?
>
>
>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-0047uF-4-7nF-4700pF-400V-2-5-Tol-ARCO-High-Quality-Capacitors-Qty-5-NOS-/110820397394?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item19cd691152
>
>
>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POLYSTYRENE-CAPACITORS-x70-2-5-TOLERANCE-4-7nF-4700pF-0-0047uF-/330688709206?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item4cfe954256
>
>
> POLYSTYRENE CAPACITORS (x70). 2.5% TOLERANCE. 4.7nF, 4700pF, 0.0047uF.
>
>
>
>
>Bala, knows a lot, He uses ZXL ,  I ask him some times,
>
>
>He said today on Nak talk,........ we should use  POLYSTYRENE 
>
>
>APS is made for been ACCURATE not  Tolerance only,
>
>
>I have from England SIVER MICA, very good sound with 2200pF 2% but 12mm leads 8mm high , 18mm long,
>
>
>than i have.
>
>
>APS 222 that is 2200 1%              !!!!!!!!! your dream!!!!
>
>
>APS 331 that is 330   5%
>
>
>
>
>APS PANASONIC SERIE 1200pF 63 VOLT ( okay for Naka )G that is 2% !!!
>
>
>
>
>Am 23.02.2012 um 10:01 schrieb bb:
>
>Hi everyone,
>>
>>I do confirm: late January, I went in the very same shop that    Gerhard told me about in Osaka, and indeed, they are the very same    that the original ones! you can simply visually verify that.
>>
>>However, Gerhard, I was not able to find the 2% tolerance following    ones (not enough free time to check all the shops there): 4x 4700 p,    1 x 2200 p, 1x 10000, 1x 330 p (all in 100 V,
 2% tolerance). Would    you be willing to sell me these 5 for me? 
>>
>>I have also a doubt about the value of the 2200 p one: it is    actually that labelled C516 on the ZX9 D/D Motor Control PCB ass'y.    Can someone confirm?
>>
>>Also, I have build a Excel file with a list of PP caps (orange caps)    in some decks. Is someone is interested in either checking the list    or upgrading it with other decks, let me know.
>>
>>Have a nice day
>>bernard
>>
>>
>>Le 22/02/2012 22:31, Gerhard Wartha a écrit : 
>>APSin          Japan,....... okay ? short  for 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>ACCURATE              POLYPROPYLENE SERIE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>regards
>>>
>>>
>>>Gerhard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Am 22.02.2012 um 20:29 schrieb Victor Gabrenas:
>>>
>>>Even better….How about                    “capacitor”?
>>>> 
>>>>From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of george valkov
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:12 PM
>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>>>> 
>>>>cAps,                  Gerhard, not cUps.
>>>>On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM,                    Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>                    wrote:
>>>>PP-cups in Nakamichis are                       100Volt Polypopelin cups.
>>>> 
>>>>used from Nakamichi in                        Oscillators or Filter.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>This orange cups are fame's                         to  many NAKAMICHI user.
>>>> 
>>>>Because this cups getting old                        and stop working   in many Decks.
>>>> 
>>>>If a Deck is not doing                        recordings, it is very often  just necessary  to                        replace them.
>>>> 
>>>>It is not a good Idea to use                        other, different , cups in that place. 
>>>> 
>>>>different cup, makes                        different sound
>>>> 
>>>>It is knows as  " Orange Cap                              Disease", more about                              on,.......
>>>> 
>>>>http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#CR-7%20High%20Res%20Play%20Azimuth%20Adjust
>>>> 
>>>>thank you Scott !
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>This cups, and a lot more of
>>>>Am 22.02.2012 um 17:37                            schrieb Bob Naylor:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I was going to help                                  you but I guess it's too late.
>>>>BTW, stupid                                 question, what are PP cups?
>>>>Bob N
>>>>
>>>>--- On Wed, 2/22/12, Rainer                                      & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/                                    and Ebay
>>>>To:
 "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette                                    Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>>Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012,                                    5:21 AM
>>>>Hi Gerhard,                                          I would sure help you but I                                          live in Canada and besides the                                          Meter sold.  I was looking at                                          the same meter last week but                                          couldn't buy from Canada                                          either. I am thinking of going                                          with this 220946410221  looks                                          good and has 2 channels but                                          don't know if the quality                                          would be good.
>>>> 
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Rainer
>>>> 
>>>>P.S.  If                                          you ever need a connection in                                          Canada let me know
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: Gerhard Wartha 
>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi                                          Cassette Decks 
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 22,                                          2012 2:21 AM
>>>>Subject: [naktalk] USA Member/                     
                     and Ebay
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi, Members  from USA,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I,am living in EU, Austria,                                          Vienna and  would like to buy                                          a SVVM meter who is with
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>BUY IT NOW on EBAY US.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>TRIO SSVM MODEL VT-104 AC                                          MILLIVOLT
 METER 
>>>> Etem Nr:290665408552
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This seller is not selling or                                          communicating outside USA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I can offer the member who is                                          doing this for me a set of                                          original, NEW , set of                                          PP-cups.
>>>>from the same Manufacture like                                          the
 cups  used from Nakamichi 
>>>>for his NAKAMICHI  ZX.                                           (except ZXL), 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I do have this cups, because I                                          did buy them in japan as New,                                          9 weeks ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This member, who is helping                                          me, needs to have  a pay pal                                          account.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I will pay the Item, shiping      
                                     within  USA, and  shipping to                                          europe.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I ám doing this because  in                                          Vienna there is the best way                                          to service the 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>collected  Deck´s by doing it                                          by my self.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This Member  should please                                          tell me the Deck
 he wants to                                          have the PP- cups for.
>>>>He is getting them for free.                                          inkl. shipping.
>>>>I have most of the Service                                          Manuals, i will look what cups                                          this Deck will be needing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Gerhard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
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PP caps are very good for their application base. Polystyrenes were limited in their use and were mainly in IF sections in radios. Nowadays, higher end tube equipment manufacturers go for them as well. 

I still suggest some of us get a handful and run some listening tests. I did mine and there is no going back to PP caps. But it's important to get a collective opinion here. Try re-capping the phono pre-amp first and see the result. 

Memory effects are part of the discharge characteristics of the cap and  this is where the variations in constructions and dielectric materials come into play. It definitely forms part of the aural characteristics of the cap. 

Bala 

Sent from my iPhone

On 24/02/2012, at 12:57 PM, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> A long time ago I read a study that compared film caps. These were not listening tests, 
> but measurements. The tested characteristic was 'memory', where a cap voltage starts 
> to increase after going to zero by a short discharge. This supposedly occurs due to 
> minute amounts of energy that remain stored in the dielectric. Also supposedly, this 
> effect is responsible for distortion in audio circuits. 
> 
> IIRC, PP caps were found to be the best in that regards, which is why I started to 
> use them in all my audio projects (including CR-7 EQ mods and Bugle phono 
> preamps), all which turned out to sound very good.
> 
> I don't recall whether Polystyrene caps were included in that study. 
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> 
> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
> 
> Hi Gerhard, 
> 
> I have encountered these Orange PP caps in other equipment such as tuners as well where they breakdown after over 30 year in service. It has to be expected because internally, all components experience wear. The APS sounds exciting, although PP caps are not the best in coupling capacitor types they are pretty good for what they cost. I hope to get a comparison between these and polystyrene ones. 
> 
> I have tried a other types and brands but I was not happy with the sound. Polystyrene ones sounded the best followed by PPs. While we are on this topic, it would be best to try different types around and see how they actually perform and sound. Bear in mind guys that the deck has to be (electronically) calibrate the deck every  time we change something. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Bala  
> 
> From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
> 
> Hi have:
> 
> APS 4x4700 j 5%,   not many left, next week I will shop in japan again, but you want 2% can you wait again ?
> 
> APS 4700pF  must be easy to find, what for are they?
> 
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-0047uF-4-7nF-4700pF-400V-2-5-Tol-ARCO-High-Quality-Capacitors-Qty-5-NOS-/110820397394?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item19cd691152
> 
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POLYSTYRENE-CAPACITORS-x70-2-5-TOLERANCE-4-7nF-4700pF-0-0047uF-/330688709206?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item4cfe954256
> 
>  
> POLYSTYRENE CAPACITORS (x70). 2.5% TOLERANCE. 4.7nF, 4700pF, 0.0047uF.
> 
> 
> 
> Bala, knows a lot, He uses ZXL ,  I ask him some times,
> 
> He said today on Nak talk,........ we should use  POLYSTYRENE 
> 
> APS is made for been ACCURATE not  Tolerance only,
> 
> I have from England SIVER MICA, very good sound with 2200pF 2% but 12mm leads 8mm high , 18mm long,
> 
> than i have.
> 
> APS 222 that is 2200 1%              !!!!!!!!! your dream!!!!
> 
> APS 331 that is 330   5%
> 
> 
> APS PANASONIC SERIE 1200pF 63 VOLT ( okay for Naka )G that is 2% !!!
> 
> 
> Am 23.02.2012 um 10:01 schrieb bb:
> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I do confirm: late January, I went in the very same shop that Gerhard told me about in Osaka, and indeed, they are the very same that the original ones! you can simply visually verify that.
>> 
>> However, Gerhard, I was not able to find the 2% tolerance following ones (not enough free time to check all the shops there): 4x 4700 p, 1 x 2200 p, 1x 10000, 1x 330 p (all in 100 V, 2% tolerance). Would you be willing to sell me these 5 for me? 
>> 
>> I have also a doubt about the value of the 2200 p one: it is actually that labelled C516 on the ZX9 D/D Motor Control PCB ass'y. Can someone confirm?
>> 
>> Also, I have build a Excel file with a list of PP caps (orange caps) in some decks. Is someone is interested in either checking the list or upgrading it with other decks, let me know.
>> 
>> Have a nice day
>> bernard
>> 
>> 
>> Le 22/02/2012 22:31, Gerhard Wartha a écrit :
>>> 
>>> APS in Japan,....... okay ? short  for
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ACCURATE POLYPROPYLENE SERIE
>>> 
>>> 
>>> regards
>>> 
>>> Gerhard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Am 22.02.2012 um 20:29 schrieb Victor Gabrenas:
>>> 
>>>> Even better….How about “capacitor”?
>>>>  
>>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of george valkov
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:12 PM
>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>>>>  
>>>> cAps, Gerhard, not cUps.
>>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> PP-cups in Nakamichis are  100Volt Polypopelin cups.
>>>>  
>>>> used from Nakamichi in Oscillators or Filter.
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> This orange cups are fame's  to  many NAKAMICHI user.
>>>>  
>>>> Because this cups getting old and stop working   in many Decks.
>>>>  
>>>> If a Deck is not doing recordings, it is very often  just necessary  to replace them.
>>>>  
>>>> It is not a good Idea to use other, different , cups in that place. 
>>>>  
>>>> different cup, makes different sound
>>>>  
>>>> It is knows as  " Orange Cap Disease", more about on,.......
>>>>  
>>>> http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#CR-7%20High%20Res%20Play%20Azimuth%20Adjust
>>>>  
>>>> thank you Scott !
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> This cups, and a lot more of
>>>> Am 22.02.2012 um 17:37 schrieb Bob Naylor:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I was going to help you but I guess it's too late.
>>>> BTW, stupid question, what are PP cups?
>>>> Bob N
>>>> 
>>>> --- On Wed, 2/22/12, Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] USA Member/ and Ebay
>>>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Fri Feb 24 09:02:08 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:02:08 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] "passive " Parts
Message-ID: <12B228FE-2CBA-4E98-A046-5556673953DF@gmail.com>

Hi, Bala,

I can not imagine that  a   NAKAMICHI  Deck sounds better than a  
calibrate and aligned one.

How could I ? because the are sounding like the vinyl from a good  
tunable.

Some times the NAKAMICHI sound better than  Music coming from the  
Computer.
because of tape " verdichtung " in english  that would be  
tape.Compression.

A Friend, he is Musician  told me that  they use a new machine in the  
recording Studio.
They recording will be made digital, put later the make
analog recording and playback on a tape. To get a better sound with
this tape-compression.

This recording Studio is doing this because it is less expensive than  
doing all the Music recordings
analogue only.

If I have to do Service in a Nakamichi Deck it takes quit a long time.
It takes time to work on, and  get parts, even when the are only  
passive electronic Components.


It is not easy to try out new capacitors with different sounds.

If you have this experience we all can learn from you.

But most of the repairing people just use  ANY capacitor anywhere in  
the Deck to get it on the
run again.

With WIMAR MKS Capacitors  in the rec. amp and all over.

Last week I was trying to buy Nichicon Gold Low ESR Electrolytic  
Cups,  0,47uF and 0,68uF, for the ZXL. CPU

In the biggest shop in europe  named CONRAT,

The selling man told me I should use ceramic  caps! I did not ! That  
was easy.

What ever we  use on new , or different in the Deck we need two of  
the Decks in perfect Condition, leaving it open,

for a long time of testing periods.

Nakamichi Recherche has done this for "us "......  I  just restore  
the Decks.

like to use , " same " similar, or better parts, with the same  
Character like

the Accuracy  from APS ,..... orange capacitors,....

If I use the same parts, It is the safest way to me.

Regards

Gerhard


From ryanuys at gam.co.za  Fri Feb 24 10:46:48 2012
From: ryanuys at gam.co.za (Ryan Uys)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:46:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 2-1-2012   NEW SERVICE OFFERED BY MARRS
In-Reply-To: <4F3D38E2.2@marrscom.com>
References: <4F3D38E2.2@marrscom.com>
Message-ID: <4F475C88.50008@gam.co.za>

Hi Fred,

I know you stated that you do not sell the manuals seprarately, but I 
recently bought belt kits from you for both my Nak 680ZX and my sony TCK81.

I was hoping I might still qualify to buy the manuals (especially for 
the Nak)

Thanks, Ryan

On 16/02/2012 19:12, fred at marrscom.com wrote:
> 2-1-2012
>
>
> NEW SERVICE OFFERED BY MARRS
>
> ( THE TRUTH )
>
> About "step by step"
>
>
>
> BELT REPLACEMENT INSTRUCTIONS on CASSETTE DECKS
>
>
>
>
> Cassette Deck Belt Customers, are being Mislead about "step by step"
>
> Belt Replacement instructions, by "Other" Belt Sellers.
>
>
>
> Factory Service Manuals for all Brand, do NOT give step
>
> by step instructions. Factory Service Manuals are intended for
>
> use by Professional Service Centers, so step by step is not necessary.
>
>
>
>
> Service Manuals Will give you "Exploded" views of the Transport, which
>
> helps to figure out what goes where, in addition to Electrical and
>
> Tape Head alignment instructions.
>
>
>
> Many Belt Sellers " imply " they are furnishing you with step by step
>
> instructions. NOT TRUE.
>
>
> In response to their misleading offer, I have COPIES of Factory 
> Service Manuals
>
> for Most Brands, in PDF format. Any customer that Purchases a kit,
>
> is eligible to purchase a Service Manual for just $12.00.
>
> You will receive the Complete Manual, not just the exploded views !
>
>
> $12.00 is Much Less than purchasing the Manual from a Manual Provider.
>
>
>
> If your Purchase of a Kit, is predicated on Marrs having the manual for
>
> your Brand and Model, you must email PRIOR to making your Purchase,
>
> making sure I have your Manual, " If you feel you must have one ".
>
>
>
>
> Service Manuals are provided as a "Service " by Marrs Communications.
>
>
> NOTE:
>
> I am NOT is the Manual Business !
>
> I will NOT sell the Manual Alone !
>
> I will NOT Make or Sell Hard Copies !
>
>
>
>
> The question about replacement instructions comes up daily.
>
>
> I want my Potential Customers to know, Other Belt Sellers are not being
>
> completely truthful about what they are sending you.
>
>
>
> Fred M.
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From patty at jbrudy.com  Fri Feb 24 12:36:14 2012
From: patty at jbrudy.com (patty at jbrudy.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 04:36:14 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] ***Please Read***OUT OF THE OFFICE
Message-ID: <d94d4f13b4c142d4be280bfb0af8a7a4@625d8d4eb2df452a8e243ea49b90fdec>

I WILL BE OUT OF THE OFFICE 2/23/12 AND RETURNING ON 2/24/12.  

PLEASE CONTACT JANILLE IN CUSTOMER SERVICE IF CHECKING ON PURCHASE ORDERS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING YOUR ORDER.
PLEASE CALL THE OFFICE IF YOU ARE PLACING AN ORDER (800) 832-6969

SINCERELY,
PATTY






From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 24 22:49:14 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:49:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] "passive " Parts
In-Reply-To: <12B228FE-2CBA-4E98-A046-5556673953DF@gmail.com>
References: <12B228FE-2CBA-4E98-A046-5556673953DF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1330120154.5404.YahooMailNeo@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Gerhard, 

You must understand that as an instrument, Nakamichi equipment is not perfect. It has been built not only to a minimum spec and standard, but also to a certain cost and manufacturing realities. The question is what we do and how we can do it. Naks are such good machines that yes they sound almost as good as vinyl (and way better then CDs and other digital media). 

I am a little surprised at the added complexity in the workflow because a a good reel to reel still is better then many digital workstations and has a more simpler workflow. Of course it takes away some of the conveniences that the engineers of today are used to but think about this - most of the songs we all love till the mid to late 80s were done on tape. We may be buying super high resolution HD downloads and all that, but the master element that captured it was the tape. 

Today, with better understanding,  the advent of much better components and retrospect, we have the opportunity to give our equipment a new and better life. To hear them like never before. It is a game of patience where we not simply swap components, but let them settle in, burn in a little and understand their sonic character and decide if it sounds right. The instruments on my bench tell me many things in a couple of hours. But I also like to take weeks to listen and feel the sound. Great brands (when they were great) did this on a grand scale - they called it voicing. Which adds to development time and cost but delivered great sounding products that became references. 

To give you an example, an engineer who produced two of the best solid state FM tuners of all time built his own versions using vacuum tubes! One of it was also battery powered. Imagine how they must have sounded! But the final production units that the world came to know and love were solid state and still very good! And yet, until today, 30 years after their introduction, they are being worked on and improved and refined. 

Audio itself is a game of patience and it involves plenty of listening. I greatly encourage everyone to play around and learn and experience. Try ceramic caps as well and understand the sound. I have run one of my ZXLs with many types of caps before settling for one type. Audio is a journey Gerhard, and there is no final destination. It's the journey that is beautiful. 

I of course would love to share my experience with anyone. 

Bala 



From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:02 PM
Subject: [naktalk] "passive " Parts
 
Hi, Bala,

I can not imagine that  a   NAKAMICHI  Deck sounds better than a calibrate and aligned one.

How could I ? because the are sounding like the vinyl from a good tunable.

Some times the NAKAMICHI sound better than  Music coming from the Computer.
because of tape " verdichtung " in english  that would be tape.Compression.

A Friend, he is Musician  told me that  they use a new machine in the recording Studio.
They recording will be made digital, put later the make
analog recording and playback on a tape. To get a better sound with
this tape-compression.

This recording Studio is doing this because it is less expensive than doing all the Music recordings
analogue only.

If I have to do Service in a Nakamichi Deck it takes quit a long time.
It takes time to work on, and  get parts, even when the are only passive electronic Components.


It is not easy to try out new capacitors with different sounds.

If you have this experience we all can learn from you.

But most of the repairing people just use  ANY capacitor anywhere in the Deck to get it on the
run again.

With WIMAR MKS Capacitors  in the rec. amp and all over.

Last week I was trying to buy Nichicon Gold Low ESR Electrolytic Cups,  0,47uF and 0,68uF, for the ZXL. CPU

In the biggest shop in europe  named CONRAT,

The selling man told me I should use ceramic  caps! I did not ! That was easy.

What ever we  use on new , or different in the Deck we need two of the Decks in perfect Condition, leaving it open,

for a long time of testing periods.

Nakamichi Recherche has done this for "us "......  I  just restore the Decks.

like to use , " same " similar, or better parts, with the same Character like

the Accuracy  from APS ,..... orange capacitors,....

If I use the same parts, It is the safest way to me.

Regards

Gerhard
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From chapman.w2 at sky.com  Fri Feb 24 23:58:21 2012
From: chapman.w2 at sky.com (John Chapman)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 22:58:21 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] "passive " Parts
In-Reply-To: <1330120154.5404.YahooMailNeo@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <12B228FE-2CBA-4E98-A046-5556673953DF@gmail.com>
	<1330120154.5404.YahooMailNeo@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0FC4F3CA-F5BB-45BD-9C79-33F07119FC5D@sky.com>

Very fine words Bala. I have a docet lector cd player, a zx7, an akai. Gx 635, garrard 401/sme and leak    Trough line from 1960 - I choose the order in ascending order of audio excellence, assuming the best of sources . It's a valve tuner of course said to be the best in the world.   

I have a docet lector cd player, with lots of tweaks, telefunken valves etc but can not come near the zx7 mostly because the cd simply does not contain the full story - its all chopped up bits of the real thing,     

So valves are great but unless you have an analogue source you won't really hear the music. A live broadcast recorded on the akai or zx7 via the leak beats any vinyl, however,  for transparency and dynamics. Long live fm. Add in cassette convenience and the nak wins in the end.

Regards 

John chapman

Www. Architecturalsolution.co.uk

Sent from my iPhone


On 24 Feb 2012, at 21:49, Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Gerhard, 
> 
> You must understand that as an instrument, Nakamichi equipment is not perfect. It has been built not only to a minimum spec and standard, but also to a certain cost and manufacturing realities. The question is what we do and how we can do it. Naks are such good machines that yes they sound almost as good as vinyl (and way better then CDs and other digital media). 
> 
> I am a little surprised at the added complexity in the workflow because a a good reel to reel still is better then many digital workstations and has a more simpler workflow. Of course it takes away some of the conveniences that the engineers of today are used to but think about this - most of the songs we all love till the mid to late 80s were done on tape. We may be buying super high resolution HD downloads and all that, but the master element that captured it was the tape. 
> 
> Today, with better understanding,  the advent of much better components and retrospect, we have the opportunity to give our equipment a new and better life. To hear them like never before. It is a game of patience where we not simply swap components, but let them settle in, burn in a little and understand their sonic character and decide if it sounds right. The instruments on my bench tell me many things in a couple of hours. But I also like to take weeks to listen and feel the sound. Great brands (when they were great) did this on a grand scale - they called it voicing. Which adds to development time and cost but delivered great sounding products that became references. 
> 
> To give you an example, an engineer who produced two of the best solid state FM tuners of all time built his own versions using vacuum tubes! One of it was also battery powered. Imagine how they must have sounded! But the final production units that the world came to know and love were solid state and still very good! And yet, until today, 30 years after their introduction, they are being worked on and improved and refined. 
> 
> Audio itself is a game of patience and it involves plenty of listening. I greatly encourage everyone to play around and learn and experience. Try ceramic caps as well and understand the sound. I have run one of my ZXLs with many types of caps before settling for one type. Audio is a journey Gerhard, and there is no final destination. It's the journey that is beautiful. 
> 
> I of course would love to share my experience with anyone. 
> 
> Bala 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:02 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] "passive " Parts
> 
> Hi, Bala,
> 
> I can not imagine that  a  NAKAMICHI  Deck sounds better than a calibrate and aligned one.
> 
> How could I ? because the are sounding like the vinyl from a good tunable.
> 
> Some times the NAKAMICHI sound better than  Music coming from the Computer.
> because of tape " verdichtung " in english  that would be tape.Compression.
> 
> A Friend, he is Musician  told me that  they use a new machine in the recording Studio.
> They recording will be made digital, put later the make
> analog recording and playback on a tape. To get a better sound with
> this tape-compression.
> 
> This recording Studio is doing this because it is less expensive than doing all the Music recordings
> analogue only.
> 
> If I have to do Service in a Nakamichi Deck it takes quit a long time.
> It takes time to work on, and  get parts, even when the are only passive electronic Components.
> 
> 
> It is not easy to try out new capacitors with different sounds.
> 
> If you have this experience we all can learn from you.
> 
> But most of the repairing people just use  ANY capacitor anywhere in the Deck to get it on the
> run again.
> 
> With WIMAR MKS Capacitors  in the rec. amp and all over.
> 
> Last week I was trying to buy Nichicon Gold Low ESR Electrolytic Cups,  0,47uF and 0,68uF, for the ZXL. CPU
> 
> In the biggest shop in europe  named CONRAT,
> 
> The selling man told me I should use ceramic  caps! I did not ! That was easy.
> 
> What ever we  use on new , or different in the Deck we need two of the Decks in perfect Condition, leaving it open,
> 
> for a long time of testing periods.
> 
> Nakamichi Recherche has done this for "us "......  I  just restore the Decks.
> 
> like to use , " same " similar, or better parts, with the same Character like
> 
> the Accuracy  from APS ,..... orange capacitors,....
> 
> If I use the same parts, It is the safest way to me.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Gerhard
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 25 17:06:05 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:06:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] "passive " Parts
In-Reply-To: <0FC4F3CA-F5BB-45BD-9C79-33F07119FC5D@sky.com>
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John,

Found your post interesting, especially the order of excellence level you assigned to 

your components, with the Garrard 401/SME near the top. One of my current projects 

(I always have a few in process, but this is foremost, right now) is putting together a 

turntable, using a Garrard 401 motor unit, an SME 3009 Series III tonearm and a 

Shure 15VxMR cartridge. I am in the process of designing/implementing a couple of 

mods to the Garrard 401, having to do with, first, running my English version off 60Hz 

(including getting the 50Hz platter strobe marks to display correctly) and, second, to 

add auto shutoff (I hate to think of an expensive stylus getting ground to dust because 

I neglected to turn the deck off at the end of an LP). I've got the circuit design done, 

and the PCB built. I'm about half done with testing. Concurrently, I also just started 

to build the plinth. 

Did you get your Garrard 401 all ready to play, or did you put it together yourself? If the 

latter, maybe we can chat about your experience. I'll also appreciate your comments 

pertaining to sonic quality. This will replace a Dual 5000 (a really nice turntable) and 

I'm wondering what sort of improvement, if any, should I expect.

Cheers,


-- Ron






>________________________________
> From: John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com>
>To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about NakamichiCassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:58 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] "passive " Parts
> 
>
>Very fine words Bala. I have a docet lector cd player, a zx7, an akai. Gx 635, garrard 401/sme and leak    Trough line from 1960 - I choose the order in ascending order of audio excellence, assuming the best of sources . It's a valve tuner of course said to be the best in the world.   
>
>
>I have a docet lector cd player, with lots of tweaks, telefunken valves etc but can not come near the zx7 mostly because the cd simply does not contain the full story - its all chopped up bits of the real thing,     
>
>So valves are great but unless you have an analogue source you won't really hear the music. A live broadcast recorded on the akai or zx7 via the leak beats any vinyl, however,  for transparency and dynamics. Long live fm. Add in cassette convenience and the nak wins in the end.
>
>Regards 
>
>
>John chapman
>
>
>Www. Architecturalsolution.co.uk
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>On 24 Feb 2012, at 21:49, Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>Hi Gerhard, 
>>
>>
>>You must understand that as an instrument, Nakamichi equipment is not perfect. It has been built not only to a minimum spec and standard, but also to a certain cost and manufacturing realities. The question is what we do and how we can do it. Naks are such good machines that yes they sound almost as good as vinyl (and way better then CDs and other digital media). 
>>
>>
>>I am a little surprised at the added complexity in the workflow because a a good reel to reel still is better then many digital workstations and has a more simpler workflow. Of course it takes away some of the conveniences that the engineers of today are used to but think about this - most of the songs we all love till the mid to late 80s were done on tape. We may be buying super high resolution HD downloads and all that, but the master element that captured it was the tape. 
>>
>>
>>Today, with better understanding,  the advent of much better components and retrospect, we have the opportunity to give our equipment a new and better life. To hear them like never before. It is a game of patience where we not simply swap components, but let them settle in, burn in a little and understand their sonic character and decide if it sounds right. The instruments on my bench tell me many things in a couple of hours. But I also like to take weeks to listen and feel the sound. Great brands (when they were great) did this on a grand scale - they called it voicing. Which adds to development time and cost but delivered great sounding products that became references. 
>>
>>
>>To give you an example, an engineer who produced two of the best solid state FM tuners of all time built his own versions using vacuum tubes! One of it was also battery powered. Imagine how they must have sounded! But the final production units that the world came to know and love were solid state and still very good! And yet, until today, 30 years after their introduction, they are being worked on and improved and refined. 
>>
>>
>>Audio itself is a game of patience and it involves plenty of listening. I greatly encourage everyone to play around and learn and experience. Try ceramic caps as well and understand the sound. I have run one of my ZXLs with many types of caps before settling for one type. Audio is a journey Gerhard, and there is no final destination. It's the journey that is beautiful. 
>>
>>
>>I of course would love to share my experience with anyone. 
>>
>>
>>Bala 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>>Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:02 PM
>>Subject: [naktalk] "passive " Parts
>> 
>>Hi, Bala,
>>
>>I can not imagine that  a   NAKAMICHI  Deck sounds better than a calibrate and aligned one.
>>
>>How could I ? because the are sounding like the vinyl from a good tunable.
>>
>>Some times the NAKAMICHI sound better than  Music coming from the Computer.
>>because of tape " verdichtung " in english  that would be tape.Compression.
>>
>>A Friend, he is Musician  told me that  they use a new machine in the recording Studio.
>>They recording will be made digital, put later the make
>>analog recording and playback on a tape. To get a better sound with
>>this tape-compression.
>>
>>This recording Studio is doing this because it is less expensive than doing all the Music recordings
>>analogue only.
>>
>>If I have to do Service in a Nakamichi Deck it takes quit a long time.
>>It takes time to work on, and  get parts, even when the are only passive electronic Components.
>>
>>
>>It is not
 easy to try out new capacitors with different sounds.
>>
>>If you have this experience we all can learn from you.
>>
>>But most of the repairing people just use  ANY capacitor anywhere in the Deck to get it on the
>>run again.
>>
>>With WIMAR MKS Capacitors  in the rec. amp and all over.
>>
>>Last week I was trying to buy Nichicon Gold Low ESR Electrolytic Cups,  0,47uF and 0,68uF, for the ZXL. CPU
>>
>>In the biggest shop in europe  named CONRAT,
>>
>>The selling man told me I should use ceramic  caps! I did not ! That was easy.
>>
>>What ever we  use on new , or different in the Deck we need two of the Decks in perfect Condition, leaving it open,
>>
>>for a long time of testing periods.
>>
>>Nakamichi Recherche has done this for "us "......  I  just restore the Decks.
>>
>>like to use , " same " similar, or better parts, with the same Character like
>>
>>the Accuracy  from APS ,.....
 orange capacitors,....
>>
>>If I use the same parts, It is the safest way to me.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Gerhard
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 25 18:27:30 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:27:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] "passive " Parts
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Thank You John. You have great equipment and each is an example of a fine engineering. The Leak Troughline is a very good tuner, although there are a few contenders for the 'best' throne, including the Marantz 10B, McIntosh MR67B and MR71, Scott  and Fischer amongst others. It however is a time classic in the sense that it shines through even in this day and age as a well engineered equipment. 

The Garrard 401 is a beautiful player and a reliable machine. What arm are you using with this beauty?

Your line-up reminds me of how one can achieve so much aural bliss without having to shell mega-dollars. I try my best to get good music in my car by running FLAC files off my iPhone, but after a while the ears start to get fatigue. Analogue is the medicine my ears need and cassettes are so convenient. 

Regards, 
Bala 


________________________________
 From: John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com>
To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about NakamichiCassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] "passive " Parts
 

Very fine words Bala. I have a docet lector cd player, a zx7, an akai. Gx 635, garrard 401/sme and leak    Trough line from 1960 - I choose the order in ascending order of audio excellence, assuming the best of sources . It's a valve tuner of course said to be the best in the world.   

I have a docet lector cd player, with lots of tweaks, telefunken valves etc but can not come near the zx7 mostly because the cd simply does not contain the full story - its all chopped up bits of the real thing,     

So valves are great but unless you have an analogue source you won't really hear the music. A live broadcast recorded on the akai or zx7 via the leak beats any vinyl, however,  for transparency and dynamics. Long live fm. Add in cassette convenience and the nak wins in the end.

Regards 

John chapman

Www. Architecturalsolution.co.uk

Sent from my iPhone


On 24 Feb 2012, at 21:49, Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:


Hi Gerhard, 
>
>
>You must understand that as an instrument, Nakamichi equipment is not perfect. It has been built not only to a minimum spec and standard, but also to a certain cost and manufacturing realities. The question is what we do and how we can do it. Naks are such good machines that yes they sound almost as good as vinyl (and way better then CDs and other digital media). 
>
>
>I am a little surprised at the added complexity in the workflow because a a good reel to reel still is better then many digital workstations and has a more simpler workflow. Of course it takes away some of the conveniences that the engineers of today are used to but think about this - most of the songs we all love till the mid to late 80s were done on tape. We may be buying super high resolution HD downloads and all that, but the master element that captured it was the tape. 
>
>
>Today, with better understanding,  the advent of much better components and retrospect, we have the opportunity to give our equipment a new and better life. To hear them like never before. It is a game of patience where we not simply swap components, but let them settle in, burn in a little and understand their sonic character and decide if it sounds right. The instruments on my bench tell me many things in a couple of hours. But I also like to take weeks to listen and feel the sound. Great brands (when they were great) did this on a grand scale - they called it voicing. Which adds to development time and cost but delivered great sounding products that became references. 
>
>
>To give you an example, an engineer who produced two of the best solid state FM tuners of all time built his own versions using vacuum tubes! One of it was also battery powered. Imagine how they must have sounded! But the final production units that the world came to know and love were solid state and still very good! And yet, until today, 30 years after their introduction, they are being worked on and improved and refined. 
>
>
>Audio itself is a game of patience and it involves plenty of listening. I greatly encourage everyone to play around and learn and experience. Try ceramic caps as well and understand the sound. I have run one of my ZXLs with many types of caps before settling for one type. Audio is a journey Gerhard, and there is no final destination. It's the journey that is beautiful. 
>
>
>I of course would love to share my experience with anyone. 
>
>
>Bala 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:02 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] "passive " Parts
> 
>Hi, Bala,
>
>I can not imagine that  a   NAKAMICHI  Deck sounds better than a calibrate and aligned one.
>
>How could I ? because the are sounding like the vinyl from a good tunable.
>
>Some times the NAKAMICHI sound better than  Music coming from the Computer.
>because of tape " verdichtung " in english  that would be tape.Compression.
>
>A Friend, he is Musician  told me that  they use a new machine in the recording Studio.
>They recording will be made digital, put later the make
>analog recording and playback on a tape. To get a better sound with
>this tape-compression.
>
>This recording Studio is doing this because it is less expensive than doing all the Music recordings
>analogue only.
>
>If I have to do Service in a Nakamichi Deck it takes quit a long time.
>It takes time to work on, and  get parts, even when the are only passive electronic Components.
>
>
>It is not
 easy to try out new capacitors with different sounds.
>
>If you have this experience we all can learn from you.
>
>But most of the repairing people just use  ANY capacitor anywhere in the Deck to get it on the
>run again.
>
>With WIMAR MKS Capacitors  in the rec. amp and all over.
>
>Last week I was trying to buy Nichicon Gold Low ESR Electrolytic Cups,  0,47uF and 0,68uF, for the ZXL. CPU
>
>In the biggest shop in europe  named CONRAT,
>
>The selling man told me I should use ceramic  caps! I did not ! That was easy.
>
>What ever we  use on new , or different in the Deck we need two of the Decks in perfect Condition, leaving it open,
>
>for a long time of testing periods.
>
>Nakamichi Recherche has done this for "us "......  I  just restore the Decks.
>
>like to use , " same " similar, or better parts, with the same Character like
>
>the Accuracy  from APS ,.....
 orange capacitors,....
>
>If I use the same parts, It is the safest way to me.
>
>Regards
>
>Gerhard
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Sat Feb 25 14:46:09 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:46:09 -0200
Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] "passive " Parts
In-Reply-To: <1330120154.5404.YahooMailNeo@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E5AB@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Hi Bala,
As a music enthusiast and ano electronic engineer (or simply technician...) I have to compliment you on your text so full of common sense and sensibility it almost sounds like a poem.
Reading your emails and those of the most active part of the forum makes my days even more enjoyable!
Please accept my humble compliments to you, Bala, and to all Naktalk contributing members.
Sincerely,
Rodrigo Krause
(From Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and a Nak lover)

________________________________

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Fri Feb 24 19:49:14 2012
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] "passive " Parts 


Hi Gerhard, 


You must understand that as an instrument, Nakamichi equipment is not perfect. It has been built not only to a minimum spec and standard, but also to a certain cost and manufacturing realities. The question is what we do and how we can do it. Naks are such good machines that yes they sound almost as good as vinyl (and way better then CDs and other digital media). 

I am a little surprised at the added complexity in the workflow because a a good reel to reel still is better then many digital workstations and has a more simpler workflow. Of course it takes away some of the conveniences that the engineers of today are used to but think about this - most of the songs we all love till the mid to late 80s were done on tape. We may be buying super high resolution HD downloads and all that, but the master element that captured it was the tape. 

Today, with better understanding,  the advent of much better components and retrospect, we have the opportunity to give our equipment a new and better life. To hear them like never before. It is a game of patience where we not simply swap components, but let them settle in, burn in a little and understand their sonic character and decide if it sounds right. The instruments on my bench tell me many things in a couple of hours. But I also like to take weeks to listen and feel the sound. Great brands (when they were great) did this on a grand scale - they called it voicing. Which adds to development time and cost but delivered great sounding products that became references. 

To give you an example, an engineer who produced two of the best solid state FM tuners of all time built his own versions using vacuum tubes! One of it was also battery powered. Imagine how they must have sounded! But the final production units that the world came to know and love were solid state and still very good! And yet, until today, 30 years after their introduction, they are being worked on and improved and refined. 

Audio itself is a game of patience and it involves plenty of listening. I greatly encourage everyone to play around and learn and experience. Try ceramic caps as well and understand the sound. I have run one of my ZXLs with many types of caps before settling for one type. Audio is a journey Gerhard, and there is no final destination. It's the journey that is beautiful. 

I of course would love to share my experience with anyone. 

Bala 



From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:02 PM
Subject: [naktalk] "passive " Parts


Hi, Bala,

I can not imagine that  a  NAKAMICHI  Deck sounds better than a calibrate and aligned one.

How could I ? because the are sounding like the vinyl from a good tunable.

Some times the NAKAMICHI sound better than  Music coming from the Computer.
because of tape " verdichtung " in english  that would be tape.Compression.

A Friend, he is Musician  told me that  they use a new machine in the recording Studio.
They recording will be made digital, put later the make
analog recording and playback on a tape. To get a better sound with
this tape-compression.

This recording Studio is doing this because it is less expensive than doing all the Music recordings
analogue only.

If I have to do Service in a Nakamichi Deck it takes quit a long time.
It takes time to work on, and  get parts, even when the are only passive electronic Components.


It is not easy to try out new capacitors with different sounds.

If you have this experience we all can learn from you.

But most of the repairing people just use  ANY capacitor anywhere in the Deck to get it on the
run again.

With WIMAR MKS Capacitors  in the rec. amp and all over.

Last week I was trying to buy Nichicon Gold Low ESR Electrolytic Cups,  0,47uF and 0,68uF, for the ZXL. CPU

In the biggest shop in europe  named CONRAT,

The selling man told me I should use ceramic  caps! I did not ! That was easy.

What ever we  use on new , or different in the Deck we need two of the Decks in perfect Condition, leaving it open,

for a long time of testing periods.

Nakamichi Recherche has done this for "us "......  I  just restore the Decks.

like to use , " same " similar, or better parts, with the same Character like

the Accuracy  from APS ,..... orange capacitors,....

If I use the same parts, It is the safest way to me.

Regards

Gerhard
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Sat Feb 25 19:02:30 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 12:02:30 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] "passive " Parts
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Bala, you need a Nak in your car. One of the big reasons I am in this hobby is to be able to keep playing cassettes in my vehicle.  :)

Cheers,
Rainer


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bala Ganesh Chandra 
  To: John Chapman ; Talk about NakamichiCassette Decks 
  Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] "passive " Parts


  Thank You John. You have great equipment and each is an example of a fine engineering. The Leak Troughline is a very good tuner, although there are a few contenders for the 'best' throne, including the Marantz 10B, McIntosh MR67B and MR71, Scott  and Fischer amongst others. It however is a time classic in the sense that it shines through even in this day and age as a well engineered equipment. 


  The Garrard 401 is a beautiful player and a reliable machine. What arm are you using with this beauty?


  Your line-up reminds me of how one can achieve so much aural bliss without having to shell mega-dollars. I try my best to get good music in my car by running FLAC files off my iPhone, but after a while the ears start to get fatigue. Analogue is the medicine my ears need and cassettes are so convenient. 


  Regards, 
  Bala 



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  From: John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com>
  To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about NakamichiCassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
  Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] "passive " Parts



  Very fine words Bala. I have a docet lector cd player, a zx7, an akai.. Gx 635, garrard 401/sme and leak    Trough line from 1960 - I choose the order in ascending order of audio excellence, assuming the best of sources . It's a valve tuner of course said to be the best in the world.   


  I have a docet lector cd player, with lots of tweaks, telefunken valves etc but can not come near the zx7 mostly because the cd simply does not contain the full story - its all chopped up bits of the real thing,     

  So valves are great but unless you have an analogue source you won't really hear the music. A live broadcast recorded on the akai or zx7 via the leak beats any vinyl, however,  for transparency and dynamics. Long live fm. Add in cassette convenience and the nak wins in the end.

  Regards 


  John chapman


  Www. Architecturalsolution.co.uk


  Sent from my iPhone



  On 24 Feb 2012, at 21:49, Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:


    Hi Gerhard, 


    You must understand that as an instrument, Nakamichi equipment is not perfect. It has been built not only to a minimum spec and standard, but also to a certain cost and manufacturing realities. The question is what we do and how we can do it. Naks are such good machines that yes they sound almost as good as vinyl (and way better then CDs and other digital media). 


    I am a little surprised at the added complexity in the workflow because a a good reel to reel still is better then many digital workstations and has a more simpler workflow. Of course it takes away some of the conveniences that the engineers of today are used to but think about this - most of the songs we all love till the mid to late 80s were done on tape. We may be buying super high resolution HD downloads and all that, but the master element that captured it was the tape. 


    Today, with better understanding,  the advent of much better components and retrospect, we have the opportunity to give our equipment a new and better life. To hear them like never before. It is a game of patience where we not simply swap components, but let them settle in, burn in a little and understand their sonic character and decide if it sounds right. The instruments on my bench tell me many things in a couple of hours. But I also like to take weeks to listen and feel the sound. Great brands (when they were great) did this on a grand scale - they called it voicing. Which adds to development time and cost but delivered great sounding products that became references. 


    To give you an example, an engineer who produced two of the best solid state FM tuners of all time built his own versions using vacuum tubes! One of it was also battery powered. Imagine how they must have sounded! But the final production units that the world came to know and love were solid state and still very good! And yet, until today, 30 years after their introduction, they are being worked on and improved and refined. 


    Audio itself is a game of patience and it involves plenty of listening. I greatly encourage everyone to play around and learn and experience. Try ceramic caps as well and understand the sound. I have run one of my ZXLs with many types of caps before settling for one type. Audio is a journey Gerhard, and there is no final destination. It's the journey that is beautiful. 


    I of course would love to share my experience with anyone. 


    Bala 






    From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
    Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:02 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] "passive " Parts


    Hi, Bala,

    I can not imagine that  a  NAKAMICHI  Deck sounds better than a calibrate and aligned one.

    How could I ? because the are sounding like the vinyl from a good tunable.

    Some times the NAKAMICHI sound better than  Music coming from the Computer.
    because of tape " verdichtung " in english  that would be tape.Compression.

    A Friend, he is Musician  told me that  they use a new machine in the recording Studio.
    They recording will be made digital, put later the make
    analog recording and playback on a tape. To get a better sound with
    this tape-compression.

    This recording Studio is doing this because it is less expensive than doing all the Music recordings
    analogue only.

    If I have to do Service in a Nakamichi Deck it takes quit a long time.
    It takes time to work on, and  get parts, even when the are only passive electronic Components.


    It is not easy to try out new capacitors with different sounds.

    If you have this experience we all can learn from you.

    But most of the repairing people just use  ANY capacitor anywhere in the Deck to get it on the
    run again.

    With WIMAR MKS Capacitors  in the rec. amp and all over.

    Last week I was trying to buy Nichicon Gold Low ESR Electrolytic Cups,  0,47uF and 0,68uF, for the ZXL. CPU

    In the biggest shop in europe  named CONRAT,

    The selling man told me I should use ceramic  caps! I did not ! That was easy.

    What ever we  use on new , or different in the Deck we need two of the Decks in perfect Condition, leaving it open,

    for a long time of testing periods.

    Nakamichi Recherche has done this for "us "......  I  just restore the Decks.

    like to use , " same " similar, or better parts, with the same Character like

    the Accuracy  from APS ,..... orange capacitors,....

    If I use the same parts, It is the safest way to me.

    Regards

    Gerhard
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From dawhoking at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 22:00:31 2012
From: dawhoking at gmail.com (Matt Whipple)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:00:31 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Capstans
Message-ID: <CAH6o5GtW=AkwEGjbuLyd5LbrTnAUrv1PTPZ1zkGiTP1dnaJVYA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Having an issue with my Dragon.  The capstans stop spinning after an hour
or so, sometimes less.  If I turn off the unit for a while and turn it back
on, the capstans spin again.

Any ideas or help on how to resolve this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Matt
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From fred at marrscom.com  Mon Feb 27 15:12:52 2012
From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 08:12:52 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 2-27-12 SERVICE MANUALS
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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 27 18:41:15 2012
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:41:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] "passive " Parts
In-Reply-To: <001801ccf3e7$a52f7ed0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>
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Rainer, Which do you prefer for playback in your vehicle between the older Nak eq or the newer eq?Back a few years ago when I had cassette in my car, I felt the "normal" bias/120 usec eq sounded much better than type 2 tapes at 70usec even though the player had the CrO2 eq setting.  Maybe it was the car's system (factory corvette Bose from 1991) but I couldn't tell any difference between recordings from my CD-1 or ZX-7.  All only sounded acceptable at best but sounded fantastic in the house.Bob N


 
 



Bala, you need a Nak in your car. One of the big reasons I am 
in this hobby is to be able to keep playing cassettes in my vehicle.  
:)
 
Cheers,
Rainer
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 

  From: 
  Bala Ganesh 
  Chandra 
  To: John Chapman ; Talk about NakamichiCassette Decks 
  Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:27 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] "passive " 
  Parts
  

  
  Thank You John. You have great equipment and each is an example of 
  a fine engineering. The Leak Troughline is a very good tuner, although there 
  are a few contenders for the 'best' throne, including the Marantz 10B, 
  McIntosh MR67B and MR71, Scott  and Fischer amongst others. It however is 
  a time classic in the sense that it shines through even in this day and age as 
  a well engineered equipment. 
  

  The Garrard 401 is a beautiful player and a reliable machine. What 
  arm are you using with this beauty?
  

  Your line-up reminds me of how one can achieve so much aural bliss 
  without having to shell mega-dollars. I try my best to get good music in my 
  car by running FLAC files off my iPhone, but after a while the ears start to 
  get fatigue. Analogue is the medicine my ears need and cassettes are so 
  convenient. 
  

  Regards, 
  Bala 
  

  
  
  
  
  From: John Chapman 
  <chapman.w2 at sky.com>
To: Bala Ganesh Chandra 
  <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about NakamichiCassette Decks 
  <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:58 
  AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 
  "passive " Parts


  
  
  Very fine words Bala. I have a docet lector cd player, a zx7, an akai.. 
  Gx 635, garrard 401/sme and leak    Trough line from 1960 - I choose 
  the order in ascending order of audio excellence, assuming the best of sources 
  . It's a valve tuner of course said to be the best in the world. 
    
  

  I have a docet lector cd player, with lots of tweaks, telefunken valves 
  etc but can not come near the zx7 mostly because the cd simply does not 
  contain the full story - its all chopped up bits of the real thing,   
    

So valves are great but unless you have an analogue source 
  you won't really hear the music. A live broadcast recorded on the akai or zx7 
  via the leak beats any vinyl, however,  for transparency and dynamics. 
  Long live fm. Add in cassette convenience and the nak wins in the end.
  
Regards 
  

  John chapman
  

  Www. Architecturalsolution.co.uk
  

  Sent from my iPhone
  

  
On 24 Feb 2012, at 21:49, Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> 
wrote:


  
    
    
    Hi Gerhard, 
    

    You must understand that as an instrument, Nakamichi equipment is 
    not perfect. It has been built not only to a minimum spec and standard, but 
    also to a certain cost and manufacturing realities. The question is what we 
    do and how we can do it. Naks are such good machines that yes they sound 
    almost as good as vinyl (and way better then CDs and other digital 
    media). 
    

    I am a little surprised at the added complexity in the workflow because 
    a a good reel to reel still is better then many digital workstations and has 
    a more simpler workflow. Of course it takes away some of the conveniences 
    that the engineers of today are used to but think about this - most of the 
    songs we all love till the mid to late 80s were done on tape. We may be 
    buying super high resolution HD downloads and all that, but the master 
    element that captured it was the tape. 
    

    Today, with better understanding,  the advent of much better 
    components and retrospect, we have the opportunity to give our equipment a 
    new and better life. To hear them like never before. It is a game of 
    patience where we not simply swap components, but let them settle in, burn 
    in a little and understand their sonic character and decide if it sounds 
    right. The instruments on my bench tell me many things in a couple of hours. 
    But I also like to take weeks to listen and feel the sound. Great brands 
    (when they were great) did this on a grand scale - they called it voicing. 
    Which adds to development time and cost but delivered great sounding 
    products that became references. 
    

    To give you an example, an engineer who produced two of the best solid 
    state FM tuners of all time built his own versions using vacuum tubes! One 
    of it was also battery powered. Imagine how they must have sounded! But the 
    final production units that the world came to know and love were solid state 
    and still very good! And yet, until today, 30 years after their 
    introduction, they are being worked on and improved and refined. 
    

    Audio itself is a game of patience and it involves plenty of listening. 
    I greatly encourage everyone to play around and learn and experience. Try 
    ceramic caps as well and understand the sound. I have run one of my ZXLs 
    with many types of caps before settling for one type. Audio is a journey 
    Gerhard, and there is no final destination. It's the journey that is 
    beautiful. 
    

    I of course would love to share my experience with anyone. 
    

    Bala 
    

    

    

    
    
    From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:02 
    PM
Subject: [naktalk] 
    "passive " Parts

Hi, Bala,

I can not imagine 
    that  a  NAKAMICHI  Deck sounds better than a calibrate and 
    aligned one.

How could I ? because the are sounding like the vinyl 
    from a good tunable.

Some times the NAKAMICHI sound better than  
    Music coming from the Computer.
because of tape " verdichtung " in 
    english  that would be tape.Compression.

A Friend, he is 
    Musician  told me that  they use a new machine in the recording 
    Studio.
They recording will be made digital, put later the make
analog 
    recording and playback on a tape. To get a better sound with
this 
    tape-compression.

This recording Studio is doing this because it is 
    less expensive than doing all the Music recordings
analogue 
    only.

If I have to do Service in a Nakamichi Deck it takes quit a 
    long time.
It takes time to work on, and  get parts, even when the 
    are only passive electronic Components.


It is not easy to try out 
    new capacitors with different sounds.

If you have this experience we 
    all can learn from you.

But most of the repairing people just 
    use  ANY capacitor anywhere in the Deck to get it on the
run 
    again.

With WIMAR MKS Capacitors  in the rec. amp and all 
    over.

Last week I was trying to buy Nichicon Gold Low ESR 
    Electrolytic Cups,  0,47uF and 0,68uF, for the ZXL. CPU

In the 
    biggest shop in europe  named CONRAT,

The selling man told me I 
    should use ceramic  caps! I did not ! That was easy.

What ever 
    we  use on new , or different in the Deck we need two of the Decks in 
    perfect Condition, leaving it open,

for a long time of testing 
    periods.

Nakamichi Recherche has done this for "us "......  
    I  just restore the Decks.

like to use , " same " similar, or 
    better parts, with the same Character like

the Accuracy  from 
    APS ,..... orange capacitors,....

If I use the same parts, It is the 
    safest way to 
    me.

Regards

Gerhard
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From adrian at mechner.net  Tue Feb 28 03:19:25 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:19:25 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
Message-ID: <000001ccf5bf$64780e50$2d682af0$@net>

I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint condition I
did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be cool to have a
secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette deck (680ZX), a receiver
(SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).

It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony remote. The
sound is not bad at all, but it's not a given fact that it will play. This
being said, I wonder if this is common for these vintage CD players, not to
play any given disk or to have interruptions during playback. I have more CD
players in my closet than I will ever use(simply nice ones and can't decide
to let go.) and all function flawlessly; the only one which looks really
cool in this set-up is the only one giving me headache. 

My question is:

Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that's all it can do or does
it need attention?

Thanks,

Adrian

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From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com  Tue Feb 28 10:06:48 2012
From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:06:48 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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The common failures:

(1) Laser pickup.
(2) Spin motor.
(3) Sled (lateral motion) motor.
(4) Sticky sliderails.

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

> I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint condition I
> did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be cool to have a
> secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette deck (680ZX), a
> receiver (SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).****
>
> It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony remote.
> The sound is not bad at all, but it’s not a given fact that it will play…
> This being said, I wonder if this is common for these vintage CD players,
> not to play any given disk or to have interruptions during playback. I have
> more CD players in my closet than I will ever use(simply nice ones and
> can’t decide to let go…) and all function flawlessly; the only one which
> looks really cool in this set-up is the only one giving me headache. ****
>
> My question is:****
>
> Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that’s all it can do or
> does it need attention?****
>
> Thanks,****
>
> Adrian****
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Feb 28 10:55:46 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:55:46 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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Hi,

What i've learned is that skipping in cd players is usually due to a
mechanical problem... dried grease is a common fault, just like with our
decks ;-)

Don't know this player, is the successor of the CDP-2/A/E I was looking
for, the same looks btw.

Wouter

> Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that's all it can do or
> does
> it need attention?
>




From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 28 12:44:49 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 03:44:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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References: <000001ccf5bf$64780e50$2d682af0$@net>
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Message-ID: <1330429489.49124.YahooMailNeo@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

It is important that the grease the lead screw assembly be replaced with fresh silicone grease. If you have good dexterity, clean the pickup lens with cotton buds and some Windex window cleaning fluid. On some laser pick-ups (especially on Teac VRDS based models) there is the inner lens that also can be cleaned but one has to be absolutely careful in doing this. 

I am not sure if the service manual provides information on adjusting the laser output power and tracking parameters thought but this could use some adjustment after such a long time. 

Regards,
 Bala 


________________________________
 From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
 
Hi,

What i've learned is that skipping in cd players is usually due to a
mechanical problem... dried grease is a common fault, just like with our
decks ;-)

Don't know this player, is the successor of the CDP-2/A/E I was looking
for, the same looks btw.

Wouter

> Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that's all it can do or
> does
> it need attention?
>


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From hockeyeast at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 28 13:50:29 2012
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (rich)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 04:50:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Capstans (Matt Whipple)
Message-ID: <1330433429.23216.YahooMailNeo@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hello Matt,
   My zx-9 was doing the same this and I had Perry go through it. There were a few things wrong and it sounds like you might have some of the same problems. He monitors this forum here and I'm sure he'll get back to you, or someone will. Tom(nacdoc) also keeps up with this and is very good as are others. 
 
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From chapman.w2 at sky.com  Tue Feb 28 14:27:39 2012
From: chapman.w2 at sky.com (John Chapman)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:27:39 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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Nice one Bala

I have a Marantz 63 Mk11 KI sig with this problem. I thought it was  
the laser.

Regards

John

John Chapman
ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS

10 Belmont Terrace
Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX
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On 28 Feb 2012, at 11:44, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote:

> It is important that the grease the lead screw assembly be replaced  
> with fresh silicone grease. If you have good dexterity, clean the  
> pickup lens with cotton buds and some Windex window cleaning fluid.  
> On some laser pick-ups (especially on Teac VRDS based models) there  
> is the inner lens that also can be cleaned but one has to be  
> absolutely careful in doing this.
>
> I am not sure if the service manual provides information on  
> adjusting the laser output power and tracking parameters thought but  
> this could use some adjustment after such a long time.
>
> Regards,
>  Bala
>
> From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
>
> Hi,
>
> What i've learned is that skipping in cd players is usually due to a
> mechanical problem... dried grease is a common fault, just like with  
> our
> decks ;-)
>
> Don't know this player, is the successor of the CDP-2/A/E I was  
> looking
> for, the same looks btw.
>
> Wouter
>
> > Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that's all it can  
> do or
> > does
> > it need attention?
> >
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Feb 28 17:37:09 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:37:09 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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Message-ID: <425482b8ca372aa390f295e4072a8c71.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Yeah, that one has a CDM12 laser/mechanism assembly, I recently fixed a
player with that mechanism that was skipping by cleaning dried grease and
then applying special plastic grease.
Some laser cleaning can also help but dried grease is a bigger enemy i think!

Wouter

> Nice one Bala
>
> I have a Marantz 63 Mk11 KI sig with this problem. I thought it was
> the laser.
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
> John Chapman
> ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS
>
> 10 Belmont Terrace
> Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX
> 01872 865505
> 07740 565255
>
> http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/
>
>
>
> On 28 Feb 2012, at 11:44, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote:
>
>> It is important that the grease the lead screw assembly be replaced
>> with fresh silicone grease. If you have good dexterity, clean the
>> pickup lens with cotton buds and some Windex window cleaning fluid.
>> On some laser pick-ups (especially on Teac VRDS based models) there
>> is the inner lens that also can be cleaned but one has to be
>> absolutely careful in doing this.
>>
>> I am not sure if the service manual provides information on
>> adjusting the laser output power and tracking parameters thought but
>> this could use some adjustment after such a long time.
>>
>> Regards,
>>  Bala
>>
>> From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> What i've learned is that skipping in cd players is usually due to a
>> mechanical problem... dried grease is a common fault, just like with
>> our
>> decks ;-)
>>
>> Don't know this player, is the successor of the CDP-2/A/E I was
>> looking
>> for, the same looks btw.
>>
>> Wouter
>>
>> > Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that's all it can
>> do or
>> > does
>> > it need attention?
>> >
>>
>>
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Tue Feb 28 17:43:45 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:43:45 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Capstans
In-Reply-To: <CAH6o5GtW=AkwEGjbuLyd5LbrTnAUrv1PTPZ1zkGiTP1dnaJVYA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Matt -

That's usually caused by old hardened lubricant on the capstan bearings.
 You have to take the capstans out and clean both surfaces then relube.

Best of luck.

Willy

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Matt Whipple <dawhoking at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Having an issue with my Dragon.  The capstans stop spinning after an hour
> or so, sometimes less.  If I turn off the unit for a while and turn it back
> on, the capstans spin again.
>
> Any ideas or help on how to resolve this would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
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From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com  Tue Feb 28 18:45:05 2012
From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 09:45:05 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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Another poster suggested use of Windex for cleaning the sliderails.

Neither Windex nor rubbing alcohol are acceptable solvents for use on
closely-knitted mechanical systems. The reason for this is that both
formulations contain WATER, which has a low viscosity, can seep into
crevices and remain there for days or weeks, and which causes oxidation.

We use ethanol, commonly sold in stores (e.g. Home Depot) as "denatured
alcohol." Ethanol evaporates fairly quickly, and does not promote oxidation.

Fred
Owner
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

* * * * *

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Fred Longworth <
classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:

> The common failures:
>
> (1) Laser pickup.
> (2) Spin motor.
> (3) Sled (lateral motion) motor.
> (4) Sticky sliderails.
>
> Fred
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>wrote:
>
>> I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint condition I
>> did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be cool to have a
>> secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette deck (680ZX), a
>> receiver (SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).****
>>
>> It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony remote.
>> The sound is not bad at all, but it’s not a given fact that it will play…
>> This being said, I wonder if this is common for these vintage CD players,
>> not to play any given disk or to have interruptions during playback. I have
>> more CD players in my closet than I will ever use(simply nice ones and
>> can’t decide to let go…) and all function flawlessly; the only one which
>> looks really cool in this set-up is the only one giving me headache. ****
>>
>> My question is:****
>>
>> Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that’s all it can do or
>> does it need attention?****
>>
>> Thanks,****
>>
>> Adrian****
>>
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From luis at peromarta.org  Tue Feb 28 20:25:00 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:25:00 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Capstans
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8Mc355cKPYgfYwcaek2HzZRccN5qTJ8KGJKabZwzw4m_+Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,

Clean bearings is a must.

Because it stops when warm ("after an hour or so") to me it also sounds like bad motor driver - bad transistor or bad solder (I have seen it).

Good luck!

LP.

El 28/02/2012, a las 17:43, Willy Hermann escribió:

> Hi Matt -
> 
> That's usually caused by old hardened lubricant on the capstan bearings.  You have to take the capstans out and clean both surfaces then relube.
> 
> Best of luck.
> 
> Willy
> 
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Matt Whipple <dawhoking at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Having an issue with my Dragon.  The capstans stop spinning after an hour or so, sometimes less.  If I turn off the unit for a while and turn it back on, the capstans spin again.
> 
> Any ideas or help on how to resolve this would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Matt
> 
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From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se  Tue Feb 28 17:19:53 2012
From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:19:53 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Capstans
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Message-ID: <4F4CFEA9.5000808@blixtmail.se>

Hi Matt.

Replace the power transistors on the motor board and your dragon will 
spin without any interruptions.

Regards Pelle.


Matt Whipple skrev 2012-02-26 22:00:
> Hi,
>
> Having an issue with my Dragon.  The capstans stop spinning after an 
> hour or so, sometimes less.  If I turn off the unit for a while and 
> turn it back on, the capstans spin again.
>
> Any ideas or help on how to resolve this would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
>
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From uraldurusu at ttmail.com  Tue Feb 28 22:24:09 2012
From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (uraldurusu)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:24:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Output level problem
Message-ID: <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171552@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL>


Hello,
When I connect my CR7 to a Reel To Reel tape I noticed that the VU Meters of the RTR is moving different then the CR7 (Right channel is lower than the Left). I have connected a milivolt meter to output jacks of CR7 and measured 5.7mV for Right channel and 19.8 mV for Left channel while playing a 315 Hz 0db test tape. But Vu meters of CR7's  both Left and Right are equal and lights up constantly to 0 db level  at the display. 
what will be the reason for this? Meters says no problem but the output is different than the displayed. Any ideas will be appreciated.

Regards,

Ural Durusu
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From chapman.w2 at sky.com  Tue Feb 28 23:14:03 2012
From: chapman.w2 at sky.com (John Chapman)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:14:03 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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Hi

Is Isopropanol OK on plastic?

I would normally use that, then silicon grease.

And Servisol switch cleaner (UK) for any electrical switches. I know a  
very brilliant electronics engineer who realigns tuners in his sleep  
and builds single ended amps from scratch etc who uses nothing but  
WD40 for switch cleaning! Is that OK with you guys?

Regards

John Chapman
ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS

chapman.w2 at sky.com

10 Belmont Terrace
Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX
01872 865505
07740 565255

http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/




On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:45, Fred Longworth wrote:

> Another poster suggested use of Windex for cleaning the sliderails.
>
> Neither Windex nor rubbing alcohol are acceptable solvents for use  
> on closely-knitted mechanical systems. The reason for this is that  
> both formulations contain WATER, which has a low viscosity, can seep  
> into crevices and remain there for days or weeks, and which causes  
> oxidation.
>
> We use ethanol, commonly sold in stores (e.g. Home Depot) as  
> "denatured alcohol." Ethanol evaporates fairly quickly, and does not  
> promote oxidation.
>
> Fred
> Owner
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
>
> * * * * *
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> The common failures:
>
> (1) Laser pickup.
> (2) Spin motor.
> (3) Sled (lateral motion) motor.
> (4) Sticky sliderails.
>
> Fred
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>  
> wrote:
> I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint  
> condition I did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be  
> cool to have a secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette  
> deck (680ZX), a receiver (SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).
>
> It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony  
> remote. The sound is not bad at all, but it’s not a given fact that  
> it will play… This being said, I wonder if this is common for these  
> vintage CD players, not to play any given disk or to have  
> interruptions during playback. I have more CD players in my closet  
> than I will ever use(simply nice ones and can’t decide to let go…)  
> and all function flawlessly; the only one which looks really cool in  
> this set-up is the only one giving me headache.
>
> My question is:
>
> Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that’s all it can do  
> or does it need attention?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adrian
>
>
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From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com  Wed Feb 29 03:10:56 2012
From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:10:56 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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Yes.

Pure isopropanol is fine for plastics. Rubbing alcohol unfortunately
contains a mixture of water and isopropanol.

WD40 is completely unacceptable. Use products by Caig Laboratories, e.g.
Caig DeoxIT D5, Caig Faderlube, and Caig GOLD. It is not enough to
lubricate. You need to actually remove the oxidation.

Fred Longworth
Owner
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com



On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM, John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Is Isopropanol OK on plastic?
>
> I would normally use that, then silicon grease.
>
> And Servisol switch cleaner (UK) for any electrical switches. I know a
> very brilliant electronics engineer who realigns tuners in his sleep and
> builds single ended amps from scratch etc who uses nothing but WD40 for
> switch cleaning! Is that OK with you guys?
>
> Regards
>
> John Chapman
> ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS
>
> chapman.w2 at sky.com
>
> 10 Belmont Terrace
> Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX
> 01872 865505
> 07740 565255
>
> http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/
>
>
>
>
> On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:45, Fred Longworth wrote:
>
> Another poster suggested use of Windex for cleaning the sliderails.
>
> Neither Windex nor rubbing alcohol are acceptable solvents for use on
> closely-knitted mechanical systems. The reason for this is that both
> formulations contain WATER, which has a low viscosity, can seep into
> crevices and remain there for days or weeks, and which causes oxidation.
>
> We use ethanol, commonly sold in stores (e.g. Home Depot) as "denatured
> alcohol." Ethanol evaporates fairly quickly, and does not promote oxidation.
>
> Fred
> Owner
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
>
> * * * * *
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Fred Longworth <
> classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The common failures:
>>
>> (1) Laser pickup.
>> (2) Spin motor.
>> (3) Sled (lateral motion) motor.
>> (4) Sticky sliderails.
>>
>> Fred
>> Classic Audio Repair
>> www.repairaudio.com
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>wrote:
>>
>>> I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint condition
>>> I did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be cool to have a
>>> secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette deck (680ZX), a
>>> receiver (SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).****
>>>
>>> It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony remote.
>>> The sound is not bad at all, but it’s not a given fact that it will play…
>>> This being said, I wonder if this is common for these vintage CD players,
>>> not to play any given disk or to have interruptions during playback. I have
>>> more CD players in my closet than I will ever use(simply nice ones and
>>> can’t decide to let go…) and all function flawlessly; the only one which
>>> looks really cool in this set-up is the only one giving me headache. ***
>>> *
>>>
>>> My question is:****
>>>
>>> Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that’s all it can do or
>>> does it need attention?****
>>>
>>> Thanks,****
>>>
>>> Adrian****
>>>
>>>
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>>
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From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com  Wed Feb 29 04:09:47 2012
From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:09:47 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Output level problem
In-Reply-To: <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171552@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL>
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It appears that you have a signal loss of just under 12dB in the right
channel. Based on your description, this loss must be occurring between the
point in the playback preamps where the "taps" for the meters are taken and
the output jacks on the rear panel.

This is best solved with a service manual, and especially with a schematic
of the playback circuitry.

I naturally suspect a faulty capacitor, in which case the weak channel is
likely to have a frequency response that is skewed toward the treble end.
But then . . . someone may have been messing with the calibration.

Good luck with this.

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:24 PM, uraldurusu <uraldurusu at ttmail.com> wrote:

> **
>
> Hello,
> When I connect my CR7 to a Reel To Reel tape I noticed that the VU Meters
> of the RTR is moving different then the CR7 (Right channel is lower than
> the Left). I have connected a milivolt meter to output jacks of CR7 and
> measured 5.7mV for Right channel and 19.8 mV for Left channel while playing
> a 315 Hz 0db test tape. But Vu meters of CR7's  both Left and Right are
> equal and lights up constantly to 0 db level  at the display.
> what will be the reason for this? Meters says no problem but the output is
> different than the displayed. Any ideas will be appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ural Durusu
>
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From adrian at mechner.net  Wed Feb 29 06:03:44 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:03:44 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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Thanks all!

I hope the problem was solved. My discs which didn't play yesterday do it
now. The sound is nice, as it was on the discs which did play before.

I use for cleaning of things like this only professional grade chemicals.
Now I used the MG Chemicals "Audio Video HEAD CLEANER". I cut a strip out of
a new microfiber cloth and wind it around the rails; then I pulled on both
ends. I manually rotated the motor to move the lens to the other side of the
rails and cleaned again.

After evaluating the way it was designed and the speed and precision it's
supposed to work at, I decided that a very low viscosity lube would be best.
I applied two drops of the lube I use on my turntable restoration projects -
the one I use for the direct powered belt drive motors. After long time
testing and working on turntables, I came to the most satisfactory results
using "Finish Line - Dry" Lubricant.

This is a product designed for the bicycle industry; it's a high end
product, designed in the USA and produced in Canada. It is only to be used
in dry conditions. The formula fits perfect the needs for my projects.

I highly recommend it. It can be found in the "Performance Bicycle" stores.

I'll get back with updates if problems will appear. 

 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Fred Longworth
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:11 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A

 

Yes.

 

Pure isopropanol is fine for plastics. Rubbing alcohol unfortunately
contains a mixture of water and isopropanol.

 

WD40 is completely unacceptable. Use products by Caig Laboratories, e.g.
Caig DeoxIT D5, Caig Faderlube, and Caig GOLD. It is not enough to
lubricate. You need to actually remove the oxidation.

 

Fred Longworth

Owner

Classic Audio Repair

www.repairaudio.com

 

 

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM, John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com> wrote:

Hi

 

Is Isopropanol OK on plastic?

 

I would normally use that, then silicon grease. 

 

And Servisol switch cleaner (UK) for any electrical switches. I know a very
brilliant electronics engineer who realigns tuners in his sleep and builds
single ended amps from scratch etc who uses nothing but WD40 for switch
cleaning! Is that OK with you guys?

 

Regards

 

John Chapman

ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS

 

chapman.w2 at sky.com

 

10 Belmont Terrace

Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX

01872 865505

07740 565255

 

http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/

 

 

 

On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:45, Fred Longworth wrote:





Another poster suggested use of Windex for cleaning the sliderails.

Neither Windex nor rubbing alcohol are acceptable solvents for use on
closely-knitted mechanical systems. The reason for this is that both
formulations contain WATER, which has a low viscosity, can seep into
crevices and remain there for days or weeks, and which causes oxidation.

We use ethanol, commonly sold in stores (e.g. Home Depot) as "denatured
alcohol." Ethanol evaporates fairly quickly, and does not promote oxidation.

Fred
Owner
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

* * * * *

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Fred Longworth
<classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:

The common failures:

(1) Laser pickup.
(2) Spin motor.
(3) Sled (lateral motion) motor.
(4) Sticky sliderails.

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint condition I
did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be cool to have a
secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette deck (680ZX), a receiver
(SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).

It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony remote. The
sound is not bad at all, but it's not a given fact that it will play. This
being said, I wonder if this is common for these vintage CD players, not to
play any given disk or to have interruptions during playback. I have more CD
players in my closet than I will ever use(simply nice ones and can't decide
to let go.) and all function flawlessly; the only one which looks really
cool in this set-up is the only one giving me headache. 

My question is:

Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that's all it can do or does
it need attention?

Thanks,

Adrian

 

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From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com  Wed Feb 29 11:58:44 2012
From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:58:44 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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That is a Teflon-based lubricant. Teflon is a miracle chemical. Teflon
lubes are also made by Tri-Flow and ZEP.

A chemist told me that Teflon molecules are shaped something like M&M's,
which by their very shape make them slippery and slidey.

In my repair shop, we've determined, for example, that the best lube for
small DC motors is a Teflon-based product. For larger bearings it's
somewhat of a tossup between Teflon-based lubed and standard machine oil.

Fred Longworth
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

> Thanks all!****
>
> I hope the problem was solved. My discs which didn’t play yesterday do it
> now. The sound is nice, as it was on the discs which did play before.****
>
> I use for cleaning of things like this only professional grade chemicals.
> Now I used the MG Chemicals “Audio Video HEAD CLEANER”. I cut a strip out
> of a new microfiber cloth and wind it around the rails; then I pulled on
> both ends. I manually rotated the motor to move the lens to the other side
> of the rails and cleaned again.****
>
> After evaluating the way it was designed and the speed and precision it’s
> supposed to work at, I decided that a very low viscosity lube would be
> best. I applied two drops of the lube I use on my turntable restoration
> projects – the one I use for the direct powered belt drive motors. After
> long time testing and working on turntables, I came to the most
> satisfactory results using “Finish Line – Dry” Lubricant.****
>
> This is a product designed for the bicycle industry; it’s a high end
> product, designed in the USA and produced in Canada. It is only to be used
> in dry conditions. The formula fits perfect the needs for my projects.****
>
> I highly recommend it. It can be found in the “Performance Bicycle” stores.
> ****
>
> I’ll get back with updates if problems will appear. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Adrian****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Fred Longworth
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:11 PM
>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A****
>
> ** **
>
> Yes.****
>
> ** **
>
> Pure isopropanol is fine for plastics. Rubbing alcohol unfortunately
> contains a mixture of water and isopropanol.****
>
> ** **
>
> WD40 is completely unacceptable. Use products by Caig Laboratories, e.g.
> Caig DeoxIT D5, Caig Faderlube, and Caig GOLD. It is not enough to
> lubricate. You need to actually remove the oxidation.****
>
> ** **
>
> Fred Longworth****
>
> Owner****
>
> Classic Audio Repair****
>
> www.repairaudio.com****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM, John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com> wrote:*
> ***
>
> Hi****
>
> ** **
>
> Is Isopropanol OK on plastic?****
>
> ** **
>
> I would normally use that, then silicon grease. ****
>
> ** **
>
> And Servisol switch cleaner (UK) for any electrical switches. I know a
> very brilliant electronics engineer who realigns tuners in his sleep and
> builds single ended amps from scratch etc who uses nothing but WD40 for
> switch cleaning! Is that OK with you guys?****
>
> ** **
>
> Regards****
>
> ** **
>
> John Chapman****
>
> ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS****
>
> ** **
>
> chapman.w2 at sky.com****
>
> ** **
>
> 10 Belmont Terrace****
>
> Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX****
>
> 01872 865505****
>
> 07740 565255****
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:45, Fred Longworth wrote:****
>
>
>
> ****
>
> Another poster suggested use of Windex for cleaning the sliderails.
>
> Neither Windex nor rubbing alcohol are acceptable solvents for use on
> closely-knitted mechanical systems. The reason for this is that both
> formulations contain WATER, which has a low viscosity, can seep into
> crevices and remain there for days or weeks, and which causes oxidation.
>
> We use ethanol, commonly sold in stores (e.g. Home Depot) as "denatured
> alcohol." Ethanol evaporates fairly quickly, and does not promote oxidation.
>
> Fred
> Owner
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
>
> * * * * *
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Fred Longworth <
> classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:****
>
> The common failures:
>
> (1) Laser pickup.
> (2) Spin motor.
> (3) Sled (lateral motion) motor.
> (4) Sticky sliderails.
>
> Fred
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com****
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
> wrote:****
>
> I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint condition I
> did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be cool to have a
> secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette deck (680ZX), a
> receiver (SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).****
>
> It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony remote.
> The sound is not bad at all, but it’s not a given fact that it will play…
> This being said, I wonder if this is common for these vintage CD players,
> not to play any given disk or to have interruptions during playback. I have
> more CD players in my closet than I will ever use(simply nice ones and
> can’t decide to let go…) and all function flawlessly; the only one which
> looks really cool in this set-up is the only one giving me headache. ****
>
> My question is:****
>
> Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that’s all it can do or
> does it need attention?****
>
> Thanks,****
>
> Adrian****
>
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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 29 17:36:32 2012
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:36:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
In-Reply-To: <CABa_+eFLSF_ScAWrMSD5zX7ka60EFvHu37XvYanqiOwvxE=P-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Fred, You mention machine oil.  Have you ever used clock oil?  It's a very light oil for mechanical clocks.  I don't imagine it would be any good for high heat situations???Bob N

--- On Wed, 2/29/12, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 29, 2012, 2:58 AM

That is a Teflon-based lubricant. Teflon is a miracle chemical. Teflon lubes are also made by Tri-Flow and ZEP.

A chemist told me that Teflon molecules are shaped something like M&M's, which by their very shape make them slippery and slidey.


In my repair shop, we've determined, for example, that the best lube for small DC motors is a Teflon-based product. For larger bearings it's somewhat of a tossup between Teflon-based lubed and standard machine oil.


Fred Longworth
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

Thanks all!
I hope the problem was solved. My discs which didn’t play yesterday do it now. The sound is nice, as it was on the discs which did play before.
I use for cleaning of things like this only professional grade chemicals. Now I used the MG Chemicals “Audio Video HEAD CLEANER”. I cut a strip out of a new microfiber cloth and wind it around the rails; then I pulled on both ends. I manually rotated the motor to move the lens to the other side of the rails and cleaned again.
After evaluating the way it was designed and the speed and precision it’s supposed to work at, I decided that a very low viscosity lube would be best. I applied two drops of the lube I use on my turntable restoration projects – the one I use for the direct powered belt drive motors. After long time testing and working on turntables, I came to the most satisfactory results using “Finish Line – Dry” Lubricant.
This is a product designed for the bicycle industry; it’s a high end product, designed in the USA and produced in Canada. It is only to be used in dry conditions. The formula fits perfect the needs for my projects.
I highly recommend it. It can be found in the “Performance Bicycle” stores.
I’ll get back with updates if problems will appear.  
Adrian 
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth

Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:11 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
 Yes. Pure isopropanol is fine for plastics. Rubbing alcohol unfortunately contains a mixture of water and isopropanol.
 WD40 is completely unacceptable. Use products by Caig Laboratories, e.g. Caig DeoxIT D5, Caig Faderlube, and Caig GOLD. It is not enough to lubricate. You need to actually remove the oxidation.
 Fred LongworthOwnerClassic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com 
 On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM, John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com> wrote:
Hi Is Isopropanol OK on plastic? 
I would normally use that, then silicon grease.  And Servisol switch cleaner (UK) for any electrical switches. I know a very brilliant electronics engineer who realigns tuners in his sleep and builds single ended amps from scratch etc who uses nothing but WD40 for switch cleaning! Is that OK with you guys?
 Regards
 John Chapman
ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS 
chapman.w2 at sky.com
 10 Belmont Terrace
Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX01872 865505
07740 565255 
http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/
  
 On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:45, Fred Longworth wrote:


Another poster suggested use of Windex for cleaning the sliderails.

Neither Windex nor rubbing alcohol are acceptable solvents for use on closely-knitted mechanical systems. The reason for this is that both formulations contain WATER, which has a low viscosity, can seep into crevices and remain there for days or weeks, and which causes oxidation.


We use ethanol, commonly sold in stores (e.g. Home Depot) as "denatured alcohol." Ethanol evaporates fairly quickly, and does not promote oxidation.

Fred
Owner
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com


* * * * *

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:
The common failures:

(1) Laser pickup.
(2) Spin motor.
(3) Sled (lateral motion) motor.
(4) Sticky sliderails.

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:
I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint condition I did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be cool to have a secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette deck (680ZX), a receiver (SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).
It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony remote. The sound is not bad at all, but it’s not a given fact that it will play… This being said, I wonder if this is common for these vintage CD players, not to play any given disk or to have interruptions during playback. I have more CD players in my closet than I will ever use(simply nice ones and can’t decide to let go…) and all function flawlessly; the only one which looks really cool in this set-up is the only one giving me headache. 
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From adrian at mechner.net  Wed Feb 29 18:02:46 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:02:46 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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This is correct; it is a Teflon based lubricant and it works miracles.

Adrian

Update on the OMS-2A

The disc(s) play but on some of them there are drop outs during play.

I did not touch the motors, but I will now. I'm going to open it again,
clean all moving parts and lube them, also I will use my miracle working "MG
Chemicals - NU-Trol Control Cleaner" on the motors.

The lens looks super clean and shiny. I use a magnifier glass 10x and can
tell it's clean.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Fred Longworth
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:59 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A

 

That is a Teflon-based lubricant. Teflon is a miracle chemical. Teflon lubes
are also made by Tri-Flow and ZEP.

A chemist told me that Teflon molecules are shaped something like M&M's,
which by their very shape make them slippery and slidey.

In my repair shop, we've determined, for example, that the best lube for
small DC motors is a Teflon-based product. For larger bearings it's somewhat
of a tossup between Teflon-based lubed and standard machine oil.

Fred Longworth
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

Thanks all!

I hope the problem was solved. My discs which didn't play yesterday do it
now. The sound is nice, as it was on the discs which did play before.

I use for cleaning of things like this only professional grade chemicals.
Now I used the MG Chemicals "Audio Video HEAD CLEANER". I cut a strip out of
a new microfiber cloth and wind it around the rails; then I pulled on both
ends. I manually rotated the motor to move the lens to the other side of the
rails and cleaned again.

After evaluating the way it was designed and the speed and precision it's
supposed to work at, I decided that a very low viscosity lube would be best.
I applied two drops of the lube I use on my turntable restoration projects -
the one I use for the direct powered belt drive motors. After long time
testing and working on turntables, I came to the most satisfactory results
using "Finish Line - Dry" Lubricant.

This is a product designed for the bicycle industry; it's a high end
product, designed in the USA and produced in Canada. It is only to be used
in dry conditions. The formula fits perfect the needs for my projects.

I highly recommend it. It can be found in the "Performance Bicycle" stores.

I'll get back with updates if problems will appear. 

 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Fred Longworth
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:11 PM


To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks

Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A

 

Yes.

 

Pure isopropanol is fine for plastics. Rubbing alcohol unfortunately
contains a mixture of water and isopropanol.

 

WD40 is completely unacceptable. Use products by Caig Laboratories, e.g.
Caig DeoxIT D5, Caig Faderlube, and Caig GOLD. It is not enough to
lubricate. You need to actually remove the oxidation.

 

Fred Longworth

Owner

Classic Audio Repair

www.repairaudio.com

 

 

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM, John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com> wrote:

Hi

 

Is Isopropanol OK on plastic?

 

I would normally use that, then silicon grease. 

 

And Servisol switch cleaner (UK) for any electrical switches. I know a very
brilliant electronics engineer who realigns tuners in his sleep and builds
single ended amps from scratch etc who uses nothing but WD40 for switch
cleaning! Is that OK with you guys?

 

Regards

 

John Chapman

ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS

 

chapman.w2 at sky.com

 

10 Belmont Terrace

Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX

01872 865505

07740 565255

 

http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/

 

 

 

On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:45, Fred Longworth wrote:

 

Another poster suggested use of Windex for cleaning the sliderails.

Neither Windex nor rubbing alcohol are acceptable solvents for use on
closely-knitted mechanical systems. The reason for this is that both
formulations contain WATER, which has a low viscosity, can seep into
crevices and remain there for days or weeks, and which causes oxidation.

We use ethanol, commonly sold in stores (e.g. Home Depot) as "denatured
alcohol." Ethanol evaporates fairly quickly, and does not promote oxidation.

Fred
Owner
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

* * * * *

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Fred Longworth
<classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:

The common failures:

(1) Laser pickup.
(2) Spin motor.
(3) Sled (lateral motion) motor.
(4) Sticky sliderails.

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint condition I
did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be cool to have a
secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette deck (680ZX), a receiver
(SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).

It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony remote. The
sound is not bad at all, but it's not a given fact that it will play. This
being said, I wonder if this is common for these vintage CD players, not to
play any given disk or to have interruptions during playback. I have more CD
players in my closet than I will ever use(simply nice ones and can't decide
to let go.) and all function flawlessly; the only one which looks really
cool in this set-up is the only one giving me headache. 

My question is:

Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that's all it can do or does
it need attention?

Thanks,

Adrian

 

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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Wed Feb 29 20:11:54 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 13:11:54 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
References: <000001ccf5bf$64780e50$2d682af0$@net>	<CABa_+eELMEj54SPN==OKJW=jYUYcbJ_YJ42Z8uo0d4ij2Det+g@mail.gmail.com>	<CABa_+eGdAcdQ01CYoijeeN369c9Ly76ThkW62MUdVUBNB8v7Mw@mail.gmail.com>	<1E1E0679-4EDA-4433-9927-A469C7FB2410@sky.com>	<CABa_+eH4sj=GvxKVWfh1g1ua1JHxwvPAwiNWZYyHZiwQw=Lkjw@mail.gmail.com>	<002d01ccf69f$838f95c0$8aaec140$@net><CABa_+eFLSF_ScAWrMSD5zX7ka60EFvHu37XvYanqiOwvxE=P-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey guys, I read somewhere that teflon-based lubes turn to gunk after a short time! Supposedly was a huge problem for Xerox company.  Any truth to this? BTW I was planing on using teflon lube on capstan brgs but I think I'll go with ATF

Cheers,
Rainer



----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adrian Mechner 
  To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 11:02 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A


  This is correct; it is a Teflon based lubricant and it works miracles.

  Adrian

  Update on the OMS-2A

  The disc(s) play but on some of them there are drop outs during play.

  I did not touch the motors, but I will now. I'm going to open it again, clean all moving parts and lube them, also I will use my miracle working "MG Chemicals - NU-Trol Control Cleaner" on the motors.

  The lens looks super clean and shiny. I use a magnifier glass 10x and can tell it's clean.

  Any suggestions are welcome.

  Thanks,

  Adrian

   

  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth
  Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:59 AM
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A

   

  That is a Teflon-based lubricant. Teflon is a miracle chemical. Teflon lubes are also made by Tri-Flow and ZEP.

  A chemist told me that Teflon molecules are shaped something like M&M's, which by their very shape make them slippery and slidey.

  In my repair shop, we've determined, for example, that the best lube for small DC motors is a Teflon-based product. For larger bearings it's somewhat of a tossup between Teflon-based lubed and standard machine oil.

  Fred Longworth
  Classic Audio Repair
  www.repairaudio.com

  On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

  Thanks all!

  I hope the problem was solved. My discs which didn't play yesterday do it now. The sound is nice, as it was on the discs which did play before.

  I use for cleaning of things like this only professional grade chemicals. Now I used the MG Chemicals "Audio Video HEAD CLEANER". I cut a strip out of a new microfiber cloth and wind it around the rails; then I pulled on both ends. I manually rotated the motor to move the lens to the other side of the rails and cleaned again.

  After evaluating the way it was designed and the speed and precision it's supposed to work at, I decided that a very low viscosity lube would be best. I applied two drops of the lube I use on my turntable restoration projects - the one I use for the direct powered belt drive motors. After long time testing and working on turntables, I came to the most satisfactory results using "Finish Line - Dry" Lubricant.

  This is a product designed for the bicycle industry; it's a high end product, designed in the USA and produced in Canada. It is only to be used in dry conditions. The formula fits perfect the needs for my projects.

  I highly recommend it. It can be found in the "Performance Bicycle" stores.

  I'll get back with updates if problems will appear. 

   

  Adrian

   





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From dister.bunty at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 22:04:25 2012
From: dister.bunty at gmail.com (mister bunty)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:04:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT- WTB Akai MG614
Message-ID: <CAFbK+zaidLFfvoyVpSgGLsfYXHtHMgWCa+fQq=65V7aJzPbRAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I know it's slightly off-topic, but would anybody happen to have an akai
mg614 they'd be looking to sell?  I'm located in the US and am looking for
a multi-track to send to my nakamichi bx300 master deck.

Thanks!

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From majdon43 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  4 01:41:12 2012
From: majdon43 at yahoo.com (Don Hames)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:41:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] RX 202 Plastic Tape Well Cover
Message-ID: <1325637672.83115.YahooMailNeo@web36108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi!

Anyone know where I can get the plastic cover for the tape deck well on an RX 202? I bought the deck on EBay for a good price, but need the plastic cover.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Happy New Year!

Don
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From stekast at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  4 14:56:50 2012
From: stekast at yahoo.com (stelios kastanakis)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 05:56:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Zx 9 pinch rollers
Message-ID: <1325685410.86733.YahooMailNeo@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi
 
I have to change the pinch rollers of my ZX 9 .Are the pinch rollers of Dragon compatible with 
those of Zx 9?
If not , any good source to get a pair of new set?
 
Regards
 
Stelios
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  4 16:07:36 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 08:07:36 -0700
Subject: FW: [naktalk] RX 202 Plastic Tape Well Cover
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 They are seldom listed Ebay.A mint one will sell for $40.There was talk on this listing about doing a mold and making these hard to find plastic covers (don't think it ever happened).I'm fortunate to have a mint RX-202, but may sell on Ebay soon. Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:41:12 -0800
From: majdon43 at yahoo.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] RX 202 Plastic Tape Well Cover

Hi!
Anyone know where I can get the plastic cover for the tape deck well on an RX 202? I bought the deck on EBay for a good price, but need the plastic cover.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Happy New Year!
Don
 		 	   		  
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Wed Jan  4 17:33:31 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 08:33:31 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Zx 9 pinch rollers
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I just bought a pair through eBay - check out item number  160621781455 .
 Kinda pricey but good.

Willy

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 5:56 AM, stelios kastanakis <stekast at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have to change the pinch rollers of my ZX 9 .Are the pinch rollers of
> Dragon compatible with
> those of Zx 9?
> If not , any good source to get a pair of new set?
>
> Regards
>
> Stelios
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 16:24:37 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:24:37 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Zx 9 pinch rollers
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The pinch roller must be real bad, to have a " must " to replace them.

The original pinch Rollers do have a "curved" surface, and are not  
just flat rubber.

Dragon an ZX-9 are not the same rollers.
Both are very hard to get in perfect quality!

NEW rollers made in Japan look like on this picture.


regards

Gerhard

Both are very hard to get in perfect quality!
Am 04.01.2012 um 14:56 schrieb stelios kastanakis:

> Hi
>
> I have to change the pinch rollers of my ZX 9 .Are the pinch  
> rollers of Dragon compatible with
> those of Zx 9?
> If not , any good source to get a pair of new set?
>
> Regards
>
> Stelios
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From shoeihell at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  4 18:04:20 2012
From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:04:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re:RX 202 Plastic Tape Well Cover
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This is the proverbial unobtainium item. They have long since disappeared from anyone's part's bin. There was even a member here who said it would be a simple matter to make one-still waiting to see that happen.;-0  About your only hope is to buy a non-working donor for cheap, that has one intact. To make matters worse, the RX505 is different yet, if memory serves me right. Whenever I sent my RX505 off for service, the plastic window stayed here! If Jeff @ESL even had one, it would be priced more than you probably paid for the deck on ebay. Good Luck!


Kevin



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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:41:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Don Hames <majdon43 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [naktalk] RX 202 Plastic Tape Well Cover
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Hi!

Anyone know where I can get the plastic cover for the tape deck well on an RX 202? I bought the deck on EBay for a good price, but need the plastic cover.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Happy New Year!

Don
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 22:15:03 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:15:03 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Zx 9 pinch rollers
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Are they flat ?
  Are the curved  like the  Nak classic original ?

Thanks for looking.

G
Am 04.01.2012 um 17:33 schrieb Willy Hermann:

> I just bought a pair through eBay - check out item number   
> 160621781455 .  Kinda pricey but good.
>
> Willy
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 5:56 AM, stelios kastanakis  
> <stekast at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have to change the pinch rollers of my ZX 9 .Are the pinch  
> rollers of Dragon compatible with
> those of Zx 9?
> If not , any good source to get a pair of new set?
>
> Regards
>
> Stelios
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Wed Jan  4 21:41:01 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:41:01 -0200
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Zx 9 pinch rollers
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Hi Gerhard,

 

I think you forgot to attach the Picture…

Regards,

 

Rodrigo

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Gerhard Wartha
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 4 de janeiro de 2012 13:25
Para: stelios kastanakis; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Zx 9 pinch rollers

 

The pinch roller must be real bad, to have a " must " to replace them.

 

The original pinch Rollers do have a "curved" surface, and are not just flat rubber.

 

Dragon an ZX-9 are not the same rollers.

Both are very hard to get in perfect quality! 

 

NEW rollers made in Japan look like on this picture.

 

 

regards

 

Gerhard


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From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Wed Jan  4 21:49:58 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:49:58 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Zx 9 pinch rollers
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Hi Gerhard,

Where did you buy them in Japan? Osaka? what is the price for a couple?
I am asking because I could get some as I am expected to go there pretty 
soon.
So, let me know the address of the shop.

Happy New year to Naktalkers
bernard

Le 04/01/2012 16:24, Gerhard Wartha a écrit :
> The pinch roller must be real bad, to have a " must " to replace them.
>
> The original pinch Rollers do have a "curved" surface, and are not 
> just flat rubber.
>
> Dragon an ZX-9 are not the same rollers.
> Both are very hard to get in perfect quality!
>
> NEW rollers made in Japan look like on this picture.
>
>
> regards
>
> Gerhard
>
>
> Both are very hard to get in perfect quality!
> Am 04.01.2012 um 14:56 schrieb stelios kastanakis:
>
>> Hi
>> I have to change the pinch rollers of my ZX 9 .Are the pinch rollers 
>> of Dragon compatible with
>> those of Zx 9?
>> If not , any good source to get a pair of new set?
>> Regards
>> Stelios
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From stekast at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  5 15:03:51 2012
From: stekast at yahoo.com (stelios kastanakis)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 06:03:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] zx 9 pinch rollers
Message-ID: <1325772231.14765.YahooMailNeo@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi
 
What do you thing about this quy.
http://terrysrubberrollers.com/
He is making a good rebuilt of pinch rollers but i'm not sure
about the quality.
 
Stelios
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 14:28:20 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:28:20 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Zx 9 pinch rollers
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Hi, bernard,

I did buy them in S-japan, from an Naka repair Office.

They don´t sell mechanic parts anymore,

I can offer you to send you original pinch rollers, like new from, my  
spare Deck.

It does non make sense If I take Fotos from them, because the look  
exact like the rollers as New.

I would take them out off the Deck and send it to you.

You can pay 1/3 of the Deck, with 40.-

You can whait until after Japan, I will keep this very nice Deck anyway.

I don´t need Pinch rollers.

The old ones last for much longer, IF YOU ARE NOT CLEAN THEM WITH  
ALCOHOL!


Don´nt put new flat pinch rollers in any Deck .

And don´t put new cups from china in your Decks.


If you like the rollers from my spare Deck, please let me know.

My wife will be in Osaka, 12-20.


The are tree shops in in same area to buy cups and lamps and so,

All tree are near the shop I told you,

If you like more addresse, I have to look at my memories.

If you need something from my wife, let me know fast.


regards

Gerhard





Am 04.01.2012 um 21:49 schrieb bb:

> Hi Gerhard,
>
> Where did you buy them in Japan? Osaka? what is the price for a  
> couple?
> I am asking because I could get some as I am expected to go there  
> pretty soon.
> So, let me know the address of the shop.
>
> Happy New year to Naktalkers
> bernard
>
> Le 04/01/2012 16:24, Gerhard Wartha a écrit :
>>
>> The pinch roller must be real bad, to have a " must " to replace  
>> them.
>>
>> The original pinch Rollers do have a "curved" surface, and are not  
>> just flat rubber.
>>
>> Dragon an ZX-9 are not the same rollers.
>> Both are very hard to get in perfect quality!
>>
>> NEW rollers made in Japan look like on this picture.
>>
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Gerhard
>>
>>
>> Both are very hard to get in perfect quality!
>> Am 04.01.2012 um 14:56 schrieb stelios kastanakis:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I have to change the pinch rollers of my ZX 9 .Are the pinch  
>>> rollers of Dragon compatible with
>>> those of Zx 9?
>>> If not , any good source to get a pair of new set?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Stelios
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Jan  6 20:29:25 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:29:25 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 500 donation
Message-ID: <e166e9afca983c740f9587668326494a.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

A 500 was donated this week on the website.
This is what the owner has to say:

"Nakamichi 500. Condition: Operable. Records, plays, Dolby NR works,
inputs work, meters work, limiter works, headphones jack okay, transport
works okay. May have a couple of scratchy controls and switches. Some of
the linear potentiometers will not move all the way to the top, but it
doesn't affect the sound. Missing the ID nameplate on the back.
Cosmetically only fair, needs a thorough cleaning, some scratches and
dings. Removed from service in a working recording studio. Dedicated
collectors may want to replace the belts, although it received new belts
three years ago. A thorough cleaning of the tape mechanism and motor, plus
recalibration and alignment recommended for perfectionists.
I bought this recorder at a store closeout in 1979, it was their demo
floor model and they hadn't used it for a couple of years, and have used
it almost daily ever since. Sounds wonderful, but I own almost twenty
cassette decks and a dozen reel-to-reels and honestly I need the space
more than I need the recorder, so I thought I'd pass it along to a fellow
analog tape enthusiast who will  enjoy it rather than let it sit and
collect dust on my cluttered shelves."


I'm pretty sure the deck is in Kansas.. Contact me off-list,

Wouter




From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sat Jan  7 10:20:55 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:20:55 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 500 donation
In-Reply-To: <e166e9afca983c740f9587668326494a.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <e166e9afca983c740f9587668326494a.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <37dcd100cb1cb27017a4d4a03afe40f4.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

This deck still is in popular demand, I have several members who like to
adopt it and i brought the first one in touch with the owner.

Wouter

> A 500 was donated this week on the website.
> This is what the owner has to say:
>
> "Nakamichi 500. Condition: Operable. Records, plays, Dolby NR works,
> inputs work, meters work, limiter works, headphones jack okay, transport
> works okay. May have a couple of scratchy controls and switches. Some of
> the linear potentiometers will not move all the way to the top, but it
> doesn't affect the sound. Missing the ID nameplate on the back.
> Cosmetically only fair, needs a thorough cleaning, some scratches and
> dings. Removed from service in a working recording studio. Dedicated
> collectors may want to replace the belts, although it received new belts
> three years ago. A thorough cleaning of the tape mechanism and motor, plus
> recalibration and alignment recommended for perfectionists.
> I bought this recorder at a store closeout in 1979, it was their demo
> floor model and they hadn't used it for a couple of years, and have used
> it almost daily ever since. Sounds wonderful, but I own almost twenty
> cassette decks and a dozen reel-to-reels and honestly I need the space
> more than I need the recorder, so I thought I'd pass it along to a fellow
> analog tape enthusiast who will  enjoy it rather than let it sit and
> collect dust on my cluttered shelves."
>
>
> I'm pretty sure the deck is in Kansas.. Contact me off-list,
>
> Wouter
>
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From ct.waveform at googlemail.com  Sat Jan  7 14:48:08 2012
From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:48:08 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 500 donation
In-Reply-To: <37dcd100cb1cb27017a4d4a03afe40f4.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <e166e9afca983c740f9587668326494a.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
	<37dcd100cb1cb27017a4d4a03afe40f4.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <CANj54jyDt8DbJTPjmia98zMM-nMTj0sta0xh4fZGRB1LFqo29Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Wouter

Thanks for your reply.  Would you please keep me in mind when the next one
comes up.

Thanks

Christian

On 7 January 2012 09:20, Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> This deck still is in popular demand, I have several members who like to
> adopt it and i brought the first one in touch with the owner.
>
> Wouter
>
> > A 500 was donated this week on the website.
> > This is what the owner has to say:
> >
> > "Nakamichi 500. Condition: Operable. Records, plays, Dolby NR works,
> > inputs work, meters work, limiter works, headphones jack okay, transport
> > works okay. May have a couple of scratchy controls and switches. Some of
> > the linear potentiometers will not move all the way to the top, but it
> > doesn't affect the sound. Missing the ID nameplate on the back.
> > Cosmetically only fair, needs a thorough cleaning, some scratches and
> > dings. Removed from service in a working recording studio. Dedicated
> > collectors may want to replace the belts, although it received new belts
> > three years ago. A thorough cleaning of the tape mechanism and motor,
> plus
> > recalibration and alignment recommended for perfectionists.
> > I bought this recorder at a store closeout in 1979, it was their demo
> > floor model and they hadn't used it for a couple of years, and have used
> > it almost daily ever since. Sounds wonderful, but I own almost twenty
> > cassette decks and a dozen reel-to-reels and honestly I need the space
> > more than I need the recorder, so I thought I'd pass it along to a fellow
> > analog tape enthusiast who will  enjoy it rather than let it sit and
> > collect dust on my cluttered shelves."
> >
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the deck is in Kansas.. Contact me off-list,
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> >
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-- 
Christian Thomas

Has just (on 15/10/11) solved the root problem of loudspeaker and crossover
design, after 25 years. It is so simple once you have pieced it together.
 I now need your investment to keep the work going and complete the product
range including amplifier.  Current price approx £3000/percent, up to 20% -
covering approx 6 months and then proper fundraising for production.  You
will generally NOT get to know what the secret is as a shareholder.  This
does not constitute an offer of securities in any jurisdiction.
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From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Mon Jan 16 11:29:39 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:29:39 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Heat sink on 2SD1286
Message-ID: <4F13FC13.7060209@univ-rennes1.fr>

Hi everybody

On the logic board of cr-7, Q-648 (2SD1286) bears a heat sink.

How is this heat sink hold on the 2SD 1286?
If change of Q-648 were needed, is the heat sink exchangeable ? (because 
2SG 1286 is not to be found with this heat sink)

Thanks
Bernard




From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Mon Jan 16 18:51:49 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:51:49 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Heat sink on 2SD1286
In-Reply-To: <4F13FC13.7060209@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <4F13FC13.7060209@univ-rennes1.fr>
Message-ID: <CAM9V8MdBE=jR8owdfibsJsXED0xegfLqz5gD0ChSWswGSVGj-w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bernard -

I've always wondered that too - my guess is that Nakamichi had it spot
welded on.  I've never seen a replacement with an integrated heat sink.
 You can replace it and manually attach a heat sink.

Willy

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:29 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:

> Hi everybody
>
> On the logic board of cr-7, Q-648 (2SD1286) bears a heat sink.
>
> How is this heat sink hold on the 2SD 1286?
> If change of Q-648 were needed, is the heat sink exchangeable ? (because
> 2SG 1286 is not to be found with this heat sink)
>
> Thanks
> Bernard
>
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 16 20:41:07 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:41:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Heat sink on 2SD1286
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8MdBE=jR8owdfibsJsXED0xegfLqz5gD0ChSWswGSVGj-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F13FC13.7060209@univ-rennes1.fr>
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If push came to shove, I would use metalic (or any thermally conducting) 

epoxy, cured under pressure, to bond a heatsink to the transistor. 

-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 12:51 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Heat sink on 2SD1286
> 
>
>Hi Bernard -
>
>
>I've always wondered that too - my guess is that Nakamichi had it spot welded on.  I've never seen a replacement with an integrated heat sink.  You can replace it and manually attach a heat sink.
>
>
>Willy
>
>
>On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:29 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:
>
>Hi everybody
>>
>>On the logic board of cr-7, Q-648 (2SD1286) bears a heat sink.
>>
>>How is this heat sink hold on the 2SD 1286?
>>If change of Q-648 were needed, is the heat sink exchangeable ? (because 2SG 1286 is not to be found with this heat sink)
>>
>>Thanks
>>Bernard
>>
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From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Mon Jan 16 21:58:40 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:58:40 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Heat sink on 2SD1286
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8MdBE=jR8owdfibsJsXED0xegfLqz5gD0ChSWswGSVGj-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F13FC13.7060209@univ-rennes1.fr>
	<CAM9V8MdBE=jR8owdfibsJsXED0xegfLqz5gD0ChSWswGSVGj-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F148F80.9080905@univ-rennes1.fr>

Thanks to the three of you, for your prompted answer;

Now, I do know.

Cheers
Bernard


Le 16/01/2012 18:51, Willy Hermann a écrit :
> Hi Bernard -
>
> I've always wondered that too - my guess is that Nakamichi had it spot 
> welded on.  I've never seen a replacement with an integrated heat 
> sink.  You can replace it and manually attach a heat sink.
>
> Willy
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:29 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr 
> <mailto:bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr>> wrote:
>
>     Hi everybody
>
>     On the logic board of cr-7, Q-648 (2SD1286) bears a heat sink.
>
>     How is this heat sink hold on the 2SD 1286?
>     If change of Q-648 were needed, is the heat sink exchangeable ?
>     (because 2SG 1286 is not to be found with this heat sink)
>
>     Thanks
>     Bernard
>
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From pbtanner at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 18 10:55:24 2012
From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:55:24 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 581 erase problem
Message-ID: <SNT127-W36B0BAFE1366D6BEDBFC60DF810@phx.gbl>


Hello,
 
I have a problem with a 581. It does not erase entirely. It records well and the two orange caps in the bias oscillator have been replaced. However, when the volume is turned up high the erased recording can be heard. It is faint but it is there and bothersome in quiet passages. The heads are clean and adjusted to specs. In playback the deck sounds fine albeit a little bright (compared to my 481Z). Any ideas about this? Thanks in advance.
 
Peter 		 	   		  
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Wed Jan 18 13:07:03 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:07:03 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak erase heads standard transport
Message-ID: <267184642-1326888423-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-911503893-@b15.c16.bise6.blackberry>

Nak erase heads from the classic/standard transport are one of the most often replaced part on these old decks. 
In fact, erase heads in general are easily the most replaced head. On the 60 or so Naks I've restored, I've replaced easily 6 erase heads, which is a 10% mortality rate. All but one were due to weak erasure. One had failed completely. 
You may not need a new erase head as there is a current adjust that can be made by soldering a shorting pad across a resistor in the SM, though that is normally a "last ditch" resort in my experience. Normally increasing the current on a weak head does little if anything. 
Replacements can be found on donor decks but the erase had alignment gauges are absolutely required.
Perry Esposito - From my phone


From ryandblair at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 04:09:23 2012
From: ryandblair at gmail.com (Ryan Blair)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:09:23 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon knobs
Message-ID: <4F18DAE3.3090903@gmail.com>

Hi,

I am wanting to buy my first Nak Dragon, but the one I am looking at is 
missing one of the lower gray knobs.  Does anyone have one they could 
mail to me?  I can pay you for it.

Thanks!


From KSLWinter at comcast.net  Sat Jan 21 01:06:53 2012
From: KSLWinter at comcast.net (Winter Family)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:06:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR4 no sound
Message-ID: <FF58DAB41E144F5290C028A61E760B53@MAIN>

Help!-I have a CR4 with no sound. It gets to the dolby ic's (CX20188) and then quits. No sound in tape or source. Thanks in advance!
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 21 16:08:52 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 07:08:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] CR4 no sound
In-Reply-To: <FF58DAB41E144F5290C028A61E760B53@MAIN>
References: <FF58DAB41E144F5290C028A61E760B53@MAIN>
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Since you already know the location where audio disappears, you are already half there. I wish your description 

was a bit more specific, though. I assume you are feeding a stereo signal to the deck record inputs and it does 

appear at pins 4 and 39 of IC302, but not at pins 9 and 34, respectively, of this IC? If so, check all DC voltages, 

right at IC302 pins and compare to the schematic. Also, look for the signal right at IC302 pins 9 and 34. This 

should provide a clue or two. If all are OK, I would suspect the IC itself. 


Does the deck PB OK?

-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Winter Family <KSLWinter at comcast.net>
>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 7:06 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] CR4 no sound
> 
>
> 
>Help!-I have a CR4 with no sound. It gets to the 
dolby ic's (CX20188) and then quits. No sound in tape or source. Thanks in 
advance!
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From koman56 at hol.gr  Sat Jan 21 11:31:26 2012
From: koman56 at hol.gr (Emmanouil Komninos)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 12:31:26 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with BX-300
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP37951DD128FFB73F1AD59C7CF840@phx.gbl>

Greetings fellow Nakers!
It has been a while since my last post in the forum but i always find 
the time to review the Nalk Talk Digest from time to time.....
My last post had the same subject but for different issue which was 
finally resolved...... Now the deck is back home, the problem with the 
VU level inconsistency is gone, but, now i am facing the following:
When i playback a tape ((any type) recorded with one off my other NAKs 
(CR-7 Dragon etc) i see that both VU level meters of the BX-300 are 
exceedding the +10 db scale at all times, (except in very low  music 
passages and blank intervals between songs) as if the recordings are off 
level which is not the case. I also get  distorted music from my 
speakers ...Same thing happens with all prerecorded tapes.....
Also when i make a recording using the deck the rec level in both 
channels should not exceed the 2,5-3 level for both channels, in order 
to have the VU levels within acceptable limits during monitoring. But 
again when i playback this recording in the BX-300 the VU meters exceed 
the +10db!
Finally when i playback the BX-300 recording to any of my other decks 
the playback level meters are very low and they never exceed the 0 db 
(+/- 1 db)!
I  de-maged and cleaned  capstans and heads which seem to be in good 
condition before my trials.
I have been trying to make this deck work since day 1 i received it, 
last year,  bought on German ebay.....Any help would be very much 
appreciated. Please excuse my long email! Manos


From ronami at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 22 16:08:13 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 07:08:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with BX-300
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP37951DD128FFB73F1AD59C7CF840@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP37951DD128FFB73F1AD59C7CF840@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1327244893.38157.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



It would seem that your BX-300 PB gain is too high somewhere in the 

PB signal chain. I would suspect the meter circuitry, but since the 

signal is also distorted, the fault probbaly occurs before the meter. It's 

a bit strange that the fault appears in both channels, though.


To diagnose this, start by checking supply rails in the deck, specially 

in the PB chain. If OK, play a tape and trace the signal, starting at 

IC302 outputs. Pay special attention around the Dolby circuits, since 

there is some commonality in this area.

Good luck,

-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Emmanouil Komninos <koman56 at hol.gr>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 5:31 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] Problem with BX-300
> 
>Greetings fellow Nakers!
>It has been a while since my last post in the forum but i always find the time to review the Nalk Talk Digest from time to time.....
>My last post had the same subject but for different issue which was finally resolved...... Now the deck is back home, the problem with the VU level inconsistency is gone, but, now i am facing the following:
>When i playback a tape ((any type) recorded with one off my other NAKs (CR-7 Dragon etc) i see that both VU level meters of the BX-300 are exceedding the +10 db scale at all times, (except in very low  music passages and blank intervals between songs) as if the recordings are off level which is not the case. I also get  distorted music from my speakers ...Same thing happens with all prerecorded tapes.....
>Also when i make a recording using the deck the rec level in both channels should not exceed the 2,5-3 level for both channels, in order to have the VU levels within acceptable limits during monitoring. But again when i playback this recording in the BX-300 the VU meters exceed the +10db!
>Finally when i playback the BX-300 recording to any of my other decks the playback level meters are very low and they never exceed the 0 db (+/- 1 db)!
>I  de-maged and cleaned  capstans and heads which seem to be in good condition before my trials.
>I have been trying to make this deck work since day 1 i received it, last year,  bought on German ebay.....Any help would be very much appreciated. Please excuse my long email! Manos
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From solexny at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 19:44:41 2012
From: solexny at gmail.com (Dan Moy)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 13:44:41 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] For Sale: BX-300 -- asking $300.00
Message-ID: <CANyhGbv361BuU3m1c5PJuWjP=EgFPWoMrva8x4VgoXnKvAJkMw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
After much thought I have decided to sell my BX-300.  I'm the second
owner and have the original box, the tape deck works perfectly and is
in excellent physical condition (except a scratch on the top/back of
the deck).  I replaced the idler tire and cleaned the real motor,
nothing else has been done to the deck.

I'm asking $300.00 + shipping and any PayPal fees, it will be shipped
double boxed.

I will provide detailed pictures upon request, here are some pictures
of the tape deck in my system:
http://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=16929

Regards,
Dan


From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 23 01:26:37 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 14:26:37 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] For Sale: BX-300 -- asking $300.00
In-Reply-To: <CANyhGbv361BuU3m1c5PJuWjP=EgFPWoMrva8x4VgoXnKvAJkMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyhGbv361BuU3m1c5PJuWjP=EgFPWoMrva8x4VgoXnKvAJkMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP3488197322A5CF2701B2D96868A0@phx.gbl>


I LOVE the rack you built. Awesome!
Aloha,
Cheryl 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Dan Moy
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:45 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] For Sale: BX-300 -- asking $300.00

Hi All,
After much thought I have decided to sell my BX-300.  I'm the second owner
and have the original box, the tape deck works perfectly and is in excellent
physical condition (except a scratch on the top/back of the deck).  I
replaced the idler tire and cleaned the real motor, nothing else has been
done to the deck.

I'm asking $300.00 + shipping and any PayPal fees, it will be shipped double
boxed.

I will provide detailed pictures upon request, here are some pictures of the
tape deck in my system:
http://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=16929

Regards,
Dan
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From solexny at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 02:57:47 2012
From: solexny at gmail.com (Dan Moy)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:57:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] For Sale: BX-300 -- asking $300.00
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP3488197322A5CF2701B2D96868A0@phx.gbl>
References: <CANyhGbv361BuU3m1c5PJuWjP=EgFPWoMrva8x4VgoXnKvAJkMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP3488197322A5CF2701B2D96868A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CANyhGbvn+U3Mt71-Hn18wOcJoZ3Jfj9XOSQbEni32VnML1LL9A@mail.gmail.com>

Thank You Cheryl,

It has definately been worth it and have since modified it for two extra
shelves, and a custom shelf for my new TT.

Dan

On Sunday, January 22, 2012, Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I LOVE the rack you built. Awesome!
> Aloha,
> Cheryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of Dan Moy
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:45 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] For Sale: BX-300 -- asking $300.00
>
> Hi All,
> After much thought I have decided to sell my BX-300.  I'm the second owner
> and have the original box, the tape deck works perfectly and is in
excellent
> physical condition (except a scratch on the top/back of the deck).  I
> replaced the idler tire and cleaned the real motor, nothing else has been
> done to the deck.
>
> I'm asking $300.00 + shipping and any PayPal fees, it will be shipped
double
> boxed.
>
> I will provide detailed pictures upon request, here are some pictures of
the
> tape deck in my system:
> http://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=16929
>
> Regards,
> Dan
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From adrian at mechner.net  Tue Jan 24 00:22:42 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:22:42 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX
Message-ID: <000001ccda25$e8556f20$b9004d60$@net>

I decided to downsize my collection. My first step is to offer my 660ZX to
someone who will love it as much as I did.

I really don't know how much to ask for. I checked various resources
starting with Audiogone and ending with Epay.

Prices are in most cases unreasonable high reaching over the 1k mark. I'm
not looking to get even close to that, however this unit is mint.

It's the one with Auto Azimuth Alignment. Not one scratch, never seen a
screwdriver and has always been part of a working audio system. Heads have
always been cleaned with "MG Chemicals" Head Cleaner. As being one of many,
it was not used on daily basis or even weekly. 

Photos on demand for interested requests and please leave an email. Pinch
rollers, capstans, belts, everything is in perfect shape. The ONLY
imperfection is a noise in REW mode which is not present in FF. I can't tell
for sure if it's a cassette noise or it is related to the deck itself
because it isen't present on all cassettes (the funny thing is that no
matter what cassette in FF there is no noise at all). This is my only deck
which has not seen a screwdriver (in my household), other than take a look
to the condition of the belt and this is why I did not take any action in
behalf of that noise which comes and goes. Everything else is as good as
new; all lights glow, recordings as same as at day 1.

I will entertain offers starting at $400.

Thanks for reading.

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Jan 24 13:27:15 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:27:15 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Nakamichi System One donation]
Message-ID: <cc5336aa48e37ab20b6fb59cac90cf7f.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>


Hello all,

Via my website a gentleman has offered his System One (mint) for any Nak
enthousiast to pick up in Bristol area (UK).

Anyone interested please react to me at SystemOneATSIGNhenk.schenkt.nl

Happy listening
www.nakamichi-schenk.nl











From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 24 15:32:13 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 06:32:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX
In-Reply-To: <000001ccda25$e8556f20$b9004d60$@net>
References: <000001ccda25$e8556f20$b9004d60$@net>
Message-ID: <1327415533.16440.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Adrian,

Asuming you will expect the buyer to pay for shipping, please tell us 

where the deck is located. 

-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:22 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX
> 
>
>I decided to downsize my collection. My first step is to offer my 660ZX to someone who will love it as much as I did.
>I really don’t know how much to ask for. I checked various resources starting with Audiogone and ending with Epay.
>Prices are in most cases unreasonable high reaching over the 1k mark. I’m not looking to get even close to that, however this unit is mint.
>It’s the one with Auto Azimuth Alignment. Not one scratch, never seen a screwdriver and has always been part of a working audio system. Heads have always been cleaned with “MG Chemicals” Head Cleaner. As being one of many, it was not used on daily basis or even weekly. 
>Photos on demand for interested requests and please leave an email. Pinch rollers, capstans, belts, everything is in perfect shape. The ONLY imperfection is a noise in REW mode which is not present in FF. I can’t tell for sure if it’s a cassette noise or it is related to the deck itself because it isen’t present on all cassettes (the funny thing is that no matter what cassette in FF there is no noise at all). This is my only deck which has not seen a screwdriver (in my household), other than take a look to the condition of the belt and this is why I did not take any action in behalf of that noise which comes and goes. Everything else is as good as  new; all lights glow, recordings as same as at day 1.
>I will entertain offers starting at $400.
>Thanks for reading.
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Tue Jan 24 15:40:43 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:40:43 -0200
Subject: RES: [naktalk] 660ZX
In-Reply-To: <000001ccda25$e8556f20$b9004d60$@net>
References: <000001ccda25$e8556f20$b9004d60$@net>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40438F55E@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Hi Adrian,

 

I´d be interested in buying your NAK and being its "caregiver" for the foreseeable future...!

It would be nice to see some actual pictures of it and maybe more important, where do you live so that I can verify how viable it is for me to buy and collect it. I normally fly into New York, NY almost every other month, so shipment should be to an address in the city. If you live in the UK, I do go to London quite often too, so please let me know how to approach the deal in this regard.

As for your asking price I think we can reach a reasonable quote for this little gem.

 

Best regards from Brazil,

 

Rodrigo Krause

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Adrian Mechner
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 23 de janeiro de 2012 21:23
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: [naktalk] 660ZX

 

I decided to downsize my collection. My first step is to offer my 660ZX to someone who will love it as much as I did.

I really don't know how much to ask for. I checked various resources starting with Audiogone and ending with Epay.

Prices are in most cases unreasonable high reaching over the 1k mark. I'm not looking to get even close to that, however this unit is mint.

It's the one with Auto Azimuth Alignment. Not one scratch, never seen a screwdriver and has always been part of a working audio system. Heads have always been cleaned with "MG Chemicals" Head Cleaner. As being one of many, it was not used on daily basis or even weekly. 

Photos on demand for interested requests and please leave an email. Pinch rollers, capstans, belts, everything is in perfect shape. The ONLY imperfection is a noise in REW mode which is not present in FF. I can't tell for sure if it's a cassette noise or it is related to the deck itself because it isen't present on all cassettes (the funny thing is that no matter what cassette in FF there is no noise at all). This is my only deck which has not seen a screwdriver (in my household), other than take a look to the condition of the belt and this is why I did not take any action in behalf of that noise which comes and goes. Everything else is as good as  new; all lights glow, recordings as same as at day 1.

I will entertain offers starting at $400.

Thanks for reading.


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From adrian at mechner.net  Tue Jan 24 17:25:10 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:25:10 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX
In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40438F55E@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
References: <000001ccda25$e8556f20$b9004d60$@net>
	<382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40438F55E@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
Message-ID: <001401ccdab4$bea34000$3be9c000$@net>

Hi Rodrigo & Ron,

I live in Bellevue WA (Seattle Metropolitan Area).

I’ll post some photos a little bit later and then I will provide the link. I
will take a photos of the unit in my system but I will also pull it out and
take some details like inside and transport. If you guys have any specific
wishes as of angles or view to a specific part of it please just let me know
during the next hour and I will be glad to those shots too.

 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Rodrigo Krause
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:41 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RES: [naktalk] 660ZX

 

Hi Adrian,

 

I´d be interested in buying your NAK and being its “caregiver” for the
foreseeable future
!

It would be nice to see some actual pictures of it and maybe more important,
where do you live so that I can verify how viable it is for me to buy and
collect it. I normally fly into New York, NY almost every other month, so
shipment should be to an address in the city. If you live in the UK, I do go
to London quite often too, so please let me know how to approach the deal in
this regard.

As for your asking price I think we can reach a reasonable quote for this
little gem.

 

Best regards from Brazil,

 

Rodrigo Krause

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de
Adrian Mechner
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 23 de janeiro de 2012 21:23
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: [naktalk] 660ZX

 

I decided to downsize my collection. My first step is to offer my 660ZX to
someone who will love it as much as I did.

I really don’t know how much to ask for. I checked various resources
starting with Audiogone and ending with Epay.

Prices are in most cases unreasonable high reaching over the 1k mark. I’m
not looking to get even close to that, however this unit is mint.

It’s the one with Auto Azimuth Alignment. Not one scratch, never seen a
screwdriver and has always been part of a working audio system. Heads have
always been cleaned with “MG Chemicals” Head Cleaner. As being one of many,
it was not used on daily basis or even weekly. 

Photos on demand for interested requests and please leave an email. Pinch
rollers, capstans, belts, everything is in perfect shape. The ONLY
imperfection is a noise in REW mode which is not present in FF. I can’t tell
for sure if it’s a cassette noise or it is related to the deck itself
because it isen’t present on all cassettes (the funny thing is that no
matter what cassette in FF there is no noise at all). This is my only deck
which has not seen a screwdriver (in my household), other than take a look
to the condition of the belt and this is why I did not take any action in
behalf of that noise which comes and goes. Everything else is as good as
new; all lights glow, recordings as same as at day 1.

I will entertain offers starting at $400.

Thanks for reading.


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de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do
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From adrian at mechner.net  Tue Jan 24 17:59:16 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:59:16 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX
In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40438F55E@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
References: <000001ccda25$e8556f20$b9004d60$@net>
	<382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40438F55E@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
Message-ID: <000001ccdab9$8252ef60$86f8ce20$@net>

Here are the first photos (note the time J) figuring the deck still “at
home”.

Now I’ll pull it out and try to arrange a “studio” for individual shots.

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Rodrigo Krause
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:41 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RES: [naktalk] 660ZX

 

Hi Adrian,

 

I´d be interested in buying your NAK and being its “caregiver” for the
foreseeable future
!

It would be nice to see some actual pictures of it and maybe more important,
where do you live so that I can verify how viable it is for me to buy and
collect it. I normally fly into New York, NY almost every other month, so
shipment should be to an address in the city. If you live in the UK, I do go
to London quite often too, so please let me know how to approach the deal in
this regard.

As for your asking price I think we can reach a reasonable quote for this
little gem.

 

Best regards from Brazil,

 

Rodrigo Krause

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de
Adrian Mechner
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 23 de janeiro de 2012 21:23
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: [naktalk] 660ZX

 

I decided to downsize my collection. My first step is to offer my 660ZX to
someone who will love it as much as I did.

I really don’t know how much to ask for. I checked various resources
starting with Audiogone and ending with Epay.

Prices are in most cases unreasonable high reaching over the 1k mark. I’m
not looking to get even close to that, however this unit is mint.

It’s the one with Auto Azimuth Alignment. Not one scratch, never seen a
screwdriver and has always been part of a working audio system. Heads have
always been cleaned with “MG Chemicals” Head Cleaner. As being one of many,
it was not used on daily basis or even weekly. 

Photos on demand for interested requests and please leave an email. Pinch
rollers, capstans, belts, everything is in perfect shape. The ONLY
imperfection is a noise in REW mode which is not present in FF. I can’t tell
for sure if it’s a cassette noise or it is related to the deck itself
because it isen’t present on all cassettes (the funny thing is that no
matter what cassette in FF there is no noise at all). This is my only deck
which has not seen a screwdriver (in my household), other than take a look
to the condition of the belt and this is why I did not take any action in
behalf of that noise which comes and goes. Everything else is as good as
new; all lights glow, recordings as same as at day 1.

I will entertain offers starting at $400.

Thanks for reading.


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From adrian at mechner.net  Tue Jan 24 17:59:50 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:59:50 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX
In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40438F55E@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
References: <000001ccda25$e8556f20$b9004d60$@net>
	<382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40438F55E@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
Message-ID: <000501ccdab9$96314cc0$c293e640$@net>

Here’s the link:

http://s1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/20021001/Nak660ZX/

 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Rodrigo Krause
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:41 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RES: [naktalk] 660ZX

 

Hi Adrian,

 

I´d be interested in buying your NAK and being its “caregiver” for the
foreseeable future
!

It would be nice to see some actual pictures of it and maybe more important,
where do you live so that I can verify how viable it is for me to buy and
collect it. I normally fly into New York, NY almost every other month, so
shipment should be to an address in the city. If you live in the UK, I do go
to London quite often too, so please let me know how to approach the deal in
this regard.

As for your asking price I think we can reach a reasonable quote for this
little gem.

 

Best regards from Brazil,

 

Rodrigo Krause

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de
Adrian Mechner
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 23 de janeiro de 2012 21:23
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: [naktalk] 660ZX

 

I decided to downsize my collection. My first step is to offer my 660ZX to
someone who will love it as much as I did.

I really don’t know how much to ask for. I checked various resources
starting with Audiogone and ending with Epay.

Prices are in most cases unreasonable high reaching over the 1k mark. I’m
not looking to get even close to that, however this unit is mint.

It’s the one with Auto Azimuth Alignment. Not one scratch, never seen a
screwdriver and has always been part of a working audio system. Heads have
always been cleaned with “MG Chemicals” Head Cleaner. As being one of many,
it was not used on daily basis or even weekly. 

Photos on demand for interested requests and please leave an email. Pinch
rollers, capstans, belts, everything is in perfect shape. The ONLY
imperfection is a noise in REW mode which is not present in FF. I can’t tell
for sure if it’s a cassette noise or it is related to the deck itself
because it isen’t present on all cassettes (the funny thing is that no
matter what cassette in FF there is no noise at all). This is my only deck
which has not seen a screwdriver (in my household), other than take a look
to the condition of the belt and this is why I did not take any action in
behalf of that noise which comes and goes. Everything else is as good as
new; all lights glow, recordings as same as at day 1.

I will entertain offers starting at $400.

Thanks for reading.


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From adrian at mechner.net  Tue Jan 24 19:05:05 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:05:05 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660Zx - Update
Message-ID: <000001ccdac2$b3a88c60$1af9a520$@net>

I'm done taking photos (Inside and out); I do hope to have covered all
angles and the condition as stated can be seen. 

This has never been a storage unit. This deck has always been part of a
working audio system and has been operated at least once a week in a clean,
pet and dust free environment.

It has only been opened periodically to check on the condition of the rubber
parts. The alignment as well as any other adjustable part has never been
touched. All tapes (pre recorded and self recorded, as well as recorded on
other decks)sound the same as ever. Please note that the photos (few of
them) have been taken in macro.

All photos can be seen here:

http://s1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/20021001/Nak660ZX/

 

I have professional experience with packing of turntables which I ship on
weekly basis and packing in a safe manner this baby (which I love )is no
issue.

I really have to downsize and I will consider offers starting at $400
+shipping and eventual money transfer costs. I will ship from USA zip code
98008.

Happy to answer any other questions. If no interest shown, this baby will
hit the "world markets".

Thanks for reading,

 

Adrian

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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Tue Jan 24 19:16:11 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:16:11 -0200
Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX
In-Reply-To: <001401ccdab4$bea34000$3be9c000$@net>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E551@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Thanks Adrian. I have no specific requirements for the pictures other than what you already mentioned. All I need are sharp images.
Thank you,
Rodrigo

________________________________

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Tue Jan 24 14:25:10 2012
Assunto: RE: [naktalk] 660ZX 



Hi Rodrigo & Ron,

I live in Bellevue WA (Seattle Metropolitan Area).

I’ll post some photos a little bit later and then I will provide the link. I will take a photos of the unit in my system but I will also pull it out and take some details like inside and transport. If you guys have any specific wishes as of angles or view to a specific part of it please just let me know during the next hour and I will be glad to those shots too.

 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Krause
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:41 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RES: [naktalk] 660ZX

 

Hi Adrian,

 

I´d be interested in buying your NAK and being its “caregiver” for the foreseeable future…!

It would be nice to see some actual pictures of it and maybe more important, where do you live so that I can verify how viable it is for me to buy and collect it. I normally fly into New York, NY almost every other month, so shipment should be to an address in the city. If you live in the UK, I do go to London quite often too, so please let me know how to approach the deal in this regard.

As for your asking price I think we can reach a reasonable quote for this little gem.

 

Best regards from Brazil,

 

Rodrigo Krause

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Adrian Mechner
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 23 de janeiro de 2012 21:23
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: [naktalk] 660ZX

 

I decided to downsize my collection. My first step is to offer my 660ZX to someone who will love it as much as I did.

I really don’t know how much to ask for. I checked various resources starting with Audiogone and ending with Epay.

Prices are in most cases unreasonable high reaching over the 1k mark. I’m not looking to get even close to that, however this unit is mint.

It’s the one with Auto Azimuth Alignment. Not one scratch, never seen a screwdriver and has always been part of a working audio system. Heads have always been cleaned with “MG Chemicals” Head Cleaner. As being one of many, it was not used on daily basis or even weekly. 

Photos on demand for interested requests and please leave an email. Pinch rollers, capstans, belts, everything is in perfect shape. The ONLY imperfection is a noise in REW mode which is not present in FF. I can’t tell for sure if it’s a cassette noise or it is related to the deck itself because it isen’t present on all cassettes (the funny thing is that no matter what cassette in FF there is no noise at all). This is my only deck which has not seen a screwdriver (in my household), other than take a look to the condition of the belt and this is why I did not take any action in behalf of that noise which comes and goes. Everything else is as good as  new; all lights glow, recordings as same as at day 1.

I will entertain offers starting at $400.

Thanks for reading.

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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Tue Jan 24 22:17:44 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:17:44 -0200
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Nak 660Zx - Update
In-Reply-To: <000001ccdac2$b3a88c60$1af9a520$@net>
References: <000001ccdac2$b3a88c60$1af9a520$@net>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC404411FB7@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Hi Adrian,

 

Great pictures and great deck! I´m quite impressed with the cleanliness of the inside. I like it. Question: how do you plan to do this: will you do a bidding process or are you settling on a fixed price (at least in your mind)? If I become the lucky buyer, how can I pay you? I do have a checking account in the US (JP Morgan Chase) or if you do credit cards or Paypal, tell me/us how to proceed.

Regards,

 

Rodrigo

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Adrian Mechner
Enviada em: terça-feira, 24 de janeiro de 2012 16:05
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: [naktalk] Nak 660Zx - Update

 

I'm done taking photos (Inside and out); I do hope to have covered all angles and the condition as stated can be seen. 

This has never been a storage unit. This deck has always been part of a working audio system and has been operated at least once a week in a clean, pet and dust free environment.

It has only been opened periodically to check on the condition of the rubber parts. The alignment as well as any other adjustable part has never been touched. All tapes (pre recorded and self recorded, as well as recorded on other decks)sound the same as ever. Please note that the photos (few of them) have been taken in macro.

All photos can be seen here:

http://s1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/20021001/Nak660ZX/

 

I have professional experience with packing of turntables which I ship on weekly basis and packing in a safe manner this baby (which I love )is no issue.

I really have to downsize and I will consider offers starting at $400 +shipping and eventual money transfer costs. I will ship from USA zip code 98008.

Happy to answer any other questions. If no interest shown, this baby will hit the "world markets".

Thanks for reading,

 

Adrian


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From adrian at mechner.net  Wed Jan 25 00:02:42 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:02:42 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660Zx - Update
In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC404411FB7@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
References: <000001ccdac2$b3a88c60$1af9a520$@net>
	<382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC404411FB7@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
Message-ID: <000601ccdaec$479c1490$d6d43db0$@net>

I really don’t want to take advantage of this community and the people who
run it. I brought it up here because some people did this before and because
I know how much all of you love clean & mint decks.

Since this isn’t a bidding site I feel kind of bad doing this here but
anyways, I’m not a rip off. I would like to get a fair but good price. I
said I’ll give it a two day trial to see if I get to a reasonable point
(which actually has been achieved) and basically that’s it. The highest
offer will receive the deck. Shipping costs and eventual PayPal costs will
have to be taken care of by the buyer. PayPal is actually the most
convenient payment method. 

Anyone willing to purchase this deck can send me his/her best offer at:
adrian_mechner at hotmail.com and I promise to give an answer Thursday at noon
(my local time).

Thanks,

 

Adrian

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Rodrigo Krause
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 1:18 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Nak 660Zx - Update

 

Hi Adrian,

 

Great pictures and great deck! I´m quite impressed with the cleanliness of
the inside. I like it. Question: how do you plan to do this: will you do a
bidding process or are you settling on a fixed price (at least in your
mind)? If I become the lucky buyer, how can I pay you? I do have a checking
account in the US (JP Morgan Chase) or if you do credit cards or Paypal,
tell me/us how to proceed.

Regards,

 

Rodrigo

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de
Adrian Mechner
Enviada em: terça-feira, 24 de janeiro de 2012 16:05
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: [naktalk] Nak 660Zx - Update

 

I’m done taking photos (Inside and out); I do hope to have covered all
angles and the condition as stated can be seen. 

This has never been a storage unit. This deck has always been part of a
working audio system and has been operated at least once a week in a clean,
pet and dust free environment.

It has only been opened periodically to check on the condition of the rubber
parts. The alignment as well as any other adjustable part has never been
touched. All tapes (pre recorded and self recorded, as well as recorded on
other decks)sound the same as ever. Please note that the photos (few of
them) have been taken in macro.

All photos can be seen here:

http://s1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/20021001/Nak660ZX/

 

I have professional experience with packing of turntables which I ship on
weekly basis and packing in a safe manner this baby (which I love )is no
issue.

I really have to downsize and I will consider offers starting at $400
+shipping and eventual money transfer costs. I will ship from USA zip code
98008.

Happy to answer any other questions. If no interest shown, this baby will
hit the “world markets”.

Thanks for reading,

 

Adrian


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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Wed Jan 25 18:26:40 2012
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:26:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660Zx - Update
In-Reply-To: <000601ccdaec$479c1490$d6d43db0$@net>
References: <000001ccdac2$b3a88c60$1af9a520$@net>	<382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC404411FB7@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
	<000601ccdaec$479c1490$d6d43db0$@net>
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Sounds like an auction to me!

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Adrian Mechner
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:03 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 660Zx - Update

 

I really don’t want to take advantage of this community and the people who
run it. I brought it up here because some people did this before and because
I know how much all of you love clean & mint decks.

Since this isn’t a bidding site I feel kind of bad doing this here but
anyways, I’m not a rip off. I would like to get a fair but good price. I
said I’ll give it a two day trial to see if I get to a reasonable point
(which actually has been achieved) and basically that’s it. The highest
offer will receive the deck. Shipping costs and eventual PayPal costs will
have to be taken care of by the buyer. PayPal is actually the most
convenient payment method. 

Anyone willing to purchase this deck can send me his/her best offer at:
adrian_mechner at hotmail.com and I promise to give an answer Thursday at noon
(my local time).

Thanks,

 

Adrian

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Rodrigo Krause
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 1:18 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Nak 660Zx - Update

 

Hi Adrian,

 

Great pictures and great deck! I´m quite impressed with the cleanliness of
the inside. I like it. Question: how do you plan to do this: will you do a
bidding process or are you settling on a fixed price (at least in your
mind)? If I become the lucky buyer, how can I pay you? I do have a checking
account in the US (JP Morgan Chase) or if you do credit cards or Paypal,
tell me/us how to proceed.

Regards,

 

Rodrigo

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de
Adrian Mechner
Enviada em: terça-feira, 24 de janeiro de 2012 16:05
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: [naktalk] Nak 660Zx - Update

 

I’m done taking photos (Inside and out); I do hope to have covered all
angles and the condition as stated can be seen. 

This has never been a storage unit. This deck has always been part of a
working audio system and has been operated at least once a week in a clean,
pet and dust free environment.

It has only been opened periodically to check on the condition of the rubber
parts. The alignment as well as any other adjustable part has never been
touched. All tapes (pre recorded and self recorded, as well as recorded on
other decks)sound the same as ever. Please note that the photos (few of
them) have been taken in macro.

All photos can be seen here:

http://s1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/20021001/Nak660ZX/

 

I have professional experience with packing of turntables which I ship on
weekly basis and packing in a safe manner this baby (which I love )is no
issue.

I really have to downsize and I will consider offers starting at $400
+shipping and eventual money transfer costs. I will ship from USA zip code
98008.

Happy to answer any other questions. If no interest shown, this baby will
hit the “world markets”.

Thanks for reading,

 

Adrian


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From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 26 15:47:25 2012
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:47:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 582 Not Working
Message-ID: <008301ccdc39$6b1979a0$414c6ce0$@comcast.net>

To the Group;

 

I have a 582 that powers up, all the lights are functioning, the capstans
spin and when a tape is inserted, the tension mechanism works.  That however
is all it will do.  It will not fast forward, rewind, play or record.  Also,
the tape counter button is stuck in the pushed in position.  Any suggestions
to get it working again?  

 

Thanks so much for a fantastic support group.

 

dino

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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Thu Jan 26 19:20:37 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:20:37 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 582 Not Working
In-Reply-To: <008301ccdc39$6b1979a0$414c6ce0$@comcast.net>
References: <008301ccdc39$6b1979a0$414c6ce0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAM9V8Mf1yenh=mQLPxAM_8_oQOAXW_fgQayddGPQOkWo8rC6bw@mail.gmail.com>

Dino -

You can first replace the cam belt which will probably put the deck in
motion.  Then you can check to see if the pinch roller rocker arms are
frozen in place.  If not, the cam belt may bring it back to life.

Best of luck.

Willy

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Dean Bauer <dbauer45 at comcast.net> wrote:

> To the Group;****
>
> ** **
>
> I have a 582 that powers up, all the lights are functioning, the capstans
> spin and when a tape is inserted, the tension mechanism works.  That
> however is all it will do.  It will not fast forward, rewind, play or
> record.  Also, the tape counter button is stuck in the pushed in position.
> Any suggestions to get it working again?  ****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks so much for a fantastic support group.****
>
> ** **
>
> dino****
>
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 27 04:35:20 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:35:20 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Foot Pedal Control
Message-ID: <SNT111-W28161C18D1D73CE21A8AB9DB8E0@phx.gbl>





Been on this forum for 10+ years. Didn't know about a Foot Pedal Control.Can't recall anyone mentioning this.Check out the Ebay ad: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-DR-8-Cassette-Deck-w-Foot-Pedal-Control-/130550350706?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e65684372 		 	   		  
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From george.valkov at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 10:18:25 2012
From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:18:25 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Foot Pedal Control
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W28161C18D1D73CE21A8AB9DB8E0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT111-W28161C18D1D73CE21A8AB9DB8E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAK8GNo57OWRn8xQuvLUBKhUXNADkpuG3MtUmW1E6UwMkRzZ2qA@mail.gmail.com>

"These tape decks have been professionally modified to be controlled with
the included foot pedal, allowing you to rewind, fast-forward, play-pause".

Foot pedal has nothing to do with Nakamichi, it's a DIY modification.

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Been on this forum for 10+ years. Didn't know about a Foot Pedal Control.
> Can't recall anyone mentioning this.
> Check out the Ebay ad:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-DR-8-Cassette-Deck-w-Foot-Pedal-Control-/130550350706?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e65684372
>
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From fergus.cullen at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 08:13:50 2012
From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:13:50 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Foot Pedal Control
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W28161C18D1D73CE21A8AB9DB8E0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT111-W28161C18D1D73CE21A8AB9DB8E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CACeid-TbfpVBj3zZ-+MF78cj6oX-gmhWt_bvTUrrqUecNfbZAg@mail.gmail.com>

"These tape decks have been professionally modified to be controlled with
the included foot pedal, allowing you to rewind, fast-forward, play-pause."

Fergus


On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Been on this forum for 10+ years. Didn't know about a Foot Pedal Control.
> Can't recall anyone mentioning this.
> Check out the Ebay ad:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-DR-8-Cassette-Deck-w-Foot-Pedal-Control-/130550350706?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e65684372
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sat Jan 28 19:03:47 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:03:47 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone CDP-2A/E?
Message-ID: <a06f52dc1e75617608fc033e14005a7b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>


Are there any members who had one of these Nak cd players?
It seems I need to adopt one :-)

Wouter



From nicy at wanadoo.es  Sat Jan 28 19:51:23 2012
From: nicy at wanadoo.es (JG)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:51:23 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-505 E NEW IN THE BOX for sale in eBay
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8Mf1yenh=mQLPxAM_8_oQOAXW_fgQayddGPQOkWo8rC6bw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008301ccdc39$6b1979a0$414c6ce0$@comcast.net>
	<CAM9V8Mf1yenh=mQLPxAM_8_oQOAXW_fgQayddGPQOkWo8rC6bw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006c01ccdded$d5082450$7f186cf0$@es>

Nakamichi RX-505 E NEW IN THE BOX for sale in eBay

 

eBay item number: 290663862928

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-RX-505-E-NEW-BOX-/290663862928?pt=LH_Defau
ltDomain_186&hash=item43acea9290#ht_15328wt_1282

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From next at muchomail.com  Sun Jan 29 16:43:21 2012
From: next at muchomail.com (MWB)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 07:43:21 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi RM-15 Remote, asking $130
Message-ID: <20120129074321.D4974256@resin03.mta.everyone.net>

A friend of mine has the quite rare Nakamichi RM-15 remote for sale. It supports the
Nakamichi Dragon and the RX-series of bi-directional decks (reverse play) as well as
Nakamichi standard uni-directional decks.

He's asking $130/€100 + s/h

More information:
http://www.geocities.ws/shiralpatel/Fact.html

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From tr463rsb at comcast.net  Sun Jan 29 19:20:09 2012
From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:20:09 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] New 505 in Box
In-Reply-To: <201201291109.q0TB82EA025008@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <201201291849.q0TImWOC026074@zxe.naks.com>

New in Box 505 - you have to wonder about this, but if true, pretty amazing
find.  

$200+ to ship to US???  Sounds like a finders fee is included. 


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Are there any members who had one of these Nak cd players?
It seems I need to adopt one :-)

Wouter



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Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-505 E NEW IN THE BOX for sale in eBay
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Nakamichi RX-505 E NEW IN THE BOX for sale in eBay

 

eBay item number: 290663862928

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-RX-505-E-NEW-BOX-/290663862928?pt=LH_Defau
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 19:21:25 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:21:25 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL P- supply
Message-ID: <E04986EB-FCE6-4194-A241-7FC2AF1AE204@gmail.com>

Dear  Naka electronics,

My  ZXL- Power Supply

makes  this voltage wrong , and  ( should make ).

+18 Volt     (+12 Volt )

- 12 Volt     (- 04 Volt )

+ 5 Volt       ( + 5 Volt )

+0,5Volt      (+10 Volt )


IC 401 is New, put did not help.

CE cups are New, did not help.

D 401 is all right.


Does one off you have any Idea ?

Thank you very much  in advance !!

regards


gerhard
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From adrian at mechner.net  Sun Jan 29 19:23:46 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:23:46 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone CDP-2A/E?
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Wouter,
I have a really nice store in the Seattle area; they used to have the model
you asked for, not a long time ago.
Stuff comes and goes on daily basis; if you want me to, I can check more
often until one shows up, just let me know.
Here's the website to the place:
http://www.hawthornestereo.com/used/

Adrian


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Are there any members who had one of these Nak cd players?
It seems I need to adopt one :-)

Wouter

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From adrian at mechner.net  Sun Jan 29 21:05:47 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:05:47 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone CDP-2A/E?
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I found it on my CL:

http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/ele/2822535925.html

Let me know what to do. It's on the island and I would need to take the
ferry, but if it helps I can do it.

Adrian

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Are there any members who had one of these Nak cd players?
It seems I need to adopt one :-)

Wouter

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From jmlevitz at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 29 23:01:40 2012
From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:01:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] New 505 in Box
In-Reply-To: <201201291849.q0TImWOC026074@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <1327874500.52608.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

If true, it is not good news. Buyer will have to get it completely serviced - new belts, pinch rollers, new motors as they probably all have frozen, etc.  Worst thing you can do to a Nak is let it sit unused, and this one has been sitting unused for 30 or so years. 
 
Jayson

--- On Sun, 1/29/12, RSB <tr463rsb at comcast.net> wrote:


From: RSB <tr463rsb at comcast.net>
Subject: [naktalk] New 505 in Box
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Sunday, January 29, 2012, 1:20 PM


New in Box 505 - you have to wonder about this, but if true, pretty amazing
find.  

$200+ to ship to US???  Sounds like a finders fee is included. 


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Are there any members who had one of these Nak cd players?
It seems I need to adopt one :-)

Wouter



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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:51:23 +0100
From: "JG" <nicy at wanadoo.es>
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-505 E NEW IN THE BOX for sale in eBay
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
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Nakamichi RX-505 E NEW IN THE BOX for sale in eBay



eBay item number: 290663862928



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-RX-505-E-NEW-BOX-/290663862928?pt=LH_Defau
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 30 00:41:07 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:41:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL P- supply
In-Reply-To: <E04986EB-FCE6-4194-A241-7FC2AF1AE204@gmail.com>
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Hi Gerhard, 


Check Q405 and Q406. There is a chance these are damaged causing the comparator regulator to malfunction. All other power supplies are derived from this one and if this is out, all other voltages will follow suit. Also, check Q409 and Q410 as well although this is less replaced. 


Kind Regards, 

Bala 



________________________________
 From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:21 AM
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL P- supply
 
Dear  Naka electronics,

My  ZXL- Power Supply

makes  this voltage wrong , and  ( should make ).

+18 Volt     (+12 Volt )

- 12 Volt     (- 04 Volt )

+ 5 Volt       ( + 5 Volt )

+0,5Volt      (+10 Volt )


IC 401 is New, put did not help.

CE cups are New, did not help.

D 401 is all right.


Does one off you have any Idea ?

Thank you very much  in advance !!

regards


gerhard
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Jan 30 01:19:10 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:19:10 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone CDP-2A/E?
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Hi Adrian,
I'm looking locally for a player, having it shipped to Europe costs a
fortune these days, plus I will have one for 220v.
Thanks for looking!
Wouter

> Wouter,
> I have a really nice store in the Seattle area; they used to have the
> model
> you asked for, not a long time ago.
> Stuff comes and goes on daily basis; if you want me to, I can check more
> often until one shows up, just let me know.
> Here's the website to the place:
> http://www.hawthornestereo.com/used/
>
> Adrian
>
>



From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 30 02:43:55 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:43:55 -0700
Subject: FW: [naktalk] New 505 in Box
In-Reply-To: <1327874500.52608.YahooMailClassic@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <201201291849.q0TImWOC026074@zxe.naks.com>,
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Message-ID: <SNT111-W12357714550C089EEB0292DB8D0@phx.gbl>



The last of the RX-505's to leave the production line is 1993. So the deck is at least 19 years old.Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:01:40 -0800
From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] New 505 in Box
To: tr463rsb at comcast.net; naktalk at naks.com
CC: 

If true, it is not good news. Buyer will have to get it completely serviced - new belts, pinch rollers, new motors as they probably all have frozen, etc.  Worst thing you can do to a Nak is let it sit unused, and this one has been sitting unused for 30 or so years. 
 
Jayson

--- On Sun, 1/29/12, RSB <tr463rsb at comcast.net> wrote:


From: RSB <tr463rsb at comcast.net>
Subject: [naktalk] New 505 in Box
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Sunday, January 29, 2012, 1:20 PM


New in Box 505 - you have to wonder about this, but if true, pretty amazing
find.  

$200+ to ship to US???  Sounds like a finders fee is included. 




 		 	   		  
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 07:56:09 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:56:09 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL P- supply 220 Volt
In-Reply-To: <1327880467.83923.YahooMailNeo@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <E04986EB-FCE6-4194-A241-7FC2AF1AE204@gmail.com>
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Hi Bala,
I will do that, thank you.

And I want to know all european user from a 1000ZXL or other  
Nakamichi , they should change the voltage from 220 Volt to 240 Volt  
in the Decks.

There is a easy way to do so on the secondary side of the Power  
transformer.

If a Member needs  more infos, i will do photos.

change is made by changing two cables. Orange and red.  After this  
the Power Supply is changed from  europe  in the
1980ies ( 220V ) to UK and Australia ( 240 Volt ). EUROPE IS Now  
230Volt, ((may be to kill old electronics ))

regards


Am 30.01.2012 um 00:41 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:

> Hi Gerhard,
>
> Check Q405 and Q406. There is a chance these are damaged causing  
> the comparator regulator to malfunction. All other power supplies  
> are derived from this one and if this is out, all other voltages  
> will follow suit. Also, check Q409 and Q410 as well although this  
> is less replaced.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Bala
>
> From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:21 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL P- supply
>
> Dear  Naka electronics,
>
> My  ZXL- Power Supply
>
> makes  this voltage wrong , and  ( should make ).
>
> +18 Volt    (+12 Volt )
>
> - 12 Volt    (- 04 Volt )
>
> + 5 Volt      ( + 5 Volt )
>
> +0,5Volt      (+10 Volt )
>
>
> IC 401 is New, put did not help.
>
> CE cups are New, did not help.
>
> D 401 is all right.
>
>
> Does one off you have any Idea ?
>
> Thank you very much  in advance !!
>
> regards
>
>
> gerhard<ZXL supply-1.jpg>
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From nicy at wanadoo.es  Tue Jan 31 00:16:56 2012
From: nicy at wanadoo.es (nicy)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:16:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] New 505 in Box
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NO Jayson,
It has been stored carefully and is in perfect condition, working 100% ok. It don´t need no belt, pinch rollers, etc. all is NEW, just as described. Perhaps a little calibration to fit the tapes you like.
If you don´t believe it, just don´t bid.
Regards.
Javier



El 29/01/2012, a las 23:01, jayson levitz escribió:

> If true, it is not good news. Buyer will have to get it completely serviced - new belts, pinch rollers, new motors as they probably all have frozen, etc.  Worst thing you can do to a Nak is let it sit unused, and this one has been sitting unused for 30 or so years.
>  
> Jayson
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/29/12, RSB <tr463rsb at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> From: RSB <tr463rsb at comcast.net>
> Subject: [naktalk] New 505 in Box
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Date: Sunday, January 29, 2012, 1:20 PM
> 
> New in Box 505 - you have to wonder about this, but if true, pretty amazing
> find.  
> 
> $200+ to ship to US???  Sounds like a finders fee is included. 
> 
> 
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> Are there any members who had one of these Nak cd players?
> It seems I need to adopt one :-)
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> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:51:23 +0100
> From: "JG" <nicy at wanadoo.es>
> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-505 E NEW IN THE BOX for sale in eBay
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> Nakamichi RX-505 E NEW IN THE BOX for sale in eBay
> 
> 
> 
> eBay item number: 290663862928
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-RX-505-E-NEW-BOX-/290663862928?pt=LH_Defau
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From luis at peromarta.org  Tue Jan 31 07:33:04 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:33:04 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] New 505 in Box
In-Reply-To: <0DD9483B-924E-4777-975F-861DB56246C0@wanadoo.es>
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No matter how carefully it's been stored. 

The fact that it works does not mean it needs a full mechanism overhaul and full electronic calibration. 

All rubbers new, of course. 

Good luck. 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 31/01/2012, a las 00:16, nicy <nicy at wanadoo.es> escribió:

> NO Jayson,
> It has been stored carefully and is in perfect condition, working 100% ok. It don´t need no belt, pinch rollers, etc. all is NEW, just as described. Perhaps a little calibration to fit the tapes you like.
> If you don´t believe it, just don´t bid.
> Regards.
> Javier
> 
> 
> 
> El 29/01/2012, a las 23:01, jayson levitz escribió:
> 
>> If true, it is not good news. Buyer will have to get it completely serviced - new belts, pinch rollers, new motors as they probably all have frozen, etc.  Worst thing you can do to a Nak is let it sit unused, and this one has been sitting unused for 30 or so years.
>>  
>> Jayson
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 1/29/12, RSB <tr463rsb at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> From: RSB <tr463rsb at comcast.net>
>> Subject: [naktalk] New 505 in Box
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Date: Sunday, January 29, 2012, 1:20 PM
>> 
>> New in Box 505 - you have to wonder about this, but if true, pretty amazing
>> find.  
>> 
>> $200+ to ship to US???  Sounds like a finders fee is included. 
>> 
>> 
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>> Subject: [naktalk] Anyone CDP-2A/E?
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>> Are there any members who had one of these Nak cd players?
>> It seems I need to adopt one :-)
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>> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:51:23 +0100
>> From: "JG" <nicy at wanadoo.es>
>> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-505 E NEW IN THE BOX for sale in eBay
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>> Nakamichi RX-505 E NEW IN THE BOX for sale in eBay
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>> eBay item number: 290663862928
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>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-RX-505-E-NEW-BOX-/290663862928?pt=LH_Defau
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From adrian at mechner.net  Tue Jan 31 08:17:48 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:17:48 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing
Message-ID: <000001ccdfe8$7011e750$5035b5f0$@net>

Stupid me took out of my closet my CR3A parked for about a year with cam
motor failure. The Donor was in place (Mint BX1) perfectly working. I took
the cam motor off the BX1 and removed as well the motor from the CR3A. I was
so stupid not to take a photo BEFORE taking it apart. Now I'm kinda tired to
go on in the dark about the right position. I was pretty sure it will go
just by itself to where it has to stay.

Any advice or photo of the cam in STOP at the right position will help.

Thanks,

Adrian

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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 31 19:40:17 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:40:17 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing
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References: <000001ccdfe8$7011e750$5035b5f0$@net>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP284C6CDA58080CFAE2C024286720@phx.gbl>

 
The forked extension on the cam motor (cam follower) needs to straddle the
bar in the middle of the cam.  
 
Aloha,
Cheryl
 


  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Adrian Mechner
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 9:18 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing



Stupid me took out of my closet my CR3A parked for about a year with cam
motor failure. The Donor was in place (Mint BX1) perfectly working. I took
the cam motor off the BX1 and removed as well the motor from the CR3A. I was
so stupid not to take a photo BEFORE taking it apart. Now I'm kinda tired to
go on in the dark about the right position. I was pretty sure it will go
just by itself to where it has to stay.

Any advice or photo of the cam in STOP at the right position will help.

Thanks,

Adrian

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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 31 21:02:09 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 13:02:09 -0700
Subject: FW: [naktalk] New 505 in Box
In-Reply-To: <0DD9483B-924E-4777-975F-861DB56246C0@wanadoo.es>
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 If some guy gave me this deck, I would get new rubber belt(s) and a speed check.Without these two things, it would throw off my imagination that the deck is up to snuff.Just picked up in the previous weeks a second Dragon and a first DR-8.Have a good day! From: nicy at wanadoo.es
Subject: Re: [naktalk] New 505 in Box
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:16:56 +0100
To: naktalk at naks.com



NO Jayson,It has been stored carefully and is in perfect condition, working 100% ok. It don´t need no belt, pinch rollers, etc. all is NEW, just as described. Perhaps a little calibration to fit the tapes you like.If you don´t believe it, just don´t bid.Regards.Javier


El 29/01/2012, a las 23:01, jayson levitz escribió:If true, it is not good news. Buyer will have to get it completely serviced - new belts, pinch rollers, new motors as they probably all have frozen, etc.  Worst thing you can do to a Nak is let it sit unused, and this one has been sitting unused for 30 or so years. 
 
Jayson






  		 	   		  
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From adrian at mechner.net  Tue Jan 31 20:30:51 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:30:51 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing
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Thanks, but you would have to a little more specific, please.

What forked extension of the motor are you talking about???

The motor has a an ending which moves a tooth wheel (which is part of the
cam). My problem is not to make the motor move the cam, but the right
timing.

Maybe my question was not very clear. Here is a more detailed question:

What would be the right timing position of the cam in "Stop" mode. The motor
moves the cam just fine, but the timing is wrong.

A photo or any trick/advice will help. 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Kaupp
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:40 AM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing

 

 

The forked extension on the cam motor (cam follower) needs to straddle the
bar in the middle of the cam.  

 

Aloha,

Cheryl

 


 

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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Adrian Mechner
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 9:18 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Help with CR3A timing

Stupid me took out of my closet my CR3A parked for about a year with cam
motor failure. The Donor was in place (Mint BX1) perfectly working. I took
the cam motor off the BX1 and removed as well the motor from the CR3A. I was
so stupid not to take a photo BEFORE taking it apart. Now I'm kinda tired to
go on in the dark about the right position. I was pretty sure it will go
just by itself to where it has to stay.

Any advice or photo of the cam in STOP at the right position will help.

Thanks,

Adrian

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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 31 22:01:35 2012
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 13:01:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] De-mag
Message-ID: <1328043695.75689.YahooMailClassic@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Guys and gals, In the past when I've de-magged heads I have always removed the deck from it's shelf so it's not anywhere near any other deck or tapes etc.  I was wondering if another deck 12 inches away from the deck to be de-magged is too close?Thanks, Bob N
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From fergus.cullen at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 23:17:32 2012
From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:17:32 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] De-mag
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Personally I think that's too close (but I could be wrong!)

Fergus



On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Guys and gals, In the past when I've de-magged heads I have always removed
> the deck from it's shelf so it's not anywhere near any other deck or tapes
> etc.  I was wondering if another deck 12 inches away from the deck to be
> de-magged is too close?
> Thanks, Bob N
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From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz  Wed Jul  4 12:23:17 2012
From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 22:23:17 +1200
Subject: [naktalk] N670ZX project finished
Message-ID: <67DBD9BA47E84C019642FB3A03B1F37E@emachinef0bb72>

Hello everyone,

Happy 4th to all U.S. Naktalk Listers, and all Americans abroad.

I'm back to workshop after complicated operation.

The N670ZX project is finished.

More pictures are on http://www.gennlab.com/n670zx3.html



The ZX7 project has started.



5 Hz RAMM Speed Check Cassette price reduced 
http://www.gennlab.com/5hz_ramm.html



Cheers,



Gennady Lyskin

G e n n L a b
http://www.gennlab.com
info at gennlab.com
Tel: +64 21 238 3056
New Zealand 



From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Fri Jul  6 20:53:03 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 20:53:03 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Gauges for Sale on Ebay (but very high prices)
In-Reply-To: <67DBD9BA47E84C019642FB3A03B1F37E@emachinef0bb72>
References: <67DBD9BA47E84C019642FB3A03B1F37E@emachinef0bb72>
Message-ID: <000001cd5ba8$92fb79c0$b8f26d40$@nl>

Hi All,

For sale on ebay from seller: Nakamichi gauges.
Maybe worth to look for it?

Regards Norman



From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Sat Jul  7 01:41:14 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 01:41:14 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Gauges for Sale on Ebay (but very high prices)
In-Reply-To: <000001cd5ba8$92fb79c0$b8f26d40$@nl>
References: <67DBD9BA47E84C019642FB3A03B1F37E@emachinef0bb72>
	<000001cd5ba8$92fb79c0$b8f26d40$@nl>
Message-ID: <4FF7779A.5010801@univ-rennes1.fr>

Carefull! You cannot see the contact parts at the end of the left 
(record head) sliding bar...


Le 06/07/2012 20:53, Norman van Wijnen a écrit :
> Hi All,
>
> For sale on ebay from seller: Nakamichi gauges.
> Maybe worth to look for it?
>
> Regards Norman
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From davidt124 at internode.on.net  Mon Jul  9 11:50:03 2012
From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:50:03 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon etc
Message-ID: <CC20E394.A482%davidt124@internode.on.net>

There's a Dragon on Ebay Australia for $1795. Is it worth it after storage
for 20+ years?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-CASSETTE-DECK-AUTO-REVERSE-AUTO-
AZIMUTH-NICE-COSMETICS-/180922453457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item2a1fd18
dd1

Same seller is selling a CR7 for $1495.

On another matter, does anyone have a 682ZX parts deck? Please contact off
line if so.

David 


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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  9 13:35:28 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (bg3009 at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 21:35:28 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon etc
In-Reply-To: <CC20E394.A482%davidt124@internode.on.net>
References: <CC20E394.A482%davidt124@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <74C0CE5C-32A5-4D29-B479-D57DFF0D20F8@yahoo.com>

Over the last few years, equipment prices spiral to incredible heights. In some areas, prices are coming down as sanity is beginning to prevail. One has to stop an ask at what price? Many older hands have always remarked that this aren't the real prices but as with everything that led to the precipitous decline in global economy, has been over valued. 

More and more of my long term audiophile friends have consistently challenged this trend. Having built our collection at a fraction of the price of what people throw, I have to agree. 

Many punters and those whom I term 'pseudo-hobbyist', who throw money at gear on gear only to bail out at a profit are two of the many causes why prices have gone up. We have to ask ourselves is this worth paying in light of current economic circumstances. 

We have to pause to think if this means fiscal sense. 

Cheers,
Bala
Sent from Bala's iPad

On 09/07/2012, at 7:50 PM, David Thompson <davidt124 at internode.on.net> wrote:

> There's a Dragon on Ebay Australia for $1795. Is it worth it after storage for 20+ years?
> 
> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-CASSETTE-DECK-AUTO-REVERSE-AUTO-AZIMUTH-NICE-COSMETICS-/180922453457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item2a1fd18dd1
> 
> Same seller is selling a CR7 for $1495.
> 
> On another matter, does anyone have a 682ZX parts deck? Please contact off line if so.
> 
> David 
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From sem121470 at windstream.net  Mon Jul  9 14:38:25 2012
From: sem121470 at windstream.net (GlassWolf)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:38:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon etc
In-Reply-To: <74C0CE5C-32A5-4D29-B479-D57DFF0D20F8@yahoo.com>
References: <CC20E394.A482%davidt124@internode.on.net>
	<74C0CE5C-32A5-4D29-B479-D57DFF0D20F8@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4FFAD0C1.4080506@windstream.net>

The other thing to consider is that after sitting that long (take it 
from me, I bought a "stored" RX-505 and had to do this) it's going to 
need a lot of work to get it back into running condition.  In my case, I 
had to replace all of the belts, replace or resurface all of the rubber 
tires, and had to have the clutch assembly rebuilt by hand, then have 
the entire thing put back together and re-tuned/calibrated to get it 
back to tip-top shape.  Luckily I have a guy that works at extremely 
reasonable rates, but if you send your deck to a typical shop, or 
someone like WIlly, you're looking at $95/hour (USD) labor rates, and 
about $400-500 in charges for restoring the deck beyond what you paid 
for it.

I was lucky in that when I bought the deck it was advertised as working, 
and was insured in shipping, so insurance basically paid for the deck, 
then I just paid for the repairs, so I got my 505 for about $200 all 
in.  If I'd not had the insurance, and had sent the deck off for repair, 
I'd have ended up putting a total of about $800+ into the thing, all 
said and done.

As always, Caveat Emptor.



From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Mon Jul  9 15:25:36 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:25:36 -0300
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Dragon etc
In-Reply-To: <74C0CE5C-32A5-4D29-B479-D57DFF0D20F8@yahoo.com>
References: <CC20E394.A482%davidt124@internode.on.net>
	<74C0CE5C-32A5-4D29-B479-D57DFF0D20F8@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC404C52093@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Dear Bala and members of Naktalk,

 

Since Bala has thrown in his 2 cents of “existential and financial” philosophy, I´d like to share with you some of my thoughts starting from his comments.  Bala: please know that I am an admirer and an avid reader of your emails. I find them extremely well-written and enlightening!!!

 

Being a Hi Fi enthusiast since my early 11 years of age, I can only regret that these highly praised equipment is being sold and bought for such high prices. From an economist´s perspective (my academic training), it is only natural that “scarce goods” command higher prices, especially if two factors are considered: the first, that this kind of equipment is no longer manufactured, and, second, that what was worth US$500 (i.e., my r2r Akai GX365D, bought in 1974), is selling for about that same “nominal price” today. The Nakamichi 1000 I drooled every single day on my bus going to school when the bus drove by a Hi Fi Stereo store, can now be bought for about the same price. Now if you consider what this piece of Hi Fi marvel would cost today, the price asked is a bargain…(don´t rough me up: I´d love to pay less…!).

 

Forma different angle: I´m also a photo enthusiast, and my wild consumer dream was/is to own a 6x6 Hasselblad (for those of you not familiar with the brand, it’s the Rolls Royce – or Nakamichi for that matter – of film and Digital cameras). It used to cost US$2,000 and today, the same camera goes for at least five grand, if not more… This is called inflation (or money depreciation…).

 

So, as my economy class books quoted, “supply and demand rule the world”…

 

I finally completed (well, we never really complete a setup in Hi Fi, I guess..) my dream line-up with three Naks (ZX-7, 660ZX bought from my dear friend Adrian Mechner, a participant of this group, and a 600) and am on the verge of making the (stupid???) acquisition of a 1000ZXL (still a lot of doe!!!), along with my Sansui amps (AU555a, AU7500, AU999) and other stuff I own.

 

To those of you who take/took the time to read my email, thank you!

 

Best regards to all,

 

Rodrigo Krause

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de bg3009 at yahoo.com
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 9 de julho de 2012 08:35
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Dragon etc

 

Over the last few years, equipment prices spiral to incredible heights. In some areas, prices are coming down as sanity is beginning to prevail. One has to stop an ask at what price? Many older hands have always remarked that this aren't the real prices but as with everything that led to the precipitous decline in global economy, has been over valued. 

 

More and more of my long term audiophile friends have consistently challenged this trend. Having built our collection at a fraction of the price of what people throw, I have to agree. 

 

Many punters and those whom I term 'pseudo-hobbyist', who throw money at gear on gear only to bail out at a profit are two of the many causes why prices have gone up. We have to ask ourselves is this worth paying in light of current economic circumstances. 





We have to pause to think if this means fiscal sense. 







Cheers,



Bala

Sent from Bala's iPad


On 09/07/2012, at 7:50 PM, David Thompson <davidt124 at internode.on.net> wrote:

	There's a Dragon on Ebay Australia for $1795. Is it worth it after storage for 20+ years?

	 

	http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-CASSETTE-DECK-AUTO-REVERSE-AUTO-AZIMUTH-NICE-COSMETICS-/180922453457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item2a1fd18dd1

	 

	Same seller is selling a CR7 for $1495.

	 

	On another matter, does anyone have a 682ZX parts deck? Please contact off line if so.

	 

	David 

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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Mon Jul  9 15:35:29 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:35:29 -0300
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Dragon etc
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The pictures look great. The question is whether you can find a similar deck for less, and don´t forget that there´s overseas shipping here… If in good technical shape (i.e., pristine sound), it may be worth the risk… Personally, I think it´s too risky. My experience with eBay is that only one of five decks bought on eBay actually was 100% and looking and playing as if just out of the box (from Adrian Mechner!!!), a second Nak 99% ok (haven´t tested any recordings, only playback). 

 

In short: looks good; don´t know if it sounds good (the ultimate goal!) and is rather expensive, plus you must ship it overseas (airfreight? Maybe another 200 bucks…).

 

Hope I´ve helped…

 

Regards,

 

Rodrigo Krause

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de bg3009 at yahoo.com
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 9 de julho de 2012 08:35
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Dragon etc

 

Over the last few years, equipment prices spiral to incredible heights. In some areas, prices are coming down as sanity is beginning to prevail. One has to stop an ask at what price? Many older hands have always remarked that this aren't the real prices but as with everything that led to the precipitous decline in global economy, has been over valued. 

 

More and more of my long term audiophile friends have consistently challenged this trend. Having built our collection at a fraction of the price of what people throw, I have to agree. 

 

Many punters and those whom I term 'pseudo-hobbyist', who throw money at gear on gear only to bail out at a profit are two of the many causes why prices have gone up. We have to ask ourselves is this worth paying in light of current economic circumstances. 





We have to pause to think if this means fiscal sense. 







Cheers,



Bala

Sent from Bala's iPad


On 09/07/2012, at 7:50 PM, David Thompson <davidt124 at internode.on.net> wrote:

	There's a Dragon on Ebay Australia for $1795. Is it worth it after storage for 20+ years?

	 

	http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-CASSETTE-DECK-AUTO-REVERSE-AUTO-AZIMUTH-NICE-COSMETICS-/180922453457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item2a1fd18dd1

	 

	Same seller is selling a CR7 for $1495.

	 

	On another matter, does anyone have a 682ZX parts deck? Please contact off line if so.

	 

	David 

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From adrian at mechner.net  Mon Jul  9 18:58:28 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 06:58:28 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon etc
In-Reply-To: <4FFAD0C1.4080506@windstream.net>
References: <CC20E394.A482%davidt124@internode.on.net>
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I heard this non-sense before. It sounds to me more like the story with the grapes which, being unreacheable, turned out to be too sour...
Why don't you ask the buyer of the CR7 sold on Ebay in Spain (at $2400+) how many problems that one had after being in th factory sealed box since production?
Also a second question to ask is why a deck in function and with an adequate mileage would be better then a close to new unit stored as described?
I had over the last time the opportunity to unseal two different cassette decks (one of them was a JVC DD7), an amazing direct drive quartz lock 3 head machine and it was simply as on day one. After selling it on Ebay for $450 to someone in Canada I received thank you letters (two in a 30 day time frame). There is no such rule as you described!!! You had bad luck, but that is a different story. One thing ganyone who might have the chance to unseal a cassette deck as old as these should know one simple thing: first of all you need to open up the deck and move by hand the capstan, motor and other belt driven parts. This will make sure that the grease will " brake" and the unit will start up normally. Not doing this might end up in melted belt and depending on the moment it started moving, in a bigger desaster. This being said, if I would need a Dragon ,i would have no problem getting this unit from Australia. The buyer is protected over the "buyer protection" for the full price paid + shipping, if the item is not as described, anyways.

A great week to all of you,

Aloha Adrian :)

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 9, 2012, at 2:38 AM, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net> wrote:

> The other thing to consider is that after sitting that long (take it from me, I bought a "stored" RX-505 and had to do this) it's going to need a lot of work to get it back into running condition.  In my case, I had to replace all of the belts, replace or resurface all of the rubber tires, and had to have the clutch assembly rebuilt by hand, then have the entire thing put back together and re-tuned/calibrated to get it back to tip-top shape.  Luckily I have a guy that works at extremely reasonable rates, but if you send your deck to a typical shop, or someone like WIlly, you're looking at $95/hour (USD) labor rates, and about $400-500 in charges for restoring the deck beyond what you paid for it.
> 
> I was lucky in that when I bought the deck it was advertised as working, and was insured in shipping, so insurance basically paid for the deck, then I just paid for the repairs, so I got my 505 for about $200 all in.  If I'd not had the insurance, and had sent the deck off for repair, I'd have ended up putting a total of about $800+ into the thing, all said and done.
> 
> As always, Caveat Emptor.
> 
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From adrian at mechner.net  Mon Jul  9 18:36:10 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 06:36:10 -1000
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Dragon etc
In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC404C5209D@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
References: <CC20E394.A482%davidt124@internode.on.net>
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Rodrigo my friend,

Reporting from Maui, thanks for the nice words! Really great to start my day reading your comments,
while sitting on the balcony and enjoying the view at 6:30 in the morning.
I wish you and all a great week,

Adrian

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 9, 2012, at 3:35 AM, "Rodrigo Krause" <rkrause at multiplan.com.br> wrote:

> The pictures look great. The question is whether you can find a similar deck for less, and don´t forget that there´s overseas shipping here… If in good technical shape (i.e., pristine sound), it may be worth the risk… Personally, I think it´s too risky. My experience with eBay is that only one of five decks bought on eBay actually was 100% and looking and playing as if just out of the box (from Adrian Mechner!!!), a second Nak 99% ok (haven´t tested any recordings, only playback).
>  
> In short: looks good; don´t know if it sounds good (the ultimate goal!) and is rather expensive, plus you must ship it overseas (airfreight? Maybe another 200 bucks…).
>  
> Hope I´ve helped…
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Rodrigo Krause
>  
> De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de bg3009 at yahoo.com
> Enviada em: segunda-feira, 9 de julho de 2012 08:35
> Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Dragon etc
>  
> Over the last few years, equipment prices spiral to incredible heights. In some areas, prices are coming down as sanity is beginning to prevail. One has to stop an ask at what price? Many older hands have always remarked that this aren't the real prices but as with everything that led to the precipitous decline in global economy, has been over valued. 
>  
> More and more of my long term audiophile friends have consistently challenged this trend. Having built our collection at a fraction of the price of what people throw, I have to agree. 
>  
> Many punters and those whom I term 'pseudo-hobbyist', who throw money at gear on gear only to bail out at a profit are two of the many causes why prices have gone up. We have to ask ourselves is this worth paying in light of current economic circumstances. 
> 
> 
> We have to pause to think if this means fiscal sense. 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bala
> Sent from Bala's iPad
> 
> On 09/07/2012, at 7:50 PM, David Thompson <davidt124 at internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> There's a Dragon on Ebay Australia for $1795. Is it worth it after storage for 20+ years?
>  
> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-CASSETTE-DECK-AUTO-REVERSE-AUTO-AZIMUTH-NICE-COSMETICS-/180922453457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item2a1fd18dd1
>  
> Same seller is selling a CR7 for $1495.
>  
> On another matter, does anyone have a 682ZX parts deck? Please contact off line if so.
>  
> David 
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 20:36:23 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:36:23 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon etc
In-Reply-To: <CDC8A771-2B94-4CA3-83E5-1CBA5C07FC08@mechner.net>
References: <CC20E394.A482%davidt124@internode.on.net>
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Dear Adrian,

I did buy a NOS  700 from Canada. The Seller was asking   before  he  
would  Test the unit in any way.

You can be shure that a german Seller  did  switch on a NOS Deck  
without   knowing anything about pinch Rollers or belts in a Cassette  
Deck.

If one is buying a Deck as new, to use it after 30 years he  just can  
be shure that  this Deck has perfect heads, and  good APS orange caps.

Many other Parts like Electrolytic cups or rubber parts will be  
worse.  Nice would be a DRAGON without abused  knobs.

  If money does not mean that much,  buy the nicest looking Decks   
one can find. The Decks keep value and do reproduce  analogue Music  
at the same time.

regards  Gerhard

Am 09.07.2012 um 18:58 schrieb Adrian Mechner:

> I heard this non-sense before. It sounds to me more like the story  
> with the grapes which, being unreacheable, turned out to be too  
> sour...
> Why don't you ask the buyer of the CR7 sold on Ebay in Spain (at  
> $2400+) how many problems that one had after being in th factory  
> sealed box since production?
> Also a second question to ask is why a deck in function and with an  
> adequate mileage would be better then a close to new unit stored as  
> described?
> I had over the last time the opportunity to unseal two different  
> cassette decks (one of them was a JVC DD7), an amazing direct drive  
> quartz lock 3 head machine and it was simply as on day one. After  
> selling it on Ebay for $450 to someone in Canada I received thank  
> you letters (two in a 30 day time frame). There is no such rule as  
> you described!!! You had bad luck, but that is a different story.  
> One thing ganyone who might have the chance to unseal a cassette  
> deck as old as these should know one simple thing: first of all you  
> need to open up the deck and move by hand the capstan, motor and  
> other belt driven parts. This will make sure that the grease will "  
> brake" and the unit will start up normally. Not doing this might  
> end up in melted belt and depending on the moment it started  
> moving, in a bigger desaster. This being said, if I would need a  
> Dragon ,i would have no problem getting this unit from Australia.  
> The buyer is protected over the "buyer protection" for the full pric!
>  e paid + shipping, if the item is not as described, anyways.
>
> A great week to all of you,
>
> Aloha Adrian :)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 9, 2012, at 2:38 AM, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>  
> wrote:
>
>> The other thing to consider is that after sitting that long (take  
>> it from me, I bought a "stored" RX-505 and had to do this) it's  
>> going to need a lot of work to get it back into running  
>> condition.  In my case, I had to replace all of the belts, replace  
>> or resurface all of the rubber tires, and had to have the clutch  
>> assembly rebuilt by hand, then have the entire thing put back  
>> together and re-tuned/calibrated to get it back to tip-top shape.   
>> Luckily I have a guy that works at extremely reasonable rates, but  
>> if you send your deck to a typical shop, or someone like WIlly,  
>> you're looking at $95/hour (USD) labor rates, and about $400-500  
>> in charges for restoring the deck beyond what you paid for it.
>>
>> I was lucky in that when I bought the deck it was advertised as  
>> working, and was insured in shipping, so insurance basically paid  
>> for the deck, then I just paid for the repairs, so I got my 505  
>> for about $200 all in.  If I'd not had the insurance, and had sent  
>> the deck off for repair, I'd have ended up putting a total of  
>> about $800+ into the thing, all said and done.
>>
>> As always, Caveat Emptor.
>>
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Mon Jul  9 21:28:51 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:28:51 -0300
Subject: RES: RES: [naktalk] Dragon etc
In-Reply-To: <61E6351D-9F1B-41C4-B730-FE77C7B1B45C@mechner.net>
References: <CC20E394.A482%davidt124@internode.on.net><74C0CE5C-32A5-4D29-B479-D57DFF0D20F8@yahoo.com><382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC404C5209D@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
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No problem. You deserve the praise. 

 

By the way: I finally got around to record a new tape on the 660ZX and was flabbergasted by its quality! Thank you and enjoy the view!!!

Regards,


Rodrigo

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Adrian Mechner
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 9 de julho de 2012 13:36
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: Re: RES: [naktalk] Dragon etc

 

Rodrigo my friend,

 

Reporting from Maui, thanks for the nice words! Really great to start my day reading your comments,

while sitting on the balcony and enjoying the view at 6:30 in the morning.

I wish you and all a great week,

 

Adrian


Sent from my iPad


On Jul 9, 2012, at 3:35 AM, "Rodrigo Krause" <rkrause at multiplan.com.br> wrote:

	The pictures look great. The question is whether you can find a similar deck for less, and don´t forget that there´s overseas shipping here… If in good technical shape (i.e., pristine sound), it may be worth the risk… Personally, I think it´s too risky. My experience with eBay is that only one of five decks bought on eBay actually was 100% and looking and playing as if just out of the box (from Adrian Mechner!!!), a second Nak 99% ok (haven´t tested any recordings, only playback). 

	 

	In short: looks good; don´t know if it sounds good (the ultimate goal!) and is rather expensive, plus you must ship it overseas (airfreight? Maybe another 200 bucks…).

	 

	Hope I´ve helped…

	 

	Regards,

	 

	Rodrigo Krause

	 

	De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de bg3009 at yahoo.com
	Enviada em: segunda-feira, 9 de julho de 2012 08:35
	Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
	Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Dragon etc

	 

	Over the last few years, equipment prices spiral to incredible heights. In some areas, prices are coming down as sanity is beginning to prevail. One has to stop an ask at what price? Many older hands have always remarked that this aren't the real prices but as with everything that led to the precipitous decline in global economy, has been over valued. 

	 

	More and more of my long term audiophile friends have consistently challenged this trend. Having built our collection at a fraction of the price of what people throw, I have to agree. 

	 

	Many punters and those whom I term 'pseudo-hobbyist', who throw money at gear on gear only to bail out at a profit are two of the many causes why prices have gone up. We have to ask ourselves is this worth paying in light of current economic circumstances. 

	
	
	
	

	We have to pause to think if this means fiscal sense. 
	
	
	

	
	
	
	

	Cheers,
	
	
	

	Bala

	Sent from Bala's iPad

	
	On 09/07/2012, at 7:50 PM, David Thompson <davidt124 at internode.on.net> wrote:

		There's a Dragon on Ebay Australia for $1795. Is it worth it after storage for 20+ years?

		 

		http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-CASSETTE-DECK-AUTO-REVERSE-AUTO-AZIMUTH-NICE-COSMETICS-/180922453457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item2a1fd18dd1

		 

		Same seller is selling a CR7 for $1495.

		 

		On another matter, does anyone have a 682ZX parts deck? Please contact off line if so.

		 

		David 

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From sem121470 at windstream.net  Mon Jul  9 21:31:16 2012
From: sem121470 at windstream.net (GlassWolf)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:31:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon etc
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Nicely said.  I concur.

On 7/9/2012 2:36 PM, Gerhard Wartha wrote:
> Dear Adrian,
>
> I did buy a NOS  700 from Canada. The Seller was asking   before he 
> would  Test the unit in any way.
> You can be sure that a german Seller  did  switch on a NOS Deck 
> *without knowing anything about pinch Rollers or belts in a Cassette 
> Deck. *
> If one is buying a Deck as new, to use it after 30 years he  just can 
> be sure that  this Deck has perfect heads, and  good APS orange caps.
> *Many other Parts like Electrolytic cups or rubber parts will be 
> worse. * Nice would be a DRAGON without abused  knobs.
> If money does not mean that much,  buy the nicest looking Decks one 
> can find. The Decks keep value and do reproduce  analogue Music at the 
> same time.
> regards  Gerhard

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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 10 08:20:55 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 23:20:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RES: RES: [naktalk] Dragon etc
In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC404C5216E@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
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I shall throw my 2 pennies here.

Prices per se on US ebay are sporadic. They always have been that way. I recently sold a Dragon and CR7 for a moderate price of $1035. However, during the same listing time, a 682Zx fetched me a meager $326.00
All three were serviced decks one by ESL and 2 by Willy. I have only one reason to rationalize this. The 682ZX to some is less valuable. Period. The Dragon/CR7A in serviced conditions are hot cakes any day!


I believe the prices have not come radically down due to the recession or the financial downfall as some may hypothesise. It is a matter of timing and listing finesse. Summer has usually seen lighter bidding volume and more conservative bidding than winter or colder months.( at least in USA ebay) Remember, the ones that have the money always did and always will to further their hobby/collection. :)'


The Australian Dragon IMHO isnt worth its price due to the machine sitting in one place and not been serviced. I have never bought an unserviced Dragon for over $500 US.


The collectors ( serious ones ) out there will not hesitate to buy at whatever the cost for a good deck!....and some collectors only buy and sell for a reason. To get to a deck that sounds perfect to them. I know I do!


Enjoy summer folks!

Ram.
From my age old and time tested PC.

________________________________
 From: Rodrigo Krause <rkrause at multiplan.com.br>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 3:28 PM
Subject: RES: RES: [naktalk] Dragon etc
 

No problem. You deserve the praise. 
 
By the way: I finally got around to record a new tape on the 660ZX and was flabbergasted by its quality! Thank you and enjoy the view!!!
Regards,

Rodrigo
 
De:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Adrian Mechner
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 9 de julho de 2012 13:36
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: Re: RES: [naktalk] Dragon etc
 
Rodrigo my friend,
 
Reporting from Maui, thanks for the nice words! Really great to start my day reading your comments,
while sitting on the balcony and enjoying the view at 6:30 in the morning.
I wish you and all a great week,
 
Adrian

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 9, 2012, at 3:35 AM, "Rodrigo Krause" <rkrause at multiplan.com.br> wrote:
The pictures look great. The question is whether you can find a similar deck for less, and don´t forget that there´s overseas shipping here… If in good technical shape (i.e., pristine sound), it may be worth the risk… Personally, I think it´s too risky. My experience with eBay is that only one of five decks bought on eBay actually was 100% and looking and playing as if just out of the box (from Adrian Mechner!!!), a second Nak 99% ok (haven´t tested any recordings, only playback). 
> 
>In short: looks good; don´t know if it sounds good (the ultimate goal!) and is rather expensive, plus you must ship it overseas (airfreight? Maybe another 200 bucks…).
> 
>Hope I´ve helped…
> 
>Regards,
> 
>Rodrigo Krause
> 
>
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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Wed Jul 11 22:37:55 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman Naktalk van Wijnen)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:37:55 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
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Hi Willy,

 

A question:

 

I am busy replacing all orange caps in a ZX9 and find a 22000pf  orange cap
on C305. This cap is 100 Volt. I have however only a 63 volt 1% replacement.

I wonder why Nakamichi decided to use 100 Volt orange caps. There was never
reached such a voltage inside the deck.

Is it possible to replace the 100 Volt orange caps with 63 volt caps? Or is
this a bad idea?

 

I hope you have a thought about this.

 

Regards Norman

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From sem121470 at windstream.net  Wed Jul 11 23:00:20 2012
From: sem121470 at windstream.net (GlassWolf)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:00:20 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
In-Reply-To: <000c01cd5fa5$0d51a730$27f4f590$@nl>
References: <SNT111-W431AC8927664A39CAB2C05DB000@phx.gbl>	<CAM9V8McNo4hegnQf6ajP7drwkwj4Wy708+9SfmKpM6HHGCGF+A@mail.gmail.com>	<SNT111-W13A4CB1833745C6B08ABBDDBF50@phx.gbl>
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if it's a power supply capacitor, it could very easily reach 100, 120, 
or 240 volts, depending on your location.  "Orange drops" are power 
supply caps.  I haven't looked to see which one you're replacing, 
though.  I didn't download the service manual to see what it is.

On 7/11/2012 4:37 PM, Norman Naktalk van Wijnen wrote:
>
> Hi Willy,
>
> A question:
>
> I am busy replacing all orange caps in a ZX9 and find a 22000pf 
>  orange cap on C305. This cap is 100 Volt. I have however only a 63 
> volt 1% replacement.
>
> I wonder why Nakamichi decided to use 100 Volt orange caps. There was 
> never reached such a voltage inside the deck.
>
> Is it possible to replace the 100 Volt orange caps with 63 volt caps? 
> Or is this a bad idea?
>
> I hope you have a thought about this.
>
> Regards Norman
>
>
>
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From luis at peromarta.org  Wed Jul 11 23:38:37 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:38:37 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
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Really? 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 11/07/2012, a las 23:00, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net> escribió:

> if it's a power supply capacitor, it could very easily reach 100, 120, or 240 volts, depending on your location.  "Orange drops" are power supply caps.  I haven't looked to see which one you're replacing, though.  I didn't download the service manual to see what it is.
> 
> On 7/11/2012 4:37 PM, Norman Naktalk van Wijnen wrote:
>> Hi Willy,
>>  
>> A question:
>>  
>> I am busy replacing all orange caps in a ZX9 and find a 22000pf  orange cap on C305. This cap is 100 Volt. I have however only a 63 volt 1% replacement.
>> I wonder why Nakamichi decided to use 100 Volt orange caps. There was never reached such a voltage inside the deck.
>> Is it possible to replace the 100 Volt orange caps with 63 volt caps? Or is this a bad idea?
>>  
>> I hope you have a thought about this.
>>  
>> Regards Norman
>> 
>> 
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From pbtanner at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 12 11:40:12 2012
From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:40:12 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
Message-ID: <SNT127-W631B34E218E6D0D15BBA85DFD00@phx.gbl>


Hello,

I have a 482Z which seems to be functioning quite well. Initially it did not record and had playback problems. The playback problem was due to a bad belt and a stuck pinch roller. That was corrected. Then we changed the 2 orange caps and transistors in the bias oscillator and now it erases and records well. There is one problem however. It changes speed unexpectedly half way thru a tape. Goes up or down for a few seconds then it settles back to normal only to do it again 10 minutes later. Obviously there is a bad wobble when it does that. Plus it holds the faster or slower speed for about a minute. Changed the capstan motor twice, same result. Everything seems to be functioning well in the transport, flywheel bearings are cleaned and re-lubed, new belts, the tape tensioner checked, pinch rollers are clean, the hubs seem to move along freely and the guide height on the stuck pinch roller was set up with Willy's gauge. Did not change the idler tire as it seems to be just fine. Lot of rubber left on it and it fast forwards/rewinds real well. Plus halving the transport is an enormous hassle so if it's not necessary I'd like to avoid it. I am wondering if this problem is electronic or mechanical. At the motor terminal the voltage on the meter is 12 volt. If anyone has any idea about or input on this, please tell me.
Thanks

Peter
 		 	   		  
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Thu Jul 12 12:20:49 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 10:20:49 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Orange drops and voltages
Message-ID: <114543839-1342088451-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1638712983-@b14.c16.bise6.blackberry>

Orange caps used in Nakamichi decks are polypropylene audio caps. 63V is a fine replacement for the 100V ones. Larger polypros were often only available in higher voltages, when higher values were used. I don't recall finding any .022uF orange caps ever bad, but if you want to replace them all for the heck of it, 63V is fine.
Perry Esposito - From my phone


From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Thu Jul 12 12:35:09 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 10:35:09 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
In-Reply-To: <F919CFD4-B527-4629-85DD-F2E66D564931@peromarta.org>
References: <SNT111-W431AC8927664A39CAB2C05DB000@phx.gbl>
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Orange caps used in the power supply? Are you kidding me. I really wish people that know nothing about repairing naks would stop adding there 2 cents. Check to see if the cap is used in an oscillator circuit, if I had to guess it is probable in the erase oscillator circuit. A 63 volt cap would be fine.

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:39 PM
To: glasswolf at glasswolf.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages

Really?

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 11/07/2012, a las 23:00, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net<mailto:sem121470 at windstream.net>> escribió:
if it's a power supply capacitor, it could very easily reach 100, 120, or 240 volts, depending on your location.  "Orange drops" are power supply caps.  I haven't looked to see which one you're replacing, though.  I didn't download the service manual to see what it is.

On 7/11/2012 4:37 PM, Norman Naktalk van Wijnen wrote:
Hi Willy,

A question:

I am busy replacing all orange caps in a ZX9 and find a 22000pf  orange cap on C305. This cap is 100 Volt. I have however only a 63 volt 1% replacement.
I wonder why Nakamichi decided to use 100 Volt orange caps. There was never reached such a voltage inside the deck.
Is it possible to replace the 100 Volt orange caps with 63 volt caps? Or is this a bad idea?

I hope you have a thought about this.

Regards Norman




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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Thu Jul 12 17:31:32 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 08:31:32 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
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References: <SNT127-W631B34E218E6D0D15BBA85DFD00@phx.gbl>
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You never said that you changed the capstan belt.  This symptom is usually
caused by a capstan belt which is too loose and occasionally jumps up on
the high point of the motor pulley then drops back down after a while.  You
can see that while it's happening.

Best of luck.

Willy

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Hello,
>
> I have a 482Z which seems to be functioning quite well. Initially it did
> not record and had playback problems. The playback problem was due to a bad
> belt and a stuck pinch roller. That was corrected. Then we changed the 2
> orange caps and transistors in the bias oscillator and now it erases and
> records well. There is one problem however. It changes speed unexpectedly
> half way thru a tape. Goes up or down for a few seconds then it settles
> back to normal only to do it again 10 minutes later. Obviously there is a
> bad wobble when it does that. Plus it holds the faster or slower speed for
> about a minute. Changed the capstan motor twice, same result. Everything
> seems to be functioning well in the transport, flywheel bearings are
> cleaned and re-lubed, new belts, the tape tensioner checked, pinch rollers
> are clean, the hubs seem to move along freely and the guide height on the
> stuck pinch roller was set up with Willy's gauge. Did not change the idler
> tire as it seems to be just fine. Lot of rubber left on it and it fast
> forwards/rewinds real well. Plus halving the transport is an enormous
> hassle so if it's not necessary I'd like to avoid it. I am wondering if
> this problem is electronic or mechanical. At the motor terminal the voltage
> on the meter is 12 volt. If anyone has any idea about or input on this,
> please tell me.
> Thanks
>
> Peter
>
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Thu Jul 12 17:34:28 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 08:34:28 -0700
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
In-Reply-To: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED446899FBD0@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
References: <SNT111-W431AC8927664A39CAB2C05DB000@phx.gbl>
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Scott -- please don't jump on people like that.  This forum is for all
levels of experience.  A kind work and correction will go a lot further
than berating someone and will keep people from being too gun shy to ask a
question!!

Willy

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com>wrote:

>  Orange caps used in the power supply? Are you kidding me. I really wish
> people that know nothing about repairing naks would stop adding there 2
> cents. Check to see if the cap is used in an oscillator circuit, if I had
> to guess it is probable in the erase oscillator circuit. A 63 volt cap
> would be fine.****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Luis Peromarta
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:39 PM
> *To:* glasswolf at glasswolf.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Cc:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages****
>
> ** **
>
> Really?
>
> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.****
>
>
> El 11/07/2012, a las 23:00, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net> escribió:
> ****
>
>  if it's a power supply capacitor, it could very easily reach 100, 120,
> or 240 volts, depending on your location.  "Orange drops" are power supply
> caps.  I haven't looked to see which one you're replacing, though.  I
> didn't download the service manual to see what it is.
>
> On 7/11/2012 4:37 PM, Norman Naktalk van Wijnen wrote:****
>
>  Hi Willy,****
>
>  ****
>
> A question:****
>
>  ****
>
> I am busy replacing all orange caps in a ZX9 and find a 22000pf  orange
> cap on C305. This cap is 100 Volt. I have however only a 63 volt 1%
> replacement.****
>
> I wonder why Nakamichi decided to use 100 Volt orange caps. There was
> never reached such a voltage inside the deck.****
>
> Is it possible to replace the 100 Volt orange caps with 63 volt caps? Or
> is this a bad idea?****
>
>  ****
>
> I hope you have a thought about this.****
>
>  ****
>
> Regards Norman****
>
>
>
>
> ****
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Thu Jul 12 17:34:58 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 08:34:58 -0700
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Willy Hermann <
willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:

> Scott -- please don't jump on people like that.  This forum is for all
> levels of experience.  A kind word and correction will go a lot further
> than berating someone and will keep people from being too gun shy to ask a
> question!!
>
> Willy
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com>wrote:
>
>>  Orange caps used in the power supply? Are you kidding me. I really wish
>> people that know nothing about repairing naks would stop adding there 2
>> cents. Check to see if the cap is used in an oscillator circuit, if I had
>> to guess it is probable in the erase oscillator circuit. A 63 volt cap
>> would be fine.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Luis Peromarta
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:39 PM
>> *To:* glasswolf at glasswolf.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> *Cc:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Really?
>>
>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.****
>>
>>
>> El 11/07/2012, a las 23:00, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>
>> escribió:****
>>
>>  if it's a power supply capacitor, it could very easily reach 100, 120,
>> or 240 volts, depending on your location.  "Orange drops" are power supply
>> caps.  I haven't looked to see which one you're replacing, though.  I
>> didn't download the service manual to see what it is.
>>
>> On 7/11/2012 4:37 PM, Norman Naktalk van Wijnen wrote:****
>>
>>  Hi Willy,****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> A question:****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> I am busy replacing all orange caps in a ZX9 and find a 22000pf  orange
>> cap on C305. This cap is 100 Volt. I have however only a 63 volt 1%
>> replacement.****
>>
>> I wonder why Nakamichi decided to use 100 Volt orange caps. There was
>> never reached such a voltage inside the deck.****
>>
>> Is it possible to replace the 100 Volt orange caps with 63 volt caps? Or
>> is this a bad idea?****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> I hope you have a thought about this.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Regards Norman****
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ****
>>
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From lucidsound at ic24.net  Thu Jul 12 18:59:57 2012
From: lucidsound at ic24.net (Lucidsounds)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:59:57 +0100
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
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Sorry, but Scott has a point.  Asking questions at any level is what this group should be about.  Offering advice when you know nothing is just about the worst thing you can do here.  

It doesn't take 5 minutes to Google 'Nak Orange Cap disease' to identify exactly what and where these capacitors are and what the effects of them failing is.  Suggesting that they are only found in the power supply is like saying the meters on a Dragon use small red bulbs and not LED's. 


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Willy Hermann 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:34 PM
  Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages


  Scott -- please don't jump on people like that.  This forum is for all levels of experience.  A kind work and correction will go a lot further than berating someone and will keep people from being too gun shy to ask a question!!


  Willy


  On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:

    Orange caps used in the power supply? Are you kidding me. I really wish people that know nothing about repairing naks would stop adding there 2 cents. Check to see if the cap is used in an oscillator circuit, if I had to guess it is probable in the erase oscillator circuit. A 63 volt cap would be fine.



    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta
    Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:39 PM
    To: glasswolf at glasswolf.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages



    Really? 

    Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.


    El 11/07/2012, a las 23:00, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net> escribió:

      if it's a power supply capacitor, it could very easily reach 100, 120, or 240 volts, depending on your location.  "Orange drops" are power supply caps.  I haven't looked to see which one you're replacing, though.  I didn't download the service manual to see what it is.

      On 7/11/2012 4:37 PM, Norman Naktalk van Wijnen wrote:

        Hi Willy,



        A question:



        I am busy replacing all orange caps in a ZX9 and find a 22000pf  orange cap on C305. This cap is 100 Volt. I have however only a 63 volt 1% replacement.

        I wonder why Nakamichi decided to use 100 Volt orange caps. There was never reached such a voltage inside the deck.

        Is it possible to replace the 100 Volt orange caps with 63 volt caps? Or is this a bad idea?



        I hope you have a thought about this.



        Regards Norman






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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Thu Jul 12 22:11:34 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:11:34 -0700
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
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Point taken.  It was more the tone of the response I found jarring.  How
about "I think you will find that there are no orange drop caps in the
power supply" or something a bit smoother than "are you kidding me".

Just my two cents.

Willy

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Lucidsounds <lucidsound at ic24.net> wrote:

> **
> Sorry, but Scott has a point.  Asking questions at any level is what this
> group should be about.  Offering advice when you know nothing is just about
> the worst thing you can do here.
>
> It doesn't take 5 minutes to Google 'Nak Orange Cap disease' to identify
> exactly what and where these capacitors are and what the effects of them
> failing is.  Suggesting that they are only found in the power supply is
> like saying the meters on a Dragon use small red bulbs and not LED's.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:34 PM
> *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
>
> Scott -- please don't jump on people like that.  This forum is for all
> levels of experience.  A kind work and correction will go a lot further
> than berating someone and will keep people from being too gun shy to ask a
> question!!
>
> Willy
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com>wrote:
>
>>  Orange caps used in the power supply? Are you kidding me. I really wish
>> people that know nothing about repairing naks would stop adding there 2
>> cents. Check to see if the cap is used in an oscillator circuit, if I had
>> to guess it is probable in the erase oscillator circuit. A 63 volt cap
>> would be fine.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Luis Peromarta
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:39 PM
>> *To:* glasswolf at glasswolf.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> *Cc:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Really?
>>
>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.****
>>
>>
>> El 11/07/2012, a las 23:00, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>
>> escribió:****
>>
>>  if it's a power supply capacitor, it could very easily reach 100, 120,
>> or 240 volts, depending on your location.  "Orange drops" are power supply
>> caps.  I haven't looked to see which one you're replacing, though.  I
>> didn't download the service manual to see what it is.
>>
>> On 7/11/2012 4:37 PM, Norman Naktalk van Wijnen wrote:****
>>
>>  Hi Willy,****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> A question:****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I am busy replacing all orange caps in a ZX9 and find a 22000pf  orange
>> cap on C305. This cap is 100 Volt. I have however only a 63 volt 1%
>> replacement.****
>>
>> I wonder why Nakamichi decided to use 100 Volt orange caps. There was
>> never reached such a voltage inside the deck.****
>>
>> Is it possible to replace the 100 Volt orange caps with 63 volt caps? Or
>> is this a bad idea?****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I hope you have a thought about this.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Regards Norman****
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ****
>>
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>>
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From sem121470 at windstream.net  Thu Jul 12 16:20:56 2012
From: sem121470 at windstream.net (GlassWolf)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 10:20:56 -0400
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
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http://www.tubesandmore.com/products/C-P-600V
600+ Volt orange drops, in .022uF incidentally.

The snotty attitude and insults were uncalled for.  Please read more 
closely next time.  I clearly stated that the high voltage orange drops 
(ie 600+V) are used  in power supplies.  I just had to source some for a 
guy who insisted on using only orange drops in a device he brought in 
for service that needed those same 600V orange drop capacitors replaced 
*in the power supply*.  (No, not a tape deck, or anything home audio 
related)   I /also /stated, that I had *not *downloaded the service 
manual to see exactly which capacitor it was to which he was referring.


On 7/12/2012 6:35 AM, Garner, Scott H wrote:
>
> Orange caps used in the power supply? Are you kidding me. I really 
> wish people that know nothing about repairing naks would stop adding 
> there 2 cents. Check to see if the cap is used in an oscillator 
> circuit, if I had to guess it is probable in the erase oscillator 
> circuit. A 63 volt cap would be fine.
>
> *From:*naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On 
> Behalf Of *Luis Peromarta
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:39 PM
> *To:* glasswolf at glasswolf.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Cc:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
>
> Really?
>
> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.
>
>
> El 11/07/2012, a las 23:00, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net 
> <mailto:sem121470 at windstream.net>> escribió:
>
>     if it's a power supply capacitor, it could very easily reach 100,
>     120, or 240 volts, depending on your location.  "Orange drops" are
>     power supply caps.  I haven't looked to see which one you're
>     replacing, though.  I didn't download the service manual to see
>     what it is.
>
>     On 7/11/2012 4:37 PM, Norman Naktalk van Wijnen wrote:
>
>         Hi Willy,
>
>         A question:
>
>         I am busy replacing all orange caps in a ZX9 and find a
>         22000pf  orange cap on C305. This cap is 100 Volt. I have
>         however only a 63 volt 1% replacement.
>
>         I wonder why Nakamichi decided to use 100 Volt orange caps.
>         There was never reached such a voltage inside the deck.
>
>         Is it possible to replace the 100 Volt orange caps with 63
>         volt caps? Or is this a bad idea?
>
>         I hope you have a thought about this.
>
>         Regards Norman
>
>
>
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From pbtanner at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 12 22:02:06 2012
From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:02:06 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
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Thanks, Willy. I have, actually, but I've put in an older belt. It came off my 581 which I never use. The belt is from Fred Marrs originally and not used much. Seems to sit pretty snug and steady on the pulley but he has just sent me a brand new one so I'll put that in and see what happens. I was wondering if there was some voltage regulator or something like it that might cause the motor behave erratically. On the 3khz tape the reading goes up and down. Especially after start up. Also the transformer in this deck is very hot after about half an hour use. It has a shield around it but you can't keep your finger on it too long. My other deck is a 582 and the transformer in it is never hot, even after hours of use. I am aware that the electronics are totally different but still.

Best regards

Peter

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 08:31:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482Z
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
To: naktalk at naks.com

You never said that you changed the capstan belt.  This symptom is usually caused by a capstan belt which is too loose and occasionally jumps up on the high point of the motor pulley then drops back down after a while.  You can see that while it's happening.

Best of luck.
Willy

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com> wrote:





Hello,

I have a 482Z which seems to be functioning quite well. Initially it did not record and had playback problems. The playback problem was due to a bad belt and a stuck pinch roller. That was corrected. Then we changed the 2 orange caps and transistors in the bias oscillator and now it erases and records well. There is one problem however. It changes speed unexpectedly half way thru a tape. Goes up or down for a few seconds then it settles back to normal only to do it again 10 minutes later. Obviously there is a bad wobble when it does that. Plus it holds the faster or slower speed for about a minute. Changed the capstan motor twice, same result. Everything seems to be functioning well in the transport, flywheel bearings are cleaned and re-lubed, new belts, the tape tensioner checked, pinch rollers are clean, the hubs seem to move along freely and the guide height on the stuck pinch roller was set up with Willy's gauge. Did not change the idler tire as it seems to be just fine. Lot of rubber left on it and it fast forwards/rewinds real well. Plus halving the transport is an enormous hassle so if it's not necessary I'd like to avoid it. I am wondering if this problem is electronic or mechanical. At the motor terminal the voltage on the meter is 12 volt. If anyone has any idea about or input on this, please tell me.

Thanks

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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 23:47:49 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:47:49 -0700 (PDT)
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Hi folks,

I agree with Willy that rude remarks are totally uncalled for, in any forum, let alone this one where some not as informed as others
try and learn by asking questions and/or answering them. The answers may not always be right for the situation, but that does not mean a member should admonish 
another or use harsh words in an unwarranted manner.

Let us all learn about Naks and learn to be tolerant to all of our knowledge or lack thereof.

Thanks.
Ram



________________________________
 From: GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
 

http://www.tubesandmore.com/products/C-P-600V
600+ Volt orange drops, in .022uF incidentally.  

The snotty attitude and insults were uncalled for.  Please read
      more closely next time.  I clearly stated that the high voltage
      orange drops (ie 600+V) are used  in power supplies.  I just had
      to source some for a guy who insisted on using only orange drops
      in a device he brought in for service that needed those same 600V
      orange drop capacitors replaced in the power supply.  (No, not a tape deck, or anything home audio related)   I also stated, that I had not downloaded the service manual to see exactly which capacitor it was to which he was referring.


On 7/12/2012 6:35 AM, Garner, Scott H wrote:

 
>Orange caps used in the power supply? Are you kidding me. I really wish people that know nothing about repairing naks would stop adding there 2 cents. Check to see if the cap is used in an oscillator circuit, if I had to guess it is probable in the erase oscillator circuit. A 63 volt cap would be fine.
> 
>From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta
>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:39 PM
>To: glasswolf at glasswolf.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
> 
>Really? 
>
>Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.
>
>El 11/07/2012, a las 23:00, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net> escribió:
>if it's a power supply capacitor, it could very easily reach 100, 120, or 240 volts, depending on your location.  "Orange drops" are power supply caps.  I haven't looked to see which one you're replacing, though.  I didn't download the service manual to see what it is.
>>
>>On 7/11/2012 4:37 PM, Norman Naktalk van Wijnen wrote:
>>Hi Willy,
>>> 
>>>A question:
>>> 
>>>I am busy replacing all orange caps in a ZX9 and find a 22000pf  orange cap on C305. This cap is 100 Volt. I have however only a 63 volt 1% replacement.
>>>I wonder why Nakamichi decided to use 100 Volt orange caps. There was never reached such a voltage inside the deck.
>>>Is it possible to replace the 100 Volt orange caps with 63 volt caps? Or is this a bad idea?
>>> 
>>>I hope you have a thought about this.
>>> 
>>>Regards Norman
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Fri Jul 13 00:58:52 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:58:52 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
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The transformer isn't supposed to run that hot.  You probably do have some
type of electronic problem.  Suspect the filter capacitors in the power
supply.  See if any of them is physically damaged - like expanded or having
some black or brown substance dried which has leaked out of the bottom.  If
not that then it may be a regulator.  Do they run hot too?

Willy

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Thanks, Willy. I have, actually, but I've put in an older belt. It came
> off my 581 which I never use. The belt is from Fred Marrs originally and
> not used much. Seems to sit pretty snug and steady on the pulley but he has
> just sent me a brand new one so I'll put that in and see what happens. I
> was wondering if there was some voltage regulator or something like it that
> might cause the motor behave erratically. On the 3khz tape the reading goes
> up and down. Especially after start up. Also the transformer in this deck
> is very hot after about half an hour use. It has a shield around it but you
> can't keep your finger on it too long. My other deck is a 582 and the
> transformer in it is never hot, even after hours of use. I am aware that
> the electronics are totally different but still.
>
> Best regards
>
> Peter
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 08:31:32 -0700
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482Z
> From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
> To: naktalk at naks.com
>
>
> You never said that you changed the capstan belt.  This symptom is usually
> caused by a capstan belt which is too loose and occasionally jumps up on
> the high point of the motor pulley then drops back down after a while.  You
> can see that while it's happening.
>
> Best of luck.
>
> Willy
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>  Hello,
>
> I have a 482Z which seems to be functioning quite well. Initially it did
> not record and had playback problems. The playback problem was due to a bad
> belt and a stuck pinch roller. That was corrected. Then we changed the 2
> orange caps and transistors in the bias oscillator and now it erases and
> records well. There is one problem however. It changes speed unexpectedly
> half way thru a tape. Goes up or down for a few seconds then it settles
> back to normal only to do it again 10 minutes later. Obviously there is a
> bad wobble when it does that. Plus it holds the faster or slower speed for
> about a minute. Changed the capstan motor twice, same result. Everything
> seems to be functioning well in the transport, flywheel bearings are
> cleaned and re-lubed, new belts, the tape tensioner checked, pinch rollers
> are clean, the hubs seem to move along freely and the guide height on the
> stuck pinch roller was set up with Willy's gauge. Did not change the idler
> tire as it seems to be just fine. Lot of rubber left on it and it fast
> forwards/rewinds real well. Plus halving the transport is an enormous
> hassle so if it's not necessary I'd like to avoid it. I am wondering if
> this problem is electronic or mechanical. At the motor terminal the voltage
> on the meter is 12 volt. If anyone has any idea about or input on this,
> please tell me.
> Thanks
>
> Peter
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From emberphoto at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 12 23:06:38 2012
From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:06:38 -0400
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
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	<000c01cd5fa5$0d51a730$27f4f590$@nl>,
	<4FFDE964.7030600@windstream.net>,
	<F919CFD4-B527-4629-85DD-F2E66D564931@peromarta.org>,
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED446899FBD0@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>,
	<CAM9V8Mc2KfF-J0bZu8c=Ft26SXtOmQeY3CFCUwXLmV5zMmvYTw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<7EDF598E1F4E4B69BCA55310AFCEDDC4@Magdallen>,
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Call me old fashioned, but I agree with Willy regarding "tone.". 
Civility is just in too short supply in the world around us - and it seems especially so in web discourse. 
Lucid is also correct about offering advise when one is ill suited to do so.
We have a common interest: We love our Naks for their refined sound. It's good to keep a "refined" tone to our discourse. Remember: Politeness is next to Nakiness.
Cheers and enjoy the music!
Steve

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:11:34 -0700
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
To: naktalk at naks.com

Point taken.  It was more the tone of the response I found jarring.  How about "I think you will find that there are no orange drop caps in the power supply" or something a bit smoother than "are you kidding me".

Just my two cents.
Willy

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Lucidsounds <lucidsound at ic24.net> wrote:








Sorry, but Scott has a point.  Asking 
questions at any level is what this group should be about.  Offering advice 
when you know nothing is just about the worst thing you can do here.  

 
It doesn't take 5 minutes to Google 'Nak Orange Cap 
disease' to identify exactly what and where these capacitors are and what the 
effects of them failing is.  Suggesting that they are only found in the 
power supply is like saying the meters on a Dragon use small red bulbs and 
not LED's. 
 
 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Willy Hermann 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:34 
  PM
  Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] 
  orange caps and voltages
  
Scott -- please don't jump on people like that.  This 
  forum is for all levels of experience.  A kind work and correction will 
  go a lot further than berating someone and will keep people from being too gun 
  shy to ask a question!!
  

  Willy


  On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:

  
    
    
    Orange 
    caps used in the power supply? Are you kidding me. I really wish people that 
    know nothing about repairing naks would stop adding there 2 cents. Check to 
    see if the cap is used in an oscillator circuit, if I had to guess it is 
    probable in the erase oscillator circuit. A 63 volt cap would be 
    fine.
     
    
    
    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis 
    Peromarta
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:39 PM
To: glasswolf at glasswolf.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette 
    Decks
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: 
    EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and 
    voltages
     
    
    Really? 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse 
    typos.
    
    
El 11/07/2012, a las 
    23:00, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net> 
    escribió:
    
      
      
      if it's a power supply capacitor, it could very easily 
      reach 100, 120, or 240 volts, depending on your location.  "Orange 
      drops" are power supply caps.  I haven't looked to see which one 
      you're replacing, though.  I didn't download the service manual to 
      see what it is.

On 7/11/2012 4:37 PM, Norman Naktalk van Wijnen 
      wrote:
      
        
        Hi 
        Willy,
         
        A 
        question:
         
        I 
        am busy replacing all orange caps in a ZX9 and find a 22000pf 
         orange cap on C305. This cap is 100 Volt. I have however only a 63 
        volt 1% replacement.
        I 
        wonder why Nakamichi decided to use 100 Volt orange caps. There was 
        never reached such a voltage inside the deck.
        Is 
        it possible to replace the 100 Volt orange caps with 63 volt caps? Or is 
        this a bad idea?
         
        I 
        hope you have a thought about this.
         
        Regards 
        Norman
        


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From sem121470 at windstream.net  Thu Jul 12 23:23:10 2012
From: sem121470 at windstream.net (GlassWolf)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:23:10 -0400
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
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References: <SNT111-W431AC8927664A39CAB2C05DB000@phx.gbl><CAM9V8McNo4hegnQf6ajP7drwkwj4Wy708+9SfmKpM6HHGCGF+A@mail.gmail.com><SNT111-W13A4CB1833745C6B08ABBDDBF50@phx.gbl><CAM9V8MfsobG-ehzOtrL3QqV+E0Uco2foacumbzm+E7VsgSw0WA@mail.gmail.com><000c01cd5fa5$0d51a730$27f4f590$@nl><4FFDE964.7030600@windstream.net><F919CFD4-B527-4629-85DD-F2E66D564931@peromarta.org><A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED446899FBD0@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
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Apparently this list is also about misinterpretation and illiteracy 
looking at the responses to my post.


On 7/12/2012 12:59 PM, Lucidsounds wrote:
> Sorry, but Scott has a point. Asking questions at any level is what 
> this group should be about.  Offering advice when you know nothing is 
> just about the worst thing you can do here.
> It doesn't take 5 minutes to Google 'Nak Orange Cap disease' to 
> identify exactly what and where these capacitors are and what the 
> effects of them failing is.  Suggesting that they are only found in 
> the power supply is like saying the meters on a Dragon use small red 
> bulbs and not LED's.
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Willy Hermann <mailto:willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>     *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:34 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
>
>     Scott -- please don't jump on people like that.  This forum is for
>     all levels of experience.  A kind work and correction will go a
>     lot further than berating someone and will keep people from being
>     too gun shy to ask a question!!
>
>     Willy
>
>     On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Garner, Scott H
>     <scott.h.garner at lmco.com <mailto:scott.h.garner at lmco.com>> wrote:
>
>         Orange caps used in the power supply? Are you kidding me. I
>         really wish people that know nothing about repairing naks
>         would stop adding there 2 cents. Check to see if the cap is
>         used in an oscillator circuit, if I had to guess it is
>         probable in the erase oscillator circuit. A 63 volt cap would
>         be fine.
>
>         *From:*naktalk-bounces at naks.com
>         <mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com>
>         [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com
>         <mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com>] *On Behalf Of *Luis Peromarta
>         *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:39 PM
>         *To:* glasswolf at glasswolf.net
>         <mailto:glasswolf at glasswolf.net>; Talk about Nakamichi
>         Cassette Decks
>         *Cc:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>         *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
>
>         Really?
>
>         Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.
>
>
>         El 11/07/2012, a las 23:00, GlassWolf
>         <sem121470 at windstream.net <mailto:sem121470 at windstream.net>>
>         escribió:
>
>             if it's a power supply capacitor, it could very easily
>             reach 100, 120, or 240 volts, depending on your location. 
>             "Orange drops" are power supply caps.  I haven't looked to
>             see which one you're replacing, though.  I didn't download
>             the service manual to see what it is.
>
>             On 7/11/2012 4:37 PM, Norman Naktalk van Wijnen wrote:
>
>                 Hi Willy,
>
>                 A question:
>
>                 I am busy replacing all orange caps in a ZX9 and find
>                 a 22000pf  orange cap on C305. This cap is 100 Volt. I
>                 have however only a 63 volt 1% replacement.
>
>                 I wonder why Nakamichi decided to use 100 Volt orange
>                 caps. There was never reached such a voltage inside
>                 the deck.
>
>                 Is it possible to replace the 100 Volt orange caps
>                 with 63 volt caps? Or is this a bad idea?
>
>                 I hope you have a thought about this.
>
>                 Regards Norman
>
>
>
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From russellstorey at westnet.com.au  Fri Jul 13 05:03:09 2012
From: russellstorey at westnet.com.au (russellstorey)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:03:09 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Louis >what Capacitors do you recommend are as good or
	better in both sound quality and tolerance .. than the originals ? 
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Hi Luis 

 

 

 

1/ The  question  is  what   /  brand of cap / type /  series / %tolerance    do you use to replace  the various  original  Orange Caps to enable good sound quality and  proper calibration

 

2/ Where do you buy your replacement caps from   ? 

 

 As you are well and truly  aware the replacement  for the orange caps need to be as  good or better in  both  sound quality and tolerance .. than the originals  ? 

 

 

FYI ,  “ This is only hear say “   Apparently  the original  Orange Caps   63v / 100V /  in both   5 % and  3%  , values of 220Pf   620pf  330 pf 820 pf 560 pf  .0012 uf  0.033uf  .0047uf  .0015Uf  .068 uf .0047uf  etc  (  As used in the Nakamichi   ZX9 ,7  1000 ZXL , Dragon  , CR7 ,  680 Series , ,    Record /Play  head amplifiers, also on the  Dolby  Encode /Decode  boards , Bias  oscillators     , metering , Azimuth circuits , Mpx , record /play filters , etc     were still available through  a  manufacturer   in Taiwan built to original spec  ,,, But  the company manufacturing them closed up 12 months ago .

 

 

Regards 
Russell

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta
Sent: Thursday, 12 July 2012 7:39 AM
To: glasswolf at glasswolf.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages

 

Really? 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.


El 11/07/2012, a las 23:00, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net> escribió:

if it's a power supply capacitor, it could very easily reach 100, 120, or 240 volts, depending on your location.  "Orange drops" are power supply caps.  I haven't looked to see which one you're replacing, though.  I didn't download the service manual to see what it is.

On 7/11/2012 4:37 PM, Norman Naktalk van Wijnen wrote:

Hi Willy,

 

A question:

 

I am busy replacing all orange caps in a ZX9 and find a 22000pf  orange cap on C305. This cap is 100 Volt. I have however only a 63 volt 1% replacement.

I wonder why Nakamichi decided to use 100 Volt orange caps. There was never reached such a voltage inside the deck.

Is it possible to replace the 100 Volt orange caps with 63 volt caps? Or is this a bad idea?

 

I hope you have a thought about this.

 

Regards Norman





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From davidt124 at internode.on.net  Fri Jul 13 10:12:33 2012
From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 18:12:33 +1000
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
In-Reply-To: <SNT123-W40900217B92C654DFEDBE0DED00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CC260DB5.AA2C%davidt124@internode.on.net>

A little controversy seems to stimulate responses more than being polite or
dull. My recent problem fizzed out on and off line. Probably in the too hard
basket.
I turned to the 'experts' but an Aussie tech (in NSW) turned nasty on me
(not recommended) and overseas ones don't reply. Such is life!
I will risk asking for something silly and you can regard me as half dim ­
I would love some advice on finding what on the logic board is causing the
1A fuses to blow in a 682ZX.

David 

From:  Steve Ember <emberphoto at hotmail.com>
Reply-To:  Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Date:  Friday, 13 July 2012 7:06 AM
To:  Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject:  RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages

> Call me old fashioned, but I agree with Willy regarding "tone.".
> 
> Civility is just in too short supply in the world around us - and it seems
> especially so in web discourse.
> 
> Lucid is also correct about offering advise when one is ill suited to do so.
> 
> We have a common interest: We love our Naks for their refined sound. It's good
> to keep a "refined" tone to our discourse. Remember: Politeness is next to
> Nakiness.
> 
> Cheers and enjoy the music!
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:11:34 -0700
> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
> From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> 
> Point taken.  It was more the tone of the response I found jarring.  How about
> "I think you will find that there are no orange drop caps in the power supply"
> or something a bit smoother than "are you kidding me".
> 
> Just my two cents.
> 
> Willy
> 
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Lucidsounds <lucidsound at ic24.net> wrote:
>> Sorry, but Scott has a point.  Asking questions at any level is what this
>> group should be about.  Offering advice when you know nothing is just about
>> the worst thing you can do here.
>>  
>> It doesn't take 5 minutes to Google 'Nak Orange Cap disease' to identify
>> exactly what and where these capacitors are and what the effects of them
>> failing is.  Suggesting that they are only found in the power supply is like
>> saying the meters on a Dragon use small red bulbs and not LED's.
>>  
>>  
>>>  
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>  
>>> From:  Willy Hermann <mailto:willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>>>  
>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
>>>  
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:34  PM
>>>  
>>> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk]  orange caps and voltages
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Scott -- please don't jump on people like that.  This  forum is for all
>>> levels of experience.  A kind work and correction will  go a lot further
>>> than berating someone and will keep people from being too gun  shy to ask a
>>> question!! 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Willy
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 


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From luis at peromarta.org  Fri Jul 13 10:16:50 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:16:50 +0100
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
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Can you please explain this, so I don't misinterpret :

"if it's a power supply capacitor, it could very easily reach 100, 120, or 240 volts, depending on your location"

Do you mean in Europe we have 240V caps in the power supply, and in US 120V?

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 12/07/2012, a las 22:23, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net> escribió:

> Apparently this list is also about misinterpretation and illiteracy looking at the responses to my post.
> 
> 
> On 7/12/2012 12:59 PM, Lucidsounds wrote:
>> Sorry, but Scott has a point.  Asking questions at any level is what this group should be about.  Offering advice when you know nothing is just about the worst thing you can do here. 
>>  
>> It doesn't take 5 minutes to Google 'Nak Orange Cap disease' to identify exactly what and where these capacitors are and what the effects of them failing is.  Suggesting that they are only found in the power supply is like saying the meters on a Dragon use small red bulbs and not LED's.
>>  
>>  
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Willy Hermann
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
>> 
>> Scott -- please don't jump on people like that.  This forum is for all levels of experience.  A kind work and correction will go a lot further than berating someone and will keep people from being too gun shy to ask a question!!
>> 
>> Willy
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
>> Orange caps used in the power supply? Are you kidding me. I really wish people that know nothing about repairing naks would stop adding there 2 cents. Check to see if the cap is used in an oscillator circuit, if I had to guess it is probable in the erase oscillator circuit. A 63 volt cap would be fine.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:39 PM
>> To: glasswolf at glasswolf.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Really? 
>> 
>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.
>> 
>> 
>> El 11/07/2012, a las 23:00, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net> escribió:
>> 
>> if it's a power supply capacitor, it could very easily reach 100, 120, or 240 volts, depending on your location.  "Orange drops" are power supply caps.  I haven't looked to see which one you're replacing, though.  I didn't download the service manual to see what it is.
>> 
>> On 7/11/2012 4:37 PM, Norman Naktalk van Wijnen wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Willy,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> A question:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I am busy replacing all orange caps in a ZX9 and find a 22000pf  orange cap on C305. This cap is 100 Volt. I have however only a 63 volt 1% replacement.
>> 
>> I wonder why Nakamichi decided to use 100 Volt orange caps. There was never reached such a voltage inside the deck.
>> 
>> Is it possible to replace the 100 Volt orange caps with 63 volt caps? Or is this a bad idea?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I hope you have a thought about this.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Regards Norman
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From sem121470 at windstream.net  Fri Jul 13 16:20:47 2012
From: sem121470 at windstream.net (GlassWolf)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:20:47 -0400
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
In-Reply-To: <CC260DB5.AA2C%davidt124@internode.on.net>
References: <CC260DB5.AA2C%davidt124@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <50002EBF.20504@windstream.net>

No, arrogance and rudeness encourages me to leave this list in search of 
a better medium of support and discussion with better moderation is all 
it does.

On 7/13/2012 4:12 AM, David Thompson wrote:
> A little controversy seems to stimulate responses more than being 
> polite or dull. My recent problem fizzed out on and off line. Probably 
> in the too hard basket.
> I turned to the 'experts' but an Aussie tech (in NSW) turned nasty on 
> me (not recommended) and overseas ones don't reply. Such is life!
> I will risk asking for something silly and you can regard me as half 
> dim --
> I would love some advice on finding what on the logic board is causing 
> the 1A fuses to blow in a 682ZX.
>
> David
>
> From: Steve Ember <emberphoto at hotmail.com <mailto:emberphoto at hotmail.com>>
> Reply-To: Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>>
> Date: Friday, 13 July 2012 7:06 AM
> To: Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>>
> Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
>
>     Call me old fashioned, but I agree with Willy regarding "tone.".
>
>     Civility is just in too short supply in the world around us - and
>     it seems especially so in web discourse.
>
>     Lucid is also correct about offering advise when one is ill suited
>     to do so.
>
>     We have a common interest: We love our Naks for their refined
>     sound. It's good to keep a "refined" tone to our discourse.
>     Remember: Politeness is next to Nakiness.
>
>     Cheers and enjoy the music!
>
>     Steve
>
>
>     Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:11:34 -0700
>     Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
>     From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
>     <mailto:willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>     To: naktalk at naks.com <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
>
>     Point taken.  It was more the tone of the response I found
>     jarring.  How about "I think you will find that there are no
>     orange drop caps in the power supply" or something a bit smoother
>     than "are you kidding me".
>
>     Just my two cents.
>
>     Willy
>
>     On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Lucidsounds <lucidsound at ic24.net
>     <mailto:lucidsound at ic24.net>> wrote:
>
>         Sorry, but Scott has a point.  Asking questions at any level
>         is what this group should be about.  Offering advice when you
>         know nothing is just about the worst thing you can do here.
>         It doesn't take 5 minutes to Google 'Nak Orange Cap disease'
>         to identify exactly what and where these capacitors are and
>         what the effects of them failing is.  Suggesting that they are
>         only found in the power supply is like saying the meters on a
>         Dragon use small red bulbs and not LED's.
>
>             ----- Original Message -----
>             *From:* Willy Hermann <mailto:willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>             *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>             <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
>             *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:34 PM
>             *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and
>             voltages
>
>             Scott -- please don't jump on people like that.  This
>             forum is for all levels of experience.  A kind work and
>             correction will go a lot further than berating someone and
>             will keep people from being too gun shy to ask a question!!
>
>             Willy
>
>
>
>
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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 17:32:47 2012
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:32:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
In-Reply-To: <CC260DB5.AA2C%davidt124@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <1342193567.5198.YahooMailClassic@web184708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

David, Just curious if you've measured across the fuse holder with the fuse removed to see what the current draw is? Does anyone know what the current draw should be?Bob N

A little controversy seems to stimulate responses more than being polite or dull. My recent problem fizzed out on and off line. Probably in the too hard basket.I turned to the 'experts' but an Aussie tech (in NSW) turned nasty on me (not recommended) and overseas ones don't reply. Such is life!I will risk asking for something silly and you can regard me as half dim –I would love some advice on finding what on the logic board is causing the 1A fuses to blow in a 682ZX.
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From pbtanner at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 13 18:44:50 2012
From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:44:50 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8McpUj=dtypWXo48oPe_q2xV=H0_r+fwv3aNJn6_4P+miw@mail.gmail.com>
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No, the only thing that's hot is the transformer. Not immediately. Takes about a half an hour or so. None of the large blue electrolytic caps show any visible damage and they are cold. There are four of them.The transistor, Q429, is hot as well but there is a heat sink around it so perhaps it's normal. Everything functions well except the occasional speed change generally towards the middle of a tape. Happens more often on commercially recorded cassettes. The belt and the counter/stop belt are brand new now. As for the regulators, I have the SM but have not been able to identify them.

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:58:52 -0700
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482Z
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
To: naktalk at naks.com

The transformer isn't supposed to run that hot.  You probably do have some type of electronic problem.  Suspect the filter capacitors in the power supply.  See if any of them is physically damaged - like expanded or having some black or brown substance dried which has leaked out of the bottom.  If not that then it may be a regulator.  Do they run hot too?

Willy

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com> wrote:





Thanks, Willy. I have, actually, but I've put in an older belt. It came off my 581 which I never use. The belt is from Fred Marrs originally and not used much. Seems to sit pretty snug and steady on the pulley but he has just sent me a brand new one so I'll put that in and see what happens. I was wondering if there was some voltage regulator or something like it that might cause the motor behave erratically. On the 3khz tape the reading goes up and down. Especially after start up. Also the transformer in this deck is very hot after about half an hour use. It has a shield around it but you can't keep your finger on it too long. My other deck is a 582 and the transformer in it is never hot, even after hours of use. I am aware that the electronics are totally different but still.


Best regards

Peter

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 08:31:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482Z
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com

To: naktalk at naks.com

You never said that you changed the capstan belt.  This symptom is usually caused by a capstan belt which is too loose and occasionally jumps up on the high point of the motor pulley then drops back down after a while.  You can see that while it's happening.


Best of luck.
Willy

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com> wrote:






Hello,

I have a 482Z which seems to be functioning quite well. Initially it did not record and had playback problems. The playback problem was due to a bad belt and a stuck pinch roller. That was corrected. Then we changed the 2 orange caps and transistors in the bias oscillator and now it erases and records well. There is one problem however. It changes speed unexpectedly half way thru a tape. Goes up or down for a few seconds then it settles back to normal only to do it again 10 minutes later. Obviously there is a bad wobble when it does that. Plus it holds the faster or slower speed for about a minute. Changed the capstan motor twice, same result. Everything seems to be functioning well in the transport, flywheel bearings are cleaned and re-lubed, new belts, the tape tensioner checked, pinch rollers are clean, the hubs seem to move along freely and the guide height on the stuck pinch roller was set up with Willy's gauge. Did not change the idler tire as it seems to be just fine. Lot of rubber left on it and it fast forwards/rewinds real well. Plus halving the transport is an enormous hassle so if it's not necessary I'd like to avoid it. I am wondering if this problem is electronic or mechanical. At the motor terminal the voltage on the meter is 12 volt. If anyone has any idea about or input on this, please tell me.


Thanks

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 20:53:51 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 11:53:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
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Bob, that's an excellent way to blow a meter. A better idea is to disconnect power from the 

suspected circuit and feed it instead from a current limited lab supply. This will pinpoint the 

fault in short order.


-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:32 AM
>Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
> 
>
>David, Just curious if you've measured across the fuse holder with the fuse removed to see what the current draw is? Does anyone know what the current draw should be?
>Bob N
>>
>>
>>A little controversy seems to stimulate responses more than being polite or dull. My recent problem fizzed out on and off line. Probably in the too hard basket.
>>I turned to the 'experts' but an Aussie tech (in NSW) turned nasty on me (not recommended) and overseas ones don't reply. Such is life!
>>I will risk asking for something silly and you can regard me as half dim –
>>I would love some advice on finding what on the logic board is causing the 1A fuses to blow in a 682ZX.
>>
>>
>>David 
>>
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From gvgeoffward at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 22:02:39 2012
From: gvgeoffward at yahoo.com (Geoff Ward)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:02:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
In-Reply-To: <1342205631.13621.YahooMailNeo@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I don't post often on the site ... but in this case I have a suggestion...put a small light bulb in place of the fuse...it will limit the current to a safe value and hopefully let you troubleshoot the circuit. Start by feeling for anything getting unusually warm...
 
Geoff
 

________________________________
 From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
   


Bob, that's an excellent way to blow a meter. A better idea is to disconnect power from the 

suspected circuit and feed it instead from a current limited lab supply. This will pinpoint the 

fault in short order.


-- Ron



>________________________________
> From: Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:32 AM
>Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
>   
>David, Just curious if you've measured across the fuse holder with the fuse removed to see what the current draw is? Does anyone know what the current draw should be?
>Bob N
>>
>>
>>A little controversy seems to stimulate responses more than being polite or dull. My recent problem fizzed out on and off line. Probably in the too hard basket.
>>I turned to the 'experts' but an Aussie tech (in NSW) turned nasty on me (not recommended) and overseas ones don't reply. Such is life!
>>I will risk asking for something silly and you can regard me as half dim –
>>I would love some advice on finding what on the logic board is causing the 1A fuses to blow in a 682ZX.
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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 23:17:50 2012
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:17:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
In-Reply-To: <1342205631.13621.YahooMailNeo@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1342214270.64906.YahooMailClassic@web184717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Thanks for your input Ron. My meter is fused and has a 10 amp setting so if it does blow the 10A fuse in the meter then you probably have a direct short somewhere in the circuit. Do you agree or is that still not a good idea?Bob N

--- On Fri, 7/13/12, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, July 13, 2012, 11:53 AM


Bob, that's an excellent way to blow a meter. A better idea is to disconnect power from the 
suspected circuit and feed it instead from a current limited lab supply. This will pinpoint the 
fault in short order.

-- Ron
        From: Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com>
 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:32 AM
 Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
   

David, Just curious if you've measured across the fuse holder with the fuse removed to see what the current draw is? Does anyone know what the current draw should be?Bob N

A little controversy seems to stimulate responses more than being polite or dull. My recent problem fizzed out on and off line. Probably in the too hard basket.I turned to the 'experts' but an Aussie tech (in NSW) turned nasty on me (not recommended) and overseas ones don't reply. Such is life!I will risk asking for something silly and you can regard me as half dim –I would love
 some advice on
 finding what on the logic board is causing the 1A fuses to blow in a 682ZX.
David 

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From jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr  Sat Jul 14 12:29:31 2012
From: jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr (Jean-Jerome PREJEAN)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 12:29:31 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] PB ON 582
Message-ID: <49C89260-A309-421D-89A5-A775B6722B5A@orange.fr>

  HI guys!
problems on582
NO sound  needles at -40
power controllers ready
tape/ source no mistake
calibration inactivated
what s wrong 


From eunkefer at verizon.net  Sat Jul 14 18:38:12 2012
From: eunkefer at verizon.net (Ed Unkefer)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 12:38:12 -0400
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
In-Reply-To: <1342214270.64906.YahooMailClassic@web184717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1342205631.13621.YahooMailNeo@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Not a good idea, you are replacing the 1 amp fuse with the 10 amp meter fuse, probably will cause more damage than help in finding the problem.

Regards, Ed

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:18 PM
To: Ron; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages

 


Thanks for your input Ron. My meter is fused and has a 10 amp setting so if it does blow the 10A fuse in the meter then you probably have a direct short somewhere in the circuit. Do you agree or is that still not a good idea?

Bob N

--- On Fri, 7/13/12, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, July 13, 2012, 11:53 AM

 

Bob, that's an excellent way to blow a meter. A better idea is to disconnect power from the 

suspected circuit and feed it instead from a current limited lab supply. This will pinpoint the 

fault in short order.

 

-- Ron

 


  _____  


From: Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages

 


David, Just curious if you've measured across the fuse holder with the fuse removed to see what the current draw is? Does anyone know what the current draw should be?

Bob N

A little controversy seems to stimulate responses more than being polite or dull. My recent problem fizzed out on and off line. Probably in the too hard basket.

I turned to the 'experts' but an Aussie tech (in NSW) turned nasty on me (not recommended) and overseas ones don't reply. Such is life!

I will risk asking for something silly and you can regard me as half dim –

I would love some advice on finding what on the logic board is causing the 1A fuses to blow in a 682ZX.

 

David 


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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 14 22:36:19 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:36:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] PB ON 582
In-Reply-To: <49C89260-A309-421D-89A5-A775B6722B5A@orange.fr>
References: <49C89260-A309-421D-89A5-A775B6722B5A@orange.fr>
Message-ID: <1342298179.11797.YahooMailNeo@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



> what s wrong

Any of about half a zillion things  :-).


If you have a signal tracer, start with the output jack, then work your way 

back along the signal path until you get to the problem. You should have 
an answer in 20 minutes.

If you don't have a signal tracer, then maybe you can fashion one from a 

small portable amplifier. Or enlist help from someone that does.


Good luck,

-- Ron





>________________________________
> From: Jean-Jerome PREJEAN <jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr>
>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:29 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] PB ON 582
> 
>HI guys!
>problems on582
>NO sound  needles at -40
>power controllers ready
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From davidt124 at internode.on.net  Sun Jul 15 09:03:41 2012
From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 17:03:41 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: orange caps and voltages
In-Reply-To: <8FB73C9C-0453-46A4-9F80-3E00B1D05595@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CC28A7B4.AAC3%davidt124@internode.on.net>

Thanks for the clue Bala. I replaced IC405 and IC409 (both 4558) but
unfortunately the fuses still blow.
I am happy to send it to a tech who can deliver a good result in a
reasonable timeframe.

David 

From:  <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
Date:  Sunday, 15 July 2012 8:32 AM
To:  David Thompson <davidt124 at internode.on.net>
Subject:  Re:  orange caps and voltages

> The op amps driving either motor is shorted. It's not a difficult board to
> check. I always sensed some reluctance into trusting us to fix your equipment.
> How can then we work with confidence on your equipment?
> 
> 
> Such is life. 
> 
> Bala 
> 
> Sent from Bala's iPad
> 
> On 13/07/2012, at 6:12 PM, David Thompson <davidt124 at internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
>> A little controversy seems to stimulate responses more than being polite or
>> dull. My recent problem fizzed out on and off line. Probably in the too hard
>> basket.
>> I turned to the 'experts' but an Aussie tech (in NSW) turned nasty on me (not
>> recommended) and overseas ones don't reply. Such is life!
>> I will risk asking for something silly and you can regard me as half dim ­
>> I would love some advice on finding what on the logic board is causing the 1A
>> fuses to blow in a 682ZX.
>> 
>> David 
>> 
>> From:  Steve Ember <emberphoto at hotmail.com>
>> Reply-To:  Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date:  Friday, 13 July 2012 7:06 AM
>> To:  Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Subject:  RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
>> 
>>> Call me old fashioned, but I agree with Willy regarding "tone.".
>>> 
>>> Civility is just in too short supply in the world around us - and it seems
>>> especially so in web discourse.
>>> 
>>> Lucid is also correct about offering advise when one is ill suited to do so.
>>> 
>>> We have a common interest: We love our Naks for their refined sound. It's
>>> good to keep a "refined" tone to our discourse. Remember: Politeness is next
>>> to Nakiness.
>>> 
>>> Cheers and enjoy the music!
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:11:34 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
>>> From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
>>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>>> 
>>> Point taken.  It was more the tone of the response I found jarring.  How
>>> about "I think you will find that there are no orange drop caps in the power
>>> supply" or something a bit smoother than "are you kidding me".
>>> 
>>> Just my two cents.
>>> 
>>> Willy
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Lucidsounds <lucidsound at ic24.net> wrote:
>>>> Sorry, but Scott has a point.  Asking questions at any level is what this
>>>> group should be about.  Offering advice when you know nothing is just about
>>>> the worst thing you can do here.
>>>>  
>>>> It doesn't take 5 minutes to Google 'Nak Orange Cap disease' to identify
>>>> exactly what and where these capacitors are and what the effects of them
>>>> failing is.  Suggesting that they are only found in the power supply is
>>>> like saying the meters on a Dragon use small red bulbs and not LED's.
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>  
>>>>> From:  Willy Hermann <mailto:willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>>>>>  
>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
>>>>>  
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:34  PM
>>>>>  
>>>>> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk]   orange caps and voltages
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott -- please don't jump on people like that.  This  forum is for all
>>>>> levels of experience.  A kind work and correction will  go a lot further
>>>>> than berating someone and will keep people from being too gun  shy to ask
>>>>> a question!! 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> Willy
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 15 19:01:44 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:01:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] SONY XR Cassettes TypeIV
Message-ID: <1342371704.17013.YahooMailNeo@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

I recently purchased from ebay a bulk load of SONY XR60 Type IV( Metal Bias) cassettes fro almost a pittance of $1 or so per tape.
I call it a pittance because of the price metal cassettes have been going recently on ebay, making the NOS variety a collector's dream( in terms of escalating value). 

The quality of this tape is very good and every deck of mine has given a fantastic sound when recorded on with these tapes. 
If interested, the seller's name is total_media but the price now is $166.50 for a 90 pack with $12 shipping to USA.( doubled since I bought it)

Please note that these cassettes do not have screwed on covers but have molded covers.

Finally, I have nothing to do with this seller or the items he sells and have no interest in this auction whatsoever. I just thought if our enthusiasts want to buy a relative bargain, there is a source for metal cassettes to feed our Nakamichis'.

Regards,

Ram.
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Jul 16 00:05:48 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 00:05:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY XR Cassettes TypeIV
In-Reply-To: <1342371704.17013.YahooMailNeo@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1342371704.17013.YahooMailNeo@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5691964db850259c18d5813b83bf0039.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Hi Ram,

I must agree with you, I bought these also back in the day in a shop when
metal tapes became rarer and these where still available and very
affordable.
Good tapes!

Wouter

> Hi all,
>
> I recently purchased from ebay a bulk load of SONY XR60 Type IV( Metal
> Bias) cassettes fro almost a pittance of $1 or so per tape.
> I call it a pittance because of the price metal cassettes have been going
> recently on ebay, making the NOS variety a collector's dream( in terms of
> escalating value). 
>
> The quality of this tape is very good and every deck of mine has given a
> fantastic sound when recorded on with these tapes. 
> If interested, the seller's name is total_media but the price now is
> $166.50 for a 90 pack with $12 shipping to USA.( doubled since I bought
> it)
>
> Please note that these cassettes do not have screwed on covers but have
> molded covers.
>
> Finally, I have nothing to do with this seller or the items he sells and
> have no interest in this auction whatsoever. I just thought if our
> enthusiasts want to buy a relative bargain, there is a source for metal
> cassettes to feed our Nakamichis'.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ram



From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Mon Jul 16 00:43:08 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ronald Witt)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:43:08 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY XR Cassettes TypeIV
In-Reply-To: <5691964db850259c18d5813b83bf0039.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <1342371704.17013.YahooMailNeo@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<5691964db850259c18d5813b83bf0039.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <24A6FE83-9B68-464B-95BA-59C3718ABD50@rochester.rr.com>

I bought a few cases of these last year and have really enjoyed their sound. I wish they were 90 minute but still, can't go wrong at 80 cents apiece. 

Ron

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 15, 2012, at 6:05 PM, "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Hi Ram,
> 
> I must agree with you, I bought these also back in the day in a shop when
> metal tapes became rarer and these where still available and very
> affordable.
> Good tapes!
> 
> Wouter
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I recently purchased from ebay a bulk load of SONY XR60 Type IV( Metal
>> Bias) cassettes fro almost a pittance of $1 or so per tape.
>> I call it a pittance because of the price metal cassettes have been going
>> recently on ebay, making the NOS variety a collector's dream( in terms of
>> escalating value). 
>> 
>> The quality of this tape is very good and every deck of mine has given a
>> fantastic sound when recorded on with these tapes. 
>> If interested, the seller's name is total_media but the price now is
>> $166.50 for a 90 pack with $12 shipping to USA.( doubled since I bought
>> it)
>> 
>> Please note that these cassettes do not have screwed on covers but have
>> molded covers.
>> 
>> Finally, I have nothing to do with this seller or the items he sells and
>> have no interest in this auction whatsoever. I just thought if our
>> enthusiasts want to buy a relative bargain, there is a source for metal
>> cassettes to feed our Nakamichis'.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Ram
> 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Mon Jul 16 12:34:10 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:34:10 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
In-Reply-To: <CC260DB5.AA2C%davidt124@internode.on.net>
References: <SNT123-W40900217B92C654DFEDBE0DED00@phx.gbl>
	<CC260DB5.AA2C%davidt124@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689A40D2@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>

To all,
You are right, I should have been more civil in my tone.
Scott

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of David Thompson
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:13 AM
To: Naktalk
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages

A little controversy seems to stimulate responses more than being polite or dull. My recent problem fizzed out on and off line. Probably in the too hard basket.
I turned to the 'experts' but an Aussie tech (in NSW) turned nasty on me (not recommended) and overseas ones don't reply. Such is life!
I will risk asking for something silly and you can regard me as half dim -
I would love some advice on finding what on the logic board is causing the 1A fuses to blow in a 682ZX.

David

From: Steve Ember <emberphoto at hotmail.com<mailto:emberphoto at hotmail.com>>
Reply-To: Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>>
Date: Friday, 13 July 2012 7:06 AM
To: Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>>
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages

Call me old fashioned, but I agree with Willy regarding "tone.".

Civility is just in too short supply in the world around us - and it seems especially so in web discourse.

Lucid is also correct about offering advise when one is ill suited to do so.

We have a common interest: We love our Naks for their refined sound. It's good to keep a "refined" tone to our discourse. Remember: Politeness is next to Nakiness.

Cheers and enjoy the music!

Steve


Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:11:34 -0700
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com<mailto:willy at willyhermannservices.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>

Point taken.  It was more the tone of the response I found jarring.  How about "I think you will find that there are no orange drop caps in the power supply" or something a bit smoother than "are you kidding me".

Just my two cents.

Willy
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Lucidsounds <lucidsound at ic24.net<mailto:lucidsound at ic24.net>> wrote:
Sorry, but Scott has a point.  Asking questions at any level is what this group should be about.  Offering advice when you know nothing is just about the worst thing you can do here.

It doesn't take 5 minutes to Google 'Nak Orange Cap disease' to identify exactly what and where these capacitors are and what the effects of them failing is.  Suggesting that they are only found in the power supply is like saying the meters on a Dragon use small red bulbs and not LED's.


----- Original Message -----
From: Willy Hermann<mailto:willy at willyhermannservices.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages

Scott -- please don't jump on people like that.  This forum is for all levels of experience.  A kind work and correction will go a lot further than berating someone and will keep people from being too gun shy to ask a question!!

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From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Mon Jul 16 12:40:41 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:40:41 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
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Sorry Willy you are right , I should have been more civil.
Scott

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:35 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages


On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com<mailto:willy at willyhermannservices.com>> wrote:
Scott -- please don't jump on people like that.  This forum is for all levels of experience.  A kind word and correction will go a lot further than berating someone and will keep people from being too gun shy to ask a question!!

Willy

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com<mailto:scott.h.garner at lmco.com>> wrote:
Orange caps used in the power supply? Are you kidding me. I really wish people that know nothing about repairing naks would stop adding there 2 cents. Check to see if the cap is used in an oscillator circuit, if I had to guess it is probable in the erase oscillator circuit. A 63 volt cap would be fine.

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com<mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com<mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com>] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:39 PM
To: glasswolf at glasswolf.net<mailto:glasswolf at glasswolf.net>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages

Really?

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 11/07/2012, a las 23:00, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net<mailto:sem121470 at windstream.net>> escribió:
if it's a power supply capacitor, it could very easily reach 100, 120, or 240 volts, depending on your location.  "Orange drops" are power supply caps.  I haven't looked to see which one you're replacing, though.  I didn't download the service manual to see what it is.

On 7/11/2012 4:37 PM, Norman Naktalk van Wijnen wrote:
Hi Willy,

A question:

I am busy replacing all orange caps in a ZX9 and find a 22000pf  orange cap on C305. This cap is 100 Volt. I have however only a 63 volt 1% replacement.
I wonder why Nakamichi decided to use 100 Volt orange caps. There was never reached such a voltage inside the deck.
Is it possible to replace the 100 Volt orange caps with 63 volt caps? Or is this a bad idea?

I hope you have a thought about this.

Regards Norman



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From josephjean at verizon.net  Mon Jul 16 14:19:04 2012
From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:19:04 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY XR Cassettes TypeIV
In-Reply-To: <24A6FE83-9B68-464B-95BA-59C3718ABD50@rochester.rr.com>
References: <1342371704.17013.YahooMailNeo@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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I've been holding off buying these because I thought they were 
inferior being a molded case.

I exclusively use TDK C90 but have about 35 MA-XG90 still sealed.  I 
took some good advice from someone here no Naktalk about 5 years ago 
when they were going for $8 a piece.


At 06:43 PM 7/15/2012, you wrote:
>I bought a few cases of these last year and have really enjoyed 
>their sound. I wish they were 90 minute but still, can't go wrong at 
>80 cents apiece.
>
>Ron
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Jul 15, 2012, at 6:05 PM, "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> > Hi Ram,
> >
> > I must agree with you, I bought these also back in the day in a shop when
> > metal tapes became rarer and these where still available and very
> > affordable.
> > Good tapes!
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I recently purchased from ebay a bulk load of SONY XR60 Type IV( Metal
> >> Bias) cassettes fro almost a pittance of $1 or so per tape.
> >> I call it a pittance because of the price metal cassettes have been going
> >> recently on ebay, making the NOS variety a collector's dream( in terms of
> >> escalating value).
> >>
> >> The quality of this tape is very good and every deck of mine has given a
> >> fantastic sound when recorded on with these tapes.
> >> If interested, the seller's name is total_media but the price now is
> >> $166.50 for a 90 pack with $12 shipping to USA.( doubled since I bought
> >> it)
> >>
> >> Please note that these cassettes do not have screwed on covers but have
> >> molded covers.
> >>
> >> Finally, I have nothing to do with this seller or the items he sells and
> >> have no interest in this auction whatsoever. I just thought if our
> >> enthusiasts want to buy a relative bargain, there is a source for metal
> >> cassettes to feed our Nakamichis'.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Ram
> >
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From wnn523484 at telfort.nl  Mon Jul 16 14:37:29 2012
From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:37:29 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Digest,:  PB ON 582
In-Reply-To: <201207151026.q6FA7xaQ025057@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <4FFEA35D000012C6@mta-nl-1.mail.tiscali.sys>

Hello Jean-Jerome,

As said in a earlier reply; many things might be wrong.

BUT; If the light in the Stop-Button does not light up if the transport is
put to stop, this will be the first (probably only) fault for this behaviour.
This will put the deck into mute all the time.

Succes,
Henk Schenk
www.nakamichi-schenk.nl
 
>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 12:29:31 +0200
>From: Jean-Jerome PREJEAN <jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr>
>Subject: [naktalk] PB ON 582
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Message-ID: <49C89260-A309-421D-89A5-A775B6722B5A at orange.fr>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>  HI guys!
>problems on582
>NO sound  needles at -40
>power controllers ready
>tape/ source no mistake
>calibration inactivated
>what s wrong 
>



       




From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Mon Jul 16 15:47:21 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ronald Witt)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:47:21 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY XR Cassettes TypeIV
In-Reply-To: <0M7900K7U67PDD40@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <1342371704.17013.YahooMailNeo@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <C84A478B-602E-4DD9-8CD6-93D2153D64C8@rochester.rr.com>

The molded case has not been an issue for me. Really, these are very good tapes the housing was designed to run type IV tape well. You would be fine.  Try a few...

Ron

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2012, at 8:19 AM, goodguy <josephjean at verizon.net> wrote:

> I've been holding off buying these because I thought they were inferior being a molded case.
> 
> I exclusively use TDK C90 but have about 35 MA-XG90 still sealed.  I took some good advice from someone here no Naktalk about 5 years ago when they were going for $8 a piece.
> 
> 
> At 06:43 PM 7/15/2012, you wrote:
>> I bought a few cases of these last year and have really enjoyed their sound. I wish they were 90 minute but still, can't go wrong at 80 cents apiece.
>> 
>> Ron
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 15, 2012, at 6:05 PM, "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> 
>> > Hi Ram,
>> >
>> > I must agree with you, I bought these also back in the day in a shop when
>> > metal tapes became rarer and these where still available and very
>> > affordable.
>> > Good tapes!
>> >
>> > Wouter
>> >
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> I recently purchased from ebay a bulk load of SONY XR60 Type IV( Metal
>> >> Bias) cassettes fro almost a pittance of $1 or so per tape.
>> >> I call it a pittance because of the price metal cassettes have been going
>> >> recently on ebay, making the NOS variety a collector's dream( in terms of
>> >> escalating value).
>> >>
>> >> The quality of this tape is very good and every deck of mine has given a
>> >> fantastic sound when recorded on with these tapes.
>> >> If interested, the seller's name is total_media but the price now is
>> >> $166.50 for a 90 pack with $12 shipping to USA.( doubled since I bought
>> >> it)
>> >>
>> >> Please note that these cassettes do not have screwed on covers but have
>> >> molded covers.
>> >>
>> >> Finally, I have nothing to do with this seller or the items he sells and
>> >> have no interest in this auction whatsoever. I just thought if our
>> >> enthusiasts want to buy a relative bargain, there is a source for metal
>> >> cassettes to feed our Nakamichis'.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Ram
>> >
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> Roland
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From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Mon Jul 16 16:22:44 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ronald Witt)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:22:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted
Message-ID: <0B61CB9C-3CF1-4DFC-BDA7-E535570764DD@rochester.rr.com>

Hi all,
I just got this machine last week and have been testing it so far I've made two tapes type II. Seems ok, but will need some service as it's what 30 years old now. I really would like that....

Anyway, I have noticed the pressure pad lifter is slightly tilted. If I look straight into the transport at the head the lifter is slightly higher on the right side than the left. Perhaps ~1mm higher. There are no signs on the head it's holding tabs ever having been moved. It is mounted firmly from what I can tell. I am scared to even touch it as you can well imagine.

 I am able to calibrate azimuth just fine although the calibration shows a slightly lower right channel output when the tape is played on other decks. On the ZX-7 the channels are equal. I just thought I would mention that if it has something to do with the lifter. 
Any help is of course appreciated!
Thank you-

Ron

Sent from my iPhone


From luis at peromarta.org  Mon Jul 16 17:12:16 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:12:16 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted
In-Reply-To: <0B61CB9C-3CF1-4DFC-BDA7-E535570764DD@rochester.rr.com>
References: <0B61CB9C-3CF1-4DFC-BDA7-E535570764DD@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <25E99C86-E5B5-4F4D-8A1F-B2D7711C0791@peromarta.org>

You need full mech calibration and electronic adjust. The pad lifter can be easily removed and reinserted. Should bring it to straight level 

Regards. 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 16/07/2012, a las 15:22, Ronald Witt <rwitt at rochester.rr.com> escribió:

> Hi all,
> I just got this machine last week and have been testing it so far I've made two tapes type II. Seems ok, but will need some service as it's what 30 years old now. I really would like that....
> 
> Anyway, I have noticed the pressure pad lifter is slightly tilted. If I look straight into the transport at the head the lifter is slightly higher on the right side than the left. Perhaps ~1mm higher. There are no signs on the head it's holding tabs ever having been moved. It is mounted firmly from what I can tell. I am scared to even touch it as you can well imagine.
> 
> I am able to calibrate azimuth just fine although the calibration shows a slightly lower right channel output when the tape is played on other decks. On the ZX-7 the channels are equal. I just thought I would mention that if it has something to do with the lifter. 
> Any help is of course appreciated!
> Thank you-
> 
> Ron
> 
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Mon Jul 16 17:35:16 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:35:16 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted
In-Reply-To: <0B61CB9C-3CF1-4DFC-BDA7-E535570764DD@rochester.rr.com>
References: <0B61CB9C-3CF1-4DFC-BDA7-E535570764DD@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAM9V8MfoLCP1cXYBHkqS_=Y=RkTiE=hSLWopA0YHo_W53c+1cg@mail.gmail.com>

Ron -

Don't be scared to touch it.  The pressure pad lifter simply pulls straight
up and off the head.  However, a slight tilt is pretty normal and nothing
to worry about at all.  If I were you I wouldn't bother it.

Willy

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Ronald Witt <rwitt at rochester.rr.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I just got this machine last week and have been testing it so far I've
> made two tapes type II. Seems ok, but will need some service as it's what
> 30 years old now. I really would like that....
>
> Anyway, I have noticed the pressure pad lifter is slightly tilted. If I
> look straight into the transport at the head the lifter is slightly higher
> on the right side than the left. Perhaps ~1mm higher. There are no signs on
> the head it's holding tabs ever having been moved. It is mounted firmly
> from what I can tell. I am scared to even touch it as you can well imagine.
>
>  I am able to calibrate azimuth just fine although the calibration shows a
> slightly lower right channel output when the tape is played on other decks.
> On the ZX-7 the channels are equal. I just thought I would mention that if
> it has something to do with the lifter.
> Any help is of course appreciated!
> Thank you-
>
> Ron
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Mon Jul 16 17:36:36 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:36:36 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted
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Message-ID: <000f01cd6368$c91dbb90$5b5932b0$@nl>

Hi Ron,

The pad lifter is a removable part and with a some care it is possible to
mount it the right way.
On the other hand, If you have no problems with the pressure pad lifter, why
should you repair ?

Regards Norman

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
Ronald Witt
Verzonden: maandag 16 juli 2012 16:23
Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Onderwerp: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted

Hi all,
I just got this machine last week and have been testing it so far I've made
two tapes type II. Seems ok, but will need some service as it's what 30
years old now. I really would like that....

Anyway, I have noticed the pressure pad lifter is slightly tilted. If I look
straight into the transport at the head the lifter is slightly higher on the
right side than the left. Perhaps ~1mm higher. There are no signs on the
head it's holding tabs ever having been moved. It is mounted firmly from
what I can tell. I am scared to even touch it as you can well imagine.

 I am able to calibrate azimuth just fine although the calibration shows a
slightly lower right channel output when the tape is played on other decks.
On the ZX-7 the channels are equal. I just thought I would mention that if
it has something to do with the lifter. 
Any help is of course appreciated!
Thank you-

Ron

Sent from my iPhone
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Jul 16 18:29:54 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:29:54 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 repair
In-Reply-To: <8c31c6d312d294dd98c58a1c249692ed.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <8c31c6d312d294dd98c58a1c249692ed.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <da68819745bba8faaf8985bd67990dfe.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Hi All,

Reporting back on the ZX-9. I ordered about 30 1.2nf 100v capacitors and
with Cheryl's method (THANK YOU!) I managed to select a capacitor that has
almost the exact value, so less then 1%. I swapped the orange cap for this
one and the deck is functioning again.. now lets see if it stays that way.
Nice to note is that the original orange cap had 5.6% tolerance and the
service manual states 2%.

Wouter

>
> My first Nak project will be one of the 2 broken and shelved ZX-9's. I
> posted back in 2009 about the problem they have (DD motor stops running)
> and got good replies, one very specific from Tom Brucker (where is he?!).
> So I located C516 and C524 on the DD board yesterday and ordered the
> parts, only for C516 I could only find a 5% cap where the manual says 2%
> which is not a problem I suppose..
>
> I'll keep you all posted how this goes.
>



From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Mon Jul 16 17:55:07 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ronald Witt)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:55:07 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted
In-Reply-To: <25E99C86-E5B5-4F4D-8A1F-B2D7711C0791@peromarta.org>
References: <0B61CB9C-3CF1-4DFC-BDA7-E535570764DD@rochester.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <A99D7AAF-59EF-4FEB-8943-7E2ABE222107@rochester.rr.com>

I want to have a full service for this machine -money no object. 

How is the lifter removed? It's really on there I'm afraid of hurting the PB head alignment!!!!

Ron

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Luis Peromarta <luis at peromarta.org> wrote:

> You need full mech calibration and electronic adjust. The pad lifter can be easily removed and reinserted. Should bring it to straight level 
> 
> Regards. 
> 
> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.
> 
> El 16/07/2012, a las 15:22, Ronald Witt <rwitt at rochester.rr.com> escribió:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I just got this machine last week and have been testing it so far I've made two tapes type II. Seems ok, but will need some service as it's what 30 years old now. I really would like that....
>> 
>> Anyway, I have noticed the pressure pad lifter is slightly tilted. If I look straight into the transport at the head the lifter is slightly higher on the right side than the left. Perhaps ~1mm higher. There are no signs on the head it's holding tabs ever having been moved. It is mounted firmly from what I can tell. I am scared to even touch it as you can well imagine.
>> 
>> I am able to calibrate azimuth just fine although the calibration shows a slightly lower right channel output when the tape is played on other decks. On the ZX-7 the channels are equal. I just thought I would mention that if it has something to do with the lifter. 
>> Any help is of course appreciated!
>> Thank you-
>> 
>> Ron
>> 
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From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Mon Jul 16 18:35:36 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ronald Witt)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:35:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8MfoLCP1cXYBHkqS_=Y=RkTiE=hSLWopA0YHo_W53c+1cg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0B61CB9C-3CF1-4DFC-BDA7-E535570764DD@rochester.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <5930D8D5-28A3-4771-A0AF-3FBCBA1E3D1B@rochester.rr.com>

Willy,
Thank you for your help. It just looks odd is all and I  thought this might be causing the signal imbalance I see on other decks playing the ZX-7 tapes.  Nice balance on the ZX-7 and lower right channel by one or more segments on all other decks. 

I love this deck, I know it works but I would really like it to be serviced by you. I can hear some "wow" and there is distortion I can hear even though it's sounding great those caps are ancient now.  The alignment needs to be done and by who else but the best. 

Pad lifter is so odd.  

Ron

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:

> Ron -
> 
> Don't be scared to touch it.  The pressure pad lifter simply pulls straight up and off the head.  However, a slight tilt is pretty normal and nothing to worry about at all.  If I were you I wouldn't bother it.
> 
> Willy
> 
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Ronald Witt <rwitt at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I just got this machine last week and have been testing it so far I've made two tapes type II. Seems ok, but will need some service as it's what 30 years old now. I really would like that....
> 
> Anyway, I have noticed the pressure pad lifter is slightly tilted. If I look straight into the transport at the head the lifter is slightly higher on the right side than the left. Perhaps ~1mm higher. There are no signs on the head it's holding tabs ever having been moved. It is mounted firmly from what I can tell. I am scared to even touch it as you can well imagine.
> 
>  I am able to calibrate azimuth just fine although the calibration shows a slightly lower right channel output when the tape is played on other decks. On the ZX-7 the channels are equal. I just thought I would mention that if it has something to do with the lifter.
> Any help is of course appreciated!
> Thank you-
> 
> Ron
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Mon Jul 16 19:06:03 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ronald Witt)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 13:06:03 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted
In-Reply-To: <000f01cd6368$c91dbb90$5b5932b0$@nl>
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I did not know if it was a problem.  On my other 3 head Naks it is installed beautifully, that's why I thought to ask. You never know you know!

Ron

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2012, at 11:36 AM, "Norman van Wijnen" <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl> wrote:

> Hi Ron,
> 
> The pad lifter is a removable part and with a some care it is possible to
> mount it the right way.
> On the other hand, If you have no problems with the pressure pad lifter, why
> should you repair ?
> 
> Regards Norman
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
> Ronald Witt
> Verzonden: maandag 16 juli 2012 16:23
> Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Onderwerp: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted
> 
> Hi all,
> I just got this machine last week and have been testing it so far I've made
> two tapes type II. Seems ok, but will need some service as it's what 30
> years old now. I really would like that....
> 
> Anyway, I have noticed the pressure pad lifter is slightly tilted. If I look
> straight into the transport at the head the lifter is slightly higher on the
> right side than the left. Perhaps ~1mm higher. There are no signs on the
> head it's holding tabs ever having been moved. It is mounted firmly from
> what I can tell. I am scared to even touch it as you can well imagine.
> 
> I am able to calibrate azimuth just fine although the calibration shows a
> slightly lower right channel output when the tape is played on other decks.
> On the ZX-7 the channels are equal. I just thought I would mention that if
> it has something to do with the lifter. 
> Any help is of course appreciated!
> Thank you-
> 
> Ron
> 
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 16 21:15:02 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:15:02 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted
In-Reply-To: <A99D7AAF-59EF-4FEB-8943-7E2ABE222107@rochester.rr.com>
References: <0B61CB9C-3CF1-4DFC-BDA7-E535570764DD@rochester.rr.com><25E99C86-E5B5-4F4D-8A1F-B2D7711C0791@peromarta.org>
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If you can't grasp it with your fingers they try using something like the
little wood sticks that some women use on their cuticles. Or you could even
try using a Q-tip and grasp the Q-tip right next to the end you use to push
off the lifter. Don't try to push/pull it off from the top surface of the
head, instead work it gently back and forth from the front side. The first
time you try to take it off it will seem like it is really on their tight --
but once you've done it you will realize it is much easier than you
initially thought. Once I figured out how to get it off I was able to do it
with my fingers fairly easily. If it seems really sticky I use a fingernail
under the edge.

Aloha,
Cheryl
 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Ronald Witt
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 5:55 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted

I want to have a full service for this machine -money no object. 

How is the lifter removed? It's really on there I'm afraid of hurting the PB
head alignment!!!!

Ron

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Luis Peromarta <luis at peromarta.org> wrote:

> You need full mech calibration and electronic adjust. The pad lifter 
> can be easily removed and reinserted. Should bring it to straight 
> level
> 
> Regards. 
> 
> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.
> 
> El 16/07/2012, a las 15:22, Ronald Witt <rwitt at rochester.rr.com> escribió:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I just got this machine last week and have been testing it so far I've
made two tapes type II. Seems ok, but will need some service as it's what 30
years old now. I really would like that....
>> 
>> Anyway, I have noticed the pressure pad lifter is slightly tilted. If I
look straight into the transport at the head the lifter is slightly higher
on the right side than the left. Perhaps ~1mm higher. There are no signs on
the head it's holding tabs ever having been moved. It is mounted firmly from
what I can tell. I am scared to even touch it as you can well imagine.
>> 
>> I am able to calibrate azimuth just fine although the calibration shows a
slightly lower right channel output when the tape is played on other decks.
On the ZX-7 the channels are equal. I just thought I would mention that if
it has something to do with the lifter. 
>> Any help is of course appreciated!
>> Thank you-
>> 
>> Ron
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 16 21:16:27 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:16:27 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 repair
In-Reply-To: <da68819745bba8faaf8985bd67990dfe.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <8c31c6d312d294dd98c58a1c249692ed.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
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Cool! Fortunately the caps are pretty inexpensive so buying a few extra to
get the exact one you want isn't such a big deal.

Aloha,
Cheryl 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Wouter Heijke
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 6:30 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 repair

Hi All,

Reporting back on the ZX-9. I ordered about 30 1.2nf 100v capacitors and
with Cheryl's method (THANK YOU!) I managed to select a capacitor that has
almost the exact value, so less then 1%. I swapped the orange cap for this
one and the deck is functioning again.. now lets see if it stays that way.
Nice to note is that the original orange cap had 5.6% tolerance and the
service manual states 2%.

Wouter

>
> My first Nak project will be one of the 2 broken and shelved ZX-9's. I 
> posted back in 2009 about the problem they have (DD motor stops 
> running) and got good replies, one very specific from Tom Brucker (where
is he?!).
> So I located C516 and C524 on the DD board yesterday and ordered the 
> parts, only for C516 I could only find a 5% cap where the manual says 
> 2% which is not a problem I suppose..
>
> I'll keep you all posted how this goes.
>

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Jul 16 21:54:35 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:54:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] dead ZX-9 and problematic ZX-9
Message-ID: <ee9c0ebe17b42c595e56aa37842cdc94.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Hi All,

You win one and you lose one..

ZX-9 #1 is still fine, although it seems to have a tape-traveling
problem.. losing high tones and volume after a few seconds playing,
sometimes little longer, pressing pause/play or stop/play brings it back..

My original ZX-9 (#2) had the same problem as the deck I just fixed (#1)..
dead capstans.. only this deck they were dead from the start. While
looking at the DD board I noticed the orange cap was replaced and also the
2nd cap was replaced, I suppose by Tom van der Hoff years ago.. anyway I
decided to swap them for new fresh ones but no luck, it is still a dead
ZX-9!
Next I measured CN-20, i get +12 and -12v and for what I see from this
point on something must be wrong, at least no other power sources etc.
So any suggestions?

Wouter






From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Mon Jul 16 21:54:41 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:54:41 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted
In-Reply-To: <5930D8D5-28A3-4771-A0AF-3FBCBA1E3D1B@rochester.rr.com>
References: <0B61CB9C-3CF1-4DFC-BDA7-E535570764DD@rochester.rr.com>
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I'd be happy to take care of it for you.  Contact me off NakTalk please.

Willy

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Ronald Witt <rwitt at rochester.rr.com> wrote:

> Willy,
> Thank you for your help. It just looks odd is all and I  thought this
> might be causing the signal imbalance I see on other decks playing the ZX-7
> tapes.  Nice balance on the ZX-7 and lower right channel by one or more
> segments on all other decks.
>
> I love this deck, I know it works but I would really like it to be
> serviced by you. I can hear some "wow" and there is distortion I can hear
> even though it's sounding great those caps are ancient now.  The alignment
> needs to be done and by who else but the best.
>
> Pad lifter is so odd.
>
>
> Ron
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 16, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Willy Hermann <
> willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:
>
> Ron -
>
> Don't be scared to touch it.  The pressure pad lifter simply pulls
> straight up and off the head.  However, a slight tilt is pretty normal and
> nothing to worry about at all.  If I were you I wouldn't bother it.
>
> Willy
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Ronald Witt < <rwitt at rochester.rr.com>
> rwitt at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I just got this machine last week and have been testing it so far I've
>> made two tapes type II. Seems ok, but will need some service as it's what
>> 30 years old now. I really would like that....
>>
>> Anyway, I have noticed the pressure pad lifter is slightly tilted. If I
>> look straight into the transport at the head the lifter is slightly higher
>> on the right side than the left. Perhaps ~1mm higher. There are no signs on
>> the head it's holding tabs ever having been moved. It is mounted firmly
>> from what I can tell. I am scared to even touch it as you can well imagine.
>>
>>  I am able to calibrate azimuth just fine although the calibration shows
>> a slightly lower right channel output when the tape is played on other
>> decks. On the ZX-7 the channels are equal. I just thought I would mention
>> that if it has something to do with the lifter.
>> Any help is of course appreciated!
>> Thank you-
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From sem121470 at windstream.net  Tue Jul 17 00:09:41 2012
From: sem121470 at windstream.net (GlassWolf)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:09:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted
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On 7/16/2012 3:15 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote:
> If you can't grasp it with your fingers they try using something like the
> little wood sticks that some women use on their cuticles.

Hemostats.  Never leave home without 'em!  Every workbench should have a 
few pair near by.

You may also know them as "forceps."  They come in a variety of sizes, 
lengths, and shapes.




From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Tue Jul 17 02:26:54 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ronald Witt)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:26:54 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted
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I do have some hemostats here but I'm not liking this much. I think I'll let the upcoming service on this deck work through it. Man I have to say this is one beautiful machine.  

Ron

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2012, at 6:09 PM, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net> wrote:

> On 7/16/2012 3:15 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote:
>> If you can't grasp it with your fingers they try using something like the
>> little wood sticks that some women use on their cuticles.
> 
> Hemostats.  Never leave home without 'em!  Every workbench should have a few pair near by.
> 
> You may also know them as "forceps."  They come in a variety of sizes, lengths, and shapes.
> 
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From r1seals at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 16:08:34 2012
From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:08:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted
In-Reply-To: <50049125.30009@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <1342534114.86240.YahooMailClassic@web113306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

yes that's all fine and  good I to use them and long tweezers but I first use a toothpick to pry or raise the pad lifter then I use the tweezers to get a hold of it and take it off.
 Just be careful to not scratch the head on your deck.

Russ

--- On Mon, 7/16/12, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net> wrote:

From: GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 5:09 PM

On 7/16/2012 3:15 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote:
> If you can't grasp it with your fingers they try using something like the
> little wood sticks that some women use on their cuticles.

Hemostats.  Never leave home without 'em!  Every workbench should have a few pair near by.

You may also know them as "forceps."  They come in a variety of sizes, lengths, and shapes.


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From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Tue Jul 17 17:31:26 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ronald Witt)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:31:26 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted
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Hi Russ,
The part is crimped quite tightly to the head. There is no sign of it ever having been moved. I'm going to wait for the service on the unit as it's just too risky to mess with.  
Thank you for the suggestions though it is appreciated. I'm just chicken right now, not feeling lucky at all...

Ron

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 17, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Russ Seals <r1seals at yahoo.com> wrote:

> yes that's all fine and  good I to use them and long tweezers but I first use a toothpick to pry or raise the pad lifter then I use the tweezers to get a hold of it and take it off.
>  Just be careful to not scratch the head on your deck.
> 
> Russ
> 
> --- On Mon, 7/16/12, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> From: GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 5:09 PM
> 
> On 7/16/2012 3:15 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote:
> > If you can't grasp it with your fingers they try using something like the
> > little wood sticks that some women use on their cuticles.
> 
> Hemostats.  Never leave home without 'em!  Every workbench should have a few pair near by.
> 
> You may also know them as "forceps."  They come in a variety of sizes, lengths, and shapes.
> 
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 19:12:05 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:12:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] dead ZX-9 and problematic ZX-9
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It's a tricky servo circuit... Just to be sure, I would check voltages right 

at IC502 (+12V at pin 4 and -12V at pin 4) and same at IC504. Also, 

+12V at pin 7 and approximately 6V at pin 9 of IC503. 


Beyond this point you'll need a 'scope. One approach is to press PLAY, 

twirl the motor by hand and try to follow the servo feedback path (with 

the 'scope). From past experience, I can tell you that this can take time 

(unless you are lucky    :-)    ). 

Good luck,

-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:54 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] dead ZX-9 and problematic ZX-9
> 
>Hi All,
>
>You win one and you lose one..
>
>ZX-9 #1 is still fine, although it seems to have a tape-traveling
>problem.. losing high tones and volume after a few seconds playing,
>sometimes little longer, pressing pause/play or stop/play brings it back..
>
>My original ZX-9 (#2) had the same problem as the deck I just fixed (#1)..
>dead capstans.. only this deck they were dead from the start. While
>looking at the DD board I noticed the orange cap was replaced and also the
>2nd cap was replaced, I suppose by Tom van der Hoff years ago.. anyway I
>decided to swap them for new fresh ones but no luck, it is still a dead
>ZX-9!
>Next I measured CN-20, i get +12 and -12v and for what I see from this
>point on something must be wrong, at least no other power sources etc.
>So any suggestions?
>
>Wouter
>
>
>
>
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 17 20:11:02 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 08:11:02 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted
In-Reply-To: <1342534114.86240.YahooMailClassic@web113306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Potential scratches was the reason I didn't mention hemostats -- especially
for someone who has never removed a pad lifter before.
But I have several pair of locking hemostats and find they come in quite
handy.
Aloha,
Cheryl

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Russ Seals
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:09 AM
To: glasswolf at glasswolf.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 pressure pad lifter seems tilted


yes that's all fine and  good I to use them and long tweezers but I first
use a toothpick to pry or raise the pad lifter then I use the tweezers to
get a hold of it and take it off.
 Just be careful to not scratch the head on your deck.

Russ

--- On Mon, 7/16/12, GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net> wrote



 
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Jul 18 10:13:53 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:13:53 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] dead ZX-9 and problematic ZX-9
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Thanks Ron!

I will do the measuring, I can also compare to the working deck.. thanks
for the hints. Unfortunately I don't have a scope, so if I can't find
something obvious wrong I'll get it to an expert.

But first I will attempt to fix it myself.

Wouter

>
>
> It's a tricky servo circuit... Just to be sure, I would check voltages
> right
>
> at IC502 (+12V at pin 4 and -12V at pin 4) and same at IC504. Also,
>
> +12V at pin 7 and approximately 6V at pin 9 of IC503.
>
>
> Beyond this point you'll need a 'scope. One approach is to press PLAY,
>
> twirl the motor by hand and try to follow the servo feedback path (with
>
> the 'scope). From past experience, I can tell you that this can take time
>
> (unless you are lucky    :-)    ). 
>
> Good luck,
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:54 PM
>>Subject: [naktalk] dead ZX-9 and problematic ZX-9
>>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>You win one and you lose one..
>>
>>ZX-9 #1 is still fine, although it seems to have a tape-traveling
>>problem.. losing high tones and volume after a few seconds playing,
>>sometimes little longer, pressing pause/play or stop/play brings it
>> back..
>>
>>My original ZX-9 (#2) had the same problem as the deck I just fixed
>> (#1)..
>>dead capstans.. only this deck they were dead from the start. While
>>looking at the DD board I noticed the orange cap was replaced and also
>> the
>>2nd cap was replaced, I suppose by Tom van der Hoff years ago.. anyway I
>>decided to swap them for new fresh ones but no luck, it is still a dead
>>ZX-9!
>>Next I measured CN-20, i get +12 and -12v and for what I see from this
>>point on something must be wrong, at least no other power sources etc.
>>So any suggestions?
>>
>>Wouter
>>




From pbtanner at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 19 19:19:21 2012
From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:19:21 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
Message-ID: <SNT127-W6570E485770B4E4D76DE2DDFD90@phx.gbl>


Hi Willy,

Thanks for the response re the hot transformer. Changed a few filter caps, made no difference. Will try to change some more. In the meantime I've noticed that a transistor and a resistor on the logic control board are also hot.
Q 421 and R453. The Q421 is the Reel Motor Governor. One of them. When I put the deck in Play/Pause mode and the Reel motor stops they cool down right away. When I continue playing and the Reel motor starts running they heat up again. I have a spare for both, but do you think I should change them, or is it normal that they are hot? Or there may be another reason? The transformer itself gets hot only after about 30 minutes of playing. And only if I play a tape. When the deck is just on it's warm but not hot.
I hope I am not loading you up with too many questions. Thanks

Peter
 		 	   		  
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Thu Jul 19 21:34:14 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:34:14 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
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Try pulling the reel motor out, taking it apart, cleaning and relubing the
bearings.  If the motor is sticky the drive circuit will eat much more
current than usual keeping it going.

Willy

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi Willy,
>
> Thanks for the response re the hot transformer. Changed a few filter caps,
> made no difference. Will try to change some more. In the meantime I've
> noticed that a transistor and a resistor on the logic control board are
> also hot.
> Q 421 and R453. The Q421 is the Reel Motor Governor. One of them. When I
> put the deck in Play/Pause mode and the Reel motor stops they cool down
> right away. When I continue playing and the Reel motor starts running they
> heat up again. I have a spare for both, but do you think I should change
> them, or is it normal that they are hot? Or there may be another reason?
> The transformer itself gets hot only after about 30 minutes of playing. And
> only if I play a tape. When the deck is just on it's warm but not hot.
> I hope I am not loading you up with too many questions. Thanks
>
> Peter
>
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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 23:47:02 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:47:02 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Repair of left channel of Nakamichi 620
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The 620 may have had the speaker relay modification added, which would make
the relay contacts one likely cause. If you open the case the speaker relay
is the only one, and it is mounted on a slender board. Examine the wiring
between the amp boards and the output terminal.  If yours is stock, check
for fuses. If the fuses are ok, look for a poor solder connection.

tom

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Jeroen Visser <visser.wj at gmail.com> wrote:

> To any NakTalk readers in the Netherlands, or familiar with repairing
> Nakamichi 620s,
>
>
> Last week suddenly the left channel of my Nakamichi 620 stopped working.
> I have switched the cables from my pre-amplifier (Luxman 5C50) from left
> to right to ensure it's not the pre-amp which is not working.
> Also switched the speaker cables/speakers from left to right to make sure
> it's not the speaker which is not working anymore.
> When I switch on the Nak, which I normally don't do since it's always
> switched on, BOTH LEDs (green/red) sometimes illuminate, also the left one
> although that channel doesn't produce any sound anymore.
>
> What could be the cause of this, is the following:
> - since some time switching on the pre-amp (which I do switch on/off all
> the time) produces a loud sound in the speakers
> - my solution for this is: "attenuate" switch on "signal off", then switch
> on or off the pre-amp
> - unfortunately my wife had not completely understood or remembered the
> sequence, since after the left channel has died, she mentioned that the
> speakers regularly gave a loud sound in the speakers ...
> - clearly I should have explained that better (until a few months ago this
> was no issue, but since then I have connected my TV to my pre-amp for sound
> as well ... so since then she's also switching on/off the equipment)
>
> My question:
> - could I fix this myself, if yes how?
> - does anyone know a reliable company/person to repair this (being Dutch
> it should be afforable too)
>
> I'm open for any suggestions
>
> +++++++
> Text in Dutch:
>
> Sinds vorige week heeft het linkerkanaal van mijn Nak 620 de geest gegeven.
> Heb kabels vanaf mijn voorversterker omgedraaid om uit te sluiten dat het
> de voorversterker is, ook luidsprekerkabels en luidsprekers omgewisseld om
> ook dat uit te sluiten.
> Als ik de Nak 620 aanzet, wat eigenlijk nooit gebeurt omdat die altijd
> aanstaat, zie ik de 2 leds (groen/rood) links op de Nak soms oplichten, ook
> de linker led doet dat nog ondanks dat er geen geluid meer uitkomt, ik weet
> niet of dat wellicht helpt voor de diagnose.
>
> Wat wellicht de oorzaak is, is het volgende:
> - sinds enige tijd veroorzaakt het aan- en uitzetten van de voorversterker
> (die ik wel steeds aan/uit deed/doe) een knal in de luidsprekers
> - mijn oplossing daarvoor was: "attenuate" schakelaar op stand "signal
> off", dan voorversterker aan- of uitzetten
> - helaas had mijn vrouw dat niet helemaal begrepen, nadat het linkerkanaal
> de geest had gegeven, zei ze dat de versterker regelmatig een knal gaf bij
> aanzetten ...
> - dat had ik dus duidelijker uit moeten leggen (tot enige maanden geleden
> had ik hier helemaal geen last van, maar ik ben het geluid van mijn TV ook
> via audio apparatuur gaan leiden .... sindsdien doet zij apparatuur ook
> regelmatig aan/uit)
>
> Mijn vragen:
> - kan ik dit zelf repareren, zo ja hoe?
> - weet iemand een adres (bedrijf/persoon) om dit te repareren?
>
> Ik hoor graag van jullie.
>
>
> Met vriendelijke groet/With kind regards,
>
> Jeroen Visser
>
>
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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 23:52:46 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:52:46 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Recent 1000zxl "limited" on eBay
In-Reply-To: <1143553168-1313839645-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2087175210-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>
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This deck was saved and is being returned to operation.
tom

On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:27 AM, <perry.nak at comcast.net> wrote:

> I also noticed all the same things but from what little I could tell
> everything looked
> to be in very good shape. So $3k for all those parts might not be a bad
> price. (wasn't me)
>
> and I would hope that anyone spending that amount for something in that
> many pieces
> would also be aware of what he was getting in to..
> Perry Esposito - From my phone
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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 00:11:39 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:11:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Majority of Nak gauges
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Nigel,
I've been away a long time! I'd be happy to sell you a set. Contact me at
hitech at birch.net



On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Nigel Day <alpha at iinet.net.au> wrote:

> Hi Tom
> I've been looking for pinch rollers for my 1000's for ages.  Any chance of
> getting 4?
>
> Fingers crossed!
>
> Regards
>
> Nigel
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of Tom Brucker
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2011 2:20 AM
> To: perry.nak at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Majority of Nak gauges
>
> I got the 1000 pinch rollers if anyone needs any. I also bought the clutch
> kits out of curiousity...like much of the auction, which included generic
> MCM parts or used stuff, the clutch kit is for HK decks (I am researching
> which one).  I am still puzzled about the bag of capstan shaft
> washers....why would anyone need 100 of them?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 6:12 AM, <perry.nak at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>         I didn't win the majority by any stretch, I only won 3 gauges and a
> few parts. Mostly stud repair kits, a few idler assemblies, and some back
> tension brakes, and some 680 switches (white tips only).  The seller threw
> in a few extras, as well as greatly discounted s&h, so it wasn't too bad.
> Just looks like I'm one of only 3 people that responded with feedback on
> the
> auction so far. They are not far from me, so I've gotten everything in just
> 2 days.  I was looking to purchase that last electrical lot as I noticed a
> few new CdS301 modules, but it went way high, as did the power adapter for
> the 550 and the few Sankyo reel motors. While I despise tearing apart a
> good
> deck for parts, this is an example of where it would be patently cheaper to
> do. You can buy Bx100s all day for next to nothing and get a lot of sankyo
> parts. Anyone else buy anything that they got too much of and wants to
> trade
> or sell? I only work on the later classics and the Sankyo decks.
>         Perry
>         Perry Esposito - From my phone
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Tom Brucker
> Hi Tech Service
> 2934 Nolensville Pike
> Nashville, TN USA
> 37220
> hitech77 at earthlink.net
>
>
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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 00:15:36 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:15:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] T-100
In-Reply-To: <B12D57346DF34323B27B710F19BDB5A8@superdator>
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Cleaning the rotary switch with deoxit is the first step. On some units the
oscillator boards' connector needs retensioning.  Also, deoxit on the relay
found in the same area as the rotary switch.
tom

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Pär Ericsson
<paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se>wrote:

> I have bought a T-100 in mint condition! Sadly it has an issue. The
> oscillator start and stops all the time. So far i have cleaned the
> connector for the oscillator board
> without success. Before i continue i thought i should listen if anyone has
> troubleshooting tips for this problem. The unit has been unused for the
> last 10 years or so.
> Regards Pelle.
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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 00:20:35 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:20:35 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CD Player 2
In-Reply-To: <CAE5nz2FLuNDqT6k4GpKAemcRhTOwGGTQKWtn7WEF2cEe=3w4SA@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm working on a similar CD player 4. Right now I believe the mechanism
micro is not communicating with the CXA1082, but I cannot fathom why. I
wonder if there is excess noise in the RF/EFM signal?

tom

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:32 AM, Douglas Guth <hifihospital at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Hello Nak Gurus,
>
>   Anyone seen a CD Player 2 that will typically not read a disc from a
> cold start?  As soon as I plug in the Nakamichi CD Test Unit the player
> will read the disc just fine with all of the alignment measurements per
> spec.  Then when I unplug the Test Unit the player continues to work great.
>  I got the unit in to replace the belts and noticed this strange behavior.
>  I asked the owner of the player about it and he said, "Oh yea, it
> occasionally won't read any disc and then work great for a while".  I tried
> a new laser, and then a new spindle motor all with no results.  The power
> supply voltages are all perfect and all suspect solder joints have been
> touched up.  I've ordered the CXA1082BS CD Servo Signal Processor chip
> since the spindle motor drive looks a little messy but that's just a guess
> since the eye pattern looks good.
>
>
> p.s. It is a CD Player 2 disguised as a McIntosh MCD 7008.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> *Doug Guth *CTS, BSBE, DMC-E
> *Service Engineer/ Programming - Unified AV Systems*
> dguth at unifiedav.com | www.unifiedav.com
> d: 864.478.1866 | m: 864.907.8904 | o: 864.297.8533
>
>
>
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 20 00:24:48 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:24:48 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Repair of left channel of Nakamichi 620
In-Reply-To: <CAAqwSUboRZ1GVsKrDK8hA2XpjH-5xQrYPFN-HQirihCdYedY8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJnyWQO=XVTabSbd4UZzqrCLHwCuYERRJsGNZbnm=9+KTd+Ljw@mail.gmail.com>
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When I lost the right channel on my 581 it turned out to be a capacitor in
the Dolby circuit.
 
Aloha,
Cheryl

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Brucker
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:47 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair of left channel of Nakamichi 620


The 620 may have had the speaker relay modification added, which would make
the relay contacts one likely cause. If you open the case the speaker relay
is the only one, and it is mounted on a slender board. Examine the wiring
between the amp boards and the output terminal.  If yours is stock, check
for fuses. If the fuses are ok, look for a poor solder connection.
 
tom


On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Jeroen Visser <visser.wj at gmail.com> wrote:


To any NakTalk readers in the Netherlands, or familiar with repairing
Nakamichi 620s,
 
 
Last week suddenly the left channel of my Nakamichi 620 stopped working.
I have switched the cables from my pre-amplifier (Luxman 5C50) from left to
right to ensure it's not the pre-amp which is not working.
Also switched the speaker cables/speakers from left to right to make sure
it's not the speaker which is not working anymore.
When I switch on the Nak, which I normally don't do since it's always
switched on, BOTH LEDs (green/red) sometimes illuminate, also the left one
although that channel doesn't produce any sound anymore.
 
What could be the cause of this, is the following:
- since some time switching on the pre-amp (which I do switch on/off all the
time) produces a loud sound in the speakers
- my solution for this is: "attenuate" switch on "signal off", then switch
on or off the pre-amp
- unfortunately my wife had not completely understood or remembered the
sequence, since after the left channel has died, she mentioned that the
speakers regularly gave a loud sound in the speakers ...
- clearly I should have explained that better (until a few months ago this
was no issue, but since then I have connected my TV to my pre-amp for sound
as well ... so since then she's also switching on/off the equipment)
 
My question:
- could I fix this myself, if yes how?
- does anyone know a reliable company/person to repair this (being Dutch it
should be afforable too)
 
I'm open for any suggestions
 
+++++++
Text in Dutch:
 
Sinds vorige week heeft het linkerkanaal van mijn Nak 620 de geest gegeven.
Heb kabels vanaf mijn voorversterker omgedraaid om uit te sluiten dat het de
voorversterker is, ook luidsprekerkabels en luidsprekers omgewisseld om ook
dat uit te sluiten.
Als ik de Nak 620 aanzet, wat eigenlijk nooit gebeurt omdat die altijd
aanstaat, zie ik de 2 leds (groen/rood) links op de Nak soms oplichten, ook
de linker led doet dat nog ondanks dat er geen geluid meer uitkomt, ik weet
niet of dat wellicht helpt voor de diagnose. 
 
Wat wellicht de oorzaak is, is het volgende:
- sinds enige tijd veroorzaakt het aan- en uitzetten van de voorversterker
(die ik wel steeds aan/uit deed/doe) een knal in de luidsprekers
- mijn oplossing daarvoor was: "attenuate" schakelaar op stand "signal off",
dan voorversterker aan- of uitzetten 
- helaas had mijn vrouw dat niet helemaal begrepen, nadat het linkerkanaal
de geest had gegeven, zei ze dat de versterker regelmatig een knal gaf bij
aanzetten ...
- dat had ik dus duidelijker uit moeten leggen (tot enige maanden geleden
had ik hier helemaal geen last van, maar ik ben het geluid van mijn TV ook
via audio apparatuur gaan leiden .... sindsdien doet zij apparatuur ook
regelmatig aan/uit)
 
Mijn vragen:
- kan ik dit zelf repareren, zo ja hoe?
- weet iemand een adres (bedrijf/persoon) om dit te repareren?
 
Ik hoor graag van jullie.
 

Met vriendelijke groet/With kind regards,

Jeroen Visser



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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 00:26:22 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:26:22 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx service
In-Reply-To: <53868C54-2011-44C0-97C8-398ED48E5EFE@colorado.edu>
References: <53868C54-2011-44C0-97C8-398ED48E5EFE@colorado.edu>
Message-ID: <CAAqwSUYkGOxsyPX2oVi+rLN6mUx1b950=x3D7fpLi2kf+AOs3w@mail.gmail.com>

No one that I am aware of, unless Victor in Utah will work on it. I am in
Tennessee and specialize in the 680 series.

tom

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Thomas Masterson <Tom.Masterson at colorado.edu
> wrote:

> My Nak 680ZX needs service (primarily new belts).
>  Is there anyone close to Denver Colorado USA who could do this?
>  Thanks, Tom
>
> tom.masterson at colorado.edu
>
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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 00:30:47 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:30:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL CPU
In-Reply-To: <2CAAFE36-A366-40C7-B4AA-955B368B83E5@gmail.com>
References: <2CAAFE36-A366-40C7-B4AA-955B368B83E5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAqwSUZmrzMGmiq_OeZv1s=vnT6BUcgwWb5G+ygpw5B846_5ng@mail.gmail.com>

Test for record bias. The erase oscillator is NOT used as a source for
record bias.  I worked a long time on a ZXL with one channel missing record
bias. I had to mail the deck to Willy, but never heard the final results.
tom

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Bala,
>
> ......and all electronic in-genies at this forum
>
> I restore 4psc  1000 ZXL, to keep two of them.
>
> Now I start the ZXL brought by my self  in  Japan.
>
> Nakamichi was closing down   on 2. April in Japan. Nakamichi did still
> work in a small place in  south  Japan.
>  Two times  the send rare parts to Austria.
>
> A bigger company, owner oft Sansui and Nakamichi and many more small
> companies did quit now.
>
> I did wright  them an E-mail. Ask them for ZX-parts, And ask how  and If
> the repair shop goes on in Japan.
>
> Now I started ZXL/3  needing the next idea.
>
> Recording  does not work. the Deck  is just recording very creaking if
> record Level is set to very high.
>
> Erase  the tape does work.
>
> All PP caps are new, and  I did check  them with a cap meeter ones.
>
> Record Signal does go into the CPU-B.
>
> Record Signal does  go to the record head connector. Listen able by a
> signal tracer. But  my- be without Bias.
>
> Voltage on IC  101/201 is less than in a working ZXL.
> IC 101/201 are new, with no change. IC 301 on CPU/B is okay.
>
> This Deck looks like It has got a long time of no use.
>
> Some  small CE caps did not look fine. So far I replace them on main PCB.
> with NICHICON and ELNA.
>
> replacing  complied REc. and Eq PCB does not help.
> Playback  sound and alignment  have been very good anyway.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Gerhard
>
>
>
>
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From lucidsound at ic24.net  Fri Jul 20 19:00:08 2012
From: lucidsound at ic24.net (Lucidsounds)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:00:08 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] T-100
References: <2066505531-1298031122-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-484680969-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><B12D57346DF34323B27B710F19BDB5A8@superdator>
	<CAAqwSUaAGTQF7KdnwXcfhSsEZ__aU5QHCF4nqVNuGpyPh0AKFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8204B5BE0E2E46ADBE2AE4842B84926C@Magdallen>

I have one of these where the two toggle switches for the ranges are intermittent.  I had a look inside and tried squirting the usual cleaner, but I can't see an easy way of actually getting to the switch contacts without a major dismantling job.

Hoping someone will tell me otherwise :-)

Lucid.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tom Brucker 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] T-100


  Cleaning the rotary switch with deoxit is the first step. On some units the oscillator boards' connector needs retensioning.  Also, deoxit on the relay found in the same area as the rotary switch.
  tom


  On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Pär Ericsson <paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se> wrote:

    I have bought a T-100 in mint condition! Sadly it has an issue. The oscillator start and stops all the time. So far i have cleaned the connector for the oscillator board
    without success. Before i continue i thought i should listen if anyone has troubleshooting tips for this problem. The unit has been unused for the last 10 years or so.
    Regards Pelle. 
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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 22:34:58 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:34:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] T-100
In-Reply-To: <8204B5BE0E2E46ADBE2AE4842B84926C@Magdallen>
References: <2066505531-1298031122-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-484680969-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<B12D57346DF34323B27B710F19BDB5A8@superdator>
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I just repaired one with this problem. Cleaners will not repair th
switches. I had to remove and open them, and burnish each contact by hand.
All 3 switches will need repair.

tom

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Lucidsounds <lucidsound at ic24.net> wrote:

> **
> I have one of these where the two toggle switches for the ranges are
> intermittent.  I had a look inside and tried squirting the usual cleaner,
> but I can't see an easy way of actually getting to the switch contacts
> without a major dismantling job.
>
> Hoping someone will tell me otherwise :-)
>
> Lucid.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Tom Brucker <nakdoc77 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:15 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] T-100
>
> Cleaning the rotary switch with deoxit is the first step. On some units
> the oscillator boards' connector needs retensioning.  Also, deoxit on the
> relay found in the same area as the rotary switch.
> tom
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Pär Ericsson <paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se
> > wrote:
>
>> I have bought a T-100 in mint condition! Sadly it has an issue. The
>> oscillator start and stops all the time. So far i have cleaned the
>> connector for the oscillator board
>> without success. Before i continue i thought i should listen if anyone
>> has troubleshooting tips for this problem. The unit has been unused for the
>> last 10 years or so.
>> Regards Pelle.
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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 22:38:13 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:38:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Repair of left channel of Nakamichi 620
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP329214830A7A7FD6F538BE086D90@phx.gbl>
References: <CAJnyWQO=XVTabSbd4UZzqrCLHwCuYERRJsGNZbnm=9+KTd+Ljw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAqwSUboRZ1GVsKrDK8hA2XpjH-5xQrYPFN-HQirihCdYedY8A@mail.gmail.com>
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Well yeah! But the 620 is a power amp. I think it has 1 cap in the signal
path. The 620 is a special amplifier.
tom

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> **
> When I lost the right channel on my 581 it turned out to be a capacitor in
> the Dolby circuit.
>
> Aloha,
> Cheryl
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Tom Brucker
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:47 AM
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Repair of left channel of Nakamichi 620
>
>   The 620 may have had the speaker relay modification added, which would
> make the relay contacts one likely cause. If you open the case the speaker
> relay is the only one, and it is mounted on a slender board. Examine the
> wiring between the amp boards and the output terminal.  If yours is stock,
> check for fuses. If the fuses are ok, look for a poor solder connection.
>
> tom
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Jeroen Visser <visser.wj at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> To any NakTalk readers in the Netherlands, or familiar with repairing
>> Nakamichi 620s,
>>
>>
>> Last week suddenly the left channel of my Nakamichi 620 stopped working.
>> I have switched the cables from my pre-amplifier (Luxman 5C50) from left
>> to right to ensure it's not the pre-amp which is not working.
>> Also switched the speaker cables/speakers from left to right to make sure
>> it's not the speaker which is not working anymore.
>> When I switch on the Nak, which I normally don't do since it's always
>> switched on, BOTH LEDs (green/red) sometimes illuminate, also the left one
>> although that channel doesn't produce any sound anymore.
>>
>> What could be the cause of this, is the following:
>> - since some time switching on the pre-amp (which I do switch on/off all
>> the time) produces a loud sound in the speakers
>> - my solution for this is: "attenuate" switch on "signal off", then
>> switch on or off the pre-amp
>> - unfortunately my wife had not completely understood or remembered the
>> sequence, since after the left channel has died, she mentioned that the
>> speakers regularly gave a loud sound in the speakers ...
>> - clearly I should have explained that better (until a few months ago
>> this was no issue, but since then I have connected my TV to my pre-amp for
>> sound as well ... so since then she's also switching on/off the equipment)
>>
>> My question:
>> - could I fix this myself, if yes how?
>> - does anyone know a reliable company/person to repair this (being Dutch
>> it should be afforable too)
>>
>> I'm open for any suggestions
>>
>> +++++++
>> Text in Dutch:
>>
>> Sinds vorige week heeft het linkerkanaal van mijn Nak 620 de geest
>> gegeven.
>> Heb kabels vanaf mijn voorversterker omgedraaid om uit te sluiten dat het
>> de voorversterker is, ook luidsprekerkabels en luidsprekers omgewisseld om
>> ook dat uit te sluiten.
>> Als ik de Nak 620 aanzet, wat eigenlijk nooit gebeurt omdat die altijd
>> aanstaat, zie ik de 2 leds (groen/rood) links op de Nak soms oplichten, ook
>> de linker led doet dat nog ondanks dat er geen geluid meer uitkomt, ik weet
>> niet of dat wellicht helpt voor de diagnose.
>>
>> Wat wellicht de oorzaak is, is het volgende:
>> - sinds enige tijd veroorzaakt het aan- en uitzetten van de
>> voorversterker (die ik wel steeds aan/uit deed/doe) een knal in de
>> luidsprekers
>> - mijn oplossing daarvoor was: "attenuate" schakelaar op stand "signal
>> off", dan voorversterker aan- of uitzetten
>> - helaas had mijn vrouw dat niet helemaal begrepen, nadat het
>> linkerkanaal de geest had gegeven, zei ze dat de versterker regelmatig een
>> knal gaf bij aanzetten ...
>> - dat had ik dus duidelijker uit moeten leggen (tot enige maanden geleden
>> had ik hier helemaal geen last van, maar ik ben het geluid van mijn TV ook
>> via audio apparatuur gaan leiden .... sindsdien doet zij apparatuur ook
>> regelmatig aan/uit)
>>
>> Mijn vragen:
>> - kan ik dit zelf repareren, zo ja hoe?
>> - weet iemand een adres (bedrijf/persoon) om dit te repareren?
>>
>> Ik hoor graag van jullie.
>>
>>
>> Met vriendelijke groet/With kind regards,
>>
>> Jeroen Visser
>>
>>
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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 22:45:57 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:45:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] orange caps and voltages
In-Reply-To: <000c01cd5fa5$0d51a730$27f4f590$@nl>
References: <SNT111-W431AC8927664A39CAB2C05DB000@phx.gbl>
	<CAM9V8McNo4hegnQf6ajP7drwkwj4Wy708+9SfmKpM6HHGCGF+A@mail.gmail.com>
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There are no silly questions. NakTalk is an expert site for all Nakamichi
lovers. No one here has to prove anything.

tom

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Norman Naktalk van Wijnen <
naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl> wrote:

>   Hi Willy,****
>
> ** **
>
> A question:****
>
> ** **
>
> I am busy replacing all orange caps in a ZX9 and find a 22000pf  orange
> cap on C305. This cap is 100 Volt. I have however only a 63 volt 1%
> replacement.****
>
> I wonder why Nakamichi decided to use 100 Volt orange caps. There was
> never reached such a voltage inside the deck.****
>
> Is it possible to replace the 100 Volt orange caps with 63 volt caps? Or
> is this a bad idea?****
>
> ** **
>
> I hope you have a thought about this.****
>
> ** **
>
> Regards Norman****
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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 22:53:19 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:53:19 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] lapping heads
In-Reply-To: <003e01cd0e9b$6948f080$3bdad180$@net>
References: <000d01cd0c9c$fb86cf40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>
	<9F2AAA81-FF4E-4D1C-B5B1-EE6D15E65A39@sky.com>
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I'm sure it could be done. Smooth surfaces is absolutely important, as it
the head contour.
BUT, I an shocked that anyone could wear a ZX 9 head enough to need
relapping. How about telling us why you want to try relapping? If the head
was corroded, yes, the first step is relapping.

tom

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

>  Hi,****
>
> I’d stay away from this operation. If the deck still plays/records I would
> use it as is until I would find replacement heads.****
>
> The precision you need for this operation is not possible without
> specialized tools and the required knowledge. My bet is that you can ONLY
> make it worth. If they are completely dead, you could play with what you
> have on your mind, but don’t expect the result to be more than an
> experiment; it can go both ways… One thing is sure: It will never ever
> sound like a Nak again.****
>
> Adrian****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
> Behalf Of *John Chapman
> *Sent:* Friday, March 30, 2012 2:32 AM
>
> *To:* Rainer & Joy-Ell; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>  *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] lapping heads****
>
>  ** **
>
> Hi****
>
> ** **
>
> You will need to have the lapping paper backed up by a block of some kind
> so the head is ground down at an even level. And arrange it so that the
> paper slides in the direction of tape travel to and fro - You would need to
> mount the head firmly down and be able to apply even pressure to the paper
> around the circumference of the head - imagine you were drying the back of
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 21 04:56:16 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:56:16 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Repair of left channel of Nakamichi 620
In-Reply-To: <CAAqwSUbMB_FZfBQHuRCWecKMRJVeTK=Ks_c5BfQfWpgYdAM3rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJnyWQO=XVTabSbd4UZzqrCLHwCuYERRJsGNZbnm=9+KTd+Ljw@mail.gmail.com><CAAqwSUboRZ1GVsKrDK8hA2XpjH-5xQrYPFN-HQirihCdYedY8A@mail.gmail.com><BLU0-SMTP329214830A7A7FD6F538BE086D90@phx.gbl>
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Dang me, dang me, they ought to take a rope and hang me! See how much I
know.... :-)
Filed for future reference in the sleepy neurons of my brain.
 
Aloha,
Cheryl

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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Brucker
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 10:38 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair of left channel of Nakamichi 620


Well yeah! But the 620 is a power amp. I think it has 1 cap in the signal
path. The 620 is a special amplifier.
tom


On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com> wrote:



When I lost the right channel on my 581 it turned out to be a capacitor in
the Dolby circuit.
 
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Sat Jul 21 02:45:23 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:45:23 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] lapping heads
References: <000d01cd0c9c$fb86cf40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0><9F2AAA81-FF4E-4D1C-B5B1-EE6D15E65A39@sky.com><001901cd0e1d$9b8f4270$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0><0171AAE0-00D1-48CD-AF18-5DAE16E1AE36@sky.com><003e01cd0e9b$6948f080$3bdad180$@net>
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Hi Tom, good to have you back :)  Long story and it's been a while since that post but here it goes. I was going crazy trying to get left channel to calibrate properly. Switched left and right play head leads and problem switched as well which led me to believe(wrongly) that there was a problem with play head. When I looked at the head carefully I could see a very,very small ridge just before the open side groove that is supposed to prevent the wear ridge. As far as I can tell almost any problems with tape travel and machine wear will cause the tape to travel to the outside(as was the case with this machine) and miss the side groove and then result in the ridge forming. Of course even a the smallest ridge will effect the tape contact(especially on the left channel when it is brought back into alignment.Sooooo  I bought 582 off E-bay for replacement heads and put in a TD-700 play head to try in the meantime, problem still there! I then checked the record head and saw a much  more noticeable ridge!. I have a Dragon(the one with the azimuth meter) that I am almost positive has the same issue and when the 582 arrived the heads where green with corrosion, so ya,I guess I'm going to try lapp'in that too:( .  Found a guy on E-bay that was selling lapping paper and convinced him to put together an assortment package down to 0.2 micron, got a 0.2 micron water filter (E-bay as well) and small pump, know just need the time to set it all up. Ironoc thing is that there was a brand new ZX-7 record head for sale while I was knee- deep in this and I missed out on it! :(    




----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tom Brucker 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 2:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] lapping heads


  I'm sure it could be done. Smooth surfaces is absolutely important, as it the head contour.
  BUT, I an shocked that anyone could wear a ZX 9 head enough to need relapping. How about telling us why you want to try relapping? If the head was corroded, yes, the first step is relapping.

  tom


  On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

    Hi,

    I’d stay away from this operation. If the deck still plays/records I would use it as is until I would find replacement heads.

    The precision you need for this operation is not possible without specialized tools and the required knowledge. My bet is that you can ONLY make it worth. If they are completely dead, you could play with what you have on your mind, but don’t expect the result to be more than an experiment; it can go both ways… One thing is sure: It will never ever sound like a Nak again.

    Adrian



    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of John Chapman
    Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 2:32 AM 


    To: Rainer & Joy-Ell; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks

    Subject: Re: [naktalk] lapping heads




    Hi



    You will need to have the lapping paper backed up by a block of some kind so the head is ground down at an even level. And arrange it so that the paper slides in the direction of tape travel to and fro - You would need to mount the head firmly down and be able to apply even pressure to the paper around the circumference of the head - imagine you were drying the back of your neck with a towel! I seem to remember using a rubber block as employed by car refinishers, with 1200 grade wet and dry stretched over it. This was on an ancient Akai 1710 I was refurbishing - still have it for my old tapes of Top Gear and dear old John Peel



    If the head is ground in any way but evenly you may well get drop outs I guess.



    Someone is going to say this is complete tosh of course and they ma well be right!

    Regards



    John Chapman

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    On 30 Mar 2012, at 03:34, Rainer & Joy-Ell wrote:





    Thanks John, I'm getting a hold of some lapping paper and going to give it a try. I would buy definetly buy a new head if I could though.



    Cheers,

    Rainer



    P.S. I think your right about the luck part! :) 

      ----- Original Message -----

      From: John Chapman

      To: Rainer & Joy-Ell ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks

      Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:17 AM

      Subject: Re: [naktalk] lapping heads



      I have lapped heads successfully on Akai r-reels and you must get a glass smooth finish using metal polish to finish off but on a ZX9! You would need a surgeons glasses and a lot of luck.



      Regards



      John Chapman

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      On 28 Mar 2012, at 05:41, Rainer & Joy-Ell wrote:





      Anyone have any luck lapping ZX-9 heads?  How important is the smoothness of the finish?



      Cheers,

      Rainer S. 






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From nakamichi at marrscom.com  Sun Jul 22 18:45:16 2012
From: nakamichi at marrscom.com (nakamichi at marrscom.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:45:16 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 7-22-12  NEW ITEMS at MARRS COMMUNICATIONS.COM
Message-ID: <500C2E1C.20402@marrscom.com>

7-22-12  NEW ITEMS at MARRS COMMUNICATIONS.COM

Hello everyone,

New Items Now Available at Marrs Communications.com


1. Nakamichi 600 / 600II Belt Kit with REEL TIRES.

2. Tascam 122MK Belt Kit with TIMING BELT.

Thanks, Fred M.




From spmcmanus at cox.net  Mon Jul 23 03:48:40 2012
From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:48:40 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] PB ON 582
Message-ID: <20120722214840.1IVU5.725637.imail@eastrmwml208>

If you have no output signal on playback, check to see if the stop lamp is burned out. If it is burned out the fix for it is in the Wiki section, a fairly easy fix! Cheryl helped me through this a few months back...


From fred at marrscom.com  Mon Jul 23 21:27:28 2012
From: fred at marrscom.com (fred at marrscom.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:27:28 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] VACATION NOTICE
Message-ID: <500DA5A0.9020608@marrscom.com>

*7-23-12


***** ADVANCED VACATION NOTICE FOR AUGUST *****



Marrs Communications will be closed the entire month of August.

Email questions will be answered on a limited basis.

The DEADLINE for placing orders to be shipped Before Vacation,

is Friday July 27th. Fred M.



***** ADVANCED VACATION NOTICE FOR AUGUST ******


From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 23 22:20:24 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:20:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] VACATION NOTICE
In-Reply-To: <500DA5A0.9020608@marrscom.com>
References: <500DA5A0.9020608@marrscom.com>
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Enjoy Fred.

Ram


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From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz  Mon Jul 23 23:18:32 2012
From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 09:18:32 +1200
Subject: [naktalk] Out of office
Message-ID: <F98BCC1954D74D2A842B7597534501C1@emachinef0bb72>

Hello All,

FYI
No shipping from GennLab from 1/08/12 to 18/09/12.
Heading to Europe.

E-mails will be answered from my mobile phone.
The deadline for placing orders to be shipped is 29/07/12.

Regards,

Gennady Lyskin

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Tel: +64 21 238 3056
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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 23 23:22:09 2012
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:22:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] VACATION NOTICE
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Message-ID: <1343078529.9004.YahooMailClassic@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Fred, Maybe you'll have some spare time to get on the air?  CU on 40 meters maybe???I assume you got your antenna up???
Bob N

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From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] VACATION NOTICE
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, July 23, 2012, 1:20 PM

Enjoy Fred.
Ram
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 Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 3:27 PM
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 24 22:33:09 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:33:09 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Parts request.
Message-ID: <1B5522B2-E51C-438F-A5F1-E43B77D83C6F@yahoo.com>

Hi folks,

I am looking for the master record level control knob and the two fader (up and down) buttons for the Cr7A deck. 
If any one has them, please contact me off list.

Ram.

Sent from my iPad


From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Wed Jul 25 17:54:05 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:54:05 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 original pressure rollers
Message-ID: <5010169D.3040705@univ-rennes1.fr>

Dear all,

I have 8 ( 4 pairs) original Nakamichi pressure rollers to sell (0C0 
8164 G).
You may contact me off list in interested.

Enjoy your summer break
bernard


From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Wed Jul 25 23:12:15 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:12:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 original pressure rollers
In-Reply-To: <5010169D.3040705@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <5010169D.3040705@univ-rennes1.fr>
Message-ID: <000001cd6aaa$2ac635f0$8052a1d0$@nl>

Hi Bernard,
Could i buy two of them?

What is your price?

Regards Norman

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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Verzonden: woensdag 25 juli 2012 17:54
Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Onderwerp: [naktalk] ZX-9 original pressure rollers

Dear all,

I have 8 ( 4 pairs) original Nakamichi pressure rollers to sell (0C0
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Jul 27 11:50:00 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:50:00 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Learn French!
Message-ID: <4e3953dac9b527983b8aea7402a2fc8c.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

For those English speaking Nak owners interested in ZX-9/BX-1/BX-2 and
willing to learn French...

Bernard just send me a French ZX-9/BX-1/BX-2 brochure and I had scans of
the English version.. now they are both on the wiki page (bottom):

http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents

Enjoy, maybe with a glass of French wine!

Wouter



From fred at marrscom.com  Fri Jul 27 17:06:33 2012
From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:06:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 7-27-12 NAKAMICHI ORDERS WILL SHIP DURING VACATION
Message-ID: <5012AE79.2020806@marrscom.com>

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ONLY NAKAMICHI ORDERS WILL CONTINUE TO SHIP DURING VACATION !

VACATION IS BEING SPENT WITH FAMILY, AND ORDERS MUST BE

TAKEN TO THE LOCAL POST OFFICE FOR SHIPMENT.

THEREFORE ---

THE 3 DAY SHIP GUARANTEE DOES NOT APPLY WHILE I AM ON VACATION.


REPEAT: THE 3 DAY SHIP GUARANTEE DOES NOT APPLY WHILE

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ONLY NAKAMICHI ORDERS WILL BE SHIPPED IN A REASONABLE

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NEW CONTACT INFORMATION, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.


Do to missed or non-receipt of PM messages,

use One of these Two email address ONLY.

For Orders: orders at marrscom.com

For Inquiries: inquiry at marrscom.com

Website: http://www.marrscommunications.com

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From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Fri Jul 27 18:26:51 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:26:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 pressure rollers
Message-ID: <5012C14B.7070407@univ-rennes1.fr>

To the list,

The four pairs are sold!

I migth get some extra ones by late october but nothing for sure!
So it could be a good idea for those who do want some to tell me well 
before.

Have a good summer
bernard


From r1seals at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 28 16:36:30 2012
From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 07:36:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 7-27-12 NAKAMICHI ORDERS WILL SHIP DURING VACATION
In-Reply-To: <5012AE79.2020806@marrscom.com>
Message-ID: <1343486190.38400.YahooMailClassic@web113310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

well Fred have a good time and hope all the the family and your self are all in good health talk to you later 
 PS maybe a little cooler to lol.

Russ

--- On Fri, 7/27/12, Fred Marrs <fred at marrscom.com> wrote:

From: Fred Marrs <fred at marrscom.com>
Subject: [naktalk] 7-27-12 NAKAMICHI ORDERS WILL SHIP DURING VACATION
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Friday, July 27, 2012, 10:06 AM

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7-27-12

ONLY NAKAMICHI ORDERS WILL CONTINUE TO SHIP DURING VACATION !

VACATION IS BEING SPENT WITH FAMILY, AND ORDERS MUST BE

TAKEN TO THE LOCAL POST OFFICE FOR SHIPMENT.

THEREFORE ---

THE 3 DAY SHIP GUARANTEE DOES NOT APPLY WHILE I AM ON VACATION.


REPEAT: THE 3 DAY SHIP GUARANTEE DOES NOT APPLY WHILE

I AM ON VACATION !



ONLY NAKAMICHI ORDERS WILL BE SHIPPED IN A REASONABLE

AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT NO GUARANTEES.




***** CLOSED FOR VACATION MONTH OF AUGUST *****



Marrs Communications will be closed the entire month of August.

Email questions will be answered on a limited basis.

The DEADLINE for placing orders to be shipped Before Vacation,

is Thursday July 26th.

Fred M.




***** CLOSED FOR VACATION MONTH OF AUGUST *****




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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Fri Jun  1 18:05:00 2012
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:05:00 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
Message-ID: <000b01cd4010$4ce394d0$e6aabe70$@math.utah.edu>

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062&ssPageNa
me=ADME:B:SS:US:1123





From angel9esoteric at gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 18:52:28 2012
From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:52:28 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
In-Reply-To: <000b01cd4010$4ce394d0$e6aabe70$@math.utah.edu>
References: <000b01cd4010$4ce394d0$e6aabe70$@math.utah.edu>
Message-ID: <CAEo=m-VdZ9dFqsEQ+AgnxV5RamK3Zm0ySSNc3w9VjVGub2AyUg@mail.gmail.com>

It might be funny but the last one sold on german ebay for more than
$10,000.The prices for 1000zxl gold will continue to rise no matter
what.

On 6/1/12, Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> wrote:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062&ssPageNa
> me=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Jun  1 19:27:17 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:27:17 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
In-Reply-To: <000b01cd4010$4ce394d0$e6aabe70$@math.utah.edu>
References: <000b01cd4010$4ce394d0$e6aabe70$@math.utah.edu>
Message-ID: <03a53c12515bca4ed0c457742a498e2a.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

I think a problem with the 0 on sellers keyboard ;-)

> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062&ssPageNa
> me=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
>




From lenaw at flash.net  Fri Jun  1 19:30:28 2012
From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:30:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
In-Reply-To: <CAEo=m-VdZ9dFqsEQ+AgnxV5RamK3Zm0ySSNc3w9VjVGub2AyUg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1338571828.76895.YahooMailRC@web184506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Also ask Ben S. how much he paid for his Ltd from Jeff in ESL several years ago. 





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From: MD <angel9esoteric at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Fri, June 1, 2012 12:05:22 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?

It might be funny but the last one sold on german ebay for more than
$10,000.The prices for 1000zxl gold will continue to rise no matter
what.

On 6/1/12, Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> wrote:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062&ssPageNa
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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Fri Jun  1 19:32:41 2012
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:32:41 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
In-Reply-To: <20120601130514.C15Y1.113838.root@pamxwww11-z01>
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$20,000 and no returns!! Missing gold buttons? Gold finish is rubbed off? Not 
serviced!! Ouch!!

I have a Studer A-80 QRC specially designed for cassette mediums that I would 
be willing to let go for $20,000. Ha Ha!!


-----Original Message-----
From: mfallon at windstream.net [mailto:mfallon at windstream.net]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 11:05 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Cc: Victor Gabrenas
Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?

If it is on Ebay, it has to be for real!!!!


---- Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> wrote:
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From lucidsound at ic24.net  Fri Jun  1 21:14:58 2012
From: lucidsound at ic24.net (Lucidsounds)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:14:58 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
References: <000b01cd4010$4ce394d0$e6aabe70$@math.utah.edu><20120601130514.C15Y1.113838.root@pamxwww11-z01>
	<005a01cd401c$8be9cdf0$a3bd69d0$@math.utah.edu>
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As they say in England, "Well, good luck with that".


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] running joke?


> $20,000 and no returns!! Missing gold buttons? Gold finish is rubbed off? 
> Not
> serviced!! Ouch!!
>
> I have a Studer A-80 QRC specially designed for cassette mediums that I 
> would
> be willing to let go for $20,000. Ha Ha!!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mfallon at windstream.net [mailto:mfallon at windstream.net]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 11:05 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Cc: Victor Gabrenas
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?
>
> If it is on Ebay, it has to be for real!!!!
>
>
> ---- Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> wrote:
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062&ss
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>> me=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
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From mfallon at windstream.net  Fri Jun  1 19:05:14 2012
From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:05:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
In-Reply-To: <000b01cd4010$4ce394d0$e6aabe70$@math.utah.edu>
Message-ID: <20120601130514.C15Y1.113838.root@pamxwww11-z01>

If it is on Ebay, it has to be for real!!!!


---- Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> wrote: 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062&ssPageNa
> me=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
> 
> 
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Fri Jun  1 20:12:12 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:12:12 -0300
Subject: RES: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505
In-Reply-To: <CABa_+eEOKCQNbk1vYsqCXegaNKDy1XuDzWfS9nAHp7YENs=odg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=Ptn2N7CZiOUngCedxc1sYaD7Lfg@mail.gmail.com><CAM9V8Md7kk-nmU9YxN_+TUutK2nrvDJAU51OG4SF-jGt3DzN1g@mail.gmail.com><CANYm2JpXjQSFAYiOOv_gcOFPMPbuGWOjVJBrJkoYWWViqrLEkQ@mail.gmail.com><CANj54jy3w3hMiJSoxZjfAFcec2WWeKvKH8nMwtXBRe4md=qxuQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Good afternoon Fred,

 

Sorry to Just cold call your email you like this, but as a follower, a Nakamichi and hi fi devotee and an active reader of Naktalk and your comments, I thought I´d be bold and ask for your help off line. As an expert technician, I´d appreciate if you could give me some insight on the following issue.

 

I live in Brazil and come to the US quite frequently (job related travelling) and bring back stereo vintage I buy on eBay and other sources. Occasionally I buy locally, here in Brazil, and that´s when I get screwed (forgive me for my French...!). I bought a r2r Akai 1730 which happens to have a faulty motor. It starts up well and after a while it heats up and slows down or even stops. According to my local technician, the motor heats up and loses traction power. He says it cannot be fixed (which incidentally is my first question) and that he will search for a replacement. 

 

So, in your opinion, if you have one, is it theoretically possible to repair the motor? Is it worth it?

Or,

Should I make my life easier (and stop wasting your time) by simply buying a cheap parts-only similar deck and hope the motor is working or are these motors easily bought in the US?

 

Thank you in advance for any advice you may share with me.

 

Best regards,

 

Rodrigo Krause

 

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Fred Longworth
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 6 de julho de 2011 02:43
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505

 

CT,

Google tells me that your post is being sent from an unauthenticated gmail account. Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but Google has sent me separate warnings for two of your posts.

So, I'm not sure that the problem is with Naktalk per se. You might check into whether your ISP has a problem, or whether your gmail account has been compromised.

Best,

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

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On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote:

This is OT but I am getting absurd responses from the Naktalk server saying that I am not a member and other things.  I also can't get through to Julie Kessler which I have wanted to do for a few days now.  At the moment it feels like I may as well be dead for all the response I am getting.  Could Willy or someone else please reglee my account so I feel like a human being again.  And could I please just make this post available so that Julie knows that I have tried to reply.  (Possibly not this time with an offer of marriage, though I have found no reason so far to put me off.  The Dragon talk was quite fun - someone said we do end up marrying dragons - which I can't disagree with.)

 

Best wishes

 

CT

 

On 3 July 2011 00:07, MichaelG. <eidling at gmail.com> wrote:

So I have since learned...

 

Willly - you are everywhere!  In a separate e-mail I sent you my information.  When I hear back from you I will box and ship the rx-505.  It definitely "groans" a bit when it stops.

 

What is your opinion of this model?  I've always tended to avoid complicated things - I've always thought there will just be more things to go wrong, but it is a nice deck.  I'm not sure that it sounds significantly different from my BX-2 which Nakamichi serviced and then saw little use, but perhaps that is just because the RX-505 needs to be properly set up, adjusted, etc.

 

thanks again,

 

Michael

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:

It's not broken.  It works only in record mode.  Load a tape, press record and pause, feed it some source information and set your levels.  Then press the "Fader Down" button and you'll see the sound decrease to zero and the lights change. 

 

Willy

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, MichaelG. <eidling at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi - Can anyone tell me how to fix this?

 

thanks!


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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  2 00:24:49 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (bg3009 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:24:49 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
In-Reply-To: <CAEo=m-VdZ9dFqsEQ+AgnxV5RamK3Zm0ySSNc3w9VjVGub2AyUg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <D1B4F8B2-51B1-4F19-B519-712C338ACFC5@yahoo.com>

This has been a major problem with a lot of hi if equipment over the last few years where vintage audio equipment is just being overvalued. I was offered RX202s for free but look at the price now.   While we know of how well the equipment can perform and enjoy its full potential, the danger exists that down the road, this equipment may not be as valued by the next generation. How much then is the value and are we looking at negative equity? 

There is a finite value for these items but I'm afraid we have far breached that sensible limit. We see what has happened to countries that lived in that false economic vacuum and this has happened many times before. Seriously guys, we have to stop this lunacy. As good as the Limited is, it's worth not more then a quarter of the value posted here. 

Some of us may beg to differ and I recognize that. But ask yourself if you are building a sustainable lifetime hobby, or are you clicking that Bid button on an impulse and just because you want it. Is it being financed by cheap credit that allows you to finance this equipment beyond what it is really worth? So sellers also add zeroes into their price tags with impunity? 

As with many things these days, this is false economy and slowly, it will come down. I have seen the prices for a long time and their anomalous rise the last few years. Good luck to those who win this bid but the sound of the deck may not be so music when the values come back to what these equipment are really worth. 

Cheers! 

Sent from Bala's iPad

On 02/06/2012, at 2:52 AM, MD <angel9esoteric at gmail.com> wrote:

> It might be funny but the last one sold on german ebay for more than
> $10,000.The prices for 1000zxl gold will continue to rise no matter
> what.
> 
> On 6/1/12, Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> wrote:
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062&ssPageNa
>> me=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From patty at jbrudy.com  Sat Jun  2 00:38:54 2012
From: patty at jbrudy.com (Patty)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:38:54 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
In-Reply-To: <25CFDC4D445F48B2AF8800BF0A6CAB98@Magdallen>
References: <000b01cd4010$4ce394d0$e6aabe70$@math.utah.edu><20120601130514.C15Y1.113838.root@pamxwww11-z01><005a01cd401c$8be9cdf0$a3bd69d0$@math.utah.edu>
	<25CFDC4D445F48B2AF8800BF0A6CAB98@Magdallen>
Message-ID: <1C6AABCCF47C4AF5B07B070360C76FCD@UserPC>

THE ONLY WAY I COULD SEE ANYONE GETTING THAT KIND OF MONEY IS IF IT WAS
OWNED BY A CELEB.  WHEN I WORKED AT NAKAMICHI (16years) WE HAD SIMON
GARFUNKLE AND STEVIE WONDER BRING THERE GOLD 1000ZXL'S.  CABINET WAS ALSO
CHESTNUT IN COLOR AND HAD NAKAMICHI'S SIGNITURE ON THE BACK.  OH AND IF IT
HAD THE CELEB'S SIGNITURE ON IT TOO.....



-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Lucidsounds
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:15 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?

As they say in England, "Well, good luck with that".


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] running joke?


> $20,000 and no returns!! Missing gold buttons? Gold finish is rubbed off? 
> Not
> serviced!! Ouch!!
>
> I have a Studer A-80 QRC specially designed for cassette mediums that I 
> would
> be willing to let go for $20,000. Ha Ha!!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mfallon at windstream.net [mailto:mfallon at windstream.net]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 11:05 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Cc: Victor Gabrenas
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?
>
> If it is on Ebay, it has to be for real!!!!
>
>
> ---- Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> wrote:
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062&ss
>> PageNa
>> me=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
>>
>>
>>
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  2 00:40:01 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:40:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
In-Reply-To: <20120601130514.C15Y1.113838.root@pamxwww11-z01>
References: <000b01cd4010$4ce394d0$e6aabe70$@math.utah.edu>
	<20120601130514.C15Y1.113838.root@pamxwww11-z01>
Message-ID: <1338590401.68754.YahooMailNeo@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Whats amazing is the seller wants a shipping fee of $350 for 48 USA states. That is a rip off no matter how you slice it. I have shipped ZXLs to WIlly from NY to CA and 
had it very well packed and it cost me $50 to ship and $50 to pack.

Lets se  if there is a buyer! :)

Ram



________________________________
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To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
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If it is on Ebay, it has to be for real!!!!


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From eunkefer at verizon.net  Fri Jun  1 22:23:20 2012
From: eunkefer at verizon.net (Ed Unkefer)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:23:20 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
In-Reply-To: <25CFDC4D445F48B2AF8800BF0A6CAB98@Magdallen>
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On the positive side, only $350 shipping :)

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Lucidsounds
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 3:15 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?

As they say in England, "Well, good luck with that".


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] running joke?


> $20,000 and no returns!! Missing gold buttons? Gold finish is rubbed off? 
> Not
> serviced!! Ouch!!
>
> I have a Studer A-80 QRC specially designed for cassette mediums that I 
> would
> be willing to let go for $20,000. Ha Ha!!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mfallon at windstream.net [mailto:mfallon at windstream.net]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 11:05 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Cc: Victor Gabrenas
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?
>
> If it is on Ebay, it has to be for real!!!!
>
>
> ---- Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> wrote:
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062&ss
>> PageNa
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From angel9esoteric at gmail.com  Sat Jun  2 02:51:14 2012
From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:51:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
In-Reply-To: <1C6AABCCF47C4AF5B07B070360C76FCD@UserPC>
References: <000b01cd4010$4ce394d0$e6aabe70$@math.utah.edu>
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Hello Patty, I just wanted to ask you since you're on forum now.I have
Nak 1000ZXL Limited with black faceplate.Are you aware of their
existence? Were these custom built for someone who preferred black
instead of golden faceplate? I only saw another one over the
years.Thank you. Best regards,M

On 6/1/12, Patty <patty at jbrudy.com> wrote:
> THE ONLY WAY I COULD SEE ANYONE GETTING THAT KIND OF MONEY IS IF IT WAS
> OWNED BY A CELEB.  WHEN I WORKED AT NAKAMICHI (16years) WE HAD SIMON
> GARFUNKLE AND STEVIE WONDER BRING THERE GOLD 1000ZXL'S.  CABINET WAS ALSO
> CHESTNUT IN COLOR AND HAD NAKAMICHI'S SIGNITURE ON THE BACK.  OH AND IF IT
> HAD THE CELEB'S SIGNITURE ON IT TOO.....
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of Lucidsounds
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:15 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?
>
> As they say in England, "Well, good luck with that".
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu>
> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 6:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] running joke?
>
>
>> $20,000 and no returns!! Missing gold buttons? Gold finish is rubbed off?
>>
>> Not
>> serviced!! Ouch!!
>>
>> I have a Studer A-80 QRC specially designed for cassette mediums that I
>> would
>> be willing to let go for $20,000. Ha Ha!!
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mfallon at windstream.net [mailto:mfallon at windstream.net]
>> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 11:05 AM
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Cc: Victor Gabrenas
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?
>>
>> If it is on Ebay, it has to be for real!!!!
>>
>>
>> ---- Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> wrote:
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062&ss
>>> PageNa
>>> me=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Sat Jun  2 10:59:34 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:59:34 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
In-Reply-To: <000b01cd4010$4ce394d0$e6aabe70$@math.utah.edu>
References: <000b01cd4010$4ce394d0$e6aabe70$@math.utah.edu>
Message-ID: <000f01cd409e$07f59d80$17e0d880$@nl>

Haha,

I think that Money from Pink Floyd sounds the best on this deck,

Regards

Norman

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
Victor Gabrenas
Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2012 18:05
Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Onderwerp: [naktalk] running joke?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062&ssPageNa
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From angel9esoteric at gmail.com  Sat Jun  2 16:43:03 2012
From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:43:03 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
In-Reply-To: <000f01cd409e$07f59d80$17e0d880$@nl>
References: <000b01cd4010$4ce394d0$e6aabe70$@math.utah.edu>
	<000f01cd409e$07f59d80$17e0d880$@nl>
Message-ID: <CAEo=m-WDkh=AVEWQTKE17R2z_Nw7jPcc1Na13OrNk9ocPoMMrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Considering for how much MFSL's Pink Floyd cassettes are selling for
on ebay it's perfect match!

On 6/2/12, Norman van Wijnen <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl> wrote:
> Haha,
>
> I think that Money from Pink Floyd sounds the best on this deck,
>
> Regards
>
> Norman
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
> Victor Gabrenas
> Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2012 18:05
> Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Onderwerp: [naktalk] running joke?
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062&ssPageNa
> me=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
>
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From mblindsey at gmail.com  Sat Jun  2 18:05:42 2012
From: mblindsey at gmail.com (Michael Lindsey)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:05:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700
Message-ID: <CAAz=JnyJxai3TW_C=WBiM9pa2HCFrhOy1MW_d=A_mMsjbqZRSg@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone interested in a Nak700?  Recently serviced, close to mint condition.
 Contact me off list at 'mblindsey AT gmail DOT com' for pics and details.

Thanks for the space,
Michael
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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Sat Jun  2 18:40:22 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:40:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
In-Reply-To: <CAEo=m-WDkh=AVEWQTKE17R2z_Nw7jPcc1Na13OrNk9ocPoMMrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000b01cd4010$4ce394d0$e6aabe70$@math.utah.edu>,
	<000f01cd409e$07f59d80$17e0d880$@nl>,
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try a Pink Floyd record on a good record player.. I think it will beat any tape any time ;) regards, pieter
 > Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:43:03 -0400
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?
> From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> 
> Considering for how much MFSL's Pink Floyd cassettes are selling for
> on ebay it's perfect match!
> 
> On 6/2/12, Norman van Wijnen <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl> wrote:
> > Haha,
> >
> > I think that Money from Pink Floyd sounds the best on this deck,
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Norman
> >
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
> > Victor Gabrenas
> > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2012 18:05
> > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Onderwerp: [naktalk] running joke?
> >
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062&ssPageNa
> > me=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
> >
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From angel9esoteric at gmail.com  Sat Jun  2 21:34:59 2012
From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:34:59 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
In-Reply-To: <BAY156-W30FCC8FAE4983DFA7BB78EE3090@phx.gbl>
References: <000b01cd4010$4ce394d0$e6aabe70$@math.utah.edu>
	<000f01cd409e$07f59d80$17e0d880$@nl>
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It will not...I remember that when Mobile Fidelity first introduced
their cassettes they made a blind test at presentation and most
listeners choose tape over vinyl.

On 6/2/12, pieter rodgers <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> try a Pink Floyd record on a good record player.. I think it will beat any
> tape any time ;) regards, pieter
>  > Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:43:03 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?
>> From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>>
>> Considering for how much MFSL's Pink Floyd cassettes are selling for
>> on ebay it's perfect match!
>>
>> On 6/2/12, Norman van Wijnen <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl> wrote:
>> > Haha,
>> >
>> > I think that Money from Pink Floyd sounds the best on this deck,
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Norman
>> >
>> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
>> > Victor Gabrenas
>> > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2012 18:05
>> > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> > Onderwerp: [naktalk] running joke?
>> >
>> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062&ssPageNa
>> > me=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
>> >
>> >
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From lenaw at flash.net  Sat Jun  2 23:13:48 2012
From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:13:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
In-Reply-To: <CAEo=m-UYEeeExxG93oRZEWXNYTgg9LQj91X=hQTDGNYwrg_suA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000b01cd4010$4ce394d0$e6aabe70$@math.utah.edu>
	<000f01cd409e$07f59d80$17e0d880$@nl>
	<CAEo=m-WDkh=AVEWQTKE17R2z_Nw7jPcc1Na13OrNk9ocPoMMrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY156-W30FCC8FAE4983DFA7BB78EE3090@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <1338671628.65770.YahooMailRC@web184509.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

It was performed in the University of Miami among LP, Cassette and CD versions 
of DSOTM (all by MoFi). The cassette ends up to be the preferred media in the 
end of this blind Test.




________________________________
From: MD <angel9esoteric at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sat, June 2, 2012 2:47:47 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?

It will not...I remember that when Mobile Fidelity first introduced
their cassettes they made a blind test at presentation and most
listeners choose tape over vinyl.

On 6/2/12, pieter rodgers <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> try a Pink Floyd record on a good record player.. I think it will beat any
> tape any time ;) regards, pieter
>  > Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:43:03 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?
>> From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>>
>> Considering for how much MFSL's Pink Floyd cassettes are selling for
>> on ebay it's perfect match!
>>
>> On 6/2/12, Norman van Wijnen <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl> wrote:
>> > Haha,
>> >
>> > I think that Money from Pink Floyd sounds the best on this deck,
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Norman
>> >
>> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
>> > Victor Gabrenas
>> > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2012 18:05
>> > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> > Onderwerp: [naktalk] running joke?
>> >
>> > 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062&ssPageNa
>> > me=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
>> >
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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Sun Jun  3 02:37:29 2012
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:37:29 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] could be another scam!
Message-ID: <003601cd4121$0f034090$2d09c1b0$@math.utah.edu>

A friend of mine sent me this.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/ele/3050206818.html

Rumor has it, this was just purchased a short time ago and listed for a
$12,000 profit.



From josephjean at verizon.net  Sun Jun  3 03:05:33 2012
From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 21:05:33 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] could be another scam!
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Is this the same one as eBay?  Because I recall someone mentioning 
the rubbed off gold on the front.

This one looks a bit tough.


At 08:37 PM 6/2/2012, you wrote:
>A friend of mine sent me this.
>
>http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/ele/3050206818.html
>
>Rumor has it, this was just purchased a short time ago and listed for a
>$12,000 profit.
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From imbobman at netzero.net  Sat Jun  2 22:16:19 2012
From: imbobman at netzero.net (imbobman at netzero.net)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 20:16:19 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
Message-ID: <20120602.151619.11581.1@webmail12.vgs.untd.com>

I've had both the MFSL tape & the record. 
Initially, in perfect, mint condition it's very close. 
The mofi tapes were type II, made by BASF, with Dolby b nr. The tapes sounded very good but were venerable to wear & rather delicate. 
Many of the LPs, even new, had some slight surface noise in spots. I think the Lps would last longer.
I knew an engineer that work for MFSL & he gave me some tapes he personally hand made from the original masters ( true 1st generation tapes). One was a Vivaldi flute chamber music & it sounded just tremendous! 
regards,
Bob

---------- Original Message ----------
From: MD <angel9esoteric at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:34:59 -0400

It will not...I remember that when Mobile Fidelity first introduced
their cassettes they made a blind test at presentation and most
listeners choose tape over vinyl.

On 6/2/12, pieter rodgers <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> try a Pink Floyd record on a good record player.. I think it will beat any
> tape any time ;) regards, pieter
>  > Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:43:03 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?
>> From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>>
>> Considering for how much MFSL's Pink Floyd cassettes are selling for
>> on ebay it's perfect match!
>>
>> On 6/2/12, Norman van Wijnen <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl> wrote:
>> > Haha,
>> >
>> > I think that Money from Pink Floyd sounds the best on this deck,
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Norman
>> >
>> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
>> > Victor Gabrenas
>> > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2012 18:05
>> > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> > Onderwerp: [naktalk] running joke?
>> >
>> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062&ssPageNa
>> > me=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
>> >
>> >
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From jamenaquintana at yahoo.es  Sun Jun  3 01:03:24 2012
From: jamenaquintana at yahoo.es (jose antonio mena quintana)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 00:03:24 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [naktalk] Rv: Aid for a nak ZX 9
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Hi all, here Jose Antonio from Spain:
>
>
>
>I have just bougth a ZX-9 in ebay, from Switzerland. The seller said that it was in MINT condittion, but after five to teen minutes of playback, 
it starts to play with irregular sound (Mainly change of output level). 
The record mode, despite it was in calibration (with the 400Hz or 15 KHz internal signal) or with an external source, was very irregular too 
(The lever of the recorded signal varies in amplitude. All them show as 
the tape weren´t all the time correctly pressed against the heads, and sometimes the tape were separated of the heads.
>
>
>Afther that, there were problems and the tape were damaged in the supply capstan and supply presure roller ( The tape were winded around the supply presure roller). Each attempt ended in the 
same damage of the tape, each time more quickly.
>
>
>I´ve tried to clean the pressure rollers and the capstans. They had some 
dirt, but not too much. Afther the cleaning they have good aspect. The 
only remarks is that the surface of the supply capstan is polished 
perfecly, but the take up capstan has it more mat.
>
>
>
>No results.
>
>
>I have done more test, starting with very short playback times ( 5 
seconds between the play press button and the stop press button), and I have seen that in each test, at the end, the tape present a loop in 
the window of the cassette for the supply capstan and presure roller. 
Longer the test, bigger the loop. And with the longest test, the tape 
ended winded around the roller. It seems that the tape speed in the supply capstan is largest 
than the speed in the take-up capstan.
>
>
>
>I looked for the ZX 9 service manual in internet, and I have seen the general arrangement of the tape transport. 
>
>
>I see that the take up capstan is directly the shaft of the driven motor 
of the two capstans, and the supply capstan is driven by a belt driven 
by the motor. So, despite how is the belt between the two capstans, the 
speed of the take-up capstan must be equal or biger than the speed in 
the supply capstan.
>
>What do you think about it?
>
>Could be differences  between the surface of the supply capstan and the take-up capstan, or they must have the same appearance?
>
>Could
 be a take up capstan damage?
>
>Must be a take up roller damage?
>
>Will it be easily repaired?
>
>Is it easy to change the belts and pressure rollers?
>
>
>I¨m
 interested in the nak ZX 9, but as the selled remarked me that it was 
in MINT condition, Could be the better to return it and try a refund?
>
>If you want, I can send you photos of the rollers and capstans...
>
>Thanks very much for your attention and aid, and best regards
>
>
>
>Jose Antonio Mena Quintana
>
>
>
>
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From adrian at mechner.net  Sun Jun  3 03:49:11 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:49:11 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
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Some say it might be a scheme... What would the scenario be? 
Anyways Ebay runs a pretty solid buyer protection service.
If someone asking 5 digits for a working collector's item like this 1000ZXL
what about this dud :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hotwheels-BYE-FOCAL-PURPLE-the-REAL-thing-/270839007
811?pt=Diecast_Vehicles&hash=item3f0f434a43

How much of a scheme is this? I would say NONE!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of MD
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:35 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?

It will not...I remember that when Mobile Fidelity first introduced their
cassettes they made a blind test at presentation and most listeners choose
tape over vinyl.

On 6/2/12, pieter rodgers <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> try a Pink Floyd record on a good record player.. I think it will beat 
> any tape any time ;) regards, pieter  > Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:43:03 
> -0400
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?
>> From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>>
>> Considering for how much MFSL's Pink Floyd cassettes are selling for 
>> on ebay it's perfect match!
>>
>> On 6/2/12, Norman van Wijnen <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl> wrote:
>> > Haha,
>> >
>> > I think that Money from Pink Floyd sounds the best on this deck,
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Norman
>> >
>> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] 
>> > Namens Victor Gabrenas
>> > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2012 18:05
>> > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> > Onderwerp: [naktalk] running joke?
>> >
>> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062
>> > &ssPageNa
>> > me=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
>> >
>> >
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From luyingdai at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  3 06:32:21 2012
From: luyingdai at yahoo.com (Ying Dai Lu)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:32:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] RE: RX-505 TIMING & ALIGNMENT AFTER REASSEMBLY
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP263F4C2A29BEBFC46D93513860B0@phx.gbl>
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May I ask Perry and Cheryl what are the precautions  to be careful of when reassemblying the deck so that the ALIGNMENT between the TAPEHEAD and THE CASSETTE TAPE that sits on the cassette cradle will not be out. And if the Head and the cassette tape cannot be alignment then it would be a great diepair for me as I am looking with tremendous hope that this deck will be back to normal as I like it very much.
 
Please guide and advise.
 
Thank you.
 

________________________________
 From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 1:46 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: RX-505 TIMING
  

Thanks Perry. That was the part that I forgot to say.

Also, think of it this way: The "U" shape is cleary made in a "U" shape for
a reason -- to straddle the ridge. If it was meant to fit inside the slotted
area it wouldn't be a "U" shape. When I assembled mine incorrectly I had the
"U" within the slotted partition. If you cannot manually rotate the cam
through all of the positions (off, play, record, pause, etc) then you
definitely have the "U" in the wrong place. If you can't manually do it,
then neither can the machine. You can actually check this before you
reinstall the transport into the machine and possibly save yourself some
work.

Aloha,
Cheryl





-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Perry.nak
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:48 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] RE: RX-505 TIMING

Also pic 3023 shows the two halves of the transport separated. If you flip
over the lower one in the pic, it mates with the upper one. The "U" is
clearly seen on the small wheel, filled with old grease, in the correct
position, so that if flipped over, it will straddle the only straight
section of the inner part of the cam. Let us know if anything else is
unclear.




Sent from my NOOK

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From ivchat at gmail.com  Sun Jun  3 07:45:46 2012
From: ivchat at gmail.com (Ivo Atanasov)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:45:46 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] could be another scam!
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That's the same. He just checks the market.
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu>wrote:

> A friend of mine sent me this.
>
> http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/ele/3050206818.html
>
> Rumor has it, this was just purchased a short time ago and listed for a
> $12,000 profit.
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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Sun Jun  3 12:35:04 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:35:04 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Rv: Aid for a nak ZX 9
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Hi Jose,

 

To me it sounds  like a deck with hardened grease in the mechanism. The
rollers can’t reach the capstans enough and the tape jams.

It is a problem with al the classic mechanism and it needs to be taking
apart and properly cleaned.

(and ofcourse , it can only be donei f you have the gauges for realign the
tape path). 

On the other hand, sooner or later, all the classic mechanisms have the same
problems  so maybe it’s a good idea, if the deck is in a perfect state, to
let someone do the cleaning job.

Maybe a partitial refund?

 

Regarsd Norman

 

Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens jose
antonio mena quintana
Verzonden: zondag 3 juni 2012 1:03
Aan: naktalk at naks.com
Onderwerp: [naktalk] Rv: Aid for a nak ZX 9

 

 

 

Hi all, here Jose Antonio from Spain:

 

I have just bougth a ZX-9 in ebay, from Switzerland. The seller said that it
was in MINT condittion, but after five to teen minutes of playback, it
starts to play with irregular sound (Mainly change of output level). The
record mode, despite it was in calibration (with the 400Hz or 15 KHz
internal signal) or with an external source, was very irregular too (The
lever of the recorded signal varies in amplitude. All them show as the tape
weren´t all the time correctly pressed against the heads, and sometimes the
tape were separated of the heads.

 

Afther that, there were problems and the tape were damaged in the supply
capstan and supply presure roller ( The tape were winded around the supply
presure roller). Each attempt ended in the same damage of the tape, each
time more quickly.

 

I´ve tried to clean the pressure rollers and the capstans. They had some
dirt, but not too much. Afther the cleaning they have good aspect. The only
remarks is that the surface of the supply capstan is polished perfecly, but
the take up capstan has it more mat.

 

No results.

 

I have done more test, starting with very short playback times ( 5 seconds
between the play press button and the stop press button), and I have seen
that in each test, at the end, the tape present a loop in the window of the
cassette for the supply capstan and presure roller. Longer the test, bigger
the loop. And with the longest test, the tape ended winded around the
roller. It seems that the tape speed in the supply capstan is largest than
the speed in the take-up capstan.

 

I looked for the ZX 9 service manual in internet, and I have seen the
general arrangement of the tape transport. 

 

I see that the take up capstan is directly the shaft of the driven motor of
the two capstans, and the supply capstan is driven by a belt driven by the
motor. So, despite how is the belt between the two capstans, the speed of
the take-up capstan must be equal or biger than the speed in the supply
capstan.

What do you think about it?

Could be differences  between the surface of the supply capstan and the
take-up capstan, or they must have the same appearance?

Could be a take up capstan damage?

Must be a take up roller damage?

Will it be easily repaired?

Is it easy to change the belts and pressure rollers?


I¨m interested in the nak ZX 9, but as the selled remarked me that it was in
MINT condition, Could be the better to return it and try a refund?

If you want, I can send you photos of the rollers and capstans...

Thanks very much for your attention and aid, and best regards



Jose Antonio Mena Quintana

 

 

 

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From luis at peromarta.org  Sun Jun  3 14:38:16 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:38:16 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Rv: Aid for a nak ZX 9
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Lo mismo que te dije yo ;)

El rodillo no sube. Un abrazo. 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 03/06/2012, a las 12:35, "Norman van Wijnen" <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl> escribió:

> Hi Jose,
>  
> To me it sounds  like a deck with hardened grease in the mechanism. The rollers can’t reach the capstans enough and the tape jams.
> It is a problem with al the classic mechanism and it needs to be taking apart and properly cleaned.
> (and ofcourse , it can only be donei f you have the gauges for realign the tape path).
> On the other hand, sooner or later, all the classic mechanisms have the same problems  so maybe it’s a good idea, if the deck is in a perfect state, to let someone do the cleaning job.
> Maybe a partitial refund?
>  
> Regarsd Norman
>  
> Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens jose antonio mena quintana
> Verzonden: zondag 3 juni 2012 1:03
> Aan: naktalk at naks.com
> Onderwerp: [naktalk] Rv: Aid for a nak ZX 9
>  
>  
>  
> Hi all, here Jose Antonio from Spain:
>  
> I have just bougth a ZX-9 in ebay, from Switzerland. The seller said that it was in MINT condittion, but after five to teen minutes of playback, it starts to play with irregular sound (Mainly change of output level). The record mode, despite it was in calibration (with the 400Hz or 15 KHz internal signal) or with an external source, was very irregular too (The lever of the recorded signal varies in amplitude. All them show as the tape weren´t all the time correctly pressed against the heads, and sometimes the tape were separated of the heads.
>  
> Afther that, there were problems and the tape were damaged in the supply capstan and supply presure roller ( The tape were winded around the supply presure roller). Each attempt ended in the same damage of the tape, each time more quickly.
>  
> I´ve tried to clean the pressure rollers and the capstans. They had some dirt, but not too much. Afther the cleaning they have good aspect. The only remarks is that the surface of the supply capstan is polished perfecly, but the take up capstan has it more mat.
>  
> No results.
>  
> I have done more test, starting with very short playback times ( 5 seconds between the play press button and the stop press button), and I have seen that in each test, at the end, the tape present a loop in the window of the cassette for the supply capstan and presure roller. Longer the test, bigger the loop. And with the longest test, the tape ended winded around the roller. It seems that the tape speed in the supply capstan is largest than the speed in the take-up capstan.
>  
> I looked for the ZX 9 service manual in internet, and I have seen the general arrangement of the tape transport. 
>  
> I see that the take up capstan is directly the shaft of the driven motor of the two capstans, and the supply capstan is driven by a belt driven by the motor. So, despite how is the belt between the two capstans, the speed of the take-up capstan must be equal or biger than the speed in the supply capstan.
> 
> What do you think about it?
> 
> Could be differences  between the surface of the supply capstan and the take-up capstan, or they must have the same appearance?
> 
> Could be a take up capstan damage?
> 
> Must be a take up roller damage?
> 
> Will it be easily repaired?
> 
> Is it easy to change the belts and pressure rollers?
> 
> 
> I¨m interested in the nak ZX 9, but as the selled remarked me that it was in MINT condition, Could be the better to return it and try a refund?
> 
> If you want, I can send you photos of the rollers and capstans...
> 
> Thanks very much for your attention and aid, and best regards
> 
> 
> 
> Jose Antonio Mena Quintana
>  
>  
>  
> 
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From fergus.cullen at gmail.com  Sun Jun  3 12:49:03 2012
From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:49:03 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Rv: Aid for a nak ZX 9
In-Reply-To: <1338678204.58165.YahooMailNeo@web29002.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <1338674281.89827.YahooMailNeo@web29018.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
	<260FEC33-4076-4AA0-AF98-3E44F78A9F60@yahoo.com>
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If it were me I'd return it and look for another one.

Fergus


On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 12:03 AM, jose antonio mena quintana <
jamenaquintana at yahoo.es> wrote:

>
>
> Hi all, here Jose Antonio from Spain:
>
> I have just bougth a ZX-9 in ebay, from Switzerland. The seller said that
> it was in MINT condittion, but after five to teen minutes of playback, it
> starts to play with irregular sound (Mainly change of output level). The
> record mode, despite it was in calibration (with the 400Hz or 15 KHz
> internal signal) or with an external source, was very irregular too (The
> lever of the recorded signal varies in amplitude. All them show as the tape
> weren´t all the time correctly pressed against the heads, and sometimes the
> tape were separated of the heads.
>
> Afther that, there were problems and the tape were damaged in the supply
> capstan and supply presure roller ( The tape were winded around the supply
> presure roller). Each attempt ended in the same damage of the tape, each
> time more quickly.
>
> I´ve tried to clean the pressure rollers and the capstans. They had some
> dirt, but not too much. Afther the cleaning they have good aspect. The only
> remarks is that the surface of the supply capstan is polished perfecly, but
> the take up capstan has it more mat.
>
> No results.
>
> I have done more test, starting with very short playback times ( 5 seconds
> between the play press button and the stop press button), and I have seen
> that in each test, at the end, the tape present a loop in the window of the
> cassette for the supply capstan and presure roller. Longer the test, bigger
> the loop. And with the longest test, the tape ended winded around the
> roller. It seems that the tape speed in the supply capstan is largest than
> the speed in the take-up capstan.
>
> I looked for the ZX 9 service manual in internet, and I have seen the
> general arrangement of the tape transport.
>
> I see that the take up capstan is directly the shaft of the driven motor
> of the two capstans, and the supply capstan is driven by a belt driven by
> the motor. So, despite how is the belt between the two capstans, the speed
> of the take-up capstan must be equal or biger than the speed in the supply
> capstan.
>
> What do you think about it?
>
> Could be differences  between the surface of the supply capstan and the
> take-up capstan, or they must have the same appearance?
>
> Could be a take up capstan damage?
>
> Must be a take up roller damage?
>
> Will it be easily repaired?
>
> Is it easy to change the belts and pressure rollers?
>
>
> I¨m interested in the nak ZX 9, but as the selled remarked me that it was
> in MINT condition, Could be the better to return it and try a refund?
>
> If you want, I can send you photos of the rollers and capstans...
>
> Thanks very much for your attention and aid, and best regards
>
>
>
> Jose Antonio Mena Quintana
>
>
>
>
>
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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Sun Jun  3 17:56:15 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:56:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Rv: Aid for a nak ZX 9
In-Reply-To: <CACeid-SyZEa2dyZ7UeMFk1LS83A4ba54F0_PDbEVRYf6i+9LYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1338674281.89827.YahooMailNeo@web29018.mail.ird.yahoo.com>,
	<260FEC33-4076-4AA0-AF98-3E44F78A9F60@yahoo.com>,
	<1338678204.58165.YahooMailNeo@web29002.mail.ird.yahoo.com>,
	<CACeid-SyZEa2dyZ7UeMFk1LS83A4ba54F0_PDbEVRYf6i+9LYg@mail.gmail.com>
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and to think that I was going to buy that exact tape deck... thank god I didn´t and got one cheaper and in nearly mint condition.. I would also try and rerturn it.. mint should be mint and not crap... regards,pieter
 Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:49:03 +0100
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rv: Aid for a nak ZX 9
From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com
To: jamenaquintana at yahoo.es; naktalk at naks.com
CC: 

If it were me I'd return it and look for another one.
Fergus

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 12:03 AM, jose antonio mena quintana <jamenaquintana at yahoo.es> wrote:





Hi all, here Jose Antonio from Spain:

I
 have just bougth a ZX-9 in ebay, from Switzerland. The seller said that
 it was in MINT condittion, but after five to teen minutes of playback, 
it starts to play with irregular sound (Mainly change of output level). 
The record mode, despite it was in calibration (with the 400Hz or 15 KHz
 internal signal) or with an external source, was very irregular too 
(The lever of the recorded signal varies in amplitude. All them show as 
the tape weren´t all the time correctly pressed against the
 heads, and sometimes the tape were separated of the heads.
Afther
 that, there were problems and the tape were
 damaged in the supply capstan and supply presure roller ( The tape were
 winded around the supply presure roller). Each attempt ended in the 
same damage of the tape, each time more quickly.
I´ve
 tried to clean the pressure rollers and the capstans. They had some 
dirt, but not too much. Afther the cleaning they have good aspect. The 
only remarks is that the surface of the supply capstan is polished 
perfecly, but the take up capstan has it more mat.

No results.
I
 have done more test, starting with very short playback times ( 5 
seconds between the play press button and the stop press button), and
 I have seen that in each test, at the end, the tape present a loop in 
the window of the cassette for the supply capstan and presure roller. 
Longer the test, bigger the loop. And with the longest test, the tape 
ended winded around the
 roller. It seems that the tape speed in the supply capstan is largest 
than the speed in the take-up capstan.

I looked for the ZX 9 service manual in internet, and I have seen the general arrangement of the tape transport. 
I
 see that the take up capstan is directly the shaft of the driven motor 
of the two capstans, and the supply capstan is driven by a belt driven 
by the motor. So, despite how is the belt between the two capstans, the 
speed of the take-up capstan must be equal or biger than the speed in 
the supply capstan.

What do you think about it?

Could be differences  between the surface of the supply capstan and the take-up capstan, or they must have the same appearance?

Could
 be a take up capstan damage?

Must be a take up roller damage?

Will it be easily repaired?

Is it easy to change the belts and pressure rollers?


I¨m
 interested in the nak ZX 9, but as the selled remarked me that it was 
in MINT condition, Could be the better to return it and try a refund?

If you want, I can send you photos of the rollers and capstans...

Thanks very much for your attention and aid, and best regards




Jose Antonio Mena Quintana


            

    
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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Sun Jun  3 18:02:08 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 18:02:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] running joke?
In-Reply-To: <1338671628.65770.YahooMailRC@web184509.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <000b01cd4010$4ce394d0$e6aabe70$@math.utah.edu>,
	<000f01cd409e$07f59d80$17e0d880$@nl>,
	<CAEo=m-WDkh=AVEWQTKE17R2z_Nw7jPcc1Na13OrNk9ocPoMMrQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<BAY156-W30FCC8FAE4983DFA7BB78EE3090@phx.gbl>,
	<CAEo=m-UYEeeExxG93oRZEWXNYTgg9LQj91X=hQTDGNYwrg_suA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<1338671628.65770.YahooMailRC@web184509.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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okay.. so that shut me up...LOL pieter
 Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:13:48 -0700
From: lenaw at flash.net
Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?
To: naktalk at naks.com

It was performed in the University of Miami among LP, Cassette and CD versions of DSOTM (all by MoFi). The cassette ends up to be the preferred media in the end of this blind Test.





From: MD <angel9esoteric at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sat, June 2, 2012 2:47:47 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] running joke?

It will not...I remember that when Mobile Fidelity first introduced
their cassettes they made a blind test at presentation and most
listeners choose tape over vinyl.

On 6/2/12, pieter rodgers <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> try a Pink Floyd record on a good record player.. I think it will beat any
> tape any time ;) regards, pieter
>  > Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:43:03 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] running
 joke?
>> From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>>
>> Considering for how much MFSL's Pink Floyd cassettes are selling for
>> on ebay it's perfect match!
>>
>> On 6/2/12, Norman van Wijnen <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl> wrote:
>> > Haha,
>> >
>> > I think that Money from Pink Floyd sounds the best on this deck,
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Norman
>> >
>> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
>> > Victor Gabrenas
>> > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2012 18:05
>> > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> > Onderwerp: [naktalk] running joke?
>> >
>> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290721559062&ssPageNa
>> > me=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
>> >
>> >
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Sun Jun  3 20:53:45 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 08:53:45 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] RE: RX-505 TIMING & ALIGNMENT AFTER REASSEMBLY
In-Reply-To: <1338697941.34356.YahooMailNeo@web111721.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <24f531h4xxb55tnaow7x17cm.1338378485635@email.android.com><BLU0-SMTP263F4C2A29BEBFC46D93513860B0@phx.gbl>
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The heads will be in the same alignment to the tape as there were before
transport disassembly if you did not mess with them while it was apart.
 
The correct cam and cam follower (the "U") mating are the key to proper
mechanical function of the transport -- and that is the easiest mistake to
make.
 
So, if you didn't mess with the head adjustments while the transport was
apart, then I would just put it back together (ensuring proper cam
alilgnment) and see how it sounds before messing with the heads.
 
Without special tools and proper knowledge the only head adjustments you
should make require that the transport be installed and working properly.
 
Aloha,
Cheryl
 

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Ying Dai Lu
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 6:32 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: RX-505 TIMING & ALIGNMENT AFTER REASSEMBLY


May I ask Perry and Cheryl what are the precautions  to be careful of when
reassemblying the deck so that the ALIGNMENT between the TAPEHEAD and THE
CASSETTE TAPE that sits on the cassette cradle will not be out. And if the
Head and the cassette tape cannot be alignment then it would be a great
diepair for me as I am looking with tremendous hope that this deck will be
back to normal as I like it very much.
 
Please guide and advise.
 
Thank you.

From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 1:46 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: RX-505 TIMING



Thanks Perry. That was the part that I forgot to say.

Also, think of it this way: The "U" shape is cleary made in a "U" shape for
a reason -- to straddle the ridge. If it was meant to fit inside the slotted
area it wouldn't be a "U" shape. When I assembled mine incorrectly I had the
"U" within the slotted partition. If you cannot manually rotate the cam
through all of the positions (off, play, record, pause, etc) then you
definitely have the "U" in the wrong place. If you can't manually do it,
then neither can the machine. You can actually check this before you
reinstall the transport into the machine and possibly save yourself some
work.

Aloha,
Cheryl





-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Perry.nak
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:48 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] RE: RX-505 TIMING

Also pic 3023 shows the two halves of the transport separated. If you flip
over the lower one in the pic, it mates with the upper one. The "U" is
clearly seen on the small wheel, filled with old grease, in the correct
position, so that if flipped over, it will straddle the only straight
section of the inner part of the cam. Let us know if anything else is
unclear.




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From luyingdai at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  4 11:22:15 2012
From: luyingdai at yahoo.com (Ying Dai Lu)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 02:22:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Service Manual to prepare for the worst !
Message-ID: <1338801735.43757.YahooMailNeo@web111722.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Has anyone the RX505 Service Manual to share.
 
Would prefer to have the Non-PDF version for selected page printability for convenience.
 
Would really appreciate if someone can extend a copy.
 
We had a hard time trying to put back the 2 halves. Maybe we got it right this time after a half a day.
 
The 2 fuses were soldered in.
 
Hope nothing short-ciruit as the 2nd fuse shorted for some inexplicabke reason while the 1st one shorted because a wire came detached.
 
We have to keep our fingers crossed the next round when we switch on.
 
So really would appreciate an extension of the Service Manual.
 
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From kmashlan at shaw.ca  Mon Jun  4 12:58:22 2012
From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 22:58:22 +1200
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Service Manual to prepare for the worst !
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Go to

 

http://www.naks.com/wiki

 

Then the official documents - it is there for download.

 

Ken

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Ying Dai Lu
Sent: Monday, 4 June 2012 9:22 p.m.
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Service Manual to prepare for the worst !

 

Has anyone the RX505 Service Manual to share.

 

Would prefer to have the Non-PDF version for selected page printability for
convenience.

 

Would really appreciate if someone can extend a copy.

 

We had a hard time trying to put back the 2 halves. Maybe we got it right
this time after a half a day.

 

The 2 fuses were soldered in.

 

Hope nothing short-ciruit as the 2nd fuse shorted for some inexplicabke
reason while the 1st one shorted because a wire came detached.

 

We have to keep our fingers crossed the next round when we switch on.

 

So really would appreciate an extension of the Service Manual.

 

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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Mon Jun  4 13:40:08 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:40:08 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Zx-9
Message-ID: <1628387162-1338810012-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1863212384-@b16.c16.bise6.blackberry>

The deck needs a new capstan belt. When they are worn and stretched, the supply capstan has varying speed and does not provide the tension between the capstans required as the tape just pulls the capstan at whatever speed it is running at. With a new belt, it will run approx 0.2% slower and the tape will stay straight. If the seller stated mint condition and perfect operating condition then you may have cause to return. If just mint condition, that is cosmetics only. To expect a 25-30 year old tape deck, not serviced, to operate per specifications is rather unreasonable. Once restored, it is a great deck and would provide many years of trouble free operation. Luis Peramarta is in Spain and services decks like the ZX-9. Search the web for his website.
Perry Esposito - From my phone


From djlec at pacbell.net  Mon Jun  4 15:58:56 2012
From: djlec at pacbell.net (David LeClaire)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 06:58:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Question - Nak BX-300 Bias
Message-ID: <1338818336.66726.YahooMailRC@web82906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have sent my Nakamichi BX-300 to Willy Hermann Services for its first service. 
Had the unit in storage for many years since I am the original owner and I will 
be recording LP's.

Had an intial thought to have Willy set the Bias for a particular type of Tape 
but I am now having second thoughts due to supply. I am forced to buy Tapes from 
eBay so I have this question;

Would it be better to send Willy different types of Tapes and have him tell me 
the best setting on the Bias Dial?

These are the Tapes that seem to appear on eBay regularly and I have a small 
group of them,

Type 1 - TDK D type.

Type II's - TDK SA, TDK SA-X, Maxell XLII, and Maxell XLII-S

Type IV - Fuji FR and Sony SR

Thanks in advance for any advice here since I have been far removed from 
Cassettes and it was an eye opener to see the supply now,


David
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From adrian at mechner.net  Mon Jun  4 18:29:35 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 09:29:35 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Question - Nak BX-300 Bias
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And you ask the distinguished Nak community because you don't trust Willy?

I f I were you, I would let Willy do his job; you might be surprised how
good he is in doing that.

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of David LeClaire
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:59 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Question - Nak BX-300 Bias

 

I have sent my Nakamichi BX-300 to Willy Hermann Services for its first
service. Had the unit in storage for many years since I am the original
owner and I will be recording LP's.

 

Had an intial thought to have Willy set the Bias for a particular type of
Tape but I am now having second thoughts due to supply. I am forced to buy
Tapes from eBay so I have this question;

 

Would it be better to send Willy different types of Tapes and have him tell
me the best setting on the Bias Dial?

 

These are the Tapes that seem to appear on eBay regularly and I have a small
group of them,

 

Type 1 - TDK D type.

 

Type II's - TDK SA, TDK SA-X, Maxell XLII, and Maxell XLII-S

 

Type IV - Fuji FR and Sony SR

 

Thanks in advance for any advice here since I have been far removed from
Cassettes and it was an eye opener to see the supply now,

 

 

David

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From emberphoto at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  4 20:18:16 2012
From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:18:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Question - Nak BX-300 Bias
In-Reply-To: <1338818336.66726.YahooMailRC@web82906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1338818336.66726.YahooMailRC@web82906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT123-W298F5D364CAD6FB476F20ADE0F0@phx.gbl>


David raises an excellent point, which touches on the very factors that can give cassette recording a bad name -- if they are not optimized -- and, especially when Dolby NR is employed, especially (again!) if one is using Dolby-C. 
Naturally, as Willy will be working on this deck, he is the best one to answer this, but speaking as a long-time multi-Nak and other cassette decks owner/user, like so many on this forum, these are the lessons we learn in optimizing cassette performance, so that what comes off the tape corresponds as close to exactly to what is heard from the input. Beyond that is the sometimes frustrating goal of having tapes from Deck A play sweetly on Decks B, C, D....
David is fortunate in that the BX-300 has a Bias Tune control with a center detent. Thus, theoretically, at least, three types of tape should  be capable of giving their optimal performance, given proper settings of EQ (120 or 70 u-sec) and Dolby encode/decode switches. At least that's how these machines came out of Nakamichi, which specified their EX/SX/ZX tapes and usually gave acceptable substitutes in the owner's manuals whose bias requirements and levels were identical or at least close enough to enable the deck to meet or exceed its specs in Rec/PB. And the detent in the Bias knob provides the repeatability of being able to return to these "standard" settings, after using an "alternate" tape type. 
A credentialed Nakamichi technician such as Willy is going to have the correct set-up and alignment tapes to ensure that proper bias is not undermined by improper levels that "throw off" the Dolby processes and lead to that bad rap on Dolby (sounds muddy!) and cassettes in general.
Once such internal (i.e., those not controllable by the Bias knob on the front panel of the BX-300) levels are set, as well as standard bias settings for the "preferred" tapes in each category, it will become a matter of what settings of the bias knob (i.e., 11 o'clock, 3 o'clock) will optimize for the "alternate" tape brand/types -- the requirement being that -- even if bias can be optimized for them -- their levels must be close enough that they won't "flummox" the Dolby processes.
Sorry for throwing a lot of words at this, but hopefully they will be useful to those facing the same "availability" issues as David.
With that, I respectfully defer to Willy ;-)
Happy recording -- and listening!
Steve



Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 06:58:56 -0700
From: djlec at pacbell.net
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Question - Nak BX-300 Bias

I have sent my Nakamichi BX-300 to Willy Hermann Services for its first service. Had the unit in storage for many years since I am the original owner and I will be recording LP's.
 
Had an intial thought to have Willy set the Bias for a particular type of Tape but I am now having second thoughts due to supply. I am forced to buy Tapes from eBay so I have this question;
 
Would it be better to send Willy different types of Tapes and have him tell me the best setting on the Bias Dial?
 
These are the Tapes that seem to appear on eBay regularly and I have a small group of them,
 
Type 1 - TDK D type.
 
Type II's - TDK SA, TDK SA-X, Maxell XLII, and Maxell XLII-S
 
Type IV - Fuji FR and Sony SR
 
Thanks in advance for any advice here since I have been far removed from Cassettes and it was an eye opener to see the supply now,
 
 
David
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From djlec at pacbell.net  Mon Jun  4 20:23:17 2012
From: djlec at pacbell.net (David LeClaire)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:23:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Question - Nak BX-300 Bias
Message-ID: <1338834197.27727.YahooMailRC@web82903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Adrian,

You misunderstood my post. 

Of course I trust Willy otherwise I would not have sent it to him.

My question was should I send him a batch of Tapes that I plan to use since I do 
not understand the point of having it Biased for one type of tape.

Or does this matter?

I am being informed on another Forum to have the BX-300 set up for one type of 
Tape but I am leery of this due to the short supply.


David


And you ask the distinguished Nak community because you don't trust Willy?

I f I were you, I would let Willy do his job; you might be surprised how
good he is in doing that.

Adrian

 
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of David LeClaire
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:59 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Question - Nak BX-300 Bias



I have sent my Nakamichi BX-300 to Willy Hermann Services for its first service. 
Had the unit in storage for many years since I am the original owner and I will 
be recording LP's.

Had an intial thought to have Willy set the Bias for a particular type of Tape 
but I am now having second thoughts due to supply. I am forced to buy Tapes from 
eBay so I have this question;

Would it be better to send Willy different types of Tapes and have him tell me 
the best setting on the Bias Dial?

These are the Tapes that seem to appear on eBay regularly and I have a small 
group of them,

Type 1 - TDK D type.

Type II's - TDK SA, TDK SA-X, Maxell XLII, and Maxell XLII-S

Type IV - Fuji FR and Sony SR

Thanks in advance for any advice here since I have been far removed from 
Cassettes and it was an eye opener to see the supply now,

David
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From djlec at pacbell.net  Mon Jun  4 20:41:10 2012
From: djlec at pacbell.net (David LeClaire)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:41:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Question - Nak BX-300 Bias
In-Reply-To: <1338834197.27727.YahooMailRC@web82903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1338834197.27727.YahooMailRC@web82903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1338835270.5383.YahooMailRC@web82906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Adrian,


You misunderstood my post. 

Of course I trust Willy otherwise I would not have sent it to him.

My question was should I send him a batch of Tapes that I plan to use since I do 
not understand the point of having it Biased for one type of tape.

Or does this matter?

I am being informed on another Forum to have the BX-300 set up for one type of 
Tape but I am leery of this due to the short supply.


David


And you ask the distinguished Nak community because you don't trust Willy?

I f I were you, I would let Willy do his job; you might be surprised how
good he is in doing that.

Adrian

 
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of David LeClaire
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:59 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Question - Nak BX-300 Bias



I have sent my Nakamichi BX-300 to Willy Hermann Services for its first service. 
Had the unit in storage for many years since I am the original owner and I will 
be recording LP's.

Had an intial thought to have Willy set the Bias for a particular type of Tape 
but I am now having second thoughts due to supply. I am forced to buy Tapes from 
eBay so I have this question;

Would it be better to send Willy different types of Tapes and have him tell me 
the best setting on the Bias Dial?

These are the Tapes that seem to appear on eBay regularly and I have a small 
group of them,

Type 1 - TDK D type.

Type II's - TDK SA, TDK SA-X, Maxell XLII, and Maxell XLII-S

Type IV - Fuji FR and Sony SR

Thanks in advance for any advice here since I have been far removed from 
Cassettes and it was an eye opener to see the supply now,

David
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Mon Jun  4 22:30:09 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:30:09 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Question - Nak BX-300 Bias
In-Reply-To: <SNT123-W298F5D364CAD6FB476F20ADE0F0@phx.gbl>
References: <1338818336.66726.YahooMailRC@web82906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT123-W298F5D364CAD6FB476F20ADE0F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAM9V8MddOvNL-BpVrHBii-i1Zk1=BDTZhu5QPJ5Vx81PGkt44Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Steve for his words of wisdom and detail.  In general I like to
have one tape of each type from a client to optimize the decks record and
bias levels especially if that client has a case of tapes he will use for
recording.  And Steve is correct - it is essential that the play levels as
well as all the mechanical settings have been done accurately for a
baseline for all other settings.  I can then set up the deck for those
specific tapes at the detent point on the bias pot.  If the owner wants to
use a different tape he can then use the adjuster to optimize for it.

The bias adjust knob on several of the machines is extremely useful and is
easily used by anyone - at least anyone with an FM radio still in his
system.  You can generate quasi white noise by detuning the radio and
taking it out of mute.  Record that at 15dB down or so and as you switch
back and forth from source to tape you will be able to hear the tape
position change as you turn the bias control.  Simply shoot for the least
difference between source and tape for the correct bias setting.  Any of
you who also have a T-100 or other meter should try this, then measure the
results with metering.  You'll be amazed at how close you get just by using
your ear.

Happy listening.

Willy

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Steve Ember <emberphoto at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  David raises an excellent point, which touches on the very factors that
> can give cassette recording a bad name -- if they are not optimized -- and,
> especially when Dolby NR is employed, especially (again!) if one is using
> Dolby-C.
>
> Naturally, as Willy will be working on this deck, he is the *best* one to
> answer this, but speaking as a long-time multi-Nak and other cassette decks
> owner/user, like so many on this forum, these are the lessons we learn in
> optimizing cassette performance, so that what comes off the tape
> corresponds as close to exactly to what is heard from the input. Beyond
> that is the sometimes frustrating goal of having tapes from Deck A play
> sweetly on Decks B, C, D....
>
> David is fortunate in that the BX-300 has a Bias Tune control with a
> center detent. Thus, theoretically, at least, three types of tape *should*
> be capable of giving their optimal performance, given proper settings of EQ
> (120 or 70 u-sec) and Dolby encode/decode switches. At least that's how
> these machines came out of Nakamichi, which specified their EX/SX/ZX tapes
> and usually gave acceptable substitutes in the owner's manuals whose bias
> requirements *and* levels were identical or at least close enough to
> enable the deck to meet or exceed its specs in Rec/PB. And the detent in
> the Bias knob provides the repeatability of being able to return to these
> "standard" settings, after using an "alternate" tape type.
>
> A credentialed Nakamichi technician such as Willy is going to have the
> correct set-up and alignment tapes to ensure that proper bias is not
> undermined by improper levels that "throw off" the Dolby processes and lead
> to that bad rap on Dolby (sounds muddy!) and cassettes in general.
>
> Once such internal (i.e., those not controllable by the Bias knob on the
> front panel of the BX-300) levels are set, as well as standard bias
> settings for the "preferred" tapes in each category, it will become a
> matter of what settings of the bias knob (i.e., 11 o'clock, 3 o'clock) will
> optimize for the "alternate" tape brand/types -- the requirement being that
> -- even if bias can be optimized for them -- their *levels* must be close
> enough that they won't "flummox" the Dolby processes.
>
> Sorry for throwing a lot of words at this, but hopefully they will be
> useful to those facing the same "availability" issues as David.
>
> With that, I respectfully defer to Willy ;-)
>
> Happy recording -- and listening!
>
> Steve
>
> <emberphoto at hotmail.com>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 06:58:56 -0700
> From: djlec at pacbell.net
>
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Question - Nak BX-300 Bias
>
> I have sent my Nakamichi BX-300 to Willy Hermann Services for its first
> service. Had the unit in storage for many years since I am the original
> owner and I will be recording LP's.
>
> Had an intial thought to have Willy set the Bias for a particular type of
> Tape but I am now having second thoughts due to supply. I am forced to buy
> Tapes from eBay so I have this question;
>
> Would it be better to send Willy different types of Tapes and have him
> tell me the best setting on the Bias Dial?
>
> These are the Tapes that seem to appear on eBay regularly and I have a
> small group of them,
>
> Type 1 - TDK D type.
>
> Type II's - TDK SA, TDK SA-X, Maxell XLII, and Maxell XLII-S
>
> Type IV - Fuji FR and Sony SR
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice here since I have been far removed from
> Cassettes and it was an eye opener to see the supply now,
>
>
> David
>
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From adrian at mechner.net  Mon Jun  4 22:53:04 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:53:04 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Question - Nak BX-300 Bias
In-Reply-To: <1338834197.27727.YahooMailRC@web82903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1338834197.27727.YahooMailRC@web82903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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David, 

trust me, I perfectly understood your question; my reply was a little bit
(or more?) sarcastic.

I had recently a 680ZX rebuilt by Willy and let me tell you this: It never
crossed my mind to ask him to do what you intend to and  asked here!

First, and I'm only speaking about myself now, if I were Willy and each
customer would sent in a batch of tapes I would probably go nuts very soon.
Second, let's roll time a little back, to the point where tape selection was
not as narrow as today. Do you really believe that these decks are built to
only perform on a limited selection of tapes? If so, that would make them
very bad machines. I can agree that measurable peak performance is achieved
on select tapes, but that would not be audible.

Third, and this is something I intended to share a long time ago, there is a
fine line between what you do with such a deck and what you expect the deck
to do. The fine line needs to be drown where the audible ends and only
sophisticated gear has access to determine what performance a machine is
capable of. Your question is more likely in the domain where your ears are
beaten; if you can hear the difference which initiated this topic in the
first place, two things can happen: 1. you have fantastic ears, above
average by %80 or : 2. the deck is really bad.

I can comprehend that some people on this planet are still stuck in the past
(take a look into the age of Nak owners), some had the status to own such as
they were current and others fulfill their dreams of the legend in recent
years. There is a lot of debate about value, price, condition and "must
have" upgrades in order to justify all of the above to be on the higher end.


If the owner of such would be a normal person (but what is normal these
days?), he/she would use the deck for listening, eventually recording,
transferring to a less time sensitive media existent recordings or collect
them. While for the tasks involving the actual usage, a mint functional
condition is all it takes, for the collector there are more things to be
expected: It has to be in the original factory condition, it has to be mint
in terms of appearance and has to perform as close to the manufacturer's
specifications as possible. The collector if genuine will rather give up 10%
in performance over a manipulated unit, which might even perform better.
This is a valid statement in the collector's world of any thinkable item.
Look into the vintage car market for example: A mint restored vintage model
which involves non original parts will sell for a lot (and I mean al lot,
like more than half)  less of what a 100% original exemplar of the same
model but in a less mint condition will sell.

Keep in mind that 100% genuine units fully functional are getting fewer and
fewer each day; this will make the price of the very few ones left ,rise as
hell.

Back to you.  A 300 is for sure not a collectible item and I understand that
you want it performing like day one; this is not related in any way to the
tapes which are available today.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do with yours,

Adrian

 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of David LeClaire
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 11:23 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Question - Nak BX-300 Bias

 

Adrian,

 

You misunderstood my post. 

 

Of course I trust Willy otherwise I would not have sent it to him.

 

My question was should I send him a batch of Tapes that I plan to use since
I do not understand the point of having it Biased for one type of tape.

 

Or does this matter?

 

I am being informed on another Forum to have the BX-300 set up for one type
of Tape but I am leery of this due to the short supply.

 

 

David

 

 

And you ask the distinguished Nak community because you don't trust Willy?

I f I were you, I would let Willy do his job; you might be surprised how
good he is in doing that.

Adrian

 
From:  <http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> naktalk-bounces at
naks.com [mailto: <http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk>
naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of David LeClaire
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:59 AM
To:  <http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Question - Nak BX-300 Bias



I have sent my Nakamichi BX-300 to Willy Hermann Services for its first
service. Had the unit in storage for many years since I am the original
owner and I will be recording LP's.

Had an intial thought to have Willy set the Bias for a particular type of
Tape but I am now having second thoughts due to supply. I am forced to buy
Tapes from eBay so I have this question;

Would it be better to send Willy different types of Tapes and have him tell
me the best setting on the Bias Dial?

These are the Tapes that seem to appear on eBay regularly and I have a small
group of them,

Type 1 - TDK D type.

Type II's - TDK SA, TDK SA-X, Maxell XLII, and Maxell XLII-S

Type IV - Fuji FR and Sony SR

Thanks in advance for any advice here since I have been far removed from
Cassettes and it was an eye opener to see the supply now,

David

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From djlec at pacbell.net  Tue Jun  5 02:38:16 2012
From: djlec at pacbell.net (David LeClaire)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:38:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Question - Nak BX-300 Bias
Message-ID: <1338856696.88065.YahooMailRC@web82906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Steve, 

I cannot thank you enough for your fine writing and you nailed it. I am a set it 
and forget it type of guy. All I wanted for Willy to do if possible is to tell 
me what position the Bias knob should be for each type of Tape. 


Adrian,

My intent is not to drive Willy nuts by sending him a stash of my Tapes. My 
intent was to send 4 Tapes max and my initial question was meant to ask if this 
made sense. My reasoning was if I am having it serviced then why not now. 


Your prose indicated the collectable aspect of the Deck and here is where you 
are missing the whole story. 


I have some LP's that exceed the value of your 680ZX. If I am going to spend my 
time to record them then I desire to make sure that I am doing it right. I have 
been out of the Cassette game a very long time.

Willy can attest that I had second thoughts about sending the BX-300 to him due 
to the value of the unit. However, it is my BX-300 that I have owned since new 
so why not get it serviced to make sure I do it right?

It is not about Output in my case but Input due to what I will eventually be 
recording.

Many thanks for all of your comments,


David

Steve stated:

David raises an excellent point, which touches on the very factors that can give 
cassette recording a bad name -- if they are not optimized -- and, especially 
when Dolby NR is employed, especially (again!) if one is using Dolby-C. 



David is fortunate in that the BX-300 has a Bias Tune control with a center 
detent. Thus, theoretically, at least, three types of tape should  be capable of 
giving their optimal performance, given proper settings of EQ (120 or 70 u-sec) 
and Dolby encode/decode switches. At least that's how these machines came out of 
Nakamichi, which specified their EX/SX/ZX tapes and usually gave acceptable 
substitutes in the owner's manuals whose bias requirements and levels were 
identical or at least close enough to enable the deck to meet or exceed its 
specs in Rec/PB. And the detent in the Bias knob provides the repeatability of 
being able to return to these "standard" settings, after using an "alternate" 
tape type. 



Once such internal (i.e., those not controllable by the Bias knob on the front 
panel of the BX-300) levels are set, as well as standard bias settings for the 
"preferred" tapes in each category, it will become a matter of what settings of 
the bias knob (i.e., 11 o'clock, 3 o'clock) will optimize for the "alternate" 
tape brand/types -- the requirement being that -- even if bias can be optimized 
for them -- their levels must be close enough that they won't "flummox" the 
Dolby processes.


Willy stated:

I can then set up the deck for those specific tapes at the detent point on the 
bias pot.  If the owner wants to
use a different tape he can then use the adjuster to optimize for it.

The bias adjust knob on several of the machines is extremely useful and is 
easily used by anyone - at least anyone with an FM radio still in his system.

Adrian stated:

I had recently a 680ZX rebuilt by Willy and let me tell you this: It never 
crossed my mind to ask him to do what you intend to and  asked here!

First, and I'm only speaking about myself now, if I were Willy and each customer 
would sent in a batch of tapes I would probably go nuts very soon.

Back to you.  A 300 is for sure not a collectible item and I understand that you 
want it performing like day one; this is not related in any way to the tapes 
which are available today.
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From mikemaxcel at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 13:02:21 2012
From: mikemaxcel at gmail.com (Mikemaxcel)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:02:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] enhanced Nak 700ZXL_1000ZXL Playback Board
Message-ID: <CAE8BBeGd--BQS44wtWsC6w8d8BGw=ANbidNMetX-yRfp=e+u3g@mail.gmail.com>

Eventually the ·Nak 700ZXL_1000ZXL Playback Board· is
ready.The board is made from double-sided 70um(2oz) FR-4 board(2mm) with
solder masks, PTH,components ID and components side ground etc.Some
component parts  are relocated for better positioning.

Though price has not been finalized yet but would be resonable.10 pieces
would be available  early July in first come first serve basic.
Those who interested please email me again at
Mikemaxcel at gmail.com<Mikemaxcel at gmail.com>
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From mikemaxcel at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 13:37:02 2012
From: mikemaxcel at gmail.com (Mikemaxcel)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:37:02 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: enhanced Nak 700ZXL_1000ZXL Playback Board
Message-ID: <CAE8BBeE2N+M0J9r3gSUEWp-Qgxu1T3=zHq=bjJzOunv2y-ur1A@mail.gmail.com>

Phots of the PCB boards couls be viewed at the following link:

http://my.imageshack.us/v_images.php
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From: mikemaxcel at gmail.com (Mikemaxcel)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:48:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: enhanced Nak 700ZXL_1000ZXL Playback Board
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References: <CAE8BBeE2N+M0J9r3gSUEWp-Qgxu1T3=zHq=bjJzOunv2y-ur1A@mail.gmail.com>
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All the J0XX components-extra wire connections have been elimilated.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Mikemaxcel <mikemaxcel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Phots of the PCB boards couls be viewed at the following link:
>
> http://my.imageshack.us/v_images.php
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Tue Jun  5 14:10:00 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 08:10:00 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Bias settings
Message-ID: <pfck9ab51i1iamxp5bovk8bg.1338898200132@email.android.com>

I won't speak for Willy, but I can state that I always request 
owners to send me the tapes they will primarily use, for exactly the reasons the OP asked for!
It makes my job easier, and gives the customer better results for no extra effort. 
It takes 10 seconds to note the best bias setting for each tape. I do it all the time, and the results ARE audible and significant, and many TypeIIs will fall out of the bias tune range of 300. 
So it may be the best cal is where no tape is at center detent, in order to cover all the tapes.  

Most Type I and IV will be in the knobs range.
THAT is the service that he is wanting to pay for, NOT just a fix to spec request.

Once the deck is restored, open and hooked up, the adjustments are cake to make. He may find that setting levels to the best compromise above and below the optimum for a single tape is also required, as levels affect NR the most.


Sent from my NOOK



From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  5 14:30:08 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (bg3009 at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 22:30:08 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] enhanced Nak 700ZXL_1000ZXL Playback Board
In-Reply-To: <CAE8BBeGd--BQS44wtWsC6w8d8BGw=ANbidNMetX-yRfp=e+u3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8BBeGd--BQS44wtWsC6w8d8BGw=ANbidNMetX-yRfp=e+u3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB0E22A9-0FB8-4D9B-B7E9-18C192E14507@yahoo.com>

This is great news. Please keep us updated so that I can place orders. I await to chart out the performance of this board. Great effort! 

Sent from Bala's iPad

On 05/06/2012, at 9:02 PM, Mikemaxcel <mikemaxcel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Eventually the ·Nak 700ZXL_1000ZXL Playback Board· is
> ready.The board is made from double-sided 70um(2oz) FR-4 board(2mm) with solder masks, PTH,components ID and components side ground etc.Some component parts  are relocated for better positioning.
> 
> Though price has not been finalized yet but would be resonable.10 pieces would be available  early July in first come first serve basic.
> Those who interested please email me again at Mikemaxcel at gmail.com
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
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From mikemaxcel at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 17:26:26 2012
From: mikemaxcel at gmail.com (Mikemaxcel)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:26:26 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: enhanced Nak 700ZXL_1000ZXL Playback Board
Message-ID: <CAE8BBeHFXOgCE9QAbyy0f5TytKatd3xY+R_xQBwG6Ke1-Eyyfg@mail.gmail.com>

This is the components side.
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From mikemaxcel at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 17:27:43 2012
From: mikemaxcel at gmail.com (Mikemaxcel)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:27:43 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: enhanced Nak 700ZXL_1000ZXL Playback Board
In-Reply-To: <CAE8BBeHFXOgCE9QAbyy0f5TytKatd3xY+R_xQBwG6Ke1-Eyyfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8BBeHFXOgCE9QAbyy0f5TytKatd3xY+R_xQBwG6Ke1-Eyyfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE8BBeE_qwoGbgHZ_x4W0kBzPMcq8xqczDeHeoK3s-UsFeua3w@mail.gmail.com>

This is the track_side.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Mikemaxcel <mikemaxcel at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is the components side.
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From mikemaxcel at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 18:29:56 2012
From: mikemaxcel at gmail.com (Mikemaxcel)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 18:29:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] enhanced Nak 700ZXL_1000ZXL Playback Board
In-Reply-To: <CAE8BBeE_qwoGbgHZ_x4W0kBzPMcq8xqczDeHeoK3s-UsFeua3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8BBeHFXOgCE9QAbyy0f5TytKatd3xY+R_xQBwG6Ke1-Eyyfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE8BBeE_qwoGbgHZ_x4W0kBzPMcq8xqczDeHeoK3s-UsFeua3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE8BBeFXGymg6zRReWNkxaiUcEHVv3sgxoakLQFFm8buPJ_W7w@mail.gmail.com>

All the J0XX components-extra wire connections have been elimilated
for better transfer of signals.



On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Mikemaxcel <mikemaxcel at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is the track_side.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Mikemaxcel <mikemaxcel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is the components side.
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From mikemaxcel at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 19:15:08 2012
From: mikemaxcel at gmail.com (Mikemaxcel)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 19:15:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] enhanced Nak 700ZXL_1000ZXL Playback Board
In-Reply-To: <CAE8BBeFXGymg6zRReWNkxaiUcEHVv3sgxoakLQFFm8buPJ_W7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8BBeHFXOgCE9QAbyy0f5TytKatd3xY+R_xQBwG6Ke1-Eyyfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE8BBeE_qwoGbgHZ_x4W0kBzPMcq8xqczDeHeoK3s-UsFeua3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE8BBeFXGymg6zRReWNkxaiUcEHVv3sgxoakLQFFm8buPJ_W7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE8BBeGUZQbuKNTvpemw20=dS174JQVQ6HcvgeHXAUabefJ9ww@mail.gmail.com>

Here are the photos of the playback PCB--Components_side and Track_side.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Mikemaxcel <mikemaxcel at gmail.com> wrote:

> All the J0XX components-extra wire connections have been elimilated for better transfer of signals.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Mikemaxcel <mikemaxcel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is the track_side.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Mikemaxcel <mikemaxcel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is the components side.
>>>
>>
>>
>
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From fred at marrscom.com  Wed Jun  6 18:01:01 2012
From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:01:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 6/6/12  80634-D4  CAPSTAN AND KIT  SUPER SALE !
Message-ID: <4FCF7EBD.80706@marrscom.com>


6/6/12 through 6/30/12


NAKAMICHI   SUPER SALE


OCO-80634-D4 FACTORY Capstan _ OR _ Complete Kit.  $10.00 OFF


THE D4 FITS:  BX-300,  CR-4A,  CR-5A,  CR-7A,  MR-1


* CAPSTAN BELT ONLY          $25.00


COMPLETE KIT w/Idler Tire  $28.95


Priority Mail not included.    $6.10 USA


website: http://www.marrscommunications.com


Thanks !  Fred M. *


From luyingdai at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 11 03:53:31 2012
From: luyingdai at yahoo.com (Ying Dai Lu)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:53:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual RX505 Responding to Ken Mashlan link
Message-ID: <1339379611.10200.YahooMailNeo@web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

 
Thanks and I did register over a week back providing my ID and Email adress and I was supposed to wait for their password but it did not come.  
I tried to register again using my ID name, Name and Email address but it said that the login name should be a valid "pagename"  I do not understand what is a valid pagename ? 
Anyone any chance what it is ?
 
Anyone can give a guiding hand please.
 
Thank you.
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Jun 11 10:51:22 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:51:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual RX505 Responding to Ken Mashlan link
In-Reply-To: <1339379611.10200.YahooMailNeo@web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1339379611.10200.YahooMailNeo@web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c395482fb83e0421566a535bc1ed7c20.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

No login/password needed.
Find your document on the page:

http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents

Wouter

>  
> Thanks and I did register over a week back providing my ID and Email
> adress and I was supposed to wait for their password but it did not come.
> I tried to register again using my ID name, Name and Email address but it
> said that the login name should be a valid "pagename"  I do not understand
> what is a valid pagename ?
> Anyone any chance what it is ?
>  
> Anyone can give a guiding hand please.
>  
> Thank
> you.




From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 13 17:47:07 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 09:47:07 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nak 410 Preamp and 420 Amp replacement lamps
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8McNo4hegnQf6ajP7drwkwj4Wy708+9SfmKpM6HHGCGF+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT111-W431AC8927664A39CAB2C05DB000@phx.gbl>,
	<CAM9V8McNo4hegnQf6ajP7drwkwj4Wy708+9SfmKpM6HHGCGF+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W13A4CB1833745C6B08ABBDDBF50@phx.gbl>



 I'm unable to find a 16V 40mA lamp for the Nak 420 amp. It's the same style lamp to the Nak 700 cassette deck used to light up the opening of the cassette well. Attached is a picture (from a Sansui 350 receiver) of what these look like. Had no luck with Ebay, Radio Shack, Fry's Electronics, or the local electronic supply store where I bought the one for the Nak 700. Where are you folks purchasing these? Can you guide me to an electronic supply website? Also still need the bulb voltage and amp specs for the Nak 410 preamp as mentioned in my previous email. Thank you members for any help.Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 10:44:29 -0700
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 410 Preamp and 420 Amp replacement lamps
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
To: naktalk at naks.com

Hi Mark -
I'm not shining you on.  I just have to do a bit of research to answer your questions correctly and I haven't had the time when I'm around my manuals yet.  I'll get to it this weekend.

Willy

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:









Just received a Nak 410 preamp and 420 amp in great condition. Only problem is the power light is out on both units.
Doing a research, the 420 amp uses a 16V 40mA lamp.
Questions:
Does the 410 preamp use the same size replacement lamp?

Are the lamps easy to replace in both units?
The service manual for the 420 is on the wiki, the 410 service manual is not available.
 
Any help is greatly appreciated.
 		 	   		  

 		 	   		  
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 13 19:04:13 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:04:13 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 410 Preamp and 420 Amp replacement lamps
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W13A4CB1833745C6B08ABBDDBF50@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT111-W431AC8927664A39CAB2C05DB000@phx.gbl>,
	<CAM9V8McNo4hegnQf6ajP7drwkwj4Wy708+9SfmKpM6HHGCGF+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT111-W13A4CB1833745C6B08ABBDDBF50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP900FF958C1FBE566EB235286F50@phx.gbl>

 
 
 
Have you tried DigiKey or Mouser Electronics? I was able to get everything I
needed to fix my stereo gear from these 2 sources -- even some rather
oddball tantalum caps.
I did have to wait about 3 months for some of the hard-to-find caps to
arrive. Mouser sent me a catalog that is HUGE.
 
Aloha,
Cheryl

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Exstedt
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:47 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nak 410 Preamp and 420 Amp replacement lamps



 I'm unable to find a 16V 40mA lamp for the Nak 420 amp.
 It's the same style lamp to the Nak 700 cassette deck used to light up the
opening of the cassette well.
 Attached is a picture (from a Sansui 350 receiver) of what these look like.
 Had no luck with Ebay, Radio Shack, Fry's Electronics, or the local
electronic supply store where I bought the one for the Nak 700.
 Where are you folks purchasing these? Can you guide me to an electronic
supply website?
 Also still need the bulb voltage and amp specs for the Nak 410 preamp as
mentioned in my previous email.
 Thank you members for any help.

  _____  

Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 10:44:29 -0700
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 410 Preamp and 420 Amp replacement lamps
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
To: naktalk at naks.com

Hi Mark - 

I'm not shining you on.  I just have to do a bit of research to answer your
questions correctly and I haven't had the time when I'm around my manuals
yet.  I'll get to it this weekend.

Willy


On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:



Just received a Nak 410 preamp and 420 amp in great condition. Only problem
is the power light is out on both units.
Doing a research, the 420 amp uses a 16V 40mA lamp.
Questions:
Does the 410 preamp use the same size replacement lamp?
Are the lamps easy to replace in both units?
The service manual for the 420 is on the wiki, the 410 service manual is not
available.
 
Any help is greatly appreciated.



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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Wed Jun 13 19:28:07 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:28:07 -0700
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nak 410 Preamp and 420 Amp replacement lamps
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W13A4CB1833745C6B08ABBDDBF50@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT111-W431AC8927664A39CAB2C05DB000@phx.gbl>
	<CAM9V8McNo4hegnQf6ajP7drwkwj4Wy708+9SfmKpM6HHGCGF+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT111-W13A4CB1833745C6B08ABBDDBF50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAM9V8MfsobG-ehzOtrL3QqV+E0Uco2foacumbzm+E7VsgSw0WA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark -

The 410 lamp is the same 16v 40ma as the 420.  Try the 16volt lamp from
wholesale trains.com:
http://www.wholesaletrains.com/Detail.asp?ID=200498649

Willy

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>  I'm unable to find a 16V 40mA lamp for the Nak 420 amp.
>  It's the same style lamp to the Nak 700 cassette deck used to light up
> the opening of the cassette well.
>  Attached is a picture (from a Sansui 350 receiver) of what these look
> like.
>  Had no luck with Ebay, Radio Shack, Fry's Electronics, or the local
> electronic supply store where I bought the one for the Nak 700.
>  Where are you folks purchasing these? Can you guide me to an electronic
> supply website?
>  Also still need the bulb voltage and amp specs for the Nak 410 preamp as
> mentioned in my previous email.
>  Thank you members for any help.
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 10:44:29 -0700
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 410 Preamp and 420 Amp replacement lamps
> From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
> To: naktalk at naks.com
>
>
> Hi Mark -
>
> I'm not shining you on.  I just have to do a bit of research to answer
> your questions correctly and I haven't had the time when I'm around my
> manuals yet.  I'll get to it this weekend.
>
> Willy
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>
> Just received a Nak 410 preamp and 420 amp in great condition. Only
> problem is the power light is out on both units.
> Doing a research, the 420 amp uses a 16V 40mA lamp.
> Questions:
> Does the 410 preamp use the same size replacement lamp?
> Are the lamps easy to replace in both units?
> The service manual for the 420 is on the wiki, the 410 service manual is
> not available.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 13 20:43:19 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:43:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 410 Preamp and 420 Amp replacement lamps
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W13A4CB1833745C6B08ABBDDBF50@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT111-W431AC8927664A39CAB2C05DB000@phx.gbl>,
	<CAM9V8McNo4hegnQf6ajP7drwkwj4Wy708+9SfmKpM6HHGCGF+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT111-W13A4CB1833745C6B08ABBDDBF50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1339612999.60464.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



All Electronics carries T-1 (3mm) 14V/45mA lamps with insulated 10" wire leads. Not 

exactly what you want, but should fit. You may have to change the series resistor to 

get just under 14V across the lamp. 


Another solution will be a 3mm LED. You can get any color that strikes your fancy. For 

a LED you definitely will need to change the resistor, shooting for about 25mA through 

the LED.

-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:47 AM
>Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nak 410 Preamp and 420 Amp replacement lamps
> 
>
> 
>
> I'm unable to find a 16V 40mA lamp for the Nak 420 amp.
> It's the same style lamp to the Nak 700 cassette deck used to light up the opening of the cassette well.
> Attached is a picture (from a Sansui 350 receiver) of what these look like.
> Had no luck with Ebay, Radio Shack, Fry's Electronics, or the local electronic supply store where I bought the one for the Nak 700.
> Where are you folks purchasing these? Can you guide me to an electronic supply website?
> Also still need the bulb voltage and amp specs for the Nak 410 preamp as mentioned in my previous email.
> Thank you members for any help.
>
>
>________________________________
>Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 10:44:29 -0700
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 410 Preamp and 420 Amp replacement lamps
>From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>
>Hi Mark -
>
>
>I'm not shining you on.  I just have to do a bit of research to answer your questions correctly and I haven't had the time when I'm around my manuals yet.  I'll get to it this weekend.
>
>
>Willy
>
>
>On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Just received a Nak 410 preamp and 420 amp in great condition. Only problem is the power light is out on both units.
>>Doing a research, the 420 amp uses a 16V 40mA lamp.
>>Questions:
>>Does the 410 preamp use the same size replacement lamp?
>>Are the lamps easy to replace in both units?
>>The service manual for the 420 is on the wiki, the 410 service manual is not available.
>> 
>>Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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From sem121470 at windstream.net  Thu Jun 14 23:54:19 2012
From: sem121470 at windstream.net (GlassWolf)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:54:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 help
Message-ID: <4FDA5D8B.1030900@windstream.net>

I have an RX-505, which, when playing tapes (store bought or C-90) it 
tends to get near the end of the side of the tape, then about half way 
through the last song on a side, it auto-reverses.

I realize this is caused by sensing the drag on the tape, and needing to 
be adjusted, but what I was wanting to ask is:

Is this an issue of the capstan motor voltage vise sensing, and causing 
the tape to flip, requiring a new motor, or a motor rebuld, or is this a 
drag sensor that needs to be adjusted (a pot?) or replaced?

I have the service manual, but I'm not sure where to even begin looking 
for this, and my local service tech guy (not a Nak specialist) suggested 
I ask people more familiar with the unit before having him tear into it 
blindly, so to speak.  He's already rebuilt the deck for me, as the 
belts and tires had to be replaced, and the entire clutch assembly had 
to be rebuilt, but he missed this little issue, and I wanted to give him 
a good starting point before giving the deck back, to help him out.  
He's a great tech, but he's an old school radio guy, not a tape deck 
specialist, so any help is greatly appreciated.

-Sean


From mikemaxcel at gmail.com  Fri Jun 15 10:00:34 2012
From: mikemaxcel at gmail.com (Mikemaxcel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:00:34 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] enhanced Nak 700ZXL_1000ZXL Playback Board
Message-ID: <CAE8BBeHNaezjknZApKEcawg34HNsmG-cb10QzJBchHgB=QtBog@mail.gmail.com>

The PCB will be ready by 1st of July and will be deliver from Italy and the
cost would be Euro28,00+postage.
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 15 17:21:29 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 08:21:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 help
In-Reply-To: <4FDA5D8B.1030900@windstream.net>
References: <4FDA5D8B.1030900@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <1339773689.96086.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



I would watch the takeup hub and see whether it stops rotating briefly just before the 

spurious reverse occurs. If so, I would clean the idler periphery and mating surfaces 

with a Q-tip dampened with iso-propyl alcohol and see if it improves matters. I would 

also check takeup torque adjustment (see the service manual. For some reason, 

Nakamichi calls it 'Reel motor speed adjustment"). 


-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>
>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 5:54 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 help
> 
>I have an RX-505, which, when playing tapes (store bought or C-90) it tends to get near the end of the side of the tape, then about half way through the last song on a side, it auto-reverses.
>
>I realize this is caused by sensing the drag on the tape, and needing to be adjusted, but what I was wanting to ask is:
>
>Is this an issue of the capstan motor voltage vise sensing, and causing the tape to flip, requiring a new motor, or a motor rebuld, or is this a drag sensor that needs to be adjusted (a pot?) or replaced?
>
>I have the service manual, but I'm not sure where to even begin looking for this, and my local service tech guy (not a Nak specialist) suggested I ask people more familiar with the unit before having him tear into it blindly, so to speak.  He's already rebuilt the deck for me, as the belts and tires had to be replaced, and the entire clutch assembly had to be rebuilt, but he missed this little issue, and I wanted to give him a good starting point before giving the deck back, to help him out.  He's a great tech, but he's an old school radio guy, not a tape deck specialist, so any help is greatly appreciated.
>
>-Sean
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From luyingdai at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 18 04:45:33 2012
From: luyingdai at yahoo.com (Ying Dai Lu)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:45:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Head Is this Normal ?
Message-ID: <1339987533.71052.YahooMailNeo@web111710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Fist, a great thanks to Wouter for the RX manual.
 
I found the diagram of the Power Supply on page 29 where it shows the 3 fuses.
 
Now I was looking at the Head.
 
On eiher side of the Head is a "BLACK  U" placed horizontally facing each other.They both ocupy only half the surface of the HEAD.
 
And on the right side stretching from the Black U is a brown line which almost cross the other side.
 
What are the BLACK Us and their function ?
 
And is this brown line which appears to be a faded extension of the BLACK U ?  (I have used DeOxit 5 with cotton-bud/Q-tip but unable to remove it.)
 
Waiting for my old friend to come today to check on the Power Supply circuit as he said there may be something serious because when the 1st fuse blew he use a fine copper thread but the 2nd fuse blew and he changed to 2 fine copper thread. (I think that was the sequence)
 
But I managed to buy the original Japanese made fuses and he has soldered them but wary to proceed further without the Power supply diagram and schematic. He has disabled the other circuits so that they will not be affected when anything happens again to this Power Supply Circuit.
 
\These are the pics if they can be allowed to appear on this forum.
 
 
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1100295.jpg
 
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1100296.jpg
 
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1100297.jpg
 
 http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1100302-1.jpg
 
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1100301-1.jpg
 
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1100304-1.jpg
 
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1100305-1.jpg
 
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1100313.jpg
 
 
Thanks to all for the advice and guidance.
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From luyingdai at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 18 05:02:56 2012
From: luyingdai at yahoo.com (Ying Dai Lu)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 20:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Head Another clear pic (follow-up)
Message-ID: <1339988576.7602.YahooMailNeo@web111723.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Here is another pic that I was able to zoom in on my photobucket and it was very clear :
 
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1100294.jpg
 
 
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Jun 18 11:32:16 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:32:16 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 repair
Message-ID: <8c31c6d312d294dd98c58a1c249692ed.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Last december I started modding CD Players, having no prior experience
with soldering components in audio equipment. I have now replaced so many
caps and ic's and not broken one player that I decided to take it a step
higher!

My first Nak project will be one of the 2 broken and shelved ZX-9's. I
posted back in 2009 about the problem they have (DD motor stops running)
and got good replies, one very specific from Tom Brucker (where is he?!).
So I located C516 and C524 on the DD board yesterday and ordered the
parts, only for C516 I could only find a 5% cap where the manual says 2%
which is not a problem I suppose..

I'll keep you all posted how this goes.

Wouter






From luyingdai at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 18 14:13:24 2012
From: luyingdai at yahoo.com (Ying Dai Lu)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 05:13:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Another Timing problem
Message-ID: <1340021604.88256.YahooMailNeo@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

 
Today just fixed and re-assembled without any fuse being blown.
 
Problem is that :
 
(1) when PLAY is pressed the Head goes down and moved up a little such that it does not play.
 
(2) It can rewind.
 
(3) It cannot FAST FORWARD.
 
(4) Somehow something was wrong with puley and both sides of Tape moved towards the middle.
 
Any advice ?
 
Thanks everyone.
 
Cheers !
 
LuYingDai 
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 18 18:43:22 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:43:22 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Another Timing problem
In-Reply-To: <1340021604.88256.YahooMailNeo@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1340021604.88256.YahooMailNeo@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP467B3DC5B97C1B7797D7A2186F80@phx.gbl>

It sounds like either the cam is still not aligned properly or another part
is not properly aligned. Did you remove ot tinker with any of the little
white plastic pieces on the front of the transport? If you get any of those
out of position the transport will not behave properly. I got one out of
position when I did my 581 and it took me quite a while to figure it out.
There is one piece in particular that acts as a type of locking mechanism on
the cam. It's been a long time since I had my apart and my memory is foggy
and I can't remember when it is supposed to get activated. But I do remember
that if it gets moved to the wrong position the transport will not behave
properly. Maybe Willie or Perry can jump in here.
 
When the machine is off, can you manually rotate the cam through all of the
positions? 
 
Aloha,
Cheryl

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Ying Dai Lu
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 2:13 AM
To: naks.com naktalk
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Another Timing problem


 
Today just fixed and re-assembled without any fuse being blown.
 
Problem is that :
 
(1) when PLAY is pressed the Head goes down and moved up a little such that
it does not play.
 
(2) It can rewind.
 
(3) It cannot FAST FORWARD.
 
(4) Somehow something was wrong with puley and both sides of Tape moved
towards the middle.
 
Any advice ?
 
Thanks everyone.
 
Cheers !
 
LuYingDai 
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 18 18:54:22 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:54:22 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Head Another clear pic (follow-up)
In-Reply-To: <1339988576.7602.YahooMailNeo@web111723.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1339988576.7602.YahooMailNeo@web111723.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP465CCF13AC710D350F20AC686F80@phx.gbl>

 
The heads look normal to me.
 
Aloha,
Cheryl

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Ying Dai Lu
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 5:03 PM
To: naks.com naktalk
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Head Another clear pic (follow-up)


Here is another pic that I was able to zoom in on my photobucket and it was
very clear :
 
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1100294.jpg
 
 
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 18 18:57:48 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:57:48 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 repair
In-Reply-To: <8c31c6d312d294dd98c58a1c249692ed.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <8c31c6d312d294dd98c58a1c249692ed.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP295B735843E591C4263D03786F80@phx.gbl>


Hi Wouter,

I ran into this problem too. My solution was to order 6 to 8 of each cap and
them measure the capacitance with a digital meter to pick the ones that were
closest to spec. 
This worked well for making matched pairs. 

Aloha,
Cheryl

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Wouter Heijke
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 11:32 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 repair

Last december I started modding CD Players, having no prior experience with
soldering components in audio equipment. I have now replaced so many caps
and ic's and not broken one player that I decided to take it a step higher!

My first Nak project will be one of the 2 broken and shelved ZX-9's. I
posted back in 2009 about the problem they have (DD motor stops running) and
got good replies, one very specific from Tom Brucker (where is he?!).
So I located C516 and C524 on the DD board yesterday and ordered the parts,
only for C516 I could only find a 5% cap where the manual says 2% which is
not a problem I suppose..

I'll keep you all posted how this goes.

Wouter




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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Mon Jun 18 20:08:38 2012
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:08:38 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Noise from display on 680ZX
Message-ID: <00a701cd4d7d$6276b550$27641ff0$@math.utah.edu>

I thought I would run this by a few folks out here. Anyone run into this
problem where noise is generated from the display on a 680ZX.

Vic






From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Jun 18 21:13:39 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:13:39 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 repair
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP295B735843E591C4263D03786F80@phx.gbl>
References: <8c31c6d312d294dd98c58a1c249692ed.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
	<BLU0-SMTP295B735843E591C4263D03786F80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <a4fbdce79dc438671361983b5df9f4da.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Hi Cheryl,

Great tip! I ordered more so will do this also once I receive them.

Wouter

>
> Hi Wouter,
>
> I ran into this problem too. My solution was to order 6 to 8 of each cap
> and
> them measure the capacitance with a digital meter to pick the ones that
> were
> closest to spec.
> This worked well for making matched pairs.
>
> Aloha,
> Cheryl



From perry.nak at comcast.net  Mon Jun 18 19:54:47 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 17:54:47 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 head
Message-ID: <373400205-1340042087-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-891209580-@b26.c16.bise6.blackberry>

Are you serious? That is the head and channel separation . The black is the potting material. That is what it is supposed to look like. There are many head shots on the internet. Do not use deoxit to clean heads?! It leaves an oily residue to enhance conduction, that may even fill the head gap. You need to clean it with head cleaner like 100% IA or s721h. 
Perry Esposito - From my phone


From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Mon Jun 18 21:23:11 2012
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:23:11 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Noise from display on 680ZX
In-Reply-To: <00a701cd4d7d$6276b550$27641ff0$@math.utah.edu>
References: <00a701cd4d7d$6276b550$27641ff0$@math.utah.edu>
Message-ID: <000c01cd4d87$ccff2790$66fd76b0$@math.utah.edu>

I should fill you in more details:
The noise is showing up in the playback and the display functions as it
should.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Victor Gabrenas
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 12:09 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: [naktalk] Noise from display on 680ZX

I thought I would run this by a few folks out here. Anyone run into this
problem where noise is generated from the display on a 680ZX.

Vic




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From avss01 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 00:16:01 2012
From: avss01 at gmail.com (avss01)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:16:01 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Noise from display on 680ZX
In-Reply-To: <000c01cd4d87$ccff2790$66fd76b0$@math.utah.edu>
References: <00a701cd4d7d$6276b550$27641ff0$@math.utah.edu>
	<000c01cd4d87$ccff2790$66fd76b0$@math.utah.edu>
Message-ID: <CAES7Nr2Kq49oZwyu7usdYryozVSr9ESFiORLkL7acxBmhgLFag@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Victor

You don't really describe the type of 'noise' and this might not be your
problem, but I can tell you that after refurbishing 2 680ZXs I found a
simple cause to a 'whine' in the audio that affected both decks equally.
There are three harnesses coming out of the display unit....two white and
one grey. Be *very* careful where the long white and grey harnesses loop on
their way to the logic board on the left hand side. If they come too close
to the components on the main board, a whine (buzz) is very clearly
injected into the audio. Make sure the long loop is tied up uppermost on
top of the other cables behind the display unit. This may not be your
source, but certainly was on my two decks until I moved the cables away
from the board components. If you disconnect the display unit's power the
noise goes away, and in both cases the display works just fine.  It is
probably clock noise induced into amp circuitry on the main board.

Regards
David



On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu>wrote:

> I should fill you in more details:
> The noise is showing up in the playback and the display functions as it
> should.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of Victor Gabrenas
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 12:09 PM
> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Subject: [naktalk] Noise from display on 680ZX
>
> I thought I would run this by a few folks out here. Anyone run into this
> problem where noise is generated from the display on a 680ZX.
>
> Vic
>
>
>
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 19 19:39:17 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:39:17 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nak 410 Preamp and 420 Amp replacement lamps
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8MfsobG-ehzOtrL3QqV+E0Uco2foacumbzm+E7VsgSw0WA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT111-W431AC8927664A39CAB2C05DB000@phx.gbl>,
	<CAM9V8McNo4hegnQf6ajP7drwkwj4Wy708+9SfmKpM6HHGCGF+A@mail.gmail.com>,
	<SNT111-W13A4CB1833745C6B08ABBDDBF50@phx.gbl>,
	<CAM9V8MfsobG-ehzOtrL3QqV+E0Uco2foacumbzm+E7VsgSw0WA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W6004F9EF61C1FD5A4E4E75DBFF0@phx.gbl>



Thank you Willy, Cheryl, and Ron for your help. I'll do my homework. Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:28:07 -0700
Subject: Re: FW: [naktalk] Nak 410 Preamp and 420 Amp replacement lamps
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
To: naktalk at naks.com

Hi Mark -
The 410 lamp is the same 16v 40ma as the 420.  Try the 16volt lamp from wholesale trains.com:http://www.wholesaletrains.com/Detail.asp?ID=200498649 

Willy

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:






 I'm unable to find a 16V 40mA lamp for the Nak 420 amp.
 It's the same style lamp to the Nak 700 cassette deck used to light up the opening of the cassette well.
 Attached is a picture (from a Sansui 350 receiver) of what these look like.

 Had no luck with Ebay, Radio Shack, Fry's Electronics, or the local electronic supply store where I bought the one for the Nak 700.
 Where are you folks purchasing these? Can you guide me to an electronic supply website?

 Also still need the bulb voltage and amp specs for the Nak 410 preamp as mentioned in my previous email.
 Thank you members for any help.
Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 10:44:29 -0700
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 410 Preamp and 420 Amp replacement lamps

From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
To: naktalk at naks.com

Hi Mark -

I'm not shining you on.  I just have to do a bit of research to answer your questions correctly and I haven't had the time when I'm around my manuals yet.  I'll get to it this weekend.

Willy

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:









Just received a Nak 410 preamp and 420 amp in great condition. Only problem is the power light is out on both units.
Doing a research, the 420 amp uses a 16V 40mA lamp.
Questions:
Does the 410 preamp use the same size replacement lamp?


Are the lamps easy to replace in both units?
The service manual for the 420 is on the wiki, the 410 service manual is not available.
 
Any help is greatly appreciated.
 		 	   		  

 		 	   		  
 		 	   		  
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From dalincer at comcast.net  Thu Jun 21 02:58:37 2012
From: dalincer at comcast.net (David Lincer)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:58:37 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 repair
In-Reply-To: <8c31c6d312d294dd98c58a1c249692ed.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <8c31c6d312d294dd98c58a1c249692ed.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <002701cd4f48$fe341c40$fa9c54c0$@net>

Wouter;

David Lincer piping up about specs on caps.
What ever the original spec of the Cap 10%, 5% 2% or whatever, you really
want
To match that... because, it may have the circuit operate but not exactly
correct.

Might end up with the wrong frequency response, or not matched between
channels etc.

Can you send me the specs on the cap and I will see if I can find a 2%
tolerance part.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Wouter Heijke [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] 
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 2:32 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 repair

Last december I started modding CD Players, having no prior experience with
soldering components in audio equipment. I have now replaced so many caps
and ic's and not broken one player that I decided to take it a step higher!

My first Nak project will be one of the 2 broken and shelved ZX-9's. I
posted back in 2009 about the problem they have (DD motor stops running) and
got good replies, one very specific from Tom Brucker (where is he?!).
So I located C516 and C524 on the DD board yesterday and ordered the parts,
only for C516 I could only find a 5% cap where the manual says 2% which is
not a problem I suppose..

I'll keep you all posted how this goes.

Wouter








From sem121470 at windstream.net  Thu Jun 21 15:38:06 2012
From: sem121470 at windstream.net (GlassWolf)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:38:06 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 repair
In-Reply-To: <002701cd4f48$fe341c40$fa9c54c0$@net>
References: <8c31c6d312d294dd98c58a1c249692ed.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
	<002701cd4f48$fe341c40$fa9c54c0$@net>
Message-ID: <4FE323BE.3060306@windstream.net>

parts express.  1% metalized poly caps from Dayton.


On 6/20/2012 8:58 PM, David Lincer wrote:
> Wouter;
>
> David Lincer piping up about specs on caps.
> What ever the original spec of the Cap 10%, 5% 2% or whatever, you really
> want
> To match that... because, it may have the circuit operate but not exactly
> correct.
>
> Might end up with the wrong frequency response, or not matched between
> channels etc.
>
> Can you send me the specs on the cap and I will see if I can find a 2%
> tolerance part.
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wouter Heijke [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 2:32 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 repair
>
> Last december I started modding CD Players, having no prior experience with
> soldering components in audio equipment. I have now replaced so many caps
> and ic's and not broken one player that I decided to take it a step higher!
>
> My first Nak project will be one of the 2 broken and shelved ZX-9's. I
> posted back in 2009 about the problem they have (DD motor stops running) and
> got good replies, one very specific from Tom Brucker (where is he?!).
> So I located C516 and C524 on the DD board yesterday and ordered the parts,
> only for C516 I could only find a 5% cap where the manual says 2% which is
> not a problem I suppose..
>
> I'll keep you all posted how this goes.
>
> Wouter
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From emberphoto at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 24 20:42:14 2012
From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:42:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series
 REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8MfsobG-ehzOtrL3QqV+E0Uco2foacumbzm+E7VsgSw0WA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT111-W431AC8927664A39CAB2C05DB000@phx.gbl>,
	<CAM9V8McNo4hegnQf6ajP7drwkwj4Wy708+9SfmKpM6HHGCGF+A@mail.gmail.com>,
	<SNT111-W13A4CB1833745C6B08ABBDDBF50@phx.gbl>,
	<CAM9V8MfsobG-ehzOtrL3QqV+E0Uco2foacumbzm+E7VsgSw0WA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT123-W15BBF3B33840187DB07CA3DEE20@phx.gbl>


Hello Everyone:
In trying to clear some shelf space in my library I came across a bunch of RARE In Sync Laboratories/Connoisseur Society 70 μsec REAL-TIME duplicated (on Nakamichi decks!) music cassettes. Several are factory-sealed.
These are true demonstration quality cassettes of classical - mainly chamber music/solo piano/solo organ - music. I have played enough of these - the ones I HAVE opened ;-) - to vouch for their purity of sound, especially if played on properly aligned Nakamichi decks. They have been stored in proper conditions - no extremes of temperature or humidity.
These were recordings made by the highly regarded Connoisseur Society with masters licensed to In Sync Laboratories for real time duplication to actual Chromium Dioxide tape. 
As I recall, they were done on a bank of classic Nak decks from the two track 15 ips masters. They are audio treasures, especially if you enjoy small ensemble/solo music. Sorry, I'm keeping the Rachmaninoff Piano Concertos!
So...before I list these on ebay, I wanted to offer them to the "connoisseurs" among us who most likely have the well cared for Nak decks that will bring the most out of these.
If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list for a list of available cassettes and prices.
Regards,
Steve Ember
emberphoto at hotmail.com
PS: Speaking of Chromium Dioxide cassettes, if anyone is interested, I have a large stash of CrO2 C-46 cassettes. These were demos from a studio and are essentially new, having only passed through a machine once, when they were recorded. The shells appear to be of high quality, clear with screw construction. As demos, they are, of course, printed, and their safety tabs are punched out. Nonetheless, they can easily be recorded over on by temporarily covering the holes with tape, and you can always label over the printing. 
So, if you'd like to try some genuine CrO2 and the C-46 length is not a detriment, I've got 80 of these to sell.






 		 	   		  
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From adrian at mechner.net  Sun Jun 24 23:53:56 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:53:56 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series
	REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes
In-Reply-To: <SNT123-W15BBF3B33840187DB07CA3DEE20@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT111-W431AC8927664A39CAB2C05DB000@phx.gbl>,
	<CAM9V8McNo4hegnQf6ajP7drwkwj4Wy708+9SfmKpM6HHGCGF+A@mail.gmail.com>,
	<SNT111-W13A4CB1833745C6B08ABBDDBF50@phx.gbl>,
	<CAM9V8MfsobG-ehzOtrL3QqV+E0Uco2foacumbzm+E7VsgSw0WA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT123-W15BBF3B33840187DB07CA3DEE20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000001cd5253$dc102060$94306120$@net>

Please excuse my ignorance, "genuine CrO2" as opposed to what? I have no
knowledge of fake CrO2.

Again please excuse my ignorance.

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Ember
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 11:42 AM
To: Nakamichi Talk
Subject: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series
REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes

 

Hello Everyone:

 

In trying to clear some shelf space in my library I came across a bunch of
RARE In Sync Laboratories/Connoisseur Society 70 μsec REAL-TIME duplicated
(on Nakamichi decks!) music cassettes. Several are factory-sealed.

 

These are true demonstration quality cassettes of classical - mainly chamber
music/solo piano/solo organ - music. I have played enough of these - the
ones I HAVE opened ;-) - to vouch for their purity of sound, especially if
played on properly aligned Nakamichi decks. They have been stored in proper
conditions - no extremes of temperature or humidity.

 

These were recordings made by the highly regarded Connoisseur Society with
masters licensed to In Sync Laboratories for real time duplication to actual
Chromium Dioxide tape. 
As I recall, they were done on a bank of classic Nak decks from the two
track 15 ips masters. They are audio treasures, especially if you enjoy
small ensemble/solo music. Sorry, I'm keeping the Rachmaninoff Piano
Concertos!

 

So...before I list these on ebay, I wanted to offer them to the
"connoisseurs" among us who most likely have the well cared for Nak decks
that will bring the most out of these.

 

If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list for a list of available
cassettes and prices.

 

Regards,

 

Steve Ember

 

emberphoto at hotmail.com

 

PS: Speaking of Chromium Dioxide cassettes, if anyone is interested, I have
a large stash of CrO2 C-46 cassettes. These were demos from a studio and are
essentially new, having only passed through a machine once, when they were
recorded. The shells appear to be of high quality, clear with screw
construction. As demos, they are, of course, printed, and their safety tabs
are punched out. Nonetheless, they can easily be recorded over on by
temporarily covering the holes with tape, and you can always label over the
printing. 

 

So, if you'd like to try some genuine CrO2 and the C-46 length is not a
detriment, I've got 80 of these to sell.

 





 

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From lenaw at flash.net  Mon Jun 25 00:29:32 2012
From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:29:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series
	REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes
In-Reply-To: <000001cd5253$dc102060$94306120$@net>
References: <SNT111-W431AC8927664A39CAB2C05DB000@phx.gbl>,
	<CAM9V8McNo4hegnQf6ajP7drwkwj4Wy708+9SfmKpM6HHGCGF+A@mail.gmail.com>,
	<SNT111-W13A4CB1833745C6B08ABBDDBF50@phx.gbl>,
	<CAM9V8MfsobG-ehzOtrL3QqV+E0Uco2foacumbzm+E7VsgSw0WA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT123-W15BBF3B33840187DB07CA3DEE20@phx.gbl>
	<000001cd5253$dc102060$94306120$@net>
Message-ID: <1340576972.30377.YahooMailRC@web184511.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

My understanding is that those InSync Cassettes are created using TDK SA and 
SA-X Type-II tapes which are not true CrO2 formula as BASF owns the patent of 
CrO2 and refused to license the formula to Japanese companies at that time. 
MFSL's cassette releases as well as Advent's CR/70 releases both use true CrO2 
formula though. Advent is the first to use CrO2 formula tapes before DuPont sold 
the license to BASF later.

Just my 2c 


Mike

 



________________________________
From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sun, June 24, 2012 5:21:41 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series 
REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes


Please excuse my ignorance, “genuine CrO2” as opposed to what? I have no 
knowledge of fake CrO2.
Again please excuse my ignorance.
Adrian
 
From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of 
Steve Ember
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 11:42 AM
To: Nakamichi Talk
Subject: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series REAL-TIME 
DUPLICATED cassettes
 
Hello Everyone:
 
In trying to clear some shelf space in my library I came across a bunch of RARE 
In Sync Laboratories/Connoisseur Society 70 μsec REAL-TIME duplicated (on 
Nakamichi decks!) music cassettes. Several are factory-sealed.
 
These are true demonstration quality cassettes of classical - mainly chamber 
music/solo piano/solo organ - music. I have played enough of these - the ones I 
HAVE opened ;-) - to vouch for their purity of sound, especially if played on 
properly aligned Nakamichi decks. They have been stored in proper conditions - 
no extremes of temperature or humidity.
 
These were recordings made by the highly regarded Connoisseur Society with 
masters licensed to In Sync Laboratories for real time duplication to actual 
Chromium Dioxide tape. 
As I recall, they were done on a bank of classic Nak decks from the two track 15 
ips masters. They are audio treasures, especially if you enjoy small 
ensemble/solo music. Sorry, I'm keeping the Rachmaninoff Piano Concertos!
 
So...before I list these on ebay, I wanted to offer them to the "connoisseurs" 
among us who most likely have the well cared for Nak decks that will bring the 
most out of these.
 
If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list for a list of available 
cassettes and prices.
 
Regards,
 
Steve Ember
 
emberphoto at hotmail.com
 
PS: Speaking of Chromium Dioxide cassettes, if anyone is interested, I have a 
large stash of CrO2 C-46 cassettes. These were demos from a studio and are 
essentially new, having only passed through a machine once, when they were 
recorded. The shells appear to be of high quality, clear with screw 
construction. As demos, they are, of course, printed, and their safety tabs are 
punched out. Nonetheless, they can easily be recorded over on by temporarily 
covering the holes with tape, and you can always label over the printing. 
 
So, if you'd like to try some genuine CrO2 and the C-46 length is not a 
detriment, I've got 80 of these to sell.
 


 

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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 25 00:45:37 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:45:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series
	REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes
In-Reply-To: <000001cd5253$dc102060$94306120$@net>
References: <SNT111-W431AC8927664A39CAB2C05DB000@phx.gbl>,
	<CAM9V8McNo4hegnQf6ajP7drwkwj4Wy708+9SfmKpM6HHGCGF+A@mail.gmail.com>,
	<SNT111-W13A4CB1833745C6B08ABBDDBF50@phx.gbl>,
	<CAM9V8MfsobG-ehzOtrL3QqV+E0Uco2foacumbzm+E7VsgSw0WA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT123-W15BBF3B33840187DB07CA3DEE20@phx.gbl>
	<000001cd5253$dc102060$94306120$@net>
Message-ID: <1340577937.3666.YahooMailNeo@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Adrian,

Steve must have stated genuine chrome to differentiate between Cobalt Doped TypeII( like TDK SA and Maxell UDXL-IIs and the like) and pure Cro2
( like BASF/Advent and other pure chromium dioxide non cobalt doped tapes, also TypeII)

Ram


________________________________
 From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes
 

Please excuse my ignorance, “genuine CrO2” as opposed to what? I have no knowledge of fake CrO2.
Again please excuse my ignorance.
Adrian
 
From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ember
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 11:42 AM
To: Nakamichi Talk
Subject: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes
 
Hello Everyone:
 
In trying to clear some shelf space in my library I came across a bunch of RARE In Sync Laboratories/Connoisseur Society 70 μsec REAL-TIME duplicated (on Nakamichi decks!) music cassettes. Several are factory-sealed.
 
These are true demonstration quality cassettes of classical - mainly chamber music/solo piano/solo organ - music. I have played enough of these - the ones I HAVE opened ;-) - to vouch for their purity of sound, especially if played on properly aligned Nakamichi decks. They have been stored in proper conditions - no extremes of temperature or humidity.
 
These were recordings made by the highly regarded Connoisseur Society with masters licensed to In Sync Laboratories for real time duplication to actual Chromium Dioxide tape. 
As I recall, they were done on a bank of classic Nak decks from the two track 15 ips masters. They are audio treasures, especially if you enjoy small ensemble/solo music. Sorry, I'm keeping the Rachmaninoff Piano Concertos!
 
So...before I list these on ebay, I wanted to offer them to the "connoisseurs" among us who most likely have the well cared for Nak decks that will bring the most out of these.
 
If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list for a list of available cassettes and prices.
 
Regards,
 
Steve Ember
 
emberphoto at hotmail.com
 
PS: Speaking of Chromium Dioxide cassettes, if anyone is interested, I have a large stash of CrO2 C-46 cassettes. These were demos from a studio and are essentially new, having only passed through a machine once, when they were recorded. The shells appear to be of high quality, clear with screw construction. As demos, they are, of course, printed, and their safety tabs are punched out. Nonetheless, they can easily be recorded over on by temporarily covering the holes with tape, and you can always label over the printing. 
 
So, if you'd like to try some genuine CrO2 and the C-46 length is not a detriment, I've got 80 of these to sell.
 


 

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From emberphoto at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 25 00:49:48 2012
From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:49:48 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series
	REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes
In-Reply-To: <000001cd5253$dc102060$94306120$@net>
References: <SNT111-W431AC8927664A39CAB2C05DB000@phx.gbl>, ,
	<CAM9V8McNo4hegnQf6ajP7drwkwj4Wy708+9SfmKpM6HHGCGF+A@mail.gmail.com>,
	, <SNT111-W13A4CB1833745C6B08ABBDDBF50@phx.gbl>, ,
	<CAM9V8MfsobG-ehzOtrL3QqV+E0Uco2foacumbzm+E7VsgSw0WA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<SNT123-W15BBF3B33840187DB07CA3DEE20@phx.gbl>,
	<000001cd5253$dc102060$94306120$@net>
Message-ID: <SNT123-W4EA1BD9B9B33AC0748787DEE20@phx.gbl>


@Adrian -- and anyone else who might have been wondering...
Perhaps an inopportune choice of descriptor on my part. If I recall correctly, CrO2, Chromium Dioxide, was the original formulation of Type II cassettes, but most manufacturers of Type II tapes did not care to pay licensing to use it, and so they developed their own formulations for the higher bias 
70 μsec product.
So, obviously, I was not alluding to the existence of "fake" CrO2 tapes - just recognizing the fact that some users actually remain partial to Type II tapes that ARE Chromium Dioxide.
Steve Ember

From: adrian at mechner.net
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series	REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:53:56 -0700

Please excuse my ignorance, "genuine CrO2" as opposed to what? I have no knowledge of fake CrO2.Again please excuse my ignorance.Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ember
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 11:42 AM
To: Nakamichi Talk
Subject: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes Hello Everyone: In trying to clear some shelf space in my library I came across a bunch of RARE In Sync Laboratories/Connoisseur Society 70 μsec REAL-TIME duplicated (on Nakamichi decks!) music cassettes. Several are factory-sealed. These are true demonstration quality cassettes of classical - mainly chamber music/solo piano/solo organ - music. I have played enough of these - the ones I HAVE opened ;-) - to vouch for their purity of sound, especially if played on properly aligned Nakamichi decks. They have been stored in proper conditions - no extremes of temperature or humidity. These were recordings made by the highly regarded Connoisseur Society with masters licensed to In Sync Laboratories for real time duplication to actual Chromium Dioxide tape. 
As I recall, they were done on a bank of classic Nak decks from the two track 15 ips masters. They are audio treasures, especially if you enjoy small ensemble/solo music. Sorry, I'm keeping the Rachmaninoff Piano Concertos! So...before I list these on ebay, I wanted to offer them to the "connoisseurs" among us who most likely have the well cared for Nak decks that will bring the most out of these. If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list for a list of available cassettes and prices. Regards, Steve Ember emberphoto at hotmail.com PS: Speaking of Chromium Dioxide cassettes, if anyone is interested, I have a large stash of CrO2 C-46 cassettes. These were demos from a studio and are essentially new, having only passed through a machine once, when they were recorded. The shells appear to be of high quality, clear with screw construction. As demos, they are, of course, printed, and their safety tabs are punched out. Nonetheless, they can easily be recorded over on by temporarily covering the holes with tape, and you can always label over the printing.  So, if you'd like to try some genuine CrO2 and the C-46 length is not a detriment, I've got 80 of these to sell. 

  
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From emberphoto at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 25 01:45:11 2012
From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:45:11 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series
	REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes
In-Reply-To: <1340576972.30377.YahooMailRC@web184511.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <SNT111-W431AC8927664A39CAB2C05DB000@phx.gbl>, ,
	<CAM9V8McNo4hegnQf6ajP7drwkwj4Wy708+9SfmKpM6HHGCGF+A@mail.gmail.com>,
	, <SNT111-W13A4CB1833745C6B08ABBDDBF50@phx.gbl>, ,
	<CAM9V8MfsobG-ehzOtrL3QqV+E0Uco2foacumbzm+E7VsgSw0WA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<SNT123-W15BBF3B33840187DB07CA3DEE20@phx.gbl>,
	<000001cd5253$dc102060$94306120$@net>,
	<1340576972.30377.YahooMailRC@web184511.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT123-W45AEED98F2155E37C496D7DEE20@phx.gbl>


Hi Mike,
There may have been later versions of these In Sync Laboratories/Connoisseur Society cassettes that did use the non-CrO2 formulations.
However the packaging for these "LABORATORY SERIES" cassettes clearly states CrO2 tape. Additionally, I can tell you based on those I have opened and played, that the tape labels also state "CrO2 Tape." 

Thanks for mentioning the Advent CR/70 releases. I have at least one of those.  I well remember when they were introduced and the stir they created in audiophile circles. Advent introduced a Dolby-B equipped deck on which to play them. 
If I recall correctly, the deck proved flimsy, though, and they went to offering a more robust re-badged 3M/Wollensak transport.
Cheers,
SteveDate: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:29:32 -0700
From: lenaw at flash.net
Subject: Re: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series	REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes
To: naktalk at naks.com

My understanding is that those InSync Cassettes are created using TDK SA and SA-X Type-II tapes which are not true CrO2 formula as BASF owns the patent of CrO2 and refused to license the formula to Japanese companies at that time. MFSL's cassette releases as well as Advent's CR/70 releases both use true CrO2 formula though. Advent is the first to use CrO2 formula tapes before DuPont sold the license to BASF later.
 
Just my 2c 
 
 
Mike

 




From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sun, June 24, 2012 5:21:41 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes





Please excuse my ignorance, "genuine CrO2" as opposed to what? I have no knowledge of fake CrO2.
Again please excuse my ignorance.
Adrian
 


From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ember
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 11:42 AM
To: Nakamichi Talk
Subject: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes
 


Hello Everyone:

 

In trying to clear some shelf space in my library I came across a bunch of RARE In Sync Laboratories/Connoisseur Society 70 μsec REAL-TIME duplicated (on Nakamichi decks!) music cassettes. Several are factory-sealed.

 

These are true demonstration quality cassettes of classical - mainly chamber music/solo piano/solo organ - music. I have played enough of these - the ones I HAVE opened ;-) - to vouch for their purity of sound, especially if played on properly aligned Nakamichi decks. They have been stored in proper conditions - no extremes of temperature or humidity.

 

These were recordings made by the highly regarded Connoisseur Society with masters licensed to In Sync Laboratories for real time duplication to actual Chromium Dioxide tape. 
As I recall, they were done on a bank of classic Nak decks from the two track 15 ips masters. They are audio treasures, especially if you enjoy small ensemble/solo music. Sorry, I'm keeping the Rachmaninoff Piano Concertos!

 

So...before I list these on ebay, I wanted to offer them to the "connoisseurs" among us who most likely have the well cared for Nak decks that will bring the most out of these.

 

If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list for a list of available cassettes and prices.

 

Regards,

 

Steve Ember

 

emberphoto at hotmail.com

 

PS: Speaking of Chromium Dioxide cassettes, if anyone is interested, I have a large stash of CrO2 C-46 cassettes. These were demos from a studio and are essentially new, having only passed through a machine once, when they were recorded. The shells appear to be of high quality, clear with screw construction. As demos, they are, of course, printed, and their safety tabs are punched out. Nonetheless, they can easily be recorded over on by temporarily covering the holes with tape, and you can always label over the printing. 

 

So, if you'd like to try some genuine CrO2 and the C-46 length is not a detriment, I've got 80 of these to sell.

 




 




 
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From hifihospital at gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 13:32:39 2012
From: hifihospital at gmail.com (Douglas Guth)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 07:32:39 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CD Player 2
Message-ID: <CAE5nz2FLuNDqT6k4GpKAemcRhTOwGGTQKWtn7WEF2cEe=3w4SA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Nak Gurus,

  Anyone seen a CD Player 2 that will typically not read a disc from a cold
start?  As soon as I plug in the Nakamichi CD Test Unit the player will
read the disc just fine with all of the alignment measurements per spec.
 Then when I unplug the Test Unit the player continues to work great.  I
got the unit in to replace the belts and noticed this strange behavior.  I
asked the owner of the player about it and he said, "Oh yea, it
occasionally won't read any disc and then work great for a while".  I tried
a new laser, and then a new spindle motor all with no results.  The power
supply voltages are all perfect and all suspect solder joints have been
touched up.  I've ordered the CXA1082BS CD Servo Signal Processor chip
since the spindle motor drive looks a little messy but that's just a guess
since the eye pattern looks good.


p.s. It is a CD Player 2 disguised as a McIntosh MCD 7008.


Thanks,

*Doug Guth *CTS, BSBE, DMC-E
*Service Engineer/ Programming - Unified AV Systems*
dguth at unifiedav.com | www.unifiedav.com
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From lenaw at flash.net  Mon Jun 25 15:00:01 2012
From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 06:00:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series
	REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes
In-Reply-To: <SNT123-W45AEED98F2155E37C496D7DEE20@phx.gbl>
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	<CAM9V8MfsobG-ehzOtrL3QqV+E0Uco2foacumbzm+E7VsgSw0WA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<SNT123-W15BBF3B33840187DB07CA3DEE20@phx.gbl>,
	<000001cd5253$dc102060$94306120$@net>,
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Steve:
          The first Dolby-B cassette deck with CrO2 capability from Advent was 
the Advent-200 which was manufactured by Nakamichi and yes, the performance at 
that time is not up to the spec. required by Advent so Advent switch to a 
3M/Wollensak tape transport mechanism with Advent's own electronic design called 
Advent-201 and 201A, The rest is history.


Mike




________________________________
From: Steve Ember <emberphoto at hotmail.com>
To: Nakamichi Talk <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, June 25, 2012 2:49:36 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series 
REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes


Hi Mike, 

There may have been later versions of these In Sync Laboratories/Connoisseur 
Society cassettes that did use the non-CrO2 formulations.

However the packaging for these "LABORATORY SERIES" cassettes clearly states 
CrO2 tape. Additionally, I can tell you based on those I have opened and played, 
that the tape labels also state "CrO2 Tape." 

Thanks for mentioning the Advent CR/70 releases. I have at least one of those. 
 I well remember when they were introduced and the stir they created in 
audiophile circles. Advent introduced a Dolby-B equipped deck on which to play 
them.  If I recall correctly, the deck proved flimsy, though, and they went to 
offering a more robust re-badged 3M/Wollensak transport.

Cheers,

Steve 

________________________________
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:29:32 -0700
From: lenaw at flash.net
Subject: Re: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series 
REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes
To: naktalk at naks.com


My understanding is that those InSync Cassettes are created using TDK SA and 
SA-X Type-II tapes which are not true CrO2 formula as BASF owns the patent of 
CrO2 and refused to license the formula to Japanese companies at that time. 
MFSL's cassette releases as well as Advent's CR/70 releases both use true CrO2 
formula though. Advent is the first to use CrO2 formula tapes before DuPont sold 
the license to BASF later.

Just my 2c 


Mike

 



________________________________
From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sun, June 24, 2012 5:21:41 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series 
REAL-TIME DUPLICATED cassettes


Please excuse my ignorance, "genuine CrO2" as opposed to what? I have no 
knowledge of fake CrO2.
Again please excuse my ignorance.
Adrian
 
From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of 
Steve Ember
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 11:42 AM
To: Nakamichi Talk
Subject: [naktalk] FS: In Sync/Connoisseur Society Laboratory Series REAL-TIME 
DUPLICATED cassettes
 
Hello Everyone:
 
In trying to clear some shelf space in my library I came across a bunch of RARE 
In Sync Laboratories/Connoisseur Society 70 μsec REAL-TIME duplicated (on 
Nakamichi decks!) music cassettes. Several are factory-sealed.
 
These are true demonstration quality cassettes of classical - mainly chamber 
music/solo piano/solo organ - music. I have played enough of these - the ones I 
HAVE opened ;-) - to vouch for their purity of sound, especially if played on 
properly aligned Nakamichi decks. They have been stored in proper conditions - 
no extremes of temperature or humidity.
 
These were recordings made by the highly regarded Connoisseur Society with 
masters licensed to In Sync Laboratories for real time duplication to actual 
Chromium Dioxide tape. 
As I recall, they were done on a bank of classic Nak decks from the two track 15 
ips masters. They are audio treasures, especially if you enjoy small 
ensemble/solo music. Sorry, I'm keeping the Rachmaninoff Piano Concertos!
 
So...before I list these on ebay, I wanted to offer them to the "connoisseurs" 
among us who most likely have the well cared for Nak decks that will bring the 
most out of these.
 
If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list for a list of available 
cassettes and prices.
 
Regards,
 
Steve Ember
 
emberphoto at hotmail.com
 
PS: Speaking of Chromium Dioxide cassettes, if anyone is interested, I have a 
large stash of CrO2 C-46 cassettes. These were demos from a studio and are 
essentially new, having only passed through a machine once, when they were 
recorded. The shells appear to be of high quality, clear with screw 
construction. As demos, they are, of course, printed, and their safety tabs are 
punched out. Nonetheless, they can easily be recorded over on by temporarily 
covering the holes with tape, and you can always label over the printing. 
 
So, if you'd like to try some genuine CrO2 and the C-46 length is not a 
detriment, I've got 80 of these to sell.
 


 

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From solexny at gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 18:53:52 2012
From: solexny at gmail.com (Dan Moy)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 12:53:52 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] FS: BX300 with 220+ Tapes
Message-ID: <CANyhGbsjtK8Futvp=uR+TisM7yfohtJ5naLJHf42KAzVZ=ErUw@mail.gmail.com>

Details can be seen here:
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/ele/3095339396.html

Will ship at your cost, double boxed.

Regards,
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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 25 23:13:58 2012
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:13:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Question - Nak BX-300 Bias
In-Reply-To: <000901cd4294$0ae7f860$20b7e920$@net>
Message-ID: <1340658838.38481.YahooMailClassic@web184720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

My opinion also is to let Willy set it up as he always does. You have a bias control to "tweak" for different tapes. If you cannot get the proper sound with this bias control for a particular tape then the tape is defective and you need to try a different tape.Bob

--- On Mon, 6/4/12, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Question - Nak BX-300 Bias
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, June 4, 2012, 1:53 PM

David, trust me, I perfectly understood your question; my reply was a little bit (or more?) sarcastic…I had recently a 680ZX rebuilt by Willy and let me tell you this: It never crossed my mind to ask him to do what you intend to and  asked here!First, and I’m only speaking about myself now, if I were Willy and each customer would sent in a batch of tapes I would probably go nuts very soon. Second, let’s roll time a little back, to the point where tape selection was not as narrow as today. Do you really believe that these decks are built to only perform on a limited selection of tapes? If so, that would make them very bad machines. I can agree that measurable peak performance is achieved on select tapes, but that would not be audible.Third, and this is something I intended to share a long time ago, there is a fine line between what you do with such a deck and what you expect the deck to do. The fine line needs to be drown where the audible ends and
 only sophisticated gear has access to determine what performance a machine is capable of. Your question is more likely in the domain where your ears are beaten; if you can hear the difference which initiated this topic in the first place, two things can happen: 1. you have fantastic ears, above average by %80 or : 2. the deck is really bad.I can comprehend that some people on this planet are still stuck in the past (take a look into the age of Nak owners), some had the status to own such as they were current and others fulfill their dreams of the legend in recent years. There is a lot of debate about value, price, condition and “must have” upgrades in order to justify all of the above to be on the higher end. If the owner of such would be a normal person (but what is normal these days?), he/she would use the deck for listening, eventually recording, transferring to a less time sensitive media existent recordings or collect them. While for the tasks
 involving the actual usage, a mint functional condition is all it takes, for the collector there are more things to be expected: It has to be in the original factory condition, it has to be mint in terms of appearance and has to perform as close to the manufacturer’s specifications as possible. The collector if genuine will rather give up 10% in performance over a manipulated unit, which might even perform better. This is a valid statement in the collector’s world of any thinkable item. Look into the vintage car market for example: A mint restored vintage model which involves non original parts will sell for a lot (and I mean al lot, like more than half)  less of what a 100% original exemplar of the same model but in a less mint condition will sell.Keep in mind that 100% genuine units fully functional are getting fewer and fewer each day; this will make the price of the very few ones left ,rise as hell…Back to you…  A 300 is for sure not a
 collectible item and I understand that you want it performing like day one; this is not related in any way to the tapes which are available today.Good luck with whatever you decide to do with yours,Adrian    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of David LeClaire
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 11:23 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Question - Nak BX-300 Bias  Adrian, You misunderstood my post.  Of course I trust Willy otherwise I would not have sent it to him. My question was should I send him a batch of Tapes that I plan to use since I do not understand the point of having it Biased for one type of tape. Or does this matter? I am being informed on another Forum to have the BX-300 set up for one type of Tape but I am leery of this due to the short supply.  David  And you ask the distinguished Nak community because you don't trust Willy?

I f I were you, I would let Willy do his job; you might be surprised how
good he is in doing that.

Adrian

 
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of David LeClaire
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:59 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Question - Nak BX-300 Bias



I have sent my Nakamichi BX-300 to Willy Hermann Services for its first service. Had the unit in storage for many years since I am the original owner and I will be recording LP's.

Had an intial thought to have Willy set the Bias for a particular type of Tape but I am now having second thoughts due to supply. I am forced to buy Tapes from eBay so I have this question;

Would it be better to send Willy different types of Tapes and have him tell me the best setting on the Bias Dial?

These are the Tapes that seem to appear on eBay regularly and I have a small group of them,

Type 1 - TDK D type.

Type II's - TDK SA, TDK SA-X, Maxell XLII, and Maxell XLII-S

Type IV - Fuji FR and Sony SR

Thanks in advance for any advice here since I have been far removed from Cassettes and it was an eye opener to see the supply now,

David
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Tue Jun 26 01:07:00 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:07:00 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Question - Nak BX-300 Bias
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Just to report on the end of this thread, David sent me 9 different tapes.
 After recalibrating all the internal adjustments I was able to easily
check the correct position of the front panel bias control and write down
the position for each of the tapes.  There is a broader range in that
control than I had remembered, so it easily accommodates all of the tapes.

After setting the internal adjustments I did the external bias adjustment
by ear with white noise.  As predicted, the adjustment were within one or
two dB  from the settings I established using meters.

Willy

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> My opinion also is to let Willy set it up as he always does. You have a
> bias control to "tweak" for different tapes. If you cannot get the proper
> sound with this bias control for a particular tape then the tape is
> defective and you need to try a different tape.
> Bob
>
> --- On *Mon, 6/4/12, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Question - Nak BX-300 Bias
> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Monday, June 4, 2012, 1:53 PM
>
>
> David,
>
> trust me, I perfectly understood your question; my reply was a little bit
> (or more?) sarcastic…
>
> I had recently a 680ZX rebuilt by Willy and let me tell you this: It never
> crossed my mind to ask him to do what you intend to and  asked here!
>
> First, and I’m only speaking about myself now, if I were Willy and each
> customer would sent in a batch of tapes I would probably go nuts very soon.
> Second, let’s roll time a little back, to the point where tape selection
> was not as narrow as today. Do you really believe that these decks are
> built to only perform on a limited selection of tapes? If so, that would
> make them very bad machines. I can agree that measurable peak performance
> is achieved on select tapes, but that would not be audible.
>
> Third, and this is something I intended to share a long time ago, there is
> a fine line between what you do with such a deck and what you expect the
> deck to do. The fine line needs to be drown where the audible ends and only
> sophisticated gear has access to determine what performance a machine is
> capable of. Your question is more likely in the domain where your ears are
> beaten; if you can hear the difference which initiated this topic in the
> first place, two things can happen: 1. you have fantastic ears, above
> average by %80 or : 2. the deck is really bad.
>
> I can comprehend that some people on this planet are still stuck in the
> past (take a look into the age of Nak owners), some had the status to own
> such as they were current and others fulfill their dreams of the legend in
> recent years. There is a lot of debate about value, price, condition and
> “must have” upgrades in order to justify all of the above to be on the
> higher end.
>
> If the owner of such would be a normal person (but what is normal these
> days?), he/she would use the deck for listening, eventually recording,
> transferring to a less time sensitive media existent recordings or collect
> them. While for the tasks involving the actual usage, a mint functional
> condition is all it takes, for the collector there are more things to be
> expected: It has to be in the original factory condition, it has to be mint
> in terms of appearance and has to perform as close to the manufacturer’s
> specifications as possible. The collector if genuine will rather give up
> 10% in performance over a manipulated unit, which might even perform
> better. This is a valid statement in the collector’s world of any thinkable
> item. Look into the vintage car market for example: A mint restored vintage
> model which involves non original parts will sell for a lot (and I mean al
> lot, like more than half)  less of what a 100% original exemplar of the
> same model but in a less mint condition will sell.
>
> Keep in mind that 100% genuine units fully functional are getting fewer
> and fewer each day; this will make the price of the very few ones left
> ,rise as hell…
>
> Back to you…  A 300 is for sure not a collectible item and I understand
> that you want it performing like day one; this is not related in any way to
> the tapes which are available today.
>
> Good luck with whatever you decide to do with yours,
>
> Adrian
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
> Behalf Of *David LeClaire
> *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2012 11:23 AM
> *To:* naktalk at naks.com
> *Subject:* [naktalk] Re: Question - Nak BX-300 Bias
>
>
>
> Adrian,
>
>
>
> You misunderstood my post.
>
>
>
> Of course I trust Willy otherwise I would not have sent it to him.
>
>
>
> My question was should I send him a batch of Tapes that I plan to use
> since I do not understand the point of having it Biased for one type of
> tape.
>
>
>
> Or does this matter?
>
>
>
> I am being informed on another Forum to have the BX-300 set up for one
> type of Tape but I am leery of this due to the short supply.
>
>
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> And you ask the distinguished Nak community because you don't trust Willy?
>
> I f I were you, I would let Willy do his job; you might be surprised how
> good he is in doing that.
>
> Adrian
>
>
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com<http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk>[mailto:naktalk-bounces
> at naks.com <http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk>] On Behalf
> Of David LeClaire
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:59 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com <http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk>
> Subject: [naktalk] Question - Nak BX-300 Bias
>
>
>
> I have sent my Nakamichi BX-300 to Willy Hermann Services for its first
> service. Had the unit in storage for many years since I am the original
> owner and I will be recording LP's.
>
> Had an intial thought to have Willy set the Bias for a particular type of
> Tape but I am now having second thoughts due to supply. I am forced to buy
> Tapes from eBay so I have this question;
>
> Would it be better to send Willy different types of Tapes and have him
> tell me the best setting on the Bias Dial?
>
> These are the Tapes that seem to appear on eBay regularly and I have a
> small group of them,
>
> Type 1 - TDK D type.
>
> Type II's - TDK SA, TDK SA-X, Maxell XLII, and Maxell XLII-S
>
> Type IV - Fuji FR and Sony SR
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice here since I have been far removed from
> Cassettes and it was an eye opener to see the supply now,
>
> David
>
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From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se  Tue Jun 26 19:25:42 2012
From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:25:42 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CD Player 2
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Message-ID: <949275882E7B444BAF495DE7FAB240F3@superdator>

Hi Doug!

I had the same problem with my CD2. 
I had to replace all capacitors on the RF amp pcb (item 28 p.16 in s/m) before the player came alive.
Before i did this, i replaced the laser unit w/o success.

Good luck/Pelle.


  ----- Original Message ----- . From: Douglas Guth 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:32 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] CD Player 2




  Hello Nak Gurus,

    Anyone seen a CD Player 2 that will typically not read a disc from a cold start?  As soon as I plug in the Nakamichi CD Test Unit the player will read the disc just fine with all of the alignment measurements per spec.  Then when I unplug the Test Unit the player continues to work great.  I got the unit in to replace the belts and noticed this strange behavior.  I asked the owner of the player about it and he said, "Oh yea, it occasionally won't read any disc and then work great for a while".  I tried a new laser, and then a new spindle motor all with no results.  The power supply voltages are all perfect and all suspect solder joints have been touched up.  I've ordered the CXA1082BS CD Servo Signal Processor chip since the spindle motor drive looks a little messy but that's just a guess since the eye pattern looks good.


  p.s. It is a CD Player 2 disguised as a McIntosh MCD 7008.



  Thanks,   

  Doug Guth CTS, BSBE, DMC-E 
  Service Engineer/ Programming - Unified AV Systems
  dguth at unifiedav.com | www.unifiedav.com  
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From hifihospital at gmail.com  Wed Jun 27 13:40:10 2012
From: hifihospital at gmail.com (Douglas Guth)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:40:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: CD Player 2
Message-ID: <CAE5nz2HcyvnfxQQC4U258+yEFuA5hZv1wBZzUfsx-Tt8dtUSGA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Pelle,

  Thank you so much for stirring up my grey cells!  I remember now having
problems with the electrolytic capacitors on the RF Preamp board when I
worked at a Nakamichi dealer service center.  I’ll check that out on my
friend’s unit.



Thanks again!


*Doug Guth *CTS, BSBE, DMC-E
*Service Engineer/ Programming - Unified AV Systems*
dguth at unifiedav.com | www.unifiedav.com
d: 864.478.1866 | m: 864.907.8904 | o: 864.297.8533



> Hi Doug!
>
> I had the same problem with my CD2.
> I had to replace all capacitors on the RF amp pcb (item 28 p.16 in s/m)
> before the player came alive.
> Before i did this, i replaced the laser unit w/o success.
>
> Good luck/Pelle.
>
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- . From: Douglas Guth
>  To: naktalk at naks.com
>  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:32 PM
>  Subject: [naktalk] CD Player 2
>
>
>
>
>  Hello Nak Gurus,
>
>    Anyone seen a CD Player 2 that will typically not read a disc from a
> cold start?  As soon as I plug in the Nakamichi CD Test Unit the player
> will read the disc just fine with all of the alignment measurements per
> spec.  Then when I unplug the Test Unit the player continues to work great.
>  I got the unit in to replace the belts and noticed this strange behavior.
>  I asked the owner of the player about it and he said, "Oh yea, it
> occasionally won't read any disc and then work great for a while".  I tried
> a new laser, and then a new spindle motor all with no results.  The power
> supply voltages are all perfect and all suspect solder joints have been
> touched up.  I've ordered the CXA1082BS CD Servo Signal Processor chip
> since the spindle motor drive looks a little messy but that's just a guess
> since the eye pattern looks good.
>
>
>  p.s. It is a CD Player 2 disguised as a McIntosh MCD 7008.
>
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>
>  Thanks,
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From visser.wj at gmail.com  Wed Jun 27 21:58:12 2012
From: visser.wj at gmail.com (Jeroen Visser)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:58:12 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Repair of left channel of Nakamichi 620
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To any NakTalk readers in the Netherlands, or familiar with repairing
Nakamichi 620s,


Last week suddenly the left channel of my Nakamichi 620 stopped working.
I have switched the cables from my pre-amplifier (Luxman 5C50) from left to
right to ensure it's not the pre-amp which is not working.
Also switched the speaker cables/speakers from left to right to make sure
it's not the speaker which is not working anymore.
When I switch on the Nak, which I normally don't do since it's always
switched on, BOTH LEDs (green/red) sometimes illuminate, also the left one
although that channel doesn't produce any sound anymore.

What could be the cause of this, is the following:
- since some time switching on the pre-amp (which I do switch on/off all
the time) produces a loud sound in the speakers
- my solution for this is: "attenuate" switch on "signal off", then switch
on or off the pre-amp
- unfortunately my wife had not completely understood or remembered the
sequence, since after the left channel has died, she mentioned that the
speakers regularly gave a loud sound in the speakers ...
- clearly I should have explained that better (until a few months ago this
was no issue, but since then I have connected my TV to my pre-amp for sound
as well ... so since then she's also switching on/off the equipment)

My question:
- could I fix this myself, if yes how?
- does anyone know a reliable company/person to repair this (being Dutch it
should be afforable too)

I'm open for any suggestions

+++++++
Text in Dutch:

Sinds vorige week heeft het linkerkanaal van mijn Nak 620 de geest gegeven.
Heb kabels vanaf mijn voorversterker omgedraaid om uit te sluiten dat het
de voorversterker is, ook luidsprekerkabels en luidsprekers omgewisseld om
ook dat uit te sluiten.
Als ik de Nak 620 aanzet, wat eigenlijk nooit gebeurt omdat die altijd
aanstaat, zie ik de 2 leds (groen/rood) links op de Nak soms oplichten, ook
de linker led doet dat nog ondanks dat er geen geluid meer uitkomt, ik weet
niet of dat wellicht helpt voor de diagnose.

Wat wellicht de oorzaak is, is het volgende:
- sinds enige tijd veroorzaakt het aan- en uitzetten van de voorversterker
(die ik wel steeds aan/uit deed/doe) een knal in de luidsprekers
- mijn oplossing daarvoor was: "attenuate" schakelaar op stand "signal
off", dan voorversterker aan- of uitzetten
- helaas had mijn vrouw dat niet helemaal begrepen, nadat het linkerkanaal
de geest had gegeven, zei ze dat de versterker regelmatig een knal gaf bij
aanzetten ...
- dat had ik dus duidelijker uit moeten leggen (tot enige maanden geleden
had ik hier helemaal geen last van, maar ik ben het geluid van mijn TV ook
via audio apparatuur gaan leiden .... sindsdien doet zij apparatuur ook
regelmatig aan/uit)

Mijn vragen:
- kan ik dit zelf repareren, zo ja hoe?
- weet iemand een adres (bedrijf/persoon) om dit te repareren?

Ik hoor graag van jullie.


Met vriendelijke groet/With kind regards,

Jeroen Visser
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  1 00:37:42 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:37:42 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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Hi Adrian,

Eyeballing the lens would not tell you much. Give it a good low with an air bulb and a clean with Windex as my previous email. 

When working with lubricants is to remember the materials the lube is interacting with. For the laser travel screws you want to use Teflon or light silicon based grease rather then oil. This gives the right lubrication level while providing a little damping against over travel. ( heavy greases gives the opposite effect and make travel sluggish). 

Oils are best used for high pressure or high frequency movement joints where lube circulation is more faster and heat dissipation issues kick in. Slower speed movements here don't use too much oil because dust starts to turn that oil into sludge and gunk. 

Bala 


Sent from my iPhone

On 01/03/2012, at 3:02 AM, "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

> This is correct; it is a Teflon based lubricant and it works miracles.
> Adrian
> Update on the OMS-2A
> The disc(s) play but on some of them there are drop outs during play.
> I did not touch the motors, but I will now. I’m going to open it again, clean all moving parts and lube them, also I will use my miracle working “MG Chemicals – NU-Trol Control Cleaner” on the motors.
> The lens looks super clean and shiny. I use a magnifier glass 10x and can tell it’s clean.
> Any suggestions are welcome.
> Thanks,
> Adrian
>  
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth
> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:59 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
>  
> That is a Teflon-based lubricant. Teflon is a miracle chemical. Teflon lubes are also made by Tri-Flow and ZEP.
> 
> A chemist told me that Teflon molecules are shaped something like M&M's, which by their very shape make them slippery and slidey.
> 
> In my repair shop, we've determined, for example, that the best lube for small DC motors is a Teflon-based product. For larger bearings it's somewhat of a tossup between Teflon-based lubed and standard machine oil.
> 
> Fred Longworth
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
> 
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:
> Thanks all!
> I hope the problem was solved. My discs which didn’t play yesterday do it now. The sound is nice, as it was on the discs which did play before.
> I use for cleaning of things like this only professional grade chemicals. Now I used the MG Chemicals “Audio Video HEAD CLEANER”. I cut a strip out of a new microfiber cloth and wind it around the rails; then I pulled on both ends. I manually rotated the motor to move the lens to the other side of the rails and cleaned again.
> After evaluating the way it was designed and the speed and precision it’s supposed to work at, I decided that a very low viscosity lube would be best. I applied two drops of the lube I use on my turntable restoration projects – the one I use for the direct powered belt drive motors. After long time testing and working on turntables, I came to the most satisfactory results using “Finish Line – Dry” Lubricant.
> This is a product designed for the bicycle industry; it’s a high end product, designed in the USA and produced in Canada. It is only to be used in dry conditions. The formula fits perfect the needs for my projects.
> I highly recommend it. It can be found in the “Performance Bicycle” stores.
> I’ll get back with updates if problems will appear.
>  
> Adrian
>  
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:11 PM
> 
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
>  
> Yes.
>  
> Pure isopropanol is fine for plastics. Rubbing alcohol unfortunately contains a mixture of water and isopropanol.
>  
> WD40 is completely unacceptable. Use products by Caig Laboratories, e.g. Caig DeoxIT D5, Caig Faderlube, and Caig GOLD. It is not enough to lubricate. You need to actually remove the oxidation.
>  
> Fred Longworth
> Owner
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
>  
>  
> 
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM, John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com> wrote:
> Hi
>  
> Is Isopropanol OK on plastic?
>  
> I would normally use that, then silicon grease. 
>  
> And Servisol switch cleaner (UK) for any electrical switches. I know a very brilliant electronics engineer who realigns tuners in his sleep and builds single ended amps from scratch etc who uses nothing but WD40 for switch cleaning! Is that OK with you guys?
>  
> Regards
>  
> John Chapman
> ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS
>  
> chapman.w2 at sky.com
>  
> 10 Belmont Terrace
> Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX
> 01872 865505
> 07740 565255
>  
> http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/
>  
>  
> 
>  
> On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:45, Fred Longworth wrote:
>  
> 
> Another poster suggested use of Windex for cleaning the sliderails.
> 
> Neither Windex nor rubbing alcohol are acceptable solvents for use on closely-knitted mechanical systems. The reason for this is that both formulations contain WATER, which has a low viscosity, can seep into crevices and remain there for days or weeks, and which causes oxidation.
> 
> We use ethanol, commonly sold in stores (e.g. Home Depot) as "denatured alcohol." Ethanol evaporates fairly quickly, and does not promote oxidation.
> 
> Fred
> Owner
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
> 
> * * * * *
> 
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:
> The common failures:
> 
> (1) Laser pickup.
> (2) Spin motor.
> (3) Sled (lateral motion) motor.
> (4) Sticky sliderails.
> 
> Fred
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
> 
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:
> I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint condition I did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be cool to have a secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette deck (680ZX), a receiver (SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).
> It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony remote. The sound is not bad at all, but it’s not a given fact that it will play… This being said, I wonder if this is common for these vintage CD players, not to play any given disk or to have interruptions during playback. I have more CD players in my closet than I will ever use(simply nice ones and can’t decide to let go…) and all function flawlessly; the only one which looks really cool in this set-up is the only one giving me headache.
> My question is:
> Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that’s all it can do or does it need attention?
> Thanks,
> Adrian
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From bernardsda at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  1 01:27:27 2012
From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:27:27 +0900
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL transport
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Hi all.


I have a 1000 ZXL of which the transport is not quite what it should be. I want to explore the possibility of having just the transport taken out and sent to someone for servicing (I don't need to tell you the cost of sending the whole deck!) Perhaps someone like Luis or Willy might be able to help. The deck has been unused for a while.

Three things in particular seem not right with the transport: (1) Mechanically, it seems inordinately noisy in play mode; (2) pressing play sometimes results in no action except for a buzzing sound as the system tries to work; in other words, the transport doesn't move up and engage with the tape; With repeated pressing it eventually operates; (3) There is no signal in the right channel. This has been on and off for a while. A number of electronic components (e.g. on the power board and in other places) were replaced some time back, but without affecting this problem; it has been suggested to me that that it is just a matter of the connections going to the head; (4) there is a strong electronic noise on playback; again the upgrade of quite a few of the caps and ics has failed to resolve this.

Thus, my questions are: (1) by having the transport serviced, which (if any) of these issues are likely to be resolved? (2) are there any special cautions when removing the transport? and (3) what are the costs likely to be?

Although there is a techie here in Korea who is quite a clever guy and able to do some quite good work on Nak cassette decks, the language barrier is sometimes a problem and I'm not quite sure the degree to which he understands what I'm asking. I'm certainly not up to removing the transport myself, but I imagine he would be.

Bowers & Wilkins no longer do even this kind of service for a ZXL and Jeff Galin won't touch a deck that has been "tampered with" by a non-Nak expert.

Any suggestions? I'd appreciate your thoughts.

Bernard White


From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  1 02:07:56 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:07:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Output level problem
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I would check whether this is across the frequency spectrum. If so, I would check the internal gain adjustment.
If correct, I suspect a problem in the output circuit. 


-- Ron 





>________________________________
> From: uraldurusu <uraldurusu at ttmail.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:24 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Output level problem
> 
>
>Nakamichi CR7 Output level problem 
>
>
>Hello,
>When I connect my CR7 to a Reel To Reel tape I noticed that the VU Meters of the RTR is moving different then the CR7 (Right channel is lower than the Left). I have connected a milivolt meter to output jacks of CR7 and measured 5.7mV for Right channel and 19.8 mV for Left channel while playing a 315 Hz 0db test tape. But Vu meters of CR7's  both Left and Right are equal and lights up constantly to 0 db level  at the display.
>what will be the reason for this? Meters says no problem but the output is different than the displayed. Any ideas will be appreciated.
>
>Regards,
>
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From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 04:18:05 2012
From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 19:18:05 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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Hi Adrian,

Air bulbs do not clean laser lenses. This is because the #1 cause of
contamination is a *greasy film*. This is the same greasy film that gets on
eyeglasses, your computer screen, the surfaces of records, and the inside
windshield of your car. This greasy film is largely composed of aromatic
oils generated from cooking, plants (e.g. flowers), aerosol sprays, and
automobile exhaust. It is primarily an urban phenomenon.

The greasy film acts as a binder for ordinary atmospheric dust.

Although I use Windex myself when cleaning styli on turntables (largely
because the cyanoacrylates used in styli cements are vulnerable to
alcohol), I do not use it around laser lenses. This is because if the
tiniest amount of Windex falls inside a laser pickup (they are open frame)
it will fall on the face of the beam-splitting prism, and will take hours
to evaporate. I use only alcohols to clean laser lenses. That said, if a
person exercises extreme care and uses a Q-tip that is only slightly moist
with Windex, it can be used with minimal risk.

Skipping is primarily the result of two common causes -- the failure of the
lateral motion system, and the failure of the laser. Lateral motion
failures tend to be due to sticky sliderails or a bad motor. Laser pickup
failures are usually due to aging of the laser diode combined with the
gradual accumulation of contaminants inside the pickup, both on the
backside of the focus lens and on the topside of the beam-splitting prism.

Until about 2005, skipping was more often due to pickup failure than to
lateral motion troubles. The diagnostic "proof" of laser failure would be
that the machine would still play commercially-made CDs, but would mistrack
on homemade (burned) CDs, or on a test CD with a weak data track. In recent
years, more and more sliderails have gummed up, and more and more lateral
motion motors (usually RF-310T-11400) have developed internal failures,
often near short circuits. Also, on Sanyo-type disc drives, the lateral
motion (aka "sled") motor has a tiny gear that cracks.

You can use contact and control cleaner on a small DC motor, but in my
experience it does little good. We lube them with Teflon lube, and replace
them when they fail. If they are rare or "unobtainium" motors, we take them
apart and service the brushes and commutator.

Best,

Fred Longworth
Owner
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com




On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

> This is correct; it is a Teflon based lubricant and it works miracles.****
>
> Adrian****
>
> Update on the OMS-2A****
>
> The disc(s) play but on some of them there are drop outs during play.****
>
> I did not touch the motors, but I will now. I’m going to open it again,
> clean all moving parts and lube them, also I will use my miracle working
> “MG Chemicals – NU-Trol Control Cleaner” on the motors.****
>
> The lens looks super clean and shiny. I use a magnifier glass 10x and can
> tell it’s clean.****
>
> Any suggestions are welcome.****
>
> Thanks,****
>
> Adrian****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Fred Longworth
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:59 AM
>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A****
>
> ** **
>
> That is a Teflon-based lubricant. Teflon is a miracle chemical. Teflon
> lubes are also made by Tri-Flow and ZEP.
>
> A chemist told me that Teflon molecules are shaped something like M&M's,
> which by their very shape make them slippery and slidey.
>
> In my repair shop, we've determined, for example, that the best lube for
> small DC motors is a Teflon-based product. For larger bearings it's
> somewhat of a tossup between Teflon-based lubed and standard machine oil.
>
> Fred Longworth
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com****
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
> wrote:****
>
> Thanks all!****
>
> I hope the problem was solved. My discs which didn’t play yesterday do it
> now. The sound is nice, as it was on the discs which did play before.****
>
> I use for cleaning of things like this only professional grade chemicals.
> Now I used the MG Chemicals “Audio Video HEAD CLEANER”. I cut a strip out
> of a new microfiber cloth and wind it around the rails; then I pulled on
> both ends. I manually rotated the motor to move the lens to the other side
> of the rails and cleaned again.****
>
> After evaluating the way it was designed and the speed and precision it’s
> supposed to work at, I decided that a very low viscosity lube would be
> best. I applied two drops of the lube I use on my turntable restoration
> projects – the one I use for the direct powered belt drive motors. After
> long time testing and working on turntables, I came to the most
> satisfactory results using “Finish Line – Dry” Lubricant.****
>
> This is a product designed for the bicycle industry; it’s a high end
> product, designed in the USA and produced in Canada. It is only to be used
> in dry conditions. The formula fits perfect the needs for my projects.****
>
> I highly recommend it. It can be found in the “Performance Bicycle” stores.
> ****
>
> I’ll get back with updates if problems will appear. ****
>
>  ****
>
> Adrian****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Fred Longworth
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:11 PM****
>
>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks****
>
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A****
>
>  ****
>
> Yes.****
>
>  ****
>
> Pure isopropanol is fine for plastics. Rubbing alcohol unfortunately
> contains a mixture of water and isopropanol.****
>
>  ****
>
> WD40 is completely unacceptable. Use products by Caig Laboratories, e.g.
> Caig DeoxIT D5, Caig Faderlube, and Caig GOLD. It is not enough to
> lubricate. You need to actually remove the oxidation.****
>
>  ****
>
> Fred Longworth****
>
> Owner****
>
> Classic Audio Repair****
>
> www.repairaudio.com****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM, John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com> wrote:*
> ***
>
> Hi****
>
>  ****
>
> Is Isopropanol OK on plastic?****
>
>  ****
>
> I would normally use that, then silicon grease. ****
>
>  ****
>
> And Servisol switch cleaner (UK) for any electrical switches. I know a
> very brilliant electronics engineer who realigns tuners in his sleep and
> builds single ended amps from scratch etc who uses nothing but WD40 for
> switch cleaning! Is that OK with you guys?****
>
>  ****
>
> Regards****
>
>  ****
>
> John Chapman****
>
> ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS****
>
>  ****
>
> chapman.w2 at sky.com****
>
>  ****
>
> 10 Belmont Terrace****
>
> Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX****
>
> 01872 865505****
>
> 07740 565255****
>
>  ****
>
> http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:45, Fred Longworth wrote:****
>
> ** **
>
> Another poster suggested use of Windex for cleaning the sliderails.
>
> Neither Windex nor rubbing alcohol are acceptable solvents for use on
> closely-knitted mechanical systems. The reason for this is that both
> formulations contain WATER, which has a low viscosity, can seep into
> crevices and remain there for days or weeks, and which causes oxidation.
>
> We use ethanol, commonly sold in stores (e.g. Home Depot) as "denatured
> alcohol." Ethanol evaporates fairly quickly, and does not promote oxidation.
>
> Fred
> Owner
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
>
> * * * * *
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Fred Longworth <
> classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:****
>
> The common failures:
>
> (1) Laser pickup.
> (2) Spin motor.
> (3) Sled (lateral motion) motor.
> (4) Sticky sliderails.
>
> Fred
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com****
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
> wrote:****
>
> I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint condition I
> did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be cool to have a
> secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette deck (680ZX), a
> receiver (SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).****
>
> It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony remote.
> The sound is not bad at all, but it’s not a given fact that it will play…
> This being said, I wonder if this is common for these vintage CD players,
> not to play any given disk or to have interruptions during playback. I have
> more CD players in my closet than I will ever use(simply nice ones and
> can’t decide to let go…) and all function flawlessly; the only one which
> looks really cool in this set-up is the only one giving me headache. ****
>
> My question is:****
>
> Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that’s all it can do or
> does it need attention?****
>
> Thanks,****
>
> Adrian****
>
>  ****
>
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Thu Mar  1 05:21:41 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:21:41 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL transport
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Hi Bernard -

I might suggest that the channel drop out could be either mis-adjustment
(or non adjustment) of the DC offset in the play head amp (step one in the
calibration instructions in the manual) or one of the three relays which
foul frequently and are very difficult to clean.  I now have replacements
for the relays but try the DC offset first.

I would be happy to handle the transport rebuild for you if you like.
 Contact me off forum.

Willy

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Bernard White <bernardsda at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Hi all.
>
>
> I have a 1000 ZXL of which the transport is not quite what it should be. I
> want to explore the possibility of having just the transport taken out and
> sent to someone for servicing (I don't need to tell you the cost of sending
> the whole deck!) Perhaps someone like Luis or Willy might be able to help.
> The deck has been unused for a while.
>
> Three things in particular seem not right with the transport: (1)
> Mechanically, it seems inordinately noisy in play mode; (2) pressing play
> sometimes results in no action except for a buzzing sound as the system
> tries to work; in other words, the transport doesn't move up and engage
> with the tape; With repeated pressing it eventually operates; (3) There is
> no signal in the right channel. This has been on and off for a while. A
> number of electronic components (e.g. on the power board and in other
> places) were replaced some time back, but without affecting this problem;
> it has been suggested to me that that it is just a matter of the
> connections going to the head; (4) there is a strong electronic noise on
> playback; again the upgrade of quite a few of the caps and ics has failed
> to resolve this.
>
> Thus, my questions are: (1) by having the transport serviced, which (if
> any) of these issues are likely to be resolved? (2) are there any special
> cautions when removing the transport? and (3) what are the costs likely to
> be?
>
> Although there is a techie here in Korea who is quite a clever guy and
> able to do some quite good work on Nak cassette decks, the language barrier
> is sometimes a problem and I'm not quite sure the degree to which he
> understands what I'm asking. I'm certainly not up to removing the transport
> myself, but I imagine he would be.
>
> Bowers & Wilkins no longer do even this kind of service for a ZXL and Jeff
> Galin won't touch a deck that has been "tampered with" by a non-Nak expert.
>
> Any suggestions? I'd appreciate your thoughts.
>
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  1 06:31:28 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 15:31:28 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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Fred,

I have used Windex on many players including Nakamichi players with excellent results. So are some well renowned service companies that work on digital equipment.  Prior to doing that, it's important to get dust off the lens lest we scratch the lens whilst cleaning it with a cotton tip. Obviously I do such work in a relatively dust free environment inside an air conditioned environment away from my wife's wonderful cooking and her plants. Same place where my Nikon lenses get cleaned and in food condition.  And the air bulb is used for that and cleaning the sensors and light boxes in my DSLRs. 

I suppose we as experience people should help others exercise due diligence then try scaring them away with ominous things that could happen. Because then I realize that when they eventually pluck up the courage to do the work, good old Murphy starts his work. 

I prefer to encourage them and wish them happy listening ever after. We have to change this very pessimistic tone of this forum. As always, if this message makes it through, I am sure the moderators agree with me. 

Bala

Sent from my iPhone

On 01/03/2012, at 1:18 PM, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
> 
> Air bulbs do not clean laser lenses. This is because the #1 cause of contamination is a greasy film. This is the same greasy film that gets on eyeglasses, your computer screen, the surfaces of records, and the inside windshield of your car. This greasy film is largely composed of aromatic oils generated from cooking, plants (e.g. flowers), aerosol sprays, and automobile exhaust. It is primarily an urban phenomenon.
> 
> The greasy film acts as a binder for ordinary atmospheric dust.
> 
> Although I use Windex myself when cleaning styli on turntables (largely because the cyanoacrylates used in styli cements are vulnerable to alcohol), I do not use it around laser lenses. This is because if the tiniest amount of Windex falls inside a laser pickup (they are open frame) it will fall on the face of the beam-splitting prism, and will take hours to evaporate. I use only alcohols to clean laser lenses. That said, if a person exercises extreme care and uses a Q-tip that is only slightly moist with Windex, it can be used with minimal risk.
> 
> Skipping is primarily the result of two common causes -- the failure of the lateral motion system, and the failure of the laser. Lateral motion failures tend to be due to sticky sliderails or a bad motor. Laser pickup failures are usually due to aging of the laser diode combined with the gradual accumulation of contaminants inside the pickup, both on the backside of the focus lens and on the topside of the beam-splitting prism.
> 
> Until about 2005, skipping was more often due to pickup failure than to lateral motion troubles. The diagnostic "proof" of laser failure would be that the machine would still play commercially-made CDs, but would mistrack on homemade (burned) CDs, or on a test CD with a weak data track. In recent years, more and more sliderails have gummed up, and more and more lateral motion motors (usually RF-310T-11400) have developed internal failures, often near short circuits. Also, on Sanyo-type disc drives, the lateral motion (aka "sled") motor has a tiny gear that cracks.
> 
> You can use contact and control cleaner on a small DC motor, but in my experience it does little good. We lube them with Teflon lube, and replace them when they fail. If they are rare or "unobtainium" motors, we take them apart and service the brushes and commutator.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Fred Longworth
> Owner
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:
> This is correct; it is a Teflon based lubricant and it works miracles.
> 
> Adrian
> 
> Update on the OMS-2A
> 
> The disc(s) play but on some of them there are drop outs during play.
> 
> I did not touch the motors, but I will now. I’m going to open it again, clean all moving parts and lube them, also I will use my miracle working “MG Chemicals – NU-Trol Control Cleaner” on the motors.
> 
> The lens looks super clean and shiny. I use a magnifier glass 10x and can tell it’s clean.
> 
> Any suggestions are welcome.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Adrian
> 
>  
> 
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth
> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:59 AM
> 
> 
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
>  
> 
> That is a Teflon-based lubricant. Teflon is a miracle chemical. Teflon lubes are also made by Tri-Flow and ZEP.
> 
> A chemist told me that Teflon molecules are shaped something like M&M's, which by their very shape make them slippery and slidey.
> 
> In my repair shop, we've determined, for example, that the best lube for small DC motors is a Teflon-based product. For larger bearings it's somewhat of a tossup between Teflon-based lubed and standard machine oil.
> 
> Fred Longworth
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
> 
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks all!
> 
> I hope the problem was solved. My discs which didn’t play yesterday do it now. The sound is nice, as it was on the discs which did play before.
> 
> I use for cleaning of things like this only professional grade chemicals. Now I used the MG Chemicals “Audio Video HEAD CLEANER”. I cut a strip out of a new microfiber cloth and wind it around the rails; then I pulled on both ends. I manually rotated the motor to move the lens to the other side of the rails and cleaned again.
> 
> After evaluating the way it was designed and the speed and precision it’s supposed to work at, I decided that a very low viscosity lube would be best. I applied two drops of the lube I use on my turntable restoration projects – the one I use for the direct powered belt drive motors. After long time testing and working on turntables, I came to the most satisfactory results using “Finish Line – Dry” Lubricant.
> 
> This is a product designed for the bicycle industry; it’s a high end product, designed in the USA and produced in Canada. It is only to be used in dry conditions. The formula fits perfect the needs for my projects.
> 
> I highly recommend it. It can be found in the “Performance Bicycle” stores.
> 
> I’ll get back with updates if problems will appear.
> 
>  
> 
> Adrian
> 
>  
> 
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:11 PM
> 
> 
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> 
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
> 
>  
> 
> Yes.
> 
>  
> 
> Pure isopropanol is fine for plastics. Rubbing alcohol unfortunately contains a mixture of water and isopropanol.
> 
>  
> 
> WD40 is completely unacceptable. Use products by Caig Laboratories, e.g. Caig DeoxIT D5, Caig Faderlube, and Caig GOLD. It is not enough to lubricate. You need to actually remove the oxidation.
> 
>  
> 
> Fred Longworth
> 
> Owner
> 
> Classic Audio Repair
> 
> www.repairaudio.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM, John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
>  
> 
> Is Isopropanol OK on plastic?
> 
>  
> 
> I would normally use that, then silicon grease. 
> 
>  
> 
> And Servisol switch cleaner (UK) for any electrical switches. I know a very brilliant electronics engineer who realigns tuners in his sleep and builds single ended amps from scratch etc who uses nothing but WD40 for switch cleaning! Is that OK with you guys?
> 
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
>  
> 
> John Chapman
> 
> ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS
> 
>  
> 
> chapman.w2 at sky.com
> 
>  
> 
> 10 Belmont Terrace
> 
> Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX
> 
> 01872 865505
> 
> 07740 565255
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:45, Fred Longworth wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Another poster suggested use of Windex for cleaning the sliderails.
> 
> Neither Windex nor rubbing alcohol are acceptable solvents for use on closely-knitted mechanical systems. The reason for this is that both formulations contain WATER, which has a low viscosity, can seep into crevices and remain there for days or weeks, and which causes oxidation.
> 
> We use ethanol, commonly sold in stores (e.g. Home Depot) as "denatured alcohol." Ethanol evaporates fairly quickly, and does not promote oxidation.
> 
> Fred
> Owner
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
> 
> * * * * *
> 
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The common failures:
> 
> (1) Laser pickup.
> (2) Spin motor.
> (3) Sled (lateral motion) motor.
> (4) Sticky sliderails.
> 
> Fred
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
> 
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:
> 
> I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint condition I did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be cool to have a secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette deck (680ZX), a receiver (SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).
> 
> It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony remote. The sound is not bad at all, but it’s not a given fact that it will play… This being said, I wonder if this is common for these vintage CD players, not to play any given disk or to have interruptions during playback. I have more CD players in my closet than I will ever use(simply nice ones and can’t decide to let go…) and all function flawlessly; the only one which looks really cool in this set-up is the only one giving me headache.
> 
> My question is:
> 
> Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that’s all it can do or does it need attention?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Adrian
> 
>  
> 
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  1 06:33:51 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 15:33:51 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL transport
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Hi Bernard,

I suggest you send the while deck for a service. The transport needs work but then it has to be calibrated with the electronics which are in the deck. It is possible to do it separately but it would not be a complete job. 

Send the whole deck to a good tech and listen to the music in peace afterwards. 

Bala 

Sent from my iPhone

On 01/03/2012, at 10:27 AM, Bernard White <bernardsda at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> 
> I have a 1000 ZXL of which the transport is not quite what it should be. I want to explore the possibility of having just the transport taken out and sent to someone for servicing (I don't need to tell you the cost of sending the whole deck!) Perhaps someone like Luis or Willy might be able to help. The deck has been unused for a while.
> 
> Three things in particular seem not right with the transport: (1) Mechanically, it seems inordinately noisy in play mode; (2) pressing play sometimes results in no action except for a buzzing sound as the system tries to work; in other words, the transport doesn't move up and engage with the tape; With repeated pressing it eventually operates; (3) There is no signal in the right channel. This has been on and off for a while. A number of electronic components (e.g. on the power board and in other places) were replaced some time back, but without affecting this problem; it has been suggested to me that that it is just a matter of the connections going to the head; (4) there is a strong electronic noise on playback; again the upgrade of quite a few of the caps and ics has failed to resolve this.
> 
> Thus, my questions are: (1) by having the transport serviced, which (if any) of these issues are likely to be resolved? (2) are there any special cautions when removing the transport? and (3) what are the costs likely to be?
> 
> Although there is a techie here in Korea who is quite a clever guy and able to do some quite good work on Nak cassette decks, the language barrier is sometimes a problem and I'm not quite sure the degree to which he understands what I'm asking. I'm certainly not up to removing the transport myself, but I imagine he would be.
> 
> Bowers & Wilkins no longer do even this kind of service for a ZXL and Jeff Galin won't touch a deck that has been "tampered with" by a non-Nak expert.
> 
> Any suggestions? I'd appreciate your thoughts.
> 
> Bernard White
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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Thu Mar  1 09:45:21 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 09:45:21 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Troubleshooting Display unit Nakamichi CR7
Message-ID: <20120301094521.14936axibxom4e80@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>

Hi all,

I have a problem with a CR7.
The display gives a very little light. You have to look twice to see  
something on the display.
The repair shop here in the netherlands who has examined the machine,  
gives me a burned out display unit as reason.
I have measured the voltage on CN20 and that gives me a 7 volt AC .
The manual mentioned 3,25 volt twice. How do i have to read these  
values? . Twice 3,25 Volt makes 6,5 volt or do i have to measure 3,25  
volt?
Is it possible that to high voltage makes the display burning out? Are  
there other common reasons for this behaviour?
Is there someone who has a spare display unit on the shelf?

Some help would be appreciated on this one. Optical it is a very  
decent deck so i would be glad to give it a second life.

Regards Norman



From adrian at mechner.net  Thu Mar  1 02:58:47 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:58:47 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL transport
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Allow me a few words to this issue, please.
First of all, if you're in USA., shipping a well packed deck like yours with
FedEx will not exceed $40 cross country. For a unit like that, brought back
to life this is not an amount you should worry because the gain in value
will cover 10 times your expenses.
Second and most important, sending to someone only the transport might be
your worst bet. Not only could the malfunction be in a different place, like
one of the IC that drives it, but you might want the service to make sure it
works. You assume that the service would have a unit of the same type to
test it, which I would not bet on... 
My 2 cents of wisdom: If you own a deck worth what a good 1000 ZXL is worth,
you should send it over to the right place for service; In US that would be
Willy.
Adrian

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Bernard White
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:27 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL transport

Hi all.


I have a 1000 ZXL of which the transport is not quite what it should be. I
want to explore the possibility of having just the transport taken out and
sent to someone for servicing (I don't need to tell you the cost of sending
the whole deck!) Perhaps someone like Luis or Willy might be able to help.
The deck has been unused for a while.

Three things in particular seem not right with the transport: (1)
Mechanically, it seems inordinately noisy in play mode; (2) pressing play
sometimes results in no action except for a buzzing sound as the system
tries to work; in other words, the transport doesn't move up and engage with
the tape; With repeated pressing it eventually operates; (3) There is no
signal in the right channel. This has been on and off for a while. A number
of electronic components (e.g. on the power board and in other places) were
replaced some time back, but without affecting this problem; it has been
suggested to me that that it is just a matter of the connections going to
the head; (4) there is a strong electronic noise on playback; again the
upgrade of quite a few of the caps and ics has failed to resolve this.

Thus, my questions are: (1) by having the transport serviced, which (if any)
of these issues are likely to be resolved? (2) are there any special
cautions when removing the transport? and (3) what are the costs likely to
be?

Although there is a techie here in Korea who is quite a clever guy and able
to do some quite good work on Nak cassette decks, the language barrier is
sometimes a problem and I'm not quite sure the degree to which he
understands what I'm asking. I'm certainly not up to removing the transport
myself, but I imagine he would be.

Bowers & Wilkins no longer do even this kind of service for a ZXL and Jeff
Galin won't touch a deck that has been "tampered with" by a non-Nak expert.

Any suggestions? I'd appreciate your thoughts.

Bernard White
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From adrian at mechner.net  Thu Mar  1 05:44:54 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:44:54 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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Hi Fred,

Thanks for the time you take to help me find what's wrong. The failure you
described with the non commercial disks is very close to what actually
happens. I noticed it plays very well the commercial ones, but it starts to
malfunction as soon as I insert a homemade one. Do you suggest that I should
take the lens assemble apart? 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Fred Longworth
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:18 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A

 

Hi Adrian,

 

Air bulbs do not clean laser lenses. This is because the #1 cause of
contamination is a greasy film. This is the same greasy film that gets on
eyeglasses, your computer screen, the surfaces of records, and the inside
windshield of your car. This greasy film is largely composed of aromatic
oils generated from cooking, plants (e.g. flowers), aerosol sprays, and
automobile exhaust. It is primarily an urban phenomenon.

 

The greasy film acts as a binder for ordinary atmospheric dust.

 

Although I use Windex myself when cleaning styli on turntables (largely
because the cyanoacrylates used in styli cements are vulnerable to alcohol),
I do not use it around laser lenses. This is because if the tiniest amount
of Windex falls inside a laser pickup (they are open frame) it will fall on
the face of the beam-splitting prism, and will take hours to evaporate. I
use only alcohols to clean laser lenses. That said, if a person exercises
extreme care and uses a Q-tip that is only slightly moist with Windex, it
can be used with minimal risk.

 

Skipping is primarily the result of two common causes -- the failure of the
lateral motion system, and the failure of the laser. Lateral motion failures
tend to be due to sticky sliderails or a bad motor. Laser pickup failures
are usually due to aging of the laser diode combined with the gradual
accumulation of contaminants inside the pickup, both on the backside of the
focus lens and on the topside of the beam-splitting prism.

 

Until about 2005, skipping was more often due to pickup failure than to
lateral motion troubles. The diagnostic "proof" of laser failure would be
that the machine would still play commercially-made CDs, but would mistrack
on homemade (burned) CDs, or on a test CD with a weak data track. In recent
years, more and more sliderails have gummed up, and more and more lateral
motion motors (usually RF-310T-11400) have developed internal failures,
often near short circuits. Also, on Sanyo-type disc drives, the lateral
motion (aka "sled") motor has a tiny gear that cracks.

 

You can use contact and control cleaner on a small DC motor, but in my
experience it does little good. We lube them with Teflon lube, and replace
them when they fail. If they are rare or "unobtainium" motors, we take them
apart and service the brushes and commutator.

 

Best,

 

Fred Longworth

Owner

Classic Audio Repair

www.repairaudio.com

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

This is correct; it is a Teflon based lubricant and it works miracles.

Adrian

Update on the OMS-2A

The disc(s) play but on some of them there are drop outs during play.

I did not touch the motors, but I will now. I'm going to open it again,
clean all moving parts and lube them, also I will use my miracle working "MG
Chemicals - NU-Trol Control Cleaner" on the motors.

The lens looks super clean and shiny. I use a magnifier glass 10x and can
tell it's clean.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Fred Longworth
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:59 AM


To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A

 

That is a Teflon-based lubricant. Teflon is a miracle chemical. Teflon lubes
are also made by Tri-Flow and ZEP.

A chemist told me that Teflon molecules are shaped something like M&M's,
which by their very shape make them slippery and slidey.

In my repair shop, we've determined, for example, that the best lube for
small DC motors is a Teflon-based product. For larger bearings it's somewhat
of a tossup between Teflon-based lubed and standard machine oil.

Fred Longworth
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

Thanks all!

I hope the problem was solved. My discs which didn't play yesterday do it
now. The sound is nice, as it was on the discs which did play before.

I use for cleaning of things like this only professional grade chemicals.
Now I used the MG Chemicals "Audio Video HEAD CLEANER". I cut a strip out of
a new microfiber cloth and wind it around the rails; then I pulled on both
ends. I manually rotated the motor to move the lens to the other side of the
rails and cleaned again.

After evaluating the way it was designed and the speed and precision it's
supposed to work at, I decided that a very low viscosity lube would be best.
I applied two drops of the lube I use on my turntable restoration projects -
the one I use for the direct powered belt drive motors. After long time
testing and working on turntables, I came to the most satisfactory results
using "Finish Line - Dry" Lubricant.

This is a product designed for the bicycle industry; it's a high end
product, designed in the USA and produced in Canada. It is only to be used
in dry conditions. The formula fits perfect the needs for my projects.

I highly recommend it. It can be found in the "Performance Bicycle" stores.

I'll get back with updates if problems will appear. 

 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Fred Longworth
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:11 PM


To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks

Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A

 

Yes.

 

Pure isopropanol is fine for plastics. Rubbing alcohol unfortunately
contains a mixture of water and isopropanol.

 

WD40 is completely unacceptable. Use products by Caig Laboratories, e.g.
Caig DeoxIT D5, Caig Faderlube, and Caig GOLD. It is not enough to
lubricate. You need to actually remove the oxidation.

 

Fred Longworth

Owner

Classic Audio Repair

www.repairaudio.com

 

 

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM, John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com> wrote:

Hi

 

Is Isopropanol OK on plastic?

 

I would normally use that, then silicon grease. 

 

And Servisol switch cleaner (UK) for any electrical switches. I know a very
brilliant electronics engineer who realigns tuners in his sleep and builds
single ended amps from scratch etc who uses nothing but WD40 for switch
cleaning! Is that OK with you guys?

 

Regards

 

John Chapman

ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS

 

chapman.w2 at sky.com

 

10 Belmont Terrace

Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX

01872 865505

07740 565255

 

http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/

 

 

 

On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:45, Fred Longworth wrote:

 

Another poster suggested use of Windex for cleaning the sliderails.

Neither Windex nor rubbing alcohol are acceptable solvents for use on
closely-knitted mechanical systems. The reason for this is that both
formulations contain WATER, which has a low viscosity, can seep into
crevices and remain there for days or weeks, and which causes oxidation.

We use ethanol, commonly sold in stores (e.g. Home Depot) as "denatured
alcohol." Ethanol evaporates fairly quickly, and does not promote oxidation.

Fred
Owner
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

* * * * *

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Fred Longworth
<classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:

The common failures:

(1) Laser pickup.
(2) Spin motor.
(3) Sled (lateral motion) motor.
(4) Sticky sliderails.

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint condition I
did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be cool to have a
secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette deck (680ZX), a receiver
(SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).

It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony remote. The
sound is not bad at all, but it's not a given fact that it will play. This
being said, I wonder if this is common for these vintage CD players, not to
play any given disk or to have interruptions during playback. I have more CD
players in my closet than I will ever use(simply nice ones and can't decide
to let go.) and all function flawlessly; the only one which looks really
cool in this set-up is the only one giving me headache. 

My question is:

Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that's all it can do or does
it need attention?

Thanks,

Adrian

 

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From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 23:34:13 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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Thanks all! Update on my OMS-2A

After doing the job with the rails and the problem not having solved (some cleaning there and Teflon lube is never a bad thing), I went into cleaning the lens. I used a Q-Tip which had been wetened with “ZEP commercial” This is a professional strength foaming glass cleaner which we use for almost everything in our household. I love the fact that it’s mild on sensitive surfaces, yet cleans perfect and evaporates almost instantly. Well, I cleaned the lens and there still was no improvement on the jumping error. I left it open and took a very close look to what happens. I had my headphones on and could realize that one disc is like in FF CUE mode. It was playing much faster. I pressed the black plate which holds the disk in place and it started playing beautifully.  I took off my hand and it started jumping and playing to fast; I pressed it again and it went back to normal.

I went back to the spring which does the pressing job and I pulled it apart like making it a little bit longer, then I put the plate back. Now it plays all my discs which I went over the last days and had problems with.

I listen for almost one hour now and it never jumped again. I go from track 1 to 9 to 17… everything is just fine.

I am tempted to say that all small jobs (cleaning and lubing the rails and cleaning the lens helped) but I was also lucky to find the main reason for the malfunction. This can be called metal fatigue and is not so uncommon for an old spring as this one is. It will need replacement in time and I’m looking forward to find a jounger one, eventually a new one.

If problems will come back I’ll post them.

Thanks again for all your effort to help me out,

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:31 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A

 

Fred,

 

I have used Windex on many players including Nakamichi players with excellent results. So are some well renowned service companies that work on digital equipment.  Prior to doing that, it's important to get dust off the lens lest we scratch the lens whilst cleaning it with a cotton tip. Obviously I do such work in a relatively dust free environment inside an air conditioned environment away from my wife's wonderful cooking and her plants. Same place where my Nikon lenses get cleaned and in food condition.  And the air bulb is used for that and cleaning the sensors and light boxes in my DSLRs. 

 

I suppose we as experience people should help others exercise due diligence then try scaring them away with ominous things that could happen. Because then I realize that when they eventually pluck up the courage to do the work, good old Murphy starts his work. 

 

I prefer to encourage them and wish them happy listening ever after. We have to change this very pessimistic tone of this forum. As always, if this message makes it through, I am sure the moderators agree with me. 

 

Bala

Sent from my iPhone


On 01/03/2012, at 1:18 PM, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Adrian,

 

Air bulbs do not clean laser lenses. This is because the #1 cause of contamination is a greasy film. This is the same greasy film that gets on eyeglasses, your computer screen, the surfaces of records, and the inside windshield of your car. This greasy film is largely composed of aromatic oils generated from cooking, plants (e.g. flowers), aerosol sprays, and automobile exhaust. It is primarily an urban phenomenon.

 

The greasy film acts as a binder for ordinary atmospheric dust.

 

Although I use Windex myself when cleaning styli on turntables (largely because the cyanoacrylates used in styli cements are vulnerable to alcohol), I do not use it around laser lenses. This is because if the tiniest amount of Windex falls inside a laser pickup (they are open frame) it will fall on the face of the beam-splitting prism, and will take hours to evaporate. I use only alcohols to clean laser lenses. That said, if a person exercises extreme care and uses a Q-tip that is only slightly moist with Windex, it can be used with minimal risk.

 

Skipping is primarily the result of two common causes -- the failure of the lateral motion system, and the failure of the laser. Lateral motion failures tend to be due to sticky sliderails or a bad motor. Laser pickup failures are usually due to aging of the laser diode combined with the gradual accumulation of contaminants inside the pickup, both on the backside of the focus lens and on the topside of the beam-splitting prism.

 

Until about 2005, skipping was more often due to pickup failure than to lateral motion troubles. The diagnostic "proof" of laser failure would be that the machine would still play commercially-made CDs, but would mistrack on homemade (burned) CDs, or on a test CD with a weak data track. In recent years, more and more sliderails have gummed up, and more and more lateral motion motors (usually RF-310T-11400) have developed internal failures, often near short circuits. Also, on Sanyo-type disc drives, the lateral motion (aka "sled") motor has a tiny gear that cracks.

 

You can use contact and control cleaner on a small DC motor, but in my experience it does little good. We lube them with Teflon lube, and replace them when they fail. If they are rare or "unobtainium" motors, we take them apart and service the brushes and commutator.

 

Best,

 

Fred Longworth

Owner

Classic Audio Repair

www.repairaudio.com

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

This is correct; it is a Teflon based lubricant and it works miracles.

Adrian

Update on the OMS-2A

The disc(s) play but on some of them there are drop outs during play.

I did not touch the motors, but I will now. I’m going to open it again, clean all moving parts and lube them, also I will use my miracle working “MG Chemicals – NU-Trol Control Cleaner” on the motors.

The lens looks super clean and shiny. I use a magnifier glass 10x and can tell it’s clean.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:59 AM


To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A

 

That is a Teflon-based lubricant. Teflon is a miracle chemical. Teflon lubes are also made by Tri-Flow and ZEP.

A chemist told me that Teflon molecules are shaped something like M&M's, which by their very shape make them slippery and slidey.

In my repair shop, we've determined, for example, that the best lube for small DC motors is a Teflon-based product. For larger bearings it's somewhat of a tossup between Teflon-based lubed and standard machine oil.

Fred Longworth
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

Thanks all!

I hope the problem was solved. My discs which didn’t play yesterday do it now. The sound is nice, as it was on the discs which did play before.

I use for cleaning of things like this only professional grade chemicals. Now I used the MG Chemicals “Audio Video HEAD CLEANER”. I cut a strip out of a new microfiber cloth and wind it around the rails; then I pulled on both ends. I manually rotated the motor to move the lens to the other side of the rails and cleaned again.

After evaluating the way it was designed and the speed and precision it’s supposed to work at, I decided that a very low viscosity lube would be best. I applied two drops of the lube I use on my turntable restoration projects – the one I use for the direct powered belt drive motors. After long time testing and working on turntables, I came to the most satisfactory results using “Finish Line – Dry” Lubricant.

This is a product designed for the bicycle industry; it’s a high end product, designed in the USA and produced in Canada. It is only to be used in dry conditions. The formula fits perfect the needs for my projects.

I highly recommend it. It can be found in the “Performance Bicycle” stores.

I’ll get back with updates if problems will appear. 

 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:11 PM


To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks

Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A

 

Yes.

 

Pure isopropanol is fine for plastics. Rubbing alcohol unfortunately contains a mixture of water and isopropanol.

 

WD40 is completely unacceptable. Use products by Caig Laboratories, e.g. Caig DeoxIT D5, Caig Faderlube, and Caig GOLD. It is not enough to lubricate. You need to actually remove the oxidation.

 

Fred Longworth

Owner

Classic Audio Repair

www.repairaudio.com

 

 

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM, John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com> wrote:

Hi

 

Is Isopropanol OK on plastic?

 

I would normally use that, then silicon grease. 

 

And Servisol switch cleaner (UK) for any electrical switches. I know a very brilliant electronics engineer who realigns tuners in his sleep and builds single ended amps from scratch etc who uses nothing but WD40 for switch cleaning! Is that OK with you guys?

 

Regards

 

John Chapman

ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS

 

chapman.w2 at sky.com

 

10 Belmont Terrace

Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX

01872 865505

07740 565255

 

http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/

 

 

 

On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:45, Fred Longworth wrote:

 

Another poster suggested use of Windex for cleaning the sliderails.

Neither Windex nor rubbing alcohol are acceptable solvents for use on closely-knitted mechanical systems. The reason for this is that both formulations contain WATER, which has a low viscosity, can seep into crevices and remain there for days or weeks, and which causes oxidation.

We use ethanol, commonly sold in stores (e.g. Home Depot) as "denatured alcohol." Ethanol evaporates fairly quickly, and does not promote oxidation.

Fred
Owner
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

* * * * *

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:

The common failures:

(1) Laser pickup.
(2) Spin motor.
(3) Sled (lateral motion) motor.
(4) Sticky sliderails.

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint condition I did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be cool to have a secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette deck (680ZX), a receiver (SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).

It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony remote. The sound is not bad at all, but it’s not a given fact that it will play… This being said, I wonder if this is common for these vintage CD players, not to play any given disk or to have interruptions during playback. I have more CD players in my closet than I will ever use(simply nice ones and can’t decide to let go…) and all function flawlessly; the only one which looks really cool in this set-up is the only one giving me headache. 

My question is:

Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that’s all it can do or does it need attention?

Thanks,

Adrian

 

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From george.valkov at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 11:00:32 2012
From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:00:32 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL transport
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"First of all, if you're in USA"

>>>

"there is a techie here in Korea"

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

> Allow me a few words to this issue, please.
> First of all, if you're in USA., shipping a well packed deck like yours
> with
> FedEx will not exceed $40 cross country. For a unit like that, brought back
> to life this is not an amount you should worry because the gain in value
> will cover 10 times your expenses.
> Second and most important, sending to someone only the transport might be
> your worst bet. Not only could the malfunction be in a different place,
> like
> one of the IC that drives it, but you might want the service to make sure
> it
> works. You assume that the service would have a unit of the same type to
> test it, which I would not bet on...
> My 2 cents of wisdom: If you own a deck worth what a good 1000 ZXL is
> worth,
> you should send it over to the right place for service; In US that would be
> Willy.
> Adrian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of Bernard White
> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:27 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] ZXL transport
>
> Hi all.
>
>
> I have a 1000 ZXL of which the transport is not quite what it should be. I
> want to explore the possibility of having just the transport taken out and
> sent to someone for servicing (I don't need to tell you the cost of sending
> the whole deck!) Perhaps someone like Luis or Willy might be able to help.
> The deck has been unused for a while.
>
> Three things in particular seem not right with the transport: (1)
> Mechanically, it seems inordinately noisy in play mode; (2) pressing play
> sometimes results in no action except for a buzzing sound as the system
> tries to work; in other words, the transport doesn't move up and engage
> with
> the tape; With repeated pressing it eventually operates; (3) There is no
> signal in the right channel. This has been on and off for a while. A number
> of electronic components (e.g. on the power board and in other places) were
> replaced some time back, but without affecting this problem; it has been
> suggested to me that that it is just a matter of the connections going to
> the head; (4) there is a strong electronic noise on playback; again the
> upgrade of quite a few of the caps and ics has failed to resolve this.
>
> Thus, my questions are: (1) by having the transport serviced, which (if
> any)
> of these issues are likely to be resolved? (2) are there any special
> cautions when removing the transport? and (3) what are the costs likely to
> be?
>
> Although there is a techie here in Korea who is quite a clever guy and able
> to do some quite good work on Nak cassette decks, the language barrier is
> sometimes a problem and I'm not quite sure the degree to which he
> understands what I'm asking. I'm certainly not up to removing the transport
> myself, but I imagine he would be.
>
> Bowers & Wilkins no longer do even this kind of service for a ZXL and Jeff
> Galin won't touch a deck that has been "tampered with" by a non-Nak expert.
>
> Any suggestions? I'd appreciate your thoughts.
>
> Bernard White
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 10:56:12 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:56:12 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL transport
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Hi Bernard !

Like Bala says,  a mechanic does need the com-led Deck.

I will sell a ZXL and   ship it in the next weeks.

I do It Like a idea from Japan.

First cover  the Deck  with a good plastic back, or two.


Give it in a small Box and fill the place in this box  with form in  
Place Spray.

The plastic bag has to be com-bleed closed!

The form  will dray out in minutes , it does hold the Deck  better,  
more exact than  old Styropor).

After that  take this box and back it again, plus  very soft  
Material. all that in a second Box.

That soft material does  absorb shocks by a falling packet.

The Best would be a   Flight Case instead of the second Box.

How ever you pack, nothing should  push against the Cassette  
Compartment.

The people in from the middle age, who transported lots of Glasses ,  
did that by giving  the Glasses in warm, liquid Butter.

The Butter did get normal. and the expensive Glasses did get stocked  
in the Butter.

gerhard

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Am 01.03.2012 um 01:27 schrieb Bernard White:

> Hi all.
>
>
> I have a 1000 ZXL of which the transport is not quite what it  
> should be. I want to explore the possibility of having just the  
> transport taken out and sent to someone for servicing (I don't need  
> to tell you the cost of sending the whole deck!) Perhaps someone  
> like Luis or Willy might be able to help. The deck has been unused  
> for a while.
>
> Three things in particular seem not right with the transport: (1)  
> Mechanically, it seems inordinately noisy in play mode; (2)  
> pressing play sometimes results in no action except for a buzzing  
> sound as the system tries to work; in other words, the transport  
> doesn't move up and engage with the tape; With repeated pressing it  
> eventually operates; (3) There is no signal in the right channel.  
> This has been on and off for a while. A number of electronic  
> components (e.g. on the power board and in other places) were  
> replaced some time back, but without affecting this problem; it has  
> been suggested to me that that it is just a matter of the  
> connections going to the head; (4) there is a strong electronic  
> noise on playback; again the upgrade of quite a few of the caps and  
> ics has failed to resolve this.
>
> Thus, my questions are: (1) by having the transport serviced, which  
> (if any) of these issues are likely to be resolved? (2) are there  
> any special cautions when removing the transport? and (3) what are  
> the costs likely to be?
>
> Although there is a techie here in Korea who is quite a clever guy  
> and able to do some quite good work on Nak cassette decks, the  
> language barrier is sometimes a problem and I'm not quite sure the  
> degree to which he understands what I'm asking. I'm certainly not  
> up to removing the transport myself, but I imagine he would be.
>
> Bowers & Wilkins no longer do even this kind of service for a ZXL  
> and Jeff Galin won't touch a deck that has been "tampered with" by  
> a non-Nak expert.
>
> Any suggestions? I'd appreciate your thoughts.
>
> Bernard White
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From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Thu Mar  1 10:56:25 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 10:56:25 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Troubleshooting Display unit Nakamichi CR7
In-Reply-To: <20120301094521.14936axibxom4e80@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
References: <20120301094521.14936axibxom4e80@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
Message-ID: <4F4F47C9.7040709@univ-rennes1.fr>

Hi Norman,

The central tap of the A.C. 3.5V comes from Q413 on the -14.5V (see 
power supply PCB and POO cr-7, page 2).
So, may be something is wrong with the -14.5V line (in my case, it was) 
but the symptom was no display at all (and no azimuth) (C416 shorted, 
thanks Ron !).

An easy way to check if the -14.5V is ok is to verify that the manual 
azimuth works, as the -14.5V is implied in that process (see POO cr-7, 
page 31)

Hope it can help

bernard

Le 01/03/2012 09:45, naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl a écrit :
> Hi all,
>
> I have a problem with a CR7.
> The display gives a very little light. You have to look twice to see 
> something on the display.
> The repair shop here in the netherlands who has examined the machine, 
> gives me a burned out display unit as reason.
> I have measured the voltage on CN20 and that gives me a 7 volt AC .
> The manual mentioned 3,25 volt twice. How do i have to read these 
> values? . Twice 3,25 Volt makes 6,5 volt or do i have to measure 3,25 
> volt?
> Is it possible that to high voltage makes the display burning out? Are 
> there other common reasons for this behaviour?
> Is there someone who has a spare display unit on the shelf?
>
> Some help would be appreciated on this one. Optical it is a very 
> decent deck so i would be glad to give it a second life.
>
> Regards Norman
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From bernardsda at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  1 11:48:15 2012
From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:48:15 +0900
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL transport
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Bala and Adrian, I TOTALLY agree. I would love to be able to send my deck for a complete service. But the problem is, I live in Korea. If I was in Europe, I'd send it to someone like Luis. If I was in the US, I wouldn't hesitate. My only hope is, if I go to the US in connection with my PhD studies in the next year or two, I'd take it with me. I have to work with what I've got here, or just send the transport. But I welcome the advice; I'm taking it all in!
(P.S. I saw a nice, functioning Dragon here for about $600. It's tempting. But I also think, what if THAT also develops problems. But, as I say, it seems to be in good condition (though I haven't yet auditioned it); it would cost lest to buy the Dragon than it would to pay for postage to send my ZXL to America and back!)

Thanks a lot for the comments.

Bernard


On 01/03/2012, at 10:58 AM, Adrian Mechner wrote:

> Allow me a few words to this issue, please.
> First of all, if you're in USA., shipping a well packed deck like yours with
> FedEx will not exceed $40 cross country. For a unit like that, brought back
> to life this is not an amount you should worry because the gain in value
> will cover 10 times your expenses.
> Second and most important, sending to someone only the transport might be
> your worst bet. Not only could the malfunction be in a different place, like
> one of the IC that drives it, but you might want the service to make sure it
> works. You assume that the service would have a unit of the same type to
> test it, which I would not bet on... 
> My 2 cents of wisdom: If you own a deck worth what a good 1000 ZXL is worth,
> you should send it over to the right place for service; In US that would be
> Willy.
> Adrian
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of Bernard White
> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:27 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] ZXL transport
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> 
> I have a 1000 ZXL of which the transport is not quite what it should be. I
> want to explore the possibility of having just the transport taken out and
> sent to someone for servicing (I don't need to tell you the cost of sending
> the whole deck!) Perhaps someone like Luis or Willy might be able to help.
> The deck has been unused for a while.
> 
> Three things in particular seem not right with the transport: (1)
> Mechanically, it seems inordinately noisy in play mode; (2) pressing play
> sometimes results in no action except for a buzzing sound as the system
> tries to work; in other words, the transport doesn't move up and engage with
> the tape; With repeated pressing it eventually operates; (3) There is no
> signal in the right channel. This has been on and off for a while. A number
> of electronic components (e.g. on the power board and in other places) were
> replaced some time back, but without affecting this problem; it has been
> suggested to me that that it is just a matter of the connections going to
> the head; (4) there is a strong electronic noise on playback; again the
> upgrade of quite a few of the caps and ics has failed to resolve this.
> 
> Thus, my questions are: (1) by having the transport serviced, which (if any)
> of these issues are likely to be resolved? (2) are there any special
> cautions when removing the transport? and (3) what are the costs likely to
> be?
> 
> Although there is a techie here in Korea who is quite a clever guy and able
> to do some quite good work on Nak cassette decks, the language barrier is
> sometimes a problem and I'm not quite sure the degree to which he
> understands what I'm asking. I'm certainly not up to removing the transport
> myself, but I imagine he would be.
> 
> Bowers & Wilkins no longer do even this kind of service for a ZXL and Jeff
> Galin won't touch a deck that has been "tampered with" by a non-Nak expert.
> 
> Any suggestions? I'd appreciate your thoughts.
> 
> Bernard White
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From uraldurusu at ttmail.com  Thu Mar  1 12:15:02 2012
From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (uraldurusu)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 13:15:02 +0200
Subject: YNT: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Output level problem
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Thank You Fred, 
 
Best regards,
 
Ural

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Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: Fred Longworth
Gönderilmiş: Çar 29.02.2012 05:09
Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Konu: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Output level problem


It appears that you have a signal loss of just under 12dB in the right channel. Based on your description, this loss must be occurring between the point in the playback preamps where the "taps" for the meters are taken and the output jacks on the rear panel. 

This is best solved with a service manual, and especially with a schematic of the playback circuitry.

I naturally suspect a faulty capacitor, in which case the weak channel is likely to have a frequency response that is skewed toward the treble end. But then . . . someone may have been messing with the calibration.

Good luck with this.

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com 


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:24 PM, uraldurusu <uraldurusu at ttmail.com> wrote:


	


	Hello,
	When I connect my CR7 to a Reel To Reel tape I noticed that the VU Meters of the RTR is moving different then the CR7 (Right channel is lower than the Left). I have connected a milivolt meter to output jacks of CR7 and measured 5.7mV for Right channel and 19.8 mV for Left channel while playing a 315 Hz 0db test tape. But Vu meters of CR7's  both Left and Right are equal and lights up constantly to 0 db level  at the display.
	what will be the reason for this? Meters says no problem but the output is different than the displayed. Any ideas will be appreciated.
	
	Regards,
	
	Ural Durusu 


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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 16:14:30 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:14:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL transport
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bernard,


If  you can reed japanese I can send you the NAKAMICHI Service in Japan.

What Voltage does you ZXL need ?

Gerhard


Am 01.03.2012 um 11:48 schrieb Bernard White:

> Bala and Adrian, I TOTALLY agree. I would love to be able to send  
> my deck for a complete service. But the problem is, I live in  
> Korea. If I was in Europe, I'd send it to someone like Luis. If I  
> was in the US, I wouldn't hesitate. My only hope is, if I go to the  
> US in connection with my PhD studies in the next year or two, I'd  
> take it with me. I have to work with what I've got here, or just  
> send the transport. But I welcome the advice; I'm taking it all in!
> (P.S. I saw a nice, functioning Dragon here for about $600. It's  
> tempting. But I also think, what if THAT also develops problems.  
> But, as I say, it seems to be in good condition (though I haven't  
> yet auditioned it); it would cost lest to buy the Dragon than it  
> would to pay for postage to send my ZXL to America and back!)
>
> Thanks a lot for the comments.
>
> Bernard
>
>
> On 01/03/2012, at 10:58 AM, Adrian Mechner wrote:
>
>> Allow me a few words to this issue, please.
>> First of all, if you're in USA., shipping a well packed deck like  
>> yours with
>> FedEx will not exceed $40 cross country. For a unit like that,  
>> brought back
>> to life this is not an amount you should worry because the gain in  
>> value
>> will cover 10 times your expenses.
>> Second and most important, sending to someone only the transport  
>> might be
>> your worst bet. Not only could the malfunction be in a different  
>> place, like
>> one of the IC that drives it, but you might want the service to  
>> make sure it
>> works. You assume that the service would have a unit of the same  
>> type to
>> test it, which I would not bet on...
>> My 2 cents of wisdom: If you own a deck worth what a good 1000 ZXL  
>> is worth,
>> you should send it over to the right place for service; In US that  
>> would be
>> Willy.
>> Adrian
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]  
>> On Behalf
>> Of Bernard White
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:27 PM
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: [naktalk] ZXL transport
>>
>> Hi all.
>>
>>
>> I have a 1000 ZXL of which the transport is not quite what it  
>> should be. I
>> want to explore the possibility of having just the transport taken  
>> out and
>> sent to someone for servicing (I don't need to tell you the cost  
>> of sending
>> the whole deck!) Perhaps someone like Luis or Willy might be able  
>> to help.
>> The deck has been unused for a while.
>>
>> Three things in particular seem not right with the transport: (1)
>> Mechanically, it seems inordinately noisy in play mode; (2)  
>> pressing play
>> sometimes results in no action except for a buzzing sound as the  
>> system
>> tries to work; in other words, the transport doesn't move up and  
>> engage with
>> the tape; With repeated pressing it eventually operates; (3) There  
>> is no
>> signal in the right channel. This has been on and off for a while.  
>> A number
>> of electronic components (e.g. on the power board and in other  
>> places) were
>> replaced some time back, but without affecting this problem; it  
>> has been
>> suggested to me that that it is just a matter of the connections  
>> going to
>> the head; (4) there is a strong electronic noise on playback;  
>> again the
>> upgrade of quite a few of the caps and ics has failed to resolve  
>> this.
>>
>> Thus, my questions are: (1) by having the transport serviced,  
>> which (if any)
>> of these issues are likely to be resolved? (2) are there any special
>> cautions when removing the transport? and (3) what are the costs  
>> likely to
>> be?
>>
>> Although there is a techie here in Korea who is quite a clever guy  
>> and able
>> to do some quite good work on Nak cassette decks, the language  
>> barrier is
>> sometimes a problem and I'm not quite sure the degree to which he
>> understands what I'm asking. I'm certainly not up to removing the  
>> transport
>> myself, but I imagine he would be.
>>
>> Bowers & Wilkins no longer do even this kind of service for a ZXL  
>> and Jeff
>> Galin won't touch a deck that has been "tampered with" by a non- 
>> Nak expert.
>>
>> Any suggestions? I'd appreciate your thoughts.
>>
>> Bernard White
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  1 16:19:17 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 07:19:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Troubleshooting Display unit Nakamichi CR7
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Norman, 


This winding is 7VAC (or 6.5V, depending on where in the schematic you're 

looking), center tapped. This means that if you touch one probe of your AC 

voltmeter to the center tap (Q413 emitter is convenient) and the other probe 

to either winding end (point CN6-5 or CN6-4 on the power supply PCB), you 

should measure about 3.5VAC at either point. If not, suspect one or both 

fusible resistors R425 and R426. If OK, repeat the measurements on the 

display itself, between pin 1 (or 2) and pin 95 (or 96). (This measurement is 

not exactly convenient to make    :- (     ).

If OK so far, measure DC voltage between IC601-40 and ground at IC601-38, 

on the Display PCB.You should get about +8.5VDC. If so, I would indeed 

suspect a weak display. In this case, your best bet is to find a complete 

display board from a donor CR-7. Not easy (or cheap), but be aware that 

replacing either IC on this PCB is not for the faint of heart.

Good luck,

-- Ron





>________________________________
> From: "naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl" <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 3:45 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] Troubleshooting Display unit Nakamichi CR7
> 
>Hi all,
>
>I have a problem with a CR7.
>The display gives a very little light. You have to look twice to see something on the display.
>The repair shop here in the netherlands who has examined the machine, gives me a burned out display unit as reason.
>I have measured the voltage on CN20 and that gives me a 7 volt AC .
>The manual mentioned 3,25 volt twice. How do i have to read these values? . Twice 3,25 Volt makes 6,5 volt or do i have to measure 3,25 volt?
>Is it possible that to high voltage makes the display burning out? Are there other common reasons for this behaviour?
>Is there someone who has a spare display unit on the shelf?
>
>Some help would be appreciated on this one. Optical it is a very decent deck so i would be glad to give it a second life.
>
>Regards Norman
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Thu Mar  1 17:02:04 2012
From: rjkent at comcast.net (R Kent)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 08:02:04 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 109, Issue 1
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John,
WD40 is okay for cleaning and is good at displacing moisture.  It will also
serve as a short term lubricant, but it should never be used as a long term
lubricant.  After the solvents in the formula evaporate, it forms a
lacquer-like coating that is okay for protecting static metallic parts, but
will certainly gum up any fine motors, switches or gears.  It is best not to
begin with WD40 in electronics, but if it is used at all, it should be
thoroughly removed and the parts lubricated with an appropriate non-drying
lubricant.  The other problem with WD40 is the perfumed smell which is very
strong and lasts for a long time.
Robert Kent

> WD40 is completely unacceptable. Use products by Caig Laboratories, e.g.
> Caig DeoxIT D5, Caig Faderlube, and Caig GOLD. It is not enough to
> lubricate. You need to actually remove the oxidation.****

> And Servisol switch cleaner (UK) for any electrical switches. I know a
> very brilliant electronics engineer who realigns tuners in his sleep and
> builds single ended amps from scratch etc who uses nothing but WD40 for
> switch cleaning! Is that OK with you guys?****




From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Thu Mar  1 18:19:56 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:19:56 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Troubleshooting Display unit Nakamichi CR7
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7 volts AC is about right on CN20.  the 3.25 volts is against ground
although that isn't an accurate reading because there isn't a ground
reference for that secondary winding.  As far as I know there are no
replacement displays available - the only people who might have them are
ESL in Connecticut or B&W in England.  I have found with this display that
if the deck has not been used for many years the display will be very dim.
 As the deck is used more the display will get brighter.  Try leaving it on
for a couple of days.

Willy

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 12:45 AM, <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a problem with a CR7.
> The display gives a very little light. You have to look twice to see
> something on the display.
> The repair shop here in the netherlands who has examined the machine,
> gives me a burned out display unit as reason.
> I have measured the voltage on CN20 and that gives me a 7 volt AC .
> The manual mentioned 3,25 volt twice. How do i have to read these values?
> . Twice 3,25 Volt makes 6,5 volt or do i have to measure 3,25 volt?
> Is it possible that to high voltage makes the display burning out? Are
> there other common reasons for this behaviour?
> Is there someone who has a spare display unit on the shelf?
>
> Some help would be appreciated on this one. Optical it is a very decent
> deck so i would be glad to give it a second life.
>
> Regards Norman
>
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From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 18:28:29 2012
From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:28:29 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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Bala,

I speak from 39 years in audio service, six of which were as a service
manager for Panasonic. Currently, I am the owner of San Diego's most
successful audio service business. My store has been serving the San Diego
community for 18 years. I try to be helpful, and I try to deal in reality,
not sugar-coated fantasy. Pessimistic? No, frank and honest. And I must
say: I resent the arrogance of your remarks, below. In my opinion, you are
simply castigating me because I disagree with you.

I try to present my advice conditioned according to whom I believe is
listening. If the person at the listening end is not a technician I base my
advice on what a non-technician is able to do, or not do, safely. For
example, if the person is not a technician, I will tell them to turn the
equipment off before removing the top cover. A technician can do this
safely. If the person is a technician, I assume that he or she has an
oscilloscope. If the person is not a technician, very likely he or she does
not have an oscilloscope to use in troubleshooting. If the person is a
technician, I will give one type of advice on the use of chemicals; if not
a technician, I will take a different tack.

In whatever future interactions we have, please do not attempt to attack or
belittle me, or my remarks.

Fred Longworth, MBA, CHMM
Owner
Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994
San Diego's #1 Audio Repair Company
www.repairaudio.com

* * * * *

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Fred,
>
> I have used Windex on many players including Nakamichi players with
> excellent results. So are some well renowned service companies that work on
> digital equipment.  Prior to doing that, it's important to get dust off the
> lens lest we scratch the lens whilst cleaning it with a cotton tip.
> Obviously I do such work in a relatively dust free environment inside an
> air conditioned environment away from my wife's wonderful cooking and her
> plants. Same place where my Nikon lenses get cleaned and in food condition.
>  And the air bulb is used for that and cleaning the sensors and light boxes
> in my DSLRs.
>
> I suppose we as experience people should help others exercise due
> diligence then try scaring them away with ominous things that could happen.
> Because then I realize that when they eventually pluck up the courage to do
> the work, good old Murphy starts his work.
>
> I prefer to encourage them and wish them happy listening ever after. We
> have to change this very pessimistic tone of this forum. As always, if this
> message makes it through, I am sure the moderators agree with me.
>
> Bala
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 01/03/2012, at 1:18 PM, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Adrian,
>
> Air bulbs do not clean laser lenses. This is because the #1 cause of
> contamination is a *greasy film*. This is the same greasy film that gets
> on eyeglasses, your computer screen, the surfaces of records, and the
> inside windshield of your car. This greasy film is largely composed of
> aromatic oils generated from cooking, plants (e.g. flowers), aerosol
> sprays, and automobile exhaust. It is primarily an urban phenomenon.
>
> The greasy film acts as a binder for ordinary atmospheric dust.
>
> Although I use Windex myself when cleaning styli on turntables (largely
> because the cyanoacrylates used in styli cements are vulnerable to
> alcohol), I do not use it around laser lenses. This is because if the
> tiniest amount of Windex falls inside a laser pickup (they are open frame)
> it will fall on the face of the beam-splitting prism, and will take hours
> to evaporate. I use only alcohols to clean laser lenses. That said, if a
> person exercises extreme care and uses a Q-tip that is only slightly moist
> with Windex, it can be used with minimal risk.
>
> Skipping is primarily the result of two common causes -- the failure of
> the lateral motion system, and the failure of the laser. Lateral motion
> failures tend to be due to sticky sliderails or a bad motor. Laser pickup
> failures are usually due to aging of the laser diode combined with the
> gradual accumulation of contaminants inside the pickup, both on the
> backside of the focus lens and on the topside of the beam-splitting prism.
>
> Until about 2005, skipping was more often due to pickup failure than to
> lateral motion troubles. The diagnostic "proof" of laser failure would be
> that the machine would still play commercially-made CDs, but would mistrack
> on homemade (burned) CDs, or on a test CD with a weak data track. In recent
> years, more and more sliderails have gummed up, and more and more lateral
> motion motors (usually RF-310T-11400) have developed internal failures,
> often near short circuits. Also, on Sanyo-type disc drives, the lateral
> motion (aka "sled") motor has a tiny gear that cracks.
>
> You can use contact and control cleaner on a small DC motor, but in my
> experience it does little good. We lube them with Teflon lube, and replace
> them when they fail. If they are rare or "unobtainium" motors, we take them
> apart and service the brushes and commutator.
>
> Best,
>
> Fred Longworth
> Owner
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>wrote:
>
>> This is correct; it is a Teflon based lubricant and it works miracles.***
>> *
>>
>> Adrian****
>>
>> Update on the OMS-2A****
>>
>> The disc(s) play but on some of them there are drop outs during play.****
>>
>> I did not touch the motors, but I will now. I’m going to open it again,
>> clean all moving parts and lube them, also I will use my miracle working
>> “MG Chemicals – NU-Trol Control Cleaner” on the motors.****
>>
>> The lens looks super clean and shiny. I use a magnifier glass 10x and can
>> tell it’s clean.****
>>
>> Any suggestions are welcome.****
>>
>> Thanks,****
>>
>> Adrian****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Fred Longworth
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:59 AM
>>
>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> That is a Teflon-based lubricant. Teflon is a miracle chemical. Teflon
>> lubes are also made by Tri-Flow and ZEP.
>>
>> A chemist told me that Teflon molecules are shaped something like M&M's,
>> which by their very shape make them slippery and slidey.
>>
>> In my repair shop, we've determined, for example, that the best lube for
>> small DC motors is a Teflon-based product. For larger bearings it's
>> somewhat of a tossup between Teflon-based lubed and standard machine oil.
>>
>> Fred Longworth
>> Classic Audio Repair
>> www.repairaudio.com****
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
>> wrote:****
>>
>> Thanks all!****
>>
>> I hope the problem was solved. My discs which didn’t play yesterday do it
>> now. The sound is nice, as it was on the discs which did play before.****
>>
>> I use for cleaning of things like this only professional grade chemicals.
>> Now I used the MG Chemicals “Audio Video HEAD CLEANER”. I cut a strip out
>> of a new microfiber cloth and wind it around the rails; then I pulled on
>> both ends. I manually rotated the motor to move the lens to the other side
>> of the rails and cleaned again.****
>>
>> After evaluating the way it was designed and the speed and precision it’s
>> supposed to work at, I decided that a very low viscosity lube would be
>> best. I applied two drops of the lube I use on my turntable restoration
>> projects – the one I use for the direct powered belt drive motors. After
>> long time testing and working on turntables, I came to the most
>> satisfactory results using “Finish Line – Dry” Lubricant.****
>>
>> This is a product designed for the bicycle industry; it’s a high end
>> product, designed in the USA and produced in Canada. It is only to be used
>> in dry conditions. The formula fits perfect the needs for my projects.***
>> *
>>
>> I highly recommend it. It can be found in the “Performance Bicycle”
>> stores.****
>>
>> I’ll get back with updates if problems will appear. ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Adrian****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Fred Longworth
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:11 PM****
>>
>>
>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks****
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Yes.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Pure isopropanol is fine for plastics. Rubbing alcohol unfortunately
>> contains a mixture of water and isopropanol.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> WD40 is completely unacceptable. Use products by Caig Laboratories, e.g.
>> Caig DeoxIT D5, Caig Faderlube, and Caig GOLD. It is not enough to
>> lubricate. You need to actually remove the oxidation.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Fred Longworth****
>>
>> Owner****
>>
>> Classic Audio Repair****
>>
>> www.repairaudio.com****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM, John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com> wrote:
>> ****
>>
>> Hi****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Is Isopropanol OK on plastic?****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> I would normally use that, then silicon grease. ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> And Servisol switch cleaner (UK) for any electrical switches. I know a
>> very brilliant electronics engineer who realigns tuners in his sleep and
>> builds single ended amps from scratch etc who uses nothing but WD40 for
>> switch cleaning! Is that OK with you guys?****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Regards****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> John Chapman****
>>
>> ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS****
>>
>>  ****
>>
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>>
>>  ****
>>
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>>
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>>
>> 01872 865505****
>>
>> 07740 565255****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:45, Fred Longworth wrote:****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Another poster suggested use of Windex for cleaning the sliderails.
>>
>> Neither Windex nor rubbing alcohol are acceptable solvents for use on
>> closely-knitted mechanical systems. The reason for this is that both
>> formulations contain WATER, which has a low viscosity, can seep into
>> crevices and remain there for days or weeks, and which causes oxidation.
>>
>> We use ethanol, commonly sold in stores (e.g. Home Depot) as "denatured
>> alcohol." Ethanol evaporates fairly quickly, and does not promote oxidation.
>>
>> Fred
>> Owner
>> Classic Audio Repair
>> www.repairaudio.com
>>
>> * * * * *
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Fred Longworth <
>> classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:****
>>
>> The common failures:
>>
>> (1) Laser pickup.
>> (2) Spin motor.
>> (3) Sled (lateral motion) motor.
>> (4) Sticky sliderails.
>>
>> Fred
>> Classic Audio Repair
>> www.repairaudio.com****
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
>> wrote:****
>>
>> I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint condition I
>> did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be cool to have a
>> secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette deck (680ZX), a
>> receiver (SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).****
>>
>> It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony remote.
>> The sound is not bad at all, but it’s not a given fact that it will play…
>> This being said, I wonder if this is common for these vintage CD players,
>> not to play any given disk or to have interruptions during playback. I have
>> more CD players in my closet than I will ever use(simply nice ones and
>> can’t decide to let go…) and all function flawlessly; the only one which
>> looks really cool in this set-up is the only one giving me headache. ****
>>
>> My question is:****
>>
>> Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that’s all it can do or
>> does it need attention?****
>>
>> Thanks,****
>>
>> Adrian****
>>
>>  ****
>>
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From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 18:36:33 2012
From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:36:33 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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Hi Adrian,

Yes, your description sounds like an aging laser pickup. I've had little
success taking them apart. If I were you, I'd look for a replacement pickup.

One side note -- if you can get your hands on ultra-miniature Q-tips, you
can pull the lens aside ever so slightly, and use the tiny Q-tip to clean
the top of the beam-splitting prism. Again, use denatured alcohol or
isopropyl, and get the Q-tip moist, not wet.

Good luck with this,

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

* * * * *

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

> Hi Fred,****
>
> Thanks for the time you take to help me find what’s wrong. The failure you
> described with the non commercial disks is very close to what actually
> happens. I noticed it plays very well the commercial ones, but it starts to
> malfunction as soon as I insert a homemade one. Do you suggest that I
> should take the lens assemble apart? ****
>
> Adrian****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Fred Longworth
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:18 PM
>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A****
>
> ** **
>
> Hi Adrian,****
>
> ** **
>
> Air bulbs do not clean laser lenses. This is because the #1 cause of
> contamination is a *greasy film*. This is the same greasy film that gets
> on eyeglasses, your computer screen, the surfaces of records, and the
> inside windshield of your car. This greasy film is largely composed of
> aromatic oils generated from cooking, plants (e.g. flowers), aerosol
> sprays, and automobile exhaust. It is primarily an urban phenomenon.****
>
> ** **
>
> The greasy film acts as a binder for ordinary atmospheric dust.****
>
> ** **
>
> Although I use Windex myself when cleaning styli on turntables (largely
> because the cyanoacrylates used in styli cements are vulnerable to
> alcohol), I do not use it around laser lenses. This is because if the
> tiniest amount of Windex falls inside a laser pickup (they are open frame)
> it will fall on the face of the beam-splitting prism, and will take hours
> to evaporate. I use only alcohols to clean laser lenses. That said, if a
> person exercises extreme care and uses a Q-tip that is only slightly moist
> with Windex, it can be used with minimal risk.****
>
> ** **
>
> Skipping is primarily the result of two common causes -- the failure of
> the lateral motion system, and the failure of the laser. Lateral motion
> failures tend to be due to sticky sliderails or a bad motor. Laser pickup
> failures are usually due to aging of the laser diode combined with the
> gradual accumulation of contaminants inside the pickup, both on the
> backside of the focus lens and on the topside of the beam-splitting prism.
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> Until about 2005, skipping was more often due to pickup failure than to
> lateral motion troubles. The diagnostic "proof" of laser failure would be
> that the machine would still play commercially-made CDs, but would mistrack
> on homemade (burned) CDs, or on a test CD with a weak data track. In recent
> years, more and more sliderails have gummed up, and more and more lateral
> motion motors (usually RF-310T-11400) have developed internal failures,
> often near short circuits. Also, on Sanyo-type disc drives, the lateral
> motion (aka "sled") motor has a tiny gear that cracks.****
>
> ** **
>
> You can use contact and control cleaner on a small DC motor, but in my
> experience it does little good. We lube them with Teflon lube, and replace
> them when they fail. If they are rare or "unobtainium" motors, we take them
> apart and service the brushes and commutator.****
>
> ** **
>
> Best,****
>
> ** **
>
> Fred Longworth****
>
> Owner****
>
> Classic Audio Repair****
>
> www.repairaudio.com****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
> wrote:****
>
> This is correct; it is a Teflon based lubricant and it works miracles.****
>
> Adrian****
>
> Update on the OMS-2A****
>
> The disc(s) play but on some of them there are drop outs during play.****
>
> I did not touch the motors, but I will now. I’m going to open it again,
> clean all moving parts and lube them, also I will use my miracle working
> “MG Chemicals – NU-Trol Control Cleaner” on the motors.****
>
> The lens looks super clean and shiny. I use a magnifier glass 10x and can
> tell it’s clean.****
>
> Any suggestions are welcome.****
>
> Thanks,****
>
> Adrian****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Fred Longworth
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:59 AM****
>
>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A****
>
>  ****
>
> That is a Teflon-based lubricant. Teflon is a miracle chemical. Teflon
> lubes are also made by Tri-Flow and ZEP.
>
> A chemist told me that Teflon molecules are shaped something like M&M's,
> which by their very shape make them slippery and slidey.
>
> In my repair shop, we've determined, for example, that the best lube for
> small DC motors is a Teflon-based product. For larger bearings it's
> somewhat of a tossup between Teflon-based lubed and standard machine oil.
>
> Fred Longworth
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com****
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
> wrote:****
>
> Thanks all!****
>
> I hope the problem was solved. My discs which didn’t play yesterday do it
> now. The sound is nice, as it was on the discs which did play before.****
>
> I use for cleaning of things like this only professional grade chemicals.
> Now I used the MG Chemicals “Audio Video HEAD CLEANER”. I cut a strip out
> of a new microfiber cloth and wind it around the rails; then I pulled on
> both ends. I manually rotated the motor to move the lens to the other side
> of the rails and cleaned again.****
>
> After evaluating the way it was designed and the speed and precision it’s
> supposed to work at, I decided that a very low viscosity lube would be
> best. I applied two drops of the lube I use on my turntable restoration
> projects – the one I use for the direct powered belt drive motors. After
> long time testing and working on turntables, I came to the most
> satisfactory results using “Finish Line – Dry” Lubricant.****
>
> This is a product designed for the bicycle industry; it’s a high end
> product, designed in the USA and produced in Canada. It is only to be used
> in dry conditions. The formula fits perfect the needs for my projects.****
>
> I highly recommend it. It can be found in the “Performance Bicycle” stores.
> ****
>
> I’ll get back with updates if problems will appear. ****
>
>  ****
>
> Adrian****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Fred Longworth
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:11 PM****
>
>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks****
>
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A****
>
>  ****
>
> Yes.****
>
>  ****
>
> Pure isopropanol is fine for plastics. Rubbing alcohol unfortunately
> contains a mixture of water and isopropanol.****
>
>  ****
>
> WD40 is completely unacceptable. Use products by Caig Laboratories, e.g.
> Caig DeoxIT D5, Caig Faderlube, and Caig GOLD. It is not enough to
> lubricate. You need to actually remove the oxidation.****
>
>  ****
>
> Fred Longworth****
>
> Owner****
>
> Classic Audio Repair****
>
> www.repairaudio.com****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM, John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com> wrote:*
> ***
>
> Hi****
>
>  ****
>
> Is Isopropanol OK on plastic?****
>
>  ****
>
> I would normally use that, then silicon grease. ****
>
>  ****
>
> And Servisol switch cleaner (UK) for any electrical switches. I know a
> very brilliant electronics engineer who realigns tuners in his sleep and
> builds single ended amps from scratch etc who uses nothing but WD40 for
> switch cleaning! Is that OK with you guys?****
>
>  ****
>
> Regards****
>
>  ****
>
> John Chapman****
>
> ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS****
>
>  ****
>
> chapman.w2 at sky.com****
>
>  ****
>
> 10 Belmont Terrace****
>
> Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX****
>
> 01872 865505****
>
> 07740 565255****
>
>  ****
>
> http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:45, Fred Longworth wrote:****
>
>  ****
>
> Another poster suggested use of Windex for cleaning the sliderails.
>
> Neither Windex nor rubbing alcohol are acceptable solvents for use on
> closely-knitted mechanical systems. The reason for this is that both
> formulations contain WATER, which has a low viscosity, can seep into
> crevices and remain there for days or weeks, and which causes oxidation.
>
> We use ethanol, commonly sold in stores (e.g. Home Depot) as "denatured
> alcohol." Ethanol evaporates fairly quickly, and does not promote oxidation.
>
> Fred
> Owner
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
>
> * * * * *
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Fred Longworth <
> classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:****
>
> The common failures:
>
> (1) Laser pickup.
> (2) Spin motor.
> (3) Sled (lateral motion) motor.
> (4) Sticky sliderails.
>
> Fred
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com****
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
> wrote:****
>
> I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint condition I
> did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be cool to have a
> secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette deck (680ZX), a
> receiver (SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).****
>
> It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony remote.
> The sound is not bad at all, but it’s not a given fact that it will play…
> This being said, I wonder if this is common for these vintage CD players,
> not to play any given disk or to have interruptions during playback. I have
> more CD players in my closet than I will ever use(simply nice ones and
> can’t decide to let go…) and all function flawlessly; the only one which
> looks really cool in this set-up is the only one giving me headache. ****
>
> My question is:****
>
> Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that’s all it can do or
> does it need attention?****
>
> Thanks,****
>
> Adrian****
>
>  ****
>
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From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 18:46:26 2012
From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:46:26 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 109, Issue 1
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 I repeat . . . WD40 is not an acceptable chemical for treating switches
and controls. It contains lubricants, but contains no chemical for removing
oxidation -- and the #1 cause of "touchy switches and noisy controls" is
oxidation.

Again, use products by Caig Laboratories. MG makes a good cleaner, but Caig
formulations are better.

Best,

Fred Longworth, MBA, CHMM
Classic Audio Repair - since 1994
www.repairaudio.com

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:02 AM, R Kent <rjkent at comcast.net> wrote:

> John,
> WD40 is okay for cleaning and is good at displacing moisture.  It will also
> serve as a short term lubricant, but it should never be used as a long term
> lubricant.  After the solvents in the formula evaporate, it forms a
> lacquer-like coating that is okay for protecting static metallic parts, but
> will certainly gum up any fine motors, switches or gears.  It is best not
> to
> begin with WD40 in electronics, but if it is used at all, it should be
> thoroughly removed and the parts lubricated with an appropriate non-drying
> lubricant.  The other problem with WD40 is the perfumed smell which is very
> strong and lasts for a long time.
> Robert Kent
>
> > WD40 is completely unacceptable. Use products by Caig Laboratories, e.g.
> > Caig DeoxIT D5, Caig Faderlube, and Caig GOLD. It is not enough to
> > lubricate. You need to actually remove the oxidation.****
>
> > And Servisol switch cleaner (UK) for any electrical switches. I know a
> > very brilliant electronics engineer who realigns tuners in his sleep and
> > builds single ended amps from scratch etc who uses nothing but WD40 for
> > switch cleaning! Is that OK with you guys?****
>
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
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From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 23:21:42 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Troubleshooting Display unit Nakamichi CR7
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Thanks Willy, Ron and Bernard for your help on this problem.

After doing some measurement i did find the problem.  The combined  
thermal fuse / resistor TF601 was broken. Is there a place where i can  
buy a new one?
The display gives me (with a normal fuse) full light so i'm very happy  
with the result. No burned out display afterall.

Regards Norman


Citeren Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>:

> 7 volts AC is about right on CN20.  the 3.25 volts is against ground
> although that isn't an accurate reading because there isn't a ground
> reference for that secondary winding.  As far as I know there are no
> replacement displays available - the only people who might have them are
> ESL in Connecticut or B&W in England.  I have found with this display that
> if the deck has not been used for many years the display will be very dim.
>  As the deck is used more the display will get brighter.  Try leaving it on
> for a couple of days.
>
> Willy
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 12:45 AM, <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a problem with a CR7.
>> The display gives a very little light. You have to look twice to see
>> something on the display.
>> The repair shop here in the netherlands who has examined the machine,
>> gives me a burned out display unit as reason.
>> I have measured the voltage on CN20 and that gives me a 7 volt AC .
>> The manual mentioned 3,25 volt twice. How do i have to read these values?
>> . Twice 3,25 Volt makes 6,5 volt or do i have to measure 3,25 volt?
>> Is it possible that to high voltage makes the display burning out? Are
>> there other common reasons for this behaviour?
>> Is there someone who has a spare display unit on the shelf?
>>
>> Some help would be appreciated on this one. Optical it is a very decent
>> deck so i would be glad to give it a second life.
>>
>> Regards Norman
>>
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  2 01:13:13 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:13:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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Hi Fred, 

I, amongst others would like to have frank and open and constructive discussions. 

I believe the start was stoked by your comment in an earlier post about Windex being used to lube rails etc. which was wasn't what I said. Windex is also being used in Panasonic's DVD recorder R&D department and in MARIS Singapore for the same application that I recommended for. It was recommended also by reputable service people in Nashville who work on high end equipment. 

I have to back it up with the fact that it has worked very well for me. I am all in for constructive discussions in encouraging fellow members and guiding them. Obviously, they are the best gauge as to if they are up to doing it or better off bringing it to someone else who knows what they are doing. 

But questions should always be welcome with a constructive and open mind. I know of some individuals who come in and try to tell people what they shouldn't be doing and the calamities that await them. I resent this attitude for one reason: it puts people off something they love to do. 

When I started off with ZXLs, they were the F-word in this forum. I was discouraged on and off the list that I would be better off with other decks and that the ZXL was an unnecessary kludge and complication. It put me off the deck for months until the gentle encouragement of someone led me to tackle this beauty. The rest of my story is well documented in Nak archives. 

I have no issues with you whatsoever Fred, and I am all in for constructive, educating discussions where we can teach people and keep the machines going for one more day in one more system. But if someone starts coming in here flashing his credentials and telling me all about him, that doesn't get into my book. I've met some serious movers in the hi-fi business and the real ones worth their salt aren't anything like that. 


________________________________
 From: Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
 

Bala,

I speak from 39 years in audio service, six of which were as a service manager for Panasonic. Currently, I am the owner of San Diego's most successful audio service business. My store has been serving the San Diego community for 18 years. I try to be helpful, and I try to deal in reality, not sugar-coated fantasy. Pessimistic? No, frank and honest. And I must say: I resent the arrogance of your remarks, below. In my opinion, you are simply castigating me because I disagree with you.

I try to present my advice conditioned according to whom I believe is listening. If the person at the listening end is not a technician I base my advice on what a non-technician is able to do, or not do, safely. For example, if the person is not a technician, I will tell them to turn the equipment off before removing the top cover. A technician can do this safely. If the person is a technician, I assume that he or she has an oscilloscope. If the person is not a technician, very likely he or she does not have an oscilloscope to use in troubleshooting. If the person is a technician, I will give one type of advice on the use of chemicals; if not a technician, I will take a different tack.

In whatever future interactions we have, please do not attempt to attack or belittle me, or my remarks.

Fred Longworth, MBA, CHMM
Owner
Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994
San Diego's #1 Audio Repair Company
www.repairaudio.com

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On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Fred,
>
>
>I have used Windex on many players including Nakamichi players with excellent results. So are some well renowned service companies that work on digital equipment.  Prior to doing that, it's important to get dust off the lens lest we scratch the lens whilst cleaning it with a cotton tip. Obviously I do such work in a relatively dust free environment inside an air conditioned environment away from my wife's wonderful cooking and her plants. Same place where my Nikon lenses get cleaned and in food condition.  And the air bulb is used for that and cleaning the sensors and light boxes in my DSLRs. 
>
>
>I suppose we as experience people should help others exercise due diligence then try scaring them away with ominous things that could happen. Because then I realize that when they eventually pluck up the courage to do the work, good old Murphy starts his work. 
>
>
>I prefer to encourage them and wish them happy listening ever after. We have to change this very pessimistic tone of this forum. As always, if this message makes it through, I am sure the moderators agree with me. 
>
>
>Bala
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On 01/03/2012, at 1:18 PM, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Hi Adrian,
>>
>>Air bulbs do not clean laser lenses. This is because the #1 cause of contamination is a greasy film. This is the same greasy film that gets on eyeglasses, your computer screen, the surfaces of records, and the inside windshield of your car. This greasy film is largely composed of aromatic oils generated from cooking, plants (e.g. flowers), aerosol sprays, and automobile exhaust. It is primarily an urban phenomenon.
>>
>>
>>The greasy film acts as a binder for ordinary atmospheric dust.
>>
>>
>>Although I use Windex myself when cleaning styli on turntables (largely because the cyanoacrylates used in styli cements are vulnerable to alcohol), I do not use it around laser lenses. This is because if the tiniest amount of Windex falls inside a laser pickup (they are open frame) it will fall on the face of the beam-splitting prism, and will take hours to evaporate. I use only alcohols to clean laser lenses. That said, if a person exercises extreme care and uses a Q-tip that is only slightly moist with Windex, it can be used with minimal risk.
>>
>>
>>Skipping is primarily the result of two common causes -- the failure of the lateral motion system, and the failure of the laser. Lateral motion failures tend to be due to sticky sliderails or a bad motor. Laser pickup failures are usually due to aging of the laser diode combined with the gradual accumulation of contaminants inside the pickup, both on the backside of the focus lens and on the topside of the beam-splitting prism.
>>
>>
>>Until about 2005, skipping was more often due to pickup failure than to lateral motion troubles. The diagnostic "proof" of laser failure would be that the machine would still play commercially-made CDs, but would mistrack on homemade (burned) CDs, or on a test CD with a weak data track. In recent years, more and more sliderails have gummed up, and more and more lateral motion motors (usually RF-310T-11400) have developed internal failures, often near short circuits. Also, on Sanyo-type disc drives, the lateral motion (aka "sled") motor has a tiny gear that cracks.
>>
>>
>>You can use contact and control cleaner on a small DC motor, but in my experience it does little good. We lube them with Teflon lube, and replace them when they fail. If they are rare or "unobtainium" motors, we take them apart and service the brushes and commutator.
>>
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>
>>Fred Longworth
>>Owner
>>Classic Audio Repair
>>www.repairaudio.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:
>>
>>This is correct; it is a Teflon based lubricant and it works miracles.
>>>Adrian
>>>Update on the OMS-2A
>>>The disc(s) play but on some of them there are drop outs during play.
>>>I did not touch the motors, but I will now. I’m going to open it again, clean all moving parts and lube them, also I will use my miracle working “MG Chemicals – NU-Trol Control Cleaner” on the motors.
>>>The lens looks super clean and shiny. I use a magnifier glass 10x and can tell it’s clean.
>>>Any suggestions are welcome.
>>>Thanks,
>>>Adrian
>>> 
>>>From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth
>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:59 AM
>>>
>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
>>> 
>>>That is a Teflon-based lubricant. Teflon is a miracle chemical. Teflon lubes are also made by Tri-Flow and ZEP.
>>>
>>>A chemist told me that Teflon molecules are shaped something like M&M's, which by their very shape make them slippery and slidey.
>>>
>>>In my repair shop, we've determined, for example, that the best lube for small DC motors is a Teflon-based product. For larger bearings it's somewhat of a tossup between Teflon-based lubed and standard machine oil.
>>>
>>>Fred Longworth
>>>Classic Audio Repair
>>>www.repairaudio.com
>>>On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:
>>>Thanks all!
>>>I hope the problem was solved. My discs which didn’t play yesterday do it now. The sound is nice, as it was on the discs which did play before.
>>>I use for cleaning of things like this only professional grade chemicals. Now I used the MG Chemicals “Audio Video HEAD CLEANER”. I cut a strip out of a new microfiber cloth and wind it around the rails; then I pulled on both ends. I manually rotated the motor to move the lens to the other side of the rails and cleaned again.
>>>After evaluating the way it was designed and the speed and precision it’s supposed to work at, I decided that a very low viscosity lube would be best. I applied two drops of the lube I use on my turntable restoration projects – the one I use for the direct powered belt drive motors. After long time testing and working on turntables, I came to the most satisfactory results using “Finish Line – Dry” Lubricant.
>>>This is a product designed for the bicycle industry; it’s a high end product, designed in the USA and produced in Canada. It is only to be used in dry conditions. The formula fits perfect the needs for my projects.
>>>I highly recommend it. It can be found in the “Performance Bicycle” stores.
>>>I’ll get back with updates if problems will appear. 
>>> 
>>>Adrian
>>> 
>>>From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth
>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:11 PM
>>>
>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
>>> 
>>>Yes.
>>> 
>>>Pure isopropanol is fine for plastics. Rubbing alcohol unfortunately contains a mixture of water and isopropanol.
>>> 
>>>WD40 is completely unacceptable. Use products by Caig Laboratories, e.g. Caig DeoxIT D5, Caig Faderlube, and Caig GOLD. It is not enough to lubricate. You need to actually remove the oxidation.
>>> 
>>>Fred Longworth
>>>Owner
>>>Classic Audio Repair
>>>www.repairaudio.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>>On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM, John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com> wrote:
>>>Hi
>>> 
>>>Is Isopropanol OK on plastic?
>>> 
>>>I would normally use that, then silicon grease. 
>>> 
>>>And Servisol switch cleaner (UK) for any electrical switches. I know a very brilliant electronics engineer who realigns tuners in his sleep and builds single ended amps from scratch etc who uses nothing but WD40 for switch cleaning! Is that OK with you guys?
>>> 
>>>Regards
>>> 
>>>John Chapman
>>>ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:45, Fred Longworth wrote:
>>> 
>>>Another poster suggested use of Windex for cleaning the sliderails.
>>>
>>>Neither Windex nor rubbing alcohol are acceptable solvents for use on closely-knitted mechanical systems. The reason for this is that both formulations contain WATER, which has a low viscosity, can seep into crevices and remain there for days or weeks, and which causes oxidation.
>>>
>>>We use ethanol, commonly sold in stores (e.g. Home Depot) as "denatured alcohol." Ethanol evaporates fairly quickly, and does not promote oxidation.
>>>
>>>Fred
>>>Owner
>>>Classic Audio Repair
>>>www.repairaudio.com
>>>
>>>* * * * *
>>>
>>>On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>The common failures:
>>>>
>>>>(1) Laser pickup.
>>>>(2) Spin motor.
>>>>(3) Sled (lateral motion) motor.
>>>>(4) Sticky sliderails.
>>>>
>>>>Fred
>>>>Classic Audio Repair
>>>>www.repairaudio.com
>>>>On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:
>>>>I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint condition I did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be cool to have a secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette deck (680ZX), a receiver (SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).
>>>>>It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony remote. The sound is not bad at all, but it’s not a given fact that it will play… This being said, I wonder if this is common for these vintage CD players, not to play any given disk or to have interruptions during playback. I have more CD players in my closet than I will ever use(simply nice ones and can’t decide to let go…) and all function flawlessly; the only one which looks really cool in this set-up is the only one giving me headache. 
>>>>>My question is:
>>>>>Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that’s all it can do or does it need attention?
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Adrian
>>>>> 
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  2 03:00:37 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:00:37 -0700
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Troubleshooting Display unit Nakamichi CR7
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 Willy is absolutely right. I received a Nak ST-7 tuner with a dim light display (common issue) years ago and the display came back to life after leaving the unit continuously on for one to two days (and doing it several times). Funny thing - with the two Nak SR-4A and one SR-3A receivers I sold, I had little or no luck.
 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:19:56 -0800
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Troubleshooting Display unit Nakamichi CR7
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
To: naktalk at naks.com

7 volts AC is about right on CN20.  the 3.25 volts is against ground although that isn't an accurate reading because there isn't a ground reference for that secondary winding.  As far as I know there are no replacement displays available - the only people who might have them are ESL in Connecticut or B&W in England.  I have found with this display that if the deck has not been used for many years the display will be very dim.  As the deck is used more the display will get brighter.  Try leaving it on for a couple of days.  
Willy

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 12:45 AM,  <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl> wrote:

Hi all,



I have a problem with a CR7.

The display gives a very little light. You have to look twice to see something on the display.

The repair shop here in the netherlands who has examined the machine, gives me a burned out display unit as reason.

I have measured the voltage on CN20 and that gives me a 7 volt AC .

The manual mentioned 3,25 volt twice. How do i have to read these values? . Twice 3,25 Volt makes 6,5 volt or do i have to measure 3,25 volt?

Is it possible that to high voltage makes the display burning out? Are there other common reasons for this behaviour?

Is there someone who has a spare display unit on the shelf?



Some help would be appreciated on this one. Optical it is a very decent deck so i would be glad to give it a second life.



Regards Norman



 		 	   		  
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From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:09:50 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 250 Sells for Big Bucks on Ebay
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From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 12:28:48 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A
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Thanks Fred,

Like I said, problem solved!

The spring meant to press down the plate which keeps the disc in place, was
kind of tired. I pulled it (like made it longer). Now the black plastic
plate keeps the disc pressed to the spindle and no malfunction appeared. I
went over 20 something different discs, out of none used to work previous
and they all work perfect now.

 

Adrian

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Fred Longworth
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:37 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A

 

Hi Adrian,

Yes, your description sounds like an aging laser pickup. I've had little
success taking them apart. If I were you, I'd look for a replacement pickup.

One side note -- if you can get your hands on ultra-miniature Q-tips, you
can pull the lens aside ever so slightly, and use the tiny Q-tip to clean
the top of the beam-splitting prism. Again, use denatured alcohol or
isopropyl, and get the Q-tip moist, not wet.

Good luck with this,

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

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On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

Hi Fred,

Thanks for the time you take to help me find what's wrong. The failure you
described with the non commercial disks is very close to what actually
happens. I noticed it plays very well the commercial ones, but it starts to
malfunction as soon as I insert a homemade one. Do you suggest that I should
take the lens assemble apart? 

Adrian

 

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Of Fred Longworth
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:18 PM


To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A

 

Hi Adrian,

 

Air bulbs do not clean laser lenses. This is because the #1 cause of
contamination is a greasy film. This is the same greasy film that gets on
eyeglasses, your computer screen, the surfaces of records, and the inside
windshield of your car. This greasy film is largely composed of aromatic
oils generated from cooking, plants (e.g. flowers), aerosol sprays, and
automobile exhaust. It is primarily an urban phenomenon.

 

The greasy film acts as a binder for ordinary atmospheric dust.

 

Although I use Windex myself when cleaning styli on turntables (largely
because the cyanoacrylates used in styli cements are vulnerable to alcohol),
I do not use it around laser lenses. This is because if the tiniest amount
of Windex falls inside a laser pickup (they are open frame) it will fall on
the face of the beam-splitting prism, and will take hours to evaporate. I
use only alcohols to clean laser lenses. That said, if a person exercises
extreme care and uses a Q-tip that is only slightly moist with Windex, it
can be used with minimal risk.

 

Skipping is primarily the result of two common causes -- the failure of the
lateral motion system, and the failure of the laser. Lateral motion failures
tend to be due to sticky sliderails or a bad motor. Laser pickup failures
are usually due to aging of the laser diode combined with the gradual
accumulation of contaminants inside the pickup, both on the backside of the
focus lens and on the topside of the beam-splitting prism.

 

Until about 2005, skipping was more often due to pickup failure than to
lateral motion troubles. The diagnostic "proof" of laser failure would be
that the machine would still play commercially-made CDs, but would mistrack
on homemade (burned) CDs, or on a test CD with a weak data track. In recent
years, more and more sliderails have gummed up, and more and more lateral
motion motors (usually RF-310T-11400) have developed internal failures,
often near short circuits. Also, on Sanyo-type disc drives, the lateral
motion (aka "sled") motor has a tiny gear that cracks.

 

You can use contact and control cleaner on a small DC motor, but in my
experience it does little good. We lube them with Teflon lube, and replace
them when they fail. If they are rare or "unobtainium" motors, we take them
apart and service the brushes and commutator.

 

Best,

 

Fred Longworth

Owner

Classic Audio Repair

www.repairaudio.com

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

This is correct; it is a Teflon based lubricant and it works miracles.

Adrian

Update on the OMS-2A

The disc(s) play but on some of them there are drop outs during play.

I did not touch the motors, but I will now. I'm going to open it again,
clean all moving parts and lube them, also I will use my miracle working "MG
Chemicals - NU-Trol Control Cleaner" on the motors.

The lens looks super clean and shiny. I use a magnifier glass 10x and can
tell it's clean.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,

Adrian

 

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Of Fred Longworth
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:59 AM


To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A

 

That is a Teflon-based lubricant. Teflon is a miracle chemical. Teflon lubes
are also made by Tri-Flow and ZEP.

A chemist told me that Teflon molecules are shaped something like M&M's,
which by their very shape make them slippery and slidey.

In my repair shop, we've determined, for example, that the best lube for
small DC motors is a Teflon-based product. For larger bearings it's somewhat
of a tossup between Teflon-based lubed and standard machine oil.

Fred Longworth
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

Thanks all!

I hope the problem was solved. My discs which didn't play yesterday do it
now. The sound is nice, as it was on the discs which did play before.

I use for cleaning of things like this only professional grade chemicals.
Now I used the MG Chemicals "Audio Video HEAD CLEANER". I cut a strip out of
a new microfiber cloth and wind it around the rails; then I pulled on both
ends. I manually rotated the motor to move the lens to the other side of the
rails and cleaned again.

After evaluating the way it was designed and the speed and precision it's
supposed to work at, I decided that a very low viscosity lube would be best.
I applied two drops of the lube I use on my turntable restoration projects -
the one I use for the direct powered belt drive motors. After long time
testing and working on turntables, I came to the most satisfactory results
using "Finish Line - Dry" Lubricant.

This is a product designed for the bicycle industry; it's a high end
product, designed in the USA and produced in Canada. It is only to be used
in dry conditions. The formula fits perfect the needs for my projects.

I highly recommend it. It can be found in the "Performance Bicycle" stores.

I'll get back with updates if problems will appear. 

 

Adrian

 

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Of Fred Longworth
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:11 PM


To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks

Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-2A

 

Yes.

 

Pure isopropanol is fine for plastics. Rubbing alcohol unfortunately
contains a mixture of water and isopropanol.

 

WD40 is completely unacceptable. Use products by Caig Laboratories, e.g.
Caig DeoxIT D5, Caig Faderlube, and Caig GOLD. It is not enough to
lubricate. You need to actually remove the oxidation.

 

Fred Longworth

Owner

Classic Audio Repair

www.repairaudio.com

 

 

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM, John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com> wrote:

Hi

 

Is Isopropanol OK on plastic?

 

I would normally use that, then silicon grease. 

 

And Servisol switch cleaner (UK) for any electrical switches. I know a very
brilliant electronics engineer who realigns tuners in his sleep and builds
single ended amps from scratch etc who uses nothing but WD40 for switch
cleaning! Is that OK with you guys?

 

Regards

 

John Chapman

ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS

 

chapman.w2 at sky.com

 

10 Belmont Terrace

Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX

01872 865505

07740 565255

 

http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/

 

 

 

On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:45, Fred Longworth wrote:

 

Another poster suggested use of Windex for cleaning the sliderails.

Neither Windex nor rubbing alcohol are acceptable solvents for use on
closely-knitted mechanical systems. The reason for this is that both
formulations contain WATER, which has a low viscosity, can seep into
crevices and remain there for days or weeks, and which causes oxidation.

We use ethanol, commonly sold in stores (e.g. Home Depot) as "denatured
alcohol." Ethanol evaporates fairly quickly, and does not promote oxidation.

Fred
Owner
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

* * * * *

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Fred Longworth
<classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:

The common failures:

(1) Laser pickup.
(2) Spin motor.
(3) Sled (lateral motion) motor.
(4) Sticky sliderails.

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

I never had one of these and when I found it in cosmetic mint condition I
did not hesitate and purchased it. I thought it would be cool to have a
secondary set-up consisting of a Nakamichi cassette deck (680ZX), a receiver
(SR-4A) and this CD player (OMS-2A).

It looks great all together and it even operates with my harmony remote. The
sound is not bad at all, but it's not a given fact that it will play. This
being said, I wonder if this is common for these vintage CD players, not to
play any given disk or to have interruptions during playback. I have more CD
players in my closet than I will ever use(simply nice ones and can't decide
to let go.) and all function flawlessly; the only one which looks really
cool in this set-up is the only one giving me headache. 

My question is:

Is this a bad player, is it old technology and that's all it can do or does
it need attention?

Thanks,

Adrian

 

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From bernardsda at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  1 23:32:17 2012
From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 07:32:17 +0900
Subject: [naktalk] ZXL transport
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Gerhard,

Thanks for giving me the detailed instructions for boxing the ZXL. I'm sure many of us in this forum will be interested. The problem for me is cost: I could buy a Dragon in good condition for the cost of sending this deck overseas for a service and having it sent back – not including the actual cost of service!
I do have a service manual in English. Thanks again.

Bernard

On 02/03/2012, at 12:14 AM, Gerhard Wartha wrote:

> bernard,
> 
> 
> If  you can reed japanese I can send you the NAKAMICHI Service in Japan.
> 
> What Voltage does you ZXL need ?
> 
> Gerhard
> 
> 
> Am 01.03.2012 um 11:48 schrieb Bernard White:
> 
>> Bala and Adrian, I TOTALLY agree. I would love to be able to send my deck for a complete service. But the problem is, I live in Korea. If I was in Europe, I'd send it to someone like Luis. If I was in the US, I wouldn't hesitate. My only hope is, if I go to the US in connection with my PhD studies in the next year or two, I'd take it with me. I have to work with what I've got here, or just send the transport. But I welcome the advice; I'm taking it all in!
>> (P.S. I saw a nice, functioning Dragon here for about $600. It's tempting. But I also think, what if THAT also develops problems. But, as I say, it seems to be in good condition (though I haven't yet auditioned it); it would cost lest to buy the Dragon than it would to pay for postage to send my ZXL to America and back!)
>> 
>> Thanks a lot for the comments.
>> 
>> Bernard
>> 
>> 
>> On 01/03/2012, at 10:58 AM, Adrian Mechner wrote:
>> 
>>> Allow me a few words to this issue, please.
>>> First of all, if you're in USA., shipping a well packed deck like yours with
>>> FedEx will not exceed $40 cross country. For a unit like that, brought back
>>> to life this is not an amount you should worry because the gain in value
>>> will cover 10 times your expenses.
>>> Second and most important, sending to someone only the transport might be
>>> your worst bet. Not only could the malfunction be in a different place, like
>>> one of the IC that drives it, but you might want the service to make sure it
>>> works. You assume that the service would have a unit of the same type to
>>> test it, which I would not bet on...
>>> My 2 cents of wisdom: If you own a deck worth what a good 1000 ZXL is worth,
>>> you should send it over to the right place for service; In US that would be
>>> Willy.
>>> Adrian
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Bernard White
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:27 PM
>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>> Subject: [naktalk] ZXL transport
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have a 1000 ZXL of which the transport is not quite what it should be. I
>>> want to explore the possibility of having just the transport taken out and
>>> sent to someone for servicing (I don't need to tell you the cost of sending
>>> the whole deck!) Perhaps someone like Luis or Willy might be able to help.
>>> The deck has been unused for a while.
>>> 
>>> Three things in particular seem not right with the transport: (1)
>>> Mechanically, it seems inordinately noisy in play mode; (2) pressing play
>>> sometimes results in no action except for a buzzing sound as the system
>>> tries to work; in other words, the transport doesn't move up and engage with
>>> the tape; With repeated pressing it eventually operates; (3) There is no
>>> signal in the right channel. This has been on and off for a while. A number
>>> of electronic components (e.g. on the power board and in other places) were
>>> replaced some time back, but without affecting this problem; it has been
>>> suggested to me that that it is just a matter of the connections going to
>>> the head; (4) there is a strong electronic noise on playback; again the
>>> upgrade of quite a few of the caps and ics has failed to resolve this.
>>> 
>>> Thus, my questions are: (1) by having the transport serviced, which (if any)
>>> of these issues are likely to be resolved? (2) are there any special
>>> cautions when removing the transport? and (3) what are the costs likely to
>>> be?
>>> 
>>> Although there is a techie here in Korea who is quite a clever guy and able
>>> to do some quite good work on Nak cassette decks, the language barrier is
>>> sometimes a problem and I'm not quite sure the degree to which he
>>> understands what I'm asking. I'm certainly not up to removing the transport
>>> myself, but I imagine he would be.
>>> 
>>> Bowers & Wilkins no longer do even this kind of service for a ZXL and Jeff
>>> Galin won't touch a deck that has been "tampered with" by a non-Nak expert.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions? I'd appreciate your thoughts.
>>> 
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From mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net  Sat Mar  3 06:15:38 2012
From: mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net (Michael Marshall)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 21:15:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DAT
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I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for several years and have 
a good customer who bought the digital stack including a DAT recorder and CD 
transport from me.  I have not seen them in some time and I don't know if they 
are in working condition.  I told him I would try to sell them for him and I 
just want see if anyone is interested in the DAT or both.  If so, I can get them 
out of storage and check them out.  They are stored in Conroe, TX, about an hour 
from Houston.  Let me know and I'll pursue it further.
Mike Marshall
Houston
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From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 09:41:59 2012
From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:41:59 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DAT
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Mike,

Check the CD transport to see if it has a loading problem. A belt is
commonly used to open the close the drawer, and when they sit around the
belt often gets brittle and stretches out. Generally, a very simple fix.

As for the DAT, they're basically miniature audio VHS transports.
Unfortunately when they miniaturized them they correspondingly scaled down
the mechanical strength of the "basket" that you insert the cassette into.
The result? Over time, the basket often bends out of alignment. This
results in problems loading and unloading the tape. So, test the DAT to see
if it loads and unloads properly. Sadly, most DAT makers did not supply the
basket as a single, integral unit. You had to buy individual parts, some of
which were available, and some of which were not. In 2012, most are
"unobtainium."

If it's any consolation, the loading systems for mini-discs were even worse!

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
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On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Michael Marshall
<mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for several years and
> have a good customer who bought the digital stack including a DAT recorder
> and CD transport from me.  I have not seen them in some time and I don't
> know if they are in working condition.  I told him I would try to sell them
> for him and I just want see if anyone is interested in the DAT or both.  If
> so, I can get them out of storage and check them out.  They are stored in
> Conroe, TX, about an hour from Houston.  Let me know and I'll pursue it
> further.
> Mike Marshall
> Houston
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From jphscott at mac.com  Mon Mar  5 09:51:17 2012
From: jphscott at mac.com (Scotts at Hollybush)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:51:17 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DAT
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2 points:

I have and use examples of both of these.  There appear to be no spare parts available for the DAT, but I have found a Sony specialist in the UK who serviced mine (apparently the drive mechanism was "borrowed" by Sony in the mid 90s).   The CD player, on the other hand, is easier to deal with and can be serviced by Bowers & Wilkins, including changing the belts that run the autochange mechanism.  Does he also have the 1000p?  DAT unit has no DAC.

Second point:  I have been looking for years for an English language version of the instruction books for these.  Any chance of being able to buy a photocopy from your friend?

They are great units, by the way!

John Scott
Scotland


On 3 Mar 2012, at 05:15, Michael Marshall wrote:

> I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for several years and have a good customer who bought the digital stack including a DAT recorder and CD transport from me.  I have not seen them in some time and I don't know if they are in working condition.  I told him I would try to sell them for him and I just want see if anyone is interested in the DAT or both.  If so, I can get them out of storage and check them out.  They are stored in Conroe, TX, about an hour from Houston.  Let me know and I'll pursue it further.
> Mike Marshall
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From sem121470 at windstream.net  Mon Mar  5 14:26:19 2012
From: sem121470 at windstream.net (GlassWolf)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:26:19 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DAT
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What model is each, and what are you asking for them?

On 3/3/2012 12:15 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
> I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for several years 
> and have a good customer who bought the digital stack including a DAT 
> recorder and CD transport from me.  I have not seen them in some time 
> and I don't know if they are in working condition.  I told him I would 
> try to sell them for him and I just want see if anyone is interested 
> in the DAT or both.  If so, I can get them out of storage and check 
> them out.  They are stored in Conroe, TX, about an hour from Houston.  
> Let me know and I'll pursue it further.
> Mike Marshall
> Houston
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From solexny at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 19:21:33 2012
From: solexny at gmail.com (Dan Moy)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 13:21:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] For Sale BX-300 -- $300.00 OBO
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I'm the second owner of a BX-300 that is in excellent condition
(except a scratch on the top of the cover).  I have changed the idler
tire and cleaned the reel motor.  It comes in the original box (will
be double boxed for shipping)

I'm asking $300.00 + shipping and fees associated with payment.

Regards,
Dan


From jeruff at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 22:40:01 2012
From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 13:40:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
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minidisc worse?  I use the format pretty much daily, and I've never experienced any real issues with jamming or otherwise.  I keep thinking I'll get away from the format, but the editing is so sweet, I keep using it--helps to have the recording deck in the car that allows me to track-mark my discs in between destinations--and sometimes catch radio programs while I'm out and about.  Even if you're leaving the car, you can set it to finish the recording while the car's off!  Pretty sweet.  Get your MD tracked, and then you just burn to CD.  Upload to computer from there...sound may not be as good as dat, but as far as reliability?  MD hands down in my experiences.  And when you're recording off the radio or just taking some vinyl on the road, the sound's perfectly adaquate.
Jesse
 
p.s.  Sorry to get so off topic, but I couldn't resist.


--- On Mon, 3/5/12, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak DAT
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 3:41 AM


Mike,

Check the CD transport to see if it has a loading problem. A belt is commonly used to open the close the drawer, and when they sit around the belt often gets brittle and stretches out. Generally, a very simple fix.

As for the DAT, they're basically miniature audio VHS transports. Unfortunately when they miniaturized them they correspondingly scaled down the mechanical strength of the "basket" that you insert the cassette into. The result? Over time, the basket often bends out of alignment. This results in problems loading and unloading the tape. So, test the DAT to see if it loads and unloads properly. Sadly, most DAT makers did not supply the basket as a single, integral unit. You had to buy individual parts, some of which were available, and some of which were not. In 2012, most are "unobtainium."

If it's any consolation, the loading systems for mini-discs were even worse!

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com 


On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Michael Marshall <mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net> wrote:




I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for several years and have a good customer who bought the digital stack including a DAT recorder and CD transport from me.  I have not seen them in some time and I don't know if they are in working condition.  I told him I would try to sell them for him and I just want see if anyone is interested in the DAT or both.  If so, I can get them out of storage and check them out.  They are stored in Conroe, TX, about an hour from Houston.  Let me know and I'll pursue it further.
Mike Marshall
Houston

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From sem121470 at windstream.net  Wed Mar  7 16:00:07 2012
From: sem121470 at windstream.net (GlassWolf)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:00:07 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
In-Reply-To: <1331070001.85710.YahooMailClassic@web83705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <1331070001.85710.YahooMailClassic@web83705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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If I recall, the thing that stopped MD from really picking up in the 
mobile audio community at the time it was pushed in the early 90s, was 
both the serial copy protection deal, and more so, the compression it 
used that supposedly prevented it from having the frequency response of 
a CD.
Oh yeah, and of course the cost.


On 3/6/2012 4:40 PM, jesse ruff wrote:
> minidisc worse?  I use the format pretty much daily, and I've never 
> experienced any real issues with jamming or otherwise.  I keep 
> thinking I'll get away from the format, but the editing is so sweet, I 
> keep using it--helps to have the recording deck in the car that allows 
> me to track-mark my discs in between destinations--and sometimes catch 
> radio programs while I'm out and about.  Even if you're leaving the 
> car, you can set it to finish the recording while the car's off!  
> Pretty sweet.  Get your MD tracked, and then you just burn to CD.  
> Upload to computer from there...sound may not be as good as dat, but 
> as far as reliability?  MD hands down in my experiences.  And when 
> you're recording off the radio or just taking some vinyl on the road, 
> the sound's perfectly adaquate.
> Jesse
> p.s.  Sorry to get so off topic, but I couldn't resist.
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 3/5/12, Fred Longworth /<classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>/* 
> wrote:
>
>
>     From: Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
>     Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak DAT
>     To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>     Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 3:41 AM
>
>     Mike,
>
>     Check the CD transport to see if it has a loading problem. A belt
>     is commonly used to open the close the drawer, and when they sit
>     around the belt often gets brittle and stretches out. Generally, a
>     very simple fix.
>
>     As for the DAT, they're basically miniature audio VHS transports.
>     Unfortunately when they miniaturized them they correspondingly
>     scaled down the mechanical strength of the "basket" that you
>     insert the cassette into. The result? Over time, the basket often
>     bends out of alignment. This results in problems loading and
>     unloading the tape. So, test the DAT to see if it loads and
>     unloads properly. Sadly, most DAT makers did not supply the basket
>     as a single, integral unit. You had to buy individual parts, some
>     of which were available, and some of which were not. In 2012, most
>     are "unobtainium."
>
>     If it's any consolation, the loading systems for mini-discs were
>     even worse!
>
>     Fred
>     Classic Audio Repair
>     www.repairaudio.com <http://www.repairaudio.com/>
>
>     On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Michael Marshall
>     <mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net
>     <http://us.mc837.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net>>
>     wrote:
>
>         I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for
>         several years and have a good customer who bought the digital
>         stack including a DAT recorder and CD transport from me.  I
>         have not seen them in some time and I don't know if they are
>         in working condition.  I told him I would try to sell them for
>         him and I just want see if anyone is interested in the DAT or
>         both.  If so, I can get them out of storage and check them
>         out.  They are stored in Conroe, TX, about an hour from
>         Houston.  Let me know and I'll pursue it further.
>         Mike Marshall
>         Houston
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From fergus.cullen at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 21:40:05 2012
From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:40:05 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550
Message-ID: <CACeid-Tbenffm6aHDwb15w=L887LcPoPM2Ha0jj7WczYC=fhvA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

I've been using my 550 for a few years now with no trouble at all.
These days I'm noticing a very faint humming/whirring/buzzing sound when
it's playing or recording (basically whenever the play button is engaged).
It's not VERY noisy but it is being picked up on all of my recordings over
the last week or so .

Any ideas?

Thanks

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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 13:12:34 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 04:12:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
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References: <1331070001.85710.YahooMailClassic@web83705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4F5777F7.2070307@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <1331208754.50548.YahooMailNeo@web160606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

It was more of Sony's obsessive licensing practices that really killed the platform. What they had in the minidisc was really two technologies - the disc and the ATRAC compression system. IMHO, ATRAC is a very superior codec that is still better then some higher end codecs available today. A few years ago, Sony did queer things with ATRAC but never used it in a way Apple did with their own lossless codecs. 


To get a real taste of what ATRAC can do, one should try the JA-555ES flagship minidisc deck from Sony. Asides from the usual endowments all the ES equipment get, this puppy also has the Type R ATRAC coding. Frequency response starts from 5Hz. My jaw dropped when I first heard them - they are the next best thing after reel to reel and seriously, leave CDs way behind. Another mid range deck from Sony also featured the Type R ATRAC although Sony was more quiet about this as they field tested the Type R in this model whose number I can't remember. Again, the Type R has to be heard to be believed. 


I only wish that ATRAC was available more openly like FLAC and in more devices. It is my most favourite codec after FLAC and would have made digital music more listenable. 


On a more poigant note, minidisc was also the last achievment for Norio Ohga. Ohga-san was the person behind many of Sony's engineering success and was the Steve Jobs in Sony. Handling everything from the look and feel of the products right down to the engineering, he personally had a hand in many of Sony's audio products and shortwave radios. He got his foot into the door by suggesting many engineering changes to one of Sony's first open reel decks, the Model G (for Government). A trained soprano, sound quality was one of his main emphasis and he has been credited with championing 16 bits for the red book standard against Philips 14-bit proposal. A temperamental person who had many talents, Ohga-san was passionate about music. Ironically, he passed on just months before Steve Jobs in May last year. 

Bala 




________________________________
 From: GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
 

If I recall, the thing that stopped MD from really picking up in the mobile audio community at the time it was pushed in the early 90s, was both the serial copy protection deal, and more so, the compression it used that supposedly prevented it from having the frequency response of a CD.
Oh yeah, and of course the cost.


On 3/6/2012 4:40 PM, jesse ruff wrote: 
minidisc worse?  I use the format pretty much daily, and I've never experienced any real issues with jamming or otherwise.  I keep thinking I'll get away from the format, but the editing is so sweet, I keep using it--helps to have the recording deck in the car that allows me to track-mark my discs in between destinations--and sometimes catch radio programs while I'm out and about.  Even if you're leaving the car, you can set it to finish the recording while the car's off!  Pretty sweet.  Get your MD tracked, and then you just burn to CD.  Upload to computer from there...sound may not be as good as dat, but as far as reliability?  MD hands down in my experiences.  And when you're recording off the radio or just taking some vinyl on the road, the sound's perfectly adaquate.
>Jesse
> 
>p.s.  Sorry to get so off topic, but I couldn't resist.
>
>
>--- On Mon, 3/5/12, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak DAT
>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 3:41 AM
>>
>>
>>Mike,
>>
>>Check the CD transport to see if it has a loading
                  problem. A belt is commonly used to open the close the
                  drawer, and when they sit around the belt often gets
                  brittle and stretches out. Generally, a very simple
                  fix.
>>
>>As for the DAT, they're basically miniature audio VHS
                  transports. Unfortunately when they miniaturized them
                  they correspondingly scaled down the mechanical
                  strength of the "basket" that you insert the cassette
                  into. The result? Over time, the basket often bends
                  out of alignment. This results in problems loading and
                  unloading the tape. So, test the DAT to see if it
                  loads and unloads properly. Sadly, most DAT makers did
                  not supply the basket as a single, integral unit. You
                  had to buy individual parts, some of which were
                  available, and some of which were not. In 2012, most
                  are "unobtainium."
>>
>>If it's any consolation, the loading systems for
                  mini-discs were even worse!
>>
>>Fred
>>Classic Audio Repair
>>www.repairaudio.com 
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Michael Marshall <mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for several years and have a good customer who bought the digital stack including a DAT recorder and CD transport from me.  I have not seen them in some time and I don't know if they are in working condition.  I told him I would try to sell them for him and I just want see if anyone is interested in the DAT or both.  If so, I can get them out of storage and check them out.  They are stored in Conroe, TX, about an hour from Houston.  Let me know and I'll pursue it further.
>>>Mike Marshall
>>>Houston
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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Thu Mar  8 14:56:56 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 14:56:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CR7-E low voltage on reel motor
Message-ID: <20120308145656.12856ckgmhzf38vc@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>

Hi all,

After fixing the problems with the Display unit of this CR7 i have  
problems with the reel motor. It hasn't enough strength to play a  
cassette. I measure only 2.6 volt in play mode on the motor . The  
manual speaks about 4,4 volt in play mode. The rewind and ff mode has  
the right voltage about 6,7 volt.

I have measured all the transistors in the circuit and they are ok.

When i stop the motor with my hand the voltage runs up to 3,6 volt.

Anyone in this forum with a clue on this one?

Regards Norman


From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 18:00:51 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 09:00:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] CR7-E low voltage on reel motor
In-Reply-To: <20120308145656.12856ckgmhzf38vc@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
References: <20120308145656.12856ckgmhzf38vc@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
Message-ID: <1331226051.50772.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



The torque required to play a cassette is very low. Still, 2.2V is kinda on the low side.
Assuming the reel motor is good (which definitely is NOT not a safe assumption),
check PB torque and adjust R601 per the service manual. 

Be aware that many Sankyo reel motors have deteriorated over the years and 

developed 'dead spots' that are troublesome in PB (exactly because the motor is run 

at very low voltage) but not necessarily in FF or REW.  If that's your case, you can 

try to spray contact cleaner into the motor (some people have claimed success with 

this. I am not one of them), rebuild the motor (also, poor success rate) or replacement.

Good luck,

-- Ron




>________________________________
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>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:56 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] CR7-E low voltage on reel motor
> 
>Hi all,
>
>After fixing the problems with the Display unit of this CR7 i have problems with the reel motor. It hasn't enough strength to play a cassette. I measure only 2.6 volt in play mode on the motor . The manual speaks about 4,4 volt in play mode. The rewind and ff mode has the right voltage about 6,7 volt.
>
>I have measured all the transistors in the circuit and they are ok.
>
>When i stop the motor with my hand the voltage runs up to 3,6 volt.
>
>Anyone in this forum with a clue on this one?
>
>Regards Norman
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  8 20:16:41 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 09:16:41 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
In-Reply-To: <1331208754.50548.YahooMailNeo@web160606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1331070001.85710.YahooMailClassic@web83705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4F5777F7.2070307@windstream.net>
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Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP17487636233A199BFEE07FD86570@phx.gbl>

Interesting. Thanks Bala! I've always preferred my mini-disc sound to mp3's.
Now I know why.
 
Aloha,
Cheryl

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Bala Ganesh Chandra
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 2:13 AM
To: glasswolf at glasswolf.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD


It was more of Sony's obsessive licensing practices that really killed the
platform. What they had in the minidisc was really two technologies - the
disc and the ATRAC compression system. IMHO, ATRAC is a very superior codec
that is still better then some higher end codecs available today. A few
years ago, Sony did queer things with ATRAC but never used it in a way Apple
did with their own lossless codecs. 


To get a real taste of what ATRAC can do, one should try the JA-555ES
flagship minidisc deck from Sony. Asides from the usual endowments all the
ES equipment get, this puppy also has the Type R ATRAC coding. Frequency
response starts from 5Hz. My jaw dropped when I first heard them - they are
the next best thing after reel to reel and seriously, leave CDs way behind.
Another mid range deck from Sony also featured the Type R ATRAC although
Sony was more quiet about this as they field tested the Type R in this model
whose number I can't remember. Again, the Type R has to be heard to be
believed. 


I only wish that ATRAC was available more openly like FLAC and in more
devices. It is my most favourite codec after FLAC and would have made
digital music more listenable. 


On a more poigant note, minidisc was also the last achievment for Norio
Ohga. Ohga-san was the person behind many of Sony's engineering success and
was the Steve Jobs in Sony. Handling everything from the look and feel of
the products right down to the engineering, he personally had a hand in many
of Sony's audio products and shortwave radios. He got his foot into the door
by suggesting many engineering changes to one of Sony's first open reel
decks, the Model G (for Government). A trained soprano, sound quality was
one of his main emphasis and he has been credited with championing 16 bits
for the red book standard against Philips 14-bit proposal. A temperamental
person who had many talents, Ohga-san was passionate about music.
Ironically, he passed on just months before Steve Jobs in May last year. 

Bala 




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From: GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD


If I recall, the thing that stopped MD from really picking up in the mobile
audio community at the time it was pushed in the early 90s, was both the
serial copy protection deal, and more so, the compression it used that
supposedly prevented it from having the frequency response of a CD.
Oh yeah, and of course the cost.


On 3/6/2012 4:40 PM, jesse ruff wrote: 


minidisc worse?  I use the format pretty much daily, and I've never
experienced any real issues with jamming or otherwise.  I keep thinking I'll
get away from the format, but the editing is so sweet, I keep using
it--helps to have the recording deck in the car that allows me to track-mark
my discs in between destinations--and sometimes catch radio programs while
I'm out and about.  Even if you're leaving the car, you can set it to finish
the recording while the car's off!  Pretty sweet.  Get your MD tracked, and
then you just burn to CD.  Upload to computer from there...sound may not be
as good as dat, but as far as reliability?  MD hands down in my experiences.
And when you're recording off the radio or just taking some vinyl on the
road, the sound's perfectly adaquate.
Jesse
 
p.s.  Sorry to get so off topic, but I couldn't resist.


--- On Mon, 3/5/12, Fred Longworth  <mailto:classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
<classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:



From: Fred Longworth  <mailto:classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
<classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak DAT
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"  <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
<naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 3:41 AM


Mike,

Check the CD transport to see if it has a loading problem. A belt is
commonly used to open the close the drawer, and when they sit around the
belt often gets brittle and stretches out. Generally, a very simple fix.

As for the DAT, they're basically miniature audio VHS transports.
Unfortunately when they miniaturized them they correspondingly scaled down
the mechanical strength of the "basket" that you insert the cassette into.
The result? Over time, the basket often bends out of alignment. This results
in problems loading and unloading the tape. So, test the DAT to see if it
loads and unloads properly. Sadly, most DAT makers did not supply the basket
as a single, integral unit. You had to buy individual parts, some of which
were available, and some of which were not. In 2012, most are "unobtainium."

If it's any consolation, the loading systems for mini-discs were even worse!

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com <http://www.repairaudio.com/>  


On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Michael Marshall <mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net
<http://us.mc837.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net> >
wrote:


I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for several years and
have a good customer who bought the digital stack including a DAT recorder
and CD transport from me.  I have not seen them in some time and I don't
know if they are in working condition.  I told him I would try to sell them
for him and I just want see if anyone is interested in the DAT or both.  If
so, I can get them out of storage and check them out.  They are stored in
Conroe, TX, about an hour from Houston.  Let me know and I'll pursue it
further.
Mike Marshall
Houston


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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Fri Mar  9 09:17:28 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:17:28 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CR7-E low voltage on reel motor
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Hi Ron,

you are right. I replaced the reelmotor with one from a parts deck and  
the problem is gone. I never did realize that this motors are running  
on such a low voltage. I wonder if there is a good replacement motor  
for this one?

I am a little disappointed about my motor rebuild job. I carefully  
take the motor apart , cleaned the commutator and even so the brushes  
and did a carefully rebuild. Still i have dead spots on that motor. I  
think that the brushes are the problem. The small area where they make  
contact are worned out , so cleaning can't resolve this problem. If we  
have replacement brushes  we can do the job.

Mm, well, i have the motor on the bench and are giving it a retry.  
Maybe I can simply switch the brushes with each other to get a new  
area where the sliders contact the commutator.

Do you have places where we become replacement reel motors?

Regards Norman




Citeren Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>:

>
>
> The torque required to play a cassette is very low. Still, 2.2V is  
> kinda on the low side.
> Assuming the reel motor is good (which definitely is NOT not a safe  
> assumption),
> check PB torque and adjust R601 per the service manual. 
>
> Be aware that many Sankyo reel motors have deteriorated over the years and
>
> developed 'dead spots' that are troublesome in PB (exactly because  
> the motor is run
>
> at very low voltage) but not necessarily in FF or REW.  If that's  
> your case, you can
>
> try to spray contact cleaner into the motor (some people have  
> claimed success with
>
> this. I am not one of them), rebuild the motor (also, poor success  
> rate) or replacement.
>
> Good luck,
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl" <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl>
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:56 AM
>> Subject: [naktalk] CR7-E low voltage on reel motor
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> After fixing the problems with the Display unit of this CR7 i have  
>> problems with the reel motor. It hasn't enough strength to play a  
>> cassette. I measure only 2.6 volt in play mode on the motor . The  
>> manual speaks about 4,4 volt in play mode. The rewind and ff mode  
>> has the right voltage about 6,7 volt.
>>
>> I have measured all the transistors in the circuit and they are ok.
>>
>> When i stop the motor with my hand the voltage runs up to 3,6 volt.
>>
>> Anyone in this forum with a clue on this one?
>>
>> Regards Norman
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From mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar  9 17:06:32 2012
From: mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net (Michael Marshall)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 08:06:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DAT
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Sorry to be so tardy in responding.  This didn't pass my spam filter, although 
other NAK messages have.
He does (or at least did) have the 1000p.  I'll have to ask if he has the 
manuals. Probably so, because he kept binders or everything, which was a special 
room in his house just for his electronics.  I don't see him often.  He is in 
retirement an hour away from me and the gear is in storage.
Mike




________________________________
From: Scotts at Hollybush <jphscott at mac.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, March 5, 2012 2:51:17 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak DAT

2 points:

I have and use examples of both of these.  There appear to be no spare parts 
available for the DAT, but I have found a Sony specialist in the UK who serviced 
mine (apparently the drive mechanism was "borrowed" by Sony in the mid 90s).   
The CD player, on the other hand, is easier to deal with and can be serviced by 
Bowers & Wilkins, including changing the belts that run the autochange 
mechanism.  Does he also have the 1000p?  DAT unit has no DAC.

Second point:  I have been looking for years for an English language version of 
the instruction books for these.  Any chance of being able to buy a photocopy 
from your friend?

They are great units, by the way!

John Scott
Scotland



On 3 Mar 2012, at 05:15, Michael Marshall wrote:

I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for several years and have 
a good customer who bought the digital stack including a DAT recorder and CD 
transport from me.  I have not seen them in some time and I don't know if they 
are in working condition.  I told him I would try to sell them for him and I 
just want see if anyone is interested in the DAT or both.  If so, I can get them 
out of storage and check them out.  They are stored in Conroe, TX, about an hour 
from Houston.  Let me know and I'll pursue it further.
>Mike Marshall
>Houston
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From mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar  9 17:32:40 2012
From: mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net (Michael Marshall)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 08:32:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DAT
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I'm sorry to be late in replying.  This landed in my spam box where a couple of 
other responses didn't.  There was only one model of each of these, a digital 
processor shared by a CD transport and a DAT transport, all with (I think) 1000 
as the model number.  I haven't seen them in years and don't know if they work.  
I was just putting out a feeler to see if there was interest.  They are in 
storage an hour from me.  I am not selling them.  They belong to a former 
customer who would set the sell price.  If you are sincerely interested in 
purchasing them, I will have to make arrangements to get into the storage 
location, test them somehow and ask the owner how much he wants for them.  They 
were quite expensive when he bought them.  If you're asking just from curiosity, 
I don't want to make the trip.
Regards,
Mike




________________________________
From: GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, March 5, 2012 7:26:19 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak DAT

What model is each, and what are you asking for them?

On 3/3/2012 12:15 AM, Michael Marshall wrote: 
I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for           several years 
and have a good customer who bought the digital           stack including a DAT 
recorder and CD transport from me.  I           have not seen them in some time 
and I don't know if they are           in working condition.  I told him I would 
try to sell them for           him and I just want see if anyone is interested 
in the DAT or           both.  If so, I can get them out of storage and check 
them           out.  They are stored in Conroe, TX, about an hour from           
Houston.  Let me know and I'll pursue it further.
>Mike Marshall
>Houston
>
>
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From jphscott at mac.com  Fri Mar  9 19:57:54 2012
From: jphscott at mac.com (John Scott)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 18:57:54 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DAT
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Thank you, and in answer to another post:

yes, they are all called 1000.  That's 1000mb for the CD, 1000p for the DAC and 1000 for the DAT

They were all exceedingly expensive when new, probably because they were over-engineered.  They sold for at least $6000 apiece in the early '90s, but I have seen suggestions that the price was $10,000 for each.  For this reason, few were sold, but I saw some when I lived in Japan in the early '90s.

If you take them apart, you find they are beautifully built on a huge copper chassis and each unit weighs over 20lbs.  (My Sony DAT man said he had never seen anything quite like it)

The DAT needs an external DAC, but some of the CD units have their own DAC card.  Mine does and I can't honestly hear much difference between that and the external DAT 1000p.  Nak offered 2 grades of D/A cards in the 1000p.  The better one is the D/A 111p.

They are worth rescuing if you can!


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On 9 Mar 2012, at 16:06, Michael Marshall wrote:

> Sorry to be so tardy in responding.  This didn't pass my spam filter, although other NAK messages have.
> He does (or at least did) have the 1000p.  I'll have to ask if he has the manuals. Probably so, because he kept binders or everything, which was a special room in his house just for his electronics.  I don't see him often.  He is in retirement an hour away from me and the gear is in storage.
> Mike
> 
> From: Scotts at Hollybush <jphscott at mac.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Mon, March 5, 2012 2:51:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak DAT
> 
> 2 points:
> 
> I have and use examples of both of these.  There appear to be no spare parts available for the DAT, but I have found a Sony specialist in the UK who serviced mine (apparently the drive mechanism was "borrowed" by Sony in the mid 90s).   The CD player, on the other hand, is easier to deal with and can be serviced by Bowers & Wilkins, including changing the belts that run the autochange mechanism.  Does he also have the 1000p?  DAT unit has no DAC.
> 
> Second point:  I have been looking for years for an English language version of the instruction books for these.  Any chance of being able to buy a photocopy from your friend?
> 
> They are great units, by the way!
> 
> John Scott
> Scotland
> 
> 
> On 3 Mar 2012, at 05:15, Michael Marshall wrote:
> 
>> I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for several years and have a good customer who bought the digital stack including a DAT recorder and CD transport from me.  I have not seen them in some time and I don't know if they are in working condition.  I told him I would try to sell them for him and I just want see if anyone is interested in the DAT or both.  If so, I can get them out of storage and check them out.  They are stored in Conroe, TX, about an hour from Houston.  Let me know and I'll pursue it further.
>> Mike Marshall
>> Houston
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From bobbenwailer at hotmail.co.uk  Sun Mar 11 10:11:36 2012
From: bobbenwailer at hotmail.co.uk (Ben Stratford)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 09:11:36 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL
Message-ID: <BLU156-W6BD859C6BFBD9DB180022905A0@phx.gbl>





My deck is sporadically taking no notice of transport commands.  Often it is fine for a few days then all of a sudden, nothing happens when play is selected from stop position.
Having checked the alignment of all the park positions and made a minute adjustment to the stop position, I thought I had it sorted.  However, the problem has just returned.
 When play is pressed in this scenario, if i help the cam rotate a fraction, the thing bursts into life as though nothing is wrong and works well for a while.
I suspect there is a dead spot on the control motor commutator, does this sound consistent with the above symptoms?  
 
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Sun Mar 11 16:21:57 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 08:21:57 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL
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Also suspect a dead spot on the pot attached to the back of the cam.

Willy

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Ben Stratford
<bobbenwailer at hotmail.co.uk>wrote:

>  My deck is sporadically taking no notice of transport commands. Often it
> is fine for a few days then all of a sudden, nothing happens when play is
> selected from stop position.
> Having checked the alignment of all the park positions and made a minute
> adjustment to the stop position, I thought I had it sorted. However, the
> problem has just returned.
> When play is pressed in this scenario, if i help the cam rotate a
> fraction, the thing bursts into life as though nothing is wrong and works
> well for a while.
> I suspect there is a dead spot on the control motor commutator, does this
> sound consistent with the above symptoms?
>
> Thanks
>
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From davidt124 at internode.on.net  Mon Mar 12 05:00:01 2012
From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 14:00:01 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade
Message-ID: <CB83B1E1.7F4A%davidt124@internode.on.net>

My ZX-9 is showing playback problems. The sound from a tape playing fades
after a few seconds and is distorted. Stopping the tape and starting again
lifts the volume but the problem repeats. I have tried different tape types
and they all play normally on another deck. I have tired repeat cleans of
the heads and tape path but with no effect. Any suggestions please?

David 


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From davidt124 at internode.on.net  Mon Mar 12 07:04:38 2012
From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:04:38 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade
Message-ID: <CB83CEA7.7F4E%davidt124@internode.on.net>

Ah, this seems to have been a cleaning issue. I dug out the original Nak
cleaning stick and pad and it did a better job than a cotton bud.
David 


>My ZX-9 is showing playback problems. The sound from a tape playing fades after
a few seconds and is distorted. Stopping the tape and starting again lifts the
volume but the problem repeats. I have tried different tape types and they all
play normally on another deck. I have tired repeat cleans of the heads and tape
path but with no effect. Any suggestions please?

David 


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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 12 08:53:06 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 00:53:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
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Hi Rajiv, 

The E-10 was a broadcast/studio use unit. I couldn't have picked a better unit to archive the recordings as the E-10 was a rugged, solid performer. 

Try some really good sources - live recordings, LPs and so on to get the full depth of what the Type R could do. Majority of digital sources are compressed and the resulting MD recording would be unimpressive. I made many discs from Revox reel to reel decks about 12 years ago on a Type R deck and the sound was just awesome. Some people think its a physical disc or similar factors that made MDs sound better. But ATRAC was one of the best things that ever happened to hifi. 

ATRAC coding involves very extensive psycho-acoustic research by Sony - in the 1990s, they were far ahead of anything available at that time. Their processing algorithms were well advanced and pretty complex. Despite that, they were beautifully  executed with Sony's proprietary semiconductors. Because it was Sony who had that minimum standard, they had to come out with a medium that could beat Philips' DAT and be good enough to be thrown into the professional or broadcast industry.  While small file size was are requirement, sound quality and performance was their priority. What the ATRAC codec also did to digital files what a good reel to reel machine did to analogue signals. The actual ATRAC paper is pretty tough reading but gives a good insight on how deep the thought was on encoding audio signals. 

Every codec available today has been designed with with an end goal - file size, bit-perfect (lossless?), streaming, DRM etc. ATRAC was for the most bit performance, but also with Sony's desire to control. They had a tough market to beat having to trounce DAT and better or equal the Red Book standard. 

Today, the possibilities for digital media capture is amazing: 24/96 has become the starting gate and low latency USB and software is giving us tremendous performance with unprecedented flexibility. With bit perfect lossless codecs, we are assured of total accuracy in and out. But sonically, I don't feel as good as listening to a MD or cassette or LP. After listening to my favorite LPs through legitimate AAC  and FLAC versions, I still feel the performance through a Type R machine was better. Today's digital Studer broadcast stations still don't sound as good as listening to a Tascam MD machine. 

Enjoy your E-10! 

Cheers
Bala 


________________________________
 From: Rajiv Pandey <rajivdallas at gmail.com>
To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Cc: "glasswolf at glasswolf.net" <glasswolf at glasswolf.net> 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
 

Bala,

Your note made me go dig up stuff on my MD deck...I used them extensively in the late 90's to the early 2000's to record live shows as they were much cheaper and portable than the DAT recorders...

A few years back I had purchased a pro MD unit from Craigslist locally (MDS-E10) as i needed to transfer the shows digitally (rather than the analog out which was on the cheaper units)...your note made me check its specs and I was surprised to find it uses the ATRAC Type-R compression...and yes the specs do look jaw dropping - 5-20,000Hz and S/N ratio of 100db for digital and 98 for analog.

I have never used MD for recording music from other sources (like CD or vinyl) but now your note has made me want to try it out...just for grins to see whether it does sound sweeter...

That said, why do you think that Type-R sounded as close to reel as possible? Aren't the latest digital captures we do using USB capture like EMU 0404 at 24/96 or 24/192 a lot closer to the source sound? I wonder why you think the MD ATRAC surpassed the lossless mediums (and I assume you mean it sounded even better than DAT)...

Rajiv


On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:

It was more of Sony's obsessive licensing practices that really killed the platform. What they had in the minidisc was really two technologies - the disc and the ATRAC compression system. IMHO, ATRAC is a very superior codec that is still better then some higher end codecs available today. A few years ago, Sony did queer things with ATRAC but never used it in a way Apple did with their own lossless codecs. 
>
>
>
>To get a real taste of what ATRAC can do, one should try the JA-555ES flagship minidisc deck from Sony. Asides from the usual endowments all the ES equipment get, this puppy also has the Type R ATRAC coding. Frequency response starts from 5Hz. My jaw dropped when I first heard them - they are the next best thing after reel to reel and seriously, leave CDs way behind. Another mid range deck from Sony also featured the Type R ATRAC although Sony was more quiet about this as they field tested the Type R in this model whose number I can't remember. Again, the Type R has to be heard to be believed. 
>
>
>
>I only wish that ATRAC was available more openly like FLAC and in more devices. It is my most favourite codec after FLAC and would have made digital music more listenable. 
>
>
>
>On a more poigant note, minidisc was also the last achievment for Norio Ohga. Ohga-san was the person behind many of Sony's engineering success and was the Steve Jobs in Sony. Handling everything from the look and feel of the products right down to the engineering, he personally had a hand in many of Sony's audio products and shortwave radios. He got his foot into the door by suggesting many engineering changes to one of Sony's first open reel decks, the Model G (for Government). A trained soprano, sound quality was one of his main emphasis and he has been credited with championing 16 bits for the red book standard against Philips 14-bit proposal. A temperamental person who had many talents, Ohga-san was passionate about music. Ironically, he passed on just months before Steve Jobs in May last year. 
>
>
>Bala 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>
>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:00 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
> 
>
>
>If I recall, the thing that stopped MD from really picking up in the mobile audio community at the time it was pushed in the early 90s, was both the serial copy protection deal, and more so, the compression it used that supposedly prevented it from having the frequency response of a CD.
>Oh yeah, and of course the cost.
>
>
>On 3/6/2012 4:40 PM, jesse ruff wrote: 
>minidisc worse?  I use the format pretty much daily, and I've never experienced any real issues with jamming or otherwise.  I keep thinking I'll get away from the format, but the editing is so sweet, I keep using it--helps to have the recording deck in the car that allows me to track-mark my discs in between destinations--and sometimes catch radio programs while I'm out and about.  Even if you're leaving the car, you can set it to finish the recording while the car's off!  Pretty sweet.  Get your MD tracked, and then you just burn to CD.  Upload to computer from there...sound may not be as good as dat, but as far as reliability?  MD hands down in my experiences.  And when you're recording off the radio or just taking some vinyl on the road, the sound's perfectly adaquate.
>>Jesse
>> 
>>p.s.  Sorry to get so off topic, but I couldn't resist.
>>
>>
>>--- On Mon, 3/5/12, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak DAT
>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 3:41 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>Mike,
>>>
>>>Check the CD transport to see if it has a loading
                  problem. A belt is commonly used to open the close the
                  drawer, and when they sit around the belt often gets
                  brittle and stretches out. Generally, a very simple
                  fix.
>>>
>>>As for the DAT, they're basically miniature audio VHS
                  transports. Unfortunately when they miniaturized them
                  they correspondingly scaled down the mechanical
                  strength of the "basket" that you insert the cassette
                  into. The result? Over time, the basket often bends
                  out of alignment. This results in problems loading and
                  unloading the tape. So, test the DAT to see if it
                  loads and unloads properly. Sadly, most DAT makers did
                  not supply the basket as a single, integral unit. You
                  had to buy individual parts, some of which were
                  available, and some of which were not. In 2012, most
                  are "unobtainium."
>>>
>>>If it's any consolation, the loading systems for
                  mini-discs were even worse!
>>>
>>>Fred
>>>Classic Audio Repair
>>>www.repairaudio.com 
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Michael Marshall <mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for several years and have a good customer who bought the digital stack including a DAT recorder and CD transport from me.  I have not seen them in some time and I don't know if they are in working condition.  I told him I would try to sell them for him and I just want see if anyone is interested in the DAT or both.  If so, I can get them out of storage and check them out.  They are stored in Conroe, TX, about an hour from Houston.  Let me know and I'll pursue it further.
>>>>Mike Marshall
>>>>Houston
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Sun Mar 11 14:41:42 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 07:41:42 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL
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Ben, I had a very similar problem with my 670zx and turned out to be a poor ground conection to the the transport plate that the control motor is grounded to. Don't know if it applies to you but you could give a quick try by putting a jumper from the chassis to the plate.

Cheers,
Rainer


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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 3:11 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL


  My deck is sporadically taking no notice of transport commands. Often it is fine for a few days then all of a sudden, nothing happens when play is selected from stop position.
  Having checked the alignment of all the park positions and made a minute adjustment to the stop position, I thought I had it sorted. However, the problem has just returned.
  When play is pressed in this scenario, if i help the cam rotate a fraction, the thing bursts into life as though nothing is wrong and works well for a while.
  I suspect there is a dead spot on the control motor commutator, does this sound consistent with the above symptoms? 

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From rajivdallas at gmail.com  Mon Mar 12 01:10:04 2012
From: rajivdallas at gmail.com (Rajiv Pandey)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:10:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
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Bala,

Your note made me go dig up stuff on my MD deck...I used them extensively
in the late 90's to the early 2000's to record live shows as they were much
cheaper and portable than the DAT recorders...

A few years back I had purchased a pro MD unit from Craigslist locally
(MDS-E10) as i needed to transfer the shows digitally (rather than the
analog out which was on the cheaper units)...your note made me check its
specs and I was surprised to find it uses the ATRAC Type-R
compression...and yes the specs do look jaw dropping - 5-20,000Hz and S/N
ratio of 100db for digital and 98 for analog.

I have never used MD for recording music from other sources (like CD or
vinyl) but now your note has made me want to try it out...just for grins to
see whether it does sound sweeter...

That said, why do you think that Type-R sounded as close to reel as
possible? Aren't the latest digital captures we do using USB capture like
EMU 0404 at 24/96 or 24/192 a lot closer to the source sound? I wonder why
you think the MD ATRAC surpassed the lossless mediums (and I assume you
mean it sounded even better than DAT)...

Rajiv

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> It was more of Sony's obsessive licensing practices that really killed the
> platform. What they had in the minidisc was really two technologies - the
> disc and the ATRAC compression system. IMHO, ATRAC is a very superior codec
> that is still better then some higher end codecs available today. A few
> years ago, Sony did queer things with ATRAC but never used it in a way
> Apple did with their own lossless codecs.
>
> To get a real taste of what ATRAC can do, one should try the JA-555ES
> flagship minidisc deck from Sony. Asides from the usual endowments all the
> ES equipment get, this puppy also has the Type R ATRAC coding. Frequency
> response starts from 5Hz. My jaw dropped when I first heard them - they are
> the next best thing after reel to reel and seriously, leave CDs way behind.
> Another mid range deck from Sony also featured the Type R ATRAC although
> Sony was more quiet about this as they field tested the Type R in this
> model whose number I can't remember. Again, the Type R has to be heard to
> be believed.
>
> I only wish that ATRAC was available more openly like FLAC and in more
> devices. It is my most favourite codec after FLAC and would have made
> digital music more listenable.
>
> On a more poigant note, minidisc was also the last achievment for Norio
> Ohga. Ohga-san was the person behind many of Sony's engineering success and
> was the Steve Jobs in Sony. Handling everything from the look and feel of
> the products right down to the engineering, he personally had a hand in
> many of Sony's audio products and shortwave radios. He got his foot into
> the door by suggesting many engineering changes to one of Sony's first open
> reel decks, the Model G (for Government). A trained soprano, sound quality
> was one of his main emphasis and he has been credited with championing 16
> bits for the red book standard against Philips 14-bit proposal. A
> temperamental person who had many talents, Ohga-san was passionate about
> music. Ironically, he passed on just months before Steve Jobs in May last
> year.
>
> Bala
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>
>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:00 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
>
>  If I recall, the thing that stopped MD from really picking up in the
> mobile audio community at the time it was pushed in the early 90s, was both
> the serial copy protection deal, and more so, the compression it used that
> supposedly prevented it from having the frequency response of a CD.
> Oh yeah, and of course the cost.
>
>
> On 3/6/2012 4:40 PM, jesse ruff wrote:
>
>   minidisc worse?  I use the format pretty much daily, and I've never
> experienced any real issues with jamming or otherwise.  I keep thinking
> I'll get away from the format, but the editing is so sweet, I keep using
> it--helps to have the recording deck in the car that allows me to
> track-mark my discs in between destinations--and sometimes catch radio
> programs while I'm out and about.  Even if you're leaving the car, you can
> set it to finish the recording while the car's off!  Pretty sweet.  Get
> your MD tracked, and then you just burn to CD.  Upload to computer from
> there...sound may not be as good as dat, but as far as reliability?  MD
> hands down in my experiences.  And when you're recording off the radio or
> just taking some vinyl on the road, the sound's perfectly adaquate.
> Jesse
>
> p.s.  Sorry to get so off topic, but I couldn't resist.
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 3/5/12, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com><classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
> * wrote:
>
>
> From: Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com><classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak DAT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com><naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 3:41 AM
>
> Mike,
>
> Check the CD transport to see if it has a loading problem. A belt is
> commonly used to open the close the drawer, and when they sit around the
> belt often gets brittle and stretches out. Generally, a very simple fix.
>
> As for the DAT, they're basically miniature audio VHS transports.
> Unfortunately when they miniaturized them they correspondingly scaled down
> the mechanical strength of the "basket" that you insert the cassette into.
> The result? Over time, the basket often bends out of alignment. This
> results in problems loading and unloading the tape. So, test the DAT to see
> if it loads and unloads properly. Sadly, most DAT makers did not supply the
> basket as a single, integral unit. You had to buy individual parts, some of
> which were available, and some of which were not. In 2012, most are
> "unobtainium."
>
> If it's any consolation, the loading systems for mini-discs were even
> worse!
>
> Fred
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Michael Marshall <
> mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net<http://us.mc837.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
>
>  I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for several years
> and have a good customer who bought the digital stack including a DAT
> recorder and CD transport from me.  I have not seen them in some time and I
> don't know if they are in working condition.  I told him I would try to
> sell them for him and I just want see if anyone is interested in the DAT or
> both.  If so, I can get them out of storage and check them out.  They are
> stored in Conroe, TX, about an hour from Houston.  Let me know and I'll
> pursue it further.
> Mike Marshall
> Houston
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 12 10:16:46 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 02:16:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
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Hi Desmond, 

I use the 555ES myself and it is indeed a beautiful machine. The one problem is that the guide rails at the side of the transport can dry up after a while. But a very beautifully constructed and wonderful sounding machine. I also use it as a standalone ADC/DAC and simply enjoy the sound of the electronics!

Cheers
Bala 


________________________________
 From: Desmond Chan <desmond975d at yahoo.com.hk>
To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Cc: Rajiv Pandey <rajivdallas at gmail.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
 

I am a proud owner of a Sony JA 555 ES. It sounds awesome as it is but after  I had it modified it can rival my Sony SCD 1. A truly great machine. 

Not sure how the Denon s10 would compare to that though

Sent from my iPhone

On 12 Mar, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:


Hi Rajiv, 
>
>
>The E-10 was a broadcast/studio use unit. I couldn't have picked a better unit to archive the recordings as the E-10 was a rugged, solid performer. 
>
>
>Try some really good sources - live recordings, LPs and so on to get the full depth of what the Type R could do. Majority of digital sources are compressed and the resulting MD recording would be unimpressive. I made many discs from Revox reel to reel decks about 12 years ago on a Type R deck and the sound was just awesome. Some people think its a physical disc or similar factors that made MDs sound better. But ATRAC was one of the best things that ever happened to hifi. 
>
>
>ATRAC coding involves very extensive psycho-acoustic research by Sony - in the 1990s, they were far ahead of anything available at that time. Their processing algorithms were well advanced and pretty complex. Despite that, they were beautifully  executed with Sony's proprietary semiconductors. Because it was Sony who had that minimum standard, they had to come out with a medium that could beat Philips' DAT and be good enough to be thrown into the professional or broadcast industry.  While small file size was are requirement, sound quality and performance was their priority. What the ATRAC codec also did to digital files what a good reel to reel machine did to analogue signals. The actual ATRAC paper is pretty tough reading but gives a good insight on how deep the thought was on encoding audio signals. 
>
>
>Every codec available today has been designed with with an end goal - file size, bit-perfect (lossless?), streaming, DRM etc. ATRAC was for the most bit performance, but also with Sony's desire to control. They had a tough market to beat having to trounce DAT and better or equal the Red Book standard. 
>
>
>Today, the possibilities for digital media capture is amazing: 24/96 has become the starting gate and low latency USB and software is giving us tremendous performance with unprecedented flexibility. With bit perfect lossless codecs, we are assured of total accuracy in and out. But sonically, I don't feel as good as listening to a MD or cassette or LP. After listening to my favorite LPs through legitimate AAC  and FLAC versions, I still feel the performance through a Type R machine was better. Today's digital Studer broadcast stations still don't sound as good as listening to a Tascam MD machine. 
>
>
>Enjoy your E-10! 
>
>
>Cheers
>Bala 
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Rajiv Pandey <rajivdallas at gmail.com>
>To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Cc: "glasswolf at glasswolf.net" <glasswolf at glasswolf.net> 
>Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:10 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
> 
>
>Bala,
>
>
>Your note made me go dig up stuff on my MD deck...I used them extensively in the late 90's to the early 2000's to record live shows as they were much cheaper and portable than the DAT recorders...
>
>
>A few years back I had purchased a pro MD unit from Craigslist locally (MDS-E10) as i needed to transfer the shows digitally (rather than the analog out which was on the cheaper units)...your note made me check its specs and I was surprised to find it uses the ATRAC Type-R compression...and yes the specs do look jaw dropping - 5-20,000Hz and S/N ratio of 100db for digital and 98 for analog.
>
>
>I have never used MD for recording music from other sources (like CD or vinyl) but now your note has made me want to try it out...just for grins to see whether it does sound sweeter...
>
>
>That said, why do you think that Type-R sounded as close to reel as possible? Aren't the latest digital captures we do using USB capture like EMU 0404 at 24/96 or 24/192 a lot closer to the source sound? I wonder why you think the MD ATRAC surpassed the lossless mediums (and I assume you mean it sounded even better than DAT)...
>
>
>Rajiv
>
>
>On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>It was more of Sony's obsessive licensing practices that really killed the platform. What they had in the minidisc was really two technologies - the disc and the ATRAC compression system. IMHO, ATRAC is a very superior codec that is still better then some higher end codecs available today. A few years ago, Sony did queer things with ATRAC but never used it in a way Apple did with their own lossless codecs. 
>>
>>
>>
>>To get a real taste of what ATRAC can do, one should try the JA-555ES flagship minidisc deck from Sony. Asides from the usual endowments all the ES equipment get, this puppy also has the Type R ATRAC coding. Frequency response starts from 5Hz. My jaw dropped when I first heard them - they are the next best thing after reel to reel and seriously, leave CDs way behind. Another mid range deck from Sony also featured the Type R ATRAC although Sony was more quiet about this as they field tested the Type R in this model whose number I can't remember. Again, the Type R has to be heard to be believed. 
>>
>>
>>
>>I only wish that ATRAC was available more openly like FLAC and in more devices. It is my most favourite codec after FLAC and would have made digital music more listenable. 
>>
>>
>>
>>On a more poigant note, minidisc was also the last achievment for Norio Ohga. Ohga-san was the person behind many of Sony's engineering success and was the Steve Jobs in Sony. Handling everything from the look and feel of the products right down to the engineering, he personally had a hand in many of Sony's audio products and shortwave radios. He got his foot into the door by suggesting many engineering changes to one of Sony's first open reel decks, the Model G (for Government). A trained soprano, sound quality was one of his main emphasis and he has been credited with championing 16 bits for the red book standard against Philips 14-bit proposal. A temperamental person who had many talents, Ohga-san was passionate about music. Ironically, he passed on just months before Steve Jobs in May last year. 
>>
>>
>>Bala 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>
>>
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>>Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:00 AM
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
>> 
>>
>>
>>If I recall, the thing that stopped MD from really picking up in the mobile audio community at the time it was pushed in the early 90s, was both the serial copy protection deal, and more so, the compression it used that supposedly prevented it from having the frequency response of a CD.
>>Oh yeah, and of course the cost.
>>
>>
>>On 3/6/2012 4:40 PM, jesse ruff wrote: 
>>minidisc worse?  I use the format pretty much daily, and I've never experienced any real issues with jamming or otherwise.  I keep thinking I'll get away from the format, but the editing is so sweet, I keep using it--helps to have the recording deck in the car that allows me to track-mark my discs in between destinations--and sometimes catch radio programs while I'm out and about.  Even if you're leaving the car, you can set it to finish the recording while the car's off!  Pretty sweet.  Get your MD tracked, and then you just burn to CD.  Upload to computer from there...sound may not be as good as dat, but as far as reliability?  MD hands down in my experiences.  And when you're recording off the radio or just taking some vinyl on the road, the sound's perfectly adaquate.
>>>Jesse
>>> 
>>>p.s.  Sorry to get so off topic, but I couldn't resist.
>>>
>>>
>>>--- On Mon, 3/5/12, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak DAT
>>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>>Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 3:41 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mike,
>>>>
>>>>Check the CD transport to see if it has a loading
                  problem. A belt is commonly used to open the close the
                  drawer, and when they sit around the belt often gets
                  brittle and stretches out. Generally, a very simple
                  fix.
>>>>
>>>>As for the DAT, they're basically miniature audio VHS
                  transports. Unfortunately when they miniaturized them
                  they correspondingly scaled down the mechanical
                  strength of the "basket" that you insert the cassette
                  into. The result? Over time, the basket often bends
                  out of alignment. This results in problems loading and
                  unloading the tape. So, test the DAT to see if it
                  loads and unloads properly. Sadly, most DAT makers did
                  not supply the basket as a single, integral unit. You
                  had to buy individual parts, some of which were
                  available, and some of which were not. In 2012, most
                  are "unobtainium."
>>>>
>>>>If it's any consolation, the loading systems for
                  mini-discs were even worse!
>>>>
>>>>Fred
>>>>Classic Audio Repair
>>>>www.repairaudio.com 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Michael Marshall <mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for several years and have a good customer who bought the digital stack including a DAT recorder and CD transport from me.  I have not seen them in some time and I don't know if they are in working condition.  I told him I would try to sell them for him and I just want see if anyone is interested in the DAT or both.  If so, I can get them out of storage and check them out.  They are stored in Conroe, TX, about an hour from Houston.  Let me know and I'll pursue it further.
>>>>>Mike Marshall
>>>>>Houston
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From: desmond975d at yahoo.com.hk (Desmond Chan)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:54:23 +0800
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I am a proud owner of a Sony JA 555 ES. It sounds awesome as it is but after  I had it modified it can rival my Sony SCD 1. A truly great machine. 

Not sure how the Denon s10 would compare to that though

Sent from my iPhone

On 12 Mar, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Rajiv, 
> 
> The E-10 was a broadcast/studio use unit. I couldn't have picked a better unit to archive the recordings as the E-10 was a rugged, solid performer. 
> 
> Try some really good sources - live recordings, LPs and so on to get the full depth of what the Type R could do. Majority of digital sources are compressed and the resulting MD recording would be unimpressive. I made many discs from Revox reel to reel decks about 12 years ago on a Type R deck and the sound was just awesome. Some people think its a physical disc or similar factors that made MDs sound better. But ATRAC was one of the best things that ever happened to hifi. 
> 
> ATRAC coding involves very extensive psycho-acoustic research by Sony - in the 1990s, they were far ahead of anything available at that time. Their processing algorithms were well advanced and pretty complex. Despite that, they were beautifully  executed with Sony's proprietary semiconductors. Because it was Sony who had that minimum standard, they had to come out with a medium that could beat Philips' DAT and be good enough to be thrown into the professional or broadcast industry.  While small file size was are requirement, sound quality and performance was their priority. What the ATRAC codec also did to digital files what a good reel to reel machine did to analogue signals. The actual ATRAC paper is pretty tough reading but gives a good insight on how deep the thought was on encoding audio signals. 
> 
> Every codec available today has been designed with with an end goal - file size, bit-perfect (lossless?), streaming, DRM etc. ATRAC was for the most bit performance, but also with Sony's desire to control. They had a tough market to beat having to trounce DAT and better or equal the Red Book standard. 
> 
> Today, the possibilities for digital media capture is amazing: 24/96 has become the starting gate and low latency USB and software is giving us tremendous performance with unprecedented flexibility. With bit perfect lossless codecs, we are assured of total accuracy in and out. But sonically, I don't feel as good as listening to a MD or cassette or LP. After listening to my favorite LPs through legitimate AAC  and FLAC versions, I still feel the performance through a Type R machine was better. Today's digital Studer broadcast stations still don't sound as good as listening to a Tascam MD machine. 
> 
> Enjoy your E-10! 
> 
> Cheers
> Bala 
> 
> From: Rajiv Pandey <rajivdallas at gmail.com>
> To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Cc: "glasswolf at glasswolf.net" <glasswolf at glasswolf.net> 
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
> 
> Bala,
> 
> Your note made me go dig up stuff on my MD deck...I used them extensively in the late 90's to the early 2000's to record live shows as they were much cheaper and portable than the DAT recorders...
> 
> A few years back I had purchased a pro MD unit from Craigslist locally (MDS-E10) as i needed to transfer the shows digitally (rather than the analog out which was on the cheaper units)...your note made me check its specs and I was surprised to find it uses the ATRAC Type-R compression...and yes the specs do look jaw dropping - 5-20,000Hz and S/N ratio of 100db for digital and 98 for analog.
> 
> I have never used MD for recording music from other sources (like CD or vinyl) but now your note has made me want to try it out...just for grins to see whether it does sound sweeter...
> 
> That said, why do you think that Type-R sounded as close to reel as possible? Aren't the latest digital captures we do using USB capture like EMU 0404 at 24/96 or 24/192 a lot closer to the source sound? I wonder why you think the MD ATRAC surpassed the lossless mediums (and I assume you mean it sounded even better than DAT)...
> 
> Rajiv
> 
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> It was more of Sony's obsessive licensing practices that really killed the platform. What they had in the minidisc was really two technologies - the disc and the ATRAC compression system. IMHO, ATRAC is a very superior codec that is still better then some higher end codecs available today. A few years ago, Sony did queer things with ATRAC but never used it in a way Apple did with their own lossless codecs. 
> 
> To get a real taste of what ATRAC can do, one should try the JA-555ES flagship minidisc deck from Sony. Asides from the usual endowments all the ES equipment get, this puppy also has the Type R ATRAC coding. Frequency response starts from 5Hz. My jaw dropped when I first heard them - they are the next best thing after reel to reel and seriously, leave CDs way behind. Another mid range deck from Sony also featured the Type R ATRAC although Sony was more quiet about this as they field tested the Type R in this model whose number I can't remember. Again, the Type R has to be heard to be believed. 
> 
> I only wish that ATRAC was available more openly like FLAC and in more devices. It is my most favourite codec after FLAC and would have made digital music more listenable. 
> 
> On a more poigant note, minidisc was also the last achievment for Norio Ohga. Ohga-san was the person behind many of Sony's engineering success and was the Steve Jobs in Sony. Handling everything from the look and feel of the products right down to the engineering, he personally had a hand in many of Sony's audio products and shortwave radios. He got his foot into the door by suggesting many engineering changes to one of Sony's first open reel decks, the Model G (for Government). A trained soprano, sound quality was one of his main emphasis and he has been credited with championing 16 bits for the red book standard against Philips 14-bit proposal. A temperamental person who had many talents, Ohga-san was passionate about music. Ironically, he passed on just months before Steve Jobs in May last year. 
> 
> Bala 
> 
> 
> From: GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>
> 
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
> 
> If I recall, the thing that stopped MD from really picking up in the mobile audio community at the time it was pushed in the early 90s, was both the serial copy protection deal, and more so, the compression it used that supposedly prevented it from having the frequency response of a CD.
> Oh yeah, and of course the cost.
> 
> 
> On 3/6/2012 4:40 PM, jesse ruff wrote:
>> 
>> minidisc worse?  I use the format pretty much daily, and I've never experienced any real issues with jamming or otherwise.  I keep thinking I'll get away from the format, but the editing is so sweet, I keep using it--helps to have the recording deck in the car that allows me to track-mark my discs in between destinations--and sometimes catch radio programs while I'm out and about.  Even if you're leaving the car, you can set it to finish the recording while the car's off!  Pretty sweet.  Get your MD tracked, and then you just burn to CD.  Upload to computer from there...sound may not be as good as dat, but as far as reliability?  MD hands down in my experiences.  And when you're recording off the radio or just taking some vinyl on the road, the sound's perfectly adaquate.
>> Jesse
>>  
>> p.s.  Sorry to get so off topic, but I couldn't resist.
>> 
>> 
>> --- On Mon, 3/5/12, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> From: Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak DAT
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 3:41 AM
>> 
>> Mike,
>> 
>> Check the CD transport to see if it has a loading problem. A belt is commonly used to open the close the drawer, and when they sit around the belt often gets                   brittle and stretches out. Generally, a very simple fix.
>> 
>> As for the DAT, they're basically miniature audio VHS transports. Unfortunately when they miniaturized them they correspondingly scaled down the mechanical strength of the "basket" that you insert the cassette into. The result? Over time, the basket often bends out of alignment. This results in problems loading and unloading the tape. So, test the DAT to see if it loads and unloads properly. Sadly, most DAT makers did not supply the basket as a single, integral unit. You had to buy individual parts, some of which were available, and some of which were not. In 2012, most                   are "unobtainium."
>> 
>> If it's any consolation, the loading systems for mini-discs were even worse!
>> 
>> Fred
>> Classic Audio Repair
>> www.repairaudio.com 
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Michael Marshall <mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for several years and have a good customer who bought the digital stack including a DAT recorder and CD transport from me.  I have not seen them in some time and I don't know if they are in working condition.  I told him I would try to sell them for him and I just want see if anyone is interested in the DAT or both.  If so, I can get them out of storage and check them out.  They are stored in Conroe, TX, about an hour from Houston.  Let me know and I'll pursue it further.
>> Mike Marshall
>> Houston
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 12 14:19:56 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 06:19:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade
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If the problem persists please change your capstan and cam mode belts. The issue should end....at least that was my experience with a similar fade in sound on my ZX9.
Ram.


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To: Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:04 AM
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 fade
 

Ah, this seems to have been a cleaning issue. I dug out the original Nak cleaning stick and pad and it did a better job than a cotton bud.
David 


>My ZX-9 is showing playback problems. The sound from a tape playing fades after a few seconds and is distorted. Stopping the tape and starting again lifts the volume but the problem repeats. I have tried different tape types and they all play normally on another deck. I have tired repeat cleans of the heads and tape path but with no effect. Any suggestions please?

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From rajivdallas at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 01:52:55 2012
From: rajivdallas at gmail.com (Rajiv Pandey)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:52:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
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Wow Bala! You put a smile to my face...I never knew I had this hidden jewel
in my stable all this time and I cannot wait to dust it off and give it a
whirl...My plan is to try and transfer some of my new MFSL vinyl LP's of
the Grateful Dead that have been mastered from the original master
tapes...that is as close to pristine analog as one can get and try and see
how startling the results sound.

Do indulge me a bit more offline (if you wish) on what you mean by the
statement " What the ATRAC codec also did to digital files what a good reel
to reel machine did to analogue signals"...I doubt I have the inclination
or intellect to grasp the white paper on ATRAC (my degrees are in Computer
Science :-)) but I am sure you can enlighten me enough.

Now let me ask you a philosophical question - When you say something sounds
better on Type-R than even some of the FLAC compressed audio, isn't that in
a way saying that it is "coloring" the sound (in ATRAC) somewhat? Or else
how can they sound different...afterall, FLAC will be bitperfect so
whatever you gave "in" is what will come "out" but ATRAC does lose
something and compensates it by coloring it to make up for the defecit,
right? Hope you get what I am saying...Isn't that equivalent to me hooking
up an equalizer to my rig to color things up a bit? If not, then where does
that difference lie between coloring the sound to "sound" better and where
it enriches it to another level without altering the sound...

Regards
Rajiv

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Hi Rajiv,
>
> The E-10 was a broadcast/studio use unit. I couldn't have picked a better
> unit to archive the recordings as the E-10 was a rugged, solid performer.
>
> Try some really good sources - live recordings, LPs and so on to get the
> full depth of what the Type R could do. Majority of digital sources are
> compressed and the resulting MD recording would be unimpressive. I made
> many discs from Revox reel to reel decks about 12 years ago on a Type R
> deck and the sound was just awesome. Some people think its a physical disc
> or similar factors that made MDs sound better. But ATRAC was one of the
> best things that ever happened to hifi.
>
> ATRAC coding involves very extensive psycho-acoustic research by Sony - in
> the 1990s, they were far ahead of anything available at that time. Their
> processing algorithms were well advanced and pretty complex. Despite that,
> they were beautifully  executed with Sony's proprietary semiconductors.
> Because it was Sony who had that minimum standard, they had to come out
> with a medium that could beat Philips' DAT and be good enough to be thrown
> into the professional or broadcast industry.  While small file size was are
> requirement, sound quality and performance was their priority. What the
> ATRAC codec also did to digital files what a good reel to reel machine did
> to analogue signals. The actual ATRAC paper is pretty tough reading but
> gives a good insight on how deep the thought was on encoding audio signals.
>
> Every codec available today has been designed with with an end goal - file
> size, bit-perfect (lossless?), streaming, DRM etc. ATRAC was for the most
> bit performance, but also with Sony's desire to control. They had a tough
> market to beat having to trounce DAT and better or equal the Red Book
> standard.
>
> Today, the possibilities for digital media capture is amazing: 24/96 has
> become the starting gate and low latency USB and software is giving us
> tremendous performance with unprecedented flexibility. With bit perfect
> lossless codecs, we are assured of total accuracy in and out. But
> sonically, I don't feel as good as listening to a MD or cassette or LP.
> After listening to my favorite LPs through legitimate AAC  and FLAC
> versions, I still feel the performance through a Type R machine was better.
> Today's digital Studer broadcast stations still don't sound as good as
> listening to a Tascam MD machine.
>
> Enjoy your E-10!
>
> Cheers
> Bala
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Rajiv Pandey <rajivdallas at gmail.com>
> *To:* Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi
> Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Cc:* "glasswolf at glasswolf.net" <glasswolf at glasswolf.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 12, 2012 10:10 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
>
> Bala,
>
> Your note made me go dig up stuff on my MD deck...I used them extensively
> in the late 90's to the early 2000's to record live shows as they were much
> cheaper and portable than the DAT recorders...
>
> A few years back I had purchased a pro MD unit from Craigslist locally
> (MDS-E10) as i needed to transfer the shows digitally (rather than the
> analog out which was on the cheaper units)...your note made me check its
> specs and I was surprised to find it uses the ATRAC Type-R
> compression...and yes the specs do look jaw dropping - 5-20,000Hz and S/N
> ratio of 100db for digital and 98 for analog.
>
> I have never used MD for recording music from other sources (like CD or
> vinyl) but now your note has made me want to try it out...just for grins to
> see whether it does sound sweeter...
>
> That said, why do you think that Type-R sounded as close to reel as
> possible? Aren't the latest digital captures we do using USB capture like
> EMU 0404 at 24/96 or 24/192 a lot closer to the source sound? I wonder why
> you think the MD ATRAC surpassed the lossless mediums (and I assume you
> mean it sounded even better than DAT)...
>
> Rajiv
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> It was more of Sony's obsessive licensing practices that really killed the
> platform. What they had in the minidisc was really two technologies - the
> disc and the ATRAC compression system. IMHO, ATRAC is a very superior codec
> that is still better then some higher end codecs available today. A few
> years ago, Sony did queer things with ATRAC but never used it in a way
> Apple did with their own lossless codecs.
>
> To get a real taste of what ATRAC can do, one should try the JA-555ES
> flagship minidisc deck from Sony. Asides from the usual endowments all the
> ES equipment get, this puppy also has the Type R ATRAC coding. Frequency
> response starts from 5Hz. My jaw dropped when I first heard them - they are
> the next best thing after reel to reel and seriously, leave CDs way behind.
> Another mid range deck from Sony also featured the Type R ATRAC although
> Sony was more quiet about this as they field tested the Type R in this
> model whose number I can't remember. Again, the Type R has to be heard to
> be believed.
>
> I only wish that ATRAC was available more openly like FLAC and in more
> devices. It is my most favourite codec after FLAC and would have made
> digital music more listenable.
>
> On a more poigant note, minidisc was also the last achievment for Norio
> Ohga. Ohga-san was the person behind many of Sony's engineering success and
> was the Steve Jobs in Sony. Handling everything from the look and feel of
> the products right down to the engineering, he personally had a hand in
> many of Sony's audio products and shortwave radios. He got his foot into
> the door by suggesting many engineering changes to one of Sony's first open
> reel decks, the Model G (for Government). A trained soprano, sound quality
> was one of his main emphasis and he has been credited with championing 16
> bits for the red book standard against Philips 14-bit proposal. A
> temperamental person who had many talents, Ohga-san was passionate about
> music. Ironically, he passed on just months before Steve Jobs in May last
> year.
>
> Bala
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>
>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:00 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
>
>  If I recall, the thing that stopped MD from really picking up in the
> mobile audio community at the time it was pushed in the early 90s, was both
> the serial copy protection deal, and more so, the compression it used that
> supposedly prevented it from having the frequency response of a CD.
> Oh yeah, and of course the cost.
>
>
> On 3/6/2012 4:40 PM, jesse ruff wrote:
>
>   minidisc worse?  I use the format pretty much daily, and I've never
> experienced any real issues with jamming or otherwise.  I keep thinking
> I'll get away from the format, but the editing is so sweet, I keep using
> it--helps to have the recording deck in the car that allows me to
> track-mark my discs in between destinations--and sometimes catch radio
> programs while I'm out and about.  Even if you're leaving the car, you can
> set it to finish the recording while the car's off!  Pretty sweet.  Get
> your MD tracked, and then you just burn to CD.  Upload to computer from
> there...sound may not be as good as dat, but as far as reliability?  MD
> hands down in my experiences.  And when you're recording off the radio or
> just taking some vinyl on the road, the sound's perfectly adaquate.
> Jesse
>
> p.s.  Sorry to get so off topic, but I couldn't resist.
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 3/5/12, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com><classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
> * wrote:
>
>
> From: Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com><classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak DAT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com><naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 3:41 AM
>
> Mike,
>
> Check the CD transport to see if it has a loading problem. A belt is
> commonly used to open the close the drawer, and when they sit around the
> belt often gets brittle and stretches out. Generally, a very simple fix.
>
> As for the DAT, they're basically miniature audio VHS transports.
> Unfortunately when they miniaturized them they correspondingly scaled down
> the mechanical strength of the "basket" that you insert the cassette into.
> The result? Over time, the basket often bends out of alignment. This
> results in problems loading and unloading the tape. So, test the DAT to see
> if it loads and unloads properly. Sadly, most DAT makers did not supply the
> basket as a single, integral unit. You had to buy individual parts, some of
> which were available, and some of which were not. In 2012, most are
> "unobtainium."
>
> If it's any consolation, the loading systems for mini-discs were even
> worse!
>
> Fred
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Michael Marshall <
> mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net<http://us.mc837.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
>
>  I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for several years
> and have a good customer who bought the digital stack including a DAT
> recorder and CD transport from me.  I have not seen them in some time and I
> don't know if they are in working condition.  I told him I would try to
> sell them for him and I just want see if anyone is interested in the DAT or
> both.  If so, I can get them out of storage and check them out.  They are
> stored in Conroe, TX, about an hour from Houston.  Let me know and I'll
> pursue it further.
> Mike Marshall
> Houston
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From fripp_em at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 15 08:29:57 2012
From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 00:29:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 682zx
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We don't hear much about the 682zx lately.  I have one in my collection and I think I put it up there with the best.
My favorites are the 680zx, ZX-9, 700ZXL and 550 (okay the 550 is just too retro cool and old 70s prerecorded tapes actually sound good on it)  though I also really like the BX-300,  ZX-7 and  CR-4  (bargain top of the line decks due to the fact that they are underrated in my opinion - I'll take a CR-4 before a CR-5 unless I can get the CR-5 cheap and resell it) and any of the 600 zx series are just cool.  I used 670/680/682zx and the 1000II/zxl in college recording studios back in the day.

I was thinking about the 682zx because there is one on ebay that Willy serviced.  The reserve  price is probably high but when I consider what I payed for my better condition decks and then having Willy service them, I was just wondering because there are no bids on it.  Has the 682zx fallen out of favor? 


fripp_em

p.s. I have no financial interest in the deck on ebay mentioned above in case anyone is wondering:-)
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From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz  Thu Mar 15 12:33:26 2012
From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 00:33:26 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] Test cassettes update
Message-ID: <9FAFD15CD8B34DABB6ADC6D8176C05D3@emachinef0bb72>

Hello everyone,

Standard Alignment Cassettes can be ordered from http://www.gennlab.com

This is my first try to develop a website. Please don 't be a strict judge 
:)

Some pages may not work, still under development.

No nice pictures, just information.

5 Hz RAMM Cassette is ready to go. Still waiting for validation results.

Cheers,

Gennady

www.gennlab.com

+64 21 238 3056



From naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com  Fri Mar 16 09:08:54 2012
From: naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com (naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 01:08:54 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Bias and record level calibration
Message-ID: <CA+LXehfD6C6uo+Cz2mqMNj2ie2hNLhk1b5qaS0D5bS-WdRQwrA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all:

Deck: BX-300. Replaced the bias fine tune pot with 100K log one
(should be identical of the original except has not center detent).
Need to recalibrate rough bias to specs.

Did not have a metal tape handy, so started from Cr (maxell) tape.

- fine bias - center;
- inside record level - center
- 400 Hz to input (0 dB = 1 V true RMS on the output) adjusted by
outside record level sliders (source position)
- bias pot - tried to find max, maxed out the bias pot CCW, but still
did not see the the peak ( got about 1.4V on the out) )tape position)
- 400 Hz in ( -20 dB, about 100 mV)
- 15 kHz in, (-20dB), bias pot CW until output at 15 kHz equal output
at 400 Hz
- record level now drops, adjusting by the record level pot to get 1V at 400 Hz
- repeat ... oops, out of range on the record level now. pot is all
way CW, recorded signal is still   -2 dB (at 400 Hz)

What's wrong?

Thanks



From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se  Fri Mar 16 11:10:21 2012
From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:10:21 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Bias and record level calibration
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Message-ID: <4F63118D.5040302@blixtmail.se>

Hi!

First of all you need to do mechanical adjustments to the record and 
playback heads. Second I believe that the pot VR750 should be linear. 
The parts list don't mention anything about it,  just Semi Fixed VR 100k 
x 2.

Good luck/Pelle



naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com skrev 2012-03-16 09:08:
> Hi all:
>
> Deck: BX-300. Replaced the bias fine tune pot with 100K log one
> (should be identical of the original except has not center detent).
> Need to recalibrate rough bias to specs.
>
> Did not have a metal tape handy, so started from Cr (maxell) tape.
>
> - fine bias - center;
> - inside record level - center
> - 400 Hz to input (0 dB = 1 V true RMS on the output) adjusted by
> outside record level sliders (source position)
> - bias pot - tried to find max, maxed out the bias pot CCW, but still
> did not see the the peak ( got about 1.4V on the out) )tape position)
> - 400 Hz in ( -20 dB, about 100 mV)
> - 15 kHz in, (-20dB), bias pot CW until output at 15 kHz equal output
> at 400 Hz
> - record level now drops, adjusting by the record level pot to get 1V at 400 Hz
> - repeat ... oops, out of range on the record level now. pot is all
> way CW, recorded signal is still   -2 dB (at 400 Hz)
>
> What's wrong?
>
> Thanks
>
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Fri Mar 16 13:54:19 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 06:54:19 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Bias and record level calibration
References: <CA+LXehfD6C6uo+Cz2mqMNj2ie2hNLhk1b5qaS0D5bS-WdRQwrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000a01cd0373$e7f88a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

Are you saying that everything worked fine until you replaced the pot?  I 
think Pelle is right and the pot should probably be linear (but I don't know 
if that alone would cause a problem) and also agree that problem is likely 
with alignment unless it wasn't there before pot was changed.

Cheers,
Rainer

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> Hi all:
>
> Deck: BX-300. Replaced the bias fine tune pot with 100K log one
> (should be identical of the original except has not center detent).
> Need to recalibrate rough bias to specs.
>
> Did not have a metal tape handy, so started from Cr (maxell) tape.
>
> - fine bias - center;
> - inside record level - center
> - 400 Hz to input (0 dB = 1 V true RMS on the output) adjusted by
> outside record level sliders (source position)
> - bias pot - tried to find max, maxed out the bias pot CCW, but still
> did not see the the peak ( got about 1.4V on the out) )tape position)
> - 400 Hz in ( -20 dB, about 100 mV)
> - 15 kHz in, (-20dB), bias pot CW until output at 15 kHz equal output
> at 400 Hz
> - record level now drops, adjusting by the record level pot to get 1V at 
> 400 Hz
> - repeat ... oops, out of range on the record level now. pot is all
> way CW, recorded signal is still   -2 dB (at 400 Hz)
>
> What's wrong?
>
> Thanks
>
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Fri Mar 16 14:27:14 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 07:27:14 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Bias and record level calibration
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I might be wrong but log pot would not be 50k at center like a linear would 
be.

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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bias and record level calibration


> Are you saying that everything worked fine until you replaced the pot?  I 
> think Pelle is right and the pot should probably be linear (but I don't 
> know if that alone would cause a problem) and also agree that problem is 
> likely with alignment unless it wasn't there before pot was changed.
>
> Cheers,
> Rainer
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 2:08 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Bias and record level calibration
>
>
>> Hi all:
>>
>> Deck: BX-300. Replaced the bias fine tune pot with 100K log one
>> (should be identical of the original except has not center detent).
>> Need to recalibrate rough bias to specs.
>>
>> Did not have a metal tape handy, so started from Cr (maxell) tape.
>>
>> - fine bias - center;
>> - inside record level - center
>> - 400 Hz to input (0 dB = 1 V true RMS on the output) adjusted by
>> outside record level sliders (source position)
>> - bias pot - tried to find max, maxed out the bias pot CCW, but still
>> did not see the the peak ( got about 1.4V on the out) )tape position)
>> - 400 Hz in ( -20 dB, about 100 mV)
>> - 15 kHz in, (-20dB), bias pot CW until output at 15 kHz equal output
>> at 400 Hz
>> - record level now drops, adjusting by the record level pot to get 1V at 
>> 400 Hz
>> - repeat ... oops, out of range on the record level now. pot is all
>> way CW, recorded signal is still   -2 dB (at 400 Hz)
>>
>> What's wrong?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Fri Mar 16 17:37:24 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 09:37:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Bias and record level calibration
In-Reply-To: <CA+LXehfD6C6uo+Cz2mqMNj2ie2hNLhk1b5qaS0D5bS-WdRQwrA@mail.gmail.com>
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Sounds like a screwy way to adjust bias and record level.  Try this:

Center fine bias pot and leave it there.
Insert 400 Hz to the input at 0dB and adjust record levels to read 0 on the
decks meters.
While monitoring tape during recording adjust internal record level pots
for 0dB.
Insert 15kHz at -20dB.
While monitoring tape during recording adjust the internal bias controls
for -20dB.
Go back and forth between 400Hz and 15kHz until both are at unity gain
source to tape.
Sweep the frequency range at -20dB to assure that you are on the right side
of the bias curve.  You should have unity gain source to tape across 20Hz
to 20kHz +/- 2 or 3 dB.  Here's the frequency response from a BX-300 I
recently did:

[image: Inline image 1]
You can see that it's within 1dB all the way out to 22kHz.  (Double lines
are 100Hz, 1kHz, 10kHz)
The front panel bias adjust should then give you a small change in the high
frequency curve for recording.  It was intended to give enough range to
adjust between TDK SA and TDK SA X and the like.

Best of luck.
Willy


On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 1:08 AM, <naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com> wrote:

> Hi all:
>
> Deck: BX-300. Replaced the bias fine tune pot with 100K log one
> (should be identical of the original except has not center detent).
> Need to recalibrate rough bias to specs.
>
> Did not have a metal tape handy, so started from Cr (maxell) tape.
>
> - fine bias - center;
> - inside record level - center
> - 400 Hz to input (0 dB = 1 V true RMS on the output) adjusted by
> outside record level sliders (source position)
> - bias pot - tried to find max, maxed out the bias pot CCW, but still
> did not see the the peak ( got about 1.4V on the out) )tape position)
> - 400 Hz in ( -20 dB, about 100 mV)
> - 15 kHz in, (-20dB), bias pot CW until output at 15 kHz equal output
> at 400 Hz
> - record level now drops, adjusting by the record level pot to get 1V at
> 400 Hz
> - repeat ... oops, out of range on the record level now. pot is all
> way CW, recorded signal is still   -2 dB (at 400 Hz)
>
> What's wrong?
>
> Thanks
>
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From naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com  Fri Mar 16 17:54:51 2012
From: naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com (naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 09:54:51 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Bias and record level calibration
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Thanks guys for your reply.

Mechanically the deck is aligned. Everything worked like a dream.
Except one channel bias fine tune that could not be adjusted. I traced
the problem to the fine tune pot.

I also thought the pot should be linear, but reading the markings from
the old one and measuring the one section that still worked I came to
conclusion that it is log. I expected that bias fine tune pot
replacement should barely touch the calibration. It is indeed FINE
tune and 10% difference in resistance should not make a dent. After
replacement however I noticed that the record level dropped. I did not
measure by how much, but a lot. Not less that 10 dB for sure.

Something is not right.

Konstantin


2012/3/16 Pär Ericsson - paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se
<+naktalk+bkv+03a58a51db.paer.ericsson#blixtmail.se at spamgourmet.com>:
> Hi!
>
> First of all you need to do mechanical adjustments to the record and
> playback heads. Second I believe that the pot VR750 should be linear. The
> parts list don't mention anything about it,  just Semi Fixed VR 100k x 2.
>
> Good luck/Pelle
>
>
>
> naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com skrev 2012-03-16 09:08:
>>
>> Hi all:
>>
>> Deck: BX-300. Replaced the bias fine tune pot with 100K log one
>> (should be identical of the original except has not center detent).
>> Need to recalibrate rough bias to specs.
>>
>> Did not have a metal tape handy, so started from Cr (maxell) tape.
>>
>> - fine bias - center;
>> - inside record level - center
>> - 400 Hz to input (0 dB = 1 V true RMS on the output) adjusted by
>> outside record level sliders (source position)
>> - bias pot - tried to find max, maxed out the bias pot CCW, but still
>> did not see the the peak ( got about 1.4V on the out) )tape position)
>> - 400 Hz in ( -20 dB, about 100 mV)
>> - 15 kHz in, (-20dB), bias pot CW until output at 15 kHz equal output
>> at 400 Hz
>> - record level now drops, adjusting by the record level pot to get 1V at
>> 400 Hz
>> - repeat ... oops, out of range on the record level now. pot is all
>> way CW, recorded signal is still   -2 dB (at 400 Hz)
>>
>> What's wrong?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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From naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com  Fri Mar 16 19:30:51 2012
From: naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com (naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:30:51 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Bias and record level calibration
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Thanks Willy. That is essentially what I am doing. It should be simply as a
pie :) at -20dB get a flat frequency response than adjust the overall
record level (which is nothing more than the gain of record amp). I do have
a very good spectrum analyzer (goes to 1 GHz if you care, cost about $50K).
This deck had +/- 0.5 dB all way to 21.5 kHz before. The problem seems to
be very simple in nature. I am running out of the record amp gain. Lets
assume that I shorted out or removed the fine bias pot all together. Should
it prevent me from calibrating the bias/rec level ? No way. So, one limit
of the fine bias pot is the short, another is 100K, that is much more than
the pots+resistors of the main bias adjustment.

It is funny in its simplicity. The whole damn thing is simple as pie
inside. My nostalgic feelings about the simply circuits when you do not
care about the connector performance at 15 GHz :) Such a pleasure to work
with sound frequencies!

I am sure you have a lot of experience with these babies. You probably can
replace those fine bias pots with closed eyes as I guess they fail very
often. It is ALPS .. you know it. Working with $M dollar equipment, I
measured the pot before soldering in the replacement (old habit, you do not
want a single mishap on a balloon mission). It is bad, 80K one section, 90
something another one. But should be fine as I said.  Well, I guess I will
have to look at it again. At the end, it took me only about 20 min to
replace the damn thing.

I did not look at the schematics closely, but I would guess the fine bias
is simply shorting to the ground thru another resistor, something like 10k.
Am I right?

Konstantin

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Willy Hermann -
willy at willyhermannservices.com <+naktalk+bkv+584bf518e3.willy#
willyhermannservices.com at spamgourmet.com> wrote:

> Sounds like a screwy way to adjust bias and record level.  Try this:
>
> Center fine bias pot and leave it there.
> Insert 400 Hz to the input at 0dB and adjust record levels to read 0 on
> the decks meters.
> While monitoring tape during recording adjust internal record level pots
> for 0dB.
> Insert 15kHz at -20dB.
> While monitoring tape during recording adjust the internal bias controls
> for -20dB.
> Go back and forth between 400Hz and 15kHz until both are at unity gain
> source to tape.
> Sweep the frequency range at -20dB to assure that you are on the right
> side of the bias curve.  You should have unity gain source to tape across
> 20Hz to 20kHz +/- 2 or 3 dB.  Here's the frequency response from a BX-300 I
> recently did:
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
> You can see that it's within 1dB all the way out to 22kHz.  (Double lines
> are 100Hz, 1kHz, 10kHz)
> The front panel bias adjust should then give you a small change in the
> high frequency curve for recording.  It was intended to give enough range
> to adjust between TDK SA and TDK SA X and the like.
>
> Best of luck.
> Willy
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 1:08 AM, <naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all:
>>
>> Deck: BX-300. Replaced the bias fine tune pot with 100K log one
>> (should be identical of the original except has not center detent).
>> Need to recalibrate rough bias to specs.
>>
>> Did not have a metal tape handy, so started from Cr (maxell) tape.
>>
>> - fine bias - center;
>> - inside record level - center
>> - 400 Hz to input (0 dB = 1 V true RMS on the output) adjusted by
>> outside record level sliders (source position)
>> - bias pot - tried to find max, maxed out the bias pot CCW, but still
>> did not see the the peak ( got about 1.4V on the out) )tape position)
>> - 400 Hz in ( -20 dB, about 100 mV)
>> - 15 kHz in, (-20dB), bias pot CW until output at 15 kHz equal output
>> at 400 Hz
>> - record level now drops, adjusting by the record level pot to get 1V at
>> 400 Hz
>> - repeat ... oops, out of range on the record level now. pot is all
>> way CW, recorded signal is still   -2 dB (at 400 Hz)
>>
>> What's wrong?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl  Sat Mar 17 11:23:55 2012
From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (N. Wijnen)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:23:55 +0100
Subject: Antw:[naktalk] Test cassettes update
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From: naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com (naktalk.20.bkv at spamgourmet.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:00:09 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Bias and record level calibration
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Hi all:

OK. Here is the "final" list of problems with the bias / level calibration
of my BX-300.

On the right channel, both level pots are maxed out for Cr and Mx tapes and
I still have few dB lower record level than ideal. The same channel but Fe
tape sees the bias pot maxed out, but still 15 kHz is about 1.5 dB higher
than 400 Hz. Level is fine.  Forgot to tell that I adjusted the bias trap
before replacing the fine bias tune pot. To my shame, I did not look how
the deck was doing in calibration department before I opened it. I could
hear that bias fine tune does nothing in one channel. I only recorded Cr
tapes with it, and probably simply compensated few dB drop in one channel
with record level on the front panel. And the record level pot for Cr
inside the deck was maxed out already. Do not remember the position of
other pots inside.

I can live with it, but a perfectionist inside me demands to find a cause.
Any thoughts? Record amp gain is out of specs? Caused by what? A tragic
death of an orange cap?

Konstantin
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From nakfanatic at gmail.com  Sun Mar 18 19:37:50 2012
From: nakfanatic at gmail.com (Paul Dingle)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:37:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Info on MB10 laser pickup/service manual
Message-ID: <CABnsaJOSt4PtY+c9Jjhvt4e-6kH-imnQH0pq9_JsYw4Ag1OL_g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, all--been a while since I posted.

I realise a little off cassette decks (but my Cr7, LX3, 500 and 600 are all
running well ;-)

I'm looking for a service manual for a friend's MB10 CD changer.  I've had
it apart, and it seems the laser pickup has died--all other functions
except play work perfectly.  It has run 24/7 for the last decade, a real
testament to its build quality.  Does any one know of a way to get a
service manual (looked everywhere....) OR tell me what pickup I need to buy?

As usual, thanks for your collective wisdom,

Fugue
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From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Mon Mar 19 11:02:27 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:02:27 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NOS spare parts
Message-ID: <4F670433.8020002@univ-rennes1.fr>

Hi all

I got the opportunity to get some spare parts (reference cassettes, 
gauges, PB head,...) and now ready to sell some of them.

These items are NEW and have never been used (yes, it does still exist 
!) and most are still packed as they were some twenty five years ago, I 
guess.

Here is a list :

E.H. Stroke Check Gauge (DA0 9051)
Stroke Check Gauge S (DA0 9090)
Tension Arm Adjust. cassette (DA0 9056A)
Reference ZX cassette (DA0 9109A)
Azimuth wire (0C0 8237)
CAT window for RX-505/303 (0H0 4345 A)
ZX-9 PB  Head P-8LH (GA0 2034 A)
ZX-9 original pressure rollers (x2) (0C0 8164 G)

Switch PCB assembly for RX-505 (BA0 5166 A)


For pictures, see:

http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251011395511&hc=1&hm=uk%601d72f%2Biuq%7Fcbc7%3Fb 
<http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251011395511&hc=1&hm=uk%601d72f%2Biuq%7Fcbc7%3Fb>

http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251011395523&hc=1&hm=uk%601d72f%2Bi%3Ako%3F3r6%602 
<http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251011395523&hc=1&hm=uk%601d72f%2Bi%3Ako%3F3r6%602>

If someone has any interest in one of them, contact me off list.

Best Regards

bernard

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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 19 13:12:35 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 05:12:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
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Hi Rajiv, 



Remastered LPs would be a great starting place because much of it was made prior the Loudness Wars that saw music being compressed and volumes soaring. While some LPs and notoriously EPs saw heavy compression, it is much better then what comes out of CDs these days. Its a pity because CDs (and digital) have much higher dynamics that go largely unexploited.  Either LPs or live recordings are perfect candidates to see just how much awesomeness is there in these formats. I wait with real hope that the newer hi-res music coming out actually take advantage of the medium to bring good music. Standard music practices though generalize the mix to make it sound as uniform as possible. Santana sounds the same in both my cars as it does on the computer and my hi-fi. How frustrating! It is good that more artists are taking note of the abysmal quality of sound and getting around to do something about it. The Greatful Dead were amazing because they were one of the
 most prolific users of McIntosh gear in their gigs. The famous Wall of Sound was powered by a couple of generations of McIntosh power amps. 

The way ATRAC works in manipulating the PCM signal to achieve data compression, in inevitably does manipulate the sound. ATRAC is not lossless and the codec decides what stays and what goes. This is done through  some amazing algorithm and data manipulation. During playback, when it all comes together, even minute details such as decay of cymbals and piano ambience is reproduced with great detail. However, rather then trying to accentuate the sound, it actually works to preserve micro and macro dynamics. In this regards, its very much like reel to reel (and many Naks) which picks up everything that's fed into it. During playback, details which we though were not there show up and the tape shocks us with its capture. 

Ultimately, even bit perfect systems such as FLAC will have coloration because of so many things that the codec is dependent on - the processor, board design, DAC(s), filter(s) design, output stage etc. FLAC is good because during encoding, it continually compares the input and output, halting if it spots a deviation. But sound quality is still at the mercy of the playback device. You have highlighted a difference and this separates the best from the rest. Many equipment color the sound to make it sounder different - perhaps cleaner treble, punchier bass and louder in a bid to try to win more customers at a Best Buy or Harvey Norman. Then there are the equipment, in which class Naks are, that enriches the sound without altering it. I guess that during this period, Nakamichi must have been looking at dismal sales figures because a Nakamichi MD deck along the lines of the DAT 1000 would have been an absolute killer. 



Cheers!
Bala 

________________________________
 From: Rajiv Pandey <rajivdallas at gmail.com>
To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>; "glasswolf at glasswolf.net" <glasswolf at glasswolf.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
 

Wow Bala! You put a smile to my face...I never knew I had this hidden jewel in my stable all this time and I cannot wait to dust it off and give it a whirl...My plan is to try and transfer some of my new MFSL vinyl LP's of the Grateful Dead that have been mastered from the original master tapes...that is as close to pristine analog as one can get and try and see how startling the results sound.

Do indulge me a bit more offline (if you wish) on what you mean by the statement " What the ATRAC codec also did to digital files what a good reel to reel machine did to analogue signals"...I doubt I have the inclination or intellect to grasp the white paper on ATRAC (my degrees are in Computer Science :-)) but I am sure you can enlighten me enough.

Now let me ask you a philosophical question - When you say something sounds better on Type-R than even some of the FLAC compressed audio, isn't that in a way saying that it is "coloring" the sound (in ATRAC) somewhat? Or else how can they sound different...afterall, FLAC will be bitperfect so whatever you gave "in" is what will come "out" but ATRAC does lose something and compensates it by coloring it to make up for the defecit, right? Hope you get what I am saying...Isn't that equivalent to me hooking up an equalizer to my rig to color things up a bit? If not, then where does that difference lie between coloring the sound to "sound" better and where it enriches it to another level without altering the sound...

Regards
Rajiv


On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Rajiv, 
>
>
>The E-10 was a broadcast/studio use unit. I couldn't have picked a better unit to archive the recordings as the E-10 was a rugged, solid performer. 
>
>
>Try some really good sources - live recordings, LPs and so on to get the full depth of what the Type R could do. Majority of digital sources are compressed and the resulting MD recording would be unimpressive. I made many discs from Revox reel to reel decks about 12 years ago on a Type R deck and the sound was just awesome. Some people think its a physical disc or similar factors that made MDs sound better. But ATRAC was one of the best things that ever happened to hifi. 
>
>
>ATRAC coding involves very extensive psycho-acoustic research by Sony - in the 1990s, they were far ahead of anything available at that time. Their processing algorithms were well advanced and pretty complex. Despite that, they were beautifully  executed with Sony's proprietary semiconductors. Because it was Sony who had that minimum standard, they had to come out with a medium that could beat Philips' DAT and be good enough to be thrown into the professional or broadcast industry.  While small file size was are requirement, sound quality and performance was their priority. What the ATRAC codec also did to digital files what a good reel to reel machine did to analogue signals. The actual ATRAC paper is pretty tough reading but gives a good insight on how deep the thought was on encoding audio signals. 
>
>
>Every codec available today has been designed with with an end goal - file size, bit-perfect (lossless?), streaming, DRM etc. ATRAC was for the most bit performance, but also with Sony's desire to control. They had a tough market to beat having to trounce DAT and better or equal the Red Book standard. 
>
>
>Today, the possibilities for digital media capture is amazing: 24/96 has become the starting gate and low latency USB and software is giving us tremendous performance with unprecedented flexibility. With bit perfect lossless codecs, we are assured of total accuracy in and out. But sonically, I don't feel as good as listening to a MD or cassette or LP. After listening to my favorite LPs through legitimate AAC  and FLAC versions, I still feel the performance through a Type R machine was better. Today's digital Studer broadcast stations still don't sound as good as listening to a Tascam MD machine. 
>
>
>Enjoy your E-10! 
>
>
>CheersBala 
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Rajiv Pandey <rajivdallas at gmail.com>
>To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Cc: "glasswolf at glasswolf.net" <glasswolf at glasswolf.net> 
>Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:10 AM
>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
> 
>
>
>Bala,
>
>
>Your note made me go dig up stuff on my MD deck...I used them extensively in the late 90's to the early 2000's to record live shows as they were much cheaper and portable than the DAT recorders...
>
>
>A few years back I had purchased a pro MD unit from Craigslist locally (MDS-E10) as i needed to transfer the shows digitally (rather than the analog out which was on the cheaper units)...your note made me check its specs and I was surprised to find it uses the ATRAC Type-R compression...and yes the specs do look jaw dropping - 5-20,000Hz and S/N ratio of 100db for digital and 98 for analog.
>
>
>I have never used MD for recording music from other sources (like CD or vinyl) but now your note has made me want to try it out...just for grins to see whether it does sound sweeter...
>
>
>That said, why do you think that Type-R sounded as close to reel as possible? Aren't the latest digital captures we do using USB capture like EMU 0404 at 24/96 or 24/192 a lot closer to the source sound? I wonder why you think the MD ATRAC surpassed the lossless mediums (and I assume you mean it sounded even better than DAT)...
>
>
>Rajiv
>
>
>On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>It was more of Sony's obsessive licensing practices that really killed the platform. What they had in the minidisc was really two technologies - the disc and the ATRAC compression system. IMHO, ATRAC is a very superior codec that is still better then some higher end codecs available today. A few years ago, Sony did queer things with ATRAC but never used it in a way Apple did with their own lossless codecs. 
>>
>>
>>
>>To get a real taste of what ATRAC can do, one should try the JA-555ES flagship minidisc deck from Sony. Asides from the usual endowments all the ES equipment get, this puppy also has the Type R ATRAC coding. Frequency response starts from 5Hz. My jaw dropped when I first heard them - they are the next best thing after reel to reel and seriously, leave CDs way behind. Another mid range deck from Sony also featured the Type R ATRAC although Sony was more quiet about this as they field tested the Type R in this model whose number I can't remember. Again, the Type R has to be heard to be believed. 
>>
>>
>>
>>I only wish that ATRAC was available more openly like FLAC and in more devices. It is my most favourite codec after FLAC and would have made digital music more listenable. 
>>
>>
>>
>>On a more poigant note, minidisc was also the last achievment for Norio Ohga. Ohga-san was the person behind many of Sony's engineering success and was the Steve Jobs in Sony. Handling everything from the look and feel of the products right down to the engineering, he personally had a hand in many of Sony's audio products and shortwave radios. He got his foot into the door by suggesting many engineering changes to one of Sony's first open reel decks, the Model G (for Government). A trained soprano, sound quality was one of his main emphasis and he has been credited with championing 16 bits for the red book standard against Philips 14-bit proposal. A temperamental person who had many talents, Ohga-san was passionate about music. Ironically, he passed on just months before Steve Jobs in May last year. 
>>
>>
>>Bala 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>
>>
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>>Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:00 AM
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dat vs. MD
>> 
>>
>>
>>If I recall, the thing that stopped MD from really picking up in the mobile audio community at the time it was pushed in the early 90s, was both the serial copy protection deal, and more so, the compression it used that supposedly prevented it from having the frequency response of a CD.
>>Oh yeah, and of course the cost.
>>
>>
>>On 3/6/2012 4:40 PM, jesse ruff wrote: 
>>minidisc worse?  I use the format pretty much daily, and I've never experienced any real issues with jamming or otherwise.  I keep thinking I'll get away from the format, but the editing is so sweet, I keep using it--helps to have the recording deck in the car that allows me to track-mark my discs in between destinations--and sometimes catch radio programs while I'm out and about.  Even if you're leaving the car, you can set it to finish the recording while the car's off!  Pretty sweet.  Get your MD tracked, and then you just burn to CD.  Upload to computer from there...sound may not be as good as dat, but as far as reliability?  MD hands down in my experiences.  And when you're recording off the radio or just taking some vinyl on the road, the sound's perfectly adaquate.
>>>Jesse
>>> 
>>>p.s.  Sorry to get so off topic, but I couldn't resist.
>>>
>>>
>>>--- On Mon, 3/5/12, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak DAT
>>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>>Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 3:41 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mike,
>>>>
>>>>Check the CD transport to see if it has a loading
                  problem. A belt is commonly used to open the close the
                  drawer, and when they sit around the belt often gets
                  brittle and stretches out. Generally, a very simple
                  fix.
>>>>
>>>>As for the DAT, they're basically miniature audio VHS
                  transports. Unfortunately when they miniaturized them
                  they correspondingly scaled down the mechanical
                  strength of the "basket" that you insert the cassette
                  into. The result? Over time, the basket often bends
                  out of alignment. This results in problems loading and
                  unloading the tape. So, test the DAT to see if it
                  loads and unloads properly. Sadly, most DAT makers did
                  not supply the basket as a single, integral unit. You
                  had to buy individual parts, some of which were
                  available, and some of which were not. In 2012, most
                  are "unobtainium."
>>>>
>>>>If it's any consolation, the loading systems for
                  mini-discs were even worse!
>>>>
>>>>Fred
>>>>Classic Audio Repair
>>>>www.repairaudio.com 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Michael Marshall <mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for several years and have a good customer who bought the digital stack including a DAT recorder and CD transport from me.  I have not seen them in some time and I don't know if they are in working condition.  I told him I would try to sell them for him and I just want see if anyone is interested in the DAT or both.  If so, I can get them out of storage and check them out.  They are stored in Conroe, TX, about an hour from Houston.  Let me know and I'll pursue it further.
>>>>>Mike Marshall
>>>>>Houston
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From sem121470 at windstream.net  Mon Mar 19 13:34:14 2012
From: sem121470 at windstream.net (GlassWolf)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:34:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] NOS spare parts
In-Reply-To: <4F670433.8020002@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <4F670433.8020002@univ-rennes1.fr>
Message-ID: <4F6727C6.90301@windstream.net>

How much for the RX-505 window?

I have a 505 and could always use a spare just in case.

-Sean

On 3/19/2012 6:02 AM, bb wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I got the opportunity to get some spare parts (reference cassettes, 
> gauges, PB head,...) and now ready to sell some of them.
>
> These items are NEW and have never been used (yes, it does still exist 
> !) and most are still packed as they were some twenty five years ago, 
> I guess.
>
> Here is a list :
>
> E.H. Stroke Check Gauge (DA0 9051)
> Stroke Check Gauge S (DA0 9090)
> Tension Arm Adjust. cassette (DA0 9056A)
> Reference ZX cassette (DA0 9109A)
> Azimuth wire (0C0 8237)
> CAT window for RX-505/303 (0H0 4345 A)
> ZX-9 PB  Head P-8LH (GA0 2034 A)
> ZX-9 original pressure rollers (x2) (0C0 8164 G)
>
> Switch PCB assembly for RX-505 (BA0 5166 A)
>
>
> For pictures, see:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251011395511&hc=1&hm=uk%601d72f%2Biuq%7Fcbc7%3Fb 
> <http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251011395511&hc=1&hm=uk%601d72f%2Biuq%7Fcbc7%3Fb>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251011395523&hc=1&hm=uk%601d72f%2Bi%3Ako%3F3r6%602 
> <http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251011395523&hc=1&hm=uk%601d72f%2Bi%3Ako%3F3r6%602>
>
> If someone has any interest in one of them, contact me off list.
>
> Best Regards
>
> bernard
>
>
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From sem121470 at windstream.net  Mon Mar 19 13:35:23 2012
From: sem121470 at windstream.net (GlassWolf)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:35:23 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] NOS spare parts
In-Reply-To: <4F670433.8020002@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <4F670433.8020002@univ-rennes1.fr>
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Heck, gimme a price on the 505 PC board, too.  :)

Sean

On 3/19/2012 6:02 AM, bb wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I got the opportunity to get some spare parts (reference cassettes, 
> gauges, PB head,...) and now ready to sell some of them.
>
> These items are NEW and have never been used (yes, it does still exist 
> !) and most are still packed as they were some twenty five years ago, 
> I guess.
>
> Here is a list :
>
> E.H. Stroke Check Gauge (DA0 9051)
> Stroke Check Gauge S (DA0 9090)
> Tension Arm Adjust. cassette (DA0 9056A)
> Reference ZX cassette (DA0 9109A)
> Azimuth wire (0C0 8237)
> CAT window for RX-505/303 (0H0 4345 A)
> ZX-9 PB  Head P-8LH (GA0 2034 A)
> ZX-9 original pressure rollers (x2) (0C0 8164 G)
>
> Switch PCB assembly for RX-505 (BA0 5166 A)
>
>
> For pictures, see:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251011395511&hc=1&hm=uk%601d72f%2Biuq%7Fcbc7%3Fb 
> <http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251011395511&hc=1&hm=uk%601d72f%2Biuq%7Fcbc7%3Fb>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251011395523&hc=1&hm=uk%601d72f%2Bi%3Ako%3F3r6%602 
> <http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251011395523&hc=1&hm=uk%601d72f%2Bi%3Ako%3F3r6%602>
>
> If someone has any interest in one of them, contact me off list.
>
> Best Regards
>
> bernard
>
>
>
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From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Mon Mar 19 14:55:23 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:55:23 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] NOS spare parts
In-Reply-To: <4F670433.8020002@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <4F670433.8020002@univ-rennes1.fr>
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How much for the DA0 9051, E.H. stroke check gauge.

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of bb
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:02 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] NOS spare parts

Hi all

I got the opportunity to get some spare parts (reference cassettes, gauges, PB head,...) and now ready to sell some of them.

These items are NEW and have never been used (yes, it does still exist !) and most are still packed as they were some twenty five years ago, I guess.

Here is a list :

E.H. Stroke Check Gauge (DA0 9051)
Stroke Check Gauge S (DA0 9090)
Tension Arm Adjust. cassette (DA0 9056A)
Reference ZX cassette (DA0 9109A)
Azimuth wire (0C0 8237)
CAT window for RX-505/303 (0H0 4345 A)
ZX-9 PB  Head P-8LH (GA0 2034 A)
ZX-9 original pressure rollers (x2) (0C0 8164 G)
Switch PCB assembly for RX-505 (BA0 5166 A)

For pictures, see:
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251011395511&hc=1&hm=uk%601d72f%2Biuq%7Fcbc7%3Fb
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251011395523&hc=1&hm=uk%601d72f%2Bi%3Ako%3F3r6%602
If someone has any interest in one of them, contact me off list.
Best Regards
bernard
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From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Mon Mar 19 17:01:30 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:01:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NOS spare parts
In-Reply-To: <4F670433.8020002@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <4F670433.8020002@univ-rennes1.fr>
Message-ID: <4F67585A.2070706@univ-rennes1.fr>

Hi again everyone,

I want to let you know that all the spare parts have been purchased as a 
lot, and should therefore be considered no longer available.

Thanks for all
bernard


From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Tue Mar 20 11:25:14 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 11:25:14 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NOS spare parts
In-Reply-To: <4F67585A.2070706@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <4F670433.8020002@univ-rennes1.fr>
	<4F67585A.2070706@univ-rennes1.fr>
Message-ID: <CD8BA970-DEE0-402C-8E7E-95DF4E17B001@gmail.com>

Hi Bernard !

You  sold the Tension Cassette  to me two days ago !

It is clear for anybody who has a    has  a backbone, that you  did  
not have  got a " a LOT " to sell to

somebody else.

kind regards

Gerhard
Am 19.03.2012 um 17:01 schrieb bb:

> Hi again everyone,
>
> I want to let you know that all the spare parts have been purchased  
> as a lot, and should therefore be considered no longer available.
>
> Thanks for all
> bernard
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From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Tue Mar 20 14:23:31 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 14:23:31 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NOS spare parts
In-Reply-To: <CD8BA970-DEE0-402C-8E7E-95DF4E17B001@gmail.com>
References: <4F670433.8020002@univ-rennes1.fr>	<4F67585A.2070706@univ-rennes1.fr>
	<CD8BA970-DEE0-402C-8E7E-95DF4E17B001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F6884D3.3050308@univ-rennes1.fr>

Dear Gerhard,

Oh Yes, I have seen and received this message: But It came in on the 
19/03 at 16:28 but not two days erlier, on the 17/03 as you wrote !

Unless I am wrong, my initial "selling" message came in on Naktalk on 
19/03 at 11:02 AM, and my second one closing the sell at 5:01 PM.

The message agreeing the sell of the lot was sent at 15:42 (from my 
computer), don't know at what time it reaches the buyer.

Again, what could I do best ? I am asking it again! or what did I do wrong ?

For your perfect information, I sold the lot to a NakTalk member, not to 
a Ebayer!!!

Yours Sincerely

Bernard


Le 20/03/2012 11:25, Gerhard Wartha a écrit :
> Hi Bernard !
>
> You  sold the Tension Cassette  to me two days ago !
>
> It is clear for anybody who has a    has  a backbone, that you  did 
> not have  got a " a LOT " to sell to
>
> somebody else.
>
> kind regards
>
> Gerhard
> Am 19.03.2012 um 17:01 schrieb bb:
>
>> Hi again everyone,
>>
>> I want to let you know that all the spare parts have been purchased 
>> as a lot, and should therefore be considered no longer available.
>>
>> Thanks for all
>> bernard
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= 
>>
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>>
>
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From fsclaol at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 20 15:08:43 2012
From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 07:08:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] DR 8 & 10 and Nak HT Literature
Message-ID: <1332252523.65089.YahooMailNeo@web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Wouter,

Did you receive my scans above?
 
Fred in CT
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From fsclaol at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 20 16:16:26 2012
From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 08:16:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs. MD
Message-ID: <1332256586.1273.YahooMailNeo@web122501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Here's some good reading:

http://minidisc.org/aes_atrac.html


Fred in CT
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Tue Mar 20 19:24:20 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:24:20 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NOS spare parts
In-Reply-To: <4F6884D3.3050308@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <4F670433.8020002@univ-rennes1.fr>	<4F67585A.2070706@univ-rennes1.fr>
	<CD8BA970-DEE0-402C-8E7E-95DF4E17B001@gmail.com>
	<4F6884D3.3050308@univ-rennes1.fr>
Message-ID: <C735BDFD-DAA2-42BE-99F4-5534AE92C7D0@gmail.com>

Forget it.

You offer me to buy anything from your offer with  a price.  I said I  
will,  at the  same evening !.
#
Where is the Cassette ? Now ?`

Sad Story, And sad for you  if you don´t see there is  something wrong.

It is to much work to explain.

It is like I sayed.

Forget me.

Regards


Am 20.03.2012 um 14:23 schrieb bb:

> Dear Gerhard,
>
> Oh Yes, I have seen and received this message: But It came in on  
> the 19/03 at 16:28 but not two days erlier, on the 17/03 as you  
> wrote !
>
> Unless I am wrong, my initial "selling" message came in on Naktalk  
> on 19/03 at 11:02 AM, and my second one closing the sell at 5:01 PM.
>
> The message agreeing the sell of the lot was sent at 15:42 (from my  
> computer), don't know at what time it reaches the buyer.
>
> Again, what could I do best ? I am asking it again! or what did I  
> do wrong ?
>
> For your perfect information, I sold the lot to a NakTalk member,  
> not to a Ebayer!!!
>
> Yours Sincerely
>
> Bernard
>
>
> Le 20/03/2012 11:25, Gerhard Wartha a écrit :
>> Hi Bernard !
>>
>> You  sold the Tension Cassette  to me two days ago !
>>
>> It is clear for anybody who has a    has  a backbone, that you   
>> did not have  got a " a LOT " to sell to
>>
>> somebody else.
>>
>> kind regards
>>
>> Gerhard
>> Am 19.03.2012 um 17:01 schrieb bb:
>>
>>> Hi again everyone,
>>>
>>> I want to let you know that all the spare parts have been  
>>> purchased as a lot, and should therefore be considered no longer  
>>> available.
>>>
>>> Thanks for all
>>> bernard
>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> =========
>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> =========
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>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ 
>>> naktalk
>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> =========
>>
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>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- 
>> =========
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>> naktalk
>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- 
>> =========
>>
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From avss01 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 22:00:51 2012
From: avss01 at gmail.com (avss01)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 07:00:51 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-X
Message-ID: <CAES7Nr1txzPn6847K_ojPCfEQh7p_6_Bb5V=MDMx6Av3OzmPzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

Quick question to those that use it, do the MA-X tapes perform OK on a deck
aligned for MA, or do they need a little more bias to extract the full
benefit?

Best wishes to all

David
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From adrian at mechner.net  Sat Mar 24 01:27:00 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:27:00 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-X
In-Reply-To: <CAES7Nr1txzPn6847K_ojPCfEQh7p_6_Bb5V=MDMx6Av3OzmPzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAES7Nr1txzPn6847K_ojPCfEQh7p_6_Bb5V=MDMx6Av3OzmPzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001cd0954$d4c92fb0$7e5b8f10$@net>

They are a total mess! I would still buy them if you have any. I would free
you of the BIAS hacking issue.

 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of avss01
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 2:01 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-X

 

Hi all

Quick question to those that use it, do the MA-X tapes perform OK on a deck
aligned for MA, or do they need a little more bias to extract the full
benefit? 

Best wishes to all

David
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 24 04:40:08 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 13:40:08 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-X
In-Reply-To: <000001cd0954$d4c92fb0$7e5b8f10$@net>
References: <CAES7Nr1txzPn6847K_ojPCfEQh7p_6_Bb5V=MDMx6Av3OzmPzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001cd0954$d4c92fb0$7e5b8f10$@net>
Message-ID: <F86F3615-75EE-48F3-B8A6-8A1F55F62C1D@yahoo.com>

Why do you say it's a mess? 

Bala

Sent from my iPhone

On 24/03/2012, at 10:27 AM, "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

> They are a total mess! I would still buy them if you have any. I would free you of the BIAS hacking issue.
>  
> Adrian
>  
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of avss01
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 2:01 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-X
>  
> Hi all
> 
> Quick question to those that use it, do the MA-X tapes perform OK on a deck aligned for MA, or do they need a little more bias to extract the full benefit? 
> 
> Best wishes to all
> 
> David
> avss01
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From adrian at mechner.net  Sat Mar 24 11:01:38 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 03:01:38 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-X
In-Reply-To: <F86F3615-75EE-48F3-B8A6-8A1F55F62C1D@yahoo.com>
References: <CAES7Nr1txzPn6847K_ojPCfEQh7p_6_Bb5V=MDMx6Av3OzmPzQ@mail.gmail.com>	<000001cd0954$d4c92fb0$7e5b8f10$@net>
	<F86F3615-75EE-48F3-B8A6-8A1F55F62C1D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cd09a5$1ada7270$508f5750$@net>

I hope this will make him sell them to me. Why do you ask?

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 8:40 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK MA-X

 

Why do you say it's a mess? 

 

Bala


Sent from my iPhone


On 24/03/2012, at 10:27 AM, "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

They are a total mess! I would still buy them if you have any. I would free you of the BIAS hacking issue.

 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of avss01
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 2:01 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-X

 

Hi all

Quick question to those that use it, do the MA-X tapes perform OK on a deck aligned for MA, or do they need a little more bias to extract the full benefit? 

Best wishes to all

David
avss01 

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From adrian at mechner.net  Sat Mar 24 11:07:23 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 03:07:23 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-X
In-Reply-To: <F86F3615-75EE-48F3-B8A6-8A1F55F62C1D@yahoo.com>
References: <CAES7Nr1txzPn6847K_ojPCfEQh7p_6_Bb5V=MDMx6Av3OzmPzQ@mail.gmail.com>	<000001cd0954$d4c92fb0$7e5b8f10$@net>
	<F86F3615-75EE-48F3-B8A6-8A1F55F62C1D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001401cd09a5$e8af9f90$ba0edeb0$@net>

A box of these will get you a working Dragon:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SEALED-RARE-TDK-MA-R60-AUDIOPHILE-METAL-ALLOY-CASSETTE-HIGH-COERCIVITY-/220972914289?pt=UK_Music_Cassettes_GL <http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SEALED-RARE-TDK-MA-R60-AUDIOPHILE-METAL-ALLOY-CASSETTE-HIGH-COERCIVITY-/220972914289?pt=UK_Music_Cassettes_GL&hash=item3373031671> &hash=item3373031671

 

Bala, it was a joke before, man. 

Same as this sorrow ass who wants $100 bucks for a blank.

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 8:40 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK MA-X

 

Why do you say it's a mess? 

 

Bala


Sent from my iPhone


On 24/03/2012, at 10:27 AM, "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

They are a total mess! I would still buy them if you have any. I would free you of the BIAS hacking issue.

 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of avss01
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 2:01 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-X

 

Hi all

Quick question to those that use it, do the MA-X tapes perform OK on a deck aligned for MA, or do they need a little more bias to extract the full benefit? 

Best wishes to all

David
avss01 

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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 24 14:26:02 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 23:26:02 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-X
In-Reply-To: <001401cd09a5$e8af9f90$ba0edeb0$@net>
References: <CAES7Nr1txzPn6847K_ojPCfEQh7p_6_Bb5V=MDMx6Av3OzmPzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001cd0954$d4c92fb0$7e5b8f10$@net>
	<F86F3615-75EE-48F3-B8A6-8A1F55F62C1D@yahoo.com>
	<001401cd09a5$e8af9f90$ba0edeb0$@net>
Message-ID: <6D36004B-A5E8-43D2-9CC0-69473F113FB8@yahoo.com>

Adrian, 

They are sorry guys who would shell such money and then go on national tv if they could to get some street cred in the audiophile world. 

Bala

Sent from my iPhone

On 24/03/2012, at 8:07 PM, "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

> A box of these will get you a working Dragon:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SEALED-RARE-TDK-MA-R60-AUDIOPHILE-METAL-ALLOY-CASSETTE-HIGH-COERCIVITY-/220972914289?pt=UK_Music_Cassettes_GL&hash=item3373031671
>  
> Bala, it was a joke before, man.
> Same as this sorrow ass who wants $100 bucks for a blank.
> Adrian
>  
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 8:40 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK MA-X
>  
> Why do you say it's a mess? 
>  
> Bala
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 24/03/2012, at 10:27 AM, "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:
> 
> They are a total mess! I would still buy them if you have any. I would free you of the BIAS hacking issue.
>  
> Adrian
>  
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of avss01
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 2:01 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-X
>  
> Hi all
> 
> Quick question to those that use it, do the MA-X tapes perform OK on a deck aligned for MA, or do they need a little more bias to extract the full benefit? 
> 
> Best wishes to all
> 
> David
> avss01
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From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz  Mon Mar 26 14:00:49 2012
From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 01:00:49 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] 5Hz RAMM Test tapes. Update.
References: <4C5AB55ED3B841ED89AE56CCAD7A2E35@emachinef0bb72>
Message-ID: <7675B05441074DF3BA21667B10CAD7EE@emachinef0bb72>

Hello everyone,

Regarding 5 Hz RAMM Cassettes, they are available now from my 
websitehttp://www.gennlab.com

The cassettes made to Nakamichi RAMM System Factory Specifications

Please note this "5Hz" cassette is not strait 5Hz cassette.

5Hz signal is encoded in the other signals

I described the signal by mathematical expressions (formulas).

Then I put it in an Expression Evaluation Signal Generator

Tweaking the formula's parameters I matched the output signal to the Nak 
RAMM System Factory Specifications.

To record the tape I designed a special multi-frequency modulator and used 3 
synchronized Swiss-made by NEUTRIK super stable precision 
computer-controlled analog signal generators.

Finally the DA09061A 5Hz RAMM Speed cassette clone was born.

I compared this cassette with a NOS (never been used, factory sealed) Nak 
DA09061A cassette. No difference in performance between them.

This cassette CAN NOT to be a cheap cassette. So much work and expensive 
test equipment were involved in design and manufacturing process.

The other Standard Alignment Cassettes can be ordered from 
http://www.gennlab.com

Cheers,

Gennady

http://www.gennlab.com

+64 21 238 3056

P.S. 1 kHz Track Alignment Tape DA09007A clone project is under development





From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz  Mon Mar 26 14:03:18 2012
From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 01:03:18 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] Test tapes. Updates.
References: <4C5AB55ED3B841ED89AE56CCAD7A2E35@emachinef0bb72>
Message-ID: <F8F20A3E012243B298B37B1442ECBEF6@emachinef0bb72>

Hello everyone,

Regarding 5 Hz RAMM Cassettes, they are available now from my website 
http://www.gennlab.com

The cassettes made to Nakamichi RAMM System Factory Specifications

Please note this "5Hz" cassette is not strait 5Hz cassette.

5Hz signal is encoded in the other signals

I described the signal by mathematical expressions (formulas).

Then I put it in an Expression Evaluation Signal Generator

Tweaking the formula's parameters I matched the output signal to the Nak 
RAMM System Factory Specifications.

To record the tape I designed a special multi-frequency modulator and used 3 
synchronized Swiss-made by NEUTRIK super stable precision 
computer-controlled analog signal generators.

Finally the DA09061A 5Hz RAMM Speed cassette clone was born.

I compared this cassette with a NOS (never been used, factory sealed) Nak 
DA09061A cassette. No difference in performance between them.

This cassette CAN NOT to be a cheap cassette. So much work and expensive 
test equipment were involved in design and manufacturing process.

The other Standard Alignment Cassettes can be ordered from 
http://www.gennlab.com

Cheers,

Gennady

http://www.gennlab.com

+64 21 238 3056

P.S. 1 kHz Track Alignment Tape DA09007A clone project is under development





From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Mar 26 21:39:18 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:39:18 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 5Hz RAMM Test tapes. Update.
In-Reply-To: <7675B05441074DF3BA21667B10CAD7EE@emachinef0bb72>
References: <4C5AB55ED3B841ED89AE56CCAD7A2E35@emachinef0bb72>
	<7675B05441074DF3BA21667B10CAD7EE@emachinef0bb72>
Message-ID: <001ee3248cb1ec39cf0c13413837ebee.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Really good news Gennady!

Wouter

> Hello everyone,
>
> Regarding 5 Hz RAMM Cassettes, they are available now from my
> websitehttp://www.gennlab.com
>
> The cassettes made to Nakamichi RAMM System Factory Specifications
>
> Please note this "5Hz" cassette is not strait 5Hz cassette.
>
> 5Hz signal is encoded in the other signals
>
> I described the signal by mathematical expressions (formulas).
>
> Then I put it in an Expression Evaluation Signal Generator
>
> Tweaking the formula's parameters I matched the output signal to the Nak
> RAMM System Factory Specifications.
>
> To record the tape I designed a special multi-frequency modulator and used
> 3
> synchronized Swiss-made by NEUTRIK super stable precision
> computer-controlled analog signal generators.
>
> Finally the DA09061A 5Hz RAMM Speed cassette clone was born.
>
> I compared this cassette with a NOS (never been used, factory sealed) Nak
> DA09061A cassette. No difference in performance between them.
>
> This cassette CAN NOT to be a cheap cassette. So much work and expensive
> test equipment were involved in design and manufacturing process.
>
> The other Standard Alignment Cassettes can be ordered from
> http://www.gennlab.com
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gennady
>
> http://www.gennlab.com
>
> +64 21 238 3056
>
> P.S. 1 kHz Track Alignment Tape DA09007A clone project is under
> development
>





From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 26 22:17:04 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:17:04 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Test tapes. Updates.
In-Reply-To: <F8F20A3E012243B298B37B1442ECBEF6@emachinef0bb72>
References: <4C5AB55ED3B841ED89AE56CCAD7A2E35@emachinef0bb72>
	<F8F20A3E012243B298B37B1442ECBEF6@emachinef0bb72>
Message-ID: <1E41EA3F-9AD0-4A54-9B7F-BA5F5468B15B@yahoo.com>

That's great news! Need to put my order through and evaluate these against the standard tapes. Your manufacturing process seems pretty well thought out and should keep variations to a bare minimum. 

Cheer! 
Bala 

Sent from my iPhone

On 26/03/2012, at 10:03 PM, Gennady Lyskin <g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> Regarding 5 Hz RAMM Cassettes, they are available now from my website http://www.gennlab.com
> 
> The cassettes made to Nakamichi RAMM System Factory Specifications
> 
> Please note this "5Hz" cassette is not strait 5Hz cassette.
> 
> 5Hz signal is encoded in the other signals
> 
> I described the signal by mathematical expressions (formulas).
> 
> Then I put it in an Expression Evaluation Signal Generator
> 
> Tweaking the formula's parameters I matched the output signal to the Nak RAMM System Factory Specifications.
> 
> To record the tape I designed a special multi-frequency modulator and used 3 synchronized Swiss-made by NEUTRIK super stable precision computer-controlled analog signal generators.
> 
> Finally the DA09061A 5Hz RAMM Speed cassette clone was born.
> 
> I compared this cassette with a NOS (never been used, factory sealed) Nak DA09061A cassette. No difference in performance between them.
> 
> This cassette CAN NOT to be a cheap cassette. So much work and expensive test equipment were involved in design and manufacturing process.
> 
> The other Standard Alignment Cassettes can be ordered from http://www.gennlab.com
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Gennady
> 
> http://www.gennlab.com
> 
> +64 21 238 3056
> 
> P.S. 1 kHz Track Alignment Tape DA09007A clone project is under development
> 
> 
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From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz  Tue Mar 27 12:48:20 2012
From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 23:48:20 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] test tapes
References: <1322039728.73287.YahooMailNeo@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <738BF456924B4BAB87CEB53CB553194B@emachinef0bb72>

Hi Stelios,

Regarding 5 Hz RAMM Cassettes, they are available now from my website 

http://www.gennlab.com/5hz_ramm.html

The cassettes made to Nakamichi RAMM System Factory Specifications

Please note this "5Hz" cassette is not strait 5Hz cassette.

5Hz signal is encoded in the other signals

I described the signal by mathematical expressions (formulas).

Then I put it in an Expression Evaluation Signal Generator

Tweaking the formula's parameters I matched the output signal to the Nak RAMM System Factory Specifications.

To record the tape I designed a special multi-frequency modulator and used 3 synchronized Swiss-made by NEUTRIK super stable precision computer-controlled analog signal generators.

Finally the DA09061A 5Hz RAMM Speed cassette clone was born.

I compared this cassette with a NOS (never been used, factory sealed) Nak DA09061A cassette. No difference in performance between them.

This cassette CAN NOT to be a cheap cassette. So much work and expensive test equipment were involved in design and manufacturing process.

The other Standard Alignment Cassettes can be ordered from 

http://www.gennlab.com/alignment_cassettes.html

Cheers,

Gennady

http://www.gennlab.com

+64 21 238 3056

P.S. 1 kHz Track Alignment Tape DA09007A clone project is under development

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: stelios kastanakis 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:15 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] test tapes


  Hi 
  I have just received the test tapes from Gennadi.
  These tapes are great , they perform just like the original Naks.
  I believe that those tapes are a must have for all Nak lovers , and they are worth 
  every $ pay for them.
  Stelios


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From aswett1 at rochester.rr.com  Tue Mar 27 22:08:50 2012
From: aswett1 at rochester.rr.com (Al Swett)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:08:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak R-1 mini receiver...disappearing right channel
Message-ID: <8A4A18221D1D4A0A9CE9795F9DD7FBA1@alsdesk4>

This little unit has sat on my shelf for years keeping me company during the day.   It operates fine when first turned on then the right channel gradually disappears, with a bit of distortion on the way.  My local electronics shop isn't eager to work on it (uncertain availability of manuals, parts, etc.) so I was wondering if anyone on the Naktalk forum had any knowledge about it and suggestions for what might be causing the problem or how to track it down?  I'm not an expert, but can do some rudimentary diagnosing, perhaps.  It's not worth much, but I'd like to keep it in service if possible.  Thanks.
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From bernardsda at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 27 23:07:09 2012
From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 06:07:09 +0900
Subject: [naktalk] Attention Willy Hermann
In-Reply-To: <8A4A18221D1D4A0A9CE9795F9DD7FBA1@alsdesk4>
References: <8A4A18221D1D4A0A9CE9795F9DD7FBA1@alsdesk4>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP37829C2D4197A3F474722A1D54A0@phx.gbl>

Hi Willy.

I've sent you a couple of emails offline (at your invitation), but not had a reply. I wonder if your email filters are working too effectively?
Would you mind dropping me a line after looking at the mail I sent you yesterday?

Many thanks,

Bernard



From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Wed Mar 28 06:41:02 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:41:02 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] lapping heads
Message-ID: <000d01cd0c9c$fb86cf40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

Anyone have any luck lapping ZX-9 heads?  How important is the smoothness of the finish?

Cheers,
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From chapman.w2 at sky.com  Wed Mar 28 12:17:06 2012
From: chapman.w2 at sky.com (John Chapman)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:17:06 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] lapping heads
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I have lapped heads successfully on Akai r-reels and you must get a  
glass smooth finish using metal polish to finish off but on a ZX9! You  
would need a surgeons glasses and a lot of luck.

Regards

John Chapman
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> Anyone have any luck lapping ZX-9 heads?  How important is the  
> smoothness of the finish?
>
> Cheers,
> Rainer S.
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From bernardsda at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 28 13:25:58 2012
From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:25:58 +0900
Subject: [naktalk] lapping heads
In-Reply-To: <9F2AAA81-FF4E-4D1C-B5B1-EE6D15E65A39@sky.com>
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There's a guy in Britain who does relapping of heads (or he did, up to a few years ago). Here are his details:
Terry Summers
Summertone Ltd.,
98 Scatterdells Lane,
Chipperfield
Herts.  WD4 9EZ
United Kingdom

Tel: +44 (0)1923 263220
Fax: +44 (0)1923 260606
e-mail: smtone at globalnet.co.uk


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> On 28 Mar 2012, at 05:41, Rainer & Joy-Ell wrote:
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>> Anyone have any luck lapping ZX-9 heads?  How important is the smoothness of the finish?
>>  
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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 28 17:53:57 2012
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:53:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-X
In-Reply-To: <001401cd09a5$e8af9f90$ba0edeb0$@net>
Message-ID: <1332950037.34656.YahooMailClassic@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

He's just trying to see if some #%&* will pay that!Bob N

--- On Sat, 3/24/12, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK MA-X
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Saturday, March 24, 2012, 3:07 AM

A box of these will get you a working Dragon:http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SEALED-RARE-TDK-MA-R60-AUDIOPHILE-METAL-ALLOY-CASSETTE-HIGH-COERCIVITY-/220972914289?pt=UK_Music_Cassettes_GL&hash=item3373031671  Bala, it was a joke before, man. Same as this sorrow ass who wants $100 bucks for a blank.Adrian  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 8:40 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK MA-X  Why do you say it's a mess?   Bala
Sent from my iPhone
On 24/03/2012, at 10:27 AM, "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:They are a total mess! I would still buy them if you have any. I would free you of the BIAS hacking issue. Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of avss01
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 2:01 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-X Hi all

Quick question to those that use it, do the MA-X tapes perform OK on a deck aligned for MA, or do they need a little more bias to extract the full benefit? 

Best wishes to all

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From mwhipple at charter.net  Thu Mar 29 19:11:14 2012
From: mwhipple at charter.net (Matt Whipple)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:11:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Power Button Cover
Message-ID: <CAH6o5GuGxNvw2=sHm5ZEJx73tGDKNqh9R3UL-WTUS=NvuZmwqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm looking for the square cover part of the power button for a Dragon. I
assume there are several models with the same square piece.  If anyone has
one available please contact me off list.

Thanks,
Matt
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Fri Mar 30 04:34:17 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:34:17 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] lapping heads
References: <000d01cd0c9c$fb86cf40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>
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Thanks John, I'm getting a hold of some lapping paper and going to give it a try. I would buy definetly buy a new head if I could though.

Cheers,
Rainer

P.S. I think your right about the luck part! :)  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Chapman 
  To: Rainer & Joy-Ell ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:17 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] lapping heads


  I have lapped heads successfully on Akai r-reels and you must get a glass smooth finish using metal polish to finish off but on a ZX9! You would need a surgeons glasses and a lot of luck.


  Regards


  John Chapman
  ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS


  chapman.w2 at sky.com


  10 Belmont Terrace
  Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX
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    Anyone have any luck lapping ZX-9 heads?  How important is the smoothness of the finish?

    Cheers,
    Rainer S. 





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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Fri Mar 30 09:48:26 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 09:48:26 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <3D80AC3F-8F1E-4327-BE8C-99B97AA01DC7@gmail.com>

Dear Bala, and all listeners,

In a ZXL are many ( so called Low Noise ) Electrolytic capacitors  
with small value , like 0,68  uF , and 0,47 uF

There are two Series of  Capacitors  to buy right now for replace the  
originals.

ELNA Silmic II , put the smallest value is 1uF at this series.

And the NICHICON FW, This one is called AUDIO STANDARD CAPACITOR,  
with Values from 0,22 to  0,68,  1uF , and more.


What will be the better way ? use the NICHICON  FW  AUDIO Standard in  
the exact value or use the may be better sounding Silmic II  1uF

instate ?

kind regards

Gerhard

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 16:00:48 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:00:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak R-1 mini receiver...disappearing right channel
In-Reply-To: <8A4A18221D1D4A0A9CE9795F9DD7FBA1@alsdesk4>
References: <8A4A18221D1D4A0A9CE9795F9DD7FBA1@alsdesk4>
Message-ID: <1333116048.62730.YahooMailNeo@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If you have a signal tracer, it's a simple matter of following the right channel signal path (after it 

disappears) to find out the location of the fault, then the failing component. If you don't have a 

signal tracer, you can use the left channel for the purpose. 


A schematic at your side will be a huge time saver. 


-- Ron





>________________________________
> From: Al Swett <aswett1 at rochester.rr.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 4:08 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] Nak R-1 mini receiver...disappearing right channel
> 
>
> 
>This little unit has sat on my shelf for years 
keeping me company during the day.   It operates fine when first 
turned on then the right channel gradually disappears, with a bit of distortion 
on the way.  My local electronics shop isn't eager to work on it (uncertain 
availability of manuals, parts, etc.) so I was wondering if anyone on the 
Naktalk forum had any knowledge about it and suggestions for what might be 
causing the problem or how to track it down?  I'm not an expert, but can do 
some rudimentary diagnosing, perhaps.  It's not worth much, but I'd like to 
keep it in service if possible.  Thanks.
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From chapman.w2 at sky.com  Fri Mar 30 11:31:45 2012
From: chapman.w2 at sky.com (John Chapman)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:31:45 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] lapping heads
In-Reply-To: <001901cd0e1d$9b8f4270$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>
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Hi

You will need to have the lapping paper backed up by a block of some  
kind so the head is ground down at an even level. And arrange it so  
that the paper slides in the direction of tape travel to and fro - You  
would need to mount the head firmly down and be able to apply even  
pressure to the paper around the circumference of the head - imagine  
you were drying the back of your neck with a towel! I seem to remember  
using a rubber block as employed by car refinishers, with 1200 grade  
wet and dry stretched over it. This was on an ancient Akai 1710 I was  
refurbishing - still have it for my old tapes of Top Gear and dear old  
John Peel

If the head is ground in any way but evenly you may well get drop outs  
I guess.

Someone is going to say this is complete tosh of course and they ma  
well be right!
Regards

John Chapman
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> Thanks John, I'm getting a hold of some lapping paper and going to  
> give it a try. I would buy definetly buy a new head if I could though.
>
> Cheers,
> Rainer
>
> P.S. I think your right about the luck part! :)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Chapman
> To: Rainer & Joy-Ell ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] lapping heads
>
> I have lapped heads successfully on Akai r-reels and you must get a  
> glass smooth finish using metal polish to finish off but on a ZX9!  
> You would need a surgeons glasses and a lot of luck.
>
> Regards
>
> John Chapman
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>> Anyone have any luck lapping ZX-9 heads?  How important is the  
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From frwhl at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 14:03:36 2012
From: frwhl at yahoo.com (Eric)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:03:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 109, Issue 24
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A 581 or 481 deck could be the fine basis of a donor head for a ZX-9.

eBay prices on such decks requring belts or other work sometimes are in the $75-150 range shipped.

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> Message: 1
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> Hi,
> 
> I'm looking for the square cover part of the power button for a Dragon. I
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> From: "Rainer & Joy-Ell" <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] lapping heads
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> Thanks John, I'm getting a hold of some lapping paper and going to give it a try. I would buy definetly buy a new head if I could though.
> 
> Cheers,
> Rainer
> 
> P.S. I think your right about the luck part! :)  
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: John Chapman 
>  To: Rainer & Joy-Ell ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>  Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:17 AM
>  Subject: Re: [naktalk] lapping heads
> 
> 
>  I have lapped heads successfully on Akai r-reels and you must get a glass smooth finish using metal polish to finish off but on a ZX9! You would need a surgeons glasses and a lot of luck.
> 
> 
>  Regards
> 
> 
>  John Chapman
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> 
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> 
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>  On 28 Mar 2012, at 05:41, Rainer & Joy-Ell wrote:
> 
> 
>    Anyone have any luck lapping ZX-9 heads?  How important is the smoothness of the finish?
> 
>    Cheers,
>    Rainer S. 
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> From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
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> Dear Bala, and all listeners,
> 
> In a ZXL are many ( so called Low Noise ) Electrolytic capacitors  
> with small value , like 0,68  uF , and 0,47 uF
> 
> There are two Series of  Capacitors  to buy right now for replace the  
> originals.
> 
> ELNA Silmic II , put the smallest value is 1uF at this series.
> 
> And the NICHICON FW, This one is called AUDIO STANDARD CAPACITOR,  
> with Values from 0,22 to  0,68,  1uF , and more.
> 
> 
> What will be the better way ? use the NICHICON  FW  AUDIO Standard in  
> the exact value or use the may be better sounding Silmic II  1uF
> 
> instate ?
> 
> kind regards
> 
> Gerhard
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 14:41:02 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:41:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Cap values vs types
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References: <3D80AC3F-8F1E-4327-BE8C-99B97AA01DC7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1333111262.50605.YahooMailNeo@web160606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Gerhard, 

Adherence to the values definitely take precedence over the type of the capacitors. By changing the capacitor values, the circuit then deviates and changes the manner in which it operates. The Nichicon FW is a pretty good sounding capacitor and has a good reputation - so go for it! 

Cheers!
Bala 


________________________________
 From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 5:48 PM
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
 
Dear Bala, and all listeners,

In a ZXL are many ( so called Low Noise ) Electrolytic capacitors with small value , like 0,68  uF , and 0,47 uF

There are two Series of  Capacitors  to buy right now for replace the originals.

ELNA Silmic II , put the smallest value is 1uF at this series.

And the NICHICON FW, This one is called AUDIO STANDARD CAPACITOR, with Values from 0,22 to  0,68,  1uF , and more.


What will be the better way ? use the NICHICON  FW  AUDIO Standard in the exact value or use the may be better sounding Silmic II  1uF

instate ?

kind regards

Gerhard









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From ronami at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 16:17:55 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:17:55 -0700 (PDT)
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Generally: the better caps will have lower ESR (or Tan(delta), if specified). As to exact values 

of audio coupling capacitors, these are not very critical when somewhat higher.




>________________________________
> From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 3:48 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
> 
>Dear Bala, and all listeners,
>
>In a ZXL are many ( so called Low Noise ) Electrolytic capacitors with small value , like 0,68  uF , and 0,47 uF
>
>There are two Series of  Capacitors  to buy right now for replace the originals.
>
>ELNA Silmic II , put the smallest value is 1uF at this series.
>
>And the NICHICON FW, This one is called AUDIO STANDARD CAPACITOR, with Values from 0,22 to  0,68,  1uF , and more.
>
>
>What will be the better way ? use the NICHICON  FW  AUDIO Standard in the exact value or use the may be better sounding Silmic II  1uF
>
>instate ?
>
>kind regards
>
>Gerhard
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Fri Mar 30 18:53:46 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:53:46 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 109, Issue 24
References: <201203301038.q2UARPhx013866@zxe.naks.com>
	<27EA7678-7917-46AE-8BA9-0440B142E446@yahoo.com>
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Thanks Eric, I was going to check which machines might have the same head 
but couldn't find the page where they are listed. I'd be willing to "make 
one fit" as long as the specs are similar. Still going to try the lapping 
thing too :)

Rainer

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Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 109, Issue 24


>A 581 or 481 deck could be the fine basis of a donor head for a ZX-9.
>
> eBay prices on such decks requring belts or other work sometimes are in 
> the $75-150 range shipped.
>
> On Mar 30, 2012, at 5:38, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:
>
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>> Subject: [naktalk] Power Button Cover
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>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking for the square cover part of the power button for a Dragon. I
>> assume there are several models with the same square piece.  If anyone 
>> has
>> one available please contact me off list.
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>> From: "Rainer & Joy-Ell" <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] lapping heads
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Message-ID: <001901cd0e1d$9b8f4270$400110ac at owner66fc96eb0>
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>>
>> Thanks John, I'm getting a hold of some lapping paper and going to give 
>> it a try. I would buy definetly buy a new head if I could though.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Rainer
>>
>> P.S. I think your right about the luck part! :)
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: John Chapman
>>  To: Rainer & Joy-Ell ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>  Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:17 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [naktalk] lapping heads
>>
>>
>>  I have lapped heads successfully on Akai r-reels and you must get a 
>> glass smooth finish using metal polish to finish off but on a ZX9! You 
>> would need a surgeons glasses and a lot of luck.
>>
>>
>>  Regards
>>
>>
>>  John Chapman
>>  ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS
>>
>>
>>  chapman.w2 at sky.com
>>
>>
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>>  Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX
>>  01872 865505
>>  07740 565255
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 28 Mar 2012, at 05:41, Rainer & Joy-Ell wrote:
>>
>>
>>    Anyone have any luck lapping ZX-9 heads?  How important is the 
>> smoothness of the finish?
>>
>>    Cheers,
>>    Rainer S.
>>
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>> Dear Bala, and all listeners,
>>
>> In a ZXL are many ( so called Low Noise ) Electrolytic capacitors
>> with small value , like 0,68  uF , and 0,47 uF
>>
>> There are two Series of  Capacitors  to buy right now for replace the
>> originals.
>>
>> ELNA Silmic II , put the smallest value is 1uF at this series.
>>
>> And the NICHICON FW, This one is called AUDIO STANDARD CAPACITOR,
>> with Values from 0,22 to  0,68,  1uF , and more.
>>
>>
>> What will be the better way ? use the NICHICON  FW  AUDIO Standard in
>> the exact value or use the may be better sounding Silmic II  1uF
>>
>> instate ?
>>
>> kind regards
>>
>> Gerhard
>>
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From adrian at mechner.net  Fri Mar 30 19:34:50 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:34:50 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] lapping heads
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Hi,

I'd stay away from this operation. If the deck still plays/records I would
use it as is until I would find replacement heads.

The precision you need for this operation is not possible without
specialized tools and the required knowledge. My bet is that you can ONLY
make it worth. If they are completely dead, you could play with what you
have on your mind, but don't expect the result to be more than an
experiment; it can go both ways. One thing is sure: It will never ever sound
like a Nak again.

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of John Chapman
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 2:32 AM
To: Rainer & Joy-Ell; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] lapping heads

 

Hi

 

You will need to have the lapping paper backed up by a block of some kind so
the head is ground down at an even level. And arrange it so that the paper
slides in the direction of tape travel to and fro - You would need to mount
the head firmly down and be able to apply even pressure to the paper around
the circumference of the head - imagine you were drying the back of your
neck with a towel! I seem to remember using a rubber block as employed by
car refinishers, with 1200 grade wet and dry stretched over it. This was on
an ancient Akai 1710 I was refurbishing - still have it for my old tapes of
Top Gear and dear old John Peel

 

If the head is ground in any way but evenly you may well get drop outs I
guess.

 

Someone is going to say this is complete tosh of course and they ma well be
right!

Regards

 

John Chapman

ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS

 

chapman.w2 at sky.com

 

10 Belmont Terrace

Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX

01872 865505

07740 565255

 

http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/

 





 

On 30 Mar 2012, at 03:34, Rainer & Joy-Ell wrote:





Thanks John, I'm getting a hold of some lapping paper and going to give it a
try. I would buy definetly buy a new head if I could though.

 

Cheers,

Rainer

 

P.S. I think your right about the luck part! :) 

----- Original Message -----

From: John Chapman <mailto:chapman.w2 at sky.com> 

To: Rainer  <mailto:joyell.solie at sasktel.net> & Joy-Ell ; Talk about
Nakamichi Cassette Decks <mailto:naktalk at naks.com> 

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:17 AM

Subject: Re: [naktalk] lapping heads

 

I have lapped heads successfully on Akai r-reels and you must get a glass
smooth finish using metal polish to finish off but on a ZX9! You would need
a surgeons glasses and a lot of luck.

 

Regards

 

John Chapman

ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS

 

chapman.w2 at sky.com

 

10 Belmont Terrace

Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PX

01872 865505

07740 565255

 

http://www.architecturalsolution.co.uk/

 





 

On 28 Mar 2012, at 05:41, Rainer & Joy-Ell wrote:





Anyone have any luck lapping ZX-9 heads?  How important is the smoothness of
the finish?

 

Cheers,

Rainer S. 






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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 22:15:35 2012
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:15:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <3D80AC3F-8F1E-4327-BE8C-99B97AA01DC7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1333138535.53610.YahooMailClassic@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

2 of the "1uF" in series will be close the your .47's.  Is that ok to do guys?Bob N

--- On Fri, 3/30/12, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, March 30, 2012, 12:48 AM

Dear Bala, and all listeners,

In a ZXL are many ( so called Low Noise ) Electrolytic capacitors with small value , like 0,68  uF , and 0,47 uF

There are two Series of  Capacitors  to buy right now for replace the originals.

ELNA Silmic II , put the smallest value is 1uF at this series.

And the NICHICON FW, This one is called AUDIO STANDARD CAPACITOR, with Values from 0,22 to  0,68,  1uF , and more.


What will be the better way ? use the NICHICON  FW  AUDIO Standard in the exact value or use the may be better sounding Silmic II  1uF

instate ?

kind regards

Gerhard








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From bernardsda at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 31 12:40:19 2012
From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:40:19 +0900
Subject: [naktalk] Apology to Willy
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Willy – and all.

I would like to offer a public apology to Willy for mistakenly "giving him the hurry up" (my words) through this forum.
(I sent an apology the other day,and have been looking out for it on NakTalk; but I've realised that instead of sending it to this forum, I accidentally sent it only to Willy).

I honestly thought my emails had not reached him (I had exactly that happen with a friend just in the last couple of months) – and thought the only way I could reach him was to make contact through the forum.
I really did not mean to give the impression that Willy doesn't answer his emails, but it seems that I inadvertently did exactly that. In fact, Willy has always dealt promptly, politely and helpfully with any of my enquiries.

So Willy, I hope you'll accept this apology.

Bernard White

P.S. If there is anyone who has both the ability and willingness to do some repair work on my ZXL, do please let me know. But it is an international job.




From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Sat Mar 31 12:53:48 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:53:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=28no_subject=29_Low_Noise_cap=B4?=
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Am 30.03.2012 um 22:15 schrieb Bob Naylor:

> 2 of the "1uF" in series will be close the your .47's.  Is that ok  
> to do guys?
>
> NICHICON   FW or FG (Audio)  Series with 0,22�F  and  0,47�F   
> parallel will be very close to 0,68�F
>
> Thank you  Bob, did found the FG Series now.
>
> Gerhard
>
> Bob N
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> --- On Fri, 3/30/12, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Friday, March 30, 2012, 12:48 AM
>
> Dear Bala, and all listeners,
>
> In a ZXL are many ( so called Low Noise ) Electrolytic capacitors  
> with small value , like 0,68  uF , and 0,47 uF
>
> There are two Series of  Capacitors  to buy right now for replace  
> the originals.
>
> ELNA Silmic II , put the smallest value is 1uF at this series.
>
> And the NICHICON FW, This one is called AUDIO STANDARD CAPACITOR,  
> with Values from 0,22 to  0,68,  1uF , and more.
>
>
> What will be the better way ? use the NICHICON  FW  AUDIO Standard  
> in the exact value or use the may be better sounding Silmic II  1uF
>
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>
> kind regards
>
> Gerhard
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From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz  Thu May  3 07:02:40 2012
From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 17:02:40 +1200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 and N682ZX restoration
Message-ID: <A7485D5C433F4F09844CA5823EC393B9@emachinef0bb72>

Hello everyone,

CR-4 deck view from inside and outside. Completed restoration project at 
http://www.gennlab.com/cr4.html
and,
N682ZX deck view from inside. Completed restoration project at 
http://www.gennlab.com/n682zx.html

Cheers,

Gennady Lyskin

G e n n L a b
http://www.gennlab.com
info at gennlab.com
Tel: +64 21 238 3056



From jeremy at jcssolicitors.co.uk  Thu May  3 15:28:28 2012
From: jeremy at jcssolicitors.co.uk (Jeremy Chandler-Smith)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 14:28:28 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck 1.5 - help please
Message-ID: <02cb01cd2930$a0457d10$e0d07730$@jcssolicitors.co.uk>

Hello I am new to the world of Naks.

 

I was wondering if you may be able to help. I have a Nakamichi Cassette Deck
1.5.

 

The  cover for the controls (which Nakamichi call the "sealing panel
assembly" in the service manual) has two little hinges or pegs.
Unfortunately they have snapped on my model.

 

The cover is used on both the Cassette Deck 1 and Cassette Deck 1.5. I think
it is also used on the Receiver 1.

 

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A colour picture might help

 

 
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If you have the spares, for either the complete door or little hinges, that
would be great (or any guidance or help as to where to try and source them).

 

Thanks

 

Jeremy

 

 

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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Thu May  3 17:05:31 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 17:05:31 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 and N682ZX restoration
In-Reply-To: <A7485D5C433F4F09844CA5823EC393B9@emachinef0bb72>
References: <A7485D5C433F4F09844CA5823EC393B9@emachinef0bb72>
Message-ID: <000601cd293e$2ee149c0$8ca3dd40$@nl>

Hi Gennady,

Nice projects, but can you explain what you are doing with that microscope?

Regards Norman

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
Gennady Lyskin
Verzonden: donderdag 3 mei 2012 7:03
Aan: Naktalk at naks.com
Onderwerp: [naktalk] CR-4 and N682ZX restoration

Hello everyone,

CR-4 deck view from inside and outside. Completed restoration project at
http://www.gennlab.com/cr4.html and, N682ZX deck view from inside. Completed
restoration project at http://www.gennlab.com/n682zx.html

Cheers,

Gennady Lyskin

G e n n L a b
http://www.gennlab.com
info at gennlab.com
Tel: +64 21 238 3056

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From Tom.Masterson at colorado.edu  Fri May  4 16:05:59 2012
From: Tom.Masterson at colorado.edu (Thomas Masterson)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 08:05:59 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx service
Message-ID: <53868C54-2011-44C0-97C8-398ED48E5EFE@colorado.edu>

My Nak 680ZX needs service (primarily new belts).
 Is there anyone close to Denver Colorado USA who could do this?
 Thanks, Tom
tom.masterson at colorado.edu

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From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz  Sat May  5 09:40:25 2012
From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 19:40:25 +1200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 and N682ZX restoration
References: <A7485D5C433F4F09844CA5823EC393B9@emachinef0bb72>
	<000601cd293e$2ee149c0$8ca3dd40$@nl>
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Hi Norman,



That microscope is for:



initial alignment of a Playback head core edge with tape edge,



traveling tape cross stability checking regarding head core edge (capstans 
with worn bearings are not parallel with pinch roller shafts and tape moves 
from side to side)



final Playback head height alignment, connected as a Record head, using a 
micrometer eyepiece and Magnetic Field Developer (viewer) designed by 
GennLab. This optical alignment method gives +-10 micron accuracy. 
Nakamichi's 1 kHz tape method gives +-100 micron accuracy.



Cheers,


Gennady Lyskin

G e n n L a b
http://www.gennlab.com
info at gennlab.com
Tel: +64 21 238 3056

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norman van Wijnen" <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 3:05 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-4 and N682ZX restoration


> Hi Gennady,
>
> Nice projects, but can you explain what you are doing with that 
> microscope?
>
> Regards Norman
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
> Gennady Lyskin
> Verzonden: donderdag 3 mei 2012 7:03
> Aan: Naktalk at naks.com
> Onderwerp: [naktalk] CR-4 and N682ZX restoration
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> CR-4 deck view from inside and outside. Completed restoration project at
> http://www.gennlab.com/cr4.html and, N682ZX deck view from inside. 
> Completed
> restoration project at http://www.gennlab.com/n682zx.html
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gennady Lyskin
>
> G e n n L a b
> http://www.gennlab.com
> info at gennlab.com
> Tel: +64 21 238 3056
>
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Sat May  5 16:17:00 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 11:17:00 -0300
Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] CR-4 and N682ZX restoration
In-Reply-To: <082E31DC23F14E058AF9921DE1255FF1@emachinef0bb72>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E723@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Hi Gennady,
I have to admit that I was quite impressed with your work AND the use of a microscope! If I didn"t a "tad" too far (I live in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil) I definitely would send you some of my Naks for fine tuning.
Regards,
Rodrigo Krause

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De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com>
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Enviada em: Sat May 05 04:40:25 2012
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] CR-4 and N682ZX restoration

Hi Norman,



That microscope is for:



initial alignment of a Playback head core edge with tape edge,



traveling tape cross stability checking regarding head core edge (capstans 
with worn bearings are not parallel with pinch roller shafts and tape moves 
from side to side)



final Playback head height alignment, connected as a Record head, using a 
micrometer eyepiece and Magnetic Field Developer (viewer) designed by 
GennLab. This optical alignment method gives +-10 micron accuracy. 
Nakamichi's 1 kHz tape method gives +-100 micron accuracy.



Cheers,


Gennady Lyskin

G e n n L a b
http://www.gennlab.com
info at gennlab.com
Tel: +64 21 238 3056

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norman van Wijnen" <naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 3:05 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-4 and N682ZX restoration


> Hi Gennady,
>
> Nice projects, but can you explain what you are doing with that 
> microscope?
>
> Regards Norman
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
> Gennady Lyskin
> Verzonden: donderdag 3 mei 2012 7:03
> Aan: Naktalk at naks.com
> Onderwerp: [naktalk] CR-4 and N682ZX restoration
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> CR-4 deck view from inside and outside. Completed restoration project at
> http://www.gennlab.com/cr4.html and, N682ZX deck view from inside. 
> Completed
> restoration project at http://www.gennlab.com/n682zx.html
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gennady Lyskin
>
> G e n n L a b
> http://www.gennlab.com
> info at gennlab.com
> Tel: +64 21 238 3056
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From davidt124 at internode.on.net  Sun May  6 08:29:18 2012
From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 16:29:18 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX problems
Message-ID: <CBCC575E.91BC%davidt124@internode.on.net>

I recently got my ZX-9 going well after replacing the capstan belt.
Straight after that the 682ZX became temperamental and stopped calibrating
properly on all tapes. The bias on the right channel is low. I have replaced
the transistors and caps in the bias oscillator but this has not helped. Now
I have upset the playback ­ the sound comes on for 1/2 a second and then
drops out completely.

Any suggestions would be appreciated before I send it away.

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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Sun May  6 18:03:53 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 09:03:53 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX problems
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Message-ID: <CAM9V8McT4k_wc9wSfAx-WPYtvatfYx5UknEgmX_2uASZDZvaiw@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like tape path problems.  Try cleaning/relubing capstan bearings and
replacing the capstan belt.

Willy

On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 11:29 PM, David Thompson
<davidt124 at internode.on.net>wrote:

> I recently got my ZX-9 going well after replacing the capstan belt.
> Straight after that the 682ZX became temperamental and stopped calibrating
> properly on all tapes. The bias on the right channel is low. I have
> replaced the transistors and caps in the bias oscillator but this has not
> helped. Now I have upset the playback – the sound comes on for 1/2 a second
> and then drops out completely.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated before I send it away.
>
> David
>
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From delta.em at frontiernet.net  Mon May  7 22:59:14 2012
From: delta.em at frontiernet.net (Doug DeMille)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 16:59:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-3A owner
Message-ID: <4FA837A2.7040207@frontiernet.net>

I just purchased a CR-3A on eBay.  Before it arrives I'd like to know 
what to look for and what I should do to the unit to make sure it 
performs properly.
Any advice?
thanks,
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From adrian at mechner.net  Mon May  7 23:38:14 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 14:38:14 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-3A owner
In-Reply-To: <4FA837A2.7040207@frontiernet.net>
References: <4FA837A2.7040207@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <000601cd2c99$b5858fa0$2090aee0$@net>

How much did you pay for and what was the description? Provide the link to
it and we can go from there.

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Doug DeMille
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 1:59 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-3A owner

 

I just purchased a CR-3A on eBay.  Before it arrives I'd like to know what
to look for and what I should do to the unit to make sure it performs
properly.
Any advice?
thanks,
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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Tue May  8 06:50:13 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 06:50:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] cr series reel motor
In-Reply-To: <000601cd2c99$b5858fa0$2090aee0$@net>
References: <4FA837A2.7040207@frontiernet.net>
	<000601cd2c99$b5858fa0$2090aee0$@net>
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Hi all,

 

Is there anyone who knows  replacement units / models for the sankyo reel
motor? Other brand or other types?

Which motor will fit?

 

Rgards Norman

 

 

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From claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr  Tue May  8 13:01:10 2012
From: claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr (Claude BONNAFOUS)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:01:10 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor
Message-ID: <EBCC21412E1142AC838474EBEF0A7EC8@CLO2842>

Hi Norman, 
        a recommended model is Mabuchi RF 310 T, I think MCM sells them in the States (part number 28-1920). I've got one, just in case...the shaft looks a bit too long though, but that could be corrected, a lot easier than too short a shaft !

                Good luck.
                                    Cl.B.



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From delta.em at frontiernet.net  Tue May  8 14:53:02 2012
From: delta.em at frontiernet.net (Doug DeMille)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 08:53:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: New CR-3A owner
Message-ID: <4FA9172E.1050101@frontiernet.net>

Thanks, Adrian,  The eBay Item number is: 221013767725
Page link:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221013767725?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

I paid $137.04, including coast to coast shipping.
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue May  8 16:21:11 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 07:21:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor
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References: <EBCC21412E1142AC838474EBEF0A7EC8@CLO2842>
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Are you sure this motor will fit the CR3? It's mounting holes are on 

15mm centers (will take some filing/drilling into the CR-3 mounting 

bracket). Also, Voltage is specified at 1V-6V, while (IIRC) the CR-3 

reel motor gets about 9V in FF/REW.

-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Claude BONNAFOUS <claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr>
>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 7:01 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor
> 
>
> 
>Hi Norman, 
>    
    a recommended model is Mabuchi RF 310 T, I think MCM sells 
them in the States (part number 28-1920). I've got one, just in case...the shaft 
looks a bit too long though, but that could be corrected, a lot easier than too 
short a shaft !
> 
>    
            Good luck.
>                                    
Cl.B.
> 
> 
> 
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From adrian at mechner.net  Tue May  8 17:29:36 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:29:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor
In-Reply-To: <1336486871.55317.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <EBCC21412E1142AC838474EBEF0A7EC8@CLO2842>
	<1336486871.55317.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002301cd2d2f$60535800$20fa0800$@net>

I have a CR3A with an IC issue and I don't have time to fix it, I might be
willing to sell it as is for parts or simply send you the motor, but I hate
ending up with another "box" parked somewhere in my household waiting for
others to need something out of it. Send me a PM with how much you would
spend and I'll let you know if that's fine and you could have it either the
unit or the motor.

Adrian 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Ron
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 7:21 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor

 

 

Are you sure this motor will fit the CR3? It's mounting holes are on 

15mm centers (will take some filing/drilling into the CR-3 mounting 

bracket). Also, Voltage is specified at 1V-6V, while (IIRC) the CR-3 

reel motor gets about 9V in FF/REW.

 

-- Ron

 


  _____  


From: Claude BONNAFOUS <claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 7:01 AM
Subject: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor

 

Hi Norman, 

        a recommended model is Mabuchi RF 310 T, I think MCM sells them in
the States (part number 28-1920). I've got one, just in case...the shaft
looks a bit too long though, but that could be corrected, a lot easier than
too short a shaft !

 

                Good luck.

                                    Cl.B.

 

 

 

 


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From adrian at mechner.net  Tue May  8 17:51:03 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:51:03 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: New CR-3A owner
In-Reply-To: <4FA9172E.1050101@frontiernet.net>
References: <4FA9172E.1050101@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <002801cd2d32$5fe7e4a0$1fb7ade0$@net>

Doug,

 

There are two , or maybe three kind of sellers on Ebay, the ones who are the
owners of such, then are family members who ends up having the gear and then
there are the garage sale rats. You will easily discover those because of
the "gynormos"  number of transactions, the garbage they sell and the
statement like on this listing "I inserted a cassette and  it worked well."

I'm not saying it's a bad unit, no way! However it's a lottery; if this is
your first Nak and you want to play with your old recordings, that's
something you will have no worries doing so, like the statement the seller
made: "It works fine".

If on the other hand you want it to perform like from factory, that's a
different story; it might even do that, but it as well might not.

It all depends on how much Nak you expect it to be. Also keep in mind that
the CR3 is an entry level in the 3 head world of Naks.

I would start with a recording test from a standard source; the easiest is a
computer generated signal at let's say 400Hz and adjust it to 0db. See what
the reading of that recording says.

If you don't know where to find a reliable and easy to use tone generator,
follow this link:

http://onlinetonegenerator.com/

If the recording shows a different reading compared to the source I can only
say: "Welcome to the club"! This would then be a case for valued members
like Bala, who will help you with "orange cap disease", BIAS, Dolby,
calibration and it will probably never end.

Don't be upset thou, because at this point you only spent 100 bucks which is
peanuts in the Nak world. 

Then listen for some unwanted noise in the FF and REW; check if the FF and
REW are at a speed which appears to be right (to slow spinning would most
likely mean that you need a new idler tire, but it also can be that it needs
some cleaning). And so, with your first bucks spent on parts and time spent
on fixing it, you will enter the fascinating world of Naks. You will also
find out that after 30 years Naks are not very reliable, but you might be
rewarded by a sweet sound.

 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Doug DeMille
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:53 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Re: New CR-3A owner

 

Thanks, Adrian,  The eBay Item number is: 221013767725
Page link:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221013767725?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/221013767725?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984
.m1439.l2649> &_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

I paid $137.04, including coast to coast shipping.
Doug

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From claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr  Wed May  9 12:16:57 2012
From: claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr (Claude BONNAFOUS)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:16:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] c3 series reel motor
Message-ID: <1A7EE7A1F8CE4BB8A78EFAA60E3EC8D6@CLO2842>

You are right Ron, the model I mentioned has been quoted as a substitute for the control motor on Sankyo transport, sorry for the mistake!
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From mrs1140 at hotmail.com  Wed May  9 13:53:29 2012
From: mrs1140 at hotmail.com (X Serenda)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 07:53:29 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor
In-Reply-To: <002301cd2d2f$60535800$20fa0800$@net>
References: <EBCC21412E1142AC838474EBEF0A7EC8@CLO2842>,
	<1336486871.55317.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<002301cd2d2f$60535800$20fa0800$@net>
Message-ID: <COL103-W496858321A6BD27F306A92A7110@phx.gbl>


Adrian,

On a separate issue, is the motor in the CR3A different from a BX series? I repaired my BX-300 by reconnecting a broken coil wire.

Max

From: adrian at mechner.net
To: ronami at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:29:36 -0700
CC: 

I have a CR3A with an IC issue and I don’t have time to fix it, I might be willing to sell it as is for parts or simply send you the motor, but I hate ending up with another “box” parked somewhere in my household waiting for others to need something out of it. Send me a PM with how much you would spend and I’ll let you know if that’s fine and you could have it either the unit or the motor.Adrian  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 7:21 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor  Are you sure this motor will fit the CR3? It's mounting holes are on 15mm centers (will take some filing/drilling into the CR-3 mounting bracket). Also, Voltage is specified at 1V-6V, while (IIRC) the CR-3 reel motor gets about 9V in FF/REW. -- Ron From: Claude BONNAFOUS <claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 7:01 AM
Subject: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor Hi Norman,         a recommended model is Mabuchi RF 310 T, I think MCM sells them in the States (part number 28-1920). I've got one, just in case...the shaft looks a bit too long though, but that could be corrected, a lot easier than too short a shaft !                 Good luck.                                    Cl.B.    
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed May  9 15:46:22 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 06:46:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] c3 series reel motor
In-Reply-To: <1A7EE7A1F8CE4BB8A78EFAA60E3EC8D6@CLO2842>
References: <1A7EE7A1F8CE4BB8A78EFAA60E3EC8D6@CLO2842>
Message-ID: <1336571182.47790.YahooMailNeo@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

No problem, Claude. But please be aware that this motor won't work well 

as a control motor, either. I believe the Sankyo control motor is specified 

for 12V. 

-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Claude BONNAFOUS <claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr>
>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 6:16 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] c3 series reel motor
> 
>
> 
>You are right Ron, the model I 
mentioned has been quoted as a substitute for the control motor on Sankyo 
transport, sorry for the mistake!
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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Wed May  9 21:59:49 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman Naktalk van Wijnen)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:59:49 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor
In-Reply-To: <1336486871.55317.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <EBCC21412E1142AC838474EBEF0A7EC8@CLO2842>
	<1336486871.55317.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hi all,

 

Today i measured the voltage on the reel motor of the CR5 i have here on the
workbench.

The reelmotor did in playmode 1.777 volt and in FF/REW mode 6.13 volt. 

 

It is'n t funny to replace the motor with a donor deck motor which will
probably get the same problems in no time, so I will give the RF310T a
chance and let you all know.

Maybe i can do a technical job to garantee the voltage will not exceed the 6
Volt.

 

Regards Norman

 

 

Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Ron
Verzonden: dinsdag 8 mei 2012 16:21
Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor

 

 

Are you sure this motor will fit the CR3? It's mounting holes are on 

15mm centers (will take some filing/drilling into the CR-3 mounting 

bracket). Also, Voltage is specified at 1V-6V, while (IIRC) the CR-3 

reel motor gets about 9V in FF/REW.

 

-- Ron

 


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From: Claude BONNAFOUS <claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 7:01 AM
Subject: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor

 

Hi Norman, 

        a recommended model is Mabuchi RF 310 T, I think MCM sells them in
the States (part number 28-1920). I've got one, just in case...the shaft
looks a bit too long though, but that could be corrected, a lot easier than
too short a shaft !

 

                Good luck.

                                    Cl.B.

 

 

 

 


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From adrian at mechner.net  Wed May  9 21:46:02 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:46:02 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor
In-Reply-To: <COL103-W496858321A6BD27F306A92A7110@phx.gbl>
References: <EBCC21412E1142AC838474EBEF0A7EC8@CLO2842>,
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The cam motor is a direct replacement from BX100 to CR3 and it's the same in
the MR2 (which I no longer have).

BX 300 is the same (almost) as the MR1. It is very possible that they are
the same but please have someone who knows better confirm this matter.

Adrian

I offered Ron to take my CR3 apart; if there are any desires for parts,
other than the single bad part - the IC (Sanyo) which controls the cam
motor, please let me know. It would be sweet to get back what I paid for
this non working CR3 ($150). People sometimes are stupid. So was I. It was
an Epay purchase (sounds familiar?) advertised as perfect working.

This is why the decks I sell out of my own household have an according price
tag. Mint is expensive, but also rewarding and not anyone is a geek.

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of X Serenda
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:53 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor

 

Adrian,

On a separate issue, is the motor in the CR3A different from a BX series? I
repaired my BX-300 by reconnecting a broken coil wire.

Max

  _____  

From: adrian at mechner.net
To: ronami at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:29:36 -0700
CC: 

I have a CR3A with an IC issue and I don't have time to fix it, I might be
willing to sell it as is for parts or simply send you the motor, but I hate
ending up with another "box" parked somewhere in my household waiting for
others to need something out of it. Send me a PM with how much you would
spend and I'll let you know if that's fine and you could have it either the
unit or the motor.

Adrian 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Ron
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 7:21 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor

 

 

Are you sure this motor will fit the CR3? It's mounting holes are on 

15mm centers (will take some filing/drilling into the CR-3 mounting 

bracket). Also, Voltage is specified at 1V-6V, while (IIRC) the CR-3 

reel motor gets about 9V in FF/REW.

 

-- Ron

 


  _____  


From: Claude BONNAFOUS <claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 7:01 AM
Subject: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor

 

Hi Norman, 

        a recommended model is Mabuchi RF 310 T, I think MCM sells them in
the States (part number 28-1920). I've got one, just in case...the shaft
looks a bit too long though, but that could be corrected, a lot easier than
too short a shaft !

 

                Good luck.

                                    Cl.B.

 

 

 

 


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From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 22:09:16 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550
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>
> HI Dave. I opened it up, played it, had a good look and listen and
> couldn't see anything touching off anything else. Flywheel looks fine. I'm
> giving it to a guy I know who has repaired lots of analogue studio
> equipment and reel to reel players to have a look at but if you have any
> more suggestions please let me know. I would send it to the US for a
> service but customs duty and postage would be a real problem.
>
> Anyway, thanks a lot for your help so far.
>
> Fergus
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Fergus Cullen <fergus.cullen at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Cheers Dave
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:11 AM, gtsdave <gtsdave at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>>  Seems like you would want to take the top cover off and listen for the
>>> scrapping noise.  Most likely it is coming from the flywheel.
>>>
>>> I don’t have a 550, so speaking in generalities.  I have a 1000ZXL.  I
>>> slowed down your audio clip and I could hear a scraping noise.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> *From:* Fergus Cullen [mailto:fergus.cullen at gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:23 PM
>>> *To:* gtsdave
>>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi again.
>>>
>>> If I wanted to have a look at this myself, where would be the best place
>>> to open up the 550? From the bottom?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:11 AM, gtsdave <gtsdave at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> It sounds to me that the clicking sound may be coming from the tape
>>> counter wheel, the wheel that looks like a fan
>>>
>>> the interrupts a light sensor to detect tape motion, but I think you
>>> would hear that in reverse and fast forward.
>>>
>>> In fast forward and rewind, the capstans are not engaged, so more likely
>>> the noise is coming from the capstans, or the
>>>
>>> flywheels.  I am leaning towards the flywheel rubbing on something.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> *From:* Fergus Cullen [mailto:fergus.cullen at gmail.com]
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:17 PM
>>> *To:* gtsdave
>>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I did all that (de-mag and tightened things up a bit) but the
>>> sound is still there.
>>>
>>> I've actually attached an mp3 of it that I recorded on my phone. It's a
>>> whirring and ticking sound.
>>>
>>> I think the ticking is a recent development. Also I'm sure the sound is
>>> coming directly from the transport.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess I'll need to get it serviced but I'd like to see if anyone has
>>> any more suggestions first.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, Fergus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Fergus Cullen <fergus.cullen at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Dave. Thanks a lot for your suggestions and sorry for the late reply.
>>> I was away the last week or so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I haven't demagged for a while so I'll try that but it sounds more like
>>> a mechanical problem, like something is under a little bit of stress or
>>> strain. Plus the sound isn't there when I rewind or fast forward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But anyway I'll have a tinker and let you know if there's an improvement
>>> or not.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best, Fergus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:19 AM, gtsdave <gtsdave at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Two things come to mind
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) demagnetize the heads and tape path
>>>
>>> 2) tighten the screws that hold the circuit board to the chassis, sounds
>>> like you might
>>>
>>> be getting ground hum.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> *From:* Fergus Cullen [mailto:fergus.cullen at gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:40 PM
>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>> *Subject:* [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've been using my 550 for a few years now with no trouble at all.
>>>
>>> These days I'm noticing a very faint humming/whirring/buzzing sound when
>>> it's playing or recording (basically whenever the play button is engaged).
>>>
>>> It's not VERY noisy but it is being picked up on all of my recordings
>>> over the last week or so .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fergus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Fergus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Fergus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Fergus
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From kslwinter at gmail.com  Thu May 10 01:10:27 2012
From: kslwinter at gmail.com (Winter Family)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:10:27 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550
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Hi-

My 2 cents...

I think the big clue is you say that the noise is being picked up in all your recordings, so it's most likely not a purely mechanical issue.

My first thought is a bad ground, as already suggested, which would cover the "humming/whirring/buzzing" sound you mentioned, but probably not a clicking
sound mentioned later. 

The motor itself could be a suspect-I would remove the belt, and put the deck in play. If you hear the noise, grab the motor pulley and slow it down. The noise will probably change with speed and disappear when stopped. If so, it's the motor or a ground/circuit associated with it. If not, the mystery continues... 

Scott

(Matt-Your deck is on the bench!)


 



----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Fergus Cullen 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:09 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550


    HI Dave. I opened it up, played it, had a good look and listen and couldn't see anything touching off anything else. Flywheel looks fine. I'm giving it to a guy I know who has repaired lots of analogue studio equipment and reel to reel players to have a look at but if you have any more suggestions please let me know. I would send it to the US for a service but customs duty and postage would be a real problem.


    Anyway, thanks a lot for your help so far.



    Fergus






    On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Fergus Cullen <fergus.cullen at gmail.com> wrote:

      Cheers Dave



      On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:11 AM, gtsdave <gtsdave at bellsouth.net> wrote:

        Seems like you would want to take the top cover off and listen for the scrapping noise.  Most likely it is coming from the flywheel.

        I don’t have a 550, so speaking in generalities.  I have a 1000ZXL.  I slowed down your audio clip and I could hear a scraping noise.




        -----Original Message-----
        From: Fergus Cullen [mailto:fergus.cullen at gmail.com] 

        Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:23 PM
        To: gtsdave
        Subject: Re: [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550



        Hi again. 

        If I wanted to have a look at this myself, where would be the best place to open up the 550? From the bottom?





        On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:11 AM, gtsdave <gtsdave at bellsouth.net> wrote:

        It sounds to me that the clicking sound may be coming from the tape counter wheel, the wheel that looks like a fan

        the interrupts a light sensor to detect tape motion, but I think you would hear that in reverse and fast forward.

        In fast forward and rewind, the capstans are not engaged, so more likely the noise is coming from the capstans, or the

        flywheels.  I am leaning towards the flywheel rubbing on something.





        -----Original Message-----
        From: Fergus Cullen [mailto:fergus.cullen at gmail.com] 

        Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:17 PM
        To: gtsdave
        Subject: Re: [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550



        Hi Dave



        Well, I did all that (de-mag and tightened things up a bit) but the sound is still there.

        I've actually attached an mp3 of it that I recorded on my phone. It's a whirring and ticking sound.

        I think the ticking is a recent development. Also I'm sure the sound is coming directly from the transport.



        I guess I'll need to get it serviced but I'd like to see if anyone has any more suggestions first.



        Thanks, Fergus







        On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Fergus Cullen <fergus.cullen at gmail.com> wrote:

        Hi Dave. Thanks a lot for your suggestions and sorry for the late reply. I was away the last week or so. 



        I haven't demagged for a while so I'll try that but it sounds more like a mechanical problem, like something is under a little bit of stress or strain. Plus the sound isn't there when I rewind or fast forward.



        But anyway I'll have a tinker and let you know if there's an improvement or not.



        Best, Fergus





        On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:19 AM, gtsdave <gtsdave at bellsouth.net> wrote:

        Two things come to mind



        1) demagnetize the heads and tape path

        2) tighten the screws that hold the circuit board to the chassis, sounds like you might

        be getting ground hum.



        -----Original Message-----
        From: Fergus Cullen [mailto:fergus.cullen at gmail.com] 
        Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:40 PM
        To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
        Subject: [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550



        Hi all



        I've been using my 550 for a few years now with no trouble at all.

        These days I'm noticing a very faint humming/whirring/buzzing sound when it's playing or recording (basically whenever the play button is engaged).

        It's not VERY noisy but it is being picked up on all of my recordings over the last week or so .



        Any ideas?



        Thanks



        Fergus















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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu May 10 10:46:21 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 01:46:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor
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> The cam motor is a direct replacement from BX100 to CR3...

You are probably right, but be aware their P/Ns are not the same, so a 

gotcha is a possibility.

> BX 300 is the same (almost) as the MR1

Yep, transports (and obviously, reel motors) are identical. The differences 

between the two decks are I/O connections and pitch control in the MR1. 


-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
>To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 3:46 PM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor
> 
>
>The cam motor is a direct replacement from BX100 to CR3 and it’s the same in the MR2 (which I no longer have).
>BX 300 is the same (almost) as the MR1. It is very possible that they are the same but please have someone who knows better confirm this matter.
>Adrian
>I offered Ron to take my CR3 apart; if there are any desires for parts, other than the single bad part – the IC (Sanyo) which controls the cam motor, please let me know. It would be sweet to get back what I paid for this non working CR3 ($150). People sometimes are stupid… So was I. It was an Epay purchase (sounds familiar?) advertised as perfect working…
>This is why the decks I sell out of my own household have an according price tag… Mint is expensive, but also rewarding and not anyone is a geek…
>Adrian
> 
>From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of X Serenda
>Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:53 AM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor
> 
>Adrian,
>
>On a separate issue, is the motor in the CR3A different from a BX series? I repaired my BX-300 by reconnecting a broken coil wire.
>
>Max
>
>________________________________
>
>From: adrian at mechner.net
>To: ronami at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor
>Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:29:36 -0700
>CC: 
>I have a CR3A with an IC issue and I don’t have time to fix it, I might be willing to sell it as is for parts or simply send you the motor, but I hate ending up with another “box” parked somewhere in my household waiting for others to need something out of it. Send me a PM with how much you would spend and I’ll let you know if that’s fine and you could have it either the unit or the motor.
>Adrian 
> 
>From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron
>Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 7:21 AM
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor
> 
> 
>Are you sure this motor will fit the CR3? It's mounting holes are on 
>15mm centers (will take some filing/drilling into the CR-3 mounting 
>bracket). Also, Voltage is specified at 1V-6V, while (IIRC) the CR-3 
>reel motor gets about 9V in FF/REW.
> 
>-- Ron
> 
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>From:Claude BONNAFOUS <claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr>
>>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 7:01 AM
>>Subject: [naktalk] cr 3 series reel motor
>> 
>>Hi Norman, 
>>        a recommended model is Mabuchi RF 310 T, I think MCM sells them in the States (part number 28-1920). I've got one, just in case...the shaft looks a bit too long though, but that could be corrected, a lot easier than too short a shaft !
>> 
>>                Good luck.
>>                                    Cl.B.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From graham.cameron at rockside.co.uk  Thu May 10 12:33:10 2012
From: graham.cameron at rockside.co.uk (Graham Cameron)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 11:33:10 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [naktalk] 481Z Record problem
Message-ID: <34678.147.89.224.77.1336645990.squirrel@sqmail.gn.apc.org>



I am new to this list/topic, so please bear with me. I am having a
clear out and have a 481Z which I haven't used in years  and so would like
to sell. There have been a couple of problems with it: first the eject
button  wouldn't work, I managed to fix this by following instructions I
found  on Scott's NAK FAQ pages. Now it plays fine but won't record. When
I press the record button,  nothing happens, lamp doesn't light, input
meters don't move, nothing. I have searched all the NAK archives but
couldn't find anything related. Does anyone please have any ideas? Unlike
many on these pages I am no electronics wizard, so as an  alternative, if
there are any repairers (I am in UK Midlands) listening  or recommended,
please shout. Thanks in advance. Graham
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From graham.cameron at rockside.co.uk  Thu May 10 21:45:05 2012
From: graham.cameron at rockside.co.uk (Graham Cameron)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:45:05 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [naktalk] 481Z Record problem
Message-ID: <20128.86.190.19.251.1336679105.squirrel@sqmail.gn.apc.org>



Hello forum members.

I am new to this list/topic, so please
bear with me.
I am having a clear out and have a 481Z which I haven't
used in years 
and so would like to sell.
There have been a
couple of problems with it: first the eject button 
wouldn't work, I
managed to fix this by following instructions I found 
on Scott's NAK
FAQ pages.
Now it plays fine but won't record. When I press the
record button, 
nothing happens, lamp doesn't light, input meters
don't move, nothing.
I have searched all the NAK archives but
couldn't find anything related.
Does anyone please have any ideas?
Unlike many on these pages I am no electronics wizard, so as an 
alternative, if there are any repairers (I am in UK Midlands) listening

or recommended, please shout.
Thanks in advance.
Graham
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Fri May 11 21:02:10 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 09:02:10 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] 481Z Record problem
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If absolutely nothing happens (including NO repositioning of the transport),
I would first suspect the REC switch itself.
If you know how to use a multi-meter (or know someone who does), it should
be fairly easy to check the switch.
It should go from an open circuit (infinite resistance) to a closed circuit
(0 reisistance) when the button is depressed.
 
Aloha,
Cheryl

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Graham Cameron
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:33 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 481Z Record problem


I am new to this list/topic, so please bear with me. I am having a

clear out and have a 481Z which I haven't used in years  and so would like

to sell. There have been a couple of problems with it: first the eject

button  wouldn't work, I managed to fix this by following instructions I

found  on Scott's NAK FAQ pages. Now it plays fine but won't record. When

I press the record button,  nothing happens, lamp doesn't light, input

meters don't move, nothing. I have searched all the NAK archives but

couldn't find anything related. Does anyone please have any ideas? Unlike

many on these pages I am no electronics wizard, so as an  alternative, if

there are any repairers (I am in UK Midlands) listening  or recommended,

please shout. Thanks in advance. Graham
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From adrian at mechner.net  Fri May 11 15:46:20 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 06:46:20 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 481Z Record problem
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Did you press rec and play simultaneously?

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Cameron
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:33 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 481Z Record problem

 

I am new to this list/topic, so please bear with me. I am having a
clear out and have a 481Z which I haven't used in years  and so would like
to sell. There have been a couple of problems with it: first the eject
button  wouldn't work, I managed to fix this by following instructions I
found  on Scott's NAK FAQ pages. Now it plays fine but won't record. When
I press the record button,  nothing happens, lamp doesn't light, input
meters don't move, nothing. I have searched all the NAK archives but
couldn't find anything related. Does anyone please have any ideas? Unlike
many on these pages I am no electronics wizard, so as an  alternative, if
there are any repairers (I am in UK Midlands) listening  or recommended,
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Fri May 11 15:52:17 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 07:52:17 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 481Z Record problem
References: <34678.147.89.224.77.1336645990.squirrel@sqmail.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <001001cd2f7d$48bfcfc0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

Graham did you push play/pause while holding down record ?? BTW how do you search the archives ??

Cheers,
Rainer
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Graham Cameron 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:33 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] 481Z Record problem


I am new to this list/topic, so please bear with me. I am having a
clear out and have a 481Z which I haven't used in years  and so would like
to sell. There have been a couple of problems with it: first the eject
button  wouldn't work, I managed to fix this by following instructions I
found  on Scott's NAK FAQ pages. Now it plays fine but won't record. When
I press the record button,  nothing happens, lamp doesn't light, input
meters don't move, nothing. I have searched all the NAK archives but
couldn't find anything related. Does anyone please have any ideas? Unlike
many on these pages I am no electronics wizard, so as an  alternative, if
there are any repairers (I am in UK Midlands) listening  or recommended,
please shout. Thanks in advance. Graham




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From fergus.cullen at gmail.com  Fri May 11 19:25:56 2012
From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 18:25:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550
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Thanks Scott



On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Winter Family <kslwinter at gmail.com> wrote:

> **
> Hi-
>
> My 2 cents...
>
> I think the big clue is you say that the noise is being picked up in all
> your recordings, so it's most likely not a purely mechanical issue.
>
> My first thought is a bad ground, as already suggested, which would cover
> the "humming/whirring/buzzing" sound you mentioned, but probably not a
> clicking
> sound mentioned later.
>
> The motor itself could be a suspect-I would remove the belt, and put the
> deck in play. If you hear the noise, grab the motor pulley and slow it
> down. The noise will probably change with speed and disappear when
> stopped. If so, it's the motor or a ground/circuit associated with it. If
> not, the mystery continues...
>
> Scott
>
> (Matt-Your deck is on the bench!)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Fergus Cullen <fergus.cullen at gmail.com>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:09 PM
> *Subject:* [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550
>
>  HI Dave. I opened it up, played it, had a good look and listen and
>> couldn't see anything touching off anything else. Flywheel looks fine. I'm
>> giving it to a guy I know who has repaired lots of analogue studio
>> equipment and reel to reel players to have a look at but if you have any
>> more suggestions please let me know. I would send it to the US for a
>> service but customs duty and postage would be a real problem.
>>
>> Anyway, thanks a lot for your help so far.
>>
>> Fergus
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Fergus Cullen <fergus.cullen at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Cheers Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:11 AM, gtsdave <gtsdave at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Seems like you would want to take the top cover off and listen for
>>>> the scrapping noise.  Most likely it is coming from the flywheel.
>>>>
>>>> I don’t have a 550, so speaking in generalities.  I have a 1000ZXL.  I
>>>> slowed down your audio clip and I could hear a scraping noise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> *From:* Fergus Cullen [mailto:fergus.cullen at gmail.com]
>>>>  *Sent:* Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:23 PM
>>>> *To:* gtsdave
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi again.
>>>>
>>>> If I wanted to have a look at this myself, where would be the best
>>>> place to open up the 550? From the bottom?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:11 AM, gtsdave <gtsdave at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It sounds to me that the clicking sound may be coming from the tape
>>>> counter wheel, the wheel that looks like a fan
>>>>
>>>> the interrupts a light sensor to detect tape motion, but I think you
>>>> would hear that in reverse and fast forward.
>>>>
>>>> In fast forward and rewind, the capstans are not engaged, so more
>>>> likely the noise is coming from the capstans, or the
>>>>
>>>> flywheels.  I am leaning towards the flywheel rubbing on something.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> *From:* Fergus Cullen [mailto:fergus.cullen at gmail.com]
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:17 PM
>>>> *To:* gtsdave
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, I did all that (de-mag and tightened things up a bit) but the
>>>> sound is still there.
>>>>
>>>> I've actually attached an mp3 of it that I recorded on my phone. It's a
>>>> whirring and ticking sound.
>>>>
>>>> I think the ticking is a recent development. Also I'm sure the sound is
>>>> coming directly from the transport.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess I'll need to get it serviced but I'd like to see if anyone has
>>>> any more suggestions first.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Fergus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Fergus Cullen <fergus.cullen at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Dave. Thanks a lot for your suggestions and sorry for the late
>>>> reply. I was away the last week or so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I haven't demagged for a while so I'll try that but it sounds more like
>>>> a mechanical problem, like something is under a little bit of stress or
>>>> strain. Plus the sound isn't there when I rewind or fast forward.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But anyway I'll have a tinker and let you know if there's an
>>>> improvement or not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best, Fergus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:19 AM, gtsdave <gtsdave at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Two things come to mind
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1) demagnetize the heads and tape path
>>>>
>>>> 2) tighten the screws that hold the circuit board to the chassis,
>>>> sounds like you might
>>>>
>>>> be getting ground hum.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> *From:* Fergus Cullen [mailto:fergus.cullen at gmail.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:40 PM
>>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>>> *Subject:* [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've been using my 550 for a few years now with no trouble at all.
>>>>
>>>> These days I'm noticing a very faint humming/whirring/buzzing sound
>>>> when it's playing or recording (basically whenever the play button is
>>>> engaged).
>>>>
>>>> It's not VERY noisy but it is being picked up on all of my recordings
>>>> over the last week or so .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fergus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Fergus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Fergus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Fergus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Fergus
>
>
>
>
>
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Fri May 11 22:52:50 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 13:52:50 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Low frequency roll off on some decks
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Hi All -

I though I might share an interesting one I have just run across.  Several
decks using one of the Sankyo transports have the playback head amp mounted
to the back of the transport mechanism.  The DR-1, DR-2, Cassette Deck 1,
Cassette Deck 1.5 -- maybe some others.  In the last couple of months I
have run across three of these decks which, after complete mechanical
repair and calibration, showed a frequency response like this:

[image: Inline image 1]

Note that the left channel is slightly raised at 20Hz - that slight boost
is normal for most Nakamichi decks.  The right channel is 8dB down at 20Hz.
 The other two with similar problems had even more pronounced low end
roll-offs on one channel.  (BTW - the double vertical lines are 100Hz, 1kHz
and 10kHz, the cursor is on the 20Hz line).

After some circuit tracing I found that C206 (L or R) had begun to fail.
 Replacing both of them on this deck yielded this result:

[image: Inline image 2]

You can see that both exhibit that slight rise and the very bottom end
which is characteristic of Naks.  When I looked more closely at the circuit
board I could see discoloration from excessive heat on one or the other
side, probably due to Q203 running too hot once the cap began to fail.
 It's an easy check since that board has to come off to replace the capstan
belt and clean the capstan bearings.  I am now replacing both of those caps
as a matter of course if there's any discoloration on the board.

This was a tough one to notice since from 100Hz up the deck works just
fine.  There are probably lots of these decks out there with this problem -
the owners simply thinking that the sound the deck produces is "a little
thin".  I first noticed it because the image in the lower ranges got really
poorly defined on some music.  If you are using one of these decks, pull
the top cover off and take a look at the circuit board on the back of the
transport mechanism.  To the far left as you face the front of the deck
you'll see a white connector with capacitors both above and below it.
 Those are the two caps in question - check to see if the circuit board is
darkened between those caps and the closest transistors.  If so, take a
listen to the deck, replace those caps, then listen again and see if you
hear the difference in the low end.  They are 220uf @ 6.3v caps and quite
small but there's enough room on the board and behind to take a somewhat
larger cap.  I've been replacing them with 220uf @ 50v caps which fit fine.

Happy listening!
Willy
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Sat May 12 08:22:38 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (bg3009 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 16:22:38 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Low frequency roll off on some decks
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Hi Willy,

This is a common problem as the playback amp design was not very well executed on these decks. I bought a DR10 new when they came out about 10 yeas ago and they sounded lean with a poor bottom end. We ended up replacing the playback amps at the back with a custom design with a much wider band and flatter response. The heads on these decks are impressive with very good frequency and phase response. I would recommend you tweak the decks further and it would surprise you how much these decks can deliver. 

I send you a congratulatory email when you did the direct drive conversion on a customer's ZXL, but I've never got a reply from you until today. I hope we have a good mutual understanding of each other free from other people's opinions. 

Cheers!
Bala

Sent from Bala's iPad

On 12/05/2012, at 6:52 AM, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:

> Hi All -
> 
> I though I might share an interesting one I have just run across.  Several decks using one of the Sankyo transports have the playback head amp mounted to the back of the transport mechanism.  The DR-1, DR-2, Cassette Deck 1, Cassette Deck 1.5 -- maybe some others.  In the last couple of months I have run across three of these decks which, after complete mechanical repair and calibration, showed a frequency response like this:
> 
> <DR-2 03858a.JPG>
> 
> Note that the left channel is slightly raised at 20Hz - that slight boost is normal for most Nakamichi decks.  The right channel is 8dB down at 20Hz.  The other two with similar problems had even more pronounced low end roll-offs on one channel.  (BTW - the double vertical lines are 100Hz, 1kHz and 10kHz, the cursor is on the 20Hz line).
> 
> After some circuit tracing I found that C206 (L or R) had begun to fail.  Replacing both of them on this deck yielded this result:
> 
> <DR-2 03858b.JPG> 
> 
> You can see that both exhibit that slight rise and the very bottom end which is characteristic of Naks.  When I looked more closely at the circuit board I could see discoloration from excessive heat on one or the other side, probably due to Q203 running too hot once the cap began to fail.  It's an easy check since that board has to come off to replace the capstan belt and clean the capstan bearings.  I am now replacing both of those caps as a matter of course if there's any discoloration on the board.
> 
> This was a tough one to notice since from 100Hz up the deck works just fine.  There are probably lots of these decks out there with this problem - the owners simply thinking that the sound the deck produces is "a little thin".  I first noticed it because the image in the lower ranges got really poorly defined on some music.  If you are using one of these decks, pull the top cover off and take a look at the circuit board on the back of the transport mechanism.  To the far left as you face the front of the deck you'll see a white connector with capacitors both above and below it.  Those are the two caps in question - check to see if the circuit board is darkened between those caps and the closest transistors.  If so, take a listen to the deck, replace those caps, then listen again and see if you hear the difference in the low end.  They are 220uf @ 6.3v caps and quite small but there's enough room on the board and behind to take a somewhat larger cap.  I've been replacing them with 220uf @ 50v caps which fit fine. 
> 
> Happy listening!
> Willy
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From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com  Sat May 12 04:23:59 2012
From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 19:23:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 481Z Record problem
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You might have to replace the two .0047uf capacitors in the bias circuit.   Thomas

--- On Thu, 5/10/12, Graham Cameron <graham.cameron at rockside.co.uk> wrote:


From: Graham Cameron <graham.cameron at rockside.co.uk>
Subject: [naktalk] 481Z Record problem
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Thursday, May 10, 2012, 3:45 PM


Hello forum members.

I am new to this list/topic, so please bear with me.
I am having a clear out and have a 481Z which I haven't used in years 
and so would like to sell.
There have been a couple of problems with it: first the eject button 
wouldn't work, I managed to fix this by following instructions I found 
on Scott's NAK FAQ pages.
Now it plays fine but won't record. When I press the record button, 
nothing happens, lamp doesn't light, input meters don't move, nothing.
I have searched all the NAK archives but couldn't find anything related.
Does anyone please have any ideas?
Unlike many on these pages I am no electronics wizard, so as an 
alternative, if there are any repairers (I am in UK Midlands) listening 
or recommended, please shout.
Thanks in advance.
Graham
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From fergus.cullen at gmail.com  Sat May 12 14:24:33 2012
From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:24:33 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550
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Does anyone in Europe service 550s?



On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Fergus Cullen <fergus.cullen at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks Scott
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Winter Family <kslwinter at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> **
>> Hi-
>>
>> My 2 cents...
>>
>> I think the big clue is you say that the noise is being picked up in all
>> your recordings, so it's most likely not a purely mechanical issue.
>>
>> My first thought is a bad ground, as already suggested, which would cover
>> the "humming/whirring/buzzing" sound you mentioned, but probably not a
>> clicking
>> sound mentioned later.
>>
>> The motor itself could be a suspect-I would remove the belt, and put the
>> deck in play. If you hear the noise, grab the motor pulley and slow it
>> down. The noise will probably change with speed and disappear when
>> stopped. If so, it's the motor or a ground/circuit associated with it. If
>> not, the mystery continues...
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> (Matt-Your deck is on the bench!)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> *From:* Fergus Cullen <fergus.cullen at gmail.com>
>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:09 PM
>> *Subject:* [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550
>>
>>  HI Dave. I opened it up, played it, had a good look and listen and
>>> couldn't see anything touching off anything else. Flywheel looks fine. I'm
>>> giving it to a guy I know who has repaired lots of analogue studio
>>> equipment and reel to reel players to have a look at but if you have any
>>> more suggestions please let me know. I would send it to the US for a
>>> service but customs duty and postage would be a real problem.
>>>
>>> Anyway, thanks a lot for your help so far.
>>>
>>> Fergus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Fergus Cullen <fergus.cullen at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cheers Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:11 AM, gtsdave <gtsdave at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Seems like you would want to take the top cover off and listen for
>>>>> the scrapping noise.  Most likely it is coming from the flywheel.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don’t have a 550, so speaking in generalities.  I have a 1000ZXL.  I
>>>>> slowed down your audio clip and I could hear a scraping noise.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> *From:* Fergus Cullen [mailto:fergus.cullen at gmail.com]
>>>>>  *Sent:* Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:23 PM
>>>>> *To:* gtsdave
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi again.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I wanted to have a look at this myself, where would be the best
>>>>> place to open up the 550? From the bottom?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:11 AM, gtsdave <gtsdave at bellsouth.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounds to me that the clicking sound may be coming from the tape
>>>>> counter wheel, the wheel that looks like a fan
>>>>>
>>>>> the interrupts a light sensor to detect tape motion, but I think you
>>>>> would hear that in reverse and fast forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fast forward and rewind, the capstans are not engaged, so more
>>>>> likely the noise is coming from the capstans, or the
>>>>>
>>>>> flywheels.  I am leaning towards the flywheel rubbing on something.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> *From:* Fergus Cullen [mailto:fergus.cullen at gmail.com]
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:17 PM
>>>>> *To:* gtsdave
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I did all that (de-mag and tightened things up a bit) but the
>>>>> sound is still there.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've actually attached an mp3 of it that I recorded on my phone. It's
>>>>> a whirring and ticking sound.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the ticking is a recent development. Also I'm sure the sound
>>>>> is coming directly from the transport.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess I'll need to get it serviced but I'd like to see if anyone has
>>>>> any more suggestions first.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Fergus
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Fergus Cullen <
>>>>> fergus.cullen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Dave. Thanks a lot for your suggestions and sorry for the late
>>>>> reply. I was away the last week or so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't demagged for a while so I'll try that but it sounds more
>>>>> like a mechanical problem, like something is under a little bit of stress
>>>>> or strain. Plus the sound isn't there when I rewind or fast forward.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But anyway I'll have a tinker and let you know if there's an
>>>>> improvement or not.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best, Fergus
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:19 AM, gtsdave <gtsdave at bellsouth.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Two things come to mind
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) demagnetize the heads and tape path
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) tighten the screws that hold the circuit board to the chassis,
>>>>> sounds like you might
>>>>>
>>>>> be getting ground hum.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> *From:* Fergus Cullen [mailto:fergus.cullen at gmail.com]
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:40 PM
>>>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>>>> *Subject:* [naktalk] Faint noise from Nak 550
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been using my 550 for a few years now with no trouble at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> These days I'm noticing a very faint humming/whirring/buzzing sound
>>>>> when it's playing or recording (basically whenever the play button is
>>>>> engaged).
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not VERY noisy but it is being picked up on all of my recordings
>>>>> over the last week or so .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fergus
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Fergus
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Sat May 12 15:07:24 2012
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 06:07:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Low frequency roll off on some decks
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8McFdDL7qRsXjdGDv5Ujzy+bict7DyOhFwvvxQctJYv+_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1336828044.61127.YahooMailClassic@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Nice Willy - 
fantastic observation  and very useful post in last couple years. 
 Nak 3 heads whatever the transports are-, they are remarkable machines capable of fantastic response 
good that you are working on Naks as there are very few techies working on these decks now
kannan


--- On Fri, 5/11/12, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:


From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Low frequency roll off on some decks
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Friday, May 11, 2012, 4:52 PM


Hi All -



I though I might share an interesting one I have just run across.  Several decks using one of the Sankyo transports have the playback head amp mounted to the back of the transport mechanism.  The DR-1, DR-2, Cassette Deck 1, Cassette Deck 1.5 -- maybe some others.  In the last couple of months I have run across three of these decks which, after complete mechanical repair and calibration, showed a frequency response like this:






Note that the left channel is slightly raised at 20Hz - that slight boost is normal for most Nakamichi decks.  The right channel is 8dB down at 20Hz.  The other two with similar problems had even more pronounced low end roll-offs on one channel.  (BTW - the double vertical lines are 100Hz, 1kHz and 10kHz, the cursor is on the 20Hz line).


After some circuit tracing I found that C206 (L or R) had begun to fail.  Replacing both of them on this deck yielded this result:


 


You can see that both exhibit that slight rise and the very bottom end which is characteristic of Naks.  When I looked more closely at the circuit board I could see discoloration from excessive heat on one or the other side, probably due to Q203 running too hot once the cap began to fail.  It's an easy check since that board has to come off to replace the capstan belt and clean the capstan bearings.  I am now replacing both of those caps as a matter of course if there's any discoloration on the board.


This was a tough one to notice since from 100Hz up the deck works just fine.  There are probably lots of these decks out there with this problem - the owners simply thinking that the sound the deck produces is "a little thin".  I first noticed it because the image in the lower ranges got really poorly defined on some music.  If you are using one of these decks, pull the top cover off and take a look at the circuit board on the back of the transport mechanism.  To the far left as you face the front of the deck you'll see a white connector with capacitors both above and below it.  Those are the two caps in question - check to see if the circuit board is darkened between those caps and the closest transistors.  If so, take a listen to the deck, replace those caps, then listen again and see if you hear the difference in the low end.  They are 220uf @ 6.3v caps and quite small but there's enough room on the board and behind to take a somewhat larger
 cap.  I've been replacing them with 220uf @ 50v caps which fit fine. 


Happy listening!
Willy
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From luyingdai at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 11:57:56 2012
From: luyingdai at yahoo.com (Ying Dai Lu)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 02:57:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Tire Change for RX505 problem encountered with " TIMING "
Message-ID: <1336989476.13984.YahooMailNeo@web111716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Perry,
 
Spent another full dau fixing the TIRE and 2 belts and eventually when we completed,
we encountered this thing call " TIMING"
 
You see when we started the cassette well was in open position to start opening from the first step.
 
After putting back everything we found that the cassette well cannot close because the cassette was higher the the door frame. Then the old technician realised it is the " TIMING " problem and he rolled the capstan spindle with the long belt. and the HEADS were raised. 
 
But when he switched on the HEADS came down again.
 
As we were exhausted have sent time from morning 9.30 to afternoon 4 pm we abandoned it. The old technician said he will think over it and he thinks that adjustung the height of the HEADS and low of the HEADS  to their extreme and gradually correct will enable the timing to be set.
 
Any idea on this please.
 
By the way this RX505 hase One TIRE and TWO BELTS right ?
 
Thank you.
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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 19:20:39 2012
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 10:20:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Low frequency roll off on some decks
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8McFdDL7qRsXjdGDv5Ujzy+bict7DyOhFwvvxQctJYv+_g@mail.gmail.com>
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Willy, Great write up!  Thank you.  I happen to have a CD-1 and a 1.5.Bob N

--- On Fri, 5/11/12, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:

From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Low frequency roll off on some decks
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Friday, May 11, 2012, 1:52 PM

Hi All -
I though I might share an interesting one I have just run across.  Several decks using one of the Sankyo transports have the playback head amp mounted to the back of the transport mechanism.  The DR-1, DR-2, Cassette Deck 1, Cassette Deck 1.5 -- maybe some others.  In the last couple of months I have run across three of these decks which, after complete mechanical repair and calibration, showed a frequency response like this:



Note that the left channel is slightly raised at 20Hz - that slight boost is normal for most Nakamichi decks.  The right channel is 8dB down at 20Hz.  The other two with similar problems had even more pronounced low end roll-offs on one channel.  (BTW - the double vertical lines are 100Hz, 1kHz and 10kHz, the cursor is on the 20Hz line).

After some circuit tracing I found that C206 (L or R) had begun to fail.  Replacing both of them on this deck yielded this result:
 

You can see that both exhibit that slight rise and the very bottom end which is characteristic of Naks.  When I looked more closely at the circuit board I could see discoloration from excessive heat on one or the other side, probably due to Q203 running too hot once the cap began to fail.  It's an easy check since that board has to come off to replace the capstan belt and clean the capstan bearings.  I am now replacing both of those caps as a matter of course if there's any discoloration on the board.

This was a tough one to notice since from 100Hz up the deck works just fine.  There are probably lots of these decks out there with this problem - the owners simply thinking that the sound the deck produces is "a little thin".  I first noticed it because the image in the lower ranges got really poorly defined on some music.  If you are using one of these decks, pull the top cover off and take a look at the circuit board on the back of the transport mechanism.  To the far left as you face the front of the deck you'll see a white connector with capacitors both above and below it.  Those are the two caps in question - check to see if the circuit board is darkened between those caps and the closest transistors.  If so, take a listen to the deck, replace those caps, then listen again and see if you hear the difference in the low end.  They are 220uf @ 6.3v caps and quite small but there's enough room on the board and behind to take a somewhat larger
 cap.  I've been replacing them with 220uf @ 50v caps which fit fine. 

Happy listening!Willy

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From fsclaol at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 20:00:33 2012
From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 11:00:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] No Pad. Pad Lifting, Damage? 
Message-ID: <1337018433.40846.YahooMailNeo@web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

As some of my oldest cassettes have lost their pads, is there any danger in playing these tapes on Nakamichis?  Should I just remove the metal spring? or find some other pads and glue them back?
 
PS Wouter, did you get DR-8, 10 instruction manual scans along with brochure?

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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Mon May 14 21:10:49 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 09:10:49 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Tire Change for RX505 problem encountered with " TIMING
	"
In-Reply-To: <1336989476.13984.YahooMailNeo@web111716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Does the RX505 have the classic transport? 
 
If so and if you opened the transport to replace the tire, my guess would be
that you got the cam motor in the wrong position where it engages with the
cam.
 
Aloha,
Cheryl

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Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 11:58 PM
To: naks.com naktalk
Cc: mailman at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Tire Change for RX505 problem encountered with " TIMING "


Hi Perry,
 
Spent another full dau fixing the TIRE and 2 belts and eventually when we
completed,
we encountered this thing call " TIMING"
 
You see when we started the cassette well was in open position to start
opening from the first step.
 
After putting back everything we found that the cassette well cannot close
because the cassette was higher the the door frame. Then the old technician
realised it is the " TIMING " problem and he rolled the capstan spindle with
the long belt. and the HEADS were raised. 
 
But when he switched on the HEADS came down again.
 
As we were exhausted have sent time from morning 9.30 to afternoon 4 pm we
abandoned it. The old technician said he will think over it and he thinks
that adjustung the height of the HEADS and low of the HEADS  to their
extreme and gradually correct will enable the timing to be set.
 
Any idea on this please.
 
By the way this RX505 hase One TIRE and TWO BELTS right ?
 
Thank you.
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Tue May 15 02:07:25 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:07:25 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] No Pad. Pad Lifting, Damage? 
References: <1337018433.40846.YahooMailNeo@web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002d01cd322e$b66550f0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

Fred, I pull the pad and spring on all my tapes as some of my decks don't have lifters and my main playback deck (TD-700 in van) doesn't use one. Don't know why nak didn't put a lifter on the TD-700 ??  Just make sure the tape is all the way to one end so that your just messing with the leader and use a stiff wire hook to pull one end and a pliers (or fingers) to pull the rest out. 

Cheers,
Rainer 



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  To: Nakamichitechtalk 
  Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 12:00 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] No Pad. Pad Lifting, Damage? 


  As some of my oldest cassettes have lost their pads, is there any danger in playing these tapes on Nakamichis?  Should I just remove the metal spring? or find some other pads and glue them back?

  PS Wouter, did you get DR-8, 10 instruction manual scans along with brochure?


  Fred in CT









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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Tue May 15 02:11:57 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:11:57 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Tire Change for RX505 problem encountered with " TIMING
	"
References: <1336989476.13984.YahooMailNeo@web111716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004401cd322f$58b01980$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

I would make sure the connecotors for the control cam motor and the control pot are plugged in.  If everything is connected and assembled correctly the deck will time itself when you first turn it on.  

Rainer

P.S, you might want to check the ground plate for the control motor has ground as well

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  Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 3:57 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Tire Change for RX505 problem encountered with " TIMING "


  Hi Perry,

  Spent another full dau fixing the TIRE and 2 belts and eventually when we completed,
  we encountered this thing call " TIMING"

  You see when we started the cassette well was in open position to start opening from the first step.

  After putting back everything we found that the cassette well cannot close because the cassette was higher the the door frame. Then the old technician realised it is the " TIMING " problem and he rolled the capstan spindle with the long belt. and the HEADS were raised. 

  But when he switched on the HEADS came down again.

  As we were exhausted have sent time from morning 9.30 to afternoon 4 pm we abandoned it. The old technician said he will think over it and he thinks that adjustung the height of the HEADS and low of the HEADS  to their extreme and gradually correct will enable the timing to be set.

  Any idea on this please.

  By the way this RX505 hase One TIRE and TWO BELTS right ?

  Thank you.





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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Tue May 15 14:52:22 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 08:52:22 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Tire change for RX505 timing problem
Message-ID: <rt6fb25mfjobfn8qbwhcy3mi.1337086342383@email.android.com>

Cheryl beat me to it. I wonder how she figured that out so fast....;-)

Yes, on the transport for a 505/303 there is only the cam belt, capstan belt and idler tire. But they make up for it with the extra belts in the flip mechanism. It is one of the reasons that many 505s have much lower than expected W&F, with no counter belt to add to the friction mix.




Sent from my NOOK



From perry.nak at comcast.net  Tue May 15 14:56:26 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 08:56:26 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re:RX505 timing
Message-ID: <63jsu8y6q8yg61nd6h1ti7lp.1337086586344@email.android.com>

I sent you a more detailed email, and yes, before you ask,in order to position the pot fork correctly over the right inner part of the cam, you have to take the whole thing apart again.





Sent from my NOOK



From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Tue May 15 20:40:50 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 08:40:50 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Tire change for RX505 timing problem
In-Reply-To: <rt6fb25mfjobfn8qbwhcy3mi.1337086342383@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1576C07D2260E20EEF79F63861B0@phx.gbl>


:-) Experience is the best teacher...

Aloha,
Cheryl 

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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Perry.nak
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:52 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Tire change for RX505 timing problem

Cheryl beat me to it. I wonder how she figured that out so fast....;-)

Yes, on the transport for a 505/303 there is only the cam belt, capstan belt
and idler tire. But they make up for it with the extra belts in the flip
mechanism. It is one of the reasons that many 505s have much lower than
expected W&F, with no counter belt to add to the friction mix.




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From josephjean at verizon.net  Wed May 16 14:29:36 2012
From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 08:29:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon tune up
Message-ID: <0M4400EZB819J990@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>

I live 35 miles out of Boston.

I've owned my Dragon for about 4 years and functions 
perfectly.  Calibration works on all three tape types, auto-reverse 
works, etc,...

In other words, it doesn't skip a beat.

However, I don't believe the cover has ever been off and maybe it's 
time for a calibration.

I believe it was recommended to me that Cambridge Audio has the 
necessary equipment to properly align and calibrate my deck.

What would be a range or cost should I expect to pay?

Also, while the cover is off, should I just move ahead and have the 
orange caps replaced?

Roland

When momentum meets resistance, push harder. 



From adrian at mechner.net  Wed May 16 01:38:19 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 16:38:19 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Listing for 680Zx
Message-ID: <000001cd32f3$cf2e6b60$6d8b4220$@net>

Hi all,

 

This is the listing to my 680Zx, I told you I intend to sell.

Only reason to let you know about it is that if anyone wants it I will
discount the Epay fee if sold here.

Have a great evening,

Adrian

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280882207092&ssPageName=
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From luyingdai at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 03:59:25 2012
From: luyingdai at yahoo.com (Ying Dai Lu)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 18:59:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re:RX505 timing
In-Reply-To: <63jsu8y6q8yg61nd6h1ti7lp.1337086586344@email.android.com>
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Good Lord !
 
We are around 70's. 
How many "Springs" do we have ??       LOL
 
When you send detailed email will you be kind and able to pin-point    :    ( 1 )   "pot fork"   and   
 ( 2 )"right inner part of cam "
 
Thank you so much.
 
As I will be taking a vacation break we will restart our "adventure" next month.
 
Thanks everybody for chipping in.
 
Its a joy to be in this "jurassic" audio fraternity.
 
Cheers.
 

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 From: Perry.nak <perry.nak at comcast.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 8:56 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re:RX505 timing
  
I sent you a more detailed email, and yes, before you ask,in order to position the pot fork correctly over the right inner part of the cam, you have to take the whole thing apart again.





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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Thu May 17 05:53:06 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 17:53:06 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re:RX505 timing
In-Reply-To: <1337133565.59528.YahooMailNeo@web111710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Since you mentioned that you rotated the cam manually, I assume you know
what the cam is. The cam motor is the motor that drives the cam.
 
If you peer down through the top of the assembled transport, you can see the
cam motor and its spindle, and you can see that the spindle engages the cam.
 
Where the cam motor spindle engages the cam it has a "fork" on the end of
it. The fork MUST engage in the proper spot in the cam.
 
Pictures would help but I don't have a transport out of any of my decks.
Sorry. Does anyone else of a picture of the cam and its slots?
 
In Perry's instructions he mentions this alignment issue near the end of the
instructions -- it is the "gotcha".
 
Aloha,
Cheryl

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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Ying Dai Lu
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:59 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:RX505 timing


Good Lord !
 
We are around 70's. 
How many "Springs" do we have ??       LOL
 
When you send detailed email will you be kind and able to pin-point    :
( 1 )   "pot fork"   and   
 ( 2 )"right inner part of cam "
 
Thank you so much.
 
As I will be taking a vacation break we will restart our "adventure" next
month.
 
Thanks everybody for chipping in.
 
Its a joy to be in this "jurassic" audio fraternity.
 
Cheers.

From: Perry.nak <perry.nak at comcast.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 8:56 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re:RX505 timing


I sent you a more detailed email, and yes, before you ask,in order to
position the pot fork correctly over the right inner part of the cam, you
have to take the whole thing apart again.





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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Wed May 16 15:36:30 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 07:36:30 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Listing for 680Zx
References: <000001cd32f3$cf2e6b60$6d8b4220$@net>
Message-ID: <001b01cd3368$e7a1d310$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

If you listed it then you should let the listing run it's course, that is how an auction is supposed to work (as far as I know). I have had sellers pull stuff out that I was bidding on and it drives me nuts. That's my opinion anyway.

Rainer S.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adrian Mechner 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 5:38 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Listing for 680Zx


  Hi all,

   

  This is the listing to my 680Zx, I told you I intend to sell.

  Only reason to let you know about it is that if anyone wants it I will discount the Epay fee if sold here.

  Have a great evening,

  Adrian

  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280882207092&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123

   






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From adrian at mechner.net  Wed May 16 16:48:06 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 07:48:06 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon tune up
In-Reply-To: <0M4400EZB819J990@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0M4400EZB819J990@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <001e01cd3372$e79fcbb0$b6df6310$@net>

Roland,
You're not sure IF you need a tune up, is this right?
I would purchase a test tape (eventually from GenLab) or ask someone with a
perfect aligned and calibrated deck to make you one. See where your readings
are. Do some standard recordings from a tone generator and this will tell
you if you need any work to be done.
I am one of those who believes that a deck in its original condition is
better than an "improved" one. I also believe that a Nakamichi sounds like a
Nakamichi ONLY with its original parts which includes the orange caps too. I
also believe that this is the only reason why Willy replaced in one of my
decks only two failing orange caps instead of having all of them replaced.
A reliable tone generator can be found here:
http://onlinetonegenerator.com/

Good luck,
Adrian

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of goodguy
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 5:30 AM
To: Nakamichi tapedecks
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon tune up

I live 35 miles out of Boston.

I've owned my Dragon for about 4 years and functions 
perfectly.  Calibration works on all three tape types, auto-reverse 
works, etc,...

In other words, it doesn't skip a beat.

However, I don't believe the cover has ever been off and maybe it's 
time for a calibration.

I believe it was recommended to me that Cambridge Audio has the 
necessary equipment to properly align and calibrate my deck.

What would be a range or cost should I expect to pay?

Also, while the cover is off, should I just move ahead and have the 
orange caps replaced?

Roland

When momentum meets resistance, push harder. 

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From pbtanner at hotmail.com  Wed May 16 18:42:45 2012
From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:42:45 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
Message-ID: <SNT127-W27EB6504703AF0E0CD20BBDF180@phx.gbl>


Hi everybody,

I have a 482Z and it apparently doesn't record. Used to belong to a friend. Two capacitors on the bias oscillator board has been changed but nothing else. Everything seems normal, record light comes on, in the source mode the signal is there but in the tape mode it doesn't record nor erase. It plays just fine and all functions work otherwise. If anyone has an idea please let me know.

Thanks

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From fergus.cullen at gmail.com  Thu May 17 12:18:30 2012
From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 11:18:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Listing for 680Zx
In-Reply-To: <001b01cd3368$e7a1d310$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>
References: <000001cd32f3$cf2e6b60$6d8b4220$@net>
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I think he means one of us might just happen to win the auction.
On May 17, 2012 10:23 AM, "Rainer & Joy-Ell" <joyell.solie at sasktel.net>
wrote:

> **
> If you listed it then you should let the listing run it's course, that is
> how an auction is supposed to work (as far as I know). I have had sellers
> pull stuff out that I was bidding on and it drives me nuts. That's my
> opinion anyway.
>
> Rainer S.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
> *To:* naktalk at naks.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2012 5:38 PM
> *Subject:* [naktalk] Listing for 680Zx
>
>  Hi all,****
>
> ** **
>
> This is the listing to my 680Zx, I told you I intend to sell.****
>
> Only reason to let you know about it is that if anyone wants it I will
> discount the Epay fee if sold here.****
>
> Have a great evening,****
>
> Adrian****
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280882207092&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123
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From josephjean at verizon.net  Thu May 17 14:12:34 2012
From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 08:12:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon tune up
In-Reply-To: <001e01cd3372$e79fcbb0$b6df6310$@net>
References: <0M4400EZB819J990@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
	<001e01cd3372$e79fcbb0$b6df6310$@net>
Message-ID: <0M46002WI1WW4D30@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>

Thanks Adrian.

Yes, because it's probably been since new that it has seen a 
calibration, I thought maybe this might qualify the deck for a calibration.

I've no equipment to do any test although I worked as an automation 
engineer for 26 years so using equipment isn't a problem.

What I would never have in my possession are alignment gages etc,...

Sounds like my deck really is operating properly because I can 
calibration on all three tape type settings and the NAAC works in 
both directions.

Thanks!

At 10:48 AM 5/16/2012, you wrote:
>Roland,
>You're not sure IF you need a tune up, is this right?
>I would purchase a test tape (eventually from GenLab) or ask someone with a
>perfect aligned and calibrated deck to make you one. See where your readings
>are. Do some standard recordings from a tone generator and this will tell
>you if you need any work to be done.
>I am one of those who believes that a deck in its original condition is
>better than an "improved" one. I also believe that a Nakamichi sounds like a
>Nakamichi ONLY with its original parts which includes the orange caps too. I
>also believe that this is the only reason why Willy replaced in one of my
>decks only two failing orange caps instead of having all of them replaced.
>A reliable tone generator can be found here:
>http://onlinetonegenerator.com/
>
>Good luck,
>Adrian
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
>Of goodguy
>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 5:30 AM
>To: Nakamichi tapedecks
>Subject: [naktalk] Dragon tune up
>
>I live 35 miles out of Boston.
>
>I've owned my Dragon for about 4 years and functions
>perfectly.  Calibration works on all three tape types, auto-reverse
>works, etc,...
>
>In other words, it doesn't skip a beat.
>
>However, I don't believe the cover has ever been off and maybe it's
>time for a calibration.
>
>I believe it was recommended to me that Cambridge Audio has the
>necessary equipment to properly align and calibrate my deck.
>
>What would be a range or cost should I expect to pay?
>
>Also, while the cover is off, should I just move ahead and have the
>orange caps replaced?
>
>Roland
>
>When momentum meets resistance, push harder.
>
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu May 17 15:07:20 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 06:07:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W27EB6504703AF0E0CD20BBDF180@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT127-W27EB6504703AF0E0CD20BBDF180@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1337260040.97505.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



If the deck erases in REC mode, then the bias oscillator is probably OK. That said, 

it makes sense to check whether the bias actually makes it to the head. 


Apart from that, diagnosing such a general fault requires some troubleshooting. 

If you have a signal tracer or a 'scope handy, determine whether the signal gets 

to the REC head and, if not, exactly where in the signal path it gets lost. 

Assuming the meters do indicate a signal present. If so, there is little circuitry 

from the meters to the head.

If both bias and signal are present at the head terminals, suspect the head itself.

-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>
>To: naktalk naktalk <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:42 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
> 
>
> 
>Hi everybody,
>
>I have a 482Z and it apparently doesn't record.Used to belong to a friend. Two capacitors on the bias oscillator board has been changed but nothing else. Everything seems normal, record light comes on, in the source mode the signal is there but in the tape mode it doesn't record nor erase. It plays just fine and all functions work otherwise. If anyone has an idea please let me know.
>
>Thanks
>
>Peter
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat May 19 20:05:04 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 11:05:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W1511061A8958D3BB0B4EE0DF1E0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT127-W27EB6504703AF0E0CD20BBDF180@phx.gbl>,
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	<SNT127-W1511061A8958D3BB0B4EE0DF1E0@phx.gbl>
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In that case, the bias oscillator is obviously the prime suspect. 





>________________________________
> From: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>
>To: ronami at yahoo.com 
>Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 5:01 PM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] 482Z
> 
>
> 
>The deck does not erase in record mode. The record light comes on but the recording on the tape can be heard as if instead of erasing it it was playing it back. No erasure at all.
>
>Thanks for the info though
>
>Peter
>
>
>
>________________________________
>Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 06:07:20 -0700
>From: ronami at yahoo.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482Z
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>
>
>
>
>If the deck erases in REC mode, then the bias oscillator is probably OK. That said, 
>
>it makes sense to check whether the bias actually makes it to the head. 
>
>
>
>Apart from that, diagnosing such a general fault requires some troubleshooting. 
>
>If you have a signal tracer or a 'scope handy, determine whether the signal gets 
>
>to the REC head and, if not, exactly where in the signal path it gets lost. 
>
>Assuming the meters do indicate a signal present. If so, there is little circuitry 
>
>from the meters to the head.
>
>
>If both bias and signal are present at the head terminals, suspect the head itself.
>
>
>-- Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>
>>To: naktalk naktalk <naktalk at naks.com> 
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:42 PM
>>Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
>> 
>>
>> 
>>Hi everybody,
>>
>>I have a 482Z and it apparently doesn't record.Used to belong to a friend. Two capacitors on the bias oscillator board has been changed but nothing else. Everything seems normal, record light comes on, in the source mode the signal is there but in the tape mode it doesn't record nor erase. It plays just fine and all functions work otherwise. If anyone has an idea please let me know.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Peter
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sun May 20 15:18:51 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 06:18:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W460F3ABBFD0312DA4F8130DF1F0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT127-W27EB6504703AF0E0CD20BBDF180@phx.gbl>, ,
	<1337260040.97505.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<SNT127-W1511061A8958D3BB0B4EE0DF1E0@phx.gbl>,
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Start by verifying actual demise of the oscillator. Using a 'scope, view 

the output in REC mode. 


Then... Brand new caps have been known to be bad. Of course, I would 

check the new caps before replacing them again, as well as the third cap 

(regardless of its color). Check your handiwork, too. The next suspect is 

the transformer. There could be several other causes, such as failure in 

the power pass circuit. 

As you can see, you can't do much without proper equipment, not to 

mention, knowledge of its application. At least, a good multimeter 

(DMM or VTVM), 'scope and capacitance meter.

Good luck,

-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>
>To: ronami at yahoo.com 
>Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 4:18 PM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] 482Z
> 
>
> 
>So how would I proceed? The two orange caps have been replaced. Anything else?
>
>Thanks
>
>Peter
>
>
>
>________________________________
>Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 11:05:04 -0700
>From: ronami at yahoo.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482Z
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>
>
>
>
>In that case, the bias oscillator is obviously the prime suspect. 
>
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>
>>To: ronami at yahoo.com 
>>Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 5:01 PM
>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] 482Z
>> 
>>
>> 
>>The deck does not erase in record mode. The record light comes on but the recording on the tape can be heard as if instead of erasing it it was playing it back. No erasure at all.
>>
>>Thanks for the info though
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 06:07:20 -0700
>>From: ronami at yahoo.com
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482Z
>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>If the deck erases in REC mode, then the bias oscillator is probably OK. That said, 
>>
>>it makes sense to check whether the bias actually makes it to the head. 
>>
>>
>>
>>Apart from that, diagnosing such a general fault requires some troubleshooting. 
>>
>>If you have a signal tracer or a 'scope handy, determine whether the signal gets 
>>
>>to the REC head and, if not, exactly where in the signal path it gets lost. 
>>
>>Assuming the meters do indicate a signal present. If so, there is little circuitry 
>>
>>from the meters to the head.
>>
>>
>>If both bias and signal are present at the head terminals, suspect the head itself.
>>
>>
>>-- Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>
>>>To: naktalk naktalk <naktalk at naks.com> 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:42 PM
>>>Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>Hi everybody,
>>>
>>>I have a 482Z and it apparently doesn't record.Used to belong to a friend. Two capacitors on the bias oscillator board has been changed but nothing else. Everything seems normal, record light comes on, in the source mode the signal is there but in the tape mode it doesn't record nor erase. It plays just fine and all functions work otherwise. If anyone has an idea please let me know.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Peter
>>> 
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From jphscott at mac.com  Sun May 20 15:39:12 2012
From: jphscott at mac.com (Scotts at Hollybush)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 14:39:12 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DAT
In-Reply-To: <1331310760.97835.YahooMailRC@web83801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <1330751738.59352.YahooMailRC@web83815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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Hi, I wondered if you had managed to dig out the manuals yet?  Or even make a decision on what you are going to do with this kit?


On 9 Mar 2012, at 16:32, Michael Marshall wrote:

> I'm sorry to be late in replying.  This landed in my spam box where a couple of other responses didn't.  There was only one model of each of these, a digital processor shared by a CD transport and a DAT transport, all with (I think) 1000 as the model number.  I haven't seen them in years and don't know if they work.  I was just putting out a feeler to see if there was interest.  They are in storage an hour from me.  I am not selling them.  They belong to a former customer who would set the sell price.  If you are sincerely interested in purchasing them, I will have to make arrangements to get into the storage location, test them somehow and ask the owner how much he wants for them.  They were quite expensive when he bought them.  If you're asking just from curiosity, I don't want to make the trip.
> Regards,
> Mike
> 
> From: GlassWolf <sem121470 at windstream.net>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Mon, March 5, 2012 7:26:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak DAT
> 
> What model is each, and what are you asking for them?
> 
> On 3/3/2012 12:15 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>> 
>> I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for several years and have a good customer who bought the digital stack including a DAT recorder and CD transport from me.  I have not seen them in some time and I don't know if they are in working condition.  I told him I would try to sell them for him and I just want see if anyone is interested in the DAT or both.  If so, I can get them out of storage and check them out.  They are stored in Conroe, TX, about an hour from Houston.  Let me know and I'll pursue it further.
>> Mike Marshall
>> Houston
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From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 11:51:19 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re:482z
Message-ID: <1304512026-1337601079-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1594159685-@b1.c16.bise6.blackberry>

Obviously it can also be a bad erase head. They are by far the most often bad head of the 3 (or 2). I've replaced at least 6 over the last 2 years. Or a broken solder at the erase head, also not uncommon. If it records well on a blank tape, then chose are likely causes.
Perry Esposito - From my phone


From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon May 21 16:11:41 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:11:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re:482z
In-Reply-To: <1304512026-1337601079-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1594159685-@b1.c16.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1304512026-1337601079-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1594159685-@b1.c16.bise6.blackberry>
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> Obviously it can also be a bad erase head...

Yes, it could. But it's unlikely for both erase head and REC head to join their 

ancestors simultaneously. 

-- Ron




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> 
>Obviously it can also be a bad erase head. They are by far the most often bad head of the 3 (or 2). I've replaced at least 6 over the last 2 years. Or a broken solder at the erase head, also not uncommon. If it records well on a blank tape, then chose are likely causes.
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From fsclaol at yahoo.com  Mon May 21 20:32:56 2012
From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 11:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Oversaturation Killed The Denon HD8?
Message-ID: <1337625176.5632.YahooMailNeo@web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Long ago I purchased a couple of metal tape brands (TDK MAR-60 and Sony Metal ES -90) to experience what all the fuss was about
when upgrading to an RX-505 (RIP).  As the RX died never pursued metals further, happy with the 600 and Type II tapes.

Fast forward to Y2K + and now have some Nak decks that are metal capable.  As this is the season for garage / tag / estate / moving sales,
I'm always on the lookout for cassettes and recently found a stash of assorted metal tapes which have been recorded on at a moving sale.
It seemed the movee had the same idea of searching for the ideal metal tape to archive recordings.

The metals found are: Sony SRs, Fuji FR, more TDK MARs and a couple of Denons, HD8 and HDM.    

Which brings me to my question, I've had no problems with any of the metals calibrating and recording on both a 670ZX and CR-7a, except
for the HD8.  In calibration mode, the CR lights up to bias, but never gets to ready.  The 670ZX left channel meter will not reach 0.  This 

happens on both Side A and B. 


There is recorded material on the HD8 (sounds fine, material not to my liking) and the recorded levels are fairly "hot", at least +7 on the CR
with the left channel sometimes getting close to +10.

Is this tape toast for re-recording?  and what / why would this happen?  Can I salvage this HD8?

TIA for any comments and experiences.    

 
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From spmcmanus at cox.net  Tue May 22 00:31:33 2012
From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 18:31:33 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
Message-ID: <20120521183133.ZCQQ9.325292.imail@eastrmwml304>

Just acquired a 582 ,it has great potential. The problem is the audio output is low .So low that the vu meters do not move during playback of any pre-recorded tape. It will record the 400 Hz test tone ,but again the output is barely audible with headphones. Any input would be much appreciated!


From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 03:23:30 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 18:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Oversaturation Killed The Denon HD8?
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Message-ID: <1337649810.51232.YahooMailNeo@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Fred,

AFAICR, the HD8 from Denon is metal particle type II and not a Type IV metal bias tape. On the 670ZX try using the Type II (SX) tape type select and on the CR7A,
manually select type II( Sx) and try calibrating/recording.

Good luck.

Ram.


________________________________
 From: Fred S.C. Li <fsclaol at yahoo.com>
To: Nakamichitechtalk <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Oversaturation Killed The Denon HD8?
 

Long ago I purchased a couple of metal tape brands (TDK MAR-60 and Sony Metal ES -90) to experience what all the fuss was about
when upgrading to an RX-505 (RIP).  As the RX died never pursued metals further, happy with the 600 and Type II tapes.

Fast forward to Y2K + and now have some Nak decks that are metal capable.  As this is the season for garage / tag / estate / moving sales,
I'm always on the lookout for cassettes and recently found a stash of assorted metal tapes which have been recorded on at a moving sale.
It seemed the movee had the same idea of searching for the ideal metal tape to archive recordings.

The metals found are: Sony SRs, Fuji FR, more TDK MARs and a couple of Denons, HD8 and HDM.    

Which brings me to my question, I've had no problems with any of the metals calibrating and recording on both a 670ZX and CR-7a, except
for the HD8.  In calibration mode, the CR lights up to bias, but never gets to ready.  The 670ZX left channel meter will not reach 0.  This 

happens on both Side A and B. 


There is recorded material on the HD8 (sounds fine, material not to my liking) and the recorded levels are fairly "hot", at least +7 on the CR
with the left channel sometimes getting close to +10.

Is this tape toast for re-recording?  and what / why would this happen?  Can I salvage this HD8?

TIA for any comments and experiences.    

 
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Tue May 22 00:54:54 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 16:54:54 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
References: <20120521183133.ZCQQ9.325292.imail@eastrmwml304>
Message-ID: <000501cd37a4$be0e8800$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

are you listening with headphones plugged into deck and nothing plugged into 
the RCA out jacks ??


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Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:31 PM
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output


> Just acquired a 582 ,it has great potential. The problem is the audio 
> output is low .So low that the vu meters do not move during playback of 
> any pre-recorded tape. It will record the 400 Hz test tone ,but again the 
> output is barely audible with headphones. Any input would be much 
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From mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 22 01:50:44 2012
From: mikeathomme at sbcglobal.net (Michael Marshall)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 16:50:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DAT
In-Reply-To: <796140D6-A973-461C-A7E2-4CFC55E4E3FC@mac.com>
References: <1330751738.59352.YahooMailRC@web83815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4F54BEFB.8000505@windstream.net>
	<1331310760.97835.YahooMailRC@web83801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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These pieces belong to a former customer and friend of mine, a retired doctor.  
He moved from the large house where they were installed into a small house in a 
retirement community.  I should have checked with him before posting this.  He 
has shown no interest in selling them. I sent him (he doesn't have e-mail) a 
printout of a page on eBay showing the CD changer transport selling for over 
$3,000 but he hasn't responded to the letter or my phone calls.  I haven't seen 
the three pieces or even know if he still has them.  He told me they were in 
storage and I assume they still are but I haven't seen them.  There should be 
manuals, but I haven't seen them either.  If he responds and indicates he wants 
to sell one or all, I'll let you know.  Sorry for the false alarm. 

Mike Marshall





________________________________
From: Scotts at Hollybush <jphscott at mac.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sun, May 20, 2012 1:11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak DAT

Hi, I wondered if you had managed to dig out the manuals yet?  Or even make a 
decision on what you are going to do with this kit?



On 9 Mar 2012, at 16:32, Michael Marshall wrote:

I'm sorry to be late in replying.  This landed in my spam box where a couple of 
other responses didn't.  There was only one model of each of these, a digital 
processor shared by a CD transport and a DAT transport, all with (I think) 1000 
as the model number.  I haven't seen them in years and don't know if they work.  
I was just putting out a feeler to see if there was interest.  They are in 
storage an hour from me.  I am not selling them.  They belong to a former 
customer who would set the sell price.  If you are sincerely interested in 
purchasing them, I will have to make arrangements to get into the storage 
location, test them somehow and ask the owner how much he wants for them.  They 
were quite expensive when he bought them.  If you're asking just from curiosity, 
I don't want to make the trip.
>Regards,
>Mike
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>Sent: Mon, March 5, 2012 7:26:19 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak DAT
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>What model is each, and what are you asking for them?
>
>On 3/3/2012 12:15 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>I sold Nak products at Home Entertainment in Houston for several years and have 
>a good customer who bought the digital stack including a DAT recorder and CD 
>transport from me.  I have not seen them in some time and I don't know if they 
>are in working condition.  I told him I would try to sell them for him and I 
>just want see if anyone is interested in the DAT or both.  If so, I can get them 
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>from Houston.  Let me know and I'll pursue it further.
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From fsclaol at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 05:35:07 2012
From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 20:35:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re:  Oversaturation Killed The Denon HD8
Message-ID: <1337657707.54105.YahooMailNeo@web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Thanks everyone, I'm feeling really stupid.  


"Metal Particle / High Bias" is stamped clearly in the case window, above in smaller letters is stamped "High Position (Type II)"
Thought this was a metal bias tape, didn't read the finer print.......


Calibration on the CR-7 is fine, the HD 8 on 670ZX is a bit "hotter" as the needles are +2 over 0 Dolby, this time on SX / 70Eq. 

 
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From spmcmanus at cox.net  Tue May 22 14:59:43 2012
From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 8:59:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
Message-ID: <20120522085943.2I3CZ.978496.imail@eastrmwml114>

Yes, headphones for now, as the vu meters show show hardly any signal, no point in hooking it into my sound system yet. I get just enough signal thru the headphones to discern that both channels are working.


From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Tue May 22 15:32:52 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 07:32:52 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
References: <20120522085943.2I3CZ.978496.imail@eastrmwml114>
Message-ID: <000601cd381f$6486cd30$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

So meters show nothing with headphones unplugged and nothing connected to 
output jacks ? (I was thinking possible short)  Maybe check circuit diagram 
to see if there is a mute circuit. I have a 582 parts deck so I might have 
some parts for you if you need.

Cheers,
Rainer S.

P.S. I hate to ask but you do have the source/tape switch on tape right ?

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> Yes, headphones for now, as the vu meters show show hardly any signal, no 
> point in hooking it into my sound system yet. I get just enough signal 
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 17:20:34 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:20:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re:482z
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W139F14077B3B6238A24FB9DF1D0@phx.gbl>
References: <1304512026-1337601079-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1594159685-@b1.c16.bise6.blackberry>,
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Message-ID: <1337700034.32921.YahooMailNeo@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


It's possible. But but before guessing what caused the oscillator to fail, 

I would first make sure that it actually has (you do need a 'scope for 

that, though).


-- Ron



>________________________________
> From: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>
>To: ronami at yahoo.com 
>Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 3:12 PM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:482z
> 
>
> 
>It does not record on blank tapes. And it does not erase recorded tapes. The two transistors in the oscillator, could they malfunction if the capacitors failed for one reason or other?
>
>Peter
>
>
>
>________________________________
>Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:11:41 -0700
>From: ronami at yahoo.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:482z
>To: perry.nak at comcast.net; naktalk at naks.com
>CC: 
>
>
>> Obviously it can also be a bad erase head...
>Yes, it could. But it's unlikely for both erase head and REC head to join their 
>
>ancestors simultaneously. 
>
>
>-- Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" <perry.nak at comcast.net>
>>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>>Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 7:51 AM
>>Subject: [naktalk] Re:482z
>> 
>>Obviously it can also be a bad erase head. They are by far the most often bad head of the 3 (or 2). I've replaced at least 6 over the last 2 years. Or a broken solder at the erase head, also not uncommon. If it records well on a blank tape, then chose are likely causes.
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From spmcmanus at cox.net  Tue May 22 18:23:14 2012
From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:23:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
Message-ID: <20120522122314.0IUI1.779354.imail@fed1rmwml302>

Yes I have it set on tape,I was hoping this problem this problem was simpler to solve than it's turning out . Any further ideas?


From spmcmanus at cox.net  Tue May 22 18:23:25 2012
From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:23:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
Message-ID: <20120522122325.9HGX6.779358.imail@fed1rmwml302>

Yes I have it set on tape,I was hoping this problem this problem was simpler to solve than it's turning out . Any further ideas?


From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 19:11:32 2012
From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:11:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
In-Reply-To: <20120522122314.0IUI1.779354.imail@fed1rmwml302>
Message-ID: <1337706692.31378.YahooMailClassic@web184517.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I got a 580 awhile ago where the output was low and no high frequencies....The head height was way off and the azimuth adjustment also. After adjusting both , it sounds good again. Check the playback head alignments.   Thomas

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From: spmcmanus at cox.net <spmcmanus at cox.net>
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 12:23 PM


Yes I have it set on tape,I was hoping this problem this problem was simpler to solve than it's turning out . Any further ideas?
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Tue May 22 21:10:48 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:10:48 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
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Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP253A2D4C711C1AA3D38E08E86020@phx.gbl>


Have you tried it with Dolby OFF? I had this problem on the right channel of
my 581 but only when Dolby was ON. When Dolby was OFF it worked fine. I
traced it to an orange cap in the Dolby circuit for the right channel. 

Aloha,
Cheryl

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Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output

Just acquired a 582 ,it has great potential. The problem is the audio output
is low .So low that the vu meters do not move during playback of any
pre-recorded tape. It will record the 400 Hz test tone ,but again the output
is barely audible with headphones. Any input would be much appreciated!
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From spmcmanus at cox.net  Wed May 23 02:55:11 2012
From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:55:11 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
Message-ID: <20120522205511.Q9D7A.996279.imail@eastrmwml302>

Rainer S. thankyou for the offer for spare parts. the record mute possibility made me think, the transport light is burned out and I think there was an old post that stated if a bulb was burned out it would affect sound levels. What do you think?


From spmcmanus at cox.net  Wed May 23 03:15:37 2012
From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 21:15:37 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] nak582 low output
Message-ID: <20120522211537.IT27J.996529.imail@eastrmwml302>

Thomas,  you may  be on to something as well. This deck has definatley been opened up and the transport adjustments may have been messed with as well. I do not have the proper jigs to accuratly adjust head height and such. I do not see how adjusting head height would increase volume?  FYI I recorded  the 400 Hz test tone and played it back on another deck.the signal fluctuated but both channels stayed within a decibel of each other. I guess i'm relunctant in head adjustments as I might make things worse. At this point I'm not sure what to do.


From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Wed May 23 04:57:52 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 16:57:52 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
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If the STOP light is burnt out, the unit will go into MUTE mode. The fix is
simple -- the addition of a resistor at the appropriate place.  
The symptom and fix are in the official documents posted on the NakTalk Wiki
-- #NR-0039.

If indeed it is the STOP lamp that is burned out, then perform the fix in
the document before you mess with the head height or azimuth. If you don't
have the right tools to adjust them you may end up being sorry you ever
touched them. 

Aloha,
Cheryl


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Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output

Rainer S. thankyou for the offer for spare parts. the record mute
possibility made me think, the transport light is burned out and I think
there was an old post that stated if a bulb was burned out it would affect
sound levels. What do you think?
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From spmcmanus at cox.net  Wed May 23 05:46:00 2012
From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 23:46:00 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
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Aloha Cheryl, well the stop lamp is burned out!  I can't find this posting for the fix,nr-0039. What you propose for the fix is beyond my abilities,but I would like to show this fix document to somebody who could help me with the repair.Help?


From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Wed May 23 06:26:56 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 18:26:56 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
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Just click on the wiki link that is at the bottom of each of these emails.
Then click on "Official Documents" and then go to NR-0039. On the right side
click on the "Download" link and download the document. The document gives a
very good description.

On the wiki there are also many service manuals for Naks.

Good luck!

Aloha,
Cheryl

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Aloha Cheryl, well the stop lamp is burned out!  I can't find this posting
for the fix,nr-0039. What you propose for the fix is beyond my abilities,but
I would like to show this fix document to somebody who could help me with
the repair.Help?
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Wed May 23 04:49:04 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:49:04 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
References: <20120522205511.Q9D7A.996279.imail@eastrmwml302>
Message-ID: <000601cd388e$9e835110$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

I think that post refers to the stop button bulb, cassette well light will 
have no effect on sound. Cheryl might be on to something with the dolby 
chips though. I recently did some work on my TD-700 car deck and the dolby 
chips are connected to the mute circuit on that deck. I wouldn't be shy 
about turning the head height adjustment screw either, you can always put a 
mark on it and put it back to where it was but I would be surprised if that 
was the trouble by the way your explaining it. You should probably get the 
schematics and start tracing it through. Are you sure nothing is connected 
to the output jacks and that there isn't a problem with your headphones, do 
meters move when headphones unplugged ??


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Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output


> Rainer S. thankyou for the offer for spare parts. the record mute 
> possibility made me think, the transport light is burned out and I think 
> there was an old post that stated if a bulb was burned out it would affect 
> sound levels. What do you think?
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From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com  Wed May 23 05:37:54 2012
From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:37:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] nak582 low output
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I mark the little white gear wheels with a dot from a Sharpie pen so I know where the original setting was.....then turn one way and then the other till the sound gets better or worse. If the head height is way off the tracks will only be getting a small part of the original signal. The playback adjustment height is to the right side of center ( the white gear wheel in the middle )  and the azimuth of the playback head adjustment is the white gear wheel way off to the right side all by itself. They affect each other so....first adjust the head height ....then the azimuth.   After you get the playback head adjusted then you adjust the record head  ( the adjustments to the left side of center of the transport head adjustment area.   Good luck.    Thomas

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From: spmcmanus at cox.net <spmcmanus at cox.net>
Subject: [naktalk] nak582 low output
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 9:15 PM


Thomas,  you may  be on to something as well. This deck has definatley been opened up and the transport adjustments may have been messed with as well. I do not have the proper jigs to accuratly adjust head height and such. I do not see how adjusting head height would increase volume?  FYI I recorded  the 400 Hz test tone and played it back on another deck.the signal fluctuated but both channels stayed within a decibel of each other. I guess i'm relunctant in head adjustments as I might make things worse. At this point I'm not sure what to do.
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From spmcmanus at cox.net  Wed May 23 15:32:03 2012
From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 9:32:03 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
Message-ID: <20120523093203.HJ093.1003999.imail@eastrmwml206>

Cheryl, thanks I found it ! One question, do I attach the resistor the bottom side of the board, accessed by removing the bottom panel of the tapedeck?


From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Wed May 23 20:54:45 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 20:54:45 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 481Z Record problem
In-Reply-To: <20128.86.190.19.251.1336679105.squirrel@sqmail.gn.apc.org>
References: <20128.86.190.19.251.1336679105.squirrel@sqmail.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <004001cd3915$85b23e80$9116bb80$@nl>

Hi Graham,

 

Maybe it looks like a stupid answer but is it possible that you use a tape with the record prevention tabs out of the tape Shell?

 

Regards Norman

 

Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Graham Cameron
Verzonden: donderdag 10 mei 2012 21:45
Aan: naktalk at naks.com
Onderwerp: [naktalk] 481Z Record problem

 

Hello forum members.

I am new to this list/topic, so please bear with me.
I am having a clear out and have a 481Z which I haven't used in years 
and so would like to sell.
There have been a couple of problems with it: first the eject button 
wouldn't work, I managed to fix this by following instructions I found 
on Scott's NAK FAQ pages.
Now it plays fine but won't record. When I press the record button, 
nothing happens, lamp doesn't light, input meters don't move, nothing.
I have searched all the NAK archives but couldn't find anything related.
Does anyone please have any ideas?
Unlike many on these pages I am no electronics wizard, so as an 
alternative, if there are any repairers (I am in UK Midlands) listening 
or recommended, please shout.
Thanks in advance.
Graham

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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Thu May 24 05:27:08 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 21:27:08 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 410 Preamp and 420 Amp replacement lamps
Message-ID: <SNT111-W431AC8927664A39CAB2C05DB000@phx.gbl>





Just received a Nak 410 preamp and 420 amp in great condition. Only problem is the power light is out on both units.Doing a research, the 420 amp uses a 16V 40mA lamp.Questions:Does the 410 preamp use the same size replacement lamp?Are the lamps easy to replace in both units?The service manual for the 420 is on the wiki, the 410 service manual is not available. Any help is greatly appreciated. 		 	   		  
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From spmcmanus at cox.net  Thu May 24 06:09:49 2012
From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 0:09:49 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] nak582 low output
Message-ID: <20120524000949.HTXR2.897667.imail@eastrmwml207>

Just to let you know I completed the resistor fix and now the 582 plays and sounds like it should ! Thanks to all for your inputs I could not have done it without you!


From russellstorey at westnet.com.au  Thu May 24 07:06:37 2012
From: russellstorey at westnet.com.au (russellstorey)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 15:06:37 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] nak582 low output
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References: <20120524000949.HTXR2.897667.imail@eastrmwml207>
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What is the resistor value , and location number on the board , R202 ?  

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Just to let you know I completed the resistor fix and now the 582 plays and sounds like it should ! Thanks to all for your inputs I could not have done it without you!
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From spmcmanus at cox.net  Thu May 24 15:28:45 2012
From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 9:28:45 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
Message-ID: <20120524092845.KLLTL.1016131.imail@eastrmwml214>

1 k ohms attached at pins 7&8.


From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Fri May 25 00:55:01 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 12:55:01 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] nak582 low output
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Congrats!!! It feels good to fix it yourself, doesn't it??!!

Aloha,
Cheryl 

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Subject: [naktalk] nak582 low output

Just to let you know I completed the resistor fix and now the 582 plays and
sounds like it should ! Thanks to all for your inputs I could not have done
it without you!
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From russellstorey at westnet.com.au  Thu May 24 23:44:55 2012
From: russellstorey at westnet.com.au (russellstorey)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 07:44:55 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
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1 k ohms attached at pins 7&8.  I need more detail & schematic description  
On what  part of   board   are pins 7&8 located  example >  ( Line output  section )     ,  On   IC  ,,,"   Or transistor  Q,,,,   ?  

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1 k ohms attached at pins 7&8.
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Fri May 25 19:22:22 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 07:22:22 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] nak 582 low output
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Look at my old posts. I described how to get the relevent doc on the wiki.

Aloha,
Cheryl 

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1 k ohms attached at pins 7&8.  I need more detail & schematic description  
On what  part of   board   are pins 7&8 located  example >  ( Line output
section )     ,  On   IC  ,,,"   Or transistor  Q,,,,   ?  

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1 k ohms attached at pins 7&8.
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Fri May 25 19:44:29 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 10:44:29 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 410 Preamp and 420 Amp replacement lamps
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Hi Mark -

I'm not shining you on.  I just have to do a bit of research to answer your
questions correctly and I haven't had the time when I'm around my manuals
yet.  I'll get to it this weekend.

Willy

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Just received a Nak 410 preamp and 420 amp in great condition. Only
> problem is the power light is out on both units.
> Doing a research, the 420 amp uses a 16V 40mA lamp.
> Questions:
> Does the 410 preamp use the same size replacement lamp?
> Are the lamps easy to replace in both units?
> The service manual for the 420 is on the wiki, the 410 service manual is
> not available.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
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From spmcmanus at cox.net  Sat May 26 15:00:23 2012
From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 9:00:23 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 582 rec head calibration
Message-ID: <20120526090023.VLI84.1034885.imail@eastrmwml205>

Question.... the manual wants the record head adjusted to the 15 khz test tone at a maximum setting, does that mean to "0" or the highest reading into the red as can be adjusted?


From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Sun May 27 01:27:44 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 13:27:44 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] 582 rec head calibration
In-Reply-To: <20120526090023.VLI84.1034885.imail@eastrmwml205>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP21130CE7A866AACFD8198F386060@phx.gbl>


 
You are looking for the maximum reading on the meters -- not zero -- the
maximum movement to the right. The trick is that the maximum will be
slightly different for each channel and you need to find the compromise that
gives you the highest possible reading for BOTH channels at the same time.
It is rather difficult to do this with the built in analog meters -- trust
me, I did it many, many times. You have to watch both channels and try to
determine the max point on both meters simultaneously. Tiny screw
adjustments can make fairly major differences in meter readings.

A better way is to use a PC sound card and one of the shareware programs for
measuring audio signals and giving you a digital readout. I used one that
had both a numeric DB indication as well as a visual DB bar display. Just
use the Nak's output hooked up to the PC's sound card via a cable that has
RCA's on one end and a stereo mini on the other end. The display was such
that channel indicators were right next to each other -- it made it much
easier visually since I only had to look at one spot. Also, you can play
around and find the absolute maximum DB reading for each channel and use
that to get an average of the two. Be aware that there was one gotcha -- my
PC sound card had a few DB more of noise on one channel that it did on the
other -- so I had to take that into account too.  

Be sure to mark the original position of the adjustment screws. It is
possible that no one has ever messed with them and you might make it worse,
not better.

Aloha,
Cheryl


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Subject: [naktalk] 582 rec head calibration

Question.... the manual wants the record head adjusted to the 15 khz test
tone at a maximum setting, does that mean to "0" or the highest reading into
the red as can be adjusted?
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From spmcmanus at cox.net  Sun May 27 07:54:20 2012
From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 1:54:20 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 582 rec head calibration
Message-ID: <20120527015420.RLM3P.1044772.imail@eastrmwml213>

Cheryl, I adjusted the rec head for maximum reading on the meters. A little trickey ,but not to bad.  The recordings sound real good. This 582 may be the best sounding of all my decks!  For now I'm just going to sit back and enjoy listening  to this deck it has awesome stereo separation!  Again thanks for your help!!!


From serbianduke13 at gmail.com  Sun May 27 11:16:16 2012
From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 11:16:16 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 582 rec head calibration
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	<BLU0-SMTP21130CE7A866AACFD8198F386060@phx.gbl>
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Hello there,

recently I got Nak 682ZX and Auto Cal did not work so I did servise on my
own according to service spec...I have success but I think my experience is
that when you adjust play and rec head on 400 and 15khz you need equalize
them and get them max in the same time... because Nak is doing later with
equal channels, auto azimut and auto level...after that I got all specs and
measurements like tehn secs in service manual and my Nak is recording now
amazing...So conclusion, play head 400Hz both channel minimum and equal,
15Khz both channel max and equal, rec head in both cases both channel equal
and maximum...

Regards

Dragon

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> You are looking for the maximum reading on the meters -- not zero -- the
> maximum movement to the right. The trick is that the maximum will be
> slightly different for each channel and you need to find the compromise
> that
> gives you the highest possible reading for BOTH channels at the same time.
> It is rather difficult to do this with the built in analog meters -- trust
> me, I did it many, many times. You have to watch both channels and try to
> determine the max point on both meters simultaneously. Tiny screw
> adjustments can make fairly major differences in meter readings.
>
> A better way is to use a PC sound card and one of the shareware programs
> for
> measuring audio signals and giving you a digital readout. I used one that
> had both a numeric DB indication as well as a visual DB bar display. Just
> use the Nak's output hooked up to the PC's sound card via a cable that has
> RCA's on one end and a stereo mini on the other end. The display was such
> that channel indicators were right next to each other -- it made it much
> easier visually since I only had to look at one spot. Also, you can play
> around and find the absolute maximum DB reading for each channel and use
> that to get an average of the two. Be aware that there was one gotcha -- my
> PC sound card had a few DB more of noise on one channel that it did on the
> other -- so I had to take that into account too.
>
> Be sure to mark the original position of the adjustment screws. It is
> possible that no one has ever messed with them and you might make it worse,
> not better.
>
> Aloha,
> Cheryl
>
>
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>
> Question.... the manual wants the record head adjusted to the 15 khz test
> tone at a maximum setting, does that mean to "0" or the highest reading
> into
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From davidt124 at internode.on.net  Sun May 27 13:42:37 2012
From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 21:42:37 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX not playing
Message-ID: <CBE8504D.9492%davidt124@internode.on.net>

I have just replaced the belts and idler in my 682ZX but I still have a
problem with the transport.
When the power is off, I can move the cam wheel by hand, but when the power
is on, the cam wheel is locked tight and cannot raise the transport. I would
appreciate any suggestions.

DAvid


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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Sun May 27 15:49:54 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 15:49:54 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX not playing
In-Reply-To: <CBE8504D.9492%davidt124@internode.on.net>
References: <CBE8504D.9492%davidt124@internode.on.net>
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The are vario resistors
  VR402 for Stop
VR 403 for Play
VR 403 for  Cue

This resistors,  put the cam Motor to his marks on the white plastic  
in the transport.

You can do it one  VR after another, but the all must be  set at the  
one time, because the are influence each other.

The cam Motor Belt must be good .

If that does not work there is a small canche that you did a mistake  
by putting the cam Motor wheel  and  the gear wheel together, who is  
moving the head base , This big wheel must stop at the right marks on  
the plastic.

have a look in the Service Manual; Picture

regards Gerhard
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Am 27.05.2012 um 13:42 schrieb David Thompson:

> I have just replaced the belts and idler in my 682ZX but I still  
> have a problem with the transport.
> When the power is off, I can move the cam wheel by hand, but when  
> the power is on, the cam wheel is locked tight and cannot raise the  
> transport. I would appreciate any suggestions.
>
> DAvid
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From serbianduke13 at gmail.com  Sun May 27 15:55:17 2012
From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 15:55:17 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX not playing
In-Reply-To: <CBE8504D.9492%davidt124@internode.on.net>
References: <CBE8504D.9492%davidt124@internode.on.net>
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Hi David,

it is not a matter of idler or belts, probably your Nak haven't been
working for a long time, it is plastic mehanyzm which moves a head go up...

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 1:42 PM, David Thompson
<davidt124 at internode.on.net>wrote:

> I have just replaced the belts and idler in my 682ZX but I still have a
> problem with the transport.
> When the power is off, I can move the cam wheel by hand, but when the
> power is on, the cam wheel is locked tight and cannot raise the transport.
> I would appreciate any suggestions.
>
> DAvid
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Sun May 27 16:49:19 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 08:49:19 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX not playing
References: <CBE8504D.9492%davidt124@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <001001cd3c17$e66efc40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

David, make sure wires for the cam motor and control pot are plugged in properly and check to see if the control pot fork is engaged correctly.

Cheers,
Rainer
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Thompson 
  To: Naktalk 
  Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 5:42 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX not playing


  I have just replaced the belts and idler in my 682ZX but I still have a problem with the transport.
  When the power is off, I can move the cam wheel by hand, but when the power is on, the cam wheel is locked tight and cannot raise the transport. I would appreciate any suggestions.


  DAvid





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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Sun May 27 18:50:57 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 09:50:57 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX not playing
In-Reply-To: <CBE8504D.9492%davidt124@internode.on.net>
References: <CBE8504D.9492%davidt124@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <CAM9V8McOcoTS_bXJyud85JpcB4ScmQp=hZvzr-qOKNRQTUMLzw@mail.gmail.com>

Check the voltage at the motor.  It sounds like one of the two drive
transistors for the motor may be shorted and causing the motor to lock in
one position.  They are Q424 and Q425 on the logic board.  If they're OK
check the voltage rails feeding them.

Best of luck.

Willy

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 4:42 AM, David Thompson
<davidt124 at internode.on.net>wrote:

> I have just replaced the belts and idler in my 682ZX but I still have a
> problem with the transport.
> When the power is off, I can move the cam wheel by hand, but when the
> power is on, the cam wheel is locked tight and cannot raise the transport.
> I would appreciate any suggestions.
>
> DAvid
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Sun May 27 21:04:23 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 09:04:23 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] 582 rec head calibration
In-Reply-To: <20120527015420.RLM3P.1044772.imail@eastrmwml213>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP4676E45034FD6BAAD88504F86070@phx.gbl>


Cool!

The seriously molested 582 that I bought off ebay for $25 sounds really good
too (after serious major reconstruction surgery). I listen to it with
headphones while surfing the web.

Happy listening!
Cheryl 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of spmcmanus at cox.net
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 7:54 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 582 rec head calibration

Cheryl, I adjusted the rec head for maximum reading on the meters. A little
trickey ,but not to bad.  The recordings sound real good. This 582 may be
the best sounding of all my decks!  For now I'm just going to sit back and
enjoy listening  to this deck it has awesome stereo separation!  Again
thanks for your help!!!
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Sun May 27 21:36:36 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 09:36:36 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] 582 rec head calibration
In-Reply-To: <CAG+rBz+M_KP2DUZKtzMYuJ+h_S7kiiDYVBzWiGdhb+E6VH329Q@mail.gmail.com>
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I may be wrong, but whether or not there will be equal readings on each
channel depends on other properties such as vu-meter calibration.
 
Personally, I found doing it with the analog meters to be a compromise
because they don't give enough detailed information -- it depends too much
on visual perception rather than detailed electrical data. It was much
easier to get it spot on with the PC. 
 
Aloha,
Cheryl

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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Dragan Vojvodic
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 11:16 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 rec head calibration


Hello there, 

recently I got Nak 682ZX and Auto Cal did not work so I did servise on my
own according to service spec...I have success but I think my experience is
that when you adjust play and rec head on 400 and 15khz you need equalize
them and get them max in the same time... because Nak is doing later with
equal channels, auto azimut and auto level...after that I got all specs and
measurements like tehn secs in service manual and my Nak is recording now
amazing...So conclusion, play head 400Hz both channel minimum and equal,
15Khz both channel max and equal, rec head in both cases both channel equal
and maximum...

Regards 

Dragon


On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com> wrote:




You are looking for the maximum reading on the meters -- not zero -- the
maximum movement to the right. The trick is that the maximum will be
slightly different for each channel and you need to find the compromise that
gives you the highest possible reading for BOTH channels at the same time.
It is rather difficult to do this with the built in analog meters -- trust
me, I did it many, many times. You have to watch both channels and try to
determine the max point on both meters simultaneously. Tiny screw
adjustments can make fairly major differences in meter readings.

A better way is to use a PC sound card and one of the shareware programs for
measuring audio signals and giving you a digital readout. I used one that
had both a numeric DB indication as well as a visual DB bar display. Just
use the Nak's output hooked up to the PC's sound card via a cable that has
RCA's on one end and a stereo mini on the other end. The display was such
that channel indicators were right next to each other -- it made it much
easier visually since I only had to look at one spot. Also, you can play
around and find the absolute maximum DB reading for each channel and use
that to get an average of the two. Be aware that there was one gotcha -- my
PC sound card had a few DB more of noise on one channel that it did on the
other -- so I had to take that into account too.

Be sure to mark the original position of the adjustment screws. It is
possible that no one has ever messed with them and you might make it worse,
not better.

Aloha,
Cheryl


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Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 3:00 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 582 rec head calibration

Question.... the manual wants the record head adjusted to the 15 khz test
tone at a maximum setting, does that mean to "0" or the highest reading into
the red as can be adjusted?
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From russellstorey at westnet.com.au  Sun May 27 20:29:09 2012
From: russellstorey at westnet.com.au (russellstorey)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 04:29:09 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX not playing
In-Reply-To: <CBE8504D.9492%davidt124@internode.on.net>
References: <CBE8504D.9492%davidt124@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <001501cd3c36$9f2e13b0$dd8a3b10$@com.au>

Hi  David , 

1.       Assuming  all of the deck electronics including power  all supply's
is working except for this function and you are electronic technician in
background  

2.       With no power   see if  you can  rotate  cam wheel  freely by hand
to  make  heads and  both pinch rollers engage fully into the play mode 

3.       If yes , you have an  electronic problem on  mech - logic board
control motor control  drive circuit 

4.       If No , then you have mechanical problem in the mechanism

 

FMI what country are you located ? Are you rookie or technician in audio
reapir business  

Kind Regards 

Russell Storey                                     ph  02 66 793059

 

STONES SOUND STUDIO   ( Australia )

Audio & Acoustic Engineering Consultants

http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/

 

http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/ribbon_speaker_kit/ribbon_speaker_
kit_info.htm

 

 





 

 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of David Thompson
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:43 PM
To: Naktalk
Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX not playing

 

I have just replaced the belts and idler in my 682ZX but I still have a
problem with the transport.

When the power is off, I can move the cam wheel by hand, but when the power
is on, the cam wheel is locked tight and cannot raise the transport. I would
appreciate any suggestions.

 

DAvid

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From solexny at gmail.com  Mon May 28 04:07:05 2012
From: solexny at gmail.com (Dan Moy)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 22:07:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] for sale: bx300 with 220+ tapes
Message-ID: <CANyhGbuFfDB73yOHq+EihExY9o0A0oL3HtEcEtQFW8_SVXA3QQ@mail.gmail.com>

2nd owner of and excellent condition BX-300
Comes with Original Box
Idler tire replaced (very recently)
Scratches on the top of the deck
220+ tapes from 80's and 90's (Rock, New Wave, Classic Guitar, Classical)
2 new Maxell XL-II 90

Pictures can be seen here:
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/ele/3041867719.html


From luyingdai at yahoo.com  Mon May 28 06:34:00 2012
From: luyingdai at yahoo.com (Ying Dai Lu)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 21:34:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re:RX505 timing
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP338AF8A327EADDA8D3EF20986190@phx.gbl>
References: <1337133565.59528.YahooMailNeo@web111710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP338AF8A327EADDA8D3EF20986190@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1338179640.73323.YahooMailNeo@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

 
 
 
Hi Cheryl,
 
Can I forward what Perry has sent me so you can point out to me where is the Camshaft Spindle and where is the Fork.
 
I hope Perry does not mind.
 
  

________________________________
 From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
To: 'Ying Dai Lu' <luyingdai at yahoo.com>; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:53 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:RX505 timing
  

 
  
Since you mentioned that you rotated the cam manually, I 
assume you know what the cam is. The cam motor is 
the motor that drives the cam. 
  
If you peer down through the top of the assembled transport, 
you can see the cam motor and its spindle, and you can see that the spindle 
engages the cam. 
  
Where the cam motor spindle engages the cam it has a "fork" on 
the end of it. The fork MUST engage in the proper spot in the 
cam. 
  
Pictures would help but I don't have a transport out of any of 
my decks. Sorry. Does anyone else of a picture of the cam and its 
slots? 
  
In Perry's instructions he mentions this alignment issue near 
the end of the instructions -- it is the "gotcha". 
  
Aloha, 
Cheryl


________________________________
 From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 
[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ying Dai 
Lu
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:59 PM
To: Talk about 
Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:RX505 
timing

  
Good Lord ! 
  
We are around 70's.  
How many "Springs" do we have ??       
LOL 
  
When you send detailed email will you be kind and able to 
pin-point    :    ( 1 )   "pot 
fork"   and    
 ( 2 )"right inner part of cam " 

Thank you so much. 

As I will be taking a vacation break we will restart our "adventure" next 
month. 

Thanks everybody for chipping in. 

Its a joy to be in this "jurassic" audio fraternity. 

Cheers.
 

________________________________
From: Perry.nak 
<perry.nak at comcast.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 8:56 
PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re:RX505 
timing

I sent you a more detailed email, and yes, before you 
ask,in order to position the pot fork correctly over the right inner part of the 
cam, you have to take the whole thing apart again.





Sent 
from my 
NOOK

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From davidt124 at internode.on.net  Mon May 28 13:19:28 2012
From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 21:19:28 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX not playing
Message-ID: <CBE99C60.95CB%davidt124@internode.on.net>

Thanks for the responses on this matter. I reckon it is a logic board issue.
After replacing Q424, the cam wheel was freed up under power. But after
fiddling, the fast forward is now locked on. Looks like I need some expert
help!

David

Russell, I am David  in Cairns Qld.

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Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 09:50:57 -0700
From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX not playing
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
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Check the voltage at the motor.  It sounds like one of the two drive
transistors for the motor may be shorted and causing the motor to lock in
one position.  They are Q424 and Q425 on the logic board.  If they're OK
check the voltage rails feeding them.

Best of luck.

Willy

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 4:42 AM, David Thompson
<davidt124 at internode.on.net>wrote:

> I have just replaced the belts and idler in my 682ZX but I still have a
> problem with the transport.
> When the power is off, I can move the cam wheel by hand, but when the
> power is on, the cam wheel is locked tight and cannot raise the transport.
> I would appreciate any suggestions.
> 
> DAvid


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From luyingdai at yahoo.com  Mon May 28 15:27:24 2012
From: luyingdai at yahoo.com (Ying Dai Lu)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 06:27:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Two out of 3 of the 2.5A fuses blown. ??? Will
	other parts be affected ?????
Message-ID: <1338211644.11898.YahooMailNeo@web111722.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

In the course of trying to correct "TIMING" the was a short circuit. 
2 of the 3 2.5A fuses were blown.
Have to go and buy them
 
With the the fuses blown, is there a likelihood that other parts are affected ? I was told by the echnician friend that these fuses relate to power supply and has nothing to do with the sound.
 
There seems to be one mishap after another. Guess we are getting on in years.
 
So is there salvation with these blown fuses. Any redemption or is the deck repair beyond redemption ?
I am not a technical man and rely on my old techincian friend. Though trusting him I have to acknowledge he is old and has retired  but he is certainly doing his best. We do enjoy ourselves fixing but when we encounter difficulties such as blown fuses, it certainly is frustrating and dispairing. Very sad when we are almost there with Prry and Cheryl's assistance.
 
By the way any can show a pic of the Cam Motor, Camshaft, the Spindle and the FORK that is on the Spindle.
 
Thank you.
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Mon May 28 18:04:23 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:04:23 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX not playing
In-Reply-To: <CBE99C60.95CB%davidt124@internode.on.net>
References: <CBE99C60.95CB%davidt124@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <CAM9V8MciPKQsdeM=Xg+wgQJK2-DwS1OynGJqk8ySXpmdW9+HAg@mail.gmail.com>

The spooling motor is run by the same two transistor configuration as the
cam motor.  Check those two for an emitter/collector short.

Willy

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:19 AM, David Thompson
<davidt124 at internode.on.net>wrote:

> Thanks for the responses on this matter. I reckon it is a logic board
> issue. After replacing Q424, the cam wheel was freed up under power. But
> after fiddling, the fast forward is now locked on. Looks like I need some
> expert help!
>
> David
>
> Russell, I am David  in Cairns Qld.
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 09:50:57 -0700
> From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX not playing
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
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> Check the voltage at the motor.  It sounds like one of the two drive
> transistors for the motor may be shorted and causing the motor to lock in
> one position.  They are Q424 and Q425 on the logic board.  If they're OK
> check the voltage rails feeding them.
>
> Best of luck.
>
> Willy
>
> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 4:42 AM, David Thompson
> <davidt124 at internode.on.net>wrote:
>
> I have just replaced the belts and idler in my 682ZX but I still have a
> problem with the transport.
> When the power is off, I can move the cam wheel by hand, but when the
> power is on, the cam wheel is locked tight and cannot raise the transport.
> I would appreciate any suggestions.
>
> DAvid
>
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Mon May 28 19:08:31 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 07:08:31 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re:RX505 timing
In-Reply-To: <1338179640.73323.YahooMailNeo@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP198624F0A7A4167D86B2F3F86040@phx.gbl>

 
Well, I'll try. Perry and I are buddies so no worries...
 
This cam drive is a bit different than the ones on my units.
 
In picture 3034 you can see the two parts...the cam on one half of the
transport and the mating part on the other half of the transport. These are
the 2 pieces that fit together. There is no spindle with a fork on the end.
Instead there is a plastic arm that has the "U" that fits into the cam. This
is what drives it.
 
Now skip to picture 3039 where the 2 halves of the transport are back
together. I know of no way to explain this better. When you put the two
halves of the transport back together, the "U" (or fork) needs to fit into
the correct part of the cam so that if you hold your assembled transport in
the EXACT position as Perry has it in the picture, the "U" (or fork) will
look exactly like it does in the picture. If it doesn't look exactly like
that, then the "U" is in the wrong slot in the cam. There are only a few
places where the "U" can fit into the cam, so if you get it wrong the first
time just do it over until you get it right. You may have to initially
position it without the two halves of the transport being square to each
other and then rotate the halves so that they fit together properly.
 
Good luck! Hope that helps.
 
Aloha,
Cheryl

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Ying Dai Lu
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 6:34 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:RX505 timing


 
 
 
Hi Cheryl,
 
Can I forward what Perry has sent me so you can point out to me where is the
Camshaft Spindle and where is the Fork.
 
I hope Perry does not mind.
 
 
From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
To: 'Ying Dai Lu' <luyingdai at yahoo.com>; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette
Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:53 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:RX505 timing


 
Since you mentioned that you rotated the cam manually, I assume you know
what the cam is. The cam motor is the motor that drives the cam.
 
If you peer down through the top of the assembled transport, you can see the
cam motor and its spindle, and you can see that the spindle engages the cam.
 
Where the cam motor spindle engages the cam it has a "fork" on the end of
it. The fork MUST engage in the proper spot in the cam.
 
Pictures would help but I don't have a transport out of any of my decks.
Sorry. Does anyone else of a picture of the cam and its slots?
 
In Perry's instructions he mentions this alignment issue near the end of the
instructions -- it is the "gotcha".
 
Aloha,
Cheryl

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Ying Dai Lu
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:59 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:RX505 timing


Good Lord !
 
We are around 70's. 
How many "Springs" do we have ??       LOL
 
When you send detailed email will you be kind and able to pin-point    :
( 1 )   "pot fork"   and   
 ( 2 )"right inner part of cam "
 
Thank you so much.
 
As I will be taking a vacation break we will restart our "adventure" next
month.
 
Thanks everybody for chipping in.
 
Its a joy to be in this "jurassic" audio fraternity.
 
Cheers.

From: Perry.nak <perry.nak at comcast.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 8:56 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re:RX505 timing


I sent you a more detailed email, and yes, before you ask,in order to
position the pot fork correctly over the right inner part of the cam, you
have to take the whole thing apart again.





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From adrian at mechner.net  Mon May 28 18:25:51 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:25:51 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Two out of 3 of the 2.5A fuses blown. ???
	Will	other parts be affected ?????
In-Reply-To: <1338211644.11898.YahooMailNeo@web111722.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1338211644.11898.YahooMailNeo@web111722.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301cd3cee$8c8b12e0$a5a138a0$@net>

A blown fuse is no reason to freak out in the first place. Obviously you did
something wrong, however that's what a fuse is for.

Get more than one for each from the store (you might need spares). Two
things could have happened: You touched something and you caused the short
yourself or you soldered some part and didn't pay attention.

Have them replaced first and get back with what happened after replacement.

Adrina

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Ying Dai Lu
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 6:27 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Two out of 3 of the 2.5A fuses blown. ??? Will
other parts be affected ?????

 

In the course of trying to correct "TIMING" the was a short circuit. 

2 of the 3 2.5A fuses were blown.

Have to go and buy them

 

With the the fuses blown, is there a likelihood that other parts are
affected ? I was told by the echnician friend that these fuses relate to
power supply and has nothing to do with the sound.

 

There seems to be one mishap after another. Guess we are getting on in
years.

 

So is there salvation with these blown fuses. Any redemption or is the deck
repair beyond redemption ?

I am not a technical man and rely on my old techincian friend. Though
trusting him I have to acknowledge he is old and has retired  but he is
certainly doing his best. We do enjoy ourselves fixing but when we encounter
difficulties such as blown fuses, it certainly is frustrating and
dispairing. Very sad when we are almost there with Prry and Cheryl's
assistance.

 

By the way any can show a pic of the Cam Motor, Camshaft, the Spindle and
the FORK that is on the Spindle.

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

 

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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Mon May 28 21:20:28 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:20:28 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Two out of 3 of the 2.5A fuses blown. ???
	Willother parts be affected ?????
In-Reply-To: <1338211644.11898.YahooMailNeo@web111722.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP69DC4095893EED55BF4AEE86040@phx.gbl>

 
Carefully inspect the inside of the unit to make sure you don't have any
broken/dangling wires or misrouted/abraded wires that may be causing a
short. Also inspect for loose screws that may have fallen into the unit.
Gently shake the unit and listen for the sound of loose screws that may be
hidden from view.
 
Then replace the fuses and plug it in.
 
It is very easy for some of the finer gauge wires to break during
disassembly/re-assembly. On the 581/582 the wires to the vu-meters get
flexed each time it's takent apart and put back together. The flexing has
caused the wires to break at the solder joint on several occasions.
 
Also, always remember to unplug the unit when putting the cabinet back
together or taking it apart. It's possible to short metal cabinet pieces (or
that screwdriver in your hand) to exposed solder joints.
 
Aloha,
Cheryl
 
 

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Ying Dai Lu
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 3:27 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Two out of 3 of the 2.5A fuses blown. ??? Willother
parts be affected ?????


In the course of trying to correct "TIMING" the was a short circuit. 
2 of the 3 2.5A fuses were blown.
Have to go and buy them
 
With the the fuses blown, is there a likelihood that other parts are
affected ? I was told by the echnician friend that these fuses relate to
power supply and has nothing to do with the sound.
 
There seems to be one mishap after another. Guess we are getting on in
years.
 
So is there salvation with these blown fuses. Any redemption or is the deck
repair beyond redemption ?
I am not a technical man and rely on my old techincian friend. Though
trusting him I have to acknowledge he is old and has retired  but he is
certainly doing his best. We do enjoy ourselves fixing but when we encounter
difficulties such as blown fuses, it certainly is frustrating and
dispairing. Very sad when we are almost there with Prry and Cheryl's
assistance.
 
By the way any can show a pic of the Cam Motor, Camshaft, the Spindle and
the FORK that is on the Spindle.
 
Thank you.
 
 
 
 
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From davidt124 at internode.on.net  Tue May 29 09:24:10 2012
From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:24:10 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX not playing
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8MciPKQsdeM=Xg+wgQJK2-DwS1OynGJqk8ySXpmdW9+HAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CBEAB17C.960B%davidt124@internode.on.net>

There is about 60 ohm between emitter and collector for each one.

When the transport is unplugged from the logic board I get:
Q424 Q425 Q426 Q427 Q420
+12.1V +12.10V  -9.6V -9.6V -3.5V
(The first two as per the schematic values)

When plugged back in, with fast forward still running I get:
Q424 Q425 Q426 Q427 Q420
-0.71V -7.2V  -9.7V -9.7V -3.54V

The cap C457 has +12.4 Š.. -12.2 across it.

I checked the cam fork and it was the opposite side to my ZX9, so corrected
that.
(Cheryl, are those photos available somewhere?)

But still there is problem above and I am not sure where to go now.

David

From:  Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
Reply-To:  Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Date:  Tuesday, 29 May 2012 2:04 AM
To:  Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject:  Re: [naktalk] 682ZX not playing

> The spooling motor is run by the same two transistor configuration as the cam
> motor.  Check those two for an emitter/collector short.
> 
> Willy
> 
> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:19 AM, David Thompson <davidt124 at internode.on.net>
> wrote:
>> Thanks for the responses on this matter. I reckon it is a logic board issue.
>> After replacing Q424, the cam wheel was freed up under power. But after
>> fiddling, the fast forward is now locked on. Looks like I need some expert
>> help!
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> Russell, I am David  in Cairns Qld.
>> 
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 09:50:57 -0700
>> From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX not playing
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAM9V8McOcoTS_bXJyud85JpcB4ScmQp=hZvzr-qOKNRQTUMLzw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> 
>> Check the voltage at the motor.  It sounds like one of the two drive
>> transistors for the motor may be shorted and causing the motor to lock in
>> one position.  They are Q424 and Q425 on the logic board.  If they're OK
>> check the voltage rails feeding them.
>> 
>> Best of luck.
>> 
>> Willy
>> 
>> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 4:42 AM, David Thompson
>> <davidt124 at internode.on.net>wrote:
>> 
>>> I have just replaced the belts and idler in my 682ZX but I still have a
>>> problem with the transport.
>>> When the power is off, I can move the cam wheel by hand, but when the
>>> power is on, the cam wheel is locked tight and cannot raise the transport.
>>> I would appreciate any suggestions.
>>> 
>>> DAvid
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From davidt124 at internode.on.net  Tue May 29 09:37:03 2012
From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:37:03 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX not playing
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8MciPKQsdeM=Xg+wgQJK2-DwS1OynGJqk8ySXpmdW9+HAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CBEAB8F5.9625%davidt124@internode.on.net>

There is about 60 ohm between emitter and collector for each one.
ŠŠŠŠ Looking at the data sheet, I think I measured Q425 on the wrong side.
It is about 18 Mohm.

When the transport is unplugged from the logic board I get:
Q424 Q425 Q426 Q427 Q420
+12.1V +12.10V  -9.6V -9.6V -3.5V
(The first two as per the schematic values)

When plugged back in, with fast forward still running I get:
Q424 Q425 Q426 Q427 Q420
-0.71V -7.2V  -9.7V -9.7V -3.54V

The cap C457 has +12.4 Š.. -12.2 across it.

I checked the cam fork and it was the opposite side to my ZX9, so corrected
that.
(Cheryl, are those photos available somewhere?)

But still there is problem above and I am not sure where to go now.

David

From:  Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
Reply-To:  Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Date:  Tuesday, 29 May 2012 2:04 AM
To:  Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject:  Re: [naktalk] 682ZX not playing

> The spooling motor is run by the same two transistor configuration as the cam
> motor.  Check those two for an emitter/collector short.
> 
> Willy
> 
> 
>> 
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From fred at marrscom.com  Tue May 29 18:29:43 2012
From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 11:29:43 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 5-29-12  SINGLE FACTORY CAPSTANS, NOW AVAILABLE !
Message-ID: <4FC4F977.1060102@marrscom.com>



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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Wed May 30 13:31:35 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 07:31:35 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re:nak 682zx not playing
Message-ID: <ljuhxm5p0cep2sxhknxgoi1r.1338377495102@email.android.com>

The transport disassembly/reassembly and restore pics series and instructions link to the cloud server is located on tapeheads.net in the DIY section and on audiokarma.org as a sticky in the Tape forum. With a bit of common sense, most is applicable to any standard classic transport. Sounds like you also missed getting the feedback potentiometer "U" fork position on the correct part of the cam when you reassembled the two halves after changing the idler tire. Study the photos and keyed instructions carefully.




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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Wed May 30 13:41:28 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 07:41:28 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: RX-505 TIMING
Message-ID: <pw5lollihujlctb890cybj4a.1338378088772@email.android.com>

Blown fuses are nothing to worry about, 99% of the time, as long as you know what you did to blow them. If they blow on their own, then you have a problem. Cheryl did a good job explaining it. Thanks, kiddo! Pic 3032 shows the business side of the cam. From the center axle of the cam you can see a short straight section that runs to the inside of the cam proper. The position feedback potentiomter "U" must straddle that straight section, of the deck "thinks" it is in a position that it is not.  If you did not consciensely position the "U" over that straight part, then you likely mised it. Sounds like David has the same issue wth his 682zx.




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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Wed May 30 13:48:05 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 07:48:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: RX-505 TIMING
Message-ID: <24f531h4xxb55tnaow7x17cm.1338378485635@email.android.com>

Also pic 3023 shows the two halves of the transport separated. If you flip over the lower one in the pic, it mates with the upper one. The "U" is clearly seen on the small wheel, filled with old grease, in the correct position, so that if flipped over, it will straddle the only straight section of the inner part of the cam. Let us know if anything else is unclear.




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From davidt124 at internode.on.net  Thu May 31 09:14:42 2012
From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:14:42 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re:nak 682zx not playing
In-Reply-To: <ljuhxm5p0cep2sxhknxgoi1r.1338377495102@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CBED5061.97A9%davidt124@internode.on.net>

Perry

Thanks for the links - found it eventually. I will check it again.
Do you mean that the fork sits over that bar inside the wheel?
I am going to send the deck to a tech before I mess it further.

David

On 30/05/12 9:31 PM, "Perry.nak" <perry.nak at comcast.net> wrote:

>The transport disassembly/reassembly and restore pics series and
>instructions link to the cloud server is located on tapeheads.net in the
>DIY section and on audiokarma.org as a sticky in the Tape forum. With a
>bit of common sense, most is applicable to any standard classic
>transport. Sounds like you also missed getting the feedback potentiometer
>"U" fork position on the correct part of the cam when you reassembled the
>two halves after changing the idler tire. Study the photos and keyed
>instructions carefully.
>
>
>
>
>Sent from my NOOK
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Thu May 31 13:34:31 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 07:34:31 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: 682ZX
Message-ID: <rkr2n1p32yldn98l2yjioqn8.1338464071112@email.android.com>

David, yes, the pot fork goes on top of/ over the straight bar molded into the cam. I should have mentioned that the pic tutorial is titled "RX-303/505 belt and idler tire replacement". Would probably have been easier to find if you knew what it was called. "Sorry about that, Chief!"




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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Thu May 31 19:46:08 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 07:46:08 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] RE: RX-505 TIMING
In-Reply-To: <24f531h4xxb55tnaow7x17cm.1338378485635@email.android.com>
References: <24f531h4xxb55tnaow7x17cm.1338378485635@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP263F4C2A29BEBFC46D93513860B0@phx.gbl>


Thanks Perry. That was the part that I forgot to say.

Also, think of it this way: The "U" shape is cleary made in a "U" shape for
a reason -- to straddle the ridge. If it was meant to fit inside the slotted
area it wouldn't be a "U" shape. When I assembled mine incorrectly I had the
"U" within the slotted partition. If you cannot manually rotate the cam
through all of the positions (off, play, record, pause, etc) then you
definitely have the "U" in the wrong place. If you can't manually do it,
then neither can the machine. You can actually check this before you
reinstall the transport into the machine and possibly save yourself some
work.

Aloha,
Cheryl





-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Perry.nak
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:48 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] RE: RX-505 TIMING

Also pic 3023 shows the two halves of the transport separated. If you flip
over the lower one in the pic, it mates with the upper one. The "U" is
clearly seen on the small wheel, filled with old grease, in the correct
position, so that if flipped over, it will straddle the only straight
section of the inner part of the cam. Let us know if anything else is
unclear.




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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  1 01:28:18 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:28:18 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
In-Reply-To: <staq1oq0hfycm86xcejb61ug.1351688830343@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1963D7F2464C8F46392394586600@phx.gbl>



Sure thing Perry. I knew you knew...

I remember when the STOP light went out on my 581. I had just replaced all
the PP caps and it was working great. I walked away for a while and when I
came back the output was gone. It was hair-pulling time. I spent way too
much time going over all of the work I had just done -- of course, it was to
no avail. Then I just happened to notice the burnt out bulb and remembered
seeing something on the wiki about the STOP bulb muting the output. Thank
goodness because it would have been easy to waste days looking for the
problem. 

Aloha,
Cheryl

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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Perry.nak
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:07 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb

You're very welcome. Thanks for catching that Cheryl. I knew it was the Stop
bulb, I've done enough of them, but I just kept typing Play. Old age I
guess. It's an easy fix, clearly defined in the service bulletin in the
wiki.




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From adrian at mechner.net  Thu Nov  1 01:49:45 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:49:45 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
In-Reply-To: <BAY156-W1244365A1B509C2076B406E3610@phx.gbl>
References: <staq1oq0hfycm86xcejb61ug.1351688830343@email.android.com>,
	<BAY156-W135E91595E2D2A126AA2C4E3610@phx.gbl>,
	<000a01cdb7b2$eabae130$c030a390$@mechner.net>
	<BAY156-W1244365A1B509C2076B406E3610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000701cdb7ca$c9fadc30$5df09490$@mechner.net>

I was asking because I thought you might do it that way


You don’t need to do anything else than open the cover (no front panel or
anything else). Get a visual contact to the rear of the switch (you need to
move a little bit some wires (carefully!!!).

Once you get the visual to the rear of the switch, pry open it only as much
as you need to insert the tube of an air pressure spray. Blow some air, and
after that insert in the same place the tube of your clean/lube spray. I
advise you to place a paper towel between the two boards (basically
underneath the switch). This will keep the overflow from going into unwanted
places. The whole operation should take no more than 3-5 min. While spraying
the cleaner/lube, hold the deck lifted towards back.

Good luck,

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of pieter rodgers
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:38 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb

 

I sprayed it with some contact spray. during recording the level sometimes
dropped on the right. after turning thes Switch a couple of times it was
over.. I used a contact spray and now it works fine.. except for that first
winding of the tape..
think I will take it off again and re-assemble
 
thanks
 

  _____  

From: adrian at mechner.net <mailto:adrian at mechner.net> 
To: naktalk at naks.com <mailto:naktalk at naks.com> 
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:58:52 -0700

To solve the tape/source dial issue you don’t need to take the front of in
the first place.

It looks like you did something wrong; I would open it again and assamble it
very carefully.

What exactly did you do with the tape/source dial?

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com>
[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of pieter rodgers
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:20 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com <mailto:naktalk at naks.com> 
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb

 

hiya all..
 
I recently have taken the front off of my zx-9 to get to the pots (needed to
get the tape/ source switch to funktion correctly, which it does..) and
after assembling  it again I have the following problem: when I insert a
cassette it does not fast forward.. it tries to, but it can´t.. everything
else works fine (even when I close the door without a tape it will fast
forward for a sec...).. did not have this Problem before..
must admit I had a hell of a time wrigling the front back on again!! should
I remove the front again, see if it winds and then try to assemlbe again
with great care?? anyone a tip on what and what not to do (besides the
obvious: let someone with more Know-how have a gander ;)  )
 
joy..
pieter, germany
 

> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:07:10 -0400
> From: perry.nak at comcast.net <mailto:perry.nak at comcast.net> 
> To: naktalk at naks.com <mailto:naktalk at naks.com> 
> Subject: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
> 
> You're very welcome. Thanks for catching that Cheryl. I knew it was the
Stop bulb, I've done enough of them, but I just kept typing Play. Old age I
guess. It's an easy fix, clearly defined in the service bulletin in the
wiki.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Nov  1 11:21:29 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:21:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] renewed vintagecassette website
Message-ID: <e5cfac8286b8304123b32d83b8ebebd6.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Hi Everyone,

Vintagecassette.com is renewed! The main improvement is the listing of
items for sale next to each product has changed, now the right (eBay)
auctions should show with decks, useful to buy these and other
accessories/parts like belts.
Also the display of the pages have been optimized for the higher
resolution screens visitors to the site use these days..

Hope you all enjoy the site!

Wouter



From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  1 13:41:08 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 22:41:08 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] renewed vintagecassette website
In-Reply-To: <e5cfac8286b8304123b32d83b8ebebd6.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <e5cfac8286b8304123b32d83b8ebebd6.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <8D33A1E5-B85C-4AF3-A62A-C4155541611D@yahoo.com>

Hi Wouter,

The new layout is nice and 'tablet friendly'! 

Sent from my iPad

On 1 Nov, 2012, at 8:21 PM, "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Vintagecassette.com is renewed! The main improvement is the listing of
> items for sale next to each product has changed, now the right (eBay)
> auctions should show with decks, useful to buy these and other
> accessories/parts like belts.
> Also the display of the pages have been optimized for the higher
> resolution screens visitors to the site use these days..
> 
> Hope you all enjoy the site!
> 
> Wouter
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Thu Nov  1 13:15:27 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 08:15:27 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 FF problem
Message-ID: <u0gbey76dw5hqf98hld7x1gd.1351772127677@email.android.com>

I agree, you likely jammed something into the transport slightly, or the faceplate is not aligned correctly now. That is easy to do on the ZX-7/9 decks . Make sure you feed the cables from the faceplate carefully back through the openings as you maneuver the face plate back in place, looking at the transport from underneath. I have had similar issues where it works perfectly with the faceplate loose and pulled away, but not right when fastened down, and it has always been a positioning/wire feed error. You did not remove the vanity plate (the reel cover plate behind the cassette) by any chance? If not put back on right it will do just that, also.




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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  2 12:13:34 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 12:13:34 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
In-Reply-To: <000701cdb7ca$c9fadc30$5df09490$@mechner.net>
References: <staq1oq0hfycm86xcejb61ug.1351688830343@email.android.com>, ,
	<BAY156-W135E91595E2D2A126AA2C4E3610@phx.gbl>, ,
	<000a01cdb7b2$eabae130$c030a390$@mechner.net>,
	<BAY156-W1244365A1B509C2076B406E3610@phx.gbl>,
	<000701cdb7ca$c9fadc30$5df09490$@mechner.net>
Message-ID: <BAY156-W127A41A5CE11668FC943B9E3670@phx.gbl>


thanx for your input. I haven´t come round to taking the cover off again and see where the problem exactly lies.
 
greetz

 pieter

From: adrian at mechner.net
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:49:45 -0700








I was asking because I thought you might do it that way…
You don’t need to do anything else than open the cover (no front panel or anything else). Get a visual contact to the rear of the switch (you need to move a little bit some wires (carefully!!!).
Once you get the visual to the rear of the switch, pry open it only as much as you need to insert the tube of an air pressure spray. Blow some air, and after that insert in the same place the tube of your clean/lube spray. I advise you to place a paper towel between the two boards (basically underneath the switch). This will keep the overflow from going into unwanted places. The whole operation should take no more than 3-5 min. While spraying the cleaner/lube, hold the deck lifted towards back.
Good luck,
Adrian
 


From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of pieter rodgers
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:38 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
 

I sprayed it with some contact spray. during recording the level sometimes dropped on the right. after turning thes Switch a couple of times it was over.. I used a contact spray and now it works fine.. except for that first winding of the tape..
think I will take it off again and re-assemble
 
thanks
 




From: adrian at mechner.net
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:58:52 -0700

To solve the tape/source dial issue you don’t need to take the front of in the first place.
It looks like you did something wrong; I would open it again and assamble it very carefully.
What exactly did you do with the tape/source dial?
Adrian
 


From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of pieter rodgers
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:20 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
 

hiya all..
 
I recently have taken the front off of my zx-9 to get to the pots (needed to get the tape/ source switch to funktion correctly, which it does..) and after assembling  it again I have the following problem: when I insert a cassette it does not fast forward.. it tries to, but it can´t.. everything else works fine (even when I close the door without a tape it will fast forward for a sec...).. did not have this Problem before..
must admit I had a hell of a time wrigling the front back on again!! should I remove the front again, see if it winds and then try to assemlbe again with great care?? anyone a tip on what and what not to do (besides the obvious: let someone with more Know-how have a gander ;)  )
 
joy..
pieter, germany
 

> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:07:10 -0400
> From: perry.nak at comcast.net
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
> 
> You're very welcome. Thanks for catching that Cheryl. I knew it was the Stop bulb, I've done enough of them, but I just kept typing Play. Old age I guess. It's an easy fix, clearly defined in the service bulletin in the wiki.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl  Wed Nov  7 22:15:31 2012
From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 22:15:31 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Gauge M9051
Message-ID: <3CDF7EC9-B080-4AB3-A1D6-F09618C66D68@ziggo.nl>

Hi all,

I wonder if there is someone who has the Nakamichi M9051 gauge for sale?
I have a double set of Nakamichi M9040 eh tilt check gauge for the classic transport.
 Maybe we can switch.

Reactions: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com

Regards Norman

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From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Tue Nov 13 16:44:33 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:44:33 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Bias Oscillator Unit
Message-ID: <50A26AE1.50101@univ-rennes1.fr>

I came to open the Bias Oscillator unit of a BX-2.
Here is a picture of it once opened: the "usual" 2 transistors/3 caps 
configuration is found.

However, the transistors are " C2002 L126A " : cannot find it anymore, 
what would be a replacement?

the caps are labelled " .0027K " and " .0022K " (There is indeed a dot 
printed before the number). No voltage indication.
if K means 10%, what does mean the indication: is it 0,027 (and 0,022) 
microFarad or what else?

Same question for the BO unit of RX-505 in which the transistors are 
D592 R41 and the capacitors are ".0027K" and ".0018K"

Thanks for your reply

bernard
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Tue Nov 13 18:14:27 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:14:27 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Bias Oscillator Unit
In-Reply-To: <50A26AE1.50101@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <50A26AE1.50101@univ-rennes1.fr>
Message-ID: <CAM9V8McABV0WXNF9y_DzSUreZGMtS9RE7-WPKS38aDY0d9nPbg@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry - not a clue.  I always replace it as a unit although I can't
remember the last time I found one in need of replacement.
Willy


On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:44 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:

> I came to open the Bias Oscillator unit of a BX-2.
> Here is a picture of it once opened: the "usual" 2 transistors/3 caps
> configuration is found.
>
> However, the transistors are " C2002 L126A " : cannot find it anymore,
> what would be a replacement?
>
> the caps are labelled " .0027K " and " .0022K " (There is indeed a dot
> printed before the number). No voltage indication.
> if K means 10%, what does mean the indication: is it 0,027 (and 0,022)
> microFarad or what else?
>
> Same question for the BO unit of RX-505 in which the transistors are D592
> R41 and the capacitors are ".0027K" and ".0018K"
>
> Thanks for your reply
>
> bernard
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From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl  Tue Nov 13 19:05:01 2012
From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:05:01 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Bias Oscillator Unit
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8McABV0WXNF9y_DzSUreZGMtS9RE7-WPKS38aDY0d9nPbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50A26AE1.50101@univ-rennes1.fr>
	<CAM9V8McABV0WXNF9y_DzSUreZGMtS9RE7-WPKS38aDY0d9nPbg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8938C56E-6F87-4364-81A5-14D2B8E5ABFC@ziggo.nl>

Hi Bernard,

The code c 2002  means 2sc2002 . 2sc means a Japannees transistor.
On ebay you can find  them .
Ebay auction 200799054783


Best regards

Norman

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Op 13 nov. 2012 om 18:14 heeft Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> het volgende geschreven:

> Sorry - not a clue.  I always replace it as a unit although I can't remember the last time I found one in need of replacement.
> Willy
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:44 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:
>> I came to open the Bias Oscillator unit of a BX-2.
>> Here is a picture of it once opened: the "usual" 2 transistors/3 caps configuration is found.
>> 
>> However, the transistors are " C2002 L126A " : cannot find it anymore, what would be a replacement?
>> 
>> the caps are labelled " .0027K " and " .0022K " (There is indeed a dot printed before the number). No voltage indication.
>> if K means 10%, what does mean the indication: is it 0,027 (and 0,022) microFarad or what else?
>> 
>> Same question for the BO unit of RX-505 in which the transistors are D592 R41 and the capacitors are ".0027K" and ".0018K"
>> 
>> Thanks for your reply
>> 
>> bernard
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From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Wed Nov 14 08:44:51 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:44:51 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Bias Oscillator Unit
In-Reply-To: <8938C56E-6F87-4364-81A5-14D2B8E5ABFC@ziggo.nl>
References: <50A26AE1.50101@univ-rennes1.fr>	<CAM9V8McABV0WXNF9y_DzSUreZGMtS9RE7-WPKS38aDY0d9nPbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8938C56E-6F87-4364-81A5-14D2B8E5ABFC@ziggo.nl>
Message-ID: <50A34BF3.3040707@univ-rennes1.fr>

Thanks Willy and Norman,

Willy, my idea was to be able to reproduce this Bias Unit as it is no 
longer available and as the various models (either for BX-2 Head series 
or BX-300/RX-series) differ only by the resistors, caps and transitors, 
the little PCB beind the same

Here is a better picture of the caps with their actual label. Could 
someone confirm that this is a 0.022 microFarad ?
I remember that someone here did the same for the RX series and stated 
that it was a 0.018 microFarad (for a ".0018" label)

Have a nice day
bernard




Le 13/11/2012 19:05, Ziggo a écrit :
> Hi Bernard,
>
> The code c 2002  means 2sc2002 . 2sc means a Japannees transistor.
> On ebay you can find  them .
> Ebay auction 200799054783
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Norman
>
> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
>
> Op 13 nov. 2012 om 18:14 heeft Willy Hermann 
> <willy at willyhermannservices.com 
> <mailto:willy at willyhermannservices.com>> het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Sorry - not a clue.  I always replace it as a unit although I can't 
>> remember the last time I found one in need of replacement.
>> Willy
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:44 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr 
>> <mailto:bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr>> wrote:
>>
>>     I came to open the Bias Oscillator unit of a BX-2.
>>     Here is a picture of it once opened: the "usual" 2 transistors/3
>>     caps configuration is found.
>>
>>     However, the transistors are " C2002 L126A " : cannot find it
>>     anymore, what would be a replacement?
>>
>>     the caps are labelled " .0027K " and " .0022K " (There is indeed
>>     a dot printed before the number). No voltage indication.
>>     if K means 10%, what does mean the indication: is it 0,027 (and
>>     0,022) microFarad or what else?
>>
>>     Same question for the BO unit of RX-505 in which the transistors
>>     are D592 R41 and the capacitors are ".0027K" and ".0018K"
>>
>>     Thanks for your reply
>>
>>     bernard
>>
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 09:19:51 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:19:51 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Bias Oscillator Unit
In-Reply-To: <50A26AE1.50101@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <50A26AE1.50101@univ-rennes1.fr>
Message-ID: <E09DFE3E-8488-4460-A69B-15787506C652@gmail.com>

The caps   schould be 0,0027uF, that is same like 2700pF.

You find them in the SERVICE Manual too.

to replace  the transistors look at google " replacement for",,,,,,,,,

The better way is to take them from a spare Deck like 480 or 580.-

You can buy new replacement  transistors.
but look close to the technical data .  make shure that the  bais  
emitter and collector are on the same side.
At least you have to know where they are.
lots of old Japanese transistors are different  in this point.

If you  did find them in the manual, let me know, I think a have them .

Gerhard
Am 13.11.2012 um 16:44 schrieb bb:

> I came to open the Bias Oscillator unit of a BX-2.
> Here is a picture of it once opened: the "usual" 2 transistors/3  
> caps configuration is found.
>
> However, the transistors are " C2002 L126A " : cannot find it  
> anymore, what would be a replacement?
>
> the caps are labelled " .0027K " and " .0022K " (There is indeed a  
> dot printed before the number). No voltage indication.
> if K means 10%, what does mean the indication: is it 0,027 (and  
> 0,022) microFarad or what else?
>
> Same question for the BO unit of RX-505 in which the transistors  
> are D592 R41 and the capacitors are ".0027K" and ".0018K"
>
> Thanks for your reply
>
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 15 22:45:57 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:45:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Bias Oscillator Unit
In-Reply-To: <50A26AE1.50101@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <50A26AE1.50101@univ-rennes1.fr>
Message-ID: <1353015957.77261.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

In all probability, the transistoris 2SC2002 -- look for it on ebay. 

The cap is probably 0.0027uF +/- 10%, etc. Try to a find polypropylene cap. 

-- Ron



>________________________________
> From: bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:44 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Bias Oscillator Unit
> 
>I came to open the Bias Oscillator unit of a BX-2.
>Here is a picture of it once opened: the "usual" 2 transistors/3 caps configuration is found.
>
>However, the transistors are " C2002 L126A " : cannot find it anymore, what would be a replacement?
>
>the caps are labelled " .0027K " and " .0022K " (There is indeed a dot printed before the number). No voltage indication.
>if K means 10%, what does mean the indication: is it 0,027 (and 0,022) microFarad or what else?
>
>Same question for the BO unit of RX-505 in which the transistors are D592 R41 and the capacitors are ".0027K" and ".0018K"
>
>Thanks for your reply
>
>bernard
>
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From n.van.wijnen at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 23:45:30 2012
From: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 23:45:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Lamp from cassettedoor
Message-ID: <3BA12D00-98D6-4368-BAC3-AC8578F42CB0@gmail.com>

Hi all ,

I'm searching for the value of the zx7 zx9 lamp inside the cassetteholder/door  mechanism.

I could not find it in the manual

Any idea?

Regards

Norman

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From erstedbar at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 19 01:48:35 2012
From: erstedbar at yahoo.com (Ersted Bar)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:48:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Lamp from cassettedoor
Message-ID: <1353286115.52098.BPMail_high_carrier@web121804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>


Help!Needs eject lever for 680ZX!




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On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:45 PM PST Norman van Wijnen wrote:

>Hi all ,
>
>I'm searching for the value of the zx7 zx9 lamp inside the cassetteholder/door  mechanism.
>
>I could not find it in the manual
>
>Any idea?
>
>Regards
>
>Norman
>
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From letsboogienow at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 24 22:29:05 2012
From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (M I)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:29:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 stopping during PB
Message-ID: <BLU169-W263F437F136FC0E403A564BE590@phx.gbl>


Hi All:
 
Have a CR7 that stops while playback. Upon immediately checking the cassette, the tape is not wound snugly in the shell and its loose. this happens on all cassettes I have tried. Rewind and FF are very strong and prior to this the deck worked well. 
 
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Hopefully its not a big problem since I am not a techie.
 
Cheers
 
 		 	   		  
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From ct.waveform at googlemail.com  Sun Nov 25 00:03:06 2012
From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 23:03:06 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 stopping during PB
In-Reply-To: <BLU169-W263F437F136FC0E403A564BE590@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU169-W263F437F136FC0E403A564BE590@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CANj54jwrCsiSR1aURRFmt=7-_L6QS1VH6fNs8qTxw9NwgODB9A@mail.gmail.com>

This seems to be classic nak behaviour when the motor grease thickens with
age. Put it on fast forward and then lm rewind for a few hours each with no
tape, and it will likely loosen up.

Christian

There is a post of mine from years ago that covers this and other remedies.

On Saturday, 24 November 2012, M I <letsboogienow at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Have a CR7 that stops while playback. Upon immediately checking the
cassette, the tape is not wound snugly in the shell and its loose. this
happens on all cassettes I have tried. Rewind and FF are very strong and
prior to this the deck worked well.
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Hopefully its not a big
problem since I am not a techie.
>
> Cheers
>
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From wnn523484 at telfort.nl  Sun Nov 25 11:47:47 2012
From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:47:47 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 stopping during PB
In-Reply-To: <201211251126.qAPB7kaV002663@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <4FC4F269000430AC@mta-nl-9.mail.tiscali.sys>

Hi,

Don't know about greased up motor as problem for stopping play.

Two usual cause I find is motor torque adjustment is low, mostly due to corroded
potentiometer. I cure this by whiping the pot a few times. Sometimes I put
a drop of alcohol, I do not care to much for aggressive corrosion dissolvers
in these delicate places.

Cheers,
Henk Schenk
(sorry: My Nakamichi website is disfunct at this time)


>Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:29:05 -0500
>From: M I <letsboogienow at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] CR7 stopping during PB
>
>Hi All:
> 
>Have a CR7 that stops while playback. Upon immediately checking the cassette,
>the tape is not wound snugly in the shell and its loose. this happens on
>all cassettes I have tried. Rewind and FF are very strong and prior to this
>the deck worked well. 
> 
>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Hopefully its not a big problem
>since I am not a techie.
> 
>Cheers
> 
>From: Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 stopping during PB
>
>This seems to be classic nak behaviour when the motor grease thickens with
>age. Put it on fast forward and then lm rewind for a few hours each with
>no
>tape, and it will likely loosen up.
>
>Christian
>
>There is a post of mine from years ago that covers this and other remedies.
>


       




From perry.nak at comcast.net  Sun Nov 25 13:49:49 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:49:49 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7stop during playback
Message-ID: <515409452-1353847793-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1809935319-@b3.c16.bise6.blackberry>

I ran into this recently on 2 CR decks and it was a combination of a few things. Regardless if FF &REW are strong, (it was on this one too) a different voltage is applied during playback, and the motor still turns slower. Could be the dreaded dead spots on the reel motor issue. Sometimes, just increasing the torque voltage cures this, but FF and REW it a few times end to end with a tape, and see if it helps.  If it is an idler tire version, then the tire needs replacing. What I found on these, though was that in play mode, the brake was not releasing completely so there was drag on the reels. Not enough to affect FF but definitely affected play. To test this, put the deck in play mode (no door cover or tape) and the take up reel should be turning fairly strongly. It should not easily stop with your finger. The supply reel should have the slightest drag. If it is at all difficult to turn, then the brakes have not fully disengaged. The brakes on the CR series are poor compared to the standard transport, just a clear soft silicone sleeve over a nylon plunger. When these decks sit for a long time, unused, the silicone sticks to the reel and when actuated will get slightly pulled off the plunger and drag. Sometimes, repeated operation of play,stop,play,stop many times , with no cassette in place, will reseat it, and it is "fixed" until the next time it sits a long time and gets unseated again.
Perry Esposito - From my phone



From uraldurusu at ttmail.com  Mon Nov 26 12:10:20 2012
From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (uraldurusu)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:10:20 +0200
Subject: YNT: [naktalk] CR7 stopping during PB
References: <BLU169-W263F437F136FC0E403A564BE590@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171563@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL>

I had such a problem with mine and was disappeared when I have replaced the idler tire.
 
Regards,
Ural Durusu

________________________________

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Gönderilmiş: Cmt 24.11.2012 23:29
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Konu: [naktalk] CR7 stopping during PB


Hi All:
 
Have a CR7 that stops while playback. Upon immediately checking the cassette, the tape is not wound snugly in the shell and its loose. this happens on all cassettes I have tried. Rewind and FF are very strong and prior to this the deck worked well. 
 
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Hopefully its not a big problem since I am not a techie.
 
Cheers
 

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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 17:10:22 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:10:22 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Gauge M9051
In-Reply-To: <3CDF7EC9-B080-4AB3-A1D6-F09618C66D68@ziggo.nl>
References: <3CDF7EC9-B080-4AB3-A1D6-F09618C66D68@ziggo.nl>
Message-ID: <CAAqwSUZV=5qMkmx0m+Xgj+_ZYMX0Caskh98rpMiC26gq-zaqVw@mail.gmail.com>

Norman,
   I have an extra, but quite frankly, your tilt gauge is worth 5 times
what the stroke gauge is worth. I use the Information Terminals M300
(repros available from both Willy and me) for all stroke check alignments.
Sell your tilt gauge and you will have money left after buying the M9051.

tom brucker

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Ziggo <n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I wonder if there is someone who has the Nakamichi M9051 gauge for sale?
> I have a double set of Nakamichi M9040 eh tilt check gauge for the classic
> transport.
>  Maybe we can switch.
>
> Reactions: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
>
> Regards Norman
>
> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
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Nashville, TN USA
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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 17:20:31 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:20:31 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...
In-Reply-To: <000001cdb1b8$81b4eff0$851ecfd0$@net>
References: <000001cdb1b8$81b4eff0$851ecfd0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAAqwSUbT8tH+JKDefhhX1qOibFJitn1o8GeNv_TwmFcYTKnjMA@mail.gmail.com>

This and one other ebay "Nak repair service" irritate me to no end, however
I have an open mind. Until this Chicago "master" joins one of the tape
forums, we'll never know. Self-proclamation is a weak reference. One gauge
does not make a good Nak tech.  Years ago there were 2 knon Nak service
options, ESL and Steve Sank. When I joined NakTalk, Sank had gone
underground, and i went back into the cassette business. I knew Willy
Herman through personal contacts, and encouraged him to work on Naks again.
We both began without reputations, and hopefully have earned some respect
not through our work and by being active on forums.
   I don't think you will ever catch Willy, Perry, or I, or any of our
other repairing members, claim to be "The BEST". We've all been humbled but
tough jobs too many times!  I think at times we give ESL good competition
when money is factored into the equation. ESL has more resources, and
longer continuous experience, and as far as I know, is flawless in their
work. maybe we just hand them the BEST trophy and continue to listen to
tapes.

tom brucker

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

> Well, it looks like someone claims to be the best around. You need to read
> the post to find that out.****
>
> Question:****
>
> Would anyone buy this deck? For this price?****
>
> I’m simply asking because if I would own this deck in this beat-up
> condition, I would most likely avoid to have more cash put into it, however
> not anyone thinks like me, this is why I’m asking.****
>
> Link:****
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-3-Head-dual-capstan-cassette-Deck-Restored-by-master-tech-/120996688696?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1c2bf6f338
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Adrian****
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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 17:26:32 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:26:32 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] RX202 for parts
In-Reply-To: <SNT142-ds3CAF6F706E84B2ACE9B88DE770@phx.gbl>
References: <201210171958.q9HJnS8x026476@zxe.naks.com>
	<SNT142-ds3CAF6F706E84B2ACE9B88DE770@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAAqwSUafQEu=QaEx=mTJBkC22yOodP1HmHVEyanS6E_pJPnZnA@mail.gmail.com>

Where is your home? In the USA it would cost much less to get the deck
repaired.  FF/RW issues are a simple to replace idler tire, or a reel motor
replacement. If you have given up on the deck I would be interested, unless
you are overseas; postage costs are a factor.
my email is hitech at birch.net
tom brucker

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Art Zawodny <azawodny at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I have a non working RX 202. If anyone is in need of a "donor" machine to
> keep theirs going please let me know. I disassembled it thinking it just
> needed a belt but this version doesn't use that belt.  Will not play or
> FF/RW tapes.
>
> Not paying $700 to have it refurbed as I never listen to cassettes
> anymore. Also have the original manual and sales brochure.
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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 17:29:33 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:29:33 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Calibration of Nakamichi decks
In-Reply-To: <F0F47E2C-384F-4505-9AEB-C30104E29AEC@ziggo.nl>
References: <614D6014-1EC2-424D-A660-483044A841A6@yahoo.com>
	<1349734762.91520.YahooMailClassic@web122004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<000c01cda5b0$8dcc8370$a9658a50$@com.au>
	<F0F47E2C-384F-4505-9AEB-C30104E29AEC@ziggo.nl>
Message-ID: <CAAqwSUb-GVyWB_M=ib0rdQLzcMSLjrfqxu6sC5HnYNQBKGq6mQ@mail.gmail.com>

Anything in the 481 or 581 calibration is NOT to be applied to
480/482/580/582 calibration procedures. The quasi 3 head decks use a trick
to allow calibration without full monitoring,  and this is why the levels
are different.

tom brucker

On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Ziggo <n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am working on a nak 482 and i wonder why Nakamichi sometimes do there
> calibration with 90 mv and sometimes with 100 mv.
>  I read that difference in the manuals from the 482z and the 481 .
>
> Who has a idea?
>
> Best regards
>
> Norman
>
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From nakdoc77 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 17:36:59 2012
From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:36:59 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Car stereo fans please take note-TD500/TD700 gear
Message-ID: <CAAqwSUZy4S9Hu-VTSsk1Nw6JxttM_yp4qC5j+bLSEAeQ3Mb8FQ@mail.gmail.com>

My machinist has just informed me that he will machine the TD 700 loading
gear in brass, with availability in 4 weeks!  I have 6 decks in my shop
right now that need gears. I will be selling the gear to anyone in the Nak
community, so keep your eyes open for my announcement after I test the
brass gear.  If you have TD500, 700, or the TD1000 in a closet somewhere,
consider having it repaired. These are, to my mind, the best sounding car
decks real people can afford!
I believe the gear will be $30-$33 US. Send an email if you wish to reserve
gears. Do not send money at this time.

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From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl  Wed Nov 28 18:24:29 2012
From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:24:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Gauge M9051
In-Reply-To: <CAAqwSUZV=5qMkmx0m+Xgj+_ZYMX0Caskh98rpMiC26gq-zaqVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3CDF7EC9-B080-4AB3-A1D6-F09618C66D68@ziggo.nl>
	<CAAqwSUZV=5qMkmx0m+Xgj+_ZYMX0Caskh98rpMiC26gq-zaqVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B017C426-5353-46A3-AAD7-7541B9F997EB@ziggo.nl>

Hi Tom,

If i can buy that unit from you, you will make me very happy. 
What is the price you want to have for it?

Best regards,

Norman

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

Op 28 nov. 2012 om 17:10 heeft Tom Brucker <nakdoc77 at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

> Norman,
>    I have an extra, but quite frankly, your tilt gauge is worth 5 times what the stroke gauge is worth. I use the Information Terminals M300 (repros available from both Willy and me) for all stroke check alignments. Sell your tilt gauge and you will have money left after buying the M9051.
> 
> tom brucker
> 
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Ziggo <n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I wonder if there is someone who has the Nakamichi M9051 gauge for sale?
>> I have a double set of Nakamichi M9040 eh tilt check gauge for the classic transport.
>>  Maybe we can switch.
>> 
>> Reactions: n.van.wijnen at gmail.com
>> 
>> Regards Norman
>> 
>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tom Brucker
> Hi Tech Service
> 2934 Nolensville Pike
> Nashville, TN USA
> 37220
> hitech77 at earthlink.net
> 
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Wed Nov 28 19:24:19 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:24:19 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...
In-Reply-To: <CAAqwSUbT8tH+JKDefhhX1qOibFJitn1o8GeNv_TwmFcYTKnjMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001cdb1b8$81b4eff0$851ecfd0$@net>
	<CAAqwSUbT8tH+JKDefhhX1qOibFJitn1o8GeNv_TwmFcYTKnjMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM9V8Mfby=BWStJ_A4dmQTR3tvfR5bpax4ZkyRq0uJ46Kik6iA@mail.gmail.com>

Bravo, Tom.  Agreed wholeheartedly.
Willy


On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Tom Brucker <nakdoc77 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This and one other ebay "Nak repair service" irritate me to no end,
> however I have an open mind. Until this Chicago "master" joins one of the
> tape forums, we'll never know. Self-proclamation is a weak reference. One
> gauge does not make a good Nak tech.  Years ago there were 2 knon Nak
> service options, ESL and Steve Sank. When I joined NakTalk, Sank had gone
> underground, and i went back into the cassette business. I knew Willy
> Herman through personal contacts, and encouraged him to work on Naks again.
> We both began without reputations, and hopefully have earned some respect
> not through our work and by being active on forums.
>    I don't think you will ever catch Willy, Perry, or I, or any of our
> other repairing members, claim to be "The BEST". We've all been humbled but
> tough jobs too many times!  I think at times we give ESL good competition
> when money is factored into the equation. ESL has more resources, and
> longer continuous experience, and as far as I know, is flawless in their
> work. maybe we just hand them the BEST trophy and continue to listen to
> tapes.
>
> tom brucker
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>wrote:
>
>> Well, it looks like someone claims to be the best around. You need to
>> read the post to find that out.****
>>
>> Question:****
>>
>> Would anyone buy this deck? For this price?****
>>
>> I’m simply asking because if I would own this deck in this beat-up
>> condition, I would most likely avoid to have more cash put into it, however
>> not anyone thinks like me, this is why I’m asking.****
>>
>> Link:****
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-3-Head-dual-capstan-cassette-Deck-Restored-by-master-tech-/120996688696?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1c2bf6f338
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Adrian****
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From solexny at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 18:51:55 2012
From: solexny at gmail.com (Dan Moy)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:51:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] For Sale BX-300 -- $300 shipped CONUSA
Message-ID: <CANyhGbtcpDdWNzTsuBTYBBO9tX7Ow4ck_YiscAJxmO6S8+UTng@mail.gmail.com>

I'm the second owner of this unit and have change the idler tire.
 Physically it is great except a scratch on the top of the unit in the back
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/ele/3422515527.html

The price also includes 220+ tapes, I'm going to put this on eBay this
weekend so please let me know if you are interested.

Regards,
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From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Wed Nov 28 19:24:58 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:24:58 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...
In-Reply-To: <CAAqwSUbT8tH+JKDefhhX1qOibFJitn1o8GeNv_TwmFcYTKnjMA@mail.gmail.com>
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Years ago I removed the transport from one of my 1000zxl's and sent it to ESL after I replaced the heads to have it aligned, as I don't own all the alignment gauges needed to do it myself. I made a power supply to power the transport packed it up in a metal box and mailed it out. I bet ESL still remembers that metal box. Anyhow the job they did was impeccable and since I removed the transport myself the cost was not that bad, not cheap but not that bad. Since then I have become quite intimate with the electrical workings of the 1000zxl, I am a EE by profession. But without owning all the gauges I can't see how anyone could call themselves a master. Considering the cost of some of them when you could get them from nak I doubt there are many people that own all of them.  I would be very leery of any individual  claiming to be a Nak master, maybe Ozzie at Nak in CA when he worked there but that was a long time ago.
And Willy, I have not forgotten about posting the corrected procedure for the step 13 in the 1000zxl, I am off the last 3 weeks in Dec. I plan on digging my notes out then.
Scott

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:21 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...

This and one other ebay "Nak repair service" irritate me to no end, however I have an open mind. Until this Chicago "master" joins one of the tape forums, we'll never know. Self-proclamation is a weak reference. One gauge does not make a good Nak tech.  Years ago there were 2 knon Nak service options, ESL and Steve Sank. When I joined NakTalk, Sank had gone underground, and i went back into the cassette business. I knew Willy Herman through personal contacts, and encouraged him to work on Naks again. We both began without reputations, and hopefully have earned some respect not through our work and by being active on forums.
   I don't think you will ever catch Willy, Perry, or I, or any of our other repairing members, claim to be "The BEST". We've all been humbled but tough jobs too many times!  I think at times we give ESL good competition when money is factored into the equation. ESL has more resources, and longer continuous experience, and as far as I know, is flawless in their work. maybe we just hand them the BEST trophy and continue to listen to tapes.

tom brucker
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net<mailto:adrian at mechner.net>> wrote:
Well, it looks like someone claims to be the best around. You need to read the post to find that out.
Question:
Would anyone buy this deck? For this price?
I'm simply asking because if I would own this deck in this beat-up condition, I would most likely avoid to have more cash put into it, however not anyone thinks like me, this is why I'm asking.
Link:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-3-Head-dual-capstan-cassette-Deck-Restored-by-master-tech-/120996688696?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1c2bf6f338


Adrian

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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 29 05:44:38 2012
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:44:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Car stereo fans please take note-TD500/TD700 gear
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Tom,
What is the symptom of a deck that has a bad gear?  Also which gear is it?
I have just pulled a loading mechanism out of the old bone pile and have taken a few pictures from different angles and numbered the gears.  I have put them on the following web page.  
http://www.nakremotes.com/TD-500_Load.htm
 
I agree they are fantastic sounding decks, but, the TD-500 does have problems over rough pavement.  I wish I had bought the TD-700 with it's dual capstans, but, the TD-500 was already a stretch at the time.  The tuner sucked though.  I later upgraded to a TD-1200II and the tape section was awesome and the tuner was pretty good too.  BTW that deck also had a problem with a bad gear.  The little white gear at the top of the drive motor had a tendency to split and cause a 2 to 3 Hz ticking sound.  A guy in France contacted me years ago to tell me that he made a mold and was selling them.  Not sure if he's still around.  
 
Scott J

--- On Wed, 11/28/12, Tom Brucker <nakdoc77 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Tom Brucker <nakdoc77 at gmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Car stereo fans please take note-TD500/TD700 gear
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 8:36 AM


My machinist has just informed me that he will machine the TD 700 loading gear in brass, with availability in 4 weeks!  I have 6 decks in my shop right now that need gears. I will be selling the gear to anyone in the Nak community, so keep your eyes open for my announcement after I test the brass gear.  If you have TD500, 700, or the TD1000 in a closet somewhere, consider having it repaired. These are, to my mind, the best sounding car decks real people can afford!
I believe the gear will be $30-$33 US. Send an email if you wish to reserve gears. Do not send money at this time.


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From mech986 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 29 00:06:52 2012
From: mech986 at yahoo.com (Bart)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:06:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] RX202 for parts
In-Reply-To: <CAAqwSUafQEu=QaEx=mTJBkC22yOodP1HmHVEyanS6E_pJPnZnA@mail.gmail.com>
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Art,

I'd be interested in the manual and brochure, also the deck if shipping is not 
horrendous.  I'm in La Habra, California 90631.
 Regards,

Bart




________________________________
From: Tom Brucker <nakdoc77 at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wed, November 28, 2012 9:58:16 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX202 for parts

Where is your home? In the USA it would cost much less to get the deck repaired. 
 FF/RW issues are a simple to replace idler tire, or a reel motor replacement. 
If you have given up on the deck I would be interested, unless you are overseas; 
postage costs are a factor.
my email is hitech at birch.net
tom brucker


On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Art Zawodny <azawodny at hotmail.com> wrote:

I have a non working RX 202. If anyone is in need of a "donor" machine to keep 
theirs going please let me know. I disassembled it thinking it just needed a 
belt but this version doesn't use that belt.  Will not play or FF/RW tapes.
>
>Not paying $700 to have it refurbed as I never listen to cassettes anymore. Also 
>have the original manual and sales brochure. 
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From tr463rsb at comcast.net  Thu Nov 29 21:31:31 2012
From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:31:31 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] NAK Head Maintenance
Message-ID: <201211292143.qATLffBo021151@zxe.naks.com>

Is there a preferred method of cleaning and demagnitizing NAK heads?   What
methods or techniques do you use?

 

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From jmrecchia at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 03:01:53 2012
From: jmrecchia at gmail.com (Flavio Belato)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:01:53 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon bias issue in record mode
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8MfYEFOVxr0qqE=tN9bkw+RLKdyRcNR5t+z5q6Up4aXqdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPbsR9V_53JuccqYeHhzehVNKsphQBJ==fXVSVKt0y-GXHO4Tg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAM9V8Mc4ptP7iB5BgR1qE2dJUNwsu+qzeRRWn4ipjVeBSNB3CA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPbsR9VF3hmNZV+YzV2tREjXdUO56v3d9nrh3NB=R9Bz7mUOVw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Willy!

First of all, many thanks per your attention!

I tested as follows:

After 15 minutes I realized that the high frequency had decreased, powered
off the deck per 1 minute and started again, the level remained the same,
high frequency smaller than the source.

The deck was powered off for a few hours, after that, I started again and
did the calibrate procedure at the begining of A side, 400HZ and 15kHz to
point 0 (Cal). (at this time, the high frequencies are normal).
I recorded 15KHZ at the beginning, middle and end of sides A and B, the
result follows:
Side A:
15kHz  at begining  - 0 (Cal)
15kHz - at the middle - one point below 0
15kHz - at the end - one point below 0

Side B:
15kHz - at begining - one point below 0
15kHz - at the middle - one point below 0
15kHz - at the end- one point below 0

but....if I turn the tape to the begining of A side again, the level jump
to 0 (Cal point)
At some points, I restarted the deck and the result remained the same as
written above, the procedure of restart the deck does not alter the result.
So, the issue depends of the location that is been recorded and not the
time recording as I had thought....

All suggestions are welcome!

Many thanks!

Best regards from Brazil.

Flavio.

2012/9/27 Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>

> This symptom can be cause by loss of tape-head contact.  If you stop and
> restart the deck will the high frequencies jump back to normal, then slowly
> decrease again -- or once the machine as been recording for 15 minutes does
> the high frequency problem persist?
>
> Willy
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Flavio Belato <jmrecchia at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello Willy!
>>
>> The high frequency of the recording is decreasing after 15 minutes
>> recording, if at this time I try to calibrate the bias again, I realize
>> that the meter is no longer showing 0 (Cal) point, it shows a lower
>> value.
>>
>> Many thanks per your attention!
>>
>>
>> Best regards from Brazil.
>>
>> Flavio.
>>
>> 2012/9/26 Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>>
>>> Do you know that it is the bias which is decreasing or are you saying
>>> the high frequency of the recording is decreasing?
>>>
>>> Willy
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Flavio Belato <jmrecchia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello!
>>>>
>>>> II live in Brazil and we have no technicians specialized in Nakamichi
>>>> here, there is no way to send this deck to be serviced in country and the
>>>> shipping costs to send over sea are very hight, so, I would ask to you a
>>>> help to try to solve a Dragon issue.
>>>> The bias level is decreasing while recording.
>>>>
>>>> I can do the calibration successfully in 400Hz  and 15Hz to the 0 point
>>>> getting a flat recording.
>>>>
>>>> At the beginning of the recording, the level of treble (bias) is ok
>>>> (listening and also on the meter) at the beginning, middle and at the end
>>>> of A and B tape sides (if I fast forward by the way to check the level in
>>>> diferent places of the tape),  so I believe that the head alignment is
>>>> correct.
>>>> If I put this deck recording, after approximately 15 minutes recording
>>>> continuously , the bias level decreases slowly and gradually and can be
>>>> noticed at the end of A side and for all B side.
>>>> This decrease in bias level is clearly heard using the Tape / Source
>>>> button and even rewinding the tape and listening "Play" mode.
>>>>
>>>> Someone knows this issue? Maybe orange caps?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks to all.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards from Brazil.
>>>>
>>>> Flavio.
>>>>
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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  1 10:58:27 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 10:58:27 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon bias issue in record mode
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	<CAPbsR9VF3hmNZV+YzV2tREjXdUO56v3d9nrh3NB=R9Bz7mUOVw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAM9V8MfYEFOVxr0qqE=tN9bkw+RLKdyRcNR5t+z5q6Up4aXqdA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAPbsR9UtpJN3Nc=ndA3pDFaBgKfTuV=Y5x4Gr3jvjq3oqNN1Ew@mail.gmail.com>
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 hmmm...
what does the 400 Hz calibration signal do.. does this stay at the 0dB level or does this also fall 1 dB under calibration?? what happens to tha signal if you intently under or overcalibrate? ( I mean... if you calibrate at let´s say +2dB for the 15KHz signal, does this then also drop 1 dB or even more during the recording over the lenght of the tape?)
is it a new tape you are using or a very old one (which has been recorded over and over again..)?  does this happen on different types of tape (if you use different ones..)?
is azimuth correct ? (do you have a deck with which you can align the azimuth?)
 
anyhow, it´s odd that this would happen, especially when you flip back to the A side and get a good signal again.. you would expect the signal to drop (rather not) and stay dropped.... you have a poltergeist in your deck.. ;)
 
greetings from germania
pieter
 
ps.. just read that you have a dragon.. which has automatic azimuth alignment... sure this works correct??



Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:01:53 -0300
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon bias issue in record mode
From: jmrecchia at gmail.com
To: naktalk at naks.com

Hello Willy!

First of all, many thanks per your attention!

I tested as follows:

After 15 minutes I realized that the high frequency had decreased, powered off the deck per 1 minute and started again, the level remained the same, high frequency smaller than the source.

The deck was powered off for a few hours, after that, I started again and did the calibrate procedure at the begining of A side, 400HZ and 15kHz to point 0 (Cal). (at this time, the high frequencies are normal).
I recorded 15KHZ at the beginning, middle and end of sides A and B, the result follows:
Side A:
15kHz  at begining  - 0 (Cal)
15kHz - at the middle - one point below 0
15kHz - at the end - one point below 0

Side B:
15kHz - at begining - one point below 0
15kHz - at the middle - one point below 0
15kHz - at the end- one point below 0

but....if I turn the tape to the begining of A side again, the level jump to 0 (Cal point)
At some points, I restarted the deck and the result remained the same as written above, the procedure of restart the deck does not alter the result.
So, the issue depends of the location that is been recorded and not the time recording as I had thought....

All suggestions are welcome!

Many thanks!

Best regards from Brazil.

Flavio.


2012/9/27 Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>

This symptom can be cause by loss of tape-head contact.  If you stop and restart the deck will the high frequencies jump back to normal, then slowly decrease again -- or once the machine as been recording for 15 minutes does the high frequency problem persist?


Willy




On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Flavio Belato <jmrecchia at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Willy!

The high frequency of the recording is decreasing after 15 minutes recording, if at this time I try to calibrate the bias again, I realize that the meter is no longer showing 0 (Cal) point, it shows a lower value.

Many thanks per your attention!


Best regards from Brazil.

Flavio.




2012/9/26 Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>

Do you know that it is the bias which is decreasing or are you saying the high frequency of the recording is decreasing?


Willy




On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Flavio Belato <jmrecchia at gmail.com> wrote:



Hello!

II live in Brazil and we have no technicians specialized in Nakamichi here, there is no way to send this deck to be serviced in country and the shipping costs to send over sea are very hight, so, I would ask to you a help to try to solve a Dragon issue.
The bias level is decreasing while recording.

I can do the calibration successfully in 400Hz  and 15Hz to the 0 point getting a flat recording.

At the beginning of the recording, the level of treble (bias) is ok (listening and also on the meter) at the beginning, middle and at the end of A and B tape sides (if I fast forward by the way to check the level in diferent places of the tape),  so I believe that the head alignment is correct.
If I put this deck recording, after approximately 15 minutes recording continuously , the bias level decreases slowly and gradually and can be noticed at the end of A side and for all B side.
This decrease in bias level is clearly heard using the Tape / Source button and even rewinding the tape and listening "Play" mode.

Someone knows this issue? Maybe orange caps?

Many thanks to all.

Best regards from Brazil.

Flavio.

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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Mon Oct  1 18:02:34 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 09:02:34 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon bias issue in record mode
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If you're talking about one point - that is one bar - on the Dragon level
display this amount of difference is of no consequence.  Are you switching
between source and tape as you make these observations?  You will certainly
find that the built-in oscillator will drift in level at least as far as
you're describing as the machine heats up.  It is not intended as a
lab-perfect tone generator but rather as a reference point from which to
set the deck for unity gain at the two frequency points.  Remember, you're
not necessarily trying to set the meter for 0dB.  You're trying to get it
to match the level of the source.

Willy

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Flavio Belato <jmrecchia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Willy!
>
> First of all, many thanks per your attention!
>
> I tested as follows:
>
> After 15 minutes I realized that the high frequency had decreased, powered
> off the deck per 1 minute and started again, the level remained the same,
> high frequency smaller than the source.
>
> The deck was powered off for a few hours, after that, I started again and
> did the calibrate procedure at the begining of A side, 400HZ and 15kHz to
> point 0 (Cal). (at this time, the high frequencies are normal).
> I recorded 15KHZ at the beginning, middle and end of sides A and B, the
> result follows:
> Side A:
> 15kHz  at begining  - 0 (Cal)
> 15kHz - at the middle - one point below 0
> 15kHz - at the end - one point below 0
>
> Side B:
> 15kHz - at begining - one point below 0
> 15kHz - at the middle - one point below 0
> 15kHz - at the end- one point below 0
>
> but....if I turn the tape to the begining of A side again, the level jump
> to 0 (Cal point)
> At some points, I restarted the deck and the result remained the same as
> written above, the procedure of restart the deck does not alter the result.
> So, the issue depends of the location that is been recorded and not the
> time recording as I had thought....
>
> All suggestions are welcome!
>
> Many thanks!
>
>
> Best regards from Brazil.
>
> Flavio.
>
> 2012/9/27 Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>
>> This symptom can be cause by loss of tape-head contact.  If you stop and
>> restart the deck will the high frequencies jump back to normal, then slowly
>> decrease again -- or once the machine as been recording for 15 minutes does
>> the high frequency problem persist?
>>
>> Willy
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Flavio Belato <jmrecchia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Willy!
>>>
>>> The high frequency of the recording is decreasing after 15 minutes
>>> recording, if at this time I try to calibrate the bias again, I realize
>>> that the meter is no longer showing 0 (Cal) point, it shows a lower
>>> value.
>>>
>>> Many thanks per your attention!
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards from Brazil.
>>>
>>> Flavio.
>>>
>>> 2012/9/26 Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>>>
>>>> Do you know that it is the bias which is decreasing or are you saying
>>>> the high frequency of the recording is decreasing?
>>>>
>>>> Willy
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Flavio Belato <jmrecchia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>
>>>>> II live in Brazil and we have no technicians specialized in Nakamichi
>>>>> here, there is no way to send this deck to be serviced in country and the
>>>>> shipping costs to send over sea are very hight, so, I would ask to you a
>>>>> help to try to solve a Dragon issue.
>>>>> The bias level is decreasing while recording.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can do the calibration successfully in 400Hz  and 15Hz to the 0
>>>>> point getting a flat recording.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the beginning of the recording, the level of treble (bias) is ok
>>>>> (listening and also on the meter) at the beginning, middle and at the end
>>>>> of A and B tape sides (if I fast forward by the way to check the level in
>>>>> diferent places of the tape),  so I believe that the head alignment is
>>>>> correct.
>>>>> If I put this deck recording, after approximately 15 minutes recording
>>>>> continuously , the bias level decreases slowly and gradually and can be
>>>>> noticed at the end of A side and for all B side.
>>>>> This decrease in bias level is clearly heard using the Tape / Source
>>>>> button and even rewinding the tape and listening "Play" mode.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone knows this issue? Maybe orange caps?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks to all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards from Brazil.
>>>>>
>>>>> Flavio.
>>>>>
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From jmrecchia at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 20:06:11 2012
From: jmrecchia at gmail.com (Flavio Belato)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 15:06:11 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon bias issue in record mode
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Hello Pieter!

I'm away from home until next  Wednesday, so I will test the behavior of
400HZ and return.
If I overcalibrate (+2dB for the 15KHz signal), also drop 1 dB or even more
during the recording over the lenght of the tape.
I'm using 3 different types of new (unsued) tapes (chrome and normal bias)
with the same results.
Auto azimuth seems to work properly, it seeks the best point in play mode
and stabilizes,  however I'm not sure if the head and tape guide alignment are
correct, because I do not know if the previous owner changed the alignment in
the past....

I'm suspecting that this issue could be caused by some misalignment ...

Many thanks!

Best regards.

Flavio.

2012/10/1 pieter rodgers <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com>

>
>  hmmm...
> what does the 400 Hz calibration signal do.. does this stay at the 0dB
> level or does this also fall 1 dB under calibration?? what happens to tha
> signal if you intently under or overcalibrate? ( I mean... if you calibrate
> at let´s say +2dB for the 15KHz signal, does this then also drop 1 dB or
> even more during the recording over the lenght of the tape?)
> is it a new tape you are using or a very old one (which has been recorded
> over and over again..)?  does this happen on different types of tape (if
> you use different ones..)?
> is azimuth correct ? (do you have a deck with which you can align the
> azimuth?)
>
> anyhow, it´s odd that this would happen, especially when you flip back to
> the A side and get a good signal again.. you would expect the signal to
> drop (rather not) and stay dropped.... you have a poltergeist in your
> deck.. ;)
>
> greetings from germania
> pieter
>
> ps.. just read that you have a dragon.. which has automatic azimuth
> alignment... sure this works correct??
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:01:53 -0300
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon bias issue in record mode
> From: jmrecchia at gmail.com
> To: naktalk at naks.com
>
>
> Hello Willy!
>
> First of all, many thanks per your attention!
>
> I tested as follows:
>
> After 15 minutes I realized that the high frequency had decreased, powered
> off the deck per 1 minute and started again, the level remained the same,
> high frequency smaller than the source.
>
> The deck was powered off for a few hours, after that, I started again and
> did the calibrate procedure at the begining of A side, 400HZ and 15kHz to
> point 0 (Cal). (at this time, the high frequencies are normal).
> I recorded 15KHZ at the beginning, middle and end of sides A and B, the
> result follows:
> Side A:
> 15kHz  at begining  - 0 (Cal)
> 15kHz - at the middle - one point below 0
> 15kHz - at the end - one point below 0
>
> Side B:
> 15kHz - at begining - one point below 0
> 15kHz - at the middle - one point below 0
> 15kHz - at the end- one point below 0
>
> but....if I turn the tape to the begining of A side again, the level jump
> to 0 (Cal point)
> At some points, I restarted the deck and the result remained the same as
> written above, the procedure of restart the deck does not alter the result.
> So, the issue depends of the location that is been recorded and not the
> time recording as I had thought....
>
> All suggestions are welcome!
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Best regards from Brazil.
>
> Flavio.
>
> 2012/9/27 Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>
> This symptom can be cause by loss of tape-head contact.  If you stop and
> restart the deck will the high frequencies jump back to normal, then slowly
> decrease again -- or once the machine as been recording for 15 minutes does
> the high frequency problem persist?
>
> Willy
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Flavio Belato <jmrecchia at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> Hello Willy!
>
> The high frequency of the recording is decreasing after 15 minutes
> recording, if at this time I try to calibrate the bias again, I realize
> that the meter is no longer showing 0 (Cal) point, it shows a lower value.
>
> Many thanks per your attention!
>
>
> Best regards from Brazil.
>
> Flavio.
>
>  2012/9/26 Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>
> Do you know that it is the bias which is decreasing or are you saying the
> high frequency of the recording is decreasing?
>
> Willy
>
>  On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Flavio Belato <jmrecchia at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>  Hello!
>
> II live in Brazil and we have no technicians specialized in Nakamichi
> here, there is no way to send this deck to be serviced in country and the
> shipping costs to send over sea are very hight, so, I would ask to you a
> help to try to solve a Dragon issue.
> The bias level is decreasing while recording.
>
> I can do the calibration successfully in 400Hz  and 15Hz to the 0 point
> getting a flat recording.
>
> At the beginning of the recording, the level of treble (bias) is ok
> (listening and also on the meter) at the beginning, middle and at the end
> of A and B tape sides (if I fast forward by the way to check the level in
> diferent places of the tape),  so I believe that the head alignment is
> correct.
> If I put this deck recording, after approximately 15 minutes recording
> continuously , the bias level decreases slowly and gradually and can be
> noticed at the end of A side and for all B side.
> This decrease in bias level is clearly heard using the Tape / Source
> button and even rewinding the tape and listening "Play" mode.
>
> Someone knows this issue? Maybe orange caps?
>
> Many thanks to all.
>
> Best regards from Brazil.
>
> Flavio.
>
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From jmrecchia at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 20:46:51 2012
From: jmrecchia at gmail.com (Flavio Belato)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 15:46:51 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon bias issue in record mode
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Hello Willy!

Willy yes, I understand that the test tone is just a tool (reference) to
help to set the deck unity gain at the two frequency points and it could
variate when the machine is comming heat...you are right but,  the level of
high frequencies is always greater at the begining of A side (with the deck
cold or warm)....very strange...
In the last days I realized that if I perform the test using fast forward
to not take more than 5 minutes (to not warming the deck) the symptom is
the same...
Do you think that this symptom could be caused by misalignment of heads or
tape guide? I'm asking because I do not know if it has already been changed
by the previous owner ...

Many thanks!

Best regards.

Flavio.


2012/10/1 Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>

> If you're talking about one point - that is one bar - on the Dragon level
> display this amount of difference is of no consequence.  Are you switching
> between source and tape as you make these observations?  You will certainly
> find that the built-in oscillator will drift in level at least as far as
> you're describing as the machine heats up.  It is not intended as a
> lab-perfect tone generator but rather as a reference point from which to
> set the deck for unity gain at the two frequency points.  Remember, you're
> not necessarily trying to set the meter for 0dB.  You're trying to get it
> to match the level of the source.
>
> Willy
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Flavio Belato <jmrecchia at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello Willy!
>>
>> First of all, many thanks per your attention!
>>
>> I tested as follows:
>>
>> After 15 minutes I realized that the high frequency had decreased,
>> powered off the deck per 1 minute and started again, the level remained the
>> same, high frequency smaller than the source.
>>
>> The deck was powered off for a few hours, after that, I started again and
>> did the calibrate procedure at the begining of A side, 400HZ and 15kHz to
>> point 0 (Cal). (at this time, the high frequencies are normal).
>> I recorded 15KHZ at the beginning, middle and end of sides A and B, the
>> result follows:
>> Side A:
>> 15kHz  at begining  - 0 (Cal)
>> 15kHz - at the middle - one point below 0
>> 15kHz - at the end - one point below 0
>>
>> Side B:
>> 15kHz - at begining - one point below 0
>> 15kHz - at the middle - one point below 0
>> 15kHz - at the end- one point below 0
>>
>> but....if I turn the tape to the begining of A side again, the level jump
>> to 0 (Cal point)
>> At some points, I restarted the deck and the result remained the same as
>> written above, the procedure of restart the deck does not alter the result.
>> So, the issue depends of the location that is been recorded and not the
>> time recording as I had thought....
>>
>> All suggestions are welcome!
>>
>> Many thanks!
>>
>>
>> Best regards from Brazil.
>>
>> Flavio.
>>
>> 2012/9/27 Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>>
>>> This symptom can be cause by loss of tape-head contact.  If you stop and
>>> restart the deck will the high frequencies jump back to normal, then slowly
>>> decrease again -- or once the machine as been recording for 15 minutes does
>>> the high frequency problem persist?
>>>
>>> Willy
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Flavio Belato <jmrecchia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Willy!
>>>>
>>>> The high frequency of the recording is decreasing after 15 minutes
>>>> recording, if at this time I try to calibrate the bias again, I realize
>>>> that the meter is no longer showing 0 (Cal) point, it shows a lower
>>>> value.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks per your attention!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards from Brazil.
>>>>
>>>> Flavio.
>>>>
>>>> 2012/9/26 Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Do you know that it is the bias which is decreasing or are you saying
>>>>> the high frequency of the recording is decreasing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Willy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Flavio Belato <jmrecchia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> II live in Brazil and we have no technicians specialized in Nakamichi
>>>>>> here, there is no way to send this deck to be serviced in country and the
>>>>>> shipping costs to send over sea are very hight, so, I would ask to you a
>>>>>> help to try to solve a Dragon issue.
>>>>>> The bias level is decreasing while recording.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can do the calibration successfully in 400Hz  and 15Hz to the 0
>>>>>> point getting a flat recording.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the beginning of the recording, the level of treble (bias) is ok
>>>>>> (listening and also on the meter) at the beginning, middle and at the end
>>>>>> of A and B tape sides (if I fast forward by the way to check the level in
>>>>>> diferent places of the tape),  so I believe that the head alignment is
>>>>>> correct.
>>>>>> If I put this deck recording, after approximately 15 minutes
>>>>>> recording continuously , the bias level decreases slowly and gradually and
>>>>>> can be noticed at the end of A side and for all B side.
>>>>>> This decrease in bias level is clearly heard using the Tape / Source
>>>>>> button and even rewinding the tape and listening "Play" mode.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone knows this issue? Maybe orange caps?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks to all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards from Brazil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Flavio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:02:01 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Converters for Op Amps
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Hi everybody
Sorry if this is a repost, but as I didnt see my previous posting in the threads, I thought it may not have been delivered.
These are IC converters for you to use with opamps in SMD packages in case you would like to remove the usual 4558 opamps and replace them with something else of your choice in your Naks or other audiophile equipment that accepts 8pin PDIP/DIL packages. They are not the run-of-the-mill 8pin converters .. as they have been specially designed for audio applications, with decoupling capacitor pads in the output pins (4,8) for dual opamps. In case you want to use any other IC with different pin outs, feel free to use the converters there too without using the decoupling caps.These are dual layered FR4 PCBs with silver plated (not tinned) contacts and pads. I am also offering 2 nos of 0.1uF decoupling capacitors with each converter FREE, soldered with Lead-free solder.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/120992210887
Thanks and regardsSoumitra 		 	   		  
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Oct  3 11:37:33 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:37:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] five zxl's!
Message-ID: <4c89dfaf6717c47a85a6d8378aabafc8.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

There are 5 1000zxl's on eBay right now, plus the Limited that has been
there for some time.

Amazing!





From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Oct  3 14:48:44 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 14:48:44 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] reply to digest message
Message-ID: <6dd61d4a152759e0d1dabe87589edccc.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

If you want to reply to a message in your digest version of naktalk then
please don't just reply to the message it will make reading the digest
post for those that receive it very hard, if you do this anyway don't be
surprised if your message 'gets lost'.

What you do? At least strip everything that has nothing to do with your
reply (so the entire digest message basically) and change the subject to
reflect the original subject.

This is all 'hard' and makes a subscription to the normal delivery easier
since you don't have these limitations.

Wouter



From bkeeth1087 at msn.com  Wed Oct  3 19:07:40 2012
From: bkeeth1087 at msn.com (BRENT KEETH)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:07:40 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Adjustment
Message-ID: <BAY170-W121693CE4CD4A455AE5A263DE850@phx.gbl>


Hello,

I am performing electrical adjustments on my Dragon and had a question pertaining to step 4 from the service manual. Step 4 (page 9) consists of Playback Head and Record Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment. My question pertains to the Playback Head Height Adjustment portion. The manual states that with a VTVM connected to the Output Jacks and a 1KHz track alignment tape playing you should adjust the PH Height Gear to obtain minimum readings of both channels with the VTVM. Is this step correct? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that step seems to want to minimize contact of the PH with the tape. Please advise.

Thanks,

Brent
 		 	   		  
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Wed Oct  3 21:09:25 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:09:25 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Adjustment
In-Reply-To: <BAY170-W121693CE4CD4A455AE5A263DE850@phx.gbl>
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Hi Brent -

Best advice is to scratch that entire step out of the service manual.  It's
convoluted and painful.  Here's what I do:
1.)  Make sure the auto-azimuth block is centered.  It should self center
each time a tape is removed or direction is changed.  Check the lines on
the back of the block to verify that it's at the center position.
2.)  Disconnect the azimuth motor.  It's the two pin connector - CN-5 -
roughly centered on the flip down board accessed from the bottom of the
deck.  This effectively removes the NAAC circuit.
Now you can adjust the deck the way you would adjust any other three head
deck.
3.)  Set up the zenith (tilt) with the Nakamichi M-9039 gauge.
4.)  Set up play height using the DA 09007 tape.  This tape has signal
recorded in the center between the two audio tracks so you should align the
height of the head for minimum signal output.  (There is one guy out there
who has spent the time and effort to make a replacement for this tape - Tom
Mageras.  He actually hand machined a record head and mounted it on a
cassette transport then calibrated it exactly!)
5.)  Set up play head azimuth with the DA09004 tape for maximum output or
use a dual trace scope set for a lissajous pattern.
6.)  Match the record head height and azimuth to the play head using an
external signal generator and meter (or scope).
7.)  NOW plug in the azimuth motor, load the azimuth test tape and
calibrate the phase of the NAAC circuit by adjusting VR701 and VR702 for
forward and reverse directions respectively.  You can't make these
adjustments with the deck up on end - the tape will track differently.
 Those pots are only accessible from underneath the deck.  It's a
contortionist move but you have to make the adjustment while looking at the
lines on the back of the azimuth block.

Now you can set up playback and meter levels and the internal oscillator
levels.

Best of luck.

Willy



On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:07 AM, BRENT KEETH <bkeeth1087 at msn.com> wrote:

>  Hello,
>
> I am performing electrical adjustments on my Dragon and had a question
> pertaining to step 4 from the service manual. Step 4 (page 9) consists of
> Playback Head and Record Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment. My
> question pertains to the Playback Head Height Adjustment portion. The
> manual states that with a VTVM connected to the Output Jacks and a 1KHz
> track alignment tape playing you should adjust the PH Height Gear to obtain
> minimum readings of both channels with the VTVM. Is this step correct?
> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that step seems to want to minimize
> contact of the PH with the tape. Please advise.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brent
>
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From serbianduke13 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 20:27:30 2012
From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 20:27:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Adjustment
In-Reply-To: <BAY170-W121693CE4CD4A455AE5A263DE850@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY170-W121693CE4CD4A455AE5A263DE850@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAG+rBz+vp38icofhd6RW0dtG9frRYusW1wUV7ERZE5S9yhKAhA@mail.gmail.com>

in service manual they use Nakamichi tapes with recorded signal in the
middle between gaps so they said that it needs minimum readings...with 1
KHz tape you need to have maximum reading and after that on playback EQ you
will correct it...

Dragon from Serbia

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:07 PM, BRENT KEETH <bkeeth1087 at msn.com> wrote:

>  Hello,
>
> I am performing electrical adjustments on my Dragon and had a question
> pertaining to step 4 from the service manual. Step 4 (page 9) consists of
> Playback Head and Record Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment. My
> question pertains to the Playback Head Height Adjustment portion. The
> manual states that with a VTVM connected to the Output Jacks and a 1KHz
> track alignment tape playing you should adjust the PH Height Gear to obtain
> minimum readings of both channels with the VTVM. Is this step correct?
> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that step seems to want to minimize
> contact of the PH with the tape. Please advise.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brent
>
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From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  3 21:25:13 2012
From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:25:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Adjustment
In-Reply-To: <BAY170-W121693CE4CD4A455AE5A263DE850@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1349292313.77311.YahooMailClassic@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Brent ; You might be getting confused by the term " head height "  which is the way the head lines up to the tracks on the tape.  The amount of contact of the head to the tape is called " stroke " and is usually adjusted at the factory and should not need adjustment unless the head is replaced. I think the Nakamichi 1 kHz tape has the left and right tracks 180 degrees out of phase from each other, but I might be wrong, and that's why they want a minimum setting. Other tapes like home made 1 kHz tapes are in phase and then you'd try for a maximum setting.  Maybe one of the other members can correct me and help further.   Thomas

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From: BRENT KEETH <bkeeth1087 at msn.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Adjustment
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2012, 1:07 PM






Hello,

I am performing electrical adjustments on my Dragon and had a question pertaining to step 4 from the service manual. Step 4 (page 9) consists of Playback Head and Record Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment. My question pertains to the Playback Head Height Adjustment portion. The manual states that with a VTVM connected to the Output Jacks and a 1KHz track alignment tape playing you should adjust the PH Height Gear to obtain minimum readings of both channels with the VTVM. Is this step correct? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that step seems to want to minimize contact of the PH with the tape. Please advise.

Thanks,

Brent

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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 23:42:24 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 23:42:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Adjustment
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Yes ! that is wrong.

Only If you have the original Nakamichi 1kHz tape you can adjust to  
the minimum Level.

That will be the right track, because only there the 4 recorded  
tracks on this very special tape will reduce Level by two  opposite   
phases
on this tape.

This will be happened for the right and the left cannel at the same  
time. ( same track )

If you  look very close to any  Play back head on any Nakamichi  
Deck,  when you turn on the Play back head screw, ( that should not  
be done

if possible),

If you turn this screw you will see  the head is moving from  the  
Front to Back, lets say  the same direction like the Face from the Deck
to the Back of the Deck.

It is not moving up and down !
  If you turn on this Srew you will lose or find the correct  track,  
not any high or low  in sense  of up and down  the Record head.

If you use a normal 1kHz, not made from Nakamichi,  you have to set  
to  the maximum Level.

Why is setting to a minimum  the more precise  way to  make a track  
alighment ?

If you are in a outback  lets think on  Eros Rock in Australia, with  
holding you car antenna in your hand, trying to find the exact  angle  
and place where a Radio Station is . My be this Radio Station is  far  
away like Malaysia.

You can put your Antenna to the right angle to reach the maximum  
Level from this Radio Station Sender.

That will be the 90º to this Radio Station, but hard to be exact  to  
high Level because Level is high in a  wide angle anyway.

If you turn your Car antenna  in the way you have minimum Level from  
this Station, that will be 0º to the radio station.

  That  would be  like pointing to the Radio Station.

That way you can be more exact  because only on prices 0º you would  
not  heave  any  Level from this Radio Station anymore.

I hope you understand my english.

NAKAMICHI in Japanese  is a  Family Name , but it means  " middle   
from  the way" NAKA-MICHI



Gerhard


Am 03.10.2012 um 19:07 schrieb BRENT KEETH:

> Hello,
>
> I am performing electrical adjustments on my Dragon and had a  
> question pertaining to step 4 from the service manual. Step 4 (page  
> 9) consists of Playback Head and Record Head Height Adjustment and  
> Azimuth Alignment. My question pertains to the Playback Head Height  
> Adjustment portion. The manual states that with a VTVM connected to  
> the Output Jacks and a 1KHz track alignment tape playing you should  
> adjust the PH Height Gear to obtain minimum readings of both  
> channels with the VTVM. Is this step correct? Please correct me if  
> I'm wrong, but that step seems to want to minimize contact of the  
> PH with the tape. Please advise.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brent
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From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl  Wed Oct  3 23:46:37 2012
From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 23:46:37 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Adjustment
In-Reply-To: <1349292313.77311.YahooMailClassic@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1349292313.77311.YahooMailClassic@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9CC97719-23CA-4EBB-9EC4-74BEE0D419D7@ziggo.nl>

Hi all,

I think this adjustment is very important and critical so buy yourself a good track alignment tape as Willy mentioned or you better don't touch it.

Best regards,

Norman

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

Op 3 okt. 2012 om 21:25 heeft thomas <thomas36245-net at yahoo.com> het volgende geschreven:

> 
> Hi Brent ; You might be getting confused by the term " head height "  which is the way the head lines up to the tracks on the tape.  The amount of contact of the head to the tape is called " stroke " and is usually adjusted at the factory and should not need adjustment unless the head is replaced. I think the Nakamichi 1 kHz tape has the left and right tracks 180 degrees out of phase from each other, but I might be wrong, and that's why they want a minimum setting. Other tapes like home made 1 kHz tapes are in phase and then you'd try for a maximum setting.  Maybe one of the other members can correct me and help further.   Thomas
> 
> --- On Wed, 10/3/12, BRENT KEETH <bkeeth1087 at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> From: BRENT KEETH <bkeeth1087 at msn.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Adjustment
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2012, 1:07 PM
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am performing electrical adjustments on my Dragon and had a question pertaining to step 4 from the service manual. Step 4 (page 9) consists of Playback Head and Record Head Height Adjustment and Azimuth Alignment. My question pertains to the Playback Head Height Adjustment portion. The manual states that with a VTVM connected to the Output Jacks and a 1KHz track alignment tape playing you should adjust the PH Height Gear to obtain minimum readings of both channels with the VTVM. Is this step correct? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that step seems to want to minimize contact of the PH with the tape. Please advise.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brent
> 
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Thu Oct  4 12:48:58 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:48:58 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon adjustment
Message-ID: <879294415-1349347739-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-57268783-@b12.c16.bise6.blackberry>

What Willy said is correct, but he missed that you thought head height is stroke, as Thomas correctly caught. The manual is actually not bad so don't ignore it as Willy said,  but it is not a literal step by step procedure, just as the exploded diagrams are not a step by step on dis assembly. What he has said works and is good advice but actually follows the manual intent pretty well. Stroke is the depth the heads enter the cassette shell, and can be verified with the correct Nak gauge or a IT-M300, which both he and Nakdoc sell. Head height is the alignment of the tracks correctly on the tape. Thomas got the 1kHZ Tape in fo wrong, (DAO09007), it is a single track recorded between the left and right channel, so if it is centered correctly you do have minimum signal. It is best to listen with headphones if you have that tape, for the disappearance of any tone or minimize it in both channels, rather than measure it. I have no idea at all what Gerhard was trying to say, so if you were as confused as me, join the club.
Perry Esposito - From my phone



From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz  Fri Oct  5 04:33:17 2012
From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:33:17 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] Website update including BX-300 project
Message-ID: <97C10BC6BDAC4B88BA65A54C83A40045@emachinef0bb72>

Hello everyone,

I'm back to workshop after holiday.

http://www.gennlab.com website has been updated:



Sitemap http://www.gennlab.com/sitemap.html

BX-300 project http://www.gennlab.com/bx300.html

Test records, used to test and align turntables 
http://www.gennlab.com/test_records.html

Pioneer PL-518 DD turntable, 33/45/78 rpm modification 
http://www.gennlab.com/pioneer518.html

and many more.

More than 500 pictures uploaded (1180 pictures total) including professional 
audio equipment and musical instruments.



Please leave feedback and suggestions on the pages of Test Cassettes and 
Disks you ordered.



Thank you for your time and anticipation of your orders!



All the best from



Gennady Lyskin

G e n n L a b
http://www.gennlab.com
info at gennlab.com
Tel: +64 21 238 3056
New Zealand 



From healer at accesshub.net  Sun Oct  7 02:17:50 2012
From: healer at accesshub.net (Salvatore)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 20:17:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Need Teac W880RX Service Manual
Message-ID: <9ug178tao23a7l324k8t0pbiauqfioedt1@4ax.com>

My Dragon now needs attention to be useful so I fired up my Teac W880RX to play
some tapes and it has a problem.  Intermittently, though frequently, it drops
the reel motor drive.  

Pinch roller remains up for a moment until it senses a lack of take up reel
movement and then that is dropped.  Supply reel continues turning due to capstan
tape pull.

Without a schematic, I am lost.  Any suggestions??

Thanks in advance



From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz  Sun Oct  7 04:36:41 2012
From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 15:36:41 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7...and caps
Message-ID: <5070EAB9.5010807@paradise.net.nz>

My CR-7 had a burning smell when switched on recently and now doesnt go 
into play mode.
I'm guessing it was a capacitor burning out?

I'm saving up to send it for service at Searle Electronics here in New 
Zealand.
Would it be wise to ask for all the orange caps to be replaced?

Thanks
Brett




From ronami at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  7 19:35:44 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 10:35:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7...and caps
In-Reply-To: <5070EAB9.5010807@paradise.net.nz>
References: <5070EAB9.5010807@paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <1349631344.23022.YahooMailNeo@web160204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Burning smell is associated with transformers or resistors far more often than with caps.
Fortunately, it's easy to locate by watching for smoke or feeling for a hotspot with the 

covers off.


My CR-7 is over 25 years old and has never had an orange cap replaced. Further more, 

I have never found a bad orange cap in any CR-7 that passed my bench (I wish I could 

say the same thing of electrolytic caps). I am sure your tech will welcome an order for 

en-mass caps replacement (it's labour intensive and bound to be an expensive job), but

personally, I'd pass on it until it's actually required, especially in a CR-7.


-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Brett Dickel <bgdickel at paradise.net.nz>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 10:36 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] CR-7...and caps
> 
>My CR-7 had a burning smell when switched on recently and now doesnt go into play mode.
>I'm guessing it was a capacitor burning out?
>
>I'm saving up to send it for service at Searle Electronics here in New Zealand.
>Would it be wise to ask for all the orange caps to be replaced?
>
>Thanks
>Brett
>
>
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From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz  Sun Oct  7 22:52:31 2012
From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:52:31 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7...and caps
References: <5070EAB9.5010807@paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <CDD3F61DEE8840E28E6091092D0D288D@emachinef0bb72>

Hi Brett,

All the orange 4.7 nF caps to be replaced. The other orange ones - if 
required, depending on the test results.

Cheers,

Gennady Lyskin

G e n n L a b
http://www.gennlab.com
info at gennlab.com
Tel: +64 21 238 3056
New Zealand

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From: "Brett Dickel" <bgdickel at paradise.net.nz>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 3:36 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7...and caps


> My CR-7 had a burning smell when switched on recently and now doesnt go 
> into play mode.
> I'm guessing it was a capacitor burning out?
>
> I'm saving up to send it for service at Searle Electronics here in New 
> Zealand.
> Would it be wise to ask for all the orange caps to be replaced?
>
> Thanks
> Brett
>
>
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From nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 05:51:18 2012
From: nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com (KJ Bleus Parsons)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 22:51:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 Info.....
Message-ID: <CAAbKz-Ej6RQ7OzQunQUYeK=Azk4Zxn1W-m=710C+pkoZttoT_g@mail.gmail.com>

Recently received several inquiries regarding the Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9
profiles.  Also requests to see the Nakamichi advert explaining the two
decks.  Here's a direct web link to the advert in .jpeg file format for
viewing:

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/images/nakzx7zx9.jpg

Rgds,

*KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA*

*Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W*





On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
> wrote:

Message: 4
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:56:57 -0500
From: KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Digest, Vol 115, Issue 17 (Nak ZX9 Info)
To: naktalk at naks.com



> Greetings,
>

Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll
> have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear.
>
>
> For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette
> decks, check-out this info....
>
> Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
> *
> https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
> *
>
>
> Rgds,
>
> *KJ Bleus Parsons
> Madison, Wisconsin   USA*
>
> *Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W*
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  8 10:12:20 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 18:12:20 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 Info.....
In-Reply-To: <CAAbKz-Ej6RQ7OzQunQUYeK=Azk4Zxn1W-m=710C+pkoZttoT_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAbKz-Ej6RQ7OzQunQUYeK=Azk4Zxn1W-m=710C+pkoZttoT_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60A59981-0578-46E0-BB17-D36CA349A4D6@yahoo.com>

Hi Mr Bleus,

Thanks for the information. It would have been better if the discussion is conducted here in the forum that we all could learn more the nuanced information. 

There has been much opinion that ranges from the 9 being a much different deck from the 7, to both being very similar machines. 

But details matter! 

Sent from my iPhone

On 08/10/2012, at 1:51 PM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Recently received several inquiries regarding the Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 profiles.  Also requests to see the Nakamichi advert explaining the two decks.  Here's a direct web link to the advert in .jpeg file format for viewing:
> 
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/images/nakzx7zx9.jpg
> 
> Rgds,
> 
> KJ Bleus Parsons
> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote:
>  
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:56:57 -0500
> From: KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Digest, Vol 115, Issue 17 (Nak ZX9 Info)
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> 
>  
>> Greetings,
>>  
>> Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear.
>> 
>> 
>> For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....
>> 
>> Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
>> https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
>> 
>> 
>> Rgds,
>> 
>> KJ Bleus Parsons
>> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>> 
> 
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  8 16:06:59 2012
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 07:06:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 Info.....
In-Reply-To: <60A59981-0578-46E0-BB17-D36CA349A4D6@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1349705219.62782.YahooMailClassic@web122003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I have seen both inside including service - also replace some important caps in the playback circuit.
Zx 7 is no different from ZX9 - except DD motor -
You can get teh same sound in ZX 7 with a brand new Capstan belt ( correct one)
no other details exist inside !
Kannan

--- On Mon, 10/8/12, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 Info.....
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>, "KJ Bleus Parsons" <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, October 8, 2012, 4:12 AM




Hi Mr Bleus,


Thanks for the information. It would have been better if the discussion is conducted here in the forum that we all could learn more the nuanced information. 


There has been much opinion that ranges from the 9 being a much different deck from the 7, to both being very similar machines. 


But details matter! 

Sent from my iPhone

On 08/10/2012, at 1:51 PM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote:



Recently received several inquiries regarding the Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 profiles.  Also requests to see the Nakamichi advert explaining the two decks.  Here's a direct web link to the advert in .jpeg file format for viewing:

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/images/nakzx7zx9.jpg

Rgds,

KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA

Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W





On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote:
 
Message: 4
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:56:57 -0500
From: KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Digest, Vol 115, Issue 17 (Nak ZX9 Info)
To: naktalk at naks.com

 
Greetings,
 
Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear.


For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....

Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110


Rgds,

KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA

Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W




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From exitartist at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct  8 17:59:03 2012
From: exitartist at yahoo.co.uk (Raymond Linden)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 16:59:03 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DVD-10 Region Code Problem
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1349715288.19964.naktalk@naks.com>
References: <mailman.0.1349715288.19964.naktalk@naks.com>
Message-ID: <1349711943.62471.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com>





Hi there

I have a Nakamichi DVD-10. I am now living in South Africa - which uses Region 2 DVDs.

I found some instructions online (see below) which told me how to change the region code on the player from Region 1 to Region 2 (or Region 0)

Unfortunately the procedure does not work. Instead of getting the 4 dashes after starting up (while holding down Dimmer and Reverse Skip, I simply get 'No Disc'.

---

INSTRUCTIONS were as follows:

With the mains connected but with the machine off and no disc inserted, press and hold both the Dimmer and the Reverse Skip button on the front panel, and turn the power on. 

Keep the Dimmer and Reverse Skip buttons held down then, when the front panel display shows '- - - - - -', press 1999 on the remote control handset (still holding the buttons).

The display shifts to 'A-00 D-02'. D-02 indicates that the region is set to Zone 2 (Europe). To change the code, press '00' for Region 0, then press Enter on the handset. The display will then show only 'D-00' (for R0).

Turn the power off and the player is now set for all-zone playback. If you have problems on certain discs, try tapping in '01' or '02' specifically for R1 or R2.

---

CD playback quality on this model is pretty good, the machine performs adequately as a DVD player - and it's built like a tank! So I'd really like to keep it and get it working with Zone 2 discs (or better still, all zones...)

Any advice would be much appreciated. 

Regards
Raymond
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  8 22:31:08 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 06:31:08 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 Info.....
In-Reply-To: <1349705219.62782.YahooMailClassic@web122003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1349705219.62782.YahooMailClassic@web122003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <614D6014-1EC2-424D-A660-483044A841A6@yahoo.com>

As in cap mods or orange cap re-caps as per your article? 

Sent from my iPhone

On 09/10/2012, at 12:06 AM, kannan srinivasaraghavan <kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> I have seen both inside including service - also replace some important caps in the playback circuit.
> Zx 7 is no different from ZX9 - except DD motor -
> You can get teh same sound in ZX 7 with a brand new Capstan belt ( correct one)
> no other details exist inside !
> Kannan
> 
> --- On Mon, 10/8/12, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 Info.....
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>, "KJ Bleus Parsons" <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com>
> Date: Monday, October 8, 2012, 4:12 AM
> 
> Hi Mr Bleus,
> 
> Thanks for the information. It would have been better if the discussion is conducted here in the forum that we all could learn more the nuanced information. 
> 
> There has been much opinion that ranges from the 9 being a much different deck from the 7, to both being very similar machines. 
> 
> But details matter! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 08/10/2012, at 1:51 PM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Recently received several inquiries regarding the Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 profiles.  Also requests to see the Nakamichi advert explaining the two decks.  Here's a direct web link to the advert in .jpeg file format for viewing:
>> 
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/images/nakzx7zx9.jpg
>> 
>> Rgds,
>> 
>> KJ Bleus Parsons
>> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:56:57 -0500
>> From: KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Digest, Vol 115, Issue 17 (Nak ZX9 Info)
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> 
>>  
>> Greetings,
>>  
>> Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear.
>> 
>> 
>> For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....
>> 
>> Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
>> https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
>> 
>> 
>> Rgds,
>> 
>> KJ Bleus Parsons
>> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
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From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl  Mon Oct  8 23:35:43 2012
From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 23:35:43 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 Info.....
In-Reply-To: <614D6014-1EC2-424D-A660-483044A841A6@yahoo.com>
References: <1349705219.62782.YahooMailClassic@web122003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<614D6014-1EC2-424D-A660-483044A841A6@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <69C40F60-D681-4196-8C23-8394BEEC5475@ziggo.nl>

Yes, Nakamichi did a good marketing job to call it a  super tuned edition. Who would not go for it? But the only difference inside : a direct drive motor. Allright , we get lower wow and flutter values but thats the only difference as far as i know.

Both the zx7 and the zx9 are beautifull decks 

Norman

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

Op 8 okt. 2012 om 22:31 heeft Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> het volgende geschreven:

> As in cap mods or orange cap re-caps as per your article? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 09/10/2012, at 12:06 AM, kannan srinivasaraghavan <kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I have seen both inside including service - also replace some important caps in the playback circuit.
>> Zx 7 is no different from ZX9 - except DD motor -
>> You can get teh same sound in ZX 7 with a brand new Capstan belt ( correct one)
>> no other details exist inside !
>> Kannan
>> 
>> --- On Mon, 10/8/12, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> From: Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 Info.....
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>, "KJ Bleus Parsons" <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com>
>> Date: Monday, October 8, 2012, 4:12 AM
>> 
>> Hi Mr Bleus,
>> 
>> Thanks for the information. It would have been better if the discussion is conducted here in the forum that we all could learn more the nuanced information. 
>> 
>> There has been much opinion that ranges from the 9 being a much different deck from the 7, to both being very similar machines. 
>> 
>> But details matter! 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 08/10/2012, at 1:51 PM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Recently received several inquiries regarding the Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 profiles.  Also requests to see the Nakamichi advert explaining the two decks.  Here's a direct web link to the advert in .jpeg file format for viewing:
>>> 
>>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/images/nakzx7zx9.jpg
>>> 
>>> Rgds,
>>> 
>>> KJ Bleus Parsons
>>> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>>> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:56:57 -0500
>>> From: KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Digest, Vol 115, Issue 17 (Nak ZX9 Info)
>>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Greetings,
>>>  
>>> Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....
>>> 
>>> Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
>>> https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rgds,
>>> 
>>> KJ Bleus Parsons
>>> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>>> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  9 00:19:22 2012
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 15:19:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 Info.....
In-Reply-To: <614D6014-1EC2-424D-A660-483044A841A6@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1349734762.91520.YahooMailClassic@web122004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

There are Electrolytic caps in Playback  circuit worth replacing ( I have seen some of them failing as well)
Bypassing some of these with Polypropylene also a good opporunity to see the impact of such work 
Orange Caps fail wherever these have been seen failing- like Dolby and Bias Oscillator areas
I do not find it worthwhile to replace them all en masse except in 1000ZXL where almost most areas they seem to fail
Kannan

--- On Mon, 10/8/12, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 Info.....
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, October 8, 2012, 4:31 PM




As in cap mods or orange cap re-caps as per your article? 

Sent from my iPhone

On 09/10/2012, at 12:06 AM, kannan srinivasaraghavan <kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com> wrote:








I have seen both inside including service - also replace some important caps in the playback circuit.
Zx 7 is no different from ZX9 - except DD motor -
You can get teh same sound in ZX 7 with a brand new Capstan belt ( correct one)
no other details exist inside !
Kannan

--- On Mon, 10/8/12, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 Info.....
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>, "KJ Bleus Parsons" <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, October 8, 2012, 4:12 AM




Hi Mr Bleus,


Thanks for the information. It would have been better if the discussion is conducted here in the forum that we all could learn more the nuanced information. 


There has been much opinion that ranges from the 9 being a much different deck from the 7, to both being very similar machines. 


But details matter! 

Sent from my iPhone

On 08/10/2012, at 1:51 PM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote:



Recently received several inquiries regarding the Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 profiles.  Also requests to see the Nakamichi advert explaining the two decks.  Here's a direct web link to the advert in .jpeg file format for viewing:

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/images/nakzx7zx9.jpg

Rgds,

KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA

Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W





On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote: 
 
Message: 4
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:56:57 -0500
From: KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Digest, Vol 115, Issue 17 (Nak ZX9 Info)
To: naktalk at naks.com

 
Greetings,
 
Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear.


For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....

Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110


Rgds,

KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA

Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W




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From russellstorey at westnet.com.au  Tue Oct  9 01:56:32 2012
From: russellstorey at westnet.com.au (russellstorey)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 10:56:32 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 Info.....Playback circuit Electro
	Cap Values 
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	<1349734762.91520.YahooMailClassic@web122004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000c01cda5b0$8dcc8370$a9658a50$@com.au>

 “” There are Electrolytic caps in Playback  circuit worth replacing ( I
have seen some of them failing as well) “ 
******************************************************
  How many  Electro  caps did you  change  and what are the 
 Circuit part numbers  ,  Board  Name     
 
 
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ZX7    “ example “   change      C220 = 4.7uf      C120  = 22uF  and
########    ???      on the     Main PCB  Assy








.  
.?


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 ZX9     “example”   change     C201 = 47uf      C101  = 10uF and ########
???       on the     Main PCB  Assy 








.  
.?
 
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Thx  Russ  ..   
 
 
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of kannan srinivasaraghavan
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 9:19 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 Info.....
 

There are Electrolytic caps in Playback  circuit worth replacing ( I have
seen some of them failing as well)
Bypassing some of these with Polypropylene also a good opporunity to see the
impact of such work 
Orange Caps fail wherever these have been seen failing- like Dolby and Bias
Oscillator areas
I do not find it worthwhile to replace them all en masse except in 1000ZXL
where almost most areas they seem to fail
Kannan

--- On Mon, 10/8/12, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 Info.....
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, October 8, 2012, 4:31 PM
As in cap mods or orange cap re-caps as per your article? 

Sent from my iPhone

On 09/10/2012, at 12:06 AM, kannan srinivasaraghavan
<kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com
<http://us.mc1220.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com> >
wrote:

I have seen both inside including service - also replace some important caps
in the playback circuit.
Zx 7 is no different from ZX9 - except DD motor -
You can get teh same sound in ZX 7 with a brand new Capstan belt ( correct
one)
no other details exist inside !
Kannan

--- On Mon, 10/8/12, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com
<http://us.mc1220.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bg3009 at yahoo.com> > wrote:

From: Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com
<http://us.mc1220.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bg3009 at yahoo.com> >
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 Info.....
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com
<http://us.mc1220.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=naktalk at naks.com> >
Cc: "naktalk at naks.com
<http://us.mc1220.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=naktalk at naks.com> "
<naktalk at naks.com
<http://us.mc1220.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=naktalk at naks.com> >, "KJ
Bleus Parsons" <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
<http://us.mc1220.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> >
Date: Monday, October 8, 2012, 4:12 AM
Hi Mr Bleus,
 
Thanks for the information. It would have been better if the discussion is
conducted here in the forum that we all could learn more the nuanced
information. 
 
There has been much opinion that ranges from the 9 being a much different
deck from the 7, to both being very similar machines. 
 
But details matter! 

Sent from my iPhone

On 08/10/2012, at 1:51 PM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
<http://us.mc1220.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> >
wrote:
Recently received several inquiries regarding the Nak ZX-7 & ZX-9 profiles.
Also requests to see the Nakamichi advert explaining the two decks.  Here's
a direct web link to the advert in .jpeg file format for viewing:

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/images/nakzx7zx9.jpg

Rgds,

KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA
Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W





On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
<http://us.mc1220.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> >
wrote: 
 
Message: 4
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:56:57 -0500
From: KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
<http://us.mc1220.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> >
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Digest, Vol 115, Issue 17 (Nak ZX9 Info)
To: naktalk at naks.com
<http://us.mc1220.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=naktalk at naks.com> 

 
Greetings,
 
Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll
have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear.


For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette
decks, check-out this info....

Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE
<https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=
612E47A0425049EE%21110> &id=612E47A0425049EE%21110


Rgds,

KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA
Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
 
 
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From nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 16:11:41 2012
From: nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com (KJ Bleus Parsons)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:11:41 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
Message-ID: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings....

I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years,
both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.

Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak
ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and
marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have
been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned
in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette
tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive
capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads
utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2)
Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance
performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and
sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are
installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.

There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config,
etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info
mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the
Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others
interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.

More info to study:

Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents
archive

Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within
the Naks.Com web pages)

Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html

Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including
yours truly.....
http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews

Open discussion time encouraged......

Rgds,


*KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA*
*nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com*

*Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W*


On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
> wrote into NakTalk Digest:


> Greetings,
>
> Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll
> have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.
>
>
> For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette
> decks, check-out this info....
>
> Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
> *
> https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
> *
>
>
> Rgds,
>
> *KJ Bleus Parsons
> Madison, Wisconsin   USA*
>
> *Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W*
> *
> *
>
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From icmllc at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 18:27:03 2012
From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin Srivastava)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:27:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13BE495A-76B4-420B-88A9-C2A10FD2F3DF@gmail.com>

Hi
I am new here. 
I am currently recording live digital audio using a macpro note book. I also have several R2R 2 track, 8 and 16 tracks for analog recording.
I bought a ZX9 to transfer old (40 year old) cassette recordings to reel and digital before they were lost forever.
Some questions:
1.) Why have a ZX-7 or 9 in a studio? Why both?
2.) Given that you had both, did you ever do a good comparison of the recording and playback differences on the same input source?
Maybe, Nakamichi designed the ZX-9 more for long term stability, reliability etc reaching out to a professional sound engineer.
From an audio perspective 7 may have already reached the plateau......? 

Ashvin

On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:11 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings....
> 
> I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.
> 
> Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  
> 
> There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.
> 
> More info to study:
> 
> Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive
> 
> Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)
> 
> Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html
> 
> Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
> http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews
> 
> Open discussion time encouraged......
> 
> Rgds,
> 
> 
> KJ Bleus Parsons
> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
> nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:
>  
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.
>> 
>> 
>> For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....
>> 
>> Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
>> https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
>> 
>> 
>> Rgds,
>> 
>> KJ Bleus Parsons
>> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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From charles at njau.se  Tue Oct  9 20:38:39 2012
From: charles at njau.se (Charles A Njau)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 20:38:39 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>

Dear All,

I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years  
ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could  
find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because  
I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed  
by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction  
and I won that auction!

Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its  
best before he sent it to me.

I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! Thank  
Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me  
about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this  
deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this  
fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum  
possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!

Thanks you.

Charles A Njau



8 SIGNATURE


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9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:

> Greetings....
>
> I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many  
> years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great  
> pleasure.
>
> Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of  
> the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine  
> adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three  
> highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and  
> brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.   
> in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are  
> refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the  
> "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are  
> meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2)  
> Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance  
> performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input  
> and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output  
> jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.
>
> There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections  
> config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets  
> of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden  
> enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9  
> design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.
>
> More info to study:
>
> Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com  
> documents archive
>
> Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com  
> (within the Naks.Com web pages)
>
> Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html
>
> Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks,  
> including yours truly.....
> http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews
>
> Open discussion time encouraged......
>
> Rgds,
>
>
> KJ Bleus Parsons
> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
> nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com 
> > wrote into NakTalk Digest:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired,  
> I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear  
> <grin>.
>
>
> For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9  
> cassette decks, check-out this info....
>
> Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
> https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee! 
> cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
>
>
> Rgds,
>
> KJ Bleus Parsons
> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From josephjean at verizon.net  Tue Oct  9 22:03:06 2012
From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:03:06 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>
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WOW!



At 02:38 PM 10/9/2012, you wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed 
>me by email some years ago about the exceptional 
>qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find 
>one. After I made these contacts with him I was 
>so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at 
>ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro 
>Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that 
>was on auction and I won that auction!
>
>Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this 
>deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me.
>
>I am so happy with every music it plays! It is 
>like heaven! Thank Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus 
>Parsons for all the information you gave me 
>about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some 
>few photos from this deck that I would like to 
>share with my fellow members in this fantastic 
>forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for 
>making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!
>
>Thanks you.
>
>Charles A Njau
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:
>
>>Greetings....
>>
>>I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in 
>>my studio for many years, both are exemplary 
>>specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.
>>
>>Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned 
>>Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned 
>>in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts 
>>and marketing brochures from the early to mid 
>>1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by 
>>Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also 
>>mentioned in user written reviews, as I 
>>recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette 
>>tape transport components are refined with a 
>>low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, 
>>and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal 
>>alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched 
>>in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) 
>>Improved electronic components have been 
>>incorporated, which enhance performance 
>>specifications, resulting in improved recording 
>>input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold 
>>coated RCA input & output jacks are installed 
>>for improved analogue cable connectivity.
>>
>>There may be other enhancements (wiring or 
>>internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps 
>>others can expand upon the three nuggets of 
>>info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of 
>>those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi 
>>engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, 
>>with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.
>>
>>More info to study:
>>
>>Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed 
>>via the Naks.Com documents archive
>>
>>Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via 
>>VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)
>>
>>Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
>><http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html
>>
>>Here's a web link to several reviews by owners 
>>of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
>><http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews>http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews
>>
>>Open discussion time encouraged......
>>
>>Rgds,
>>
>>
>>KJ Bleus Parsons
>>Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>><mailto:nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com>nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
>>
>>Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus 
>>Parsons 
>><<mailto:nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com>nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> 
>>wrote into NakTalk Digest:
>>
>>Greetings,
>>
>>Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now 
>>that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more 
>>time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.
>>
>>
>>For those that are seeking comparison knowledge 
>>for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....
>>
>>Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
>><https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110>https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
>>
>>
>>Rgds,
>>
>>KJ Bleus Parsons
>>Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>>
>>Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>          Also check out the wiki! 
>> <http://www.naks.com/wiki>http://www.naks.com/wiki
>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>>Maintain your account here: 
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>
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From lenaw at flash.net  Tue Oct  9 22:03:39 2012
From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 13:03:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>
Message-ID: <1349813019.68290.YahooMailRC@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

This one definitely is more elusive than the 1000ZXL-Limited. Congratulation 
!!!!




________________________________
From: Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, October 9, 2012 2:45:18 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info


Dear All,
I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about 
the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I 
made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 
at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial 
number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction! 


Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best 
before he sent it to me. 

I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! Thank Jeff! Thank 
you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I 
have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share 
with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke 
for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!


Thanks you.


Charles A Njau


8 SIGNATURE

7 SERIAL NUMBER
6 REAR
1 FRONT

9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:

Greetings....
>
>I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both 
>are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.
>
>Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, 
>as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing 
>brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by 
>Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written 
>reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport 
>components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and 
>the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously 
>matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components 
>have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in 
>improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA 
>input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  
>
>
>There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  
>so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  
>I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers 
>incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best 
>ever cassette decks.
>
>More info to study:
>
>Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive
>
>Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the 
>Naks.Com web pages)
>
>Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html
>
>Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including 
>yours truly.....
>http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews
>
>
>Open discussion time encouraged......
>
>Rgds,
>
>
>KJ Bleus Parsons
>Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
>
>Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>
>On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> 
>wrote into NakTalk Digest:
>
>
>
>Greetings,
>>
>>Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a 
>>bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.
>>
>>
>>For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette 
>>decks, check-out this info....
>>
>>Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
>>https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
>>
>>
>>
>>Rgds,
>>
>>KJ Bleus Parsons
>>Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>>
>>Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From jeff at eslabs.com  Tue Oct  9 22:41:36 2012
From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:41:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>
Message-ID: <AD500436628A4B2889EE225D846A2720@Galin>

Hi Charles,

Your welcome!

Enjoy!

Sincerely,
Jeff Galin

"Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! 
ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
1807 Berlin Turnpike 
Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST 
Telephone 860-529-3700
 jeff at nakamichi.us    jeff at eslabs.com 
                 www.nakamichi.us


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Charles A Njau 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info


Dear All,


I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!


Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 


I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! Thank Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!


Thanks you.



Charles A Njau





8 SIGNATURE



7 SERIAL NUMBER

6 REAR

1 FRONT


9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:


  Greetings....

  I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.

  Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  

  There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.

  More info to study:

  Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive

  Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)

  Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
  http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html

  Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
  http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews

  Open discussion time encouraged......

  Rgds,


  KJ Bleus Parsons
  Madison, Wisconsin   USA
  nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com

  Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W



  On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:


    Greetings,

    Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.


    For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....

    Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
    https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110


    Rgds,

    KJ Bleus Parsons
    Madison, Wisconsin   USA

    Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W








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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 10 00:30:32 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 08:30:32 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>
Message-ID: <66FD1741-1432-4F27-BBF4-634223C5F125@yahoo.com>

This is one awesome collectible and although it says serial number 1, ESL would have made it top notch. 

Enjoy! 

Sent from my iPhone

On 10/10/2012, at 4:38 AM, Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se> wrote:

> Dear All,
> 
> I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!
> 
> Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 
> 
> I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! Thank Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!
> 
> Thanks you.
> 
> Charles A Njau
> 
> 
> <8 SIGNATURE.jpg>
> 8 SIGNATURE
> 
> <7 SERIAL NUMBER.jpg>
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> 9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:
> 
>> Greetings....
>> 
>> I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.
>> 
>> Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  
>> 
>> There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.
>> 
>> More info to study:
>> 
>> Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive
>> 
>> Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)
>> 
>> Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html
>> 
>> Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
>> http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews
>> 
>> Open discussion time encouraged......
>> 
>> Rgds,
>> 
>> 
>> KJ Bleus Parsons
>> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>> nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
>> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:
>>  
>>> Greetings,
>>> 
>>> Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....
>>> 
>>> Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
>>> https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rgds,
>>> 
>>> KJ Bleus Parsons
>>> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>>> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> 
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  9 23:17:53 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 14:17:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>
Message-ID: <1349817473.16038.YahooMailNeo@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Been reading up on quite a bit of ZX9/7 talk here lately .

I had the luck of winning an ebay auction in 2006 of a pristine unopened( for repair or mod) ZX9 from the original owner with the bias/level knob covers intact for a fair price.
This deck has needed in 2008 a belt change and thats all. Every function of it operates perfectly and it is amongst the top decks in my rack at home. I personally love its sound and 
it has a certain Je Ne sais quoi about it that is inexplicable. It sounds different from all the high end Nak decks and is to me very sweet( and amongst the best) sounding with a wide soundstage and perfectly balanced bass and treble.

It has an easy to tune( to any tape) interface and the recordings made by this one rivals( and beats) most top Naks. I have heard ESL/Willy serviced Dragons and Cr7s, but this ZX9 IMO beats them in playback and recorded sound, when compared. The ZX7 that I have is almost equally good sounding. I feel the bass is a bit better defined in the ZX9. May be the DD capstan has a lot to do with it? I don't know.

In my experience I would give the ZX9 high marks due to its relative need for low maintenance and excellent reliability as compared to other high end Naks. A deck that will adorn the rack for a long long time.

Ram.


________________________________
 From: Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
 

Dear All,
I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!

Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 

I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! Thank Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!


Thanks you.


Charles A Njau


8 SIGNATURE

7 SERIAL NUMBER
6 REAR
1 FRONT

9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:

Greetings....
>
>I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.
>
>Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  
>
>There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.
>
>More info to study:
>
>Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive
>
>Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)
>
>Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html
>
>Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
>http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews
>
>Open discussion time encouraged......
>
>Rgds,
>
>
>KJ Bleus Parsons
>Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
>
>Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>
>On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:
>
> 
>Greetings,
>>
>>Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.
>>
>>
>>For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....
>>
>>Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
>>https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
>>
>>
>>Rgds,
>>
>>KJ Bleus Parsons
>>Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>>
>>Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>>
>>
>>
>
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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  9 23:24:57 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:24:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <0MBN000T36D5X220@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>,
	<0MBN000T36D5X220@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <BAY156-W7B20C79F3410AFC7B031EE38F0@phx.gbl>


you lucky bast......
 
greetings from germany,.
 



Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:03:06 -0400
To: naktalk at naks.com
From: josephjean at verizon.net
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info

WOW!



At 02:38 PM 10/9/2012, you wrote:

Dear All,

I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!

Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 

I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! Thank Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!

Thanks you.

Charles A Njau


 
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9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:


Greetings....

I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.

Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  

There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.

More info to study:

Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive

Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)

Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html

Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews 

Open discussion time encouraged......

Rgds,


KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA
nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com

Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W


On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons < nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:
 


Greetings,


Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.



For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....


Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)

https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110 



Rgds,


KJ Bleus Parsons

Madison, Wisconsin   USA


Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W






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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 10 00:53:09 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:53:09 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <AD500436628A4B2889EE225D846A2720@Galin>
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>,
	<AD500436628A4B2889EE225D846A2720@Galin>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W420E2245799C4E242B2A5DB8F0@phx.gbl>



Great Charles. 
Perhaps I'm a part of this since you bought from me the set of six bias covers which goes with this?


 
----- Original Message ----- 

From: Charles A Njau 
To: Talk 
about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 
info


Dear All,

I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some 
years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find 
one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one 
Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, 
production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!


Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best 
before he sent it to me. 


I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! Thank Jeff! 
Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for 
all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some 
few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in 
this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum 
possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!


Thanks you.



Charles A Njau





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From charles at njau.se  Wed Oct 10 11:26:51 2012
From: charles at njau.se (Charles A Njau)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:26:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W420E2245799C4E242B2A5DB8F0@phx.gbl>
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>,
	<AD500436628A4B2889EE225D846A2720@Galin>
	<SNT111-W420E2245799C4E242B2A5DB8F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BF015860-947B-4801-A19E-AA4C09BB8288@njau.se>

Thank you Mark!

Yes indeed you are part of this because you sold me your bias covers  
that were in perfect conditions for this unique Nakamichi ZX-9!

I thank you again Mark!
Cheers!
Charles

10 okt 2012 kl. 00.53 skrev Mark Exstedt:

>
> Great Charles.
> Perhaps I'm a part of this since you bought from me the set of six  
> bias covers which goes with this?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles A Njau
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>
> Dear All,
>
> I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some  
> years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how  
> I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so  
> lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS  
> that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit  
> that was on auction and I won that auction!
>
> Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at  
> its best before he sent it to me.
>
> I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! Thank  
> Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me  
> about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from  
> this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this  
> fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this  
> forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!
>
> Thanks you.
>
> Charles A Njau
>
>
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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 10 19:07:20 2012
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:07:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W420E2245799C4E242B2A5DB8F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1349888840.87948.YahooMailClassic@web184704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Mark, Do you by any chance have the bias knobs (not the covers)? I need 2.Thanks, Bob

--- On Tue, 10/9/12, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 9, 2012, 3:53 PM






Great Charles. 
Perhaps I'm a part of this since you bought from me the set of six bias covers which goes with this?


 
----- Original Message ----- 

From: Charles A Njau 
To: Talk 
about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 
info


Dear All,

I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some 
years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find 
one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one 
Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, 
production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!


Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best 
before he sent it to me. 


I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! Thank Jeff! 
Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for 
all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some 
few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in 
this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum 
possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!


Thanks you.



Charles A Njau





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From charles at njau.se  Thu Oct 11 15:50:35 2012
From: charles at njau.se (Charles A Njau)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:50:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <AD500436628A4B2889EE225D846A2720@Galin>
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>
	<AD500436628A4B2889EE225D846A2720@Galin>
Message-ID: <E8A8EA77-11BC-43A0-9B95-2193ABBE499A@njau.se>

Hi Jeff!

I am so happy and overwhelmed by the facts that I won this auction  
from your company and for your excellent efforts of making this unique  
Nakamichi ZX-9 deck sound at its best before you sent it to me! May  
God Bless You Always!
Thank you!

Sincerely,

Charles A Njau

9 okt 2012 kl. 22.41 skrev <jeff at eslabs.com> <jeff at eslabs.com>:

> Hi Charles,
>
> Your welcome!
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Sincerely,
> Jeff Galin
>
> "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975!
> ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
> 1807 Berlin Turnpike
> Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
> By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST
> Telephone 860-529-3700
>  jeff at nakamichi.us    jeff at eslabs.com
>                  www.nakamichi.us
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles A Njau
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>
> Dear All,
>
> I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some  
> years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how  
> I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so  
> lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS  
> that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit  
> that was on auction and I won that auction!
>
> Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at  
> its best before he sent it to me.
>
> I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! I thank  
> you Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you  
> gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos  
> from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in  
> this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making  
> this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!
>
> Thank you.
>
> Charles A Njau
>
>
> <8 SIGNATURE.jpg>
> 8 SIGNATURE
>
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>
> 9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:
>
>> Greetings....
>>
>> I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many  
>> years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great  
>> pleasure.
>>
>> Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of  
>> the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine  
>> adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three  
>> highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and  
>> brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.   
>> in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are  
>> refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and  
>> the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are  
>> meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2)  
>> Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which  
>> enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording  
>> input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input &  
>> output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.
>>
>> There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections  
>> config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets  
>> of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden  
>> enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9  
>> design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette  
>> decks.
>>
>> More info to study:
>>
>> Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com  
>> documents archive
>>
>> Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com  
>> (within the Naks.Com web pages)
>>
>> Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html
>>
>> Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks,  
>> including yours truly.....
>> http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews
>>
>> Open discussion time encouraged......
>>
>> Rgds,
>>
>>
>> KJ Bleus Parsons
>> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>> nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
>> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com 
>> > wrote into NakTalk Digest:
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired,  
>> I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear  
>> <grin>.
>>
>>
>> For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9  
>> cassette decks, check-out this info....
>>
>> Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
>> https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee! 
>> cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
>>
>>
>> Rgds,
>>
>> KJ Bleus Parsons
>> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From charles at njau.se  Thu Oct 11 15:50:38 2012
From: charles at njau.se (Charles A Njau)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:50:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
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Thank you for sharing your experiences with this deck Ram! I am  
specially mesmerized by the beautiful and unique way this Nakamichi  
ZX-9 handles every music it plays. It is also my friends special  
favorite when they come to visit us. I have other 16 Nakamichi decks,  
but this one crowns my collection! I am so lucky to have it! Thanks to  
this unique forum for enlightening me and for all the generosity of  
time given and the fascinating knowledge and experiences shared by all  
the members of this fantastic forum!

Thank you to you all!

Cheers!

Charles A Njau

9 okt 2012 kl. 23.17 skrev shanti ramachandran:

> Been reading up on quite a bit of ZX9/7 talk here lately .
>
> I had the luck of winning an ebay auction in 2006 of a pristine  
> unopened( for repair or mod) ZX9 from the original owner with the  
> bias/level knob covers intact for a fair price.
> This deck has needed in 2008 a belt change and thats all. Every  
> function of it operates perfectly and it is amongst the top decks in  
> my rack at home. I personally love its sound and
> it has a certain Je Ne sais quoi about it that is inexplicable. It  
> sounds different from all the high end Nak decks and is to me very  
> sweet( and amongst the best) sounding with a wide soundstage and  
> perfectly balanced bass and treble.
>
> It has an easy to tune( to any tape) interface and the recordings  
> made by this one rivals( and beats) most top Naks. I have heard ESL/ 
> Willy serviced Dragons and Cr7s, but this ZX9 IMO beats them in  
> playback and recorded sound, when compared. The ZX7 that I have is  
> almost equally good sounding. I feel the bass is a bit better  
> defined in the ZX9. May be the DD capstan has a lot to do with it? I  
> don't know.
>
> In my experience I would give the ZX9 high marks due to its relative  
> need for low maintenance and excellent reliability as compared to  
> other high end Naks. A deck that will adorn the rack for a long long  
> time.
>
> Ram.
>
> From: Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>
> Dear All,
>
> I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some  
> years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how  
> I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so  
> lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS  
> that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit  
> that was on auction and I won that auction!
>
> Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at  
> its best before he sent it to me.
>
> I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! I thank  
> you Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you  
> gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos  
> from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in  
> this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making  
> this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!
>
> Thank you.
>
> Charles A Njau
>
>
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> 1 FRONT
>
> 9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:
>
>> Greetings....
>>
>> I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many  
>> years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great  
>> pleasure.
>>
>> Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of  
>> the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine  
>> adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three  
>> highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and  
>> brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.   
>> in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are  
>> refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and  
>> the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are  
>> meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2)  
>> Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which  
>> enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording  
>> input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input &  
>> output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.
>>
>> There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections  
>> config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets  
>> of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden  
>> enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9  
>> design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette  
>> decks.
>>
>> More info to study:
>>
>> Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com  
>> documents archive
>>
>> Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com  
>> (within the Naks.Com web pages)
>>
>> Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html
>>
>> Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks,  
>> including yours truly.....
>> http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews
>>
>> Open discussion time encouraged......
>>
>> Rgds,
>>
>>
>> KJ Bleus Parsons
>> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>> nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
>> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com 
>> > wrote into NakTalk Digest:
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired,  
>> I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear  
>> <grin>.
>>
>>
>> For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9  
>> cassette decks, check-out this info....
>>
>> Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
>> https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee! 
>> cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
>>
>>
>> Rgds,
>>
>> KJ Bleus Parsons
>> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From josephjean at verizon.net  Thu Oct 11 17:35:25 2012
From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:35:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <E8A8EA77-11BC-43A0-9B95-2193ABBE499A@njau.se>
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>
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Curiosity gets to us all.

What was the winning bid?  My guess is around $4500


At 09:50 AM 10/11/2012, you wrote:
>Hi Jeff!
>
>I am so happy and overwhelmed by the facts that 
>I won this auction from your company and for 
>your excellent efforts of making this unique 
>Nakamichi ZX-9 deck sound at its best before you 
>sent it to me! May God Bless You Always!
>Thank you!
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Charles A Njau
>
>9 okt 2012 kl. 22.41 skrev 
><<mailto:jeff at eslabs.com>jeff at eslabs.com> 
><<mailto:jeff at eslabs.com>jeff at eslabs.com>:
>
>>Hi Charles,
>>
>>Your welcome!
>>
>>Enjoy!
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Jeff Galin
>>
>>"Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975!
>>ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
>>1807 Berlin Turnpike
>>Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
>>By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST
>>Telephone 860-529-3700
>>  <mailto:jeff at nakamichi.us>jeff at nakamichi.us 
>>   <mailto:jeff at eslabs.com>jeff at eslabs.com
>>                  <http://www.nakamichi.us>www.nakamichi.us
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:charles at njau.se>Charles A Njau
>>To: <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:38 PM
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>>
>>Dear All,
>>
>>I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed 
>>me by email some years ago about the 
>>exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how 
>>I could find one. After I made these contacts 
>>with him I was so lucky because I found one 
>>Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that 
>>was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial 
>>number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!
>>
>>Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this 
>>deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me.
>>
>>I am so happy with every music it plays! It is 
>>like heaven! I thank you Jeff! Thank you KJ 
>>Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave 
>>me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below 
>>some few photos from this deck that I would 
>>like to share with my fellow members in this 
>>fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter 
>>Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>Charles A Njau
>>
>>
>><8 SIGNATURE.jpg>
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>>
>>9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:
>>
>>>Greetings....
>>>
>>>I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked 
>>>in my studio for many years, both are 
>>>exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.
>>>
>>>Subtle enhancements constitute the 
>>>"Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, 
>>>as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio 
>>>magazine adverts and marketing brochures from 
>>>the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have 
>>>been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts 
>>>and brochures, also mentioned in user written 
>>>reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 
>>>1)  Cassette tape transport components are 
>>>refined with a low resonance direct-drive 
>>>capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head 
>>>Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are 
>>>meticulously matched in a use marriage of near 
>>>perfection.  2) Improved electronic components 
>>>have been incorporated, which enhance 
>>>performance specifications, resulting in 
>>>improved recording input and sound-stage 
>>>clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & 
>>>output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.
>>>
>>>There may be other enhancements (wiring or 
>>>internal connections config, etc?);  so 
>>>perhaps others can expand upon the three 
>>>nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to 
>>>learn of those hidden enhancements the 
>>>Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 
>>>design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.
>>>
>>>More info to study:
>>>
>>>Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed 
>>>via the Naks.Com documents archive
>>>
>>>Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via 
>>>VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)
>>>
>>>Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
>>><http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html
>>>
>>>Here's a web link to several reviews by owners 
>>>of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
>>><http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews>http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews
>>>
>>>Open discussion time encouraged......
>>>
>>>Rgds,
>>>
>>>
>>>KJ Bleus Parsons
>>>Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>>><mailto:nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com>nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
>>>
>>>Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus 
>>>Parsons 
>>><<mailto:nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com>nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> 
>>>wrote into NakTalk Digest:
>>>
>>>Greetings,
>>>
>>>Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now 
>>>that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more 
>>>time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.
>>>
>>>
>>>For those that are seeking comparison 
>>>knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....
>>>
>>>Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
>>><https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110>https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
>>>
>>>
>>>Rgds,
>>>
>>>KJ Bleus Parsons
>>>Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>>>
>>>Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>          Also check out the wiki! 
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>>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>> 
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 11 18:23:32 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 02:23:32 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W420E2245799C4E242B2A5DB8F0@phx.gbl>
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Hi Mark,

Do you have more then one set of those covers or was it a one off thing? I am looking for those covers as well. 

Thanks. 
Bala 

Sent from my iPhone

On 10/10/2012, at 8:53 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Great Charles. 
> Perhaps I'm a part of this since you bought from me the set of six bias covers which goes with this?
> 
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles A Njau
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction! 
> 
> Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 
> 
> I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! Thank Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!
> 
> Thanks you.
> 
> Charles A Njau
> 
> 
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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 11 17:31:46 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 17:31:46 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <E8A8EA77-11BC-43A0-9B95-2193ABBE499A@njau.se>
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>,
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good to hear that music (especially when played on an excellent machine) can bring somone so much delight.I have a Nak ZX-9 myself and am very content with this deck.. it´s my first nak and it will stay with me till I die (or it dies first..) I do however have a slight problem… up until now it has happened twice that the sound on de right has dropped a couple of dB..I twisted and turned every knob and found that it was the tape/ source selector switch which was the problem (on the second occasionI immediately went for the selector and by turning it once or twice the signal returned on the right and has stayed so up until now..) anyone suffered the same problem and what best to do about it? (I reccon just cleaning the selector, but with what and how best to get at it..)  greetz from germaniaPieter 
From: charles at njau.se
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:50:35 +0200

Hi Jeff!
I am so happy and overwhelmed by the facts that I won this auction from your company and for your excellent efforts of making this unique Nakamichi ZX-9 deck sound at its best before you sent it to me! May God Bless You Always!Thank you!
Sincerely,
Charles A Njau
9 okt 2012 kl. 22.41 skrev <jeff at eslabs.com> <jeff at eslabs.com>:Hi Charles, Your welcome! Enjoy! Sincerely,
Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! 
ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
1807 Berlin Turnpike 
Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST 
Telephone 860-529-3700
 jeff at nakamichi.us    jeff at eslabs.com 
                 www.nakamichi.us
 ----- Original Message -----From: Charles A NjauTo: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:38 PMSubject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
Dear All,
I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!
Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 
I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! I thank you Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!
Thank you.

Charles A Njau

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9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:Greetings....

I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.

Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  

There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.

More info to study:

Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive

Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)

Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html

Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews

Open discussion time encouraged......

Rgds,


KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA
nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:
 Greetings,

Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.


For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....

Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110


Rgds,

KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA
Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W





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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 11 19:27:47 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:27:47 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <E01A2260-F7EC-4F86-8248-E513540B51DB@yahoo.com>
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>,
	<AD500436628A4B2889EE225D846A2720@Galin>,
	<SNT111-W420E2245799C4E242B2A5DB8F0@phx.gbl>,
	<E01A2260-F7EC-4F86-8248-E513540B51DB@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W3F882E133E3E53F422571DB8D0@phx.gbl>


 I have no extra Nak parts whatsoever. Another member just asked me for two bias knobs.Charles bought the set of bias covers from my second ZX-7.The local original owner mentioned he never took them off as he described the deck 'too technical for him'.I truly believed he never took them off as they were quite hard to remove.With all this talk about ZX-7/9, guess that keeps me from selling these decks!
 CC: naktalk at naks.com
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 02:23:32 +1000
To: naktalk at naks.com

Hi Mark,
Do you have more then one set of those covers or was it a one off thing? I am looking for those covers as well. 
Thanks. Bala 

Sent from my iPhone
On 10/10/2012, at 8:53 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:






Great Charles. 
Perhaps I'm a part of this since you bought from me the set of six bias covers which goes with this?


 
----- Original Message ----- 

From: Charles A Njau 
To: Talk 
about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 
info


Dear All,

I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some 
years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find 
one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one 
Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, 
production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!


Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best 
before he sent it to me. 


I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! Thank Jeff! 
Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for 
all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some 
few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in 
this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum 
possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!


Thanks you.



Charles



 
 

 		 	   		  
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 21:58:08 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:58:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W3F882E133E3E53F422571DB8D0@phx.gbl>
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>,
	<AD500436628A4B2889EE225D846A2720@Galin>,
	<SNT111-W420E2245799C4E242B2A5DB8F0@phx.gbl>,
	<E01A2260-F7EC-4F86-8248-E513540B51DB@yahoo.com>
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Hi Bala!

How many from this  ZX-7 and ZX-9 Covers do you need ?

regards

Gerhard
Am 11.10.2012 um 19:27 schrieb Mark Exstedt:

>
> I have no extra Nak parts whatsoever. Another member just asked me  
> for two bias knobs.
> Charles bought the set of bias covers from my second ZX-7.
> The local original owner mentioned he never took them off as he  
> described the deck 'too technical for him'.
> I truly believed he never took them off as they were quite hard to  
> remove.
> With all this talk about ZX-7/9, guess that keeps me from selling  
> these decks!
>
> CC: naktalk at naks.com
> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 02:23:32 +1000
> To: naktalk at naks.com
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Do you have more then one set of those covers or was it a one off  
> thing? I am looking for those covers as well.
>
> Thanks.
> Bala
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 10/10/2012, at 8:53 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Great Charles.
> Perhaps I'm a part of this since you bought from me the set of six  
> bias covers which goes with this?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles A Njau
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>
> Dear All,
>
> I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some  
> years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how  
> I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so  
> lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE  
> LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1  
> unit that was on auction and I won that auction!
>
> Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at  
> its best before he sent it to me.
>
> I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! Thank  
> Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave  
> me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from  
> this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this  
> fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this  
> forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!
>
> Thanks you.
>
> Charles
>
>
>
>
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 11 22:16:44 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:16:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <61D90C68-6ABA-4ABB-9214-00874EBE43BF@njau.se>
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>
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I agree Charles. It is through the discussions of various Naks here that I have also accumulated a sizeable Nakamichi collection within a 7 year time frame. It's now 21 and I just added an AIWA XK-S9000 to the Nak stable.

Anyone wants to share their experience with the AIWA, of course as compared to the Naks?

Ram.



On Oct 11, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se> wrote:

> Thank you for sharing your experiences with this deck Ram! I am specially mesmerized by the beautiful and unique way this Nakamichi ZX-9 handles every music it plays. It is also my friends special favorite when they come to visit us. I have other 16 Nakamichi decks, but this one crowns my collection! I am so lucky to have it! Thanks to this unique forum for enlightening me and for all the generosity of time given and the fascinating knowledge and experiences shared by all the members of this fantastic forum!
> 
> Thank you to you all!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Charles A Njau
> 
> 9 okt 2012 kl. 23.17 skrev shanti ramachandran:
> 
>> Been reading up on quite a bit of ZX9/7 talk here lately .
>> 
>> I had the luck of winning an ebay auction in 2006 of a pristine unopened( for repair or mod) ZX9 from the original owner with the bias/level knob covers intact for a fair price.
>> This deck has needed in 2008 a belt change and thats all. Every function of it operates perfectly and it is amongst the top decks in my rack at home. I personally love its sound and 
>> it has a certain Je Ne sais quoi about it that is inexplicable. It sounds different from all the high end Nak decks and is to me very sweet( and amongst the best) sounding with a wide soundstage and perfectly balanced bass and treble.
>> 
>> It has an easy to tune( to any tape) interface and the recordings made by this one rivals( and beats) most top Naks. I have heard ESL/Willy serviced Dragons and Cr7s, but this ZX9 IMO beats them in playback and recorded sound, when compared. The ZX7 that I have is almost equally good sounding. I feel the bass is a bit better defined in the ZX9. May be the DD capstan has a lot to do with it? I don't know.
>> 
>> In my experience I would give the ZX9 high marks due to its relative need for low maintenance and excellent reliability as compared to other high end Naks. A deck that will adorn the rack for a long long time.
>> 
>> Ram.
>> 
>> From: Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se>
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>> 
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!
>> 
>> Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 
>> 
>> I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! I thank you Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Charles A Njau
>> 
>> 
>> <8 SIGNATURE.jpg>
>> 8 SIGNATURE
>> 
>> <7 SERIAL NUMBER.jpg>
>> 7 SERIAL NUMBER
>> <6 REAR.jpg>
>> 6 REAR
>> <1 FRONT.jpg>
>> 1 FRONT
>> 
>> 9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:
>> 
>>> Greetings....
>>> 
>>> I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.
>>> 
>>> Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  
>>> 
>>> There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.
>>> 
>>> More info to study:
>>> 
>>> Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive
>>> 
>>> Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)
>>> 
>>> Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
>>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html
>>> 
>>> Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
>>> http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews
>>> 
>>> Open discussion time encouraged......
>>> 
>>> Rgds,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> KJ Bleus Parsons
>>> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>>> nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
>>> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:
>>>  
>>> Greetings,
>>> 
>>> Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....
>>> 
>>> Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
>>> https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rgds,
>>> 
>>> KJ Bleus Parsons
>>> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>>> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 11 22:41:10 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 06:41:10 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <543B398F-E455-4AF8-810F-D4C11FCEAA22@gmail.com>
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>
	<AD500436628A4B2889EE225D846A2720@Galin>
	<SNT111-W420E2245799C4E242B2A5DB8F0@phx.gbl>
	<E01A2260-F7EC-4F86-8248-E513540B51DB@yahoo.com>
	<SNT111-W3F882E133E3E53F422571DB8D0@phx.gbl>
	<543B398F-E455-4AF8-810F-D4C11FCEAA22@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68159776-FD87-4554-B359-E68D5CD102BA@yahoo.com>

Hi Gerhard, 

I am looking for a complete set of six covers for the '9. Thanks! 



Sent from my iPhone

On 12/10/2012, at 5:58 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Bala!
> 
> How many from this  ZX-7 and ZX-9 Covers do you need ?
> 
> regards
> 
> Gerhard
> Am 11.10.2012 um 19:27 schrieb Mark Exstedt:
> 
>>  
>> I have no extra Nak parts whatsoever. Another member just asked me for two bias knobs.
>> Charles bought the set of bias covers from my second ZX-7.
>> The local original owner mentioned he never took them off as he described the deck 'too technical for him'.
>> I truly believed he never took them off as they were quite hard to remove.
>> With all this talk about ZX-7/9, guess that keeps me from selling these decks!
>>  
>> CC: naktalk at naks.com
>> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 02:23:32 +1000
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Do you have more then one set of those covers or was it a one off thing? I am looking for those covers as well. 
>> 
>> Thanks. 
>> Bala 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 10/10/2012, at 8:53 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Great Charles. 
>> Perhaps I'm a part of this since you bought from me the set of six bias covers which goes with this?
>> 
>>  
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Charles A Njau
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>> 
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!
>> 
>> Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 
>> 
>> I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! Thank Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!
>> 
>> Thanks you.
>> 
>> Charles
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Thu Oct 11 23:05:29 2012
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:05:29 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <E01A2848-DCCF-4F18-9C59-41A621875E26@yahoo.com>
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>	<C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>	<1349817473.16038.YahooMailNeo@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<61D90C68-6ABA-4ABB-9214-00874EBE43BF@njau.se>
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Hey Ram, I have some experience with the Aiwa. Beautiful looking deck but not so reliable. The one I played with had problems with the switches and pots. Very noisy! It could have been the environment it was stored…Some humidity. The motorized door was hard to get used too as well.

 

Vic       

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:17 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info

 

I agree Charles. It is through the discussions of various Naks here that I have also accumulated a sizeable Nakamichi collection within a 7 year time frame. It's now 21 and I just added an AIWA XK-S9000 to the Nak stable.

 

Anyone wants to share their experience with the AIWA, of course as compared to the Naks?

 

Ram.




On Oct 11, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se> wrote:

Thank you for sharing your experiences with this deck Ram! I am specially mesmerized by the beautiful and unique way this Nakamichi ZX-9 handles every music it plays. It is also my friends special favorite when they come to visit us. I have other 16 Nakamichi decks, but this one crowns my collection! I am so lucky to have it! Thanks to this unique forum for enlightening me and for all the generosity of time given and the fascinating knowledge and experiences shared by all the members of this fantastic forum!

 

Thank you to you all!

 

Cheers!

 

Charles A Njau

 

9 okt 2012 kl. 23.17 skrev shanti ramachandran:





Been reading up on quite a bit of ZX9/7 talk here lately .

 

I had the luck of winning an ebay auction in 2006 of a pristine unopened( for repair or mod) ZX9 from the original owner with the bias/level knob covers intact for a fair price.

This deck has needed in 2008 a belt change and thats all. Every function of it operates perfectly and it is amongst the top decks in my rack at home. I personally love its sound and 

it has a certain Je Ne sais quoi about it that is inexplicable. It sounds different from all the high end Nak decks and is to me very sweet( and amongst the best) sounding with a wide soundstage and perfectly balanced bass and treble.

 

It has an easy to tune( to any tape) interface and the recordings made by this one rivals( and beats) most top Naks. I have heard ESL/Willy serviced Dragons and Cr7s, but this ZX9 IMO beats them in playback and recorded sound, when compared. The ZX7 that I have is almost equally good sounding. I feel the bass is a bit better defined in the ZX9. May be the DD capstan has a lot to do with it? I don't know.

 

In my experience I would give the ZX9 high marks due to its relative need for low maintenance and excellent reliability as compared to other high end Naks. A deck that will adorn the rack for a long long time.

 

Ram.

 


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From: Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info

 

Dear All,

 

I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!

 

Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 

 

I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! I thank you Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!

 

Thank you.

 

Charles A Njau

 

 

<8 SIGNATURE.jpg>

8 SIGNATURE

 

<7 SERIAL NUMBER.jpg>

7 SERIAL NUMBER

<6 REAR.jpg>

6 REAR

<1 FRONT.jpg>

1 FRONT

 

9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:





Greetings....

I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.

Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  

There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.

More info to study:

Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive

Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)

Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html

Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews

Open discussion time encouraged......

Rgds,


KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA
nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com

Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W



On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:

 

Greetings,

Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.


For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....

Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE <https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110> &id=612E47A0425049EE%21110


Rgds,

KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA

Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W








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From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:42:04 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <006c01cda7f4$249cb140$6dd613c0$@math.utah.edu>
References: <CAAbKz-F2fPpe_ggcGZ2AwJ9x4NEpPqL6rUZp=aq0=nCp+2HPQg@mail.gmail.com>	<C751D49F-523E-402A-A7F1-934346D02A49@njau.se>	<1349817473.16038.YahooMailNeo@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<61D90C68-6ABA-4ABB-9214-00874EBE43BF@njau.se>	<E01A2848-DCCF-4F18-9C59-41A621875E26@yahoo.com>
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I have experience with the F660; it’s not the highest in the line, but sound wise it is not different to the F 990. Superb sound; almost as wonderful as my Akai GX 912 (the only model Akai branded  with the “Professional” logo). However, while the Akai is a tank, I must agree with Victor on this one, the Aiwa died on me and there was no way it could be saved. The transport IC died.

If anyone wants the complete transport or any other part of the Aiwa F660 (like all my gear it looks like a museum item), you can have those for free (you pay for shipping). I believe I still have the front and the cassette tray and the transport complete with heads. I still might have the rest but this needs some search in my shit.

So, Dudes, just let me know if you want something because it’s free. If you don’t like to be called “dudes” just say so, however I don’t mean it in any offensive way.

 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:05 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info

 

Hey Ram, I have some experience with the Aiwa. Beautiful looking deck but not so reliable. The one I played with had problems with the switches and pots. Very noisy! It could have been the environment it was stored…Some humidity. The motorized door was hard to get used too as well.

 

Vic       

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:17 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info

 

I agree Charles. It is through the discussions of various Naks here that I have also accumulated a sizeable Nakamichi collection within a 7 year time frame. It's now 21 and I just added an AIWA XK-S9000 to the Nak stable.

 

Anyone wants to share their experience with the AIWA, of course as compared to the Naks?

 

Ram.


On Oct 11, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se> wrote:

Thank you for sharing your experiences with this deck Ram! I am specially mesmerized by the beautiful and unique way this Nakamichi ZX-9 handles every music it plays. It is also my friends special favorite when they come to visit us. I have other 16 Nakamichi decks, but this one crowns my collection! I am so lucky to have it! Thanks to this unique forum for enlightening me and for all the generosity of time given and the fascinating knowledge and experiences shared by all the members of this fantastic forum!

 

Thank you to you all!

 

Cheers!

 

Charles A Njau

 

9 okt 2012 kl. 23.17 skrev shanti ramachandran:

 

Been reading up on quite a bit of ZX9/7 talk here lately .

 

I had the luck of winning an ebay auction in 2006 of a pristine unopened( for repair or mod) ZX9 from the original owner with the bias/level knob covers intact for a fair price.

This deck has needed in 2008 a belt change and thats all. Every function of it operates perfectly and it is amongst the top decks in my rack at home. I personally love its sound and 

it has a certain Je Ne sais quoi about it that is inexplicable. It sounds different from all the high end Nak decks and is to me very sweet( and amongst the best) sounding with a wide soundstage and perfectly balanced bass and treble.

 

It has an easy to tune( to any tape) interface and the recordings made by this one rivals( and beats) most top Naks. I have heard ESL/Willy serviced Dragons and Cr7s, but this ZX9 IMO beats them in playback and recorded sound, when compared. The ZX7 that I have is almost equally good sounding. I feel the bass is a bit better defined in the ZX9. May be the DD capstan has a lot to do with it? I don't know.

 

In my experience I would give the ZX9 high marks due to its relative need for low maintenance and excellent reliability as compared to other high end Naks. A deck that will adorn the rack for a long long time.

 

Ram.

 


  _____  


From: Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info

 

Dear All,

 

I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!

 

Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 

 

I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! I thank you Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!

 

Thank you.

 

Charles A Njau

 

 

<8 SIGNATURE.jpg>

8 SIGNATURE

 

<7 SERIAL NUMBER.jpg>

7 SERIAL NUMBER

<6 REAR.jpg>

6 REAR

<1 FRONT.jpg>

1 FRONT

 

9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:

 

Greetings....

I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.

Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  

There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.

More info to study:

Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive

Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)

Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html

Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews

Open discussion time encouraged......

Rgds,


KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA
nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com

Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W



On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:

 

Greetings,

Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.


For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....

Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE <https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110> &id=612E47A0425049EE%21110


Rgds,

KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA

Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W

 




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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 12 01:25:35 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:25:35 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
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And the sound quality?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 11, 2012, at 5:05 PM, "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> wrote:

> Hey Ram, I have some experience with the Aiwa. Beautiful looking deck but not so reliable. The one I played with had problems with the switches and pots. Very noisy! It could have been the environment it was stored…Some humidity. The motorized door was hard to get used too as well.
>  
> Vic      
>  
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:17 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>  
> I agree Charles. It is through the discussions of various Naks here that I have also accumulated a sizeable Nakamichi collection within a 7 year time frame. It's now 21 and I just added an AIWA XK-S9000 to the Nak stable.
>  
> Anyone wants to share their experience with the AIWA, of course as compared to the Naks?
>  
> Ram.
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 11, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for sharing your experiences with this deck Ram! I am specially mesmerized by the beautiful and unique way this Nakamichi ZX-9 handles every music it plays. It is also my friends special favorite when they come to visit us. I have other 16 Nakamichi decks, but this one crowns my collection! I am so lucky to have it! Thanks to this unique forum for enlightening me and for all the generosity of time given and the fascinating knowledge and experiences shared by all the members of this fantastic forum!
>  
> Thank you to you all!
>  
> Cheers!
>  
> Charles A Njau
>  
> 9 okt 2012 kl. 23.17 skrev shanti ramachandran:
> 
> 
> Been reading up on quite a bit of ZX9/7 talk here lately .
>  
> I had the luck of winning an ebay auction in 2006 of a pristine unopened( for repair or mod) ZX9 from the original owner with the bias/level knob covers intact for a fair price.
> This deck has needed in 2008 a belt change and thats all. Every function of it operates perfectly and it is amongst the top decks in my rack at home. I personally love its sound and 
> it has a certain Je Ne sais quoi about it that is inexplicable. It sounds different from all the high end Nak decks and is to me very sweet( and amongst the best) sounding with a wide soundstage and perfectly balanced bass and treble.
>  
> It has an easy to tune( to any tape) interface and the recordings made by this one rivals( and beats) most top Naks. I have heard ESL/Willy serviced Dragons and Cr7s, but this ZX9 IMO beats them in playback and recorded sound, when compared. The ZX7 that I have is almost equally good sounding. I feel the bass is a bit better defined in the ZX9. May be the DD capstan has a lot to do with it? I don't know.
>  
> In my experience I would give the ZX9 high marks due to its relative need for low maintenance and excellent reliability as compared to other high end Naks. A deck that will adorn the rack for a long long time.
>  
> Ram.
>  
> From: Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>  
> Dear All,
>  
> I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!
>  
> Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 
>  
> I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! I thank you Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> Charles A Njau
>  
>  
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>  
> 9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:
> 
> 
> Greetings....
> 
> I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.
> 
> Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  
> 
> There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.
> 
> More info to study:
> 
> Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive
> 
> Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)
> 
> Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html
> 
> Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
> http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews
> 
> Open discussion time encouraged......
> 
> Rgds,
> 
> 
> KJ Bleus Parsons
> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
> nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:
>  
> Greetings,
> 
> Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.
> 
> 
> For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....
> 
> Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
> https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
> 
> 
> Rgds,
> 
> KJ Bleus Parsons
> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 12 01:48:55 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:48:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
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No offense taken at all Adrian. Thanks for the feedback. 
What I want to know us about the sound of the Aiwa Xk-s9000.....as compared with the top Naks. 

Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 11, 2012, at 6:42 PM, "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

> I have experience with the F660; it’s not the highest in the line, but sound wise it is not different to the F 990. Superb sound; almost as wonderful as my Akai GX 912 (the only model Akai branded  with the “Professional” logo). However, while the Akai is a tank, I must agree with Victor on this one, the Aiwa died on me and there was no way it could be saved. The transport IC died.
> If anyone wants the complete transport or any other part of the Aiwa F660 (like all my gear it looks like a museum item), you can have those for free (you pay for shipping). I believe I still have the front and the cassette tray and the transport complete with heads. I still might have the rest but this needs some search in my shit.
> So, Dudes, just let me know if you want something because it’s free. If you don’t like to be called “dudes” just say so, however I don’t mean it in any offensive way.
>  
> Adrian
>  
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:05 PM
> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>  
> Hey Ram, I have some experience with the Aiwa. Beautiful looking deck but not so reliable. The one I played with had problems with the switches and pots. Very noisy! It could have been the environment it was stored…Some humidity. The motorized door was hard to get used too as well.
>  
> Vic      
>  
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:17 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>  
> I agree Charles. It is through the discussions of various Naks here that I have also accumulated a sizeable Nakamichi collection within a 7 year time frame. It's now 21 and I just added an AIWA XK-S9000 to the Nak stable.
>  
> Anyone wants to share their experience with the AIWA, of course as compared to the Naks?
>  
> Ram.
> 
> 
> On Oct 11, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for sharing your experiences with this deck Ram! I am specially mesmerized by the beautiful and unique way this Nakamichi ZX-9 handles every music it plays. It is also my friends special favorite when they come to visit us. I have other 16 Nakamichi decks, but this one crowns my collection! I am so lucky to have it! Thanks to this unique forum for enlightening me and for all the generosity of time given and the fascinating knowledge and experiences shared by all the members of this fantastic forum!
>  
> Thank you to you all!
>  
> Cheers!
>  
> Charles A Njau
>  
> 9 okt 2012 kl. 23.17 skrev shanti ramachandran:
>  
> 
> Been reading up on quite a bit of ZX9/7 talk here lately .
>  
> I had the luck of winning an ebay auction in 2006 of a pristine unopened( for repair or mod) ZX9 from the original owner with the bias/level knob covers intact for a fair price.
> This deck has needed in 2008 a belt change and thats all. Every function of it operates perfectly and it is amongst the top decks in my rack at home. I personally love its sound and 
> it has a certain Je Ne sais quoi about it that is inexplicable. It sounds different from all the high end Nak decks and is to me very sweet( and amongst the best) sounding with a wide soundstage and perfectly balanced bass and treble.
>  
> It has an easy to tune( to any tape) interface and the recordings made by this one rivals( and beats) most top Naks. I have heard ESL/Willy serviced Dragons and Cr7s, but this ZX9 IMO beats them in playback and recorded sound, when compared. The ZX7 that I have is almost equally good sounding. I feel the bass is a bit better defined in the ZX9. May be the DD capstan has a lot to do with it? I don't know.
>  
> In my experience I would give the ZX9 high marks due to its relative need for low maintenance and excellent reliability as compared to other high end Naks. A deck that will adorn the rack for a long long time.
>  
> Ram.
>  
> From: Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>  
> Dear All,
>  
> I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!
>  
> Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 
>  
> I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! I thank you Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> Charles A Njau
>  
>  
> <8 SIGNATURE.jpg>
> 8 SIGNATURE
>  
> <7 SERIAL NUMBER.jpg>
> 7 SERIAL NUMBER
> <6 REAR.jpg>
> 6 REAR
> <1 FRONT.jpg>
> 1 FRONT
>  
> 9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:
>  
> 
> Greetings....
> 
> I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.
> 
> Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  
> 
> There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.
> 
> More info to study:
> 
> Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive
> 
> Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)
> 
> Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html
> 
> Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
> http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews
> 
> Open discussion time encouraged......
> 
> Rgds,
> 
> 
> KJ Bleus Parsons
> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
> nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:
>  
> Greetings,
> 
> Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.
> 
> 
> For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....
> 
> Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
> https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
> 
> 
> Rgds,
> 
> KJ Bleus Parsons
> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>  
> 
> 
> 
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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Fri Oct 12 02:15:09 2012
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:15:09 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
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Ah!! I did like the sound. Warm but not like a nak warmth. More like a Sony. My theory is the sandwitch heads. The other function I liked at the time was Dolby S. I had some older tapes recorded with S.

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 5:26 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info

 

And the sound quality?

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 11, 2012, at 5:05 PM, "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> wrote:

Hey Ram, I have some experience with the Aiwa. Beautiful looking deck but not so reliable. The one I played with had problems with the switches and pots. Very noisy! It could have been the environment it was stored…Some humidity. The motorized door was hard to get used too as well.

 

Vic       

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:17 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info

 

I agree Charles. It is through the discussions of various Naks here that I have also accumulated a sizeable Nakamichi collection within a 7 year time frame. It's now 21 and I just added an AIWA XK-S9000 to the Nak stable.

 

Anyone wants to share their experience with the AIWA, of course as compared to the Naks?

 

Ram.





On Oct 11, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se> wrote:

Thank you for sharing your experiences with this deck Ram! I am specially mesmerized by the beautiful and unique way this Nakamichi ZX-9 handles every music it plays. It is also my friends special favorite when they come to visit us. I have other 16 Nakamichi decks, but this one crowns my collection! I am so lucky to have it! Thanks to this unique forum for enlightening me and for all the generosity of time given and the fascinating knowledge and experiences shared by all the members of this fantastic forum!

 

Thank you to you all!

 

Cheers!

 

Charles A Njau

 

9 okt 2012 kl. 23.17 skrev shanti ramachandran:






Been reading up on quite a bit of ZX9/7 talk here lately .

 

I had the luck of winning an ebay auction in 2006 of a pristine unopened( for repair or mod) ZX9 from the original owner with the bias/level knob covers intact for a fair price.

This deck has needed in 2008 a belt change and thats all. Every function of it operates perfectly and it is amongst the top decks in my rack at home. I personally love its sound and 

it has a certain Je Ne sais quoi about it that is inexplicable. It sounds different from all the high end Nak decks and is to me very sweet( and amongst the best) sounding with a wide soundstage and perfectly balanced bass and treble.

 

It has an easy to tune( to any tape) interface and the recordings made by this one rivals( and beats) most top Naks. I have heard ESL/Willy serviced Dragons and Cr7s, but this ZX9 IMO beats them in playback and recorded sound, when compared. The ZX7 that I have is almost equally good sounding. I feel the bass is a bit better defined in the ZX9. May be the DD capstan has a lot to do with it? I don't know.

 

In my experience I would give the ZX9 high marks due to its relative need for low maintenance and excellent reliability as compared to other high end Naks. A deck that will adorn the rack for a long long time.

 

Ram.

 


  _____  


From: Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info

 

Dear All,

 

I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!

 

Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 

 

I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! I thank you Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!

 

Thank you.

 

Charles A Njau

 

 

<8 SIGNATURE.jpg>

8 SIGNATURE

 

<7 SERIAL NUMBER.jpg>

7 SERIAL NUMBER

<6 REAR.jpg>

6 REAR

<1 FRONT.jpg>

1 FRONT

 

9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:






Greetings....

I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.

Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  

There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.

More info to study:

Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive

Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)

Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html

Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews

Open discussion time encouraged......

Rgds,


KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA
nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com

Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W



On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:

 

Greetings,

Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.


For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....

Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE <https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110> &id=612E47A0425049EE%21110


Rgds,

KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA

Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W









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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 12 02:27:58 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:27:58 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
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Hi Adrian,

Contact me off line. I will take it as I need it for my machine. Thanks! 

Bala 

Sent from my iPhone

On 12/10/2012, at 8:42 AM, "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

> I have experience with the F660; it’s not the highest in the line, but sound wise it is not different to the F 990. Superb sound; almost as wonderful as my Akai GX 912 (the only model Akai branded  with the “Professional” logo). However, while the Akai is a tank, I must agree with Victor on this one, the Aiwa died on me and there was no way it could be saved. The transport IC died.
> If anyone wants the complete transport or any other part of the Aiwa F660 (like all my gear it looks like a museum item), you can have those for free (you pay for shipping). I believe I still have the front and the cassette tray and the transport complete with heads. I still might have the rest but this needs some search in my shit.
> So, Dudes, just let me know if you want something because it’s free. If you don’t like to be called “dudes” just say so, however I don’t mean it in any offensive way.
>  
> Adrian
>  
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:05 PM
> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>  
> Hey Ram, I have some experience with the Aiwa. Beautiful looking deck but not so reliable. The one I played with had problems with the switches and pots. Very noisy! It could have been the environment it was stored…Some humidity. The motorized door was hard to get used too as well.
>  
> Vic      
>  
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:17 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>  
> I agree Charles. It is through the discussions of various Naks here that I have also accumulated a sizeable Nakamichi collection within a 7 year time frame. It's now 21 and I just added an AIWA XK-S9000 to the Nak stable.
>  
> Anyone wants to share their experience with the AIWA, of course as compared to the Naks?
>  
> Ram.
> 
> 
> On Oct 11, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for sharing your experiences with this deck Ram! I am specially mesmerized by the beautiful and unique way this Nakamichi ZX-9 handles every music it plays. It is also my friends special favorite when they come to visit us. I have other 16 Nakamichi decks, but this one crowns my collection! I am so lucky to have it! Thanks to this unique forum for enlightening me and for all the generosity of time given and the fascinating knowledge and experiences shared by all the members of this fantastic forum!
>  
> Thank you to you all!
>  
> Cheers!
>  
> Charles A Njau
>  
> 9 okt 2012 kl. 23.17 skrev shanti ramachandran:
>  
> 
> Been reading up on quite a bit of ZX9/7 talk here lately .
>  
> I had the luck of winning an ebay auction in 2006 of a pristine unopened( for repair or mod) ZX9 from the original owner with the bias/level knob covers intact for a fair price.
> This deck has needed in 2008 a belt change and thats all. Every function of it operates perfectly and it is amongst the top decks in my rack at home. I personally love its sound and 
> it has a certain Je Ne sais quoi about it that is inexplicable. It sounds different from all the high end Nak decks and is to me very sweet( and amongst the best) sounding with a wide soundstage and perfectly balanced bass and treble.
>  
> It has an easy to tune( to any tape) interface and the recordings made by this one rivals( and beats) most top Naks. I have heard ESL/Willy serviced Dragons and Cr7s, but this ZX9 IMO beats them in playback and recorded sound, when compared. The ZX7 that I have is almost equally good sounding. I feel the bass is a bit better defined in the ZX9. May be the DD capstan has a lot to do with it? I don't know.
>  
> In my experience I would give the ZX9 high marks due to its relative need for low maintenance and excellent reliability as compared to other high end Naks. A deck that will adorn the rack for a long long time.
>  
> Ram.
>  
> From: Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>  
> Dear All,
>  
> I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!
>  
> Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 
>  
> I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! I thank you Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> Charles A Njau
>  
>  
> <8 SIGNATURE.jpg>
> 8 SIGNATURE
>  
> <7 SERIAL NUMBER.jpg>
> 7 SERIAL NUMBER
> <6 REAR.jpg>
> 6 REAR
> <1 FRONT.jpg>
> 1 FRONT
>  
> 9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:
>  
> 
> Greetings....
> 
> I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.
> 
> Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  
> 
> There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.
> 
> More info to study:
> 
> Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive
> 
> Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)
> 
> Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html
> 
> Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
> http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews
> 
> Open discussion time encouraged......
> 
> Rgds,
> 
> 
> KJ Bleus Parsons
> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
> nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:
>  
> Greetings,
> 
> Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.
> 
> 
> For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....
> 
> Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
> https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
> 
> 
> Rgds,
> 
> KJ Bleus Parsons
> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From icmllc at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 05:25:51 2012
From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin Srivastava)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:25:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: 1000 Mk II
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Could someone please advise me on how much I should pay for a working 1000 Mk II.
What should I budget for service?

Thanks

Ashvin

On Oct 11, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
> 
> Contact me off line. I will take it as I need it for my machine. Thanks! 
> 
> Bala 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 12/10/2012, at 8:42 AM, "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:
> 
>> I have experience with the F660; it’s not the highest in the line, but sound wise it is not different to the F 990. Superb sound; almost as wonderful as my Akai GX 912 (the only model Akai branded  with the “Professional” logo). However, while the Akai is a tank, I must agree with Victor on this one, the Aiwa died on me and there was no way it could be saved. The transport IC died.
>> If anyone wants the complete transport or any other part of the Aiwa F660 (like all my gear it looks like a museum item), you can have those for free (you pay for shipping). I believe I still have the front and the cassette tray and the transport complete with heads. I still might have the rest but this needs some search in my shit.
>> So, Dudes, just let me know if you want something because it’s free. If you don’t like to be called “dudes” just say so, however I don’t mean it in any offensive way.
>>  
>> Adrian
>>  
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:05 PM
>> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>>  
>> Hey Ram, I have some experience with the Aiwa. Beautiful looking deck but not so reliable. The one I played with had problems with the switches and pots. Very noisy! It could have been the environment it was stored…Some humidity. The motorized door was hard to get used too as well.
>>  
>> Vic      
>>  
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:17 PM
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>>  
>> I agree Charles. It is through the discussions of various Naks here that I have also accumulated a sizeable Nakamichi collection within a 7 year time frame. It's now 21 and I just added an AIWA XK-S9000 to the Nak stable.
>>  
>> Anyone wants to share their experience with the AIWA, of course as compared to the Naks?
>>  
>> Ram.
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 11, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you for sharing your experiences with this deck Ram! I am specially mesmerized by the beautiful and unique way this Nakamichi ZX-9 handles every music it plays. It is also my friends special favorite when they come to visit us. I have other 16 Nakamichi decks, but this one crowns my collection! I am so lucky to have it! Thanks to this unique forum for enlightening me and for all the generosity of time given and the fascinating knowledge and experiences shared by all the members of this fantastic forum!
>>  
>> Thank you to you all!
>>  
>> Cheers!
>>  
>> Charles A Njau
>>  
>> 9 okt 2012 kl. 23.17 skrev shanti ramachandran:
>>  
>> 
>> Been reading up on quite a bit of ZX9/7 talk here lately .
>>  
>> I had the luck of winning an ebay auction in 2006 of a pristine unopened( for repair or mod) ZX9 from the original owner with the bias/level knob covers intact for a fair price.
>> This deck has needed in 2008 a belt change and thats all. Every function of it operates perfectly and it is amongst the top decks in my rack at home. I personally love its sound and 
>> it has a certain Je Ne sais quoi about it that is inexplicable. It sounds different from all the high end Nak decks and is to me very sweet( and amongst the best) sounding with a wide soundstage and perfectly balanced bass and treble.
>>  
>> It has an easy to tune( to any tape) interface and the recordings made by this one rivals( and beats) most top Naks. I have heard ESL/Willy serviced Dragons and Cr7s, but this ZX9 IMO beats them in playback and recorded sound, when compared. The ZX7 that I have is almost equally good sounding. I feel the bass is a bit better defined in the ZX9. May be the DD capstan has a lot to do with it? I don't know.
>>  
>> In my experience I would give the ZX9 high marks due to its relative need for low maintenance and excellent reliability as compared to other high end Naks. A deck that will adorn the rack for a long long time.
>>  
>> Ram.
>>  
>> From: Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se>
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
>>  
>> Dear All,
>>  
>> I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!
>>  
>> Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 
>>  
>> I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! I thank you Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!
>>  
>> Thank you.
>>  
>> Charles A Njau
>>  
>>  
>> <8 SIGNATURE.jpg>
>> 8 SIGNATURE
>>  
>> <7 SERIAL NUMBER.jpg>
>> 7 SERIAL NUMBER
>> <6 REAR.jpg>
>> 6 REAR
>> <1 FRONT.jpg>
>> 1 FRONT
>>  
>> 9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:
>>  
>> 
>> Greetings....
>> 
>> I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.
>> 
>> Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  
>> 
>> There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.
>> 
>> More info to study:
>> 
>> Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive
>> 
>> Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)
>> 
>> Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html
>> 
>> Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
>> http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews
>> 
>> Open discussion time encouraged......
>> 
>> Rgds,
>> 
>> 
>> KJ Bleus Parsons
>> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>> nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
>> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:
>>  
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.
>> 
>> 
>> For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....
>> 
>> Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
>> https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
>> 
>> 
>> Rgds,
>> 
>> KJ Bleus Parsons
>> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
>> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>  
>> 
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Fri Oct 12 08:04:30 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 03:04:30 -0300
Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
In-Reply-To: <CE894F96-CE21-48E2-A85A-A36DE7E4B8AF@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B1F3@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

I vouch for that! Adrian is one of the most serious and honest person I've done business with. I've bought 2 decks from him that look and sound as id they came out of the production line yesterday.
All I can say is that - as he likes to say - he's a great dude to do business with.
All the best!
Rodrigo Krause

________________________________

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Thu Oct 11 21:27:58 2012
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info 


Hi Adrian,

Contact me off line. I will take it as I need it for my machine. Thanks! 

Bala 

Sent from my iPhone

On 12/10/2012, at 8:42 AM, "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:



	I have experience with the F660; it’s not the highest in the line, but sound wise it is not different to the F 990. Superb sound; almost as wonderful as my Akai GX 912 (the only model Akai branded  with the “Professional” logo). However, while the Akai is a tank, I must agree with Victor on this one, the Aiwa died on me and there was no way it could be saved. The transport IC died.

	If anyone wants the complete transport or any other part of the Aiwa F660 (like all my gear it looks like a museum item), you can have those for free (you pay for shipping). I believe I still have the front and the cassette tray and the transport complete with heads. I still might have the rest but this needs some search in my shit.

	So, Dudes, just let me know if you want something because it’s free. If you don’t like to be called “dudes” just say so, however I don’t mean it in any offensive way.

	 

	Adrian

	 

	From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas
	Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:05 PM
	To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
	Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info

	 

	Hey Ram, I have some experience with the Aiwa. Beautiful looking deck but not so reliable. The one I played with had problems with the switches and pots. Very noisy! It could have been the environment it was stored…Some humidity. The motorized door was hard to get used too as well.

	 

	Vic       

	 

	From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram
	Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:17 PM
	To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
	Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info

	 

	I agree Charles. It is through the discussions of various Naks here that I have also accumulated a sizeable Nakamichi collection within a 7 year time frame. It's now 21 and I just added an AIWA XK-S9000 to the Nak stable.

	 

	Anyone wants to share their experience with the AIWA, of course as compared to the Naks?

	 

	Ram.

	
	On Oct 11, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se> wrote:

		Thank you for sharing your experiences with this deck Ram! I am specially mesmerized by the beautiful and unique way this Nakamichi ZX-9 handles every music it plays. It is also my friends special favorite when they come to visit us. I have other 16 Nakamichi decks, but this one crowns my collection! I am so lucky to have it! Thanks to this unique forum for enlightening me and for all the generosity of time given and the fascinating knowledge and experiences shared by all the members of this fantastic forum!

		 

		Thank you to you all!

		 

		Cheers!

		 

		Charles A Njau

		 

		9 okt 2012 kl. 23.17 skrev shanti ramachandran:

		 

		Been reading up on quite a bit of ZX9/7 talk here lately .

		 

		I had the luck of winning an ebay auction in 2006 of a pristine unopened( for repair or mod) ZX9 from the original owner with the bias/level knob covers intact for a fair price.

		This deck has needed in 2008 a belt change and thats all. Every function of it operates perfectly and it is amongst the top decks in my rack at home. I personally love its sound and 

		it has a certain Je Ne sais quoi about it that is inexplicable. It sounds different from all the high end Nak decks and is to me very sweet( and amongst the best) sounding with a wide soundstage and perfectly balanced bass and treble.

		 

		It has an easy to tune( to any tape) interface and the recordings made by this one rivals( and beats) most top Naks. I have heard ESL/Willy serviced Dragons and Cr7s, but this ZX9 IMO beats them in playback and recorded sound, when compared. The ZX7 that I have is almost equally good sounding. I feel the bass is a bit better defined in the ZX9. May be the DD capstan has a lot to do with it? I don't know.

		 

		In my experience I would give the ZX9 high marks due to its relative need for low maintenance and excellent reliability as compared to other high end Naks. A deck that will adorn the rack for a long long time.

		 

		Ram.

		 

		
________________________________


		From: Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se>
		To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
		Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:38 PM
		Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info

		 

		Dear All,

		 

		I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!

		 

		Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 

		 

		I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! I thank you Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!

		 

		Thank you.

		 

		Charles A Njau

		 

		 

		<8 SIGNATURE.jpg>

		8 SIGNATURE

		 

		<7 SERIAL NUMBER.jpg>

		7 SERIAL NUMBER

		<6 REAR.jpg>

		6 REAR

		<1 FRONT.jpg>

		1 FRONT

		 

		9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:

		 

		Greetings....
		
		I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.
		
		Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  
		
		There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.
		
		More info to study:
		
		Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive
		
		Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)
		
		Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
		http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html
		
		Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
		http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews
		
		Open discussion time encouraged......
		
		Rgds,
		
		
		KJ Bleus Parsons
		Madison, Wisconsin   USA
		nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com

		Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W

		
		
		On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:

		 

			Greetings,
			
			Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.
			
			
			For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....
			
			Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
			https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
			
			
			Rgds,
			
			KJ Bleus Parsons
			Madison, Wisconsin   USA

			Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W

			 

		
		
		
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From adrian at mechner.net  Fri Oct 12 08:27:11 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 23:27:11 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
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Why would I feel offended when your question was:

“Anyone wants to share their experience with the AIWA, of course as compared to the Naks?

 

Ram.”

Aiwa!!! You did not ask about Aiwa XXXX…

I’m not offended at all for telling how I feel about the F660

 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 4:49 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info

 

No offense taken at all Adrian. Thanks for the feedback. 

What I want to know us about the sound of the Aiwa Xk-s9000.....as compared with the top Naks. 

 

Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 11, 2012, at 6:42 PM, "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

I have experience with the F660; it’s not the highest in the line, but sound wise it is not different to the F 990. Superb sound; almost as wonderful as my Akai GX 912 (the only model Akai branded  with the “Professional” logo). However, while the Akai is a tank, I must agree with Victor on this one, the Aiwa died on me and there was no way it could be saved. The transport IC died.

If anyone wants the complete transport or any other part of the Aiwa F660 (like all my gear it looks like a museum item), you can have those for free (you pay for shipping). I believe I still have the front and the cassette tray and the transport complete with heads. I still might have the rest but this needs some search in my shit.

So, Dudes, just let me know if you want something because it’s free. If you don’t like to be called “dudes” just say so, however I don’t mean it in any offensive way.

 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:05 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info

 

Hey Ram, I have some experience with the Aiwa. Beautiful looking deck but not so reliable. The one I played with had problems with the switches and pots. Very noisy! It could have been the environment it was stored…Some humidity. The motorized door was hard to get used too as well.

 

Vic       

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:17 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info

 

I agree Charles. It is through the discussions of various Naks here that I have also accumulated a sizeable Nakamichi collection within a 7 year time frame. It's now 21 and I just added an AIWA XK-S9000 to the Nak stable.

 

Anyone wants to share their experience with the AIWA, of course as compared to the Naks?

 

Ram.


On Oct 11, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se> wrote:

Thank you for sharing your experiences with this deck Ram! I am specially mesmerized by the beautiful and unique way this Nakamichi ZX-9 handles every music it plays. It is also my friends special favorite when they come to visit us. I have other 16 Nakamichi decks, but this one crowns my collection! I am so lucky to have it! Thanks to this unique forum for enlightening me and for all the generosity of time given and the fascinating knowledge and experiences shared by all the members of this fantastic forum!

 

Thank you to you all!

 

Cheers!

 

Charles A Njau

 

9 okt 2012 kl. 23.17 skrev shanti ramachandran:

 

Been reading up on quite a bit of ZX9/7 talk here lately .

 

I had the luck of winning an ebay auction in 2006 of a pristine unopened( for repair or mod) ZX9 from the original owner with the bias/level knob covers intact for a fair price.

This deck has needed in 2008 a belt change and thats all. Every function of it operates perfectly and it is amongst the top decks in my rack at home. I personally love its sound and 

it has a certain Je Ne sais quoi about it that is inexplicable. It sounds different from all the high end Nak decks and is to me very sweet( and amongst the best) sounding with a wide soundstage and perfectly balanced bass and treble.

 

It has an easy to tune( to any tape) interface and the recordings made by this one rivals( and beats) most top Naks. I have heard ESL/Willy serviced Dragons and Cr7s, but this ZX9 IMO beats them in playback and recorded sound, when compared. The ZX7 that I have is almost equally good sounding. I feel the bass is a bit better defined in the ZX9. May be the DD capstan has a lot to do with it? I don't know.

 

In my experience I would give the ZX9 high marks due to its relative need for low maintenance and excellent reliability as compared to other high end Naks. A deck that will adorn the rack for a long long time.

 

Ram.

 


  _____  


From: Charles A Njau <charles at njau.se>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info

 

Dear All,

 

I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!

 

Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 

 

I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! I thank you Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!

 

Thank you.

 

Charles A Njau

 

 

<8 SIGNATURE.jpg>

8 SIGNATURE

 

<7 SERIAL NUMBER.jpg>

7 SERIAL NUMBER

<6 REAR.jpg>

6 REAR

<1 FRONT.jpg>

1 FRONT

 

9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:

 

Greetings....

I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.

Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  

There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.

More info to study:

Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive

Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)

Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html

Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews

Open discussion time encouraged......

Rgds,


KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA
nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com

Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W



On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:

 

Greetings,

Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.


For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....

Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE <https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110> &id=612E47A0425049EE%21110


Rgds,

KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA

Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W

 




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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 12 13:45:57 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 21:45:57 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
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Hi Pieter,

The best method would be compressed air to get any dirt and dust particles out of the switch and then a shot of Caig DeOxit. 

In Germany, Cramolin makes excellent cleaning products as well. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 12/10/2012, at 1:31 AM, pieter rodgers <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com> wrote:

> good to hear that music (especially when played on an excellent machine) can bring somone so much delight.
> I have a Nak ZX-9 myself and am very content with this deck.. it´s my first nak and it will stay with me till I die (or it dies first..)
>  
> I do however have a slight problem… up until now it has happened twice that the sound on de right has dropped a couple of dB..
> I twisted and turned every knob and found that it was the tape/ source selector switch which was the problem (on the second occasion
> I immediately went for the selector and by turning it once or twice the signal returned on the right and has stayed so up until now..)
>  
> anyone suffered the same problem and what best to do about it? (I reccon just cleaning the selector, but with what and how best to get at it..)
>  
>  
> greetz from germania
> Pieter 
> 
> From: charles at njau.se
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:50:35 +0200
> 
> Hi Jeff!
> 
> I am so happy and overwhelmed by the facts that I won this auction from your company and for your excellent efforts of making this unique Nakamichi ZX-9 deck sound at its best before you sent it to me! May God Bless You Always!
> Thank you!
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Charles A Njau
> 
> 9 okt 2012 kl. 22.41 skrev <jeff at eslabs.com> <jeff at eslabs.com>:
> 
> Hi Charles,
>  
> Your welcome!
>  
> Enjoy!
>  
> Sincerely,
> Jeff Galin
>  
> "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! 
> ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
> 1807 Berlin Turnpike 
> Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
> By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST 
> Telephone 860-529-3700
>  jeff at nakamichi.us    jeff at eslabs.com 
>                  www.nakamichi.us
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles A Njau
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!
> 
> Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 
> 
> I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! I thank you Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Charles A Njau
> 
> 
> <8 SIGNATURE.jpg>
> 8 SIGNATURE
> 
> <7 SERIAL NUMBER.jpg>
> 7 SERIAL NUMBER
> <6 REAR.jpg>
> 6 REAR
> <1 FRONT.jpg>
> 1 FRONT
> 
> 9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:
> 
> Greetings....
> 
> I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.
> 
> Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  
> 
> There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.
> 
> More info to study:
> 
> Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive
> 
> Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)
> 
> Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html
> 
> Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
> http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews
> 
> Open discussion time encouraged......
> 
> Rgds,
> 
> 
> KJ Bleus Parsons
> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
> nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:
>  
> Greetings,
> 
> Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.
> 
> 
> For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....
> 
> Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
> https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
> 
> 
> Rgds,
> 
> KJ Bleus Parsons
> Madison, Wisconsin   USA
> Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 12 17:15:40 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:15:40 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
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	<E8A8EA77-11BC-43A0-9B95-2193ABBE499A@njau.se>,
	<BAY156-W267536D22571C85AA9CCCE38D0@phx.gbl>,
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thank you.. pieter
 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 21:45:57 +1000
To: naktalk at naks.com

Hi Pieter,
The best method would be compressed air to get any dirt and dust particles out of the switch and then a shot of Caig DeOxit. 
In Germany, Cramolin makes excellent cleaning products as well. 
Sent from my iPhone
On 12/10/2012, at 1:31 AM, pieter rodgers <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com> wrote:





good to hear that music (especially when played on an excellent machine) can bring somone so much delight.
I have a Nak ZX-9 myself and am very content with this deck.. it´s my first nak and it will stay with me till I die (or it dies first..)
 
I do however have a slight problem… up until now it has happened twice that the sound on de right has dropped a couple of dB..
I twisted and turned every knob and found that it was the tape/ source selector switch which was the problem (on the second occasion
I immediately went for the selector and by turning it once or twice the signal returned on the right and has stayed so up until now..)
 
anyone suffered the same problem and what best to do about it? (I reccon just cleaning the selector, but with what and how best to get at it..)
 
 
greetz from germania
Pieter 

From: charles at njau.se
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:50:35 +0200

Hi Jeff!
I am so happy and overwhelmed by the facts that I won this auction from your company and for your excellent efforts of making this unique Nakamichi ZX-9 deck sound at its best before you sent it to me! May God Bless You Always!Thank you!
Sincerely,
Charles A Njau
9 okt 2012 kl. 22.41 skrev <jeff at eslabs.com> <jeff at eslabs.com>:Hi Charles, Your welcome! Enjoy! Sincerely,
Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! 
ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
1807 Berlin Turnpike 
Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST 
Telephone 860-529-3700
 jeff at nakamichi.us    jeff at eslabs.com 
                 www.nakamichi.us
 ----- Original Message -----From: Charles A NjauTo: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:38 PMSubject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalking & more Nak ZX-9 info
Dear All,
I am so happy that Mr KJ Bleus Parsons informed me by email some years ago about the exceptional qualities of Nakamichi ZX-9 and how I could find one. After I made these contacts with him I was so lucky because I found one Nakamichi ZX-9 at ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS that was signed by Niro Nakamichi, production serial number 1 unit that was on auction and I won that auction!
Mr Jeff Galin did his best to make sure this deck was sounding at its best before he sent it to me. 
I am so happy with every music it plays! It is like heaven! I thank you Jeff! Thank you KJ Bleus Parsons for all the information you gave me about Nakamichi ZX-9. I have attached below some few photos from this deck that I would like to share with my fellow members in this fantastic forum. Thank you so much Wouter Heijke for making this forum possible! May God Keep Blessing You Always!
Thank you.

Charles A Njau

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<7 SERIAL NUMBER.jpg>7 SERIAL NUMBER<6 REAR.jpg>6 REAR<1 FRONT.jpg>1 FRONT
9 okt 2012 kl. 16.11 skrev KJ Bleus Parsons:Greetings....

I had a ZX-7 and ZX-9 cassette decks stacked in my studio for many years, both are exemplary specimens that I've utilized with great pleasure.

Subtle enhancements constitute the "Super-Tuned Edition" design of the Nak ZX-9, as mentioned in Nakamichi sponsored audio magazine adverts and marketing brochures from the early to mid 1980s.  Three highlights have been trumpeted by Nakamichi in those adverts and brochures, also mentioned in user written reviews, as I recollect.  in summary they are: 1)  Cassette tape transport components are refined with a low resonance direct-drive capstan mechanism, and the "Discrete Head Technology" crystal alloy heads utilized are meticulously matched in a use marriage of near perfection.  2) Improved electronic components have been incorporated, which enhance performance specifications, resulting in improved recording input and sound-stage clarity output.  3)  Gold coated RCA input & output jacks are installed for improved analogue cable connectivity.  

There may be other enhancements (wiring or internal connections config, etc?);  so perhaps others can expand upon the three nuggets of info mentioned above.  I'd like to learn of those hidden enhancements the Nakamichi engineers incorporated into the ZX-9 design, with others interested in one of the best ever cassette decks.

More info to study:

Nakamichi's marketing brochure can be viewed via the Naks.Com documents archive

Nak ZX-9 synopsis & specs can be viewed via VintageCassettes.Com (within the Naks.Com web pages)

Nak CyberSpot ZX-9 info pages at:
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html

Here's a web link to several reviews by owners of Nak ZX-9 decks, including yours truly.....
http://www.audioreview.com/cat/other/tape-decks/nakamichi/zx-9/prd_124814_1595crx.aspx#reviews

Open discussion time encouraged......

Rgds,


KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA
nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W


On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, KJ Bleus Parsons <nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com> wrote into NakTalk Digest:
 Greetings,

Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.


For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....

Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110


Rgds,

KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA
Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W






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From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl  Sat Oct 13 23:46:44 2012
From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 23:46:44 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Calibration of Nakamichi decks
In-Reply-To: <000c01cda5b0$8dcc8370$a9658a50$@com.au>
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Hi all,

I am working on a nak 482 and i wonder why Nakamichi sometimes do there calibration with 90 mv and sometimes with 100 mv.
 I read that difference in the manuals from the 482z and the 481 .

Who has a idea?

Best regards

Norman

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad


From perry.nak at comcast.net  Sun Oct 14 12:13:04 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:13:04 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Calibration of nakamichi decks
Message-ID: <492416019-1350209583-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-368025541-@b3.c16.bise6.blackberry>

It is dependent on the model and circuitry. The dragon calibrates to 350mV. IIRC, others are also different. I don't think it has anything to do with the meters, though, just the Cal point and circuit.
Perry Esposito - From my phone


From noneyhoney at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 14 14:51:47 2012
From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 18:21:47 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
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Hi allI'm just wondering what could be the possible causes of tape stoppage during playback (and a little tape loop at the take-up pinch roller) with a geared takeup spindle mechanism. If the tape is slightly rewound and played again, normal playback resumes until a few minutes or till the end of tape. I cant pinpoint the exact cause though as I cant establish a pattern here. Pinch rollers are clean, just changed the belt and cassettes are quite freely moving.
RegardsSoumi 		 	   		  
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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 14 19:20:02 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:20:02 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
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if you´ve just changed the belt, maybe it needs being worn in a little (?). does it in anyway slip a little?
 
pieter,
germany
 



From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 18:21:47 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage




Hi all
I'm just wondering what could be the possible causes of tape stoppage during playback (and a little tape loop at the take-up pinch roller) with a geared takeup spindle mechanism. If the tape is slightly rewound and played again, normal playback resumes until a few minutes or till the end of tape. I cant pinpoint the exact cause though as I cant establish a pattern here. Pinch rollers are clean, just changed the belt and cassettes are quite freely moving.


Regards
Soumi
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 14 22:03:20 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:03:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
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The usual causes the way you describe it are :

1. There isn't enough torque on the reel motor to drive the gear driven take up reel. Torque should adjusted to correct amount based on service manual guidelines.
2. The reel motor has developed dead spots and needs to be replaced.( Read below too)
3. The reel gears might have broken teeth causing slippage at times.

The capstan belt might not have anything to do with it as it seems to be working fine pulling the tape through the take up roller.( thus causing your tape spill at that spot)

At times,( and this is rare in reel motors) a good spray of deoxit/deoxit gold inside of the back of the reel motor does a miracle cure to make it work for a while. However, this 
procedure helps more for the cam motor than the reel motor issues.

Good luck.

Ram.


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 From: s b <noneyhoney at hotmail.com>
To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 8:51 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
 

 
Hi all
I'm just wondering what could be the possible causes of tape stoppage during playback (and a little tape loop at the take-up pinch roller) with a geared takeup spindle mechanism. If the tape is slightly rewound and played again, normal playback resumes until a few minutes or till the end of tape. I cant pinpoint the exact cause though as I cant establish a pattern here. Pinch rollers are clean, just changed the belt and cassettes are quite freely moving.

Regards
Soumi
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From healer at accesshub.net  Mon Oct 15 07:37:34 2012
From: healer at accesshub.net (Salvatore)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 01:37:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
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I have a Teac Dual deck that is doing this.  I found the drive to the reel motor
being dropped.  A moment later the motion sensor detects this and drops the
capstan.  Until then the capstan continues to pull tape from the supply reel.  

When I get a schematic I will find out what is telling the reel motor to stop.

See if this is the circumstance you are experiencing  

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:03:20 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>The usual causes the way you describe it are :
>
>1. There isn't enough torque on the reel motor to drive the gear driven take up reel. Torque should adjusted to correct amount based on service manual guidelines.
>2. The reel motor has developed dead spots and needs to be replaced.( Read below too)
>3. The reel gears might have broken teeth causing slippage at times.
>
>The capstan belt might not have anything to do with it as it seems to be working fine pulling the tape through the take up roller.( thus causing your tape spill at that spot)
>
>At times,( and this is rare in reel motors) a good spray of deoxit/deoxit gold inside of the back of the reel motor does a miracle cure to make it work for a while. However, this 
>procedure helps more for the cam motor than the reel motor issues.
>
>Good luck.
>
>Ram.
>
>
>________________________________
> From: s b <noneyhoney at hotmail.com>
>To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 8:51 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
> 
>
> 
>Hi all
>I'm just wondering what could be the possible causes of tape stoppage during playback (and a little tape loop at the take-up pinch roller) with a geared takeup spindle mechanism. If the tape is slightly rewound and played again, normal playback resumes until a few minutes or till the end of tape. I cant pinpoint the exact cause though as I cant establish a pattern here. Pinch rollers are clean, just changed the belt and cassettes are quite freely moving.
>
>Regards
>Soumi
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From adrian at mechner.net  Tue Oct 16 10:15:40 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 01:15:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Service
Message-ID: <000001cdab76$6e948450$4bbd8cf0$@net>

And who might this be:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Serv
ice-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Ser
vice-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555
001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pi
d%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26>
&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777
011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26

 

 

Adrian

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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Tue Oct 16 14:42:11 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:42:11 -0300
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Service
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I did see this... Didn´t you know that there is God in everyone of us...rsrsrsr. I loved the part in which he claims to be THE master tech and provides no track record...

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Adrian Mechner
Enviada em: terça-feira, 16 de outubro de 2012 05:16
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: [naktalk] Service

 

And who might this be:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26

 

 

Adrian


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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Tue Oct 16 15:54:53 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:54:53 -0300
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Service
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After poking some fun about the add, I´d like to say that I´m curious to know if anyone has had the opportunity to have a deck serviced by this person. Maybe we may be into some big surprise...with all due respect.

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Rodrigo Krause
Enviada em: terça-feira, 16 de outubro de 2012 09:42
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: RES: [naktalk] Service

 

I did see this... Didn´t you know that there is God in everyone of us...rsrsrsr. I loved the part in which he claims to be THE master tech and provides no track record...

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Adrian Mechner
Enviada em: terça-feira, 16 de outubro de 2012 05:16
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: [naktalk] Service

 

And who might this be:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26

 

 

Adrian

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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 16 17:07:24 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:07:24 -0600
Subject: FW: RES: [naktalk] Service
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 I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk. I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better. My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics. Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26  

 		 	   		  
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From adrian at mechner.net  Tue Oct 16 18:17:51 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:17:51 -0700
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Service
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Go FedEx like I switched from UPS a long time ago with my turntable thing... You'l save A LOT

Sent from my iPhone 5

On Oct 16, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
>  I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.
>  I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.
>  My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics.
>  Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.
>  
>  
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
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From icmllc at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 18:41:10 2012
From: icmllc at gmail.com (ashvin srivastava)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:41:10 -0500
Subject: FW: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
Message-ID: <CACSsU2PjZuH18a1iT+JuY6od5VTS+tPYBA7Q0W4ow_x2drgb9w@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone compared this unit (B215/B-215S to the ZX-9)?

Revox B215 cassette deck: Fast on the draw, smooth on the ears
*By Al Fasoldt*
*Copyright © 1986, The Syracuse Newspapers
*
   The glamour boy in audio these days is the compact disc, with its
digital signal offering stunning playback quality. But technology has not
ignored the other compact recording medium, the audio cassette.
   The latest advances in cassette technology make it clear that instead of
being outstripped by digital techniques, analog cassette quality is
striving to keep pace - and succeeding in many areas.
   The best evidence of this comes both as hardware and as software" -
recorders and recordings themselves.
   For an example of the industry's best efforts in the design of cassette
recorders, I asked the American branch of the Swiss firm Studer Revox to
supply one of its new Revox B215 cassette decks. It is one of the most
expensive ($1,400) and feature-laden decks on the market.
   For a look at what the recording industry was doing to keep pace, I
listened to two tapes from one of the pioneers in the audiophile recording
business.
   As befits a recorder from Revox, a company best known for its
indestructible professional recorders, the B215 is large and very heavy.
Like all top-quality recorders, the B215 has three heads - erase, record,
and play - to permit off-the-tape monitoring while recording.
   But the B215 also has a circuit that automatically adjusts the deck's
internal controls to produce near-perfect results with any brand and type
of tape.
   Like most current cassette decks, the B215 has Dolby B and Dolby C noise
reduction circuits to trim the level of hiss. But the Revox deck is rare in
incorporating another circuit, Dolby HX Pro, which also cuts distortion.
   The B215 has many other features worthy of note - including a circuit
that automatically sets optimum recording levels, a real-time counter with
two memory rewind locations, and fast-acting meters that show signal levels
as accurately as anything a pro could afford.
   But what impresses me the most is the B215's tape transport mechanism,
mounted on its own heavy alloy chassis. To start with, instead of using one
capstan to pull the tape past the heads, the Revox uses two, on each side
of the heads. Each capstan is actually the extended shaft of a separate
motor, and each reel hub works the same way. The head assembly pivots
against a set of hydraulic shock absorbers that appear large enough to
support a motorcycle.
   The four direct-drive motors provide what is probably the best tape
handling of any deck on the market, with amazingly fast tape shuttling in
either direction.
   All this would matter little if the deck could not record and play as
well as it handles tape. In tests and subsequent listening sessions, I
found the B215 to be unmatched in smooth frequency response, vanishingly
low hiss levels and overall clarity of sound.
   Direct comparisons with a $5,000 digital tape recorder showed the Revox
to have more inherent noise and a slight roughness in some sounds, but few
other differences were noted. There was no evidence at all of flutter, a
common problem of most cassette decks.
   The "software" I used to judge the playback abilities of the B215 are
Dolby B metal-particle cassettes from Ultragroove, a California company
that started out in the '70s as a firm that made direct-to-disc records. In
fact, one of the two cassettes just released started out as a direct-disc
record, although the cassette is being duplicated from a digital back-up
tape that was made during the direct-disc recording session.
   The direct-disc clone is one of Arthur Fiedler's last recordings, a
Boston Pops rendition of two war-horses - Tchaikovsky's "Capriccio Italien"
and Rimsky-Korsakov's "Capriccio Espagnol."
   The digital master also showed up a few years back as a dbx-encoded
super-high-quality tape from dbx Inc., and I used that version as a
comparison. Amazingly, the Ultragroove tape, which doesn't have the help of
the super-quiet sonics of the dbx version, is every bit as hiss-free.
   The other Ultragroove tape is similarly reincarnated from a '70s
release. It is "Diahann Carroll," a session made with the Duke Ellington
Orchestra. If anything, the sound of the current Ultragroove cassette is
superior to the carefully pressed disc version I first heard a decade ago.
   Both Ultragroove tapes, which cost $15 each, show the potential of
metal-particle tape, which is becoming cheap enough to permit its use by
major duplicators - but they won't do so unless they believe that consumers
care. It's likely that anyone who hears either of these two releases will
care quite a lot.
   For more information, contact:
   Studer Revox America, 1425 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, Tenn. 37210.
   Ultragroove, P.O. Box 838, Orinda, Calif. 94563.


On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>  I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.
>  I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The
> more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.
>  My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in Phoenix,
> AZ to service any vintage electronics.
>  Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very
> high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday
> and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 16 19:53:36 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:53:36 -1000
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Service
In-Reply-To: <8BC10C86-D84C-4B77-926B-A8FD57289FC7@mechner.net>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP16337B16DA712BF122C7D8086700@phx.gbl>

FedEx is much gentler on the packages. UPS to Hawaii always arrives damaged
if the box is large or heavy. FedEx always arrives in good condition but is
more expensive to Hawaii than UPS.
 
We get very good service here from the post office and the rates are much
cheaper than UPS and FedEx.
 
On 2 recent shipments via UPS 2nd day air (original shipment of 4 boxes and
replacement shipment of 4 boxes), 7 of 8 large/heavy boxes were annihilated
and the contents severely damaged in 5 of the boxes. Fortunately, I was able
to fish out enough decent parts from the 2 shipments to put my cabinet
together. It was an unpleasant experience and is the norm.
 
Aloha,
Cheryl

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Adrian Mechner
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 6:18 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Service


Go FedEx like I switched from UPS a long time ago with my turntable thing...
You'l save A LOT

Sent from my iPhone 5

On Oct 16, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:




 I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.
 I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The
more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.
 My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in Phoenix,
AZ to service any vintage electronics.
 Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very
high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday
and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.
 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Serv
ice-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Ser
vice-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555
001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pi
d%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26>
&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777
011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26

 

 






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From jmlevitz at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 16 21:15:02 2012
From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (Jayson Levitz)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:15:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Service
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP16337B16DA712BF122C7D8086700@phx.gbl>
References: <8BC10C86-D84C-4B77-926B-A8FD57289FC7@mechner.net>
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Hi Cheryl in Hawaii


I hope you filed claims against UPS for these damaged shipments.  And that goes for all Naktalkers using UPS who receive damaged shipments. Hopefully, if UPS gets enough of these claims, management will take steps to stop it. 


Jayson



________________________________
 From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: RES: [naktalk] Service
 

FedEx is much gentler on the packages. UPS to Hawaii 
always arrives damaged if the box is large or heavy. FedEx always arrives in 
good condition but is more expensive to Hawaii than UPS.
 
We get very good service here from the post office and the 
rates are much cheaper than UPS and FedEx.
 
On 2 recent shipments via UPS 2nd day air (original shipment 
of 4 boxes and replacement shipment of 4 boxes), 7 of 8 large/heavy boxes were 
annihilated and the contents severely damaged in 5 of the boxes. Fortunately, I 
was able to fish out enough decent parts from the 2 shipments to put my cabinet 
together. It was an unpleasant experience and is the norm.
 
Aloha,
Cheryl


________________________________
 From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 
[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian 
Mechner
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 6:18 AM
To: Talk 
about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] 
Service


Go FedEx like I switched from UPS a long time ago with my turntable 
thing... You'l save A LOT

Sent from my iPhone 5

On Oct 16, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> 
wrote:


 
>
> I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on 
  Naktalk.
> I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old 
  machines. The more folks who claim they can service Naks, the 
  better.
> My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here 
  in Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics.
> Having a local 
  repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very high. I shipped an 
  11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday 
  and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.
> 
>
> 
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26
> 
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 21:17:56 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:17:56 +0200
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
In-Reply-To: <CACSsU2PjZuH18a1iT+JuY6od5VTS+tPYBA7Q0W4ow_x2drgb9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSsU2PjZuH18a1iT+JuY6od5VTS+tPYBA7Q0W4ow_x2drgb9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66495147-518A-41A3-BBDA-3124B71F9E8D@gmail.com>

Yes,

The B215 sounds a little thin, very exact, more  like a CD-Player.
It was made in the  time, when CD gets stated.
It has lots off IC in it, the weight is may be less than have   like   
a ZX-9.

The  Bias Computer works fine. The recordings a very good ( like CD  
sound )

There is no azimuth alignment in any way. If the cassette stays in  
the REVOX, it does not matter.

The meters are small and poor, the feeling when you handle it is CD  
Player from Korea again.

BUT........ the transport is may be the world´s best.

It plays, after one ore two years  break , just  like on the first day.

Made with big metal wheels and  a  very strong, big magnet to lift  
the head base. Quartz Speed.

Take care to buy  only after the Serie Nr. 10000.-
be for  that REVOX have got a  problem with the back tension!!

Very hard to repair, because of IC Circuits

You find the same transport  without IC  logic  in the very heavy,  
better Deck,B-710.

This transport does slow down  when  the tape ends  in FF or REV  
mute, by  infrared light looking trough  the tape.

The same Deck sold by STUDER  has  nice  record potentiometers. On  
the REXOX the are digital only.


To align azimuth would be a hard job, compare to a ZX-9.

I don´t want to write about a ZX-9,.... we know , it is one of the  
finest.

regards

Gerhard



Am 16.10.2012 um 18:41 schrieb ashvin srivastava:

> Has anyone compared this unit (B215/B-215S to the ZX-9)?
>
> Revox B215 cassette deck: Fast on the draw, smooth on the ears
>
>
> By Al Fasoldt
> Copyright © 1986, The Syracuse Newspapers
>
>    The glamour boy in audio these days is the compact disc, with  
> its digital signal offering stunning playback quality. But  
> technology has not ignored the other compact recording medium, the  
> audio cassette.
>    The latest advances in cassette technology make it clear that  
> instead of being outstripped by digital techniques, analog cassette  
> quality is striving to keep pace - and succeeding in many areas.
>    The best evidence of this comes both as hardware and as  
> software" - recorders and recordings themselves.
>    For an example of the industry's best efforts in the design of  
> cassette recorders, I asked the American branch of the Swiss firm  
> Studer Revox to supply one of its new Revox B215 cassette decks. It  
> is one of the most expensive ($1,400) and feature-laden decks on  
> the market.
>    For a look at what the recording industry was doing to keep  
> pace, I listened to two tapes from one of the pioneers in the  
> audiophile recording business.
>    As befits a recorder from Revox, a company best known for its  
> indestructible professional recorders, the B215 is large and very  
> heavy. Like all top-quality recorders, the B215 has three heads -  
> erase, record, and play - to permit off-the-tape monitoring while  
> recording.
>    But the B215 also has a circuit that automatically adjusts the  
> deck's internal controls to produce near-perfect results with any  
> brand and type of tape.
>    Like most current cassette decks, the B215 has Dolby B and Dolby  
> C noise reduction circuits to trim the level of hiss. But the Revox  
> deck is rare in incorporating another circuit, Dolby HX Pro, which  
> also cuts distortion.
>    The B215 has many other features worthy of note - including a  
> circuit that automatically sets optimum recording levels, a real- 
> time counter with two memory rewind locations, and fast-acting  
> meters that show signal levels as accurately as anything a pro  
> could afford.
>    But what impresses me the most is the B215's tape transport  
> mechanism, mounted on its own heavy alloy chassis. To start with,  
> instead of using one capstan to pull the tape past the heads, the  
> Revox uses two, on each side of the heads. Each capstan is actually  
> the extended shaft of a separate motor, and each reel hub works the  
> same way. The head assembly pivots against a set of hydraulic shock  
> absorbers that appear large enough to support a motorcycle.
>    The four direct-drive motors provide what is probably the best  
> tape handling of any deck on the market, with amazingly fast tape  
> shuttling in either direction.
>    All this would matter little if the deck could not record and  
> play as well as it handles tape. In tests and subsequent listening  
> sessions, I found the B215 to be unmatched in smooth frequency  
> response, vanishingly low hiss levels and overall clarity of sound.
>    Direct comparisons with a $5,000 digital tape recorder showed  
> the Revox to have more inherent noise and a slight roughness in  
> some sounds, but few other differences were noted. There was no  
> evidence at all of flutter, a common problem of most cassette decks.
>    The "software" I used to judge the playback abilities of the  
> B215 are Dolby B metal-particle cassettes from Ultragroove, a  
> California company that started out in the '70s as a firm that made  
> direct-to-disc records. In fact, one of the two cassettes just  
> released started out as a direct-disc record, although the cassette  
> is being duplicated from a digital back-up tape that was made  
> during the direct-disc recording session.
>    The direct-disc clone is one of Arthur Fiedler's last  
> recordings, a Boston Pops rendition of two war-horses -  
> Tchaikovsky's "Capriccio Italien" and Rimsky-Korsakov's "Capriccio  
> Espagnol."
>    The digital master also showed up a few years back as a dbx- 
> encoded super-high-quality tape from dbx Inc., and I used that  
> version as a comparison. Amazingly, the Ultragroove tape, which  
> doesn't have the help of the super-quiet sonics of the dbx version,  
> is every bit as hiss-free.
>    The other Ultragroove tape is similarly reincarnated from a '70s  
> release. It is "Diahann Carroll," a session made with the Duke  
> Ellington Orchestra. If anything, the sound of the current  
> Ultragroove cassette is superior to the carefully pressed disc  
> version I first heard a decade ago.
>    Both Ultragroove tapes, which cost $15 each, show the potential  
> of metal-particle tape, which is becoming cheap enough to permit  
> its use by major duplicators - but they won't do so unless they  
> believe that consumers care. It's likely that anyone who hears  
> either of these two releases will care quite a lot.
>    For more information, contact:
>    Studer Revox America, 1425 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, Tenn. 37210.
>    Ultragroove, P.O. Box 838, Orinda, Calif. 94563.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt  
> <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.
>  I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old  
> machines. The more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.
>  My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in  
> Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics.
>  Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates  
> are very high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS  
> Ground yesterday and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full- 
> Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011? 
> _trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao% 
> 3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg% 
> 3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 16 22:48:02 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:48:02 -1000
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Service
In-Reply-To: <1350414902.54153.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1201EA963DC238E168E1EEF86700@phx.gbl>

 
Amazon was the shipper and I do believe that they filed the claim. I sure
hope so since the 2 sets shipped to Hawaii and the return set cost more to
ship than the item itself....2nd day air...I LOVE Amazon....

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Jayson Levitz
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:15 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Service


Hi Cheryl in Hawaii


I hope you filed claims against UPS for these damaged shipments.  And that
goes for all Naktalkers using UPS who receive damaged shipments. Hopefully,
if UPS gets enough of these claims, management will take steps to stop it. 



Jayson

  _____  

From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: RES: [naktalk] Service


FedEx is much gentler on the packages. UPS to Hawaii always arrives damaged
if the box is large or heavy. FedEx always arrives in good condition but is
more expensive to Hawaii than UPS.
 
We get very good service here from the post office and the rates are much
cheaper than UPS and FedEx.
 
On 2 recent shipments via UPS 2nd day air (original shipment of 4 boxes and
replacement shipment of 4 boxes), 7 of 8 large/heavy boxes were annihilated
and the contents severely damaged in 5 of the boxes. Fortunately, I was able
to fish out enough decent parts from the 2 shipments to put my cabinet
together. It was an unpleasant experience and is the norm.
 
Aloha,
Cheryl
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 16 23:12:04 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:12:04 -0400
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
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Yes I have. While the b215 has great sound it's a bit tinny to me. The zx9 is way way warmer and open. Even the studer decks IMHO are no match for the ZX9 or for that matter any high end Nak

Ram

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On Oct 16, 2012, at 12:41 PM, ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone compared this unit (B215/B-215S to the ZX-9)?
> 
> Revox B215 cassette deck: Fast on the draw, smooth on the ears
> 
> 
> By Al Fasoldt
> Copyright © 1986, The Syracuse Newspapers
> 
>    The glamour boy in audio these days is the compact disc, with its digital signal offering stunning playback quality. But technology has not ignored the other compact recording medium, the audio cassette.
>    The latest advances in cassette technology make it clear that instead of being outstripped by digital techniques, analog cassette quality is striving to keep pace - and succeeding in many areas.
>    The best evidence of this comes both as hardware and as software" - recorders and recordings themselves.
>    For an example of the industry's best efforts in the design of cassette recorders, I asked the American branch of the Swiss firm Studer Revox to supply one of its new Revox B215 cassette decks. It is one of the most expensive ($1,400) and feature-laden decks on the market.
>    For a look at what the recording industry was doing to keep pace, I listened to two tapes from one of the pioneers in the audiophile recording business.
>    As befits a recorder from Revox, a company best known for its indestructible professional recorders, the B215 is large and very heavy. Like all top-quality recorders, the B215 has three heads - erase, record, and play - to permit off-the-tape monitoring while recording.
>    But the B215 also has a circuit that automatically adjusts the deck's internal controls to produce near-perfect results with any brand and type of tape.
>    Like most current cassette decks, the B215 has Dolby B and Dolby C noise reduction circuits to trim the level of hiss. But the Revox deck is rare in incorporating another circuit, Dolby HX Pro, which also cuts distortion.
>    The B215 has many other features worthy of note - including a circuit that automatically sets optimum recording levels, a real-time counter with two memory rewind locations, and fast-acting meters that show signal levels as accurately as anything a pro could afford.
>    But what impresses me the most is the B215's tape transport mechanism, mounted on its own heavy alloy chassis. To start with, instead of using one capstan to pull the tape past the heads, the Revox uses two, on each side of the heads. Each capstan is actually the extended shaft of a separate motor, and each reel hub works the same way. The head assembly pivots against a set of hydraulic shock absorbers that appear large enough to support a motorcycle.
>    The four direct-drive motors provide what is probably the best tape handling of any deck on the market, with amazingly fast tape shuttling in either direction.
>    All this would matter little if the deck could not record and play as well as it handles tape. In tests and subsequent listening sessions, I found the B215 to be unmatched in smooth frequency response, vanishingly low hiss levels and overall clarity of sound.
>    Direct comparisons with a $5,000 digital tape recorder showed the Revox to have more inherent noise and a slight roughness in some sounds, but few other differences were noted. There was no evidence at all of flutter, a common problem of most cassette decks.
>    The "software" I used to judge the playback abilities of the B215 are Dolby B metal-particle cassettes from Ultragroove, a California company that started out in the '70s as a firm that made direct-to-disc records. In fact, one of the two cassettes just released started out as a direct-disc record, although the cassette is being duplicated from a digital back-up tape that was made during the direct-disc recording session.
>    The direct-disc clone is one of Arthur Fiedler's last recordings, a Boston Pops rendition of two war-horses - Tchaikovsky's "Capriccio Italien" and Rimsky-Korsakov's "Capriccio Espagnol."
>    The digital master also showed up a few years back as a dbx-encoded super-high-quality tape from dbx Inc., and I used that version as a comparison. Amazingly, the Ultragroove tape, which doesn't have the help of the super-quiet sonics of the dbx version, is every bit as hiss-free.
>    The other Ultragroove tape is similarly reincarnated from a '70s release. It is "Diahann Carroll," a session made with the Duke Ellington Orchestra. If anything, the sound of the current Ultragroove cassette is superior to the carefully pressed disc version I first heard a decade ago.
>    Both Ultragroove tapes, which cost $15 each, show the potential of metal-particle tape, which is becoming cheap enough to permit its use by major duplicators - but they won't do so unless they believe that consumers care. It's likely that anyone who hears either of these two releases will care quite a lot.
>    For more information, contact:
>    Studer Revox America, 1425 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, Tenn. 37210.
>    Ultragroove, P.O. Box 838, Orinda, Calif. 94563.
>  
> 
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.
>>  I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.
>>  My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics.
>>  Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.
>>  
>>  
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26
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From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:17:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: FW: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
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Hi Ashvin, 
 
It is nice to read some older literature on equipment
compared to the sparse advertisement we see for consumer equipment today. 
 
It is really a sushi to sauerkraut comparison trying to
compare the B215 and Nakamichi decks. I bought a well cared B215 from a first
owner and made a few fine tapes with it. It is one of those rare decks where a manufacturer
has taken reel to reel engineering and put into cassette technology. 
 
The 215 has a cast frame with a four motor transport. It is
a very well engineered deck, much better made then Japanese cassette decks.
Precision and workmanship is top notch and performance is up there too. Sound-wise,
it is the typical Revox sound which is clean, transparent and crisp. Because
the deck was engineered with very different thoughts, it does sound way
different compared to say a ZX-9. The metering seems pretty sparse on this
deck, but seriously, even the ZX9 disappoints with its pithy LED dots and meters.
I wish they had put the same meters they did with the B77 / PR99 units and peak
record lamps which were a joy to use. 
 
It is going to really come down to if you would like the
sound of the Revox decks. There are people out there who like Revox decks more
than Naks and it is a matter of personal taste. I decided to let my 215 go to a
user who really liked it more than a Nak. I have to caution against calling it
a “Dragon slayer or Nak killer”. It is NOT unless you feel it is. Rgds





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 From: ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:41 AM
Subject: Re: FW: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
 

Has anyone compared this unit (B215/B-215S to the ZX-9)?

Revox B215 cassette deck: Fast on the draw, smooth on the ears
By Al Fasoldt
Copyright © 1986, The Syracuse Newspapers

   The glamour boy in audio these days is the compact disc, with its digital signal offering stunning playback quality. But technology has not ignored the other compact recording medium, the audio cassette.
   The latest advances in cassette technology make it clear that instead of being outstripped by digital techniques, analog cassette quality is striving to keep pace - and succeeding in many areas.
   The best evidence of this comes both as hardware and as software" - recorders and recordings themselves.
   For an example of the industry's best efforts in the design of cassette recorders, I asked the American branch of the Swiss firm Studer Revox to supply one of its new Revox B215 cassette decks. It is one of the most expensive ($1,400) and feature-laden decks on the market.
   For a look at what the recording industry was doing to keep pace, I listened to two tapes from one of the pioneers in the audiophile recording business.
   As befits a recorder from Revox, a company best known for its indestructible professional recorders, the B215 is large and very heavy. Like all top-quality recorders, the B215 has three heads - erase, record, and play - to permit off-the-tape monitoring while recording.
   But the B215 also has a circuit that automatically adjusts the deck's internal controls to produce near-perfect results with any brand and type of tape.
   Like most current cassette decks, the B215 has Dolby B and Dolby C noise reduction circuits to trim the level of hiss. But the Revox deck is rare in incorporating another circuit, Dolby HX Pro, which also cuts distortion.
   The B215 has many other features worthy of note - including a circuit that automatically sets optimum recording levels, a real-time counter with two memory rewind locations, and fast-acting meters that show signal levels as accurately as anything a pro could afford.
   But what impresses me the most is the B215's tape transport mechanism, mounted on its own heavy alloy chassis. To start with, instead of using one capstan to pull the tape past the heads, the Revox uses two, on each side of the heads. Each capstan is actually the extended shaft of a separate motor, and each reel hub works the same way. The head assembly pivots against a set of hydraulic shock absorbers that appear large enough to support a motorcycle.
   The four direct-drive motors provide what is probably the best tape handling of any deck on the market, with amazingly fast tape shuttling in either direction.
   All this would matter little if the deck could not record and play as well as it handles tape. In tests and subsequent listening sessions, I found the B215 to be unmatched in smooth frequency response, vanishingly low hiss levels and overall clarity of sound.
   Direct comparisons with a $5,000 digital tape recorder showed the Revox to have more inherent noise and a slight roughness in some sounds, but few other differences were noted. There was no evidence at all of flutter, a common problem of most cassette decks.
   The "software" I used to judge the playback abilities of the B215 are Dolby B metal-particle cassettes from Ultragroove, a California company that started out in the '70s as a firm that made direct-to-disc records. In fact, one of the two cassettes just released started out as a direct-disc record, although the cassette is being duplicated from a digital back-up tape that was made during the direct-disc recording session.
   The direct-disc clone is one of Arthur Fiedler's last recordings, a Boston Pops rendition of two war-horses - Tchaikovsky's "Capriccio Italien" and Rimsky-Korsakov's "Capriccio Espagnol."
   The digital master also showed up a few years back as a dbx-encoded super-high-quality tape from dbx Inc., and I used that version as a comparison. Amazingly, the Ultragroove tape, which doesn't have the help of the super-quiet sonics of the dbx version, is every bit as hiss-free.
   The other Ultragroove tape is similarly reincarnated from a '70s release. It is "Diahann Carroll," a session made with the Duke Ellington Orchestra. If anything, the sound of the current Ultragroove cassette is superior to the carefully pressed disc version I first heard a decade ago.
   Both Ultragroove tapes, which cost $15 each, show the potential of metal-particle tape, which is becoming cheap enough to permit its use by major duplicators - but they won't do so unless they believe that consumers care. It's likely that anyone who hears either of these two releases will care quite a lot.
   For more information, contact:
   Studer Revox America, 1425 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, Tenn. 37210.
   Ultragroove, P.O. Box 838, Orinda, Calif. 94563.
 


On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:


> I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.
> I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.
> My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics.
> Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.
> 
>
> 
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26
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From: icmllc at gmail.com (ashvin srivastava)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:34:51 -0500
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Herr Gerhard,

Das ist sehr Gut.  Danke Schone....

That is the extent of my German.  Of course you may be French-Swiss (my
apologies)

I was searching for a cassette unit for many years to transfer old live
recordings onto reel and CD/Digital memory.  My tapes are getting bad.  I
was looking at Nakamichi, Revox and Tanberg.  I am a great fan of the
Studer machines. (of course before Harman, Revox today is like a computer).
I chose the ZX-9 and it is going straight to Willy to be serviced.

Because I love Studer engineering, I was wondering if I made a mistake.
 Your e-mail shows a lot of first hand knowledge.  Cant beat that.

Thanks

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>wrote:

> Yes,
>
> The B215 sounds a little thin, very exact, more  like a CD-Player.
> It was made in the  time, when CD gets stated.
> It has lots off IC in it, the weight is may be less than have   like  a
> ZX-9.
>
> The  Bias Computer works fine. The recordings a very good ( like CD sound )
>
> There is no azimuth alignment in any way. If the cassette stays in the
> REVOX, it does not matter.
>
> The meters are small and poor, the feeling when you handle it is CD Player
> from Korea again.
>
> BUT........ the transport is may be the world´s best.
>
> It plays, after one ore two years  break , just  like on the first day.
>
> Made with big metal wheels and  a  very strong, big magnet to lift the
> head base. Quartz Speed.
>
> Take care to buy  only after the Serie Nr. 10000.-
> be for  that REVOX have got a  problem with the back tension!!
>
> Very hard to repair, because of IC Circuits
>
> You find the same transport  without IC  logic  in the very heavy, better
> Deck,B-710.
>
> This transport does slow down  when  the tape ends  in FF or REV mute, by
>  infrared light looking trough  the tape.
>
> The same Deck sold by STUDER  has  nice  record potentiometers. On the
> REXOX the are digital only.
>
>
> To align azimuth would be a hard job, compare to a ZX-9.
>
> I don´t want to write about a ZX-9,.... we know , it is one of the finest.
>
> regards
>
> Gerhard
>
>
>
>
> Am 16.10.2012 um 18:41 schrieb ashvin srivastava:
>
> Has anyone compared this unit (B215/B-215S to the ZX-9)?
>
> Revox B215 cassette deck: Fast on the draw, smooth on the ears
> *By Al Fasoldt*
> *Copyright © 1986, The Syracuse Newspapers
> *
>    The glamour boy in audio these days is the compact disc, with its
> digital signal offering stunning playback quality. But technology has not
> ignored the other compact recording medium, the audio cassette.
>    The latest advances in cassette technology make it clear that instead
> of being outstripped by digital techniques, analog cassette quality is
> striving to keep pace - and succeeding in many areas.
>    The best evidence of this comes both as hardware and as software" -
> recorders and recordings themselves.
>    For an example of the industry's best efforts in the design of cassette
> recorders, I asked the American branch of the Swiss firm Studer Revox to
> supply one of its new Revox B215 cassette decks. It is one of the most
> expensive ($1,400) and feature-laden decks on the market.
>    For a look at what the recording industry was doing to keep pace, I
> listened to two tapes from one of the pioneers in the audiophile recording
> business.
>    As befits a recorder from Revox, a company best known for its
> indestructible professional recorders, the B215 is large and very heavy.
> Like all top-quality recorders, the B215 has three heads - erase, record,
> and play - to permit off-the-tape monitoring while recording.
>    But the B215 also has a circuit that automatically adjusts the deck's
> internal controls to produce near-perfect results with any brand and type
> of tape.
>    Like most current cassette decks, the B215 has Dolby B and Dolby C
> noise reduction circuits to trim the level of hiss. But the Revox deck is
> rare in incorporating another circuit, Dolby HX Pro, which also cuts
> distortion.
>    The B215 has many other features worthy of note - including a circuit
> that automatically sets optimum recording levels, a real-time counter with
> two memory rewind locations, and fast-acting meters that show signal levels
> as accurately as anything a pro could afford.
>    But what impresses me the most is the B215's tape transport mechanism,
> mounted on its own heavy alloy chassis. To start with, instead of using one
> capstan to pull the tape past the heads, the Revox uses two, on each side
> of the heads. Each capstan is actually the extended shaft of a separate
> motor, and each reel hub works the same way. The head assembly pivots
> against a set of hydraulic shock absorbers that appear large enough to
> support a motorcycle.
>    The four direct-drive motors provide what is probably the best tape
> handling of any deck on the market, with amazingly fast tape shuttling in
> either direction.
>    All this would matter little if the deck could not record and play as
> well as it handles tape. In tests and subsequent listening sessions, I
> found the B215 to be unmatched in smooth frequency response, vanishingly
> low hiss levels and overall clarity of sound.
>    Direct comparisons with a $5,000 digital tape recorder showed the Revox
> to have more inherent noise and a slight roughness in some sounds, but few
> other differences were noted. There was no evidence at all of flutter, a
> common problem of most cassette decks.
>    The "software" I used to judge the playback abilities of the B215 are
> Dolby B metal-particle cassettes from Ultragroove, a California company
> that started out in the '70s as a firm that made direct-to-disc records. In
> fact, one of the two cassettes just released started out as a direct-disc
> record, although the cassette is being duplicated from a digital back-up
> tape that was made during the direct-disc recording session.
>    The direct-disc clone is one of Arthur Fiedler's last recordings, a
> Boston Pops rendition of two war-horses - Tchaikovsky's "Capriccio Italien"
> and Rimsky-Korsakov's "Capriccio Espagnol."
>    The digital master also showed up a few years back as a dbx-encoded
> super-high-quality tape from dbx Inc., and I used that version as a
> comparison. Amazingly, the Ultragroove tape, which doesn't have the help of
> the super-quiet sonics of the dbx version, is every bit as hiss-free.
>    The other Ultragroove tape is similarly reincarnated from a '70s
> release. It is "Diahann Carroll," a session made with the Duke Ellington
> Orchestra. If anything, the sound of the current Ultragroove cassette is
> superior to the carefully pressed disc version I first heard a decade ago.
>    Both Ultragroove tapes, which cost $15 each, show the potential of
> metal-particle tape, which is becoming cheap enough to permit its use by
> major duplicators - but they won't do so unless they believe that consumers
> care. It's likely that anyone who hears either of these two releases will
> care quite a lot.
>    For more information, contact:
>    Studer Revox America, 1425 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, Tenn. 37210.
>    Ultragroove, P.O. Box 838, Orinda, Calif. 94563.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>  I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.
>>  I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The
>> more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.
>>  My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in
>> Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics.
>>  Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very
>> high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday
>> and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26
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Ram,
You have to be kidding.  You mean that the ZX-9 at 1 7/8's can beat a
calibrated Studer R2R at 30ips.

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Ram <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Yes I have. While the b215 has great sound it's a bit tinny to me. The zx9
> is way way warmer and open. Even the studer decks IMHO are no match for the
> ZX9 or for that matter any high end Nak
>
> Ram
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 16, 2012, at 12:41 PM, ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone compared this unit (B215/B-215S to the ZX-9)?
>
> Revox B215 cassette deck: Fast on the draw, smooth on the ears
> *By Al Fasoldt*
> *Copyright © 1986, The Syracuse Newspapers
> *
>    The glamour boy in audio these days is the compact disc, with its
> digital signal offering stunning playback quality. But technology has not
> ignored the other compact recording medium, the audio cassette.
>    The latest advances in cassette technology make it clear that instead
> of being outstripped by digital techniques, analog cassette quality is
> striving to keep pace - and succeeding in many areas.
>    The best evidence of this comes both as hardware and as software" -
> recorders and recordings themselves.
>    For an example of the industry's best efforts in the design of cassette
> recorders, I asked the American branch of the Swiss firm Studer Revox to
> supply one of its new Revox B215 cassette decks. It is one of the most
> expensive ($1,400) and feature-laden decks on the market.
>    For a look at what the recording industry was doing to keep pace, I
> listened to two tapes from one of the pioneers in the audiophile recording
> business.
>    As befits a recorder from Revox, a company best known for its
> indestructible professional recorders, the B215 is large and very heavy.
> Like all top-quality recorders, the B215 has three heads - erase, record,
> and play - to permit off-the-tape monitoring while recording.
>    But the B215 also has a circuit that automatically adjusts the deck's
> internal controls to produce near-perfect results with any brand and type
> of tape.
>    Like most current cassette decks, the B215 has Dolby B and Dolby C
> noise reduction circuits to trim the level of hiss. But the Revox deck is
> rare in incorporating another circuit, Dolby HX Pro, which also cuts
> distortion.
>    The B215 has many other features worthy of note - including a circuit
> that automatically sets optimum recording levels, a real-time counter with
> two memory rewind locations, and fast-acting meters that show signal levels
> as accurately as anything a pro could afford.
>    But what impresses me the most is the B215's tape transport mechanism,
> mounted on its own heavy alloy chassis. To start with, instead of using one
> capstan to pull the tape past the heads, the Revox uses two, on each side
> of the heads. Each capstan is actually the extended shaft of a separate
> motor, and each reel hub works the same way. The head assembly pivots
> against a set of hydraulic shock absorbers that appear large enough to
> support a motorcycle.
>    The four direct-drive motors provide what is probably the best tape
> handling of any deck on the market, with amazingly fast tape shuttling in
> either direction.
>    All this would matter little if the deck could not record and play as
> well as it handles tape. In tests and subsequent listening sessions, I
> found the B215 to be unmatched in smooth frequency response, vanishingly
> low hiss levels and overall clarity of sound.
>    Direct comparisons with a $5,000 digital tape recorder showed the Revox
> to have more inherent noise and a slight roughness in some sounds, but few
> other differences were noted. There was no evidence at all of flutter, a
> common problem of most cassette decks.
>    The "software" I used to judge the playback abilities of the B215 are
> Dolby B metal-particle cassettes from Ultragroove, a California company
> that started out in the '70s as a firm that made direct-to-disc records. In
> fact, one of the two cassettes just released started out as a direct-disc
> record, although the cassette is being duplicated from a digital back-up
> tape that was made during the direct-disc recording session.
>    The direct-disc clone is one of Arthur Fiedler's last recordings, a
> Boston Pops rendition of two war-horses - Tchaikovsky's "Capriccio Italien"
> and Rimsky-Korsakov's "Capriccio Espagnol."
>    The digital master also showed up a few years back as a dbx-encoded
> super-high-quality tape from dbx Inc., and I used that version as a
> comparison. Amazingly, the Ultragroove tape, which doesn't have the help of
> the super-quiet sonics of the dbx version, is every bit as hiss-free.
>    The other Ultragroove tape is similarly reincarnated from a '70s
> release. It is "Diahann Carroll," a session made with the Duke Ellington
> Orchestra. If anything, the sound of the current Ultragroove cassette is
> superior to the carefully pressed disc version I first heard a decade ago.
>    Both Ultragroove tapes, which cost $15 each, show the potential of
> metal-particle tape, which is becoming cheap enough to permit its use by
> major duplicators - but they won't do so unless they believe that consumers
> care. It's likely that anyone who hears either of these two releases will
> care quite a lot.
>    For more information, contact:
>    Studer Revox America, 1425 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, Tenn. 37210.
>    Ultragroove, P.O. Box 838, Orinda, Calif. 94563.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>  I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.
>>  I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The
>> more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.
>>  My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in
>> Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics.
>>  Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very
>> high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday
>> and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26
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From adrian at mechner.net  Wed Oct 17 05:01:05 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:01:05 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] If anyone wants my Oppo...
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I'm selling my Oppo and I thought to bring this up since it's a high end
player.

I listed it on my local CL and the provided link will take you there.

I will only charge for shipping whatever the cost might be to wherever you
want me to ship worldwide.

I will take PayPal but buyer will pay the fee.

Thanks for reading

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/ele/3344135683.html

 

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From noneyhoney at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 17 05:47:03 2012
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Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:17:03 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
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@ Pieter, well the belt seems fine and its not slipping so Im not sure the belt is the cause.@ Ram, Salvatore, you have a point there and perhaps one that needs to be looked at as well. The deck was inactive for a few months till i changed the belt and I'd hate to think the motor has dead spots already considering its a DR2 ('90s make) and fairly unused. 
Ill try to adjust the torque and see if that helps, or running a few other tapes and see.Thank you all, will report on this. 		 	   		  
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 09:23:32 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:23:32 +0200
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
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dear Bala,

Okay, I agree,

NAKAMICHI can be  sushi,  if the  ZXL can  be the blow fish,
But Revox would be prime boiled beef to me.
Okay ?
BASF cassettes can be the sauerkraut, if you like.

best regards

Gerhard


Am 17.10.2012 um 03:17 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:

> Hi Ashvin,
>
> It is nice to read some older literature on equipment compared to  
> the sparse advertisement we see for consumer equipment today.
>
> It is really a sushi to sauerkraut comparison trying to compare the  
> B215 and Nakamichi decks. I bought a well cared B215 from a first  
> owner and made a few fine tapes with it. It is one of those rare  
> decks where a manufacturer has taken reel to reel engineering and  
> put into cassette technology.
>
> The 215 has a cast frame with a four motor transport. It is a very  
> well engineered deck, much better made then Japanese cassette  
> decks. Precision and workmanship is top notch and performance is up  
> there too. Sound-wise, it is the typical Revox sound which is  
> clean, transparent and crisp. Because the deck was engineered with  
> very different thoughts, it does sound way different compared to  
> say a ZX-9. The metering seems pretty sparse on this deck, but  
> seriously, even the ZX9 disappoints with its pithy LED dots and  
> meters. I wish they had put the same meters they did with the B77 /  
> PR99 units and peak record lamps which were a joy to use.
>
> It is going to really come down to if you would like the sound of  
> the Revox decks. There are people out there who like Revox decks  
> more than Naks and it is a matter of personal taste. I decided to  
> let my 215 go to a user who really liked it more than a Nak. I have  
> to caution against calling it a “Dragon slayer or Nak killer”. It  
> is NOT unless you feel it is.
> Rgds
>
> From: ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:41 AM
> Subject: Re: FW: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the  
> B215
>
> Has anyone compared this unit (B215/B-215S to the ZX-9)?
>
> Revox B215 cassette deck: Fast on the draw, smooth on the ears
>
>
> By Al Fasoldt
> Copyright © 1986, The Syracuse Newspapers
>
>    The glamour boy in audio these days is the compact disc, with  
> its digital signal offering stunning playback quality. But  
> technology has not ignored the other compact recording medium, the  
> audio cassette.
>    The latest advances in cassette technology make it clear that  
> instead of being outstripped by digital techniques, analog cassette  
> quality is striving to keep pace - and succeeding in many areas.
>    The best evidence of this comes both as hardware and as  
> software" - recorders and recordings themselves.
>    For an example of the industry's best efforts in the design of  
> cassette recorders, I asked the American branch of the Swiss firm  
> Studer Revox to supply one of its new Revox B215 cassette decks. It  
> is one of the most expensive ($1,400) and feature-laden decks on  
> the market.
>    For a look at what the recording industry was doing to keep  
> pace, I listened to two tapes from one of the pioneers in the  
> audiophile recording business.
>    As befits a recorder from Revox, a company best known for its  
> indestructible professional recorders, the B215 is large and very  
> heavy. Like all top-quality recorders, the B215 has three heads -  
> erase, record, and play - to permit off-the-tape monitoring while  
> recording.
>    But the B215 also has a circuit that automatically adjusts the  
> deck's internal controls to produce near-perfect results with any  
> brand and type of tape.
>    Like most current cassette decks, the B215 has Dolby B and Dolby  
> C noise reduction circuits to trim the level of hiss. But the Revox  
> deck is rare in incorporating another circuit, Dolby HX Pro, which  
> also cuts distortion.
>    The B215 has many other features worthy of note - including a  
> circuit that automatically sets optimum recording levels, a real- 
> time counter with two memory rewind locations, and fast-acting  
> meters that show signal levels as accurately as anything a pro  
> could afford.
>    But what impresses me the most is the B215's tape transport  
> mechanism, mounted on its own heavy alloy chassis. To start with,  
> instead of using one capstan to pull the tape past the heads, the  
> Revox uses two, on each side of the heads. Each capstan is actually  
> the extended shaft of a separate motor, and each reel hub works the  
> same way. The head assembly pivots against a set of hydraulic shock  
> absorbers that appear large enough to support a motorcycle.
>    The four direct-drive motors provide what is probably the best  
> tape handling of any deck on the market, with amazingly fast tape  
> shuttling in either direction.
>    All this would matter little if the deck could not record and  
> play as well as it handles tape. In tests and subsequent listening  
> sessions, I found the B215 to be unmatched in smooth frequency  
> response, vanishingly low hiss levels and overall clarity of sound.
>    Direct comparisons with a $5,000 digital tape recorder showed  
> the Revox to have more inherent noise and a slight roughness in  
> some sounds, but few other differences were noted. There was no  
> evidence at all of flutter, a common problem of most cassette decks.
>    The "software" I used to judge the playback abilities of the  
> B215 are Dolby B metal-particle cassettes from Ultragroove, a  
> California company that started out in the '70s as a firm that made  
> direct-to-disc records. In fact, one of the two cassettes just  
> released started out as a direct-disc record, although the cassette  
> is being duplicated from a digital back-up tape that was made  
> during the direct-disc recording session.
>    The direct-disc clone is one of Arthur Fiedler's last  
> recordings, a Boston Pops rendition of two war-horses -  
> Tchaikovsky's "Capriccio Italien" and Rimsky-Korsakov's "Capriccio  
> Espagnol."
>    The digital master also showed up a few years back as a dbx- 
> encoded super-high-quality tape from dbx Inc., and I used that  
> version as a comparison. Amazingly, the Ultragroove tape, which  
> doesn't have the help of the super-quiet sonics of the dbx version,  
> is every bit as hiss-free.
>    The other Ultragroove tape is similarly reincarnated from a '70s  
> release. It is "Diahann Carroll," a session made with the Duke  
> Ellington Orchestra. If anything, the sound of the current  
> Ultragroove cassette is superior to the carefully pressed disc  
> version I first heard a decade ago.
>    Both Ultragroove tapes, which cost $15 each, show the potential  
> of metal-particle tape, which is becoming cheap enough to permit  
> its use by major duplicators - but they won't do so unless they  
> believe that consumers care. It's likely that anyone who hears  
> either of these two releases will care quite a lot.
>    For more information, contact:
>    Studer Revox America, 1425 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, Tenn. 37210.
>    Ultragroove, P.O. Box 838, Orinda, Calif. 94563.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt  
> <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.
>  I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old  
> machines. The more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.
>  My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in  
> Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics.
>  Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates  
> are very high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS  
> Ground yesterday and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full- 
> Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011? 
> _trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao% 
> 3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg% 
> 3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 17 10:16:13 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:16:13 +1000
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
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Nakamichi was pretty much like Aiwa which focused on cassette decks first and then other things. Most other cassette deck manufacturers, Revox and Tandberg included made reel decks and that technology trickled down into the cassette decks. 

What set Nakamichi apart was how they pushed the envelope with cassettes and that consequently spurred other manufacturers to innovate. For some reason thought, with the ZX series decks, that momentum started to slow down. I so not know if it had anything to do with Mr  Nakamichi's passing in 82 but from then on their decks weren't really innovating much. 

Bear in mind that what Nakamichi was doing with the CR7 was already done by Aiwa 6 years earlier. With the last few decks, the sonic gap was pretty much closed. Again, you can't call any of these decks a 'Dragon slayer' or giant killer. The Dragon is the Dragon and its good at the certain things it was built for. 

The other decks reflect the designers' philosophy. Aiwa chose to tame cassette shell resonance and drive resonance to an extent. Nakamichi chose to focus on azimuth inconsistency. Technics chose to focus on drive stability.  Akan of course had their legendary glass heads many of which would just be running out of warranty. 

By and large, Nakamichi brought cassette to one of the highest points. 

Reds 

Sent from my iPhone

On 17/10/2012, at 5:23 PM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:

> dear Bala,
> 
> Okay, I agree,
> 
> NAKAMICHI can be  sushi,  if the  ZXL can  be the blow fish, 
> But Revox would be prime boiled beef to me.
> Okay ?  
> BASF cassettes can be the sauerkraut, if you like.
> 
> best regards
> 
> Gerhard
> 
> 
> Am 17.10.2012 um 03:17 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:
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From chapman.w2 at sky.com  Wed Oct 17 10:33:53 2012
From: chapman.w2 at sky.com (John Chapman)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:33:53 +0100
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
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Hmmmmm!

I agree! That is some claim

I have a ZX7 which I love and a Bx300 but neither quite compare with my Akai GX635 for solidity of bass, general security of sound. The older Akai GX630 was even better. It had motors that would pull a car out of a ditch! Noise floor is maybe neck and neck. Hi Fi World conducted a comparison between an AKai GX625 and a CR7 and confirmed similar conclusions at 7.5 ips. Good R to R has a spacial quality that is hard to match on live recordings.

I have conducted simultaneous recordings from the GX635 and ZX7 and there is no question which is best, never mind a Studer at 30 ips.

I had a Revox 710 and agree about build quality, but somewhat mechanical sound. But for the cost of tape, I'd uses the Akai every time.

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On 16 Oct 2012, at 23:35, ashvin srivastava wrote:

> Ram,
> You have to be kidding.  You mean that the ZX-9 at 1 7/8's can beat a calibrated Studer R2R at 30ips.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Ram <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes I have. While the b215 has great sound it's a bit tinny to me. The zx9 is way way warmer and open. Even the studer decks IMHO are no match for the ZX9 or for that matter any high end Nak
> 
> Ram
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 16, 2012, at 12:41 PM, ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone compared this unit (B215/B-215S to the ZX-9)?
>> 
>> Revox B215 cassette deck: Fast on the draw, smooth on the ears
>> 
>> 
>> By Al Fasoldt
>> Copyright © 1986, The Syracuse Newspapers
>> 
>>    The glamour boy in audio these days is the compact disc, with its digital signal offering stunning playback quality. But technology has not ignored the other compact recording medium, the audio cassette.
>>    The latest advances in cassette technology make it clear that instead of being outstripped by digital techniques, analog cassette quality is striving to keep pace - and succeeding in many areas.
>>    The best evidence of this comes both as hardware and as software" - recorders and recordings themselves.
>>    For an example of the industry's best efforts in the design of cassette recorders, I asked the American branch of the Swiss firm Studer Revox to supply one of its new Revox B215 cassette decks. It is one of the most expensive ($1,400) and feature-laden decks on the market.
>>    For a look at what the recording industry was doing to keep pace, I listened to two tapes from one of the pioneers in the audiophile recording business.
>>    As befits a recorder from Revox, a company best known for its indestructible professional recorders, the B215 is large and very heavy. Like all top-quality recorders, the B215 has three heads - erase, record, and play - to permit off-the-tape monitoring while recording.
>>    But the B215 also has a circuit that automatically adjusts the deck's internal controls to produce near-perfect results with any brand and type of tape.
>>    Like most current cassette decks, the B215 has Dolby B and Dolby C noise reduction circuits to trim the level of hiss. But the Revox deck is rare in incorporating another circuit, Dolby HX Pro, which also cuts distortion.
>>    The B215 has many other features worthy of note - including a circuit that automatically sets optimum recording levels, a real-time counter with two memory rewind locations, and fast-acting meters that show signal levels as accurately as anything a pro could afford.
>>    But what impresses me the most is the B215's tape transport mechanism, mounted on its own heavy alloy chassis. To start with, instead of using one capstan to pull the tape past the heads, the Revox uses two, on each side of the heads. Each capstan is actually the extended shaft of a separate motor, and each reel hub works the same way. The head assembly pivots against a set of hydraulic shock absorbers that appear large enough to support a motorcycle.
>>    The four direct-drive motors provide what is probably the best tape handling of any deck on the market, with amazingly fast tape shuttling in either direction.
>>    All this would matter little if the deck could not record and play as well as it handles tape. In tests and subsequent listening sessions, I found the B215 to be unmatched in smooth frequency response, vanishingly low hiss levels and overall clarity of sound.
>>    Direct comparisons with a $5,000 digital tape recorder showed the Revox to have more inherent noise and a slight roughness in some sounds, but few other differences were noted. There was no evidence at all of flutter, a common problem of most cassette decks.
>>    The "software" I used to judge the playback abilities of the B215 are Dolby B metal-particle cassettes from Ultragroove, a California company that started out in the '70s as a firm that made direct-to-disc records. In fact, one of the two cassettes just released started out as a direct-disc record, although the cassette is being duplicated from a digital back-up tape that was made during the direct-disc recording session.
>>    The direct-disc clone is one of Arthur Fiedler's last recordings, a Boston Pops rendition of two war-horses - Tchaikovsky's "Capriccio Italien" and Rimsky-Korsakov's "Capriccio Espagnol."
>>    The digital master also showed up a few years back as a dbx-encoded super-high-quality tape from dbx Inc., and I used that version as a comparison. Amazingly, the Ultragroove tape, which doesn't have the help of the super-quiet sonics of the dbx version, is every bit as hiss-free.
>>    The other Ultragroove tape is similarly reincarnated from a '70s release. It is "Diahann Carroll," a session made with the Duke Ellington Orchestra. If anything, the sound of the current Ultragroove cassette is superior to the carefully pressed disc version I first heard a decade ago.
>>    Both Ultragroove tapes, which cost $15 each, show the potential of metal-particle tape, which is becoming cheap enough to permit its use by major duplicators - but they won't do so unless they believe that consumers care. It's likely that anyone who hears either of these two releases will care quite a lot.
>>    For more information, contact:
>>    Studer Revox America, 1425 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, Tenn. 37210.
>>    Ultragroove, P.O. Box 838, Orinda, Calif. 94563.
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.
>>  I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.
>>  My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics.
>>  Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.
>>  
>>  
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26
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From adrian at mechner.net  Wed Oct 17 10:40:27 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 01:40:27 -0700
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
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As a matter of fact I had the B77 back in the day. It was new when I got it.
That was kind of a standard, however as soon as Akai came out with the GX
635, I got one of those and it beat the s. out of the much more expensive
Revox. Later on I got the GX 747 and that was a WOW again.

Recently I got a restored B77 (3 years ago) at a local very well regarded
store. After playing it against my Naks and my Akai GX 912, I returned it.

It can't keep up in sound while the build quality is unquestionable. But
again, would you rather get a tank or a Ferrari? 

While the mechanics are truly outstanding, there's more to an electronic
device than that, and excuse me, but Swiss electronics??? Must be a bad
joke!

Swiss are best with watches, "Kuckuksuhren", "Lederhosen", Cheese and milk
chocolate, besides that. Keeping untraceable money for huge fees and
basically that's it.

 

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of ashvin srivastava
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 3:36 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215

 

Ram,

You have to be kidding.  You mean that the ZX-9 at 1 7/8's can beat a
calibrated Studer R2R at 30ips.

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Ram <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Yes I have. While the b215 has great sound it's a bit tinny to me. The zx9
is way way warmer and open. Even the studer decks IMHO are no match for the
ZX9 or for that matter any high end Nak

 

Ram

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 16, 2012, at 12:41 PM, ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com> wrote:

Has anyone compared this unit (B215/B-215S to the ZX-9)?

 


Revox B215 cassette deck: Fast on the draw, smooth on the ears



By Al Fasoldt
Copyright C 1986, The Syracuse Newspapers

   The glamour boy in audio these days is the compact disc, with its digital
signal offering stunning playback quality. But technology has not ignored
the other compact recording medium, the audio cassette.
   The latest advances in cassette technology make it clear that instead of
being outstripped by digital techniques, analog cassette quality is striving
to keep pace - and succeeding in many areas.
   The best evidence of this comes both as hardware and as software" -
recorders and recordings themselves.
   For an example of the industry's best efforts in the design of cassette
recorders, I asked the American branch of the Swiss firm Studer Revox to
supply one of its new Revox B215 cassette decks. It is one of the most
expensive ($1,400) and feature-laden decks on the market.
   For a look at what the recording industry was doing to keep pace, I
listened to two tapes from one of the pioneers in the audiophile recording
business.
   As befits a recorder from Revox, a company best known for its
indestructible professional recorders, the B215 is large and very heavy.
Like all top-quality recorders, the B215 has three heads - erase, record,
and play - to permit off-the-tape monitoring while recording.
   But the B215 also has a circuit that automatically adjusts the deck's
internal controls to produce near-perfect results with any brand and type of
tape.
   Like most current cassette decks, the B215 has Dolby B and Dolby C noise
reduction circuits to trim the level of hiss. But the Revox deck is rare in
incorporating another circuit, Dolby HX Pro, which also cuts distortion.
   The B215 has many other features worthy of note - including a circuit
that automatically sets optimum recording levels, a real-time counter with
two memory rewind locations, and fast-acting meters that show signal levels
as accurately as anything a pro could afford.
   But what impresses me the most is the B215's tape transport mechanism,
mounted on its own heavy alloy chassis. To start with, instead of using one
capstan to pull the tape past the heads, the Revox uses two, on each side of
the heads. Each capstan is actually the extended shaft of a separate motor,
and each reel hub works the same way. The head assembly pivots against a set
of hydraulic shock absorbers that appear large enough to support a
motorcycle.
   The four direct-drive motors provide what is probably the best tape
handling of any deck on the market, with amazingly fast tape shuttling in
either direction.
   All this would matter little if the deck could not record and play as
well as it handles tape. In tests and subsequent listening sessions, I found
the B215 to be unmatched in smooth frequency response, vanishingly low hiss
levels and overall clarity of sound.
   Direct comparisons with a $5,000 digital tape recorder showed the Revox
to have more inherent noise and a slight roughness in some sounds, but few
other differences were noted. There was no evidence at all of flutter, a
common problem of most cassette decks.
   The "software" I used to judge the playback abilities of the B215 are
Dolby B metal-particle cassettes from Ultragroove, a California company that
started out in the '70s as a firm that made direct-to-disc records. In fact,
one of the two cassettes just released started out as a direct-disc record,
although the cassette is being duplicated from a digital back-up tape that
was made during the direct-disc recording session.
   The direct-disc clone is one of Arthur Fiedler's last recordings, a
Boston Pops rendition of two war-horses - Tchaikovsky's "Capriccio Italien"
and Rimsky-Korsakov's "Capriccio Espagnol."
   The digital master also showed up a few years back as a dbx-encoded
super-high-quality tape from dbx Inc., and I used that version as a
comparison. Amazingly, the Ultragroove tape, which doesn't have the help of
the super-quiet sonics of the dbx version, is every bit as hiss-free.
   The other Ultragroove tape is similarly reincarnated from a '70s release.
It is "Diahann Carroll," a session made with the Duke Ellington Orchestra.
If anything, the sound of the current Ultragroove cassette is superior to
the carefully pressed disc version I first heard a decade ago.
   Both Ultragroove tapes, which cost $15 each, show the potential of
metal-particle tape, which is becoming cheap enough to permit its use by
major duplicators - but they won't do so unless they believe that consumers
care. It's likely that anyone who hears either of these two releases will
care quite a lot.
   For more information, contact:
   Studer Revox America, 1425 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, Tenn. 37210.
   Ultragroove, P.O. Box 838, Orinda, Calif. 94563.
 

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:


 I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.
 I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The
more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.
 My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in Phoenix,
AZ to service any vintage electronics.
 Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very
high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday
and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.
 

 

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ice-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Ser
vice-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555
001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pi
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Wed Oct 17 13:24:49 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:24:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] B215/B710MKII vs ZX-9
Message-ID: <80317159.463335.1350473089718.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>


I have fully restored a number of B215s & 2 B710MKIIs, as well as 5 ZX-9s.  I currently still own 4 of the Revox decks and 3 of the ZX-9s.  I really need to sell one of each at least. SWMBO is a bit peeved at the 40+ decks in the man cave.
Some may know, I have all the Nak gauges, tapes, meters etc, and strive to bring the decks to their optimum performance levels, and built the simple Revox calibrator for the B215.  I even sought out Revox tapes (re branded BASF) and others listed in the manual.
 I do thoroughly enjoy both models, but have to give the final nod to the ZX-9, based on sonics.  
First though, I found the previous 1986 B215 review curious, as the transport is essentially identical to the B710, so certainly should not have been new to the reviewer, and there is only a single dampening piston, with adjustable rate, on the earlier ones. 
 Later B215s came with a simple plastic non adjustable piston, that actually does very little.  The actual transport design is by far the most robust there is, as their is no rubber bits to age, except the pressure rollers.
Unfortunately, the Revox rollers are very susceptible to aging, unlike their Nak counterparts.  Replacement of them is critical to good performance.
The Revox decks excel above the ZX-9 in W&F, (but actually only just barely, my best ZX-9 is actually better than my "worst" Revox, transport swiftness, real time counters, autocal, soft stop at both ends, and HX-Pro recording.
They lose ground to the Nak in the inability to correct for a poor autocal, in that you are stuck with whatever you get, though it uses a 3 frequency curve fit, that once calibrated, it extremely accurate for a very wide array of tapes, better even, than the CR-7.
The ability to extend the upper frequencies with lower distortion to higher levels, on any tape type easily goes to the Nak. I much prefer the Nak meters.
While the Nak can be set to exact speed, at center tape, those in the know, know that the ZX-9 suffers some from drift, even with the take up as direct drive. Slightly faster in the beginning, and slower at the end, it is never the less over a larger portion of tape, closer to exact speed than the Revox, which is consistently fast from beginning to end, and not adjustable without extensive modification.
The sandwiched heads of the Revox are inferior to the fully discrete Nak heads, their largest Achilles heel, IMHO.
Both Revox models suffer from a large number of CMOS switches, in the signal path, similar in design to the 4066 discussion earlier, in that they are pseudo switches. The B710 has perhaps 8 4066 in the signal path, the B215, 1.  The B215 has a number of  7051, 52, & 53s, though these can easily be replaced with lower distortion and more linear HC versions.
Even after extensive work on the Revox decks, though, I still find the sound of the ZX-9 surpasses them for recording, and normally for playback of pre-recorded as well.  
There are some tapes, though, that the use of the pressure pad against the tape to the head, is audibly better than with a pad lifter. 
Once both are restored, though, the durability nod goes to the Revox decks, as does ease of service, by a landslide. OCD is a distinct issue with ZX-9s. The Revox decks need every electrolytic cap replaced, as they are poor durability ones by Frako and Philips. The PCB traces on the Revox boards are fragile.  But once done, you never have to go back in.
The DD reel motors on the Revox decks often need service, due to thickening lube on decks that have sat for a long time.
Don't get me wrong, the Revox are superb, and I listen to mine often, but not as much as my 



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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 17 16:15:46 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 07:15:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
In-Reply-To: <CACSsU2MhQ27sO29N=xBvUMiWV=CGNE845BkA7Y+4Kxc_bnhjQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSsU2PjZuH18a1iT+JuY6od5VTS+tPYBA7Q0W4ow_x2drgb9w@mail.gmail.com>
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Asvin,

Lets compare apples to apples. When I stated Studers, I meant their cassette decks. So no kidding bro. Yeah what I 
meant was ALL STUDER cassette decks. 
Peace.



________________________________
 From: ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
 

Ram,
You have to be kidding.  You mean that the ZX-9 at 1 7/8's can beat a calibrated Studer R2R at 30ips.


On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Ram <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Yes I have. While the b215 has great sound it's a bit tinny to me. The zx9 is way way warmer and open. Even the studer decks IMHO are no match for the ZX9 or for that matter any high end Nak
>
>
>Ram
>
>Sent from my iPhone
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 17 16:18:30 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 07:18:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
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If its a DR2, the most likely cause is a dead spot reel motor. These motors have been notorious.

Good luck.

Ram.


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To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:47 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
 

 
@ Pieter, well the belt seems fine and its not slipping so Im not sure the belt is the cause.
@ Ram, Salvatore, you have a point there and perhaps one that needs to be looked at as well. The deck was inactive for a few months till i changed the belt and I'd hate to think the motor has dead spots already considering its a DR2 ('90s make) and fairly unused. 

Ill try to adjust the torque and see if that helps, or running a few other tapes and see.
Thank you all, will report on this.
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 17 16:26:47 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 07:26:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
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John,

Don't you think you are also getting ahead of yourself by comparing apples and oranges? My intent was to compare these manufacturer's cassette iterations. Not rtr or other formats.

Peace.

Ram.

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To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:33 AM
Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
 

Hmmmmm!

I agree! That is some claim

I have a ZX7 which I love and a Bx300 but neither quite compare with my Akai GX635 for solidity of bass, general security of sound. The older Akai GX630 was even better. It had motors that would pull a car out of a ditch! Noise floor is maybe neck and neck. Hi Fi World conducted a comparison between an AKai GX625 and a CR7 and confirmed similar conclusions at 7.5 ips. Good R to R has a spacial quality that is hard to match on live recordings.

I have conducted simultaneous recordings from the GX635 and ZX7 and there is no question which is best, never mind a Studer at 30 ips.

I had a Revox 710 and agree about build quality, but somewhat mechanical sound. But for the cost of tape, I'd uses the Akai every time.

Regards

John Chapman

01872 865505
07740 565255

chapman.w2 at sky.com

www.architecturalsolution.co.uk




On 16 Oct 2012, at 23:35, ashvin srivastava wrote:

Ram,
>You have to be kidding.  You mean that the ZX-9 at 1 7/8's can beat a calibrated Studer R2R at 30ips.
>
>
>On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Ram <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Yes I have. While the b215 has great sound it's a bit tinny to me. The zx9 is way way warmer and open. Even the studer decks IMHO are no match for the ZX9 or for that matter any high end Nak
>>
>>
>>Ram
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>On Oct 16, 2012, at 12:41 PM, ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Has anyone compared this unit (B215/B-215S to the ZX-9)?
>>>
>>>
>>>Revox B215 cassette deck: Fast on the draw, smooth on the ears
>>>By Al Fasoldt
>>>Copyright © 1986, The Syracuse Newspapers
>>>
>>>   The glamour boy in audio these days is the compact disc, with its digital signal offering stunning playback quality. But technology has not ignored the other compact recording medium, the audio cassette.
>>>   The latest advances in cassette technology make it clear that instead of being outstripped by digital techniques, analog cassette quality is striving to keep pace - and succeeding in many areas.
>>>   The best evidence of this comes both as hardware and as software" - recorders and recordings themselves.
>>>   For an example of the industry's best efforts in the design of cassette recorders, I asked the American branch of the Swiss firm Studer Revox to supply one of its new Revox B215 cassette decks. It is one of the most expensive ($1,400) and feature-laden decks on the market.
>>>   For a look at what the recording industry was doing to keep pace, I listened to two tapes from one of the pioneers in the audiophile recording business.
>>>   As befits a recorder from Revox, a company best known for its indestructible professional recorders, the B215 is large and very heavy. Like all top-quality recorders, the B215 has three heads - erase, record, and play - to permit off-the-tape monitoring while recording.
>>>   But the B215 also has a circuit that automatically adjusts the deck's internal controls to produce near-perfect results with any brand and type of tape.
>>>   Like most current cassette decks, the B215 has Dolby B and Dolby C noise reduction circuits to trim the level of hiss. But the Revox deck is rare in incorporating another circuit, Dolby HX Pro, which also cuts distortion.
>>>   The B215 has many other features worthy of note - including a circuit that automatically sets optimum recording levels, a real-time counter with two memory rewind locations, and fast-acting meters that show signal levels as accurately as anything a pro could afford.
>>>   But what impresses me the most is the B215's tape transport mechanism, mounted on its own heavy alloy chassis. To start with, instead of using one capstan to pull the tape past the heads, the Revox uses two, on each side of the heads. Each capstan is actually the extended shaft of a separate motor, and each reel hub works the same way. The head assembly pivots against a set of hydraulic shock absorbers that appear large enough to support a motorcycle.
>>>   The four direct-drive motors provide what is probably the best tape handling of any deck on the market, with amazingly fast tape shuttling in either direction.
>>>   All this would matter little if the deck could not record and play as well as it handles tape. In tests and subsequent listening sessions, I found the B215 to be unmatched in smooth frequency response, vanishingly low hiss levels and overall clarity of sound.
>>>   Direct comparisons with a $5,000 digital tape recorder showed the Revox to have more inherent noise and a slight roughness in some sounds, but few other differences were noted. There was no evidence at all of flutter, a common problem of most cassette decks.
>>>   The "software" I used to judge the playback abilities of the B215 are Dolby B metal-particle cassettes from Ultragroove, a California company that started out in the '70s as a firm that made direct-to-disc records. In fact, one of the two cassettes just released started out as a direct-disc record, although the cassette is being duplicated from a digital back-up tape that was made during the direct-disc recording session.
>>>   The direct-disc clone is one of Arthur Fiedler's last recordings, a Boston Pops rendition of two war-horses - Tchaikovsky's "Capriccio Italien" and Rimsky-Korsakov's "Capriccio Espagnol."
>>>   The digital master also showed up a few years back as a dbx-encoded super-high-quality tape from dbx Inc., and I used that version as a comparison. Amazingly, the Ultragroove tape, which doesn't have the help of the super-quiet sonics of the dbx version, is every bit as hiss-free.
>>>   The other Ultragroove tape is similarly reincarnated from a '70s release. It is "Diahann Carroll," a session made with the Duke Ellington Orchestra. If anything, the sound of the current Ultragroove cassette is superior to the carefully pressed disc version I first heard a decade ago.
>>>   Both Ultragroove tapes, which cost $15 each, show the potential of metal-particle tape, which is becoming cheap enough to permit its use by major duplicators - but they won't do so unless they believe that consumers care. It's likely that anyone who hears either of these two releases will care quite a lot.
>>>   For more information, contact:
>>>   Studer Revox America, 1425 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, Tenn. 37210.
>>>   Ultragroove, P.O. Box 838, Orinda, Calif. 94563.
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.
>>>> I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.
>>>> My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics.
>>>> Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26
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>>>> 
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From z_karapandzic at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 17 13:53:19 2012
From: z_karapandzic at yahoo.com (Zoran Karapandzic)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 04:53:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
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Dear All,
I made some listening tests a year ago, or so... Between all of my decks, I picked:
- Revox B215S (bought from the original owner)
- Nakamichi CR7 (the same)
- Braun C3
- Bang&Olufsen Beocord 9000
 
I expected that Revox B215S will be the best one... but here are the results in brief:
	* Braun C3 - suprisingly good deck, not in the highest class, but very, very good. Apparently, not in the league of other 3 decks (transparency, upper frequency detail etc.). Anyway, this machine is much better than Braun C4.
	* B&O Beocord 9000 - amazing machine. Mechanics is like from 70's, loud and with solenoids, just one motor, no double capstan, many idlers etc. and I dont like it. But the sound is top notch, this is the highest class deck. B215 and CR7 better it just for compatibility - cassette recorded on 9000 sounds a little bright on other decks.
	* Revox B215S - These machines (I had 3 of them) are amazing in serviceability terms: so smart design. The transport weight is 2.5 kg, it was made using 16 ton hidraulic press at Studer, as I remeber. Also, B215 is the only deck I know (and I had more than 160 different decks, just for fun) that doesn't mind if You put low quality rollers in it. The sound of B215 in neutral - what goes in, goes out. A true studio deck, much better that Tascam 122 Mk2/Mk3. Details are amazing, calibration works perfect (uses 17 kHz tones among others...).
	* Nak CR7 - it was the clear winner of the test, judging by my personal taste. If I would judge by neutral sound, the winner would be B215. But CR7 simply sounds better, with some coloration most people like. Microdetails, dynamic, 3D soundstage, sibilants etc. are all perfect. This is better machine than CR5, and not just by margin.
I have somewhere the complete test (although in Serbian, not English), I may try to find it and send You the link, if You are interested.
 
Beside these decks I was writing about (I gave Braun C3 as a gift to a friend), I also have Harman/Kardon CD491, Studer A721, Nak ZX9, 680ZX, 682ZX, 700, Teac Z6000, Marantz PD430, Tandberg 3004, Phase Linear 7000  etc. etc., although some of them have yet to be serviced to give their best.
 
Best regards,
Zoran Karapandzic
Belgrade, Serbia

________________________________
From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215

dear Bala, 

Okay, I agree,

NAKAMICHI can be  sushi,  if the  ZXL can  be the blow fish, 
But Revox would be prime boiled beef to me.
Okay ?  
BASF cassettes can be the sauerkraut, if you like.

best regards

Gerhard


Am 17.10.2012 um 03:17 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:
Hi Ashvin, 
>
>It is nice to read some older literature on equipment compared to the sparse advertisement we see for consumer equipment today. 
>
>It is really a sushi to sauerkraut comparison trying to compare the B215 and Nakamichi decks. I bought a well cared B215 from a first owner and made a few fine tapes with it. It is one of those rare decks where a manufacturer has taken reel to reel engineering and put into cassette technology. 
>
>The 215 has a cast frame with a four motor transport. It is a very well engineered deck, much better made then Japanese cassette decks. Precision and workmanship is top notch and performance is up there too. Sound-wise, it is the typical Revox sound which is clean, transparent and crisp. Because the deck was engineered with very different thoughts, it does sound way different compared to say a ZX-9. The metering seems pretty sparse on this deck, but seriously, even the ZX9 disappoints with its pithy LED dots and meters. I wish they had put the same meters they did with the B77 / PR99 units and peak record lamps which were a joy to use. 
>
>It is going to really come down to if you would like the sound of the Revox decks. There are people out there who like Revox decks more than Naks and it is a matter of personal taste. I decided to let my 215 go to a user who really liked it more than a Nak. I have to caution against calling it a “Dragon slayer or Nak killer”. It is NOT unless you feel it is. Rgds 
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:41 AM
>Subject: Re: FW: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
>
>Has anyone compared this unit (B215/B-215S to the ZX-9)? 
>
>
>Revox B215 cassette deck: Fast on the draw, smooth on the earsBy Al FasoldtCopyright © 1986, The Syracuse Newspapers
>   The glamour boy in audio these days is the compact disc, with its digital signal offering stunning playback quality. But technology has not ignored the other compact recording medium, the audio cassette.   The latest advances in cassette technology make it clear that instead of being outstripped by digital techniques, analog cassette quality is striving to keep pace - and succeeding in many areas.   The best evidence of this comes both as hardware and as software" - recorders and recordings themselves.   For an example of the industry's best efforts in the design of cassette recorders, I asked the American branch of the Swiss firm Studer Revox to supply one of its new Revox B215 cassette decks. It is one of the most expensive ($1,400) and feature-laden decks on the market.   For a look at what the recording industry was doing to keep pace, I listened to two tapes from one of the pioneers in the audiophile recording business.   As
 befits a recorder from Revox, a company best known for its indestructible professional recorders, the B215 is large and very heavy. Like all top-quality recorders, the B215 has three heads - erase, record, and play - to permit off-the-tape monitoring while recording.   But the B215 also has a circuit that automatically adjusts the deck's internal controls to produce near-perfect results with any brand and type of tape.   Like most current cassette decks, the B215 has Dolby B and Dolby C noise reduction circuits to trim the level of hiss. But the Revox deck is rare in incorporating another circuit, Dolby HX Pro, which also cuts distortion.   The B215 has many other features worthy of note - including a circuit that automatically sets optimum recording levels, a real-time counter with two memory rewind locations, and fast-acting meters that show signal levels as accurately as anything a pro could afford.   But what impresses me the most is the
 B215's tape transport mechanism, mounted on its own heavy alloy chassis. To start with, instead of using one capstan to pull the tape past the heads, the Revox uses two, on each side of the heads. Each capstan is actually the extended shaft of a separate motor, and each reel hub works the same way. The head assembly pivots against a set of hydraulic shock absorbers that appear large enough to support a motorcycle.   The four direct-drive motors provide what is probably the best tape handling of any deck on the market, with amazingly fast tape shuttling in either direction.   All this would matter little if the deck could not record and play as well as it handles tape. In tests and subsequent listening sessions, I found the B215 to be unmatched in smooth frequency response, vanishingly low hiss levels and overall clarity of sound.   Direct comparisons with a $5,000 digital tape recorder showed the Revox to have more inherent noise and a slight
 roughness in some sounds, but few other differences were noted. There was no evidence at all of flutter, a common problem of most cassette decks.   The "software" I used to judge the playback abilities of the B215 are Dolby B metal-particle cassettes from Ultragroove, a California company that started out in the '70s as a firm that made direct-to-disc records. In fact, one of the two cassettes just released started out as a direct-disc record, although the cassette is being duplicated from a digital back-up tape that was made during the direct-disc recording session.   The direct-disc clone is one of Arthur Fiedler's last recordings, a Boston Pops rendition of two war-horses - Tchaikovsky's "Capriccio Italien" and Rimsky-Korsakov's "Capriccio Espagnol."   The digital master also showed up a few years back as a dbx-encoded super-high-quality tape from dbx Inc., and I used that version as a comparison. Amazingly, the Ultragroove tape, which
 doesn't have the help of the super-quiet sonics of the dbx version, is every bit as hiss-free.   The other Ultragroove tape is similarly reincarnated from a '70s release. It is "Diahann Carroll," a session made with the Duke Ellington Orchestra. If anything, the sound of the current Ultragroove cassette is superior to the carefully pressed disc version I first heard a decade ago.   Both Ultragroove tapes, which cost $15 each, show the potential of metal-particle tape, which is becoming cheap enough to permit its use by major duplicators - but they won't do so unless they believe that consumers care. It's likely that anyone who hears either of these two releases will care quite a lot.   For more information, contact:   Studer Revox America, 1425 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, Tenn. 37210.   Ultragroove, P.O. Box 838, Orinda, Calif. 94563.  
>On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk. I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better. My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics. Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.  
>> 
>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26
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From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 06:34:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Snake oil
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Be very careful with this one. I had a similar experience with an 'Old Country' tech in Utah, making similar promises & claims with a big ebay ad. I paid for the service up front, waited for over 8 months and had to start a claim to initiate any response from him. It was a Pioneer deck and it came back 'working' but had not been aligned or calibrated-which caused me to send it out to another tech for completion.  Looking at the tech's feedback below, his comments are usually from sellers, not buyers happy with his service. He may be legit, but you need to talk with real, satisfied customers that used his service-here, preferably. 




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On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:
 
 I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.
 I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. 
The more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.
 My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics.
 Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are 
very high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground 
yesterday and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.
  
  
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From icmllc at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 16:00:10 2012
From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin Srivastava)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:00:10 -0500
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
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As Tony Soprano told his Uncle the Don whilst playing golf......
"So you like sushi, do you..."
He almost got "clipped"  for that

Ashvin

On Oct 17, 2012, at 2:23 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:

> dear Bala,
> 
> Okay, I agree,
> 
> NAKAMICHI can be  sushi,  if the  ZXL can  be the blow fish, 
> But Revox would be prime boiled beef to me.
> Okay ?  
> BASF cassettes can be the sauerkraut, if you like.
> 
> best regards
> 
> Gerhard
> 
> 
> Am 17.10.2012 um 03:17 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:
> 
>> Hi Ashvin,
>>  
>> It is nice to read some older literature on equipment compared to the sparse advertisement we see for consumer equipment today.
>>  
>> It is really a sushi to sauerkraut comparison trying to compare the B215 and Nakamichi decks. I bought a well cared B215 from a first owner and made a few fine tapes with it. It is one of those rare decks where a manufacturer has taken reel to reel engineering and put into cassette technology.
>>  
>> The 215 has a cast frame with a four motor transport. It is a very well engineered deck, much better made then Japanese cassette decks. Precision and workmanship is top notch and performance is up there too. Sound-wise, it is the typical Revox sound which is clean, transparent and crisp. Because the deck was engineered with very different thoughts, it does sound way different compared to say a ZX-9. The metering seems pretty sparse on this deck, but seriously, even the ZX9 disappoints with its pithy LED dots and meters. I wish they had put the same meters they did with the B77 / PR99 units and peak record lamps which were a joy to use.
>>  
>> It is going to really come down to if you would like the sound of the Revox decks. There are people out there who like Revox decks more than Naks and it is a matter of personal taste. I decided to let my 215 go to a user who really liked it more than a Nak. I have to caution against calling it a “Dragon slayer or Nak killer”. It is NOT unless you feel it is.
>> Rgds
>> 
>> From: ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com>
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: FW: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
>> 
>> Has anyone compared this unit (B215/B-215S to the ZX-9)?
>> 
>> Revox B215 cassette deck: Fast on the draw, smooth on the ears
>> 
>> 
>> By Al Fasoldt
>> Copyright © 1986, The Syracuse Newspapers
>> 
>>    The glamour boy in audio these days is the compact disc, with its digital signal offering stunning playback quality. But technology has not ignored the other compact recording medium, the audio cassette.
>>    The latest advances in cassette technology make it clear that instead of being outstripped by digital techniques, analog cassette quality is striving to keep pace - and succeeding in many areas.
>>    The best evidence of this comes both as hardware and as software" - recorders and recordings themselves.
>>    For an example of the industry's best efforts in the design of cassette recorders, I asked the American branch of the Swiss firm Studer Revox to supply one of its new Revox B215 cassette decks. It is one of the most expensive ($1,400) and feature-laden decks on the market.
>>    For a look at what the recording industry was doing to keep pace, I listened to two tapes from one of the pioneers in the audiophile recording business.
>>    As befits a recorder from Revox, a company best known for its indestructible professional recorders, the B215 is large and very heavy. Like all top-quality recorders, the B215 has three heads - erase, record, and play - to permit off-the-tape monitoring while recording.
>>    But the B215 also has a circuit that automatically adjusts the deck's internal controls to produce near-perfect results with any brand and type of tape.
>>    Like most current cassette decks, the B215 has Dolby B and Dolby C noise reduction circuits to trim the level of hiss. But the Revox deck is rare in incorporating another circuit, Dolby HX Pro, which also cuts distortion.
>>    The B215 has many other features worthy of note - including a circuit that automatically sets optimum recording levels, a real-time counter with two memory rewind locations, and fast-acting meters that show signal levels as accurately as anything a pro could afford.
>>    But what impresses me the most is the B215's tape transport mechanism, mounted on its own heavy alloy chassis. To start with, instead of using one capstan to pull the tape past the heads, the Revox uses two, on each side of the heads. Each capstan is actually the extended shaft of a separate motor, and each reel hub works the same way. The head assembly pivots against a set of hydraulic shock absorbers that appear large enough to support a motorcycle.
>>    The four direct-drive motors provide what is probably the best tape handling of any deck on the market, with amazingly fast tape shuttling in either direction.
>>    All this would matter little if the deck could not record and play as well as it handles tape. In tests and subsequent listening sessions, I found the B215 to be unmatched in smooth frequency response, vanishingly low hiss levels and overall clarity of sound.
>>    Direct comparisons with a $5,000 digital tape recorder showed the Revox to have more inherent noise and a slight roughness in some sounds, but few other differences were noted. There was no evidence at all of flutter, a common problem of most cassette decks.
>>    The "software" I used to judge the playback abilities of the B215 are Dolby B metal-particle cassettes from Ultragroove, a California company that started out in the '70s as a firm that made direct-to-disc records. In fact, one of the two cassettes just released started out as a direct-disc record, although the cassette is being duplicated from a digital back-up tape that was made during the direct-disc recording session.
>>    The direct-disc clone is one of Arthur Fiedler's last recordings, a Boston Pops rendition of two war-horses - Tchaikovsky's "Capriccio Italien" and Rimsky-Korsakov's "Capriccio Espagnol."
>>    The digital master also showed up a few years back as a dbx-encoded super-high-quality tape from dbx Inc., and I used that version as a comparison. Amazingly, the Ultragroove tape, which doesn't have the help of the super-quiet sonics of the dbx version, is every bit as hiss-free.
>>    The other Ultragroove tape is similarly reincarnated from a '70s release. It is "Diahann Carroll," a session made with the Duke Ellington Orchestra. If anything, the sound of the current Ultragroove cassette is superior to the carefully pressed disc version I first heard a decade ago.
>>    Both Ultragroove tapes, which cost $15 each, show the potential of metal-particle tape, which is becoming cheap enough to permit its use by major duplicators - but they won't do so unless they believe that consumers care. It's likely that anyone who hears either of these two releases will care quite a lot.
>>    For more information, contact:
>>    Studer Revox America, 1425 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, Tenn. 37210.
>>    Ultragroove, P.O. Box 838, Orinda, Calif. 94563.
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.
>>  I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.
>>  My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics.
>>  Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.
>>  
>>  
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26
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>>  
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From icmllc at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 17:17:39 2012
From: icmllc at gmail.com (ashvin srivastava)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:17:39 -0500
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
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Shanti,

Sorry, my mistake.  I must tell you, my tryst with cassettes began as a
means of convenience and the fact that my family would never permit my
taking the Revox/Ferrograph (7 logic) reels or others out to the field in
trains and other rough transportation.

This takes me back...........winter of 1983 Varanasi, India.  3 days of
concerts.  Amazing music, amazing recordings.  I lived in Bombay and the
concerts were fantastic. All AKG dynamic mics.  Could not convince my dad
to buy Neuman U47's.  I would rotate between Tascam, Sony and a Teac unit.
 Had not heard of "Jazz at the Pawn Shop" then, I think that was done on a
Studer mixer and Nagra IV. (so much for Swiss preamp technology and Swiss
banks........)

I have included two pictures.  I simple cassette set-up for live recording.
The second picture some of you may recognize, Ustad Bismillah Khan, Dr. N
Rajam (Hindustani Violin) and her daughter Sangeeta (Violin)

Regards

Ashvin




On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:15 AM, shanti ramachandran <
shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Asvin,
>
> Lets compare apples to apples. When I stated Studers, I meant their
> cassette decks. So no kidding bro. Yeah what I
> meant was ALL STUDER cassette decks.
> Peace.
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2012 6:35 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
>
> Ram,
> You have to be kidding.  You mean that the ZX-9 at 1 7/8's can beat a
> calibrated Studer R2R at 30ips.
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Ram <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Yes I have. While the b215 has great sound it's a bit tinny to me. The zx9
> is way way warmer and open. Even the studer decks IMHO are no match for the
> ZX9 or for that matter any high end Nak
>
> Ram
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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From chapman.w2 at sky.com  Wed Oct 17 18:21:11 2012
From: chapman.w2 at sky.com (John Chapman)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:21:11 +0100
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
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Yes I am 

- I did not read your post properly - I read Studer as Studer, and thought you were talking about R to R not revox cassettes. 

Old Willy built some wonderful decks. There was a time not long ago when you could pick up an A80 for peanuts. Indeed I have seen a cassette mech bolted onto one of these, so Herr Studer did lend his name to cassette. I'd like to know about those.


Regards

John Chapman

01872 865505
07740 565255

chapman.w2 at sky.com

www.architecturalsolution.co.uk




On 17 Oct 2012, at 15:26, shanti ramachandran wrote:

> John,
> 
> Don't you think you are also getting ahead of yourself by comparing apples and oranges? My intent was to compare these manufacturer's cassette iterations. Not rtr or other formats.
> 
> Peace.
> 
> Ram.
> From: John Chapman <chapman.w2 at sky.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:33 AM
> Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
> 
> Hmmmmm!
> 
> I agree! That is some claim
> 
> I have a ZX7 which I love and a Bx300 but neither quite compare with my Akai GX635 for solidity of bass, general security of sound. The older Akai GX630 was even better. It had motors that would pull a car out of a ditch! Noise floor is maybe neck and neck. Hi Fi World conducted a comparison between an AKai GX625 and a CR7 and confirmed similar conclusions at 7.5 ips. Good R to R has a spacial quality that is hard to match on live recordings.
> 
> I have conducted simultaneous recordings from the GX635 and ZX7 and there is no question which is best, never mind a Studer at 30 ips.
> 
> I had a Revox 710 and agree about build quality, but somewhat mechanical sound. But for the cost of tape, I'd uses the Akai every time.
> 
> Regards
> 
> John Chapman
> 
> 01872 865505
> 07740 565255
> 
> chapman.w2 at sky.com
> 
> www.architecturalsolution.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 16 Oct 2012, at 23:35, ashvin srivastava wrote:
> 
>> Ram,
>> You have to be kidding.  You mean that the ZX-9 at 1 7/8's can beat a calibrated Studer R2R at 30ips.
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Ram <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Yes I have. While the b215 has great sound it's a bit tinny to me. The zx9 is way way warmer and open. Even the studer decks IMHO are no match for the ZX9 or for that matter any high end Nak
>> 
>> Ram
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2012, at 12:41 PM, ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Has anyone compared this unit (B215/B-215S to the ZX-9)?
>>> 
>>> Revox B215 cassette deck: Fast on the draw, smooth on the ears
>>> 
>>> 
>>> By Al Fasoldt
>>> Copyright © 1986, The Syracuse Newspapers
>>> 
>>>    The glamour boy in audio these days is the compact disc, with its digital signal offering stunning playback quality. But technology has not ignored the other compact recording medium, the audio cassette.
>>>    The latest advances in cassette technology make it clear that instead of being outstripped by digital techniques, analog cassette quality is striving to keep pace - and succeeding in many areas.
>>>    The best evidence of this comes both as hardware and as software" - recorders and recordings themselves.
>>>    For an example of the industry's best efforts in the design of cassette recorders, I asked the American branch of the Swiss firm Studer Revox to supply one of its new Revox B215 cassette decks. It is one of the most expensive ($1,400) and feature-laden decks on the market.
>>>    For a look at what the recording industry was doing to keep pace, I listened to two tapes from one of the pioneers in the audiophile recording business.
>>>    As befits a recorder from Revox, a company best known for its indestructible professional recorders, the B215 is large and very heavy. Like all top-quality recorders, the B215 has three heads - erase, record, and play - to permit off-the-tape monitoring while recording.
>>>    But the B215 also has a circuit that automatically adjusts the deck's internal controls to produce near-perfect results with any brand and type of tape.
>>>    Like most current cassette decks, the B215 has Dolby B and Dolby C noise reduction circuits to trim the level of hiss. But the Revox deck is rare in incorporating another circuit, Dolby HX Pro, which also cuts distortion.
>>>    The B215 has many other features worthy of note - including a circuit that automatically sets optimum recording levels, a real-time counter with two memory rewind locations, and fast-acting meters that show signal levels as accurately as anything a pro could afford.
>>>    But what impresses me the most is the B215's tape transport mechanism, mounted on its own heavy alloy chassis. To start with, instead of using one capstan to pull the tape past the heads, the Revox uses two, on each side of the heads. Each capstan is actually the extended shaft of a separate motor, and each reel hub works the same way. The head assembly pivots against a set of hydraulic shock absorbers that appear large enough to support a motorcycle.
>>>    The four direct-drive motors provide what is probably the best tape handling of any deck on the market, with amazingly fast tape shuttling in either direction.
>>>    All this would matter little if the deck could not record and play as well as it handles tape. In tests and subsequent listening sessions, I found the B215 to be unmatched in smooth frequency response, vanishingly low hiss levels and overall clarity of sound.
>>>    Direct comparisons with a $5,000 digital tape recorder showed the Revox to have more inherent noise and a slight roughness in some sounds, but few other differences were noted. There was no evidence at all of flutter, a common problem of most cassette decks.
>>>    The "software" I used to judge the playback abilities of the B215 are Dolby B metal-particle cassettes from Ultragroove, a California company that started out in the '70s as a firm that made direct-to-disc records. In fact, one of the two cassettes just released started out as a direct-disc record, although the cassette is being duplicated from a digital back-up tape that was made during the direct-disc recording session.
>>>    The direct-disc clone is one of Arthur Fiedler's last recordings, a Boston Pops rendition of two war-horses - Tchaikovsky's "Capriccio Italien" and Rimsky-Korsakov's "Capriccio Espagnol."
>>>    The digital master also showed up a few years back as a dbx-encoded super-high-quality tape from dbx Inc., and I used that version as a comparison. Amazingly, the Ultragroove tape, which doesn't have the help of the super-quiet sonics of the dbx version, is every bit as hiss-free.
>>>    The other Ultragroove tape is similarly reincarnated from a '70s release. It is "Diahann Carroll," a session made with the Duke Ellington Orchestra. If anything, the sound of the current Ultragroove cassette is superior to the carefully pressed disc version I first heard a decade ago.
>>>    Both Ultragroove tapes, which cost $15 each, show the potential of metal-particle tape, which is becoming cheap enough to permit its use by major duplicators - but they won't do so unless they believe that consumers care. It's likely that anyone who hears either of these two releases will care quite a lot.
>>>    For more information, contact:
>>>    Studer Revox America, 1425 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, Tenn. 37210.
>>>    Ultragroove, P.O. Box 838, Orinda, Calif. 94563.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.
>>>  I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.
>>>  My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics.
>>>  Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26
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>>> 
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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Wed Oct 17 19:25:41 2012
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:25:41 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Snake oil
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Kevin, Is this guy still around? I remember seeing his ads locally in SLC,
UT 

I had a few customers that may have used him as well. I never heard back
from them about the service. 

 

Vic

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Kevin Fetner
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:34 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Snake oil

 

Be very careful with this one. I had a similar experience with an 'Old
Country' tech in Utah, making similar promises & claims with a big ebay ad.
I paid for the service up front, waited for over 8 months and had to start a
claim to initiate any response from him. It was a Pioneer deck and it came
back 'working' but had not been aligned or calibrated-which caused me to
send it out to another tech for completion.  Looking at the tech's feedback
below, his comments are usually from sellers, not buyers happy with his
service. He may be legit, but you need to talk with real, satisfied
customers that used his service-here, preferably. 

 

  _____  

 

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:
 
 I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.
 I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The
more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.
 My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in Phoenix,
AZ to service any vintage electronics.
 Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very
high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday
and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.
  
  
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Serv
ice-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Ser
vice-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555
001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pi
d%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26>
&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 17 21:25:03 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:25:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
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No issue Asvin. We all tend at times to get ahead of ourselves due to our passion with these machines.

Sincerely,

Ram.




________________________________
 From: ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com>
To: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
 

Shanti,


Sorry, my mistake.  I must tell you, my tryst with cassettes began as a means of convenience and the fact that my family would never permit my taking the Revox/Ferrograph (7 logic) reels or others out to the field in trains and other rough transportation.

This takes me back...........winter of 1983 Varanasi, India.  3 days of concerts.  Amazing music, amazing recordings.  I lived in Bombay and the concerts were fantastic. All AKG dynamic mics.  Could not convince my dad to buy Neuman U47's.  I would rotate between Tascam, Sony and a Teac unit.  Had not heard of "Jazz at the Pawn Shop" then, I think that was done on a Studer mixer and Nagra IV. (so much for Swiss preamp technology and Swiss banks........)

I have included two pictures.  I simple cassette set-up for live recording. The second picture some of you may recognize, Ustad Bismillah Khan, Dr. N Rajam (Hindustani Violin) and her daughter Sangeeta (Violin)

Regards

Ashvin





On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:15 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Asvin,
>
>
>Lets compare apples to apples. When I stated Studers, I meant their cassette decks. So no kidding bro. Yeah what I 
>meant was ALL STUDER cassette decks. 
>Peace.
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 6:35 PM
>Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
> 
>
>
>Ram,
>You have to be kidding.  You mean that the ZX-9 at 1 7/8's can beat a calibrated Studer R2R at 30ips.
>
>
>On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Ram <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Yes I have. While the b215 has great sound it's a bit tinny to me. The zx9 is way way warmer and open. Even the studer decks IMHO are no match for the ZX9 or for that matter any high end Nak
>>
>>
>>Ram
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 17 21:40:31 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 05:40:31 +1000
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
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Quite beautifully summed up! We have to really try the decks to see which one really suits our ears. 

While Nakamichi made quite a number of models for different listening tastes ( and pockets), it had that underlying sound that was undoubtedly Nak. 

Revox sound is similar to that although they didn't try to make various models and simply made their products the way they thought it should be. Their reel to reel also sound the same way although I love my PR99s. Even my Swiss made FM Acoustics sounded dry and very Swiss like (and I never liked it). 

Rgds 

Sent from my iPhone

On 17/10/2012, at 9:53 PM, Zoran Karapandzic <z_karapandzic at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear All,
> I made some listening tests a year ago, or so... Between all of my decks, I picked:
> - Revox B215S (bought from the original owner)
> - Nakamichi CR7 (the same)
> - Braun C3
> - Bang&Olufsen Beocord 9000
>  
> I expected that Revox B215S will be the best one... but here are the results in brief:
> Braun C3 - suprisingly good deck, not in the highest class, but very, very good. Apparently, not in the league of other 3 decks (transparency, upper frequency detail etc.). Anyway, this machine is much better than Braun C4.
> B&O Beocord 9000 - amazing machine. Mechanics is like from 70's, loud and with solenoids, just one motor, no double capstan, many idlers etc. and I dont like it. But the sound is top notch, this is the highest class deck. B215 and CR7 better it just for compatibility - cassette recorded on 9000 sounds a little bright on other decks.
> Revox B215S - These machines (I had 3 of them) are amazing in serviceability terms: so smart design. The transport weight is 2.5 kg, it was made using 16 ton hidraulic press at Studer, as I remeber. Also, B215 is the only deck I know (and I had more than 160 different decks, just for fun) that doesn't mind if You put low quality rollers in it. The sound of B215 in neutral - what goes in, goes out. A true studio deck, much better that Tascam 122 Mk2/Mk3. Details are amazing, calibration works perfect (uses 17 kHz tones among others...).
> Nak CR7 - it was the clear winner of the test, judging by my personal taste. If I would judge by neutral sound, the winner would be B215. But CR7 simply sounds better, with some coloration most people like. Microdetails, dynamic, 3D soundstage, sibilants etc. are all perfect. This is better machine than CR5, and not just by margin.
> I have somewhere the complete test (although in Serbian, not English), I may try to find it and send You the link, if You are interested.
>  
> Beside these decks I was writing about (I gave Braun C3 as a gift to a friend), I also have Harman/Kardon CD491, Studer A721, Nak ZX9, 680ZX, 682ZX, 700, Teac Z6000, Marantz PD430, Tandberg 3004, Phase Linear 7000  etc. etc., although some of them have yet to be serviced to give their best.
>  
> Best regards,
> Zoran Karapandzic
> Belgrade, Serbia
> From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
> To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:23 AM
> Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
> dear Bala,
> 
> Okay, I agree,
> 
> NAKAMICHI can be  sushi,  if the  ZXL can  be the blow fish, 
> But Revox would be prime boiled beef to me.
> Okay ?  
> BASF cassettes can be the sauerkraut, if you like.
> 
> best regards
> 
> Gerhard
> 
> 
> Am 17.10.2012 um 03:17 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:
>> Hi Ashvin,
>>  
>> It is nice to read some older literature on equipment compared to the sparse advertisement we see for consumer equipment today.
>>  
>> It is really a sushi to sauerkraut comparison trying to compare the B215 and Nakamichi decks. I bought a well cared B215 from a first owner and made a few fine tapes with it. It is one of those rare decks where a manufacturer has taken reel to reel engineering and put into cassette technology.
>>  
>> The 215 has a cast frame with a four motor transport. It is a very well engineered deck, much better made then Japanese cassette decks. Precision and workmanship is top notch and performance is up there too. Sound-wise, it is the typical Revox sound which is clean, transparent and crisp. Because the deck was engineered with very different thoughts, it does sound way different compared to say a ZX-9. The metering seems pretty sparse on this deck, but seriously, even the ZX9 disappoints with its pithy LED dots and meters. I wish they had put the same meters they did with the B77 / PR99 units and peak record lamps which were a joy to use.
>>  
>> It is going to really come down to if you would like the sound of the Revox decks. There are people out there who like Revox decks more than Naks and it is a matter of personal taste. I decided to let my 215 go to a user who really liked it more than a Nak. I have to caution against calling it a “Dragon slayer or Nak killer”. It is NOT unless you feel it is.
>> Rgds
>> 
>> From: ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com>
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: FW: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
>> Has anyone compared this unit (B215/B-215S to the ZX-9)?
>> 
>> Revox B215 cassette deck: Fast on the draw, smooth on the ears
>> 
>> By Al FasoldtCopyright © 1986, The Syracuse Newspapers
>>    The glamour boy in audio these days is the compact disc, with its digital signal offering stunning playback quality. But technology has not ignored the other compact recording medium, the audio cassette.   The latest advances in cassette technology make it clear that instead of being outstripped by digital techniques, analog cassette quality is striving to keep pace - and succeeding in many areas.   The best evidence of this comes both as hardware and as software" - recorders and recordings themselves.   For an example of the industry's best efforts in the design of cassette recorders, I asked the American branch of the Swiss firm Studer Revox to supply one of its new Revox B215 cassette decks. It is one of the most expensive ($1,400) and feature-laden decks on the market.   For a look at what the recording industry was doing to keep pace, I listened to two tapes from one of the pioneers in the audiophile recording business.   As befits a recorder from Revox, a company best known for its indestructible professional recorders, the B215 is large and very heavy. Like all top-quality recorders, the B215 has three heads - erase, record, and play - to permit off-the-tape monitoring while recording.   But the B215 also has a circuit that automatically adjusts the deck's internal controls to produce near-perfect results with any brand and type of tape.   Like most current cassette decks, the B215 has Dolby B and Dolby C noise reduction circuits to trim the level of hiss. But the Revox deck is rare in incorporating another circuit, Dolby HX Pro, which also cuts distortion.   The B215 has many other features worthy of note - including a circuit that automatically sets optimum recording levels, a real-time counter with two memory rewind locations, and fast-acting meters that show signal levels as accurately as anything a pro could afford.   But what impresses me the most is the B215's tape transport mechanism, mounted on its own heavy alloy chassis. To start with, instead of using one capstan to pull the tape past the heads, the Revox uses two, on each side of the heads. Each capstan is actually the extended shaft of a separate motor, and each reel hub works the same way. The head assembly pivots against a set of hydraulic shock absorbers that appear large enough to support a motorcycle.   The four direct-drive motors provide what is probably the best tape handling of any deck on the market, with amazingly fast tape shuttling in either direction.   All this would matter little if the deck could not record and play as well as it handles tape. In tests and subsequent listening sessions, I found the B215 to be unmatched in smooth frequency response, vanishingly low hiss levels and overall clarity of sound.   Direct comparisons with a $5,000 digital tape recorder showed the Revox to have more inherent noise and a slight roughness in some
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From francis.morrin at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 21:04:23 2012
From: francis.morrin at gmail.com (Fran Morrin)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:04:23 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
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I have a nak DR3 with this same problem. Is there a fix or maybe a
replacement motor available?

Fran
On Oct 17, 2012 4:23 PM, "shanti ramachandran" <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> If its a DR2, the most likely cause is a dead spot reel motor. These
> motors have been notorious.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Ram.
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* s b <noneyhoney at hotmail.com>
> *To:* "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:47 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
>
>  @ Pieter, well the belt seems fine and its not slipping so Im not sure
> the belt is the cause.
> @ Ram, Salvatore, you have a point there and perhaps one that needs to be
> looked at as well. The deck was inactive for a few months till i changed
> the belt and I'd hate to think the motor has dead spots already considering
> its a DR2 ('90s make) and fairly unused.
> Ill try to adjust the torque and see if that helps, or running a few other
> tapes and see.
> Thank you all, will report on this.
>
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From azawodny at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 17 22:01:50 2012
From: azawodny at hotmail.com (Art Zawodny)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 16:01:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RX202 for parts
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I have a non working RX 202. If anyone is in need of a "donor" machine to 
keep theirs going please let me know. I disassembled it thinking it just 
needed a belt but this version doesn't use that belt.  Will not play or 
FF/RW tapes.

 Not paying $700 to have it refurbed as I never listen to cassettes anymore. 
Also have the original manual and sales brochure. 



From francis.morrin at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 22:11:51 2012
From: francis.morrin at gmail.com (Fran Morrin)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:11:51 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
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Thanks Ram,


I wonder if there is a quick fix available - if I disassembled the motor
and used a lathe to skim the contact poles?


Fran

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:18 PM, shanti ramachandran <
shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> If its a DR2, the most likely cause is a dead spot reel motor. These
> motors have been notorious.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Ram.
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* s b <noneyhoney at hotmail.com>
> *To:* "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:47 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
>
>  @ Pieter, well the belt seems fine and its not slipping so Im not sure
> the belt is the cause.
> @ Ram, Salvatore, you have a point there and perhaps one that needs to be
> looked at as well. The deck was inactive for a few months till i changed
> the belt and I'd hate to think the motor has dead spots already considering
> its a DR2 ('90s make) and fairly unused.
> Ill try to adjust the torque and see if that helps, or running a few other
> tapes and see.
> Thank you all, will report on this.
>
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From icmllc at gmail.com  Thu Oct 18 01:17:14 2012
From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin Srivastava)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:17:14 -0500
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
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Zoran,
You are far more advanced than me but I have gone through this with tube vs SS, british speakers vs american,
Cables (oxygen vs non, solid core etc)

How do you perform the test. I mean what are the specifics.
(When my wife shouts at me the Rogers sound extra sweet....)
Ashvin

On Oct 17, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Zoran Karapandzic <z_karapandzic at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear All,
> I made some listening tests a year ago, or so... Between all of my decks, I picked:
> - Revox B215S (bought from the original owner)
> - Nakamichi CR7 (the same)
> - Braun C3
> - Bang&Olufsen Beocord 9000
>  
> I expected that Revox B215S will be the best one... but here are the results in brief:
> Braun C3 - suprisingly good deck, not in the highest class, but very, very good. Apparently, not in the league of other 3 decks (transparency, upper frequency detail etc.). Anyway, this machine is much better than Braun C4.
> B&O Beocord 9000 - amazing machine. Mechanics is like from 70's, loud and with solenoids, just one motor, no double capstan, many idlers etc. and I dont like it. But the sound is top notch, this is the highest class deck. B215 and CR7 better it just for compatibility - cassette recorded on 9000 sounds a little bright on other decks.
> Revox B215S - These machines (I had 3 of them) are amazing in serviceability terms: so smart design. The transport weight is 2.5 kg, it was made using 16 ton hidraulic press at Studer, as I remeber. Also, B215 is the only deck I know (and I had more than 160 different decks, just for fun) that doesn't mind if You put low quality rollers in it. The sound of B215 in neutral - what goes in, goes out. A true studio deck, much better that Tascam 122 Mk2/Mk3. Details are amazing, calibration works perfect (uses 17 kHz tones among others...).
> Nak CR7 - it was the clear winner of the test, judging by my personal taste. If I would judge by neutral sound, the winner would be B215. But CR7 simply sounds better, with some coloration most people like. Microdetails, dynamic, 3D soundstage, sibilants etc. are all perfect. This is better machine than CR5, and not just by margin.
> I have somewhere the complete test (although in Serbian, not English), I may try to find it and send You the link, if You are interested.
>  
> Beside these decks I was writing about (I gave Braun C3 as a gift to a friend), I also have Harman/Kardon CD491, Studer A721, Nak ZX9, 680ZX, 682ZX, 700, Teac Z6000, Marantz PD430, Tandberg 3004, Phase Linear 7000  etc. etc., although some of them have yet to be serviced to give their best.
>  
> Best regards,
> Zoran Karapandzic
> Belgrade, Serbia
> From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
> To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:23 AM
> Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
> dear Bala,
> 
> Okay, I agree,
> 
> NAKAMICHI can be  sushi,  if the  ZXL can  be the blow fish, 
> But Revox would be prime boiled beef to me.
> Okay ?  
> BASF cassettes can be the sauerkraut, if you like.
> 
> best regards
> 
> Gerhard
> 
> 
> Am 17.10.2012 um 03:17 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:
>> Hi Ashvin,
>>  
>> It is nice to read some older literature on equipment compared to the sparse advertisement we see for consumer equipment today.
>>  
>> It is really a sushi to sauerkraut comparison trying to compare the B215 and Nakamichi decks. I bought a well cared B215 from a first owner and made a few fine tapes with it. It is one of those rare decks where a manufacturer has taken reel to reel engineering and put into cassette technology.
>>  
>> The 215 has a cast frame with a four motor transport. It is a very well engineered deck, much better made then Japanese cassette decks. Precision and workmanship is top notch and performance is up there too. Sound-wise, it is the typical Revox sound which is clean, transparent and crisp. Because the deck was engineered with very different thoughts, it does sound way different compared to say a ZX-9. The metering seems pretty sparse on this deck, but seriously, even the ZX9 disappoints with its pithy LED dots and meters. I wish they had put the same meters they did with the B77 / PR99 units and peak record lamps which were a joy to use.
>>  
>> It is going to really come down to if you would like the sound of the Revox decks. There are people out there who like Revox decks more than Naks and it is a matter of personal taste. I decided to let my 215 go to a user who really liked it more than a Nak. I have to caution against calling it a “Dragon slayer or Nak killer”. It is NOT unless you feel it is.
>> Rgds
>> 
>> From: ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com>
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: FW: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
>> Has anyone compared this unit (B215/B-215S to the ZX-9)?
>> 
>> Revox B215 cassette deck: Fast on the draw, smooth on the ears
>> 
>> By Al FasoldtCopyright © 1986, The Syracuse Newspapers
>>    The glamour boy in audio these days is the compact disc, with its digital signal offering stunning playback quality. But technology has not ignored the other compact recording medium, the audio cassette.   The latest advances in cassette technology make it clear that instead of being outstripped by digital techniques, analog cassette quality is striving to keep pace - and succeeding in many areas.   The best evidence of this comes both as hardware and as software" - recorders and recordings themselves.   For an example of the industry's best efforts in the design of cassette recorders, I asked the American branch of the Swiss firm Studer Revox to supply one of its new Revox B215 cassette decks. It is one of the most expensive ($1,400) and feature-laden decks on the market.   For a look at what the recording industry was doing to keep pace, I listened to two tapes from one of the pioneers in the audiophile recording business.   As befits a recorder from Revox, a company best known for its indestructible professional recorders, the B215 is large and very heavy. Like all top-quality recorders, the B215 has three heads - erase, record, and play - to permit off-the-tape monitoring while recording.   But the B215 also has a circuit that automatically adjusts the deck's internal controls to produce near-perfect results with any brand and type of tape.   Like most current cassette decks, the B215 has Dolby B and Dolby C noise reduction circuits to trim the level of hiss. But the Revox deck is rare in incorporating another circuit, Dolby HX Pro, which also cuts distortion.   The B215 has many other features worthy of note - including a circuit that automatically sets optimum recording levels, a real-time counter with two memory rewind locations, and fast-acting meters that show signal levels as accurately as anything a pro could afford.   But what impresses me the most is the B215's tape transport mechanism, mounted on its own heavy alloy chassis. To start with, instead of using one capstan to pull the tape past the heads, the Revox uses two, on each side of the heads. Each capstan is actually the extended shaft of a separate motor, and each reel hub works the same way. The head assembly pivots against a set of hydraulic shock absorbers that appear large enough to support a motorcycle.   The four direct-drive motors provide what is probably the best tape handling of any deck on the market, with amazingly fast tape shuttling in either direction.   All this would matter little if the deck could not record and play as well as it handles tape. In tests and subsequent listening sessions, I found the B215 to be unmatched in smooth frequency response, vanishingly low hiss levels and overall clarity of sound.   Direct comparisons with a $5,000 digital tape recorder showed the Revox to have more inherent noise and a slight roughness in some sounds, but few other differences were noted. There was no evidence at all of flutter, a common problem of most cassette decks.   The "software" I used to judge the playback abilities of the B215 are Dolby B metal-particle cassettes from Ultragroove, a California company that started out in the '70s as a firm that made direct-to-disc records. In fact, one of the two cassettes just released started out as a direct-disc record, although the cassette is being duplicated from a digital back-up tape that was made during the direct-disc recording session.   The direct-disc clone is one of Arthur Fiedler's last recordings, a Boston Pops rendition of two war-horses - Tchaikovsky's "Capriccio Italien" and Rimsky-Korsakov's "Capriccio Espagnol."   The digital master also showed up a few years back as a dbx-encoded super-high-quality tape from dbx Inc., and I used that version as a comparison. Amazingly, the Ultragroove tape, which doesn't have the help of the super-quiet sonics of the dbx version, is every bit as hiss-free.   The other Ultragroove tape is similarly reincarnated from a '70s release. It is "Diahann Carroll," a session made with the Duke Ellington Orchestra. If anything, the sound of the current Ultragroove cassette is superior to the carefully pressed disc version I first heard a decade ago.   Both Ultragroove tapes, which cost $15 each, show the potential of metal-particle tape, which is becoming cheap enough to permit its use by major duplicators - but they won't do so unless they believe that consumers care. It's likely that anyone who hears either of these two releases will care quite a lot.   For more information, contact:   Studer Revox America, 1425 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, Tenn. 37210.   Ultragroove, P.O. Box 838, Orinda, Calif. 94563. 
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>  I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk. I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better. My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics. Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24. 
>>  
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26
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>>  
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From z_karapandzic at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 18 09:08:24 2012
From: z_karapandzic at yahoo.com (Zoran Karapandzic)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 00:08:24 -0700 (PDT)
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Dear Ashvin,
I forgot to mention that long time ago I also compared Teac Z6000 (which I still have) to Nakamichi Dragon. My other audio equipment was not top of the notch at that time (Meridian 101/105 preamp/combo, some hand made speakers from well known Serbian constructor, Revox B790 turntable, Sony 333ES/Audio Alchemy 1.1 DAC etc.). I couldn't decide which one is better by sound - both were extremly good. Teac had better build quality, but Dragon had better compatibility with tapes recorded on other decks (very precise auto azimuth, of course...). So, maybe the Dragon would be better by a very small margin. But reliability is on Z6000 side. There is also one beutiful deck You should try to hear if You haven't yet - Marantz SD930, with much more clever auto azimuth system than Dragon (piezo crystal in the head, special electronics etc.).
 
When I performed the test I wrote about in my previous post, I was using the following equipment:
	* Lyngdorf CD1 - beautiful machine, sometimes just a little (very litttle) dry on the bass, but very detailed and spacious. It helped me discovering that most of decks I tested (excluding B215, CR7, ZX9, Beocord 9000 and few others) had problem reproducing finest sibilants while dealing with human voice.
	* Speakers were Elac FS210 A, just fine and detailed on mid and high frequencies.
	* Pre/Power combo was Metaxas Audio Systems Marquis/Solitaire. I have tested dozens and dozens amplifiers (while working for the Serbian audio magazine) and the only amplifiers that sounded so good and were not extremly expensive were Simaudio Moon i3 RS and Electrocompaniet ECI-5 Mk2. MAS has superb bass reproduction.
	* Interconnect cables were Oehlbach XXL2.
	* I also used Sennheiser 580 Precision headphones: I liked them although newer models are much better (HD700, AKG K550, Q701 etc.).
First, all decks had their belts replaced (and idler - CR7E), cleaned, lubricated etc. I also tested frequency response and the linearity of freq. curve, just to be sure they meet specs. I have some basic equipment... I measured Braun C3, it went untill 19.5 kHz as I remeber (-3 db) on chrome tape (Sony UX-S), and Beocord 9000 went well untill 22 kHz on the same tape (that is the practical limit of my sound card), and CR7 was shockingly well both on normal and chrome. I can't remeber B215S, but it was tested by Audio Precision equipment before it was sold to me and I have f. curve of it.
 
I also did demagnetization with hand held demagnetizator, and cleaned the tape path just before the test. Then I recorded test disc on them , using TDK SA tape and Maxell UD (or something... I can't remember now). I didn't have enough time to test with other tapes.
 
I did testing for several days, doing 30-60 mins listening tests of all decks separately. Than I compared each one to another using A-B-A-B and B-A-B-A tests.
The disc was the chosen compilation of different music styles: classical music, acoustic, voices, pop and rock. Just around 10 songs.
 
Maybe You would be interested to take a look at my web site (although in Serbian, I still have to make an English version): http://www.zokiaudio.com/
 
Regards,
Zoran
 
 
 
 

________________________________
From: Ashvin Srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com>
To: Zoran Karapandzic <z_karapandzic at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>; Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215

Zoran,
You are far more advanced than me but I have gone through this with tube vs SS, british speakers vs american,
Cables (oxygen vs non, solid core etc)

How do you perform the test. I mean what are the specifics.(When my wife shouts at me the Rogers sound extra sweet....)
Ashvin
On Oct 17, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Zoran Karapandzic <z_karapandzic at yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All,
>I made some listening tests a year ago, or so... Between all of my decks, I picked:
>- Revox B215S (bought from the original owner)
>- Nakamichi CR7 (the same)
>- Braun C3
>- Bang&Olufsen Beocord 9000
> 
>I expected that Revox B215S will be the best one... but here are the results in brief:
>	* Braun C3 - suprisingly good deck, not in the highest class, but very, very good. Apparently, not in the league of other 3 decks (transparency, upper frequency detail etc.). Anyway, this machine is much better than Braun C4.
>	* B&O Beocord 9000 - amazing machine. Mechanics is like from 70's, loud and with solenoids, just one motor, no double capstan, many idlers etc. and I dont like it. But the sound is top notch, this is the highest class deck. B215 and CR7 better it just for compatibility - cassette recorded on 9000 sounds a little bright on other decks.
>	* Revox B215S - These machines (I had 3 of them) are amazing in serviceability terms: so smart design. The transport weight is 2.5 kg, it was made using 16 ton hidraulic press at Studer, as I remeber. Also, B215 is the only deck I know (and I had more than 160 different decks, just for fun) that doesn't mind if You put low quality rollers in it. The sound of B215 in neutral - what goes in, goes out. A true studio deck, much better that Tascam 122 Mk2/Mk3. Details are amazing, calibration works perfect (uses 17 kHz tones among others...).
>	* Nak CR7 - it was the clear winner of the test, judging by my personal taste. If I would judge by neutral sound, the winner would be B215. But CR7 simply sounds better, with some coloration most people like. Microdetails, dynamic, 3D soundstage, sibilants etc. are all perfect. This is better machine than CR5, and not just by margin.
>I have somewhere the complete test (although in Serbian, not English), I may try to find it and send You the link, if You are interested.
> 
>Beside these decks I was writing about (I gave Braun C3 as a gift to a friend), I also have Harman/Kardon CD491, Studer A721, Nak ZX9, 680ZX, 682ZX, 700, Teac Z6000, Marantz PD430, Tandberg 3004, Phase Linear 7000  etc. etc., although some of them have yet to be serviced to give their best.
>
>Best regards,
>Zoran Karapandzic
>Belgrade, Serbia
>
>________________________________
>From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
>To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:23 AM
>Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
>
>dear Bala, 
>
>
>Okay, I agree,
>
>
>NAKAMICHI can be  sushi,  if the  ZXL can  be the blow fish, 
>But Revox would be prime boiled beef to me.
>Okay ?  
>BASF cassettes can be the sauerkraut, if you like.
>
>
>best regards
>
>
>Gerhard
>
>
>
>
>Am 17.10.2012 um 03:17 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:
>Hi Ashvin, 
>>
>>It is nice to read some older literature on equipment compared to the sparse advertisement we see for consumer equipment today. 
>>
>>It is really a sushi to sauerkraut comparison trying to compare the B215 and Nakamichi decks. I bought a well cared B215 from a first owner and made a few fine tapes with it. It is one of those rare decks where a manufacturer has taken reel to reel engineering and put into cassette technology. 
>>
>>The 215 has a cast frame with a four motor transport. It is a very well engineered deck, much better made then Japanese cassette decks. Precision and workmanship is top notch and performance is up there too. Sound-wise, it is the typical Revox sound which is clean, transparent and crisp. Because the deck was engineered with very different thoughts, it does sound way different compared to say a ZX-9. The metering seems pretty sparse on this deck, but seriously, even the ZX9 disappoints with its pithy LED dots and meters. I wish they had put the same meters they did with the B77 / PR99 units and peak record lamps which were a joy to use. 
>>
>>It is going to really come down to if you would like the sound of the Revox decks. There are people out there who like Revox decks more than Naks and it is a matter of personal taste. I decided to let my 215 go to a user who really liked it more than a Nak. I have to caution against calling it a “Dragon slayer or Nak killer”. It is NOT unless you feel it is. Rgds 
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>From: ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com>
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:41 AM
>>Subject: Re: FW: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
>>
>>Has anyone compared this unit (B215/B-215S to the ZX-9)? 
>>
>>
>>Revox B215 cassette deck: Fast on the draw, smooth on the earsBy Al FasoldtCopyright © 1986, The Syracuse Newspapers
>>   The glamour boy in audio these days is the compact disc, with its digital signal offering stunning playback quality. But technology has not ignored the other compact recording medium, the audio cassette.   The latest advances in cassette technology make it clear that instead of being outstripped by digital techniques, analog cassette quality is striving to keep pace - and succeeding in many areas.   The best evidence of this comes both as hardware and as software" - recorders and recordings themselves.   For an example of the industry's best efforts in the design of cassette recorders, I asked the American branch of the Swiss firm Studer Revox to supply one of its new Revox B215 cassette decks. It is one of the most expensive ($1,400) and feature-laden decks on the market.   For a look at what the recording industry was doing to keep pace, I listened to two tapes from one of the pioneers in the audiophile recording business.   As
 befits a recorder from Revox, a company best known for its indestructible professional recorders, the B215 is large and very heavy. Like all top-quality recorders, the B215 has three heads - erase, record, and play - to permit off-the-tape monitoring while recording.   But the B215 also has a circuit that automatically adjusts the deck's internal controls to produce near-perfect results with any brand and type of tape.   Like most current cassette decks, the B215 has Dolby B and Dolby C noise reduction circuits to trim the level of hiss. But the Revox deck is rare in incorporating another circuit, Dolby HX Pro, which also cuts distortion.   The B215 has many other features worthy of note - including a circuit that automatically sets optimum recording levels, a real-time counter with two memory rewind locations, and fast-acting meters that show signal levels as accurately as anything a pro could afford.   But what impresses me the most is the
 B215's tape transport mechanism, mounted on its own heavy alloy chassis. To start with, instead of using one capstan to pull the tape past the heads, the Revox uses two, on each side of the heads. Each capstan is actually the extended shaft of a separate motor, and each reel hub works the same way. The head assembly pivots against a set of hydraulic shock absorbers that appear large enough to support a motorcycle.   The four direct-drive motors provide what is probably the best tape handling of any deck on the market, with amazingly fast tape shuttling in either direction.   All this would matter little if the deck could not record and play as well as it handles tape. In tests and subsequent listening sessions, I found the B215 to be unmatched in smooth frequency response, vanishingly low hiss levels and overall clarity of sound.   Direct comparisons with a $5,000 digital tape recorder showed the Revox to have more inherent noise and a slight
 roughness in some sounds, but few other differences were noted. There was no evidence at all of flutter, a common problem of most cassette decks.   The "software" I used to judge the playback abilities of the B215 are Dolby B metal-particle cassettes from Ultragroove, a California company that started out in the '70s as a firm that made direct-to-disc records. In fact, one of the two cassettes just released started out as a direct-disc record, although the cassette is being duplicated from a digital back-up tape that was made during the direct-disc recording session.   The direct-disc clone is one of Arthur Fiedler's last recordings, a Boston Pops rendition of two war-horses - Tchaikovsky's "Capriccio Italien" and Rimsky-Korsakov's "Capriccio Espagnol."   The digital master also showed up a few years back as a dbx-encoded super-high-quality tape from dbx Inc., and I used that version as a comparison. Amazingly, the Ultragroove tape, which
 doesn't have the help of the super-quiet sonics of the dbx version, is every bit as hiss-free.   The other Ultragroove tape is similarly reincarnated from a '70s release. It is "Diahann Carroll," a session made with the Duke Ellington Orchestra. If anything, the sound of the current Ultragroove cassette is superior to the carefully pressed disc version I first heard a decade ago.   Both Ultragroove tapes, which cost $15 each, show the potential of metal-particle tape, which is becoming cheap enough to permit its use by major duplicators - but they won't do so unless they believe that consumers care. It's likely that anyone who hears either of these two releases will care quite a lot.   For more information, contact:   Studer Revox America, 1425 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, Tenn. 37210.   Ultragroove, P.O. Box 838, Orinda, Calif. 94563.  
>>On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote: 
>> I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.  I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.  My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics.  Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.   
>>> 
>>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26
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From: n.nikolaev at gmail.com (nikolay nikolaev)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:45:37 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
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Dear Friends,

We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart from
recording.

Our technician told us that the calibration of the type before recording
does not start

and for this reasons recording is awful.

Could you tell me who could repair this machine?

Or who could help our technician to find the problem?

Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair  Nakamichi 1000, but
for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.

Thanks in advamce.

Nikolay
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From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 06:12:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
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This reminds me of the time (early 80s) when my 5 year old 582 lost it's capstan motor. 

I replaced the motor with a new one, but, lacking any test equipment, had to drive up to 

Listen Up in Denver (they were the ReVox reps at the time), to have their tech tweak 

the speed. We were standing in his lab while he was setting the deck up and I 

commented that maybe I should have bought a ReVox instead, for their more reliable 

products. The Tech made a statement that ReVox was certainly built better and lasted 

longer, but for sonics, Nakamichi trounced ReVox.

Years later, when I was auditioning for a new deck, I much preferred the CR-7 sound to 

everything else I listened to, including a ReVox deck (I forget the model). I still own the 

CR-7 I bought. It was made in 1985 and is still going strong.

-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Zoran Karapandzic <z_karapandzic at yahoo.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>; Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> 
>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:53 AM
>Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
> 
>
>Dear All,
>I made some listening tests a year ago, or so... Between all of my decks, I picked:
>- Revox B215S (bought from the original owner)
>- Nakamichi CR7 (the same)
>- Braun C3
>- Bang&Olufsen Beocord 9000
> 
>I expected that Revox B215S will be the best one... but here are the results in brief:
>	* Braun C3 - suprisingly good deck, not in the highest class, but very, very good. Apparently, not in the league of other 3 decks (transparency, upper frequency detail etc.). Anyway, this machine is much better than Braun C4.
>	* B&O Beocord 9000 - amazing machine. Mechanics is like from 70's, loud and with solenoids, just one motor, no double capstan, many idlers etc. and I dont like it. But the sound is top notch, this is the highest class deck. B215 and CR7 better it just for compatibility - cassette recorded on 9000 sounds a little bright on other decks.
>	* Revox B215S - These machines (I had 3 of them) are amazing in serviceability terms: so smart design. The transport weight is 2.5 kg, it was made using 16 ton hidraulic press at Studer, as I remeber. Also, B215 is the only deck I know (and I had more than 160 different decks, just for fun) that doesn't mind if You put low quality rollers in it. The sound of B215 in neutral - what goes in, goes out. A true studio deck, much better that Tascam 122 Mk2/Mk3. Details are amazing, calibration works perfect (uses 17 kHz tones among others...).
>	* Nak CR7 - it was the clear winner of the test, judging by my personal taste. If I would judge by neutral sound, the winner would be B215. But CR7 simply sounds better, with some coloration most people like. Microdetails, dynamic, 3D soundstage, sibilants etc. are all perfect. This is better machine than CR5, and not just by margin.
>I have somewhere the complete test (although in Serbian, not English), I may try to find it and send You the link, if You are interested.
> 
>Beside these decks I was writing about (I gave Braun C3 as a gift to a friend), I also have Harman/Kardon CD491, Studer A721, Nak ZX9, 680ZX, 682ZX, 700, Teac Z6000, Marantz PD430, Tandberg 3004, Phase Linear 7000  etc. etc., although some of them have yet to be serviced to give their best.
> 
>Best regards,
>Zoran Karapandzic
>Belgrade, Serbia
>From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
>To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:23 AM
>Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
>
>dear Bala, 
>
>
>Okay, I agree,
>
>
>NAKAMICHI can be  sushi,  if the  ZXL can  be the blow fish, 
>But Revox would be prime boiled beef to me.
>Okay ?  
>BASF cassettes can be the sauerkraut, if you like.
>
>
>best regards
>
>
>Gerhard
>
>
>
>
>Am 17.10.2012 um 03:17 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:
>Hi Ashvin, 
>> 
>>It is nice to read some older literature on equipment compared to the sparse advertisement we see for consumer equipment today. 
>> 
>>It is really a sushi to sauerkraut comparison trying to compare the B215 and Nakamichi decks. I bought a well cared B215 from a first owner and made a few fine tapes with it. It is one of those rare decks where a manufacturer has taken reel to reel engineering and put into cassette technology. 
>> 
>>The 215 has a cast frame with a four motor transport. It is a very well engineered deck, much better made then Japanese cassette decks. Precision and workmanship is top notch and performance is up there too. Sound-wise, it is the typical Revox sound which is clean, transparent and crisp. Because the deck was engineered with very different thoughts, it does sound way different compared to say a ZX-9. The metering seems pretty sparse on this deck, but seriously, even the ZX9 disappoints with its pithy LED dots and meters. I wish they had put the same meters they did with the B77 / PR99 units and peak record lamps which were a joy to use. 
>> 
>>It is going to really come down to if you would like the sound of the Revox decks. There are people out there who like Revox decks more than Naks and it is a matter of personal taste. I decided to let my 215 go to a user who really liked it more than a Nak. I have to caution against calling it a “Dragon slayer or Nak killer”. It is NOT unless you feel it is. Rgds 
>>
>>
>>From: ashvin srivastava <icmllc at gmail.com>
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:41 AM
>>Subject: Re: FW: RES: [naktalk] Comparing the flagship Nak's to the B215
>>
>>Has anyone compared this unit (B215/B-215S to the ZX-9)? 
>>
>>
>>Revox B215 cassette deck: Fast on the draw, smooth on the earsBy Al FasoldtCopyright © 1986, The Syracuse Newspapers
>>   The glamour boy in audio these days is the compact disc, with its digital signal offering stunning playback quality. But technology has not ignored the other compact recording medium, the audio cassette.   The latest advances in cassette technology make it clear that instead of being outstripped by digital techniques, analog cassette quality is striving to keep pace - and succeeding in many areas.   The best evidence of this comes both as hardware and as software" - recorders and recordings themselves.   For an example of the industry's best efforts in the design of cassette recorders, I asked the American branch of the Swiss firm Studer Revox to supply one of its new Revox B215 cassette decks. It is one of the most expensive ($1,400) and feature-laden decks on the market.   For a look at what the recording industry was doing to keep pace, I listened to two tapes from one of the pioneers in the audiophile recording business.   As
 befits a recorder from Revox, a company best known for its indestructible professional recorders, the B215 is large and very heavy. Like all top-quality recorders, the B215 has three heads - erase, record, and play - to permit off-the-tape monitoring while recording.   But the B215 also has a circuit that automatically adjusts the deck's internal controls to produce near-perfect results with any brand and type of tape.   Like most current cassette decks, the B215 has Dolby B and Dolby C noise reduction circuits to trim the level of hiss. But the Revox deck is rare in incorporating another circuit, Dolby HX Pro, which also cuts distortion.   The B215 has many other features worthy of note - including a circuit that automatically sets optimum recording levels, a real-time counter with two memory rewind locations, and fast-acting meters that show signal levels as accurately as anything a pro could afford.   But what impresses me the most is the
 B215's tape transport mechanism, mounted on its own heavy alloy chassis. To start with, instead of using one capstan to pull the tape past the heads, the Revox uses two, on each side of the heads. Each capstan is actually the extended shaft of a separate motor, and each reel hub works the same way. The head assembly pivots against a set of hydraulic shock absorbers that appear large enough to support a motorcycle.   The four direct-drive motors provide what is probably the best tape handling of any deck on the market, with amazingly fast tape shuttling in either direction.   All this would matter little if the deck could not record and play as well as it handles tape. In tests and subsequent listening sessions, I found the B215 to be unmatched in smooth frequency response, vanishingly low hiss levels and overall clarity of sound.   Direct comparisons with a $5,000 digital tape recorder showed the Revox to have more inherent noise and a slight
 roughness in some sounds, but few other differences were noted. There was no evidence at all of flutter, a common problem of most cassette decks.   The "software" I used to judge the playback abilities of the B215 are Dolby B metal-particle cassettes from Ultragroove, a California company that started out in the '70s as a firm that made direct-to-disc records. In fact, one of the two cassettes just released started out as a direct-disc record, although the cassette is being duplicated from a digital back-up tape that was made during the direct-disc recording session.   The direct-disc clone is one of Arthur Fiedler's last recordings, a Boston Pops rendition of two war-horses - Tchaikovsky's "Capriccio Italien" and Rimsky-Korsakov's "Capriccio Espagnol."   The digital master also showed up a few years back as a dbx-encoded super-high-quality tape from dbx Inc., and I used that version as a comparison. Amazingly, the Ultragroove tape, which
 doesn't have the help of the super-quiet sonics of the dbx version, is every bit as hiss-free.   The other Ultragroove tape is similarly reincarnated from a '70s release. It is "Diahann Carroll," a session made with the Duke Ellington Orchestra. If anything, the sound of the current Ultragroove cassette is superior to the carefully pressed disc version I first heard a decade ago.   Both Ultragroove tapes, which cost $15 each, show the potential of metal-particle tape, which is becoming cheap enough to permit its use by major duplicators - but they won't do so unless they believe that consumers care. It's likely that anyone who hears either of these two releases will care quite a lot.   For more information, contact:   Studer Revox America, 1425 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, Tenn. 37210.   Ultragroove, P.O. Box 838, Orinda, Calif. 94563.  
>>On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote: 
>> I seen the ad months ago, but failed to post it on Naktalk.  I'm glad to see another party who can(?) service these old machines. The more folks who claim they can service Naks, the better.  My friend and I really never found a trustworthy service here in Phoenix, AZ to service any vintage electronics.  Having a local repair service sure would help as shipping rates are very high. I shipped an 11 pound Ebay sale to Florida via UPS Ground yesterday and the bill with a $2 off coupon was $25.24.   
>>> 
>>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-cassette-deck-full-Restoration-Service-master-technician-/120963179011?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2777011315681051371%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D140739643811%26
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 18 16:37:35 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 07:37:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
In-Reply-To: <CANCu8ZqZ4qrVfY0UT9R68ND0H5LACmiiUvqtyDsm7SCisXG8PA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANCu8ZqZ4qrVfY0UT9R68ND0H5LACmiiUvqtyDsm7SCisXG8PA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1350571055.77476.YahooMailNeo@web112702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Willy Hermann is your man on the west coast. ESL on the east coast.

Ram.



________________________________
 From: nikolay nikolaev <n.nikolaev at gmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:45 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
 

Dear Friends,
We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly
apart from recording.
Our technician told us that the calibration of the type
before recording does not start
and for this reasons recording is awful.
Could you tell me who could repair this machine?
Or who could help our technician to find the problem?
Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair  Nakamichi 1000, but for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.
Thanks in advamce.
Nikolay

   
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From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Thu Oct 18 13:27:19 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:27:19 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
In-Reply-To: <CANCu8ZqZ4qrVfY0UT9R68ND0H5LACmiiUvqtyDsm7SCisXG8PA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANCu8ZqZ4qrVfY0UT9R68ND0H5LACmiiUvqtyDsm7SCisXG8PA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689F9F6E@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>

Where do you live?


From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of nikolay nikolaev
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:46 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording

Dear Friends,
We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart from recording.
Our technician told us that the calibration of the type before recording does not start
and for this reasons recording is awful.
Could you tell me who could repair this machine?
Or who could help our technician to find the problem?
Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair  Nakamichi 1000, but for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.
Thanks in advamce.
Nikolay

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From noneyhoney at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 18 13:43:18 2012
From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:13:18 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
In-Reply-To: <COL107-W209D1241B399A066A03FCDC9760@phx.gbl>
References: <201210151002.q9FA05Mp015095@zxe.naks.com>,
	<COL107-W26AD8EC39F58FC806B4035C9770@phx.gbl>,
	<COL107-W209D1241B399A066A03FCDC9760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL107-W2086BBAB97C59571D01A3DC9760@phx.gbl>







Hi Ram, 		 	   		  well, yesterday it played one tape fully till the end with no stoppages (both sides), and another i was testing today had the stoppage problem. I opened the mechanism and de-greased and lubed the reel motor. Im wondering if adjusting the torque would have any effect. I dont have a torque gauge so Im assuming lowering the speed (via the VR) would increase torque or would it be increasing the speed ?Also, i wonder if a general tape/CD motor (of similar dimensions and screw hole positions) from the market would be a working replacement if in case of dead spots ?Thanks and regardsSoumitra 		 	   		   		 	   		  
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From shoeihell at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 18 15:21:39 2012
From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 06:21:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Snake oil
In-Reply-To: <201210181107.q9IAvcq0029598@zxe.naks.com>
References: <201210181107.q9IAvcq0029598@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <1350566499.3019.YahooMailNeo@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>



Vic,
I tend to lose track of time, but I believe I saw him advertise again 
briefly on ebay like 1-1 1/2yrs ago. During my ordeal, I talked with him on the phone etc. If you lived in Utah and could hammer this guy 
locally, he might be able to do it right....I guess I'll never know. In 
the beginning he sold me on the phone, but in retrospect is was just 
another snake oil salesman.

Kevin





________________________________

Message: 2
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:25:41 -0600
From: "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Snake oil
To: "'Kevin Fetner'" <shoeihell at yahoo.com>,    "'Talk about Nakamichi
    Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <005e01cdac8c$6e79fe20$4b6dfa60$@math.utah.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Kevin, Is this guy still around? I remember seeing his ads locally in SLC,
UT 

I had a few customers that may have used him as well. I never heard back
from them about the service. 



Vic
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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 18 15:57:23 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:57:23 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] tw a
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W350A5AB77FFDA0C1190B0EDB760@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT111-W350A5AB77FFDA0C1190B0EDB760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY156-W479606D3E1518DCE62B3A0E3760@phx.gbl>


ehh..thanx mark
 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 07:03:59 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] tw a








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From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Thu Oct 18 17:36:52 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:36:52 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with
	recording
In-Reply-To: <1350571055.77476.YahooMailNeo@web112702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <CANCu8ZqZ4qrVfY0UT9R68ND0H5LACmiiUvqtyDsm7SCisXG8PA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1350571055.77476.YahooMailNeo@web112702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689FA033@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>

First determine if the problem is with the record board which is easy, inject a test tone into the input jacks and monitor the encoder out and R116 and 216 on the main pcb. That will tell you if the rec dolby board is working. All test tones during cal go thru that board. If that's not working the unit will not cal. If signal is good at the encoder out but bad at r116 or 216  check the output of the rec board at CN-49 pins 2 and 4, if good the relays used for the external noise reduction loop, RL301 and RL302 are bad, which happens a lot.

Also is the 400hz oscillator working? Put the unit in source and turn the 400hz on, meters should read 0dbm. Without the 400hz the unit will not pass azimuth.

One more thing, is it failing during the azimuth part of the cal or after?

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:38 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording

Willy Hermann is your man on the west coast. ESL on the east coast.

Ram.


________________________________
From: nikolay nikolaev <n.nikolaev at gmail.com<mailto:n.nikolaev at gmail.com>>
To: naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:45 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording

Dear Friends,
We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart from recording.
Our technician told us that the calibration of the type before recording does not start
and for this reasons recording is awful.
Could you tell me who could repair this machine?
Or who could help our technician to find the problem?
Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair  Nakamichi 1000, but for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.
Thanks in advamce.
Nikolay


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From adrian at mechner.net  Thu Oct 18 19:08:56 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:08:56 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Funny listings
Message-ID: <000001cdad53$43b37e60$cb1a7b20$@net>

Here are some funny listings:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-Cassette-Service-Idler-Tire-Repair-Part-Fi
x-/300359184815?pt=US_Home_Audio_Cassette_Decks
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-Cassette-Service-Idler-Tire-Repair-Part-F
ix-/300359184815?pt=US_Home_Audio_Cassette_Decks&hash=item45eecd71af>
&hash=item45eecd71af

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-Cassette-Deck-Repair-Service-Idler-Tire-an
d-sankyo-transport-Repair-/120970792166?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-Cassette-Deck-Repair-Service-Idler-Tire-a
nd-sankyo-transport-Repair-/120970792166?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item
1c2a6bcce6> &hash=item1c2a6bcce6

Adrian

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From n.nikolaev at gmail.com  Thu Oct 18 19:32:01 2012
From: n.nikolaev at gmail.com (nikolay nikolaev)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:32:01 +0100
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
In-Reply-To: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689F9F6E@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
References: <CANCu8ZqZ4qrVfY0UT9R68ND0H5LACmiiUvqtyDsm7SCisXG8PA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689F9F6E@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <CANCu8ZoSKMERbzc2qwgriH_XDh++1TDYnwjvxt2UUxDYwH47pg@mail.gmail.com>

I am living in UK

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Garner, Scott H
<scott.h.garner at lmco.com>wrote:

>  Where do you live?****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
> Behalf Of *nikolay nikolaev
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:46 AM
> *To:* naktalk at naks.com
> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> Dear Friends,****
>
> We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart from
> recording.****
>
> Our technician told us that the calibration of the type before recording
> does not start****
>
> and for this reasons recording is awful.****
>
> Could you tell me who could repair this machine?****
>
> Or who could help our technician to find the problem?****
>
> Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair  Nakamichi 1000,
> but for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.****
>
> Thanks in advamce.****
>
> Nikolay****
>
>   ****
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From angel9esoteric at gmail.com  Thu Oct 18 21:07:11 2012
From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:07:11 -0400
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with
	recording
In-Reply-To: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689FA033@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
References: <CANCu8ZqZ4qrVfY0UT9R68ND0H5LACmiiUvqtyDsm7SCisXG8PA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1350571055.77476.YahooMailNeo@web112702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689FA033@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <CAEo=m-Vdon+Rg4TaijgGRQzmZ1JoeKSufArzSKyD65thff+dPg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sorry to say but the only good tech is still Stephen sank. ESL is
idiotically overpriced.

On 10/18/12, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
> First determine if the problem is with the record board which is easy,
> inject a test tone into the input jacks and monitor the encoder out and R116
> and 216 on the main pcb. That will tell you if the rec dolby board is
> working. All test tones during cal go thru that board. If that's not working
> the unit will not cal. If signal is good at the encoder out but bad at r116
> or 216  check the output of the rec board at CN-49 pins 2 and 4, if good the
> relays used for the external noise reduction loop, RL301 and RL302 are bad,
> which happens a lot.
>
> Also is the 400hz oscillator working? Put the unit in source and turn the
> 400hz on, meters should read 0dbm. Without the 400hz the unit will not pass
> azimuth.
>
> One more thing, is it failing during the azimuth part of the cal or after?
>
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of shanti ramachandran
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:38 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with
> recording
>
> Willy Hermann is your man on the west coast. ESL on the east coast.
>
> Ram.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: nikolay nikolaev <n.nikolaev at gmail.com<mailto:n.nikolaev at gmail.com>>
> To: naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:45 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
>
> Dear Friends,
> We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart from
> recording.
> Our technician told us that the calibration of the type before recording
> does not start
> and for this reasons recording is awful.
> Could you tell me who could repair this machine?
> Or who could help our technician to find the problem?
> Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair  Nakamichi 1000, but
> for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.
> Thanks in advamce.
> Nikolay
>
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 18 22:12:26 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 06:12:26 +1000
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
In-Reply-To: <CANCu8ZoSKMERbzc2qwgriH_XDh++1TDYnwjvxt2UUxDYwH47pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANCu8ZqZ4qrVfY0UT9R68ND0H5LACmiiUvqtyDsm7SCisXG8PA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689F9F6E@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
	<CANCu8ZoSKMERbzc2qwgriH_XDh++1TDYnwjvxt2UUxDYwH47pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB57E631-7E99-4661-B31E-0B5A3FE18F2C@yahoo.com>

If you are sending your deck to the US, ESL labs are the only ones for a full overhaul.

 This is slowly a topic for contention, but I believe it warrants another (friendly and insightful) thread. 

Rgds

Sent from my iPhone

On 19/10/2012, at 3:32 AM, nikolay nikolaev <n.nikolaev at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am living in UK
> 
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
>> Where do you live?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of nikolay nikolaev
>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:46 AM
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Dear Friends,
>> 
>> We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart from recording.
>> 
>> Our technician told us that the calibration of the type before recording does not start
>> 
>> and for this reasons recording is awful.
>> 
>> Could you tell me who could repair this machine?
>> 
>> Or who could help our technician to find the problem?
>> 
>> Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair  Nakamichi 1000, but for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.
>> 
>> Thanks in advamce.
>> 
>> Nikolay
>> 
>>  
>> 
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From josephjean at verizon.net  Thu Oct 18 22:32:25 2012
From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:32:25 -0400
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems  with
	recording
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	mail.com>
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	<1350571055.77476.YahooMailNeo@web112702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689FA033@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
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Message-ID: <0MC300E6AVPSV1J0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>

If I'm not mistaken, Sank went AWOL some years ago.


There are three people on this board that I would not hesitate to 
work on my Dragon should it ever need service.



At 03:07 PM 10/18/2012, you wrote:
>I'm sorry to say but the only good tech is still Stephen sank. ESL is
>idiotically overpriced.
>
>On 10/18/12, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
> > First determine if the problem is with the record board which is easy,
> > inject a test tone into the input jacks and monitor the encoder 
> out and R116
> > and 216 on the main pcb. That will tell you if the rec dolby board is
> > working. All test tones during cal go thru that board. If that's 
> not working
> > the unit will not cal. If signal is good at the encoder out but bad at r116
> > or 216  check the output of the rec board at CN-49 pins 2 and 4, 
> if good the
> > relays used for the external noise reduction loop, RL301 and RL302 are bad,
> > which happens a lot.
> >
> > Also is the 400hz oscillator working? Put the unit in source and turn the
> > 400hz on, meters should read 0dbm. Without the 400hz the unit will not pass
> > azimuth.
> >
> > One more thing, is it failing during the azimuth part of the cal or after?
> >
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> > Of shanti ramachandran
> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:38 AM
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with
> > recording
> >
> > Willy Hermann is your man on the west coast. ESL on the east coast.
> >
> > Ram.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: nikolay nikolaev <n.nikolaev at gmail.com<mailto:n.nikolaev at gmail.com>>
> > To: naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:45 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> > We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart from
> > recording.
> > Our technician told us that the calibration of the type before recording
> > does not start
> > and for this reasons recording is awful.
> > Could you tell me who could repair this machine?
> > Or who could help our technician to find the problem?
> > Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair  Nakamichi 1000, but
> > for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.
> > Thanks in advamce.
> > Nikolay
> >
> >
> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >                         Naktalk at naks.com<mailto:Naktalk at naks.com>
> > mailinglist
> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >
>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>========---------------------------------------------------------=========

Roland

When momentum meets resistance, push harder. 



From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 18 22:54:00 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:54:00 -1000
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording
In-Reply-To: <CAEo=m-Vdon+Rg4TaijgGRQzmZ1JoeKSufArzSKyD65thff+dPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP440BE8AD336FA654430C6E786760@phx.gbl>


 
Stephen Sank is great. He coached me, via an audio blog, on how to do
"microsurgery" on the mainboard of my Pioneer PDR-555RW CD Recorder/Player.
A leaky electrolytic cap damaged the circuit board and the damage was
virtually invisible to the naked eye. He knew exactly what was wrong, which
cap, and how to fix it. 

Aloha,
Cheryl

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of MD
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:07 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording

I'm sorry to say but the only good tech is still Stephen sank. ESL is
idiotically overpriced.

On 10/18/12, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
> First determine if the problem is with the record board which is easy, 
> inject a test tone into the input jacks and monitor the encoder out 
> and R116 and 216 on the main pcb. That will tell you if the rec dolby 
> board is working. All test tones during cal go thru that board. If 
> that's not working the unit will not cal. If signal is good at the 
> encoder out but bad at r116 or 216  check the output of the rec board 
> at CN-49 pins 2 and 4, if good the relays used for the external noise 
> reduction loop, RL301 and RL302 are bad, which happens a lot.
>
> Also is the 400hz oscillator working? Put the unit in source and turn 
> the 400hz on, meters should read 0dbm. Without the 400hz the unit will 
> not pass azimuth.
>
> One more thing, is it failing during the azimuth part of the cal or after?
>
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On 
> Behalf Of shanti ramachandran
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:38 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with 
> recording
>
> Willy Hermann is your man on the west coast. ESL on the east coast.
>
> Ram.
>
>



From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 18 21:51:43 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:51:43 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Unintentional Email Sent
In-Reply-To: <BAY156-W479606D3E1518DCE62B3A0E3760@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT111-W350A5AB77FFDA0C1190B0EDB760@phx.gbl>,
	<BAY156-W479606D3E1518DCE62B3A0E3760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W557707FAA6801C440B4106DB760@phx.gbl>


 I aplogize if anyone received an email with the title 'tw a'.I had no intention or knowledge that I sent it. 		 	   		  
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From pbtanner at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 18 22:02:02 2012
From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:02:02 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
Message-ID: <SNT127-W357F916659DF4D6B7AECFDDF760@phx.gbl>


Hi everybody,

Seem to be having an ongoing problem with a 482Z. The two green secondary wires from the transformer produce the voltage necessary, 14 volts or actually a little higher, to run the transport and the rest. However the transport only comes alive if one of them is grounded. Then the voltage on the other will jump up and the deck functions but the transformer will overheat eventually. Playback is OK but in the record mode there is some hum. The IC 401 (the regulator) and 2 filter caps C401 C402 have been replaced. The deck is 240 Volts. I am not sure what else can go wrong in the power supply but there is obviously something wrong. If anyone has an idea please let me know.

Best regards to all

Peter
 		 	   		  
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From icmllc at gmail.com  Thu Oct 18 23:18:31 2012
From: icmllc at gmail.com (ashvin srivastava)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:18:31 -0500
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
In-Reply-To: <CANCu8ZoSKMERbzc2qwgriH_XDh++1TDYnwjvxt2UUxDYwH47pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANCu8ZqZ4qrVfY0UT9R68ND0H5LACmiiUvqtyDsm7SCisXG8PA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689F9F6E@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
	<CANCu8ZoSKMERbzc2qwgriH_XDh++1TDYnwjvxt2UUxDYwH47pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACSsU2PzcmS8jodB7k5iHBptt=UTKTBZJHDTOnQ1WR4iEezQSg@mail.gmail.com>

Nikolay,
UK.
I sympathize for you.
Dasvidanya

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:32 PM, nikolay nikolaev <n.nikolaev at gmail.com>wrote:

> I am living in UK
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com
> > wrote:
>
>>  Where do you live?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *nikolay nikolaev
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:46 AM
>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com
>> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with
>> recording****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Dear Friends,****
>>
>> We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart from
>> recording.****
>>
>> Our technician told us that the calibration of the type before recording
>> does not start****
>>
>> and for this reasons recording is awful.****
>>
>> Could you tell me who could repair this machine?****
>>
>> Or who could help our technician to find the problem?****
>>
>> Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair  Nakamichi 1000,
>> but for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.****
>>
>> Thanks in advamce.****
>>
>> Nikolay****
>>
>>   ****
>>
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>
>
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From icmllc at gmail.com  Thu Oct 18 23:58:20 2012
From: icmllc at gmail.com (Ashvin Srivastava)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:58:20 -0500
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with
	recording
In-Reply-To: <0MC300E6AVPSV1J0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <CANCu8ZqZ4qrVfY0UT9R68ND0H5LACmiiUvqtyDsm7SCisXG8PA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1350571055.77476.YahooMailNeo@web112702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689FA033@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
	<CAEo=m-Vdon+Rg4TaijgGRQzmZ1JoeKSufArzSKyD65thff+dPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0MC300E6AVPSV1J0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <4301F674-F74F-4EDC-AC6D-BB63562B8967@gmail.com>

Who are those Goodguy?

Ashvin

On Oct 18, 2012, at 3:32 PM, goodguy <josephjean at verizon.net> wrote:

> If I'm not mistaken, Sank went AWOL some years ago.
> 
> 
> There are three people on this board that I would not hesitate to work on my Dragon should it ever need service.
> 
> 
> 
> At 03:07 PM 10/18/2012, you wrote:
>> I'm sorry to say but the only good tech is still Stephen sank. ESL is
>> idiotically overpriced.
>> 
>> On 10/18/12, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
>> > First determine if the problem is with the record board which is easy,
>> > inject a test tone into the input jacks and monitor the encoder out and R116
>> > and 216 on the main pcb. That will tell you if the rec dolby board is
>> > working. All test tones during cal go thru that board. If that's not working
>> > the unit will not cal. If signal is good at the encoder out but bad at r116
>> > or 216  check the output of the rec board at CN-49 pins 2 and 4, if good the
>> > relays used for the external noise reduction loop, RL301 and RL302 are bad,
>> > which happens a lot.
>> >
>> > Also is the 400hz oscillator working? Put the unit in source and turn the
>> > 400hz on, meters should read 0dbm. Without the 400hz the unit will not pass
>> > azimuth.
>> >
>> > One more thing, is it failing during the azimuth part of the cal or after?
>> >
>> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
>> > Of shanti ramachandran
>> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:38 AM
>> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> > Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with
>> > recording
>> >
>> > Willy Hermann is your man on the west coast. ESL on the east coast.
>> >
>> > Ram.
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: nikolay nikolaev <n.nikolaev at gmail.com<mailto:n.nikolaev at gmail.com>>
>> > To: naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:45 AM
>> > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
>> >
>> > Dear Friends,
>> > We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart from
>> > recording.
>> > Our technician told us that the calibration of the type before recording
>> > does not start
>> > and for this reasons recording is awful.
>> > Could you tell me who could repair this machine?
>> > Or who could help our technician to find the problem?
>> > Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair  Nakamichi 1000, but
>> > for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.
>> > Thanks in advamce.
>> > Nikolay
>> >
>> >
>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>> >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>> >                         Naktalk at naks.com<mailto:Naktalk at naks.com>
>> > mailinglist
>> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>> >
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> 
> Roland
> 
> When momentum meets resistance, push harder. 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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From josephjean at verizon.net  Fri Oct 19 00:46:00 2012
From: josephjean at verizon.net (josephjean at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:46:00 -0400
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording
Message-ID: <0MC4003WC1UUSFG0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>


Is he still around?

You don't see him on eBay either.


-----Original Message-----

From:  Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
Subj:  RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording
Date:  Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:20 pm
Size:  2K
To:  "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>


 
Stephen Sank is great. He coached me, via an audio blog, on how to do
"microsurgery" on the mainboard of my Pioneer PDR-555RW CD Recorder/Player.
A leaky electrolytic cap damaged the circuit board and the damage was
virtually invisible to the naked eye. He knew exactly what was wrong, which
cap, and how to fix it. 

Aloha,
Cheryl

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of MD
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:07 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording

I'm sorry to say but the only good tech is still Stephen sank. ESL is
idiotically overpriced.

On 10/18/12, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
> First determine if the problem is with the record board which is easy, 
> inject a test tone into the input jacks and monitor the encoder out 
> and R116 and 216 on the main pcb. That will tell you if the rec dolby 
> board is working. All test tones during cal go thru that board. If 
> that's not working the unit will not cal. If signal is good at the 
> encoder out but bad at r116 or 216  check the output of the rec board 
> at CN-49 pins 2 and 4, if good the relays used for the external noise 
> reduction loop, RL301 and RL302 are bad, which happens a lot.
>
> Also is the 400hz oscillator working? Put the unit in source and turn 
> the 400hz on, meters should read 0dbm. Without the 400hz the unit will 
> not pass azimuth.
>
> One more thing, is it failing during the azimuth part of the cal or after?
>
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On 
> Behalf Of shanti ramachandran
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:38 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with 
> recording
>
> Willy Hermann is your man on the west coast. ESL on the east coast.
>
> Ram.
>
>

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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Fri Oct 19 02:10:54 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:10:54 -0700
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
In-Reply-To: <DB57E631-7E99-4661-B31E-0B5A3FE18F2C@yahoo.com>
References: <CANCu8ZqZ4qrVfY0UT9R68ND0H5LACmiiUvqtyDsm7SCisXG8PA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689F9F6E@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
	<CANCu8ZoSKMERbzc2qwgriH_XDh++1TDYnwjvxt2UUxDYwH47pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB57E631-7E99-4661-B31E-0B5A3FE18F2C@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAM9V8McUqOFGVx7yZLT9Lf00yQY1f7QwVJT55PYfHfqMg7K==g@mail.gmail.com>

I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but I beg to differ with Bala
(who does not live in the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL rebuild in
the US.  I have many customers quite happy with both my service
capabilities and my rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I have
even had a part manufactured to enable me to replace the unavailable relays
which so often give trouble.  I don't, however, ship internationally so can
not help the gentleman in the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in
Steyning, West Sussex?
Willy

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> If you are sending your deck to the US, ESL labs are the only ones for a
> full overhaul.
>
>  This is slowly a topic for contention, but I believe it warrants another
> (friendly and insightful) thread.
>
> Rgds
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 19/10/2012, at 3:32 AM, nikolay nikolaev <n.nikolaev at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am living in UK
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com
> > wrote:
>
>>  Where do you live?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *nikolay nikolaev
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:46 AM
>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com
>> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with
>> recording****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Dear Friends,****
>>
>> We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart from
>> recording.****
>>
>> Our technician told us that the calibration of the type before recording
>> does not start****
>>
>> and for this reasons recording is awful.****
>>
>> Could you tell me who could repair this machine?****
>>
>> Or who could help our technician to find the problem?****
>>
>> Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair  Nakamichi 1000,
>> but for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.****
>>
>> Thanks in advamce.****
>>
>> Nikolay****
>>
>>   ****
>>
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 19 03:53:28 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:53:28 -1000
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording
In-Reply-To: <0MC4003WC1UUSFG0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP381326BEEB976A809C1905386750@phx.gbl>


Here's a thread on the DIYAUDIO blog -- he posted in May 2012 in this
thread.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/19164-please-help-fixing-pione
er-pdr-555rw-9.html#post3195431 


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of josephjean at verizon.net
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:46 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording


Is he still around?

You don't see him on eBay either.


-----Original Message-----

From:  Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
Subj:  RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording
Date:  Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:20 pm
Size:  2K
To:  "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>


 
Stephen Sank is great. He coached me, via an audio blog, on how to do
"microsurgery" on the mainboard of my Pioneer PDR-555RW CD Recorder/Player.
A leaky electrolytic cap damaged the circuit board and the damage was
virtually invisible to the naked eye. He knew exactly what was wrong, which
cap, and how to fix it. 

Aloha,
Cheryl



From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 19 04:05:48 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:05:48 -1000
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP252BE3892EDD21772A3B28186750@phx.gbl>


 
BTW, I just posted on that thread and asked if Stephen is still hanging
around and if he still works on Naks. I'll let you know if I get a response.

Aloha,
Cheryl


-----Original Message-----
From: Cheryl Kaupp [mailto:kaupp240 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:53 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording


Here's a thread on the DIYAUDIO blog -- he posted in May 2012 in this
thread.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/19164-please-help-fixing-pione
er-pdr-555rw-9.html#post3195431 


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of josephjean at verizon.net
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:46 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording


Is he still around?

You don't see him on eBay either.


-----Original Message-----

From:  Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
Subj:  RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording
Date:  Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:20 pm
Size:  2K
To:  "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>


 
Stephen Sank is great. He coached me, via an audio blog, on how to do
"microsurgery" on the mainboard of my Pioneer PDR-555RW CD Recorder/Player.
A leaky electrolytic cap damaged the circuit board and the damage was
virtually invisible to the naked eye. He knew exactly what was wrong, which
cap, and how to fix it. 

Aloha,
Cheryl



From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 19 04:12:19 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:12:19 -1000
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording
In-Reply-To: <4301F674-F74F-4EDC-AC6D-BB63562B8967@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP4395B92D65E5467E4EBC52786750@phx.gbl>


Willy Hermann and Perry Esposito are 2 of them, maybe Fred is the 3rd? 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Ashvin Srivastava
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:58 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording

Who are those Goodguy?

Ashvin

On Oct 18, 2012, at 3:32 PM, goodguy <josephjean at verizon.net> wrote:

> If I'm not mistaken, Sank went AWOL some years ago.
> 
> 
> There are three people on this board that I would not hesitate to work on
my Dragon should it ever need service.
> 
> 
> 
> At 03:07 PM 10/18/2012, you wrote:
>> I'm sorry to say but the only good tech is still Stephen sank. ESL is 
>> idiotically overpriced.
>> 
>> On 10/18/12, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
>> > First determine if the problem is with the record board which is 
>> > easy, inject a test tone into the input jacks and monitor the 
>> > encoder out and R116 and 216 on the main pcb. That will tell you if 
>> > the rec dolby board is working. All test tones during cal go thru 
>> > that board. If that's not working the unit will not cal. If signal 
>> > is good at the encoder out but bad at r116 or 216  check the output 
>> > of the rec board at CN-49 pins 2 and 4, if good the relays used for 
>> > the external noise reduction loop, RL301 and RL302 are bad, which
happens a lot.
>> >
>> > Also is the 400hz oscillator working? Put the unit in source and 
>> > turn the 400hz on, meters should read 0dbm. Without the 400hz the 
>> > unit will not pass azimuth.
>> >
>> > One more thing, is it failing during the azimuth part of the cal or
after?
>> >
>> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On 
>> > Behalf Of shanti ramachandran
>> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:38 AM
>> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> > Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with 
>> > recording
>> >
>> > Willy Hermann is your man on the west coast. ESL on the east coast.
>> >
>> > Ram.
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: nikolay nikolaev 
>> > <n.nikolaev at gmail.com<mailto:n.nikolaev at gmail.com>>
>> > To: naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:45 AM
>> > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
>> >
>> > Dear Friends,
>> > We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart 
>> > from recording.
>> > Our technician told us that the calibration of the type before 
>> > recording does not start and for this reasons recording is awful.
>> > Could you tell me who could repair this machine?
>> > Or who could help our technician to find the problem?
>> > Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair  Nakamichi 
>> > 1000, but for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.
>> > Thanks in advamce.
>> > Nikolay
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 19 05:46:10 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:46:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP440BE8AD336FA654430C6E786760@phx.gbl>
References: <CAEo=m-Vdon+Rg4TaijgGRQzmZ1JoeKSufArzSKyD65thff+dPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP440BE8AD336FA654430C6E786760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1350618370.81685.YahooMailNeo@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Alright. My time is up. Steven Sank was the individual( some thunknet microphone guy)  I shipped my second  Dragon to( cassette well damaged) in 2005. It arrived back
after warnings received from this forum (8 months or so later) (after I called him to return the deck) exactly as sent. All I lost was the shipping one way($43). He  seems to be lost his priorities in repairing Nak
decks. He spent $40 shipping the deck back to me at no cost to me. Gentlemanly of course. I would have preferred him to have not accepted the Dragon of mine at all.

Steven has lost  his focus on repairs of these decks. So lets move on.......

There are worse individuals claiming to repair and know nothing about the  r.e.p.a.i.r of repair.

Search the Naktalk archives and you'll see!

Be careful in who you choose.

In the USA, there are 2 individuals that are legit : Willy and ESL. Period.

Ram.




________________________________
 From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:54 PM
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording
 


Stephen Sank is great. He coached me, via an audio blog, on how to do
"microsurgery" on the mainboard of my Pioneer PDR-555RW CD Recorder/Player.
A leaky electrolytic cap damaged the circuit board and the damage was
virtually invisible to the naked eye. He knew exactly what was wrong, which
cap, and how to fix it. 

Aloha,
Cheryl

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of MD
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:07 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording

I'm sorry to say but the only good tech is still Stephen sank. ESL is
idiotically overpriced.

On 10/18/12, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
> First determine if the problem is with the record board which is easy, 
> inject a test tone into the input jacks and monitor the encoder out 
> and R116 and 216 on the main pcb. That will tell you if the rec dolby 
> board is working. All test tones during cal go thru that board. If 
> that's not working the unit will not cal. If signal is good at the 
> encoder out but bad at r116 or 216  check the output of the rec board 
> at CN-49 pins 2 and 4, if good the relays used for the external noise 
> reduction loop, RL301 and RL302 are bad, which happens a lot.
>
> Also is the 400hz oscillator working? Put the unit in source and turn 
> the 400hz on, meters should read 0dbm. Without the 400hz the unit will 
> not pass azimuth.
>
> One more thing, is it failing during the azimuth part of the cal or after?
>
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On 
> Behalf Of shanti ramachandran
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:38 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with 
> recording
>
> Willy Hermann is your man on the west coast. ESL on the east coast.
>
> Ram.
>
>

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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 19 05:55:59 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:55:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8McUqOFGVx7yZLT9Lf00yQY1f7QwVJT55PYfHfqMg7K==g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANCu8ZqZ4qrVfY0UT9R68ND0H5LACmiiUvqtyDsm7SCisXG8PA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689F9F6E@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
	<CANCu8ZoSKMERbzc2qwgriH_XDh++1TDYnwjvxt2UUxDYwH47pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB57E631-7E99-4661-B31E-0B5A3FE18F2C@yahoo.com>
	<CAM9V8McUqOFGVx7yZLT9Lf00yQY1f7QwVJT55PYfHfqMg7K==g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1350618959.57012.YahooMailNeo@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I am Willy's customer and have had many many decks ( Can not count anymore ) restored to glory by Willy. For the fees charged he is reasonable,  courteous, prompt and thorough with what he does. ( a great restoration)

I've had two 1000ZXLs restored by him( one with the Dragon DD capstan drive) to their full glory. One of them as you all know went around the globe 
and got mutilated. He fixed that one too to perfection.


I second Willy's below statement 100%. Period.

Ram. 


________________________________
 From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
 

I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but I beg to differ with Bala (who does not live in the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL rebuild in the US.  I have many customers quite happy with both my service capabilities and my rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I have even had a part manufactured to enable me to replace the unavailable relays which so often give trouble.  I don't, however, ship internationally so can not help the gentleman in the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in Steyning, West Sussex?  
Willy


On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:

If you are sending your deck to the US, ESL labs are the only ones for a full overhaul.
>
>
> This is slowly a topic for contention, but I believe it warrants another (friendly and insightful) thread. 
>
>
>Rgds
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 19 08:47:43 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:47:43 +1000
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
In-Reply-To: <1350618959.57012.YahooMailNeo@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <CANCu8ZqZ4qrVfY0UT9R68ND0H5LACmiiUvqtyDsm7SCisXG8PA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689F9F6E@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
	<CANCu8ZoSKMERbzc2qwgriH_XDh++1TDYnwjvxt2UUxDYwH47pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB57E631-7E99-4661-B31E-0B5A3FE18F2C@yahoo.com>
	<CAM9V8McUqOFGVx7yZLT9Lf00yQY1f7QwVJT55PYfHfqMg7K==g@mail.gmail.com>
	<1350618959.57012.YahooMailNeo@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B1BFC6A0-9A74-4A41-92FA-C9F32D4621CC@yahoo.com>

Hi, 

Whilst everyone has their preference, I think what matters most is the accessibility to parts as well as the thoroughness to servicing the entire decks. 

Whilst ESLs price may raise eyebrows, their thoroughness in servicing every part means they have very low instances of decks having issues after being overhauled. 

It's different from repair or simply servicing a deck but completely rebuilding it. Even the fine points of lubricants and technical updates are taken care of. This is a point to think because every single component has worked and worn for decades and needs work for it to work. Everything needs to be serviced to make a Dragon sound like a Dragon. 

I can't say the same for others although they do work that befits a persons expectations. I do believe we have to support every capable person including Willy. However we have to set our expectations right and not winge after getting the machines. 

Willy, I respect you for what you do and have congratulated you twice but with no response. I hope we can understand each other better rather than relying on the words of someone who used to speak and mail rather disparagingly about you. You and I have never known each other nor spoken unlike the other service guys with whom I have built up a rapport. 

I am open to anyone who wish to know me better. I do not wish to open up arguments here guys but we have this beaten this horse to death. 

Cheers 
> From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:10 PM
> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
> 
> I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but I beg to differ with Bala (who does not live in the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL rebuild in the US.  I have many customers quite happy with both my service capabilities and my rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I have even had a part manufactured to enable me to replace the unavailable relays which so often give trouble.  I don't, however, ship internationally so can not help the gentleman in the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in Steyning, West Sussex?  
> Willy
> 
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you are sending your deck to the US, ESL labs are the only ones for a full overhaul.
> 
>  This is slowly a topic for contention, but I believe it warrants another (friendly and insightful) thread. 
> 
> Rgds
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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From josephjean at verizon.net  Fri Oct 19 14:59:00 2012
From: josephjean at verizon.net (josephjean at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:59:00 -0400
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording
Message-ID: <0MC5004W25CYOGA0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>

You nailed it Cheryl!

-----Original Message-----

From:  Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
Subj:  RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording
Date:  Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:06 am
Size:  3K
To:  "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>


Willy Hermann and Perry Esposito are 2 of them, maybe Fred is the 3rd? 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Ashvin Srivastava
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:58 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording

Who are those Goodguy?

Ashvin

On Oct 18, 2012, at 3:32 PM, goodguy <josephjean at verizon.net> wrote:

> If I'm not mistaken, Sank went AWOL some years ago.
> 
> 
> There are three people on this board that I would not hesitate to work on
my Dragon should it ever need service.
> 
> 
> 
> At 03:07 PM 10/18/2012, you wrote:
>> I'm sorry to say but the only good tech is still Stephen sank. ESL is 
>> idiotically overpriced.
>> 
>> On 10/18/12, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
>> > First determine if the problem is with the record board which is 
>> > easy, inject a test tone into the input jacks and monitor the 
>> > encoder out and R116 and 216 on the main pcb. That will tell you if 
>> > the rec dolby board is working. All test tones during cal go thru 
>> > that board. If that's not working the unit will not cal. If signal 
>> > is good at the encoder out but bad at r116 or 216  check the output 
>> > of the rec board at CN-49 pins 2 and 4, if good the relays used for 
>> > the external noise reduction loop, RL301 and RL302 are bad, which
happens a lot.
>> >
>> > Also is the 400hz oscillator working? Put the unit in source and 
>> > turn the 400hz on, meters should read 0dbm. Without the 400hz the 
>> > unit will not pass azimuth.
>> >
>> > One more thing, is it failing during the azimuth part of the cal or
after?
>> >
>> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On 
>> > Behalf Of shanti ramachandran
>> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:38 AM
>> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> > Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with 
>> > recording
>> >
>> > Willy Hermann is your man on the west coast. ESL on the east coast.
>> >
>> > Ram.
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: nikolay nikolaev 
>> > <n.nikolaev at gmail.com<mailto:n.nikolaev at gmail.com>>
>> > To: naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:45 AM
>> > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
>> >
>> > Dear Friends,
>> > We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart 
>> > from recording.
>> > Our technician told us that the calibration of the type before 
>> > recording does not start and for this reasons recording is awful.
>> > Could you tell me who could repair this machine?
>> > Or who could help our technician to find the problem?
>> > Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair  Nakamichi 
>> > 1000, but for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.
>> > Thanks in advamce.
>> > Nikolay
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 19 16:06:29 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 07:06:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
In-Reply-To: <COL107-W2086BBAB97C59571D01A3DC9760@phx.gbl>
References: <201210151002.q9FA05Mp015095@zxe.naks.com>,
	<COL107-W26AD8EC39F58FC806B4035C9770@phx.gbl>,
	<COL107-W209D1241B399A066A03FCDC9760@phx.gbl>
	<COL107-W2086BBAB97C59571D01A3DC9760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1350655589.49276.YahooMailNeo@web112705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Willy, could you please answer Soumitra's question below? Thanks.

Ram.


________________________________
 From: s b <noneyhoney at hotmail.com>
To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:43 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
 

 


 
Hi Ram, 
well, yesterday it played one tape fully till the end with no stoppages (both sides), and another i was testing today had the stoppage problem. I opened the mechanism and de-greased and lubed the reel motor. Im wondering if adjusting the torque would have any effect. I dont have a torque gauge so Im assuming lowering the speed (via the VR) would increase torque or would it be increasing the speed ?
Also, i wonder if a general tape/CD motor (of similar dimensions and screw hole positions) from the market would be a working replacement if in case of dead spots ?
Thanks and regards
Soumitra
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Fri Oct 19 02:11:44 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:11:44 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
References: <SNT127-W357F916659DF4D6B7AECFDDF760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002301cdad8e$54211d30$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

Peter, sounds like a problem with the ground.

Cheers,
Rainer
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peter Tanner 
  To: naktalk naktalk 
  Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:02 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] 482Z


  Hi everybody,

  Seem to be having an ongoing problem with a 482Z. The two green secondary wires from the transformer produce the voltage necessary, 14 volts or actually a little higher, to run the transport and the rest. However the transport only comes alive if one of them is grounded. Then the voltage on the other will jump up and the deck functions but the transformer will overheat eventually. Playback is OK but in the record mode there is some hum. The IC 401 (the regulator) and 2 filter caps C401 C402 have been replaced. The deck is 240 Volts. I am not sure what else can go wrong in the power supply but there is obviously something wrong. If anyone has an idea please let me know.

  Best regards to all

  Peter






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From adrian at mechner.net  Fri Oct 19 04:32:44 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:32:44 -0700
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
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References: <CANCu8ZqZ4qrVfY0UT9R68ND0H5LACmiiUvqtyDsm7SCisXG8PA@mail.gmail.com>	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689F9F6E@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>	<CANCu8ZoSKMERbzc2qwgriH_XDh++1TDYnwjvxt2UUxDYwH47pg@mail.gmail.com>	<DB57E631-7E99-4661-B31E-0B5A3FE18F2C@yahoo.com>
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I totally agree with Willy. Even so I did not have a 1000ZXL to have rebuild
with Willy, I would say he is indeed a great guy, knows exactly what he is
doing and his rates are fantastic. I'm not going to disclose them if Willy
does not do that himself, but Willy is the way to go, even if you're on East
Coast.

I can do the international shipping if you decide to send it over to Willy
(for free of course). You send it over to me and I send it to Willy for you
and then back home.

 

Adrian

 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Willy Hermann
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:11 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording

 

I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but I beg to differ with Bala
(who does not live in the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL rebuild in
the US.  I have many customers quite happy with both my service capabilities
and my rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I have even had a part
manufactured to enable me to replace the unavailable relays which so often
give trouble.  I don't, however, ship internationally so can not help the
gentleman in the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in Steyning, West
Sussex?  

Willy

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:

If you are sending your deck to the US, ESL labs are the only ones for a
full overhaul.

 

 This is slowly a topic for contention, but I believe it warrants another
(friendly and insightful) thread. 

 

Rgds


Sent from my iPhone


On 19/10/2012, at 3:32 AM, nikolay nikolaev <n.nikolaev at gmail.com> wrote:

I am living in UK

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com>
wrote:

Where do you live?

 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of nikolay nikolaev
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:46 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording

 

Dear Friends,

We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart from
recording.

Our technician told us that the calibration of the type before recording
does not start

and for this reasons recording is awful.

Could you tell me who could repair this machine?

Or who could help our technician to find the problem?

Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair  Nakamichi 1000, but
for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.

Thanks in advamce.

Nikolay

  


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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 19 09:46:06 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:46:06 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Unintentional Email Sent
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i really don´t think anyone minds.. but it was an unexpected change of topic  :) pieterdeutschland
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:51:43 -0600
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I aplogize if anyone received an email with the title 'tw a'.
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From vidguy_me at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 19 10:25:04 2012
From: vidguy_me at hotmail.com (vidguy vidguy)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:25:04 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
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	<DB57E631-7E99-4661-B31E-0B5A3FE18F2C@yahoo.com>,
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Perry in Virginia did a wonderful job rebuilding my very abused Dragon (Broken transport back plane - someone had forced the pinch roller arm mounts through the back plane, making them unstable, pinch roller arm chewed up, missing parts, ect)

He's got all the right factory gauges and tools, I have no reservation of recommending him.

I plan on sending him my 682ZX and ZX-7 as well. 

Mike
 		 	   		  
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Fri Oct 19 19:41:32 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:41:32 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
In-Reply-To: <1350655589.49276.YahooMailNeo@web112705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <201210151002.q9FA05Mp015095@zxe.naks.com>
	<COL107-W26AD8EC39F58FC806B4035C9770@phx.gbl>
	<COL107-W209D1241B399A066A03FCDC9760@phx.gbl>
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The spooling motor is frequently the cause of such problems.  I have had
some but little luck rebuilding these motors by disassembling them,
cleaning the brushes and armature and relubing the bearings.  I had a great
direct replacement from JVC I was using but they discontinued it last year
and I have been unable to come up with a good sub since.  Anybody jump in
here - please!  BTW, the lower the voltage to the spooling motor the lower
the torque to the the tape.
Willy

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:06 AM, shanti ramachandran <
shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Willy, could you please answer Soumitra's question below? Thanks.
>
> Ram.
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* s b <noneyhoney at hotmail.com>
> *To:* "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:43 AM
> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
>
>
>  Hi Ram,
> well, yesterday it played one tape fully till the end with no stoppages
> (both sides), and another i was testing today had the stoppage problem. I
> opened the mechanism and de-greased and lubed the reel motor. Im
> wondering if adjusting the torque would have any effect. I dont have a
> torque gauge so Im assuming lowering the speed (via the VR) would increase
> torque or would it be increasing the speed ?
> Also, i wonder if a general tape/CD motor (of similar dimensions and screw
> hole positions) from the market would be a working replacement if in case
> of dead spots ?
> Thanks and regards
> Soumitra
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 19 19:59:12 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:59:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
In-Reply-To: <000c01cdada2$058b39d0$10a1ad70$@net>
References: <CANCu8ZqZ4qrVfY0UT9R68ND0H5LACmiiUvqtyDsm7SCisXG8PA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689F9F6E@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
	<CANCu8ZoSKMERbzc2qwgriH_XDh++1TDYnwjvxt2UUxDYwH47pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB57E631-7E99-4661-B31E-0B5A3FE18F2C@yahoo.com>
	<CAM9V8McUqOFGVx7yZLT9Lf00yQY1f7QwVJT55PYfHfqMg7K==g@mail.gmail.com>
	<000c01cdada2$058b39d0$10a1ad70$@net>
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Willy indeed is a great guy as Adrian states below. I am in the east coast and have sent many a deck to Willy for repairs/restores. I have met him and had lunch with him last fall
in his home town. I commend you Adrian for the shipping offer to foreigners.
He is a gentleman and a superbly capable tech for Naks.

Ram.


________________________________
 From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:32 PM
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
 

I totally agree with Willy. Even so I did not have a 1000ZXL to have rebuild with Willy, I would say he is indeed a great guy, knows exactly what he is doing and his rates are fantastic. I’m not going to disclose them if Willy does not do that himself, but Willy is the way to go, even if you’re on East Coast.
I can do the international shipping if you decide to send it over to Willy (for free of course). You send it over to me and I send it to Willy for you and then back home.
 
Adrian
 
 
From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:11 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
 
I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but I beg to differ with Bala (who does not live in the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL rebuild in the US.  I have many customers quite happy with both my service capabilities and my rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I have even had a part manufactured to enable me to replace the unavailable relays which so often give trouble.  I don't, however, ship internationally so can not help the gentleman in the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in Steyning, West Sussex?  
Willy
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:
If you are sending your deck to the US, ESL labs are the only ones for a full overhaul.
 
 This is slowly a topic for contention, but I believe it warrants another (friendly and insightful) thread. 
 
Rgds

Sent from my iPhone

On 19/10/2012, at 3:32 AM, nikolay nikolaev <n.nikolaev at gmail.com> wrote:
I am living in UK
>On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
>Where do you live?
> 
> 
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 19 20:17:03 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:17:03 -1000
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP252BE3892EDD21772A3B28186750@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP200E7ED05239E58B5C46A7086750@phx.gbl>


 
Reply from Stephen:

"Yes, still here.  I stopped participating in the naktalk forum due to it
causing me to get too darn inundated with work.  But I do still service Nak
decks, all the time, and it's not as if I'm hard to find(can it get easier
than stephensank.com?)."


IMHO, from some of the complaints that I read on various blogs it appears
that Stephen tends to over-commit and then can't keep up.

Aloha,
Cheryl

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Kaupp
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:06 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording


 
BTW, I just posted on that thread and asked if Stephen is still hanging
around and if he still works on Naks. I'll let you know if I get a response.

Aloha,
Cheryl


-----Original Message-----
From: Cheryl Kaupp [mailto:kaupp240 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:53 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording


Here's a thread on the DIYAUDIO blog -- he posted in May 2012 in this
thread.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/19164-please-help-fixing-pione
er-pdr-555rw-9.html#post3195431 


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of josephjean at verizon.net
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:46 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording


Is he still around?

You don't see him on eBay either.




From josephjean at verizon.net  Fri Oct 19 22:15:40 2012
From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:15:40 -0400
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with  recording
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I lived on east coast and would send my Dragon to Willy also.


At 01:59 PM 10/19/2012, you wrote:
>Willy indeed is a great guy as Adrian states 
>below. I am in the east coast and have sent many 
>a deck to Willy for repairs/restores. I have met 
>him and had lunch with him last fall
>in his home town. I commend you Adrian for the shipping offer to foreigners.
>He is a gentleman and a superbly capable tech for Naks.
>
>Ram.
>
>
>From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
>To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:32 PM
>Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
>
>I totally agree with Willy. Even so I did not 
>have a 1000ZXL to have rebuild with Willy, I 
>would say he is indeed a great guy, knows 
>exactly what he is doing and his rates are 
>fantastic. I’m not going to disclose them if 
>Willy does not do that himself, but Willy is the 
>way to go, even if you’re on East Coast.
>I can do the international shipping if you 
>decide to send it over to Willy (for free of 
>course). You send it over to me and I send it to 
>Willy for you and then back home.
>
>Adrian
>
>
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 
>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann
>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:11 PM
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
>
>I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but 
>I beg to differ with Bala (who does not live in 
>the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL 
>rebuild in the US.  I have many customers quite 
>happy with both my service capabilities and my 
>rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I 
>have even had a part manufactured to enable me 
>to replace the unavailable relays which so often 
>give trouble.  I don't, however, ship 
>internationally so can not help the gentleman in 
>the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in Steyning, West Sussex?
>Willy
>On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Bala Ganesh 
><<mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com>bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>If you are sending your deck to the US, ESL labs 
>are the only ones for a full overhaul.
>
>  This is slowly a topic for contention, but I 
> believe it warrants another (friendly and insightful) thread.
>
>Rgds
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On 19/10/2012, at 3:32 AM, nikolay nikolaev 
><<mailto:n.nikolaev at gmail.com>n.nikolaev at gmail.com> wrote:
>I am living in UK
>On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Garner, Scott 
>H <<mailto:scott.h.garner at lmco.com>scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
>Where do you live?
>
>
>
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Fri Oct 19 22:26:27 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:26:27 -0300
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Unintentional Email Sent
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I must admit that I am more knowledgeable now about teeth whitening in spite of the fact that my wife is a dentist... and thank you for the good laugh! No need to apologize and thank you for the clarification!!!

 

Best regards to all of you!

 

Rodrigo Krause

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de pieter rodgers
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 19 de outubro de 2012 04:46
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: RE: [naktalk] Unintentional Email Sent

 

i really don´t think anyone minds.. but it was an unexpected change of topic  :)
 
pieter
deutschland
 

________________________________

From: mark8559 at hotmail.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:51:43 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Unintentional Email Sent

 
I aplogize if anyone received an email with the title 'tw a'.
I had no intention or knowledge that I sent it.


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From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se  Sat Oct 20 12:56:44 2012
From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 12:56:44 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
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Hi all!

The original Sankyo partnumber including the rubber wheel mechanism is BFS9B03 and is manufactured by Mabuchi.

I think that Mabuchi partnumber RF-500TB-12560 could be a good substitute (I have never tried them though).
They are also easily found on Ebay. If you compare the data sheet (attached) for this motor and compare it with the text I
found on a french forum (also attached) you can see that they look rather similar.

Good luck/Pelle.



From: Willy Hermann 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 7:41 PM
To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage

The spooling motor is frequently the cause of such problems.  I have had some but little luck rebuilding these motors by disassembling them, cleaning the brushes and armature and relubing the bearings.  I had a great direct replacement from JVC I was using but they discontinued it last year and I have been unable to come up with a good sub since.  Anybody jump in here - please!  BTW, the lower the voltage to the spooling motor the lower the torque to the the tape. 
Willy


On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:06 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

  Willy, could you please answer Soumitra's question below? Thanks.


  Ram.


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  Hi Ram, 
  well, yesterday it played one tape fully till the end with no stoppages (both sides), and another i was testing today had the stoppage problem. I opened the mechanism and de-greased and lubed the reel motor. Im wondering if adjusting the torque would have any effect. I dont have a torque gauge so Im assuming lowering the speed (via the VR) would increase torque or would it be increasing the speed ?
  Also, i wonder if a general tape/CD motor (of similar dimensions and screw hole positions) from the market would be a working replacement if in case of dead spots ?
  Thanks and regards
  Soumitra

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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Sat Oct 20 14:02:15 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:02:15 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Unintentional email sent
Message-ID: <l6mjw4e0bj02jqlwxc6nqn01.1350734535117@email.android.com>

At least when your account got spoofed it was only teeth whitening. When mine got compromised it was for male enhancement products! 




Sent from my NOOK



From spok2000 at gmx.de  Sat Oct 20 14:19:07 2012
From: spok2000 at gmx.de (spok2000 at gmx.de)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:19:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] What is it with Americans not shipping internationally
	and Nak service in Europe.
In-Reply-To: <201210201026.q9KA8DDh006401@zxe.naks.com>
References: <201210201026.q9KA8DDh006401@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <C94BA302-911F-46F4-ADD4-F6F7EFDBD688@gmx.de>

Hi guys, hi Willy-

what is it with Americans not shipping internationally ? No offense meant - but you can see this ever so often on ebay as well.
Which I understand to a certain extent, because there you have to face the risk that shipping times of USPS sometimes can make customers a bit nervous and they leave you with a bad rating.

But in this case with a dedicated demand for service ? Come on.

What is the reason that more often than not Americans won't ship internationally ?
It is basically the exact same thing like shipping to Utah or Hawaii, and what stops you to put the hour you spend at the USPS office for the customs papers on the overall bill ?
It certainly works - I receive goods from the US all the time.
A halfway reasonable adressee easily understands that he has to go through customs in the destination country and won't complain about it.

But anyway...it is Europe, not sooo no-man's-land as well.

So forget B&W. They sometimes are really friendly and helpful sending out a copied SM, but that's more or less about all they can do.

But we do have a cool and extremely capable tech in Germany though. I won't tell the rates here but they are certainly very reasonable.
A friend of mine is one of the two biggest Technics vintage collectors worldwide and he brings over all of the SE-A1/SU-A2 monsters (he's got more than one) and extreme rarities like japanese prototypes for audio fairs (a storage full of it) to this guy.
And EU shipping from GB to DE doesn't even induce customs hassle as well. Heck, you could even step on the ferry and bring it yourself if you're paranoid.

Please don't hesitate to get back to me if you like to contact him: spok at thespok.com

Good Luck anyway !

Best,
spok

On 20.10.2012, at 12:26, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:

> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of Willy Hermann
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:11 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
> 
> 
> I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but I beg to differ with Bala
> (who does not live in the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL rebuild in
> the US.  I have many customers quite happy with both my service capabilities
> and my rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I have even had a part
> manufactured to enable me to replace the unavailable relays which so often
> give trouble.  I don't, however, ship internationally so can not help the
> gentleman in the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in Steyning, West
> Sussex?  
> 
> Willy

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 20 16:16:50 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:16:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
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Peter,

Your question is a bit confusing... In my schematic of the 482Z I see the power transformer 
has two secondary windings: 26VAC (that go to a bridge -- neither wire should even touch 

ground) and 5VAC (one side of which indeed goes to ground).

Do make sure you understand how your transformer is connected before experimenting with 

ground connections. You could blow the transformer -- an expensive component. You'll be 

better off having the deck looked at by a professional.

Good luck,

-- Ron









>________________________________
> From: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>
>To: naktalk naktalk <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:02 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] 482Z
> 
>
> 
>Hi everybody,
>
>Seem to be having an ongoing problem with a 482Z. The two green secondary wires from the transformer produce the voltage necessary, 14 volts or actually a little higher, to run the transport and the rest. However the transport only comes alive if one of them is grounded. Then the voltage on the other will jump up and the deck functions but the transformer will overheat eventually. Playback is OK but in the record mode there is some hum. The IC 401 (the regulator) and 2 filter caps C401 C402 have been replaced. The deck is 240 Volts. I am not sure what else can go wrong in the power supply but there is obviously something wrong. If anyone has an idea please let me know.
>
>Best regards to all
>
>Peter
> 
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From r1seals at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 20 16:31:34 2012
From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:31:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP200E7ED05239E58B5C46A7086750@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1350743494.20603.YahooMailClassic@web140501.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Stephen is a truly a good guy and I have gone through the archives and read all his  post and am sorry that some people have lost things to him.
 that being said he has done me right on the BX-300 that I sent him for calibration and just a lot of fun to talk to,he  sure knows his way around the naks.

Russ 

--- On Fri, 10/19/12, Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, October 19, 2012, 1:17 PM


 
Reply from Stephen:

"Yes, still here.  I stopped participating in the naktalk forum due to it
causing me to get too darn inundated with work.  But I do still service Nak
decks, all the time, and it's not as if I'm hard to find(can it get easier
than stephensank.com?)."


IMHO, from some of the complaints that I read on various blogs it appears
that Stephen tends to over-commit and then can't keep up.

Aloha,
Cheryl

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Kaupp
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:06 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording


 
BTW, I just posted on that thread and asked if Stephen is still hanging
around and if he still works on Naks. I'll let you know if I get a response.

Aloha,
Cheryl


-----Original Message-----
From: Cheryl Kaupp [mailto:kaupp240 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:53 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording


Here's a thread on the DIYAUDIO blog -- he posted in May 2012 in this
thread.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/19164-please-help-fixing-pione
er-pdr-555rw-9.html#post3195431 


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Of josephjean at verizon.net
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:46 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording


Is he still around?

You don't see him on eBay either.


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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Sat Oct 20 16:34:28 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 16:34:28 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL no record  from Nikolay 
Message-ID: <888FE3A9-9AAD-46C2-9615-4A51C8019433@gmail.com>

Hi, Nikolay,

If you are lucky your ZXL has only bad PP- capacitors in the Bias  
Oscillator.

First always check the connectors from REC. amp, and rec, equalizer amp.
Including the Connectors to the main PCB.

Than look on the  CPU B if  the rec. signal is coming to the  CPU.

You find that on BM1 and BM2

  Next  I would check the Bias on this Deck.

If there is any bias.

If there is no Bias the  record sounds very poor.
  little record  will be only when full Rec. Level, but very  bad sound.


If this Deck does not  create any Bias, it can be the complicated,  
and big,  auto Bias  CMOS logic on the CPU.
That is a "very big city " to find what should be happened.

The ZXL CPU is remembering the  changeable  parameters on  
equalization and BIAS.

The ZXL is doing that with Binary UP/Down Counter´s ,  and with 7- 
segment Decoder / Driver C-MOS IC, and more.

Or the 4-bit Latch IC TC4508, some of them are sensitive to static  
electricity.

That means it is better to wore cotton, not plastic, if somebody is  
working in the two CPU PCB´s.

Your technician needs somebody who  knows something about digital  
logic circuits.

regards

Gerhard


From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 20 16:37:00 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:37:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
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References: <201210151002.q9FA05Mp015095@zxe.naks.com>,
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	<COL107-W209D1241B399A066A03FCDC9760@phx.gbl>
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Soumitra,

Nak's naming of the adjustment is confusing. It isn't a speed adjustment, it's actually 

a torque adjustment. Adjusting in the direction of higher "speed" increases the torque. 
Be aware that if your problem is a faulty reel motor, increasing the torque is an iffy 

and temporary solution. Increasing torque too much is mot a good idea. OTOH, if 

the problem is incorrect torque, then adjusting it correctly is exactly what you should 

do. 

I would play a cassette that has caused the problem just before the end of the 

cassette. If the problem appears, I would increase torque by a very small amount. 

I would repeat this procedure again and again, until the cassette reliably plays 

without stopping before the end. If at that point the voltage applied to the reel 

motor during play is too high (say, above about 4VDC) I would consider replacing 

the motor.


Also, I am not sure what you mean by 'de-greasing' the motor. The idea is to clean
the brushes and all segments of the commutator, then lightly lubricate the bearings. 

-- Ron



>________________________________
>
>From: s b <noneyhoney at hotmail.com>
>To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:43 AM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
> 
>
> 
>
>
> 
>Hi Ram, 
>well, yesterday it played one tape fully till the end with no stoppages (both sides), and another i was testing today had the stoppage problem. I opened the mechanism and de-greased and lubed the reel motor. Im wondering if adjusting the torque would have any effect. I dont have a torque gauge so Im assuming lowering the speed (via the VR) would increase torque or would it be increasing the speed ?
>Also, i wonder if a general tape/CD motor (of similar dimensions and screw hole positions) from the market would be a working replacement if in case of dead spots ?
>Thanks and regards
>Soumitra
>
>
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 20 16:53:41 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:53:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8MdG=BQpSMthMByeS=9Gg8JqzU_2VBnkSM3vTJxUPydxXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201210151002.q9FA05Mp015095@zxe.naks.com>
	<COL107-W26AD8EC39F58FC806B4035C9770@phx.gbl>
	<COL107-W209D1241B399A066A03FCDC9760@phx.gbl>
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Willy, 


I've had good luck with a slightly smaller Mabuchi motor (don't recall the 

model number), that I got quite a few of. It requires reworking the mounting 

holes, but otherwise fits well in Sankyo DD transports. FF and REW are a 

bit slower, but, OTOH, since these are new (pulled out of new equipment) 

they should last a long time. 


The job takes about the same time as replacing with an original motor, except 

for the need to slot the mounting holes -- about 15 minutes after doing it the 

second time  :-)  . To me, it's worth it because of the rotten luck I've had with 

rebuilding reel motors, when all the work was for nothing.


-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>To: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
> 
>
>The spooling motor is frequently the cause of such problems.  I have had some but little luck rebuilding these motors by disassembling them, cleaning the brushes and armature and relubing the bearings.  I had a great direct replacement from JVC I was using but they discontinued it last year and I have been unable to come up with a good sub since.  Anybody jump in here - please!  BTW, the lower the voltage to the spooling motor the lower the torque to the the tape.
>Willy
>
>
>On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:06 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Willy, could you please answer Soumitra's question below? Thanks.
>>
>>
>>Ram.
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: s b <noneyhoney at hotmail.com>
>>To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
>>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:43 AM
>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi Ram, 
>>well, yesterday it played one tape fully till the end with no stoppages (both sides), and another i was testing today had the stoppage problem. I opened the mechanism and de-greased and lubed the reel motor. Im wondering if adjusting the torque would have any effect. I dont have a torque gauge so Im assuming lowering the speed (via the VR) would increase torque or would it be increasing the speed ?
>>Also, i wonder if a general tape/CD motor (of similar dimensions and screw hole positions) from the market would be a working replacement if in case of dead spots ?
>>Thanks and regards
>>Soumitra
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 20 17:06:13 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:06:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP200E7ED05239E58B5C46A7086750@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP252BE3892EDD21772A3B28186750@phx.gbl>
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I concur. 

Years ago, Stephen went over my newly acquired CR-7. He had all the 
required gauges and tools and did an excellent job. Soon after, he fixed 
my Toshiba SV-F990 (a super advanced VCR) and managed to fix the 
transport after two Toshiba service centers tried to, but botched the job, 
big time. 

IIRC, Stephen charged less than the Toshiba "gurus" that screwed the 
deck up. BTW, I never bought another Toshiba product again. 

-- Ron








>________________________________
> From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
>To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:17 PM
>Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording
> 
>
>
>Reply from Stephen:
>
>"Yes, still here.  I stopped participating in the naktalk forum due to it
>causing me to get too darn inundated with work.  But I do still service Nak
>decks, all the time, and it's not as if I'm hard to find(can it get easier
>than stephensank.com?)."
>
>
>IMHO, from some of the complaints that I read on various blogs it appears
>that Stephen tends to over-commit and then can't keep up.
>
>Aloha,
>Cheryl
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
>Of Cheryl Kaupp
>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:06 PM
>To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
>Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
>withrecording
>
>
>
>BTW, I just posted on that thread and asked if Stephen is still hanging
>around and if he still works on Naks. I'll let you know if I get a response.
>
>Aloha,
>Cheryl
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cheryl Kaupp [mailto:kaupp240 at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:53 PM
>To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
>Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
>withrecording
>
>
>Here's a thread on the DIYAUDIO blog -- he posted in May 2012 in this
>thread.
>
>http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/19164-please-help-fixing-pione
>er-pdr-555rw-9.html#post3195431 
>
>
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>Of josephjean at verizon.net
>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:46 PM
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
>withrecording
>
>
>Is he still around?
>
>You don't see him on eBay either.
>
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Sat Oct 20 20:51:10 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:51:10 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] What is it with Americans not shipping internationally
	and Nak service in Europe.
In-Reply-To: <C94BA302-911F-46F4-ADD4-F6F7EFDBD688@gmx.de>
References: <201210201026.q9KA8DDh006401@zxe.naks.com>
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My reasons for not shipping internationally are two fold:
1.  It's a huge time waster for which no one wants to pay me.  It takes
generally an extra hour or more to fill out all the paperwork, go down the
the post office, stand in line and get a unit shipped.  This is in
comparison to printing out a UPS label, taping it on a box and handing it
to the driver when he goes by daily.
2.  I've had far more shipping damage internationally and NO ONE want to
take responsibility.  USPS will say it was the foreign carrier and vice
versa.  I always assume responsibility in order to keep happy clients so
it's always on my head.
I'm not being xenophobic, just realistic.
Willy

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 5:19 AM, spok2000 at gmx.de <spok2000 at gmx.de> wrote:

> Hi guys, hi Willy-
>
> what is it with Americans not shipping internationally ? No offense meant
> - but you can see this ever so often on ebay as well.
> Which I understand to a certain extent, because there you have to face the
> risk that shipping times of USPS sometimes can make customers a bit nervous
> and they leave you with a bad rating.
>
> But in this case with a dedicated demand for service ? Come on.
>
> What is the reason that more often than not Americans won't ship
> internationally ?
> It is basically the exact same thing like shipping to Utah or Hawaii, and
> what stops you to put the hour you spend at the USPS office for the customs
> papers on the overall bill ?
> It certainly works - I receive goods from the US all the time.
> A halfway reasonable adressee easily understands that he has to go through
> customs in the destination country and won't complain about it.
>
> But anyway...it is Europe, not sooo no-man's-land as well.
>
> So forget B&W. They sometimes are really friendly and helpful sending out
> a copied SM, but that's more or less about all they can do.
>
> But we do have a cool and extremely capable tech in Germany though. I
> won't tell the rates here but they are certainly very reasonable.
> A friend of mine is one of the two biggest Technics vintage collectors
> worldwide and he brings over all of the SE-A1/SU-A2 monsters (he's got more
> than one) and extreme rarities like japanese prototypes for audio fairs (a
> storage full of it) to this guy.
> And EU shipping from GB to DE doesn't even induce customs hassle as well.
> Heck, you could even step on the ferry and bring it yourself if you're
> paranoid.
>
> Please don't hesitate to get back to me if you like to contact him:
> spok at thespok.com
>
> Good Luck anyway !
>
> Best,
> spok
>
> On 20.10.2012, at 12:26, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:
>
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Willy Hermann
> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:11 PM
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with
> recording
> >
> >
> > I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but I beg to differ with
> Bala
> > (who does not live in the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL rebuild
> in
> > the US.  I have many customers quite happy with both my service
> capabilities
> > and my rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I have even had a
> part
> > manufactured to enable me to replace the unavailable relays which so
> often
> > give trouble.  I don't, however, ship internationally so can not help the
> > gentleman in the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in Steyning, West
> > Sussex?
> >
> > Willy
>
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From daniel.botelho at gmail.com  Sat Oct 20 16:35:51 2012
From: daniel.botelho at gmail.com (Daniel Botelho)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:35:51 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] What is it with Americans not shipping internationally
	and Nak service in Europe.
In-Reply-To: <C94BA302-911F-46F4-ADD4-F6F7EFDBD688@gmx.de>
References: <201210201026.q9KA8DDh006401@zxe.naks.com>
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I think that shipping costs pretty much kill the deal at that point.

I live in canada, and anytime i have to ship a decent sized box to the
uk/asia, it is minimum $200.  I shipped a scanner to france for $450, and a
few amps over to australia for $300-400.

I dont know why, but shipping costs are incredibly expensive...which is why
us guys wont ship international. It is just as bad in canada.  :(
On Oct 20, 2012 10:26 AM, "spok2000 at gmx.de" <spok2000 at gmx.de> wrote:

> Hi guys, hi Willy-
>
> what is it with Americans not shipping internationally ? No offense meant
> - but you can see this ever so often on ebay as well.
> Which I understand to a certain extent, because there you have to face the
> risk that shipping times of USPS sometimes can make customers a bit nervous
> and they leave you with a bad rating.
>
> But in this case with a dedicated demand for service ? Come on.
>
> What is the reason that more often than not Americans won't ship
> internationally ?
> It is basically the exact same thing like shipping to Utah or Hawaii, and
> what stops you to put the hour you spend at the USPS office for the customs
> papers on the overall bill ?
> It certainly works - I receive goods from the US all the time.
> A halfway reasonable adressee easily understands that he has to go through
> customs in the destination country and won't complain about it.
>
> But anyway...it is Europe, not sooo no-man's-land as well.
>
> So forget B&W. They sometimes are really friendly and helpful sending out
> a copied SM, but that's more or less about all they can do.
>
> But we do have a cool and extremely capable tech in Germany though. I
> won't tell the rates here but they are certainly very reasonable.
> A friend of mine is one of the two biggest Technics vintage collectors
> worldwide and he brings over all of the SE-A1/SU-A2 monsters (he's got more
> than one) and extreme rarities like japanese prototypes for audio fairs (a
> storage full of it) to this guy.
> And EU shipping from GB to DE doesn't even induce customs hassle as well.
> Heck, you could even step on the ferry and bring it yourself if you're
> paranoid.
>
> Please don't hesitate to get back to me if you like to contact him:
> spok at thespok.com
>
> Good Luck anyway !
>
> Best,
> spok
>
> On 20.10.2012, at 12:26, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:
>
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Willy Hermann
> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:11 PM
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with
> recording
> >
> >
> > I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but I beg to differ with
> Bala
> > (who does not live in the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL rebuild
> in
> > the US.  I have many customers quite happy with both my service
> capabilities
> > and my rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I have even had a
> part
> > manufactured to enable me to replace the unavailable relays which so
> often
> > give trouble.  I don't, however, ship internationally so can not help the
> > gentleman in the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in Steyning, West
> > Sussex?
> >
> > Willy
>
>
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From adrian at mechner.net  Sat Oct 20 18:23:03 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:23:03 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] What is it with Americans not shipping internationally
	and Nak service in Europe.
In-Reply-To: <C94BA302-911F-46F4-ADD4-F6F7EFDBD688@gmx.de>
References: <201210201026.q9KA8DDh006401@zxe.naks.com>
	<C94BA302-911F-46F4-ADD4-F6F7EFDBD688@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <D97163E4-7E05-49CB-AE4B-25E0838F3686@mechner.net>

Let me answer that,if I may. I ship my turntables worldwide, however there is a little bit more to it; you need to fill out customs forms and you need to provide weight up to the oz and so on. On the other hand, shipping intrenationally on regular basis will get you a certain flag with the IRS, which most americans would like to avoid. There is more to it: I once shipper a turntable to Argentina and the customs there opened it up and looked inside and packed it back as if it was a pair of shoes. It arrived with severe damage at my buyer. He was intelligent enough and a decent person, not to blaim me for that, however it was a bad experience.
On the other hand, I experienced a LOT of sellers from wherever in Europe, who don't ship to the US, not even after contacting them and showing willingnes to pay extra. I was desperatly looking for a Thorens TP-63 arm wand and the guy in Germany didn't even want to talk about shipping out of Europe (how stupid is that). I recently got some ISOKINETIK arm wire from England and it took 20 days from London to Seattle...
As a conclusion there would be some reasons for someone to avoid trouble, however, I am not one of those not shipping worldwide.

Adrian

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 20, 2012, at 5:19 AM, "spok2000 at gmx.de" <spok2000 at gmx.de> wrote:

> Hi guys, hi Willy-
> 
> what is it with Americans not shipping internationally ? No offense meant - but you can see this ever so often on ebay as well.
> Which I understand to a certain extent, because there you have to face the risk that shipping times of USPS sometimes can make customers a bit nervous and they leave you with a bad rating.
> 
> But in this case with a dedicated demand for service ? Come on.
> 
> What is the reason that more often than not Americans won't ship internationally ?
> It is basically the exact same thing like shipping to Utah or Hawaii, and what stops you to put the hour you spend at the USPS office for the customs papers on the overall bill ?
> It certainly works - I receive goods from the US all the time.
> A halfway reasonable adressee easily understands that he has to go through customs in the destination country and won't complain about it.
> 
> But anyway...it is Europe, not sooo no-man's-land as well.
> 
> So forget B&W. They sometimes are really friendly and helpful sending out a copied SM, but that's more or less about all they can do.
> 
> But we do have a cool and extremely capable tech in Germany though. I won't tell the rates here but they are certainly very reasonable.
> A friend of mine is one of the two biggest Technics vintage collectors worldwide and he brings over all of the SE-A1/SU-A2 monsters (he's got more than one) and extreme rarities like japanese prototypes for audio fairs (a storage full of it) to this guy.
> And EU shipping from GB to DE doesn't even induce customs hassle as well. Heck, you could even step on the ferry and bring it yourself if you're paranoid.
> 
> Please don't hesitate to get back to me if you like to contact him: spok at thespok.com
> 
> Good Luck anyway !
> 
> Best,
> spok
> 
> On 20.10.2012, at 12:26, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:
> 
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
>> Of Willy Hermann
>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:11 PM
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
>> 
>> 
>> I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but I beg to differ with Bala
>> (who does not live in the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL rebuild in
>> the US.  I have many customers quite happy with both my service capabilities
>> and my rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I have even had a part
>> manufactured to enable me to replace the unavailable relays which so often
>> give trouble.  I don't, however, ship internationally so can not help the
>> gentleman in the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in Steyning, West
>> Sussex?  
>> 
>> Willy
> 
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From chris.rinewalt at gmail.com  Sat Oct 20 21:04:59 2012
From: chris.rinewalt at gmail.com (Chris Rinewalt)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 12:04:59 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] What is it with Americans not shipping internationally
	and Nak service in Europe.
In-Reply-To: <C94BA302-911F-46F4-ADD4-F6F7EFDBD688@gmx.de>
References: <201210201026.q9KA8DDh006401@zxe.naks.com>
	<C94BA302-911F-46F4-ADD4-F6F7EFDBD688@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <CAN--VjqK1-T5crheCk0AfVzyVCJU5tFkx0Kj_=KQSD1+pNy8Zw@mail.gmail.com>

I can't speak for Willy, but it's simply cost and inconvenience. I
won't (and don't) ship anything over $10 US without insurance AND
tracking, and that includes domestic mail. As a seller on ebay, if I
ship without insurance and the USPS loses/damages 1 package (or I sell
to an unscupulous buyer who claims they never received and the package
doesn't have tracking) and I have to pay out on it (due to the strict
ebay/paypal rules that give all the power to the buyer if an item is
not received or is damaged) then that negates the profit on a number
of additional sales. Now amplify that to the value of a Nak deck. The
USPS has, sadly, raised rates and changed services over the past few
years. There is only 1 mailing service which allows a sender to
purchase insurance for a large item valued over $500 US, Global
Express Guaranteed, which as you can imagine is the quickest and most
expensive service. For example, to ship a Dragon from the US to
Germany, valued at an average of $700 US, total shipping cost would be
about $175 US, or 25% of the item cost. Now, I imagine there are those
who would happily pay that for certain decks, most would not.

In my case, I simply choose not to offer shipping outside of the US
because I don't want to have to answer a seemingly endless amount of
questions like 'How much is shipping to...' and in the event I do
answer, that's followed by 'Wow, that's a lot of money, is there any
cheaper alternative?' or 'I can give you $xxx towards shipping' which
doesn't cover the cost. I sell on ebay to make money, not to donate.

As a real world example, I listed a 7" record on ebay, at $310 buy it
now with free US shipping. The only previous example of this record
sold in auction for $300, shipping not included. I specifically stated
that I do not normally ship outside of the US, prohibitve shipping
costs, etc., but if an international buyer absolutely wanted, I would
sell it to them. Low and behold a UK member (note: a native English
speaker) contacted me with an offer of $250 US. I used my time to go
to USPS.com (which any user can do themself) and calculate a shipping
price w/ insurance and tracking, ~ $35 US. I told him I'd give him $5
off for the equivalent of free US shipping. Of course he comes back
with, 'the shipping price is too high.' Thanks for wasting my time.
Personally, I'd have to say the only people who ship the cheap
international rate are the uninformed and gamblers. I'm neither. Since
I know the majority of users won't opt for the service with the level
of coverage I require to ship intnernationally, I simply eliminate all
temptation for them by not allowing them to buy.


On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 5:19 AM, spok2000 at gmx.de <spok2000 at gmx.de> wrote:
> Hi guys, hi Willy-
>
> what is it with Americans not shipping internationally ? No offense meant - but you can see this ever so often on ebay as well.
> Which I understand to a certain extent, because there you have to face the risk that shipping times of USPS sometimes can make customers a bit nervous and they leave you with a bad rating.
>
> But in this case with a dedicated demand for service ? Come on.
>
> What is the reason that more often than not Americans won't ship internationally ?
> It is basically the exact same thing like shipping to Utah or Hawaii, and what stops you to put the hour you spend at the USPS office for the customs papers on the overall bill ?
> It certainly works - I receive goods from the US all the time.
> A halfway reasonable adressee easily understands that he has to go through customs in the destination country and won't complain about it.
>
> But anyway...it is Europe, not sooo no-man's-land as well.
>
> So forget B&W. They sometimes are really friendly and helpful sending out a copied SM, but that's more or less about all they can do.
>
> But we do have a cool and extremely capable tech in Germany though. I won't tell the rates here but they are certainly very reasonable.
> A friend of mine is one of the two biggest Technics vintage collectors worldwide and he brings over all of the SE-A1/SU-A2 monsters (he's got more than one) and extreme rarities like japanese prototypes for audio fairs (a storage full of it) to this guy.
> And EU shipping from GB to DE doesn't even induce customs hassle as well. Heck, you could even step on the ferry and bring it yourself if you're paranoid.
>
> Please don't hesitate to get back to me if you like to contact him: spok at thespok.com
>
> Good Luck anyway !
>
> Best,
> spok
>
> On 20.10.2012, at 12:26, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:
>
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
>> Of Willy Hermann
>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:11 PM
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
>>
>>
>> I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but I beg to differ with Bala
>> (who does not live in the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL rebuild in
>> the US.  I have many customers quite happy with both my service capabilities
>> and my rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I have even had a part
>> manufactured to enable me to replace the unavailable relays which so often
>> give trouble.  I don't, however, ship internationally so can not help the
>> gentleman in the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in Steyning, West
>> Sussex?
>>
>> Willy
>
>
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Sat Oct 20 21:39:51 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 12:39:51 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
In-Reply-To: <BFC27C6902CD412A9F2DFB9699E190B1@Ultradator>
References: <201210151002.q9FA05Mp015095@zxe.naks.com>
	<COL107-W26AD8EC39F58FC806B4035C9770@phx.gbl>
	<COL107-W209D1241B399A066A03FCDC9760@phx.gbl>
	<COL107-W2086BBAB97C59571D01A3DC9760@phx.gbl>
	<1350655589.49276.YahooMailNeo@web112705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Thanks!!  I just ordered one and will report back as to whether it's a good
sub.

Willy

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:56 AM, <paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se> wrote:

>   Hi all!
>
> The original Sankyo partnumber including the rubber wheel mechanism is
> BFS9B03 and is manufactured by Mabuchi.
>
> I think that Mabuchi partnumber RF-500TB-12560 could be a good substitute
> (I have never tried them though).
> They are also easily found on Ebay. If you compare the data sheet
> (attached) for this motor and compare it with the text I
> found on a french forum (also attached) you can see that they look rather
> similar.
>
> Good luck/Pelle.
>
>
>
>  *From:* Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2012 7:41 PM
> *To:* shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> ; Talk about
> Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
>
> The spooling motor is frequently the cause of such problems.  I have had
> some but little luck rebuilding these motors by disassembling them,
> cleaning the brushes and armature and relubing the bearings.  I had a great
> direct replacement from JVC I was using but they discontinued it last year
> and I have been unable to come up with a good sub since.  Anybody jump in
> here - please!  BTW, the lower the voltage to the spooling motor the lower
> the torque to the the tape.
> Willy
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:06 AM, shanti ramachandran <
> shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>  Willy, could you please answer Soumitra's question below? Thanks.
>>
>> Ram.
>>
>>   ------------------------------
>> *From:* s b <noneyhoney at hotmail.com>
>> *To:* "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:43 AM
>> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
>>
>>
>>   Hi Ram,
>> well, yesterday it played one tape fully till the end with no stoppages
>> (both sides), and another i was testing today had the stoppage problem. I
>> opened the mechanism and de-greased and lubed the reel motor. Im
>> wondering if adjusting the torque would have any effect. I dont have a
>> torque gauge so Im assuming lowering the speed (via the VR) would increase
>> torque or would it be increasing the speed ?
>> Also, i wonder if a general tape/CD motor (of similar dimensions and
>> screw hole positions) from the market would be a working replacement if in
>> case of dead spots ?
>> Thanks and regards
>> Soumitra
>>
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 20 22:36:49 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:36:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
Message-ID: <1350765409.80286.YahooMailNeo@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

I recently bought a superb condition AIWA XK-S9000 that works as good as it looks. However, I am at a loss to know how to clean the rollers and capstans on this unit.
There is no way I can spin the capstans/rollers without a tape in the well. I tried holding the eject and then powering up the unit to no avail

Can someone describe the secret to this. I am not for using head and path cleaning tapes.

Thanks.

Ram.
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Sat Oct 20 23:24:04 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 18:24:04 -0300
Subject: Res: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi
In-Reply-To: <1350745573.43424.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B214@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Hi everyone,
After reading and learning a whole lot from all of you, there's something that has me curious for quite some time: why is it other than the possible obvious answer that nobody ever praised or raved about the Nak MR1? Is it so dull because its supposed to be a professional deck? Why prefer a Dragon or the ZX9 and 7 and all the other "favorites"?
Thank you in advance for your comments!
Rodrigo Krause

________________________________

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Sat Oct 20 12:06:13 2012
Assunto: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording 


I concur. 

Years ago, Stephen went over my newly acquired CR-7. He had all the 
required gauges and tools and did an excellent job. Soon after, he fixed 
my Toshiba SV-F990 (a super advanced VCR) and managed to fix the 
transport after two Toshiba service centers tried to, but botched the job, 
big time. 

IIRC, Stephen charged less than the Toshiba "gurus" that screwed the 
deck up. BTW, I never bought another Toshiba product again. 

-- Ron







	
________________________________

	From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
	To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
	Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:17 PM
	Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording
	



	Reply from Stephen:
	
	"Yes, still here.  I stopped participating in the naktalk forum due to it
	causing me to get too darn inundated with work.  But I do still service Nak
	decks, all the time, and it's not as if I'm hard to find(can it get easier
	than stephensank.com?)."
	
	
	IMHO, from some of the complaints that I read on various blogs it appears
	that Stephen tends to over-commit and then can't keep up.
	
	Aloha,
	Cheryl
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
	Of Cheryl Kaupp
	Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:06 PM
	To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
	Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
	withrecording
	
	
	
	BTW, I just posted on that thread and asked if Stephen is still hanging
	around and if he still works on Naks. I'll let you know if I get a response.
	
	Aloha,
	Cheryl
	
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Cheryl Kaupp [mailto:kaupp240 at hotmail.com]
	Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:53 PM
	To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
	Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
	withrecording
	
	
	Here's a thread on the DIYAUDIO blog -- he posted in May 2012 in this
	thread.
	
	http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/19164-please-help-fixing-pione
	er-pdr-555rw-9.html#post3195431 
	
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
	Of josephjean at verizon.net
	Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:46 PM
	To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
	Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
	withrecording
	
	
	Is he still around?
	
	You don't see him on eBay either.
	
	
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 21 01:06:29 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 17:06:29 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
In-Reply-To: <1350765409.80286.YahooMailNeo@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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 I think there's plastic cassette engagement pin(s) that you push in on top of the cassette well. There may be a pin located near the  middle of the back of the cassette well (not sure on this one). Sold two 3-head Aiwa's. Great for recording, but a Nak beats them on playback. I also believe I still have the Stereo Review magazine which features your AIWA XK-S9000 on the front cover. The  cover displays 'Wourld's best cassette deck?'. I believe your deck retailed for $1,150.Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:36:49 -0700
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!

Hi all,
I recently bought a superb condition AIWA XK-S9000 that works as good as it looks. However, I am at a loss to know how to clean the rollers and capstans on this unit.There is no way I can spin the capstans/rollers without a tape in the well. I tried holding the eject and then powering up the unit to no avail
Can someone describe the secret to this. I am not for using head and path cleaning tapes.
Thanks.
Ram.
 		 	   		  
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 21 02:31:42 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:31:42 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
In-Reply-To: <1350765409.80286.YahooMailNeo@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1350765409.80286.YahooMailNeo@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BD0B68FD-5A55-447C-ACFD-1581BCF7FF6F@yahoo.com>

Lift and withdraw the cassette door well. Depress the cassette sense switch usually on the top left, and the capstan should spin up. The pressure rollers are cleaned manually, preferably with a felt tipped cleaning pen. 


Sent from my iPhone

On 21/10/2012, at 6:36 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I recently bought a superb condition AIWA XK-S9000 that works as good as it looks. However, I am at a loss to know how to clean the rollers and capstans on this unit.
> There is no way I can spin the capstans/rollers without a tape in the well. I tried holding the eject and then powering up the unit to no avail
> 
> Can someone describe the secret to this. I am not for using head and path cleaning tapes.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ram.
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Sun Oct 21 11:00:06 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:00:06 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Oversee shipping.
Message-ID: <B359A184-AFB5-4ADF-A1E4-64B3C7DBBF09@gmail.com>

dear listeners,

Shipping  Hi-fi is a matter of packing.

The packing made by sellers in USA are much better than in europe.

Lot of German seller or even professionals pack the Hi-fi  without  
any thinking.


I found one of the  save  ways to pack with FORM IN PLACE   PU Spray.

Adrian did translate this way to english for an Australian  Seller.

This Seller was sending a ZXL.

If  It is okay for Adrian I would like to post this translation.


We can do better packing by knowing the machine  better witch is  
going to get packed.

On  ZX-7 or ZX-9  we should  remove  the Cassette  Door and the three  
bigger knobs  REC. left, REC. right and Level.

Interesting to see on a original packing from a 1000 ZXL. The corners  
on the wooden Cabinet stay  free.

No  packing Material  was  touching this Corners.

On this point I like to thank   any  world wide  Seller for sending  
Oversee.

regards Gerhard

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From adrian at mechner.net  Sun Oct 21 02:27:05 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 17:27:05 -0700
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi
In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B214@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
References: <1350745573.43424.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B214@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
Message-ID: <001801cdaf22$cc837ad0$658a7070$@net>

Rodrigo, my dear friend,

 

“Professional” means that is actually is a tool meant for someone to make money, therefore the most important feature is not the outstanding sound, but reliability.  The MR1 and MR2 are the “professional” branded ones. The most common use is radio stations (by the time they used to play some bands cassettes). Imagine that a deck stops working while live J.  This was usual used when there was some artist invited to a radio station and he/she had a cassette with some new tunes. The MR2 was also used for small high quality production of cassettes (that’s where I got my MR2). I am also one of those who does believe there is actually a difference in the build quality between the MR1 and the BX 300 (I know this will be like dynamite but I’m honest about my beliefs). The “professional” question is well described with my AKAI GX 912 (only AKAI ever branded as “professional” – while very similar to the GX-F 91, it is a lot simpler, focused on reliability and some interesting point is that it is a tank, not only in the mechanics but also all IC and the processor are double protected, which can’t be found on a consumer deck. There are some machines built to live forever.

The audiophile market is less focused on reliability in terms of usage, but for best sound ever. This is where the Dragon comes into play. As an audiophile you might not be satisfied with a recording generated by another machine which does not sound at its best; you can adjust that… and so on. Reliability??? Well that is something you should ask Willy… Double capstan direct drive and sync between both DD motors in perfect timing… That’s something you should ask yourself if you might want to go for, after it went out of production for decades and a simple resistor or capacitor can generate mal-performance… You might want to ask these questions to yourself before spending tons on a Dragon, no matter if just serviced or not.

 

Adrian

 

P.S. I would buy a Dragon to play with at any time, don’t get me wrong; this does not mean that I would not accept he fact that it might stop performing second day … It’s all about what chances you are willing to take.

 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Krause
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:24 PM
To: ronami at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Res: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi

 

Hi everyone,
After reading and learning a whole lot from all of you, there's something that has me curious for quite some time: why is it other than the possible obvious answer that nobody ever praised or raved about the Nak MR1? Is it so dull because its supposed to be a professional deck? Why prefer a Dragon or the ZX9 and 7 and all the other "favorites"?
Thank you in advance for your comments!
Rodrigo Krause

 

  _____  

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Sat Oct 20 12:06:13 2012
Assunto: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording 

I concur. 

Years ago, Stephen went over my newly acquired CR-7. He had all the 
required gauges and tools and did an excellent job. Soon after, he fixed 
my Toshiba SV-F990 (a super advanced VCR) and managed to fix the 
transport after two Toshiba service centers tried to, but botched the job, 
big time. 

IIRC, Stephen charged less than the Toshiba "gurus" that screwed the 
deck up. BTW, I never bought another Toshiba product again. 

-- Ron



 

 


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From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:17 PM
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording




Reply from Stephen:

"Yes, still here.  I stopped participating in the naktalk forum due to it
causing me to get too darn inundated with work.  But I do still service Nak
decks, all the time, and it's not as if I'm hard to find(can it get easier
than stephensank.com?)."


IMHO, from some of the complaints that I read on various blogs it appears
that Stephen tends to over-commit and then can't keep up.

Aloha,
Cheryl

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Kaupp
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:06 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording



BTW, I just posted on that thread and asked if Stephen is still hanging
around and if he still works on Naks. I'll let you know if I get a response.

Aloha,
Cheryl


-----Original Message-----
From: Cheryl Kaupp [mailto:kaupp240 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:53 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording


Here's a thread on the DIYAUDIO blog -- he posted in May 2012 in this
thread.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/19164-please-help-fixing-pione
er-pdr-555rw-9.html#post3195431 


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of josephjean at verizon.net
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:46 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording


Is he still around?

You don't see him on eBay either.


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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 21 10:26:55 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:26:55 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] What is it with Americans not shipping
	internationally and Nak service in Europe.
In-Reply-To: <D97163E4-7E05-49CB-AE4B-25E0838F3686@mechner.net>
References: <201210201026.q9KA8DDh006401@zxe.naks.com>,
	<C94BA302-911F-46F4-ADD4-F6F7EFDBD688@gmx.de>,
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jhi all. I don´t sell on ebay but have bought some items from outside europe.. it takes a long time usually, you have to pay extra for shipping and if customs get their hands on it, they´ll want something for that action aswell.. (the sob´s) personally I would sell abroad if somebody really wanted an item and can understand some people not wanting to sell because of the hassel with Revenue, but a lot of people just don´t want to get out of their couch.. that´s the reason they sell on ebay.. it´s done from behind a computer.. and now they have to go to the post-office, stand in line, get info.. and in the end hear it is all too pricy…. I wouldn´t feel like doing that every time I sell to a foreigner.. pieter,germanyyurp > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is it with Americans not shipping internationally	and Nak service in Europe.
> From: adrian at mechner.net
> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:23:03 -0700
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> 
> Let me answer that,if I may. I ship my turntables worldwide, however there is a little bit more to it; you need to fill out customs forms and you need to provide weight up to the oz and so on. On the other hand, shipping intrenationally on regular basis will get you a certain flag with the IRS, which most americans would like to avoid. There is more to it: I once shipper a turntable to Argentina and the customs there opened it up and looked inside and packed it back as if it was a pair of shoes. It arrived with severe damage at my buyer. He was intelligent enough and a decent person, not to blaim me for that, however it was a bad experience.
> On the other hand, I experienced a LOT of sellers from wherever in Europe, who don't ship to the US, not even after contacting them and showing willingnes to pay extra. I was desperatly looking for a Thorens TP-63 arm wand and the guy in Germany didn't even want to talk about shipping out of Europe (how stupid is that). I recently got some ISOKINETIK arm wire from England and it took 20 days from London to Seattle...
> As a conclusion there would be some reasons for someone to avoid trouble, however, I am not one of those not shipping worldwide.
> 
> Adrian
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Oct 20, 2012, at 5:19 AM, "spok2000 at gmx.de" <spok2000 at gmx.de> wrote:
> 
> > Hi guys, hi Willy-
> > 
> > what is it with Americans not shipping internationally ? No offense meant - but you can see this ever so often on ebay as well.
> > Which I understand to a certain extent, because there you have to face the risk that shipping times of USPS sometimes can make customers a bit nervous and they leave you with a bad rating.
> > 
> > But in this case with a dedicated demand for service ? Come on.
> > 
> > What is the reason that more often than not Americans won't ship internationally ?
> > It is basically the exact same thing like shipping to Utah or Hawaii, and what stops you to put the hour you spend at the USPS office for the customs papers on the overall bill ?
> > It certainly works - I receive goods from the US all the time.
> > A halfway reasonable adressee easily understands that he has to go through customs in the destination country and won't complain about it.
> > 
> > But anyway...it is Europe, not sooo no-man's-land as well.
> > 
> > So forget B&W. They sometimes are really friendly and helpful sending out a copied SM, but that's more or less about all they can do.
> > 
> > But we do have a cool and extremely capable tech in Germany though. I won't tell the rates here but they are certainly very reasonable.
> > A friend of mine is one of the two biggest Technics vintage collectors worldwide and he brings over all of the SE-A1/SU-A2 monsters (he's got more than one) and extreme rarities like japanese prototypes for audio fairs (a storage full of it) to this guy.
> > And EU shipping from GB to DE doesn't even induce customs hassle as well. Heck, you could even step on the ferry and bring it yourself if you're paranoid.
> > 
> > Please don't hesitate to get back to me if you like to contact him: spok at thespok.com
> > 
> > Good Luck anyway !
> > 
> > Best,
> > spok
> > 
> > On 20.10.2012, at 12:26, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:
> > 
> >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> >> Of Willy Hermann
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:11 PM
> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> >> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but I beg to differ with Bala
> >> (who does not live in the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL rebuild in
> >> the US.  I have many customers quite happy with both my service capabilities
> >> and my rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I have even had a part
> >> manufactured to enable me to replace the unavailable relays which so often
> >> give trouble.  I don't, however, ship internationally so can not help the
> >> gentleman in the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in Steyning, West
> >> Sussex?  
> >> 
> >> Willy
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 21 17:44:19 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 08:44:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W49ECFDA3E400C1D6C641C0DB740@phx.gbl>
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Tried pressing those sensor switches and to no use. This deck will not spin the capstans. The only solution is to play a cassette with no tape and then press play and approach the rollers from the underside. Cumbersome way to clean I must say. they thought of everything but the basics.
This deck will not spin its capstans unless a tape is in the well. Moreover once the cassette load is pushed in there is no way to press the sensors to effect play.

Ram.



________________________________
 From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 7:06 PM
Subject: FW: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
 

 

 I think there's plastic cassette engagement pin(s) that you push in on top of the cassette well. There may be a pin located near the 
 middle of the back of the cassette well (not sure on this one).
 Sold two 3-head Aiwa's. Great for recording, but a Nak beats them on playback.
 I also believe I still have the Stereo Review magazine which features your AIWA XK-S9000 on the front cover. The 
 cover displays 'Wourld's best cassette deck?'. I believe your deck retailed for $1,150.


________________________________
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:36:49 -0700
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!


Hi all,

I recently bought a superb condition AIWA XK-S9000 that works as good as it looks. However, I am at a loss to know how to clean the rollers and capstans on this unit.
There is no way I can spin the capstans/rollers without a tape in the well. I tried holding the eject and then powering up the unit to no avail

Can someone describe the secret to this. I am not for using head and path cleaning tapes.

Thanks.

Ram.

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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 21 12:13:47 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 12:13:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Oversee shipping.
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you´re right about packing in germany..the times i´ve spent searching for items sent in boxes too big (way too big...) or trying to wrigle  items packed so tightly in a box too small out of it..they could try and think about what they do ( i have even complained about this to a big company..to no avail i might add) greetz from pieterGermany (but not german...)
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From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:00:06 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Oversee shipping.

dear listeners,
Shipping  Hi-fi is a matter of packing.
The packing made by sellers in USA are much better than in europe.
Lot of German seller or even professionals pack the Hi-fi  without any thinking.

I found one of the  save  ways to pack with FORM IN PLACE   PU Spray.  
Adrian did translate this way to english for an Australian  Seller.
This Seller was sending a ZXL.
If  It is okay for Adrian I would like to post this translation.

We can do better packing by knowing the machine  better witch is going to get packed.
On  ZX-7 or ZX-9  we should  remove  the Cassette  Door and the three bigger knobs  REC. left, REC. right and Level.
Interesting to see on a original packing from a 1000 ZXL. The corners on the wooden Cabinet stay  free.
No  packing Material  was  touching this Corners.
On this point I like to thank   any  world wide  Seller for sending Oversee. 
regards Gerhard

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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Sun Oct 21 22:32:53 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:32:53 -0200
Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
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Hi Ram,
Although i don't know this particular deck, it defies logic (with all due respect for you)that you cannot trick the mechanism to release the capstan. We may try to help if you can send us some close up pictures of the cassette well to try to visually help you find the release...
Cheers,
Rodrigo Krause

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De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Sun Oct 21 13:44:19 2012
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may! 


Tried pressing those sensor switches and to no use. This deck will not spin the capstans. The only solution is to play a cassette with no tape and then press play and approach the rollers from the underside. Cumbersome way to clean I must say. they thought of everything but the basics.
This deck will not spin its capstans unless a tape is in the well. Moreover once the cassette load is pushed in there is no way to press the sensors to effect play.


Ram.



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From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 7:06 PM
Subject: FW: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!



 I think there's plastic cassette engagement pin(s) that you push in on top of the cassette well. There may be a pin located near the 
 middle of the back of the cassette well (not sure on this one).
 Sold two 3-head Aiwa's. Great for recording, but a Nak beats them on playback.
 I also believe I still have the Stereo Review magazine which features your AIWA XK-S9000 on the front cover. The 
 cover displays 'Wourld's best cassette deck?'. I believe your deck retailed for $1,150.

________________________________

Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:36:49 -0700
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!


Hi all,

I recently bought a superb condition AIWA XK-S9000 that works as good as it looks. However, I am at a loss to know how to clean the rollers and capstans on this unit.
There is no way I can spin the capstans/rollers without a tape in the well. I tried holding the eject and then powering up the unit to no avail

Can someone describe the secret to this. I am not for using head and path cleaning tapes.

Thanks.

Ram.


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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 21 23:58:27 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:58:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
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Rodrigo,

I can not trick this mechanism due to the design of the motorized well. I could get this done easily with the SONY TC-KA7ES, but this one is challenging me!

The capstans of this deck do not rotate until the mechanism is in one of the tape moving modes. (like the cheaper Naks)

I would appreciate help with this. :)

Ram.




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 From: Rodrigo Krause <rkrause at multiplan.com.br>
To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
 

Hi Ram,
Although i don't know this particular deck, it defies logic (with all due respect for you)that you cannot trick the mechanism to release the capstan. We may try to help if you can send us some close up pictures of the cassette well to try to visually help you find the release...
Cheers,
Rodrigo Krause


________________________________
 De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Sun Oct 21 13:44:19 2012
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may! 


Tried pressing those sensor switches and to no use. This deck will not spin the capstans. The only solution is to play a cassette with no tape and then press play and approach the rollers from the underside. Cumbersome way to clean I must say. they thought of everything but the basics.
This deck will not spin its capstans unless a tape is in the well. Moreover once the cassette load is pushed in there is no way to press the sensors to effect play.

Ram.



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 From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 7:06 PM
Subject: FW: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
 

 

 I think there's plastic cassette engagement pin(s) that you push in on top of the cassette well. There may be a pin located near the 
 middle of the back of the cassette well (not sure on this one).
 Sold two 3-head Aiwa's. Great for recording, but a Nak beats them on playback.
 I also believe I still have the Stereo Review magazine which features your AIWA XK-S9000 on the front cover. The 
 cover displays 'Wourld's best cassette deck?'. I believe your deck retailed for $1,150.


________________________________
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:36:49 -0700
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!


Hi all,

I recently bought a superb condition AIWA XK-S9000 that works as good as it looks. However, I am at a loss to know how to clean the rollers and capstans on this unit.
There is no way I can spin the capstans/rollers without a tape in the well. I tried holding the eject and then powering up the unit to no avail

Can someone describe the secret to this. I am not for using head and path cleaning tapes.

Thanks.

Ram.

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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 22 03:01:30 2012
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:01:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Res: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi
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>After reading and learning a whole lot from all of you, there's something that has me
>curious for quite some time: why is it other than the possible obvious answer that nobody
>ever praised or raved about the Nak MR1? Is it so dull because its supposed to be a
>professional deck? Why prefer a Dragon or the ZX9 and 7 and all the other "favorites"?

Here are my two cents on the subject.
 
I have several MR-1's and a ZX-7 and used to have a BX-300.  The MR-1 is a good deck, but, basically just a BX-300 with better meters, XLR and 1/4" In/Out connectors as well as a NR loop for external processor.  But it still uses the less desireable Sankyo transport and NO front panel ability to adjust the record bias even though the BX-300 does.  The adjustment pot that was bias was retasked for playback tape speed or pitch control.  The MR-1 (and BX-300) have a great direct drive take up capstan motor with belt drive supply capstan.  Reel motor and mode control motors however are not that great and will be a more and more difficult to find replacement for.  If the reel drive is via a rubber idler then get ready to replace it every few years.  Later gear drive idler units are much more desireable.
 
The Dragon, ZX-7 and ZX-9 all use the classic tape transport which is better built and typically requires less maintance.  All three of these decks have the ability to adjust record level and bias for left and right channels for all three tape types individually!  Test tones are built in and the meters automatically increase sensitivity in tape cal mode to easy calibration.  The Dragon of course has NAAC and can play both side of the tape as well as having Dual direct drive capstans!  The ZX-9 uses an excellent capstan motor directly driving the take up capstan with belt drive for the supply capstan.  W&F numbers are very good.  The ZX-7 has all the advantages of the ZX-9 except for the capstan motor which is belt drive.
 

--- On Sat, 10/20/12, Rodrigo Krause <rkrause at multiplan.com.br> wrote:


From: Rodrigo Krause <rkrause at multiplan.com.br>
Subject: Res: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi
To: ronami at yahoo.com, naktalk at naks.com
Date: Saturday, October 20, 2012, 2:24 PM




Hi everyone,
After reading and learning a whole lot from all of you, there's something that has me curious for quite some time: why is it other than the possible obvious answer that nobody ever praised or raved about the Nak MR1? Is it so dull because its supposed to be a professional deck? Why prefer a Dragon or the ZX9 and 7 and all the other "favorites"?
Thank you in advance for your comments!
Rodrigo Krause



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Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Sat Oct 20 12:06:13 2012
Assunto: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording 


I concur. 

Years ago, Stephen went over my newly acquired CR-7. He had all the 
required gauges and tools and did an excellent job. Soon after, he fixed 
my Toshiba SV-F990 (a super advanced VCR) and managed to fix the 
transport after two Toshiba service centers tried to, but botched the job, 
big time. 

IIRC, Stephen charged less than the Toshiba "gurus" that screwed the 
deck up. BTW, I never bought another Toshiba product again. 

-- Ron













From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:17 PM
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording



Reply from Stephen:

"Yes, still here.  I stopped participating in the naktalk forum due to it
causing me to get too darn inundated with work.  But I do still service Nak
decks, all the time, and it's not as if I'm hard to find(can it get easier
than stephensank.com?)."


IMHO, from some of the complaints that I read on various blogs it appears
that Stephen tends to over-commit and then can't keep up.

Aloha,
Cheryl

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Of Cheryl Kaupp
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:06 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording



BTW, I just posted on that thread and asked if Stephen is still hanging
around and if he still works on Naks. I'll let you know if I get a response.

Aloha,
Cheryl


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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:53 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
withrecording


Here's a thread on the DIYAUDIO blog -- he posted in May 2012 in this
thread.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/19164-please-help-fixing-pione
er-pdr-555rw-9.html#post3195431 


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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:46 PM
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Is he still around?

You don't see him on eBay either.


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From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz  Mon Oct 22 07:46:31 2012
From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:46:31 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
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If it's anything like my XK-009, you need three pairs of hands. You will need your cleaning kit and an ice block stick.. popsicle stick I guess for you.. eat the popsicle first and clean and dry the stick.

My sequence of events:
1: remove cassette well door and close the door frame
2: there is a microswitch at the top right of the cassette well.. use the popsicle stick to actuate this, it should stay in place. This fools the mechanism into thinking there is a cassette loaded, and will do the tension take up thing and briefly rewind.
3: set the deck into play access the pinch rollers and capstans through the narrow gap below the door frame.. best done if at eye height... set into pause to clean the capstans..you need a degree of dexterity and bent cottton buds ( qtips?) ... but it is doable.
4: clean to your hearts content, remove popsicle stick when finished.. deck goes into stop mode
5: replace cassette door.

Alternatively if you have an old screw body cassette.. remove contents, and cut away the housing in the area of both capstan/pinch rollers... this tool replaces the popsicle stick..

Nice machines.. second only to my Naks in terms of musicality.. just my humble preferences..

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: shanti ramachandran 
  To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 9:36 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!


  Hi all,


  I recently bought a superb condition AIWA XK-S9000 that works as good as it looks. However, I am at a loss to know how to clean the rollers and capstans on this unit.
  There is no way I can spin the capstans/rollers without a tape in the well. I tried holding the eject and then powering up the unit to no avail


  Can someone describe the secret to this. I am not for using head and path cleaning tapes.


  Thanks.


  Ram.
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From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz  Mon Oct 22 08:11:14 2012
From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:11:14 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
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Bala,

That is the method for the 'F' series  ( controls on the front tray), but the Excelia's and some of the lesser decks with the  cassette clamping mechanism require a more dexterous cleaning methodology.

cheers,

Martin
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  From: Bala Ganesh 
  To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!


  Lift and withdraw the cassette door well. Depress the cassette sense switch usually on the top left, and the capstan should spin up. The pressure rollers are cleaned manually, preferably with a felt tipped cleaning pen. 



  Sent from my iPhone

  On 21/10/2012, at 6:36 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:


    Hi all,


    I recently bought a superb condition AIWA XK-S9000 that works as good as it looks. However, I am at a loss to know how to clean the rollers and capstans on this unit.
    There is no way I can spin the capstans/rollers without a tape in the well. I tried holding the eject and then powering up the unit to no avail


    Can someone describe the secret to this. I am not for using head and path cleaning tapes.


    Thanks.


    Ram.
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 22 09:06:51 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:06:51 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
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Hi Martin, 

I have the XK-009 and it requires a contortionist maneuver, because of that clamping plate like you mentioned. The annoying thing is to work within that narrow window at the bottom that greatly restricts the degree of freedom in cleaning. 

I think Ram is having trouble due to the motorized door on his 9000.
The 009 sounds so more like the CR7, rather cleaner and flat, with the typical Aiwa upper mid warmth though. I love the earlier F series that you mentioned which has a very enjoyable sound and years ahead of anything when it came out. Do you have Aiwa decks as well? 

Cheers and Regards,
Bala 
Sent from my iPad

On 22 Oct, 2012, at 4:11 PM, "Martin Short" <shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz> wrote:

> Bala,
>  
> That is the method for the 'F' series  ( controls on the front tray), but the Excelia's and some of the lesser decks with the  cassette clamping mechanism require a more dexterous cleaning methodology.
>  
> cheers,
>  
> Martin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bala Ganesh
> To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
> 
> Lift and withdraw the cassette door well. Depress the cassette sense switch usually on the top left, and the capstan should spin up. The pressure rollers are cleaned manually, preferably with a felt tipped cleaning pen. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 21/10/2012, at 6:36 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I recently bought a superb condition AIWA XK-S9000 that works as good as it looks. However, I am at a loss to know how to clean the rollers and capstans on this unit.
>> There is no way I can spin the capstans/rollers without a tape in the well. I tried holding the eject and then powering up the unit to no avail
>> 
>> Can someone describe the secret to this. I am not for using head and path cleaning tapes.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Ram.
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Mon Oct 22 01:54:41 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 21:54:41 -0200
Subject: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
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Ram,

If nothing works, go to the extreme: open a cassette tape, remove the tape, cut off one half of the plastic cover part over where the heads should come in and clean the parts you need...
Just trying to help...Let's hope someone can come up with a better solution.
Cheers,

Rodrigo


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Enviada: dom 21/10/2012 19:58
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: Re: Res: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
 
Rodrigo,


I can not trick this mechanism due to the design of the motorized well. I could get this done easily with the SONY TC-KA7ES, but this one is challenging me!


The capstans of this deck do not rotate until the mechanism is in one of the tape moving modes. (like the cheaper Naks)


I would appreciate help with this. :)


Ram.



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From: Rodrigo Krause <rkrause at multiplan.com.br>
To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!


Hi Ram,
Although i don't know this particular deck, it defies logic (with all due respect for you)that you cannot trick the mechanism to release the capstan. We may try to help if you can send us some close up pictures of the cassette well to try to visually help you find the release...
Cheers,
Rodrigo Krause

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De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Sun Oct 21 13:44:19 2012
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may! 


Tried pressing those sensor switches and to no use. This deck will not spin the capstans. The only solution is to play a cassette with no tape and then press play and approach the rollers from the underside. Cumbersome way to clean I must say. they thought of everything but the basics.
This deck will not spin its capstans unless a tape is in the well. Moreover once the cassette load is pushed in there is no way to press the sensors to effect play.


Ram.



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From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 7:06 PM
Subject: FW: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!



 I think there's plastic cassette engagement pin(s) that you push in on top of the cassette well. There may be a pin located near the 
 middle of the back of the cassette well (not sure on this one).
 Sold two 3-head Aiwa's. Great for recording, but a Nak beats them on playback.
 I also believe I still have the Stereo Review magazine which features your AIWA XK-S9000 on the front cover. The 
 cover displays 'Wourld's best cassette deck?'. I believe your deck retailed for $1,150.

________________________________

Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:36:49 -0700
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!


Hi all,

I recently bought a superb condition AIWA XK-S9000 that works as good as it looks. However, I am at a loss to know how to clean the rollers and capstans on this unit.
There is no way I can spin the capstans/rollers without a tape in the well. I tried holding the eject and then powering up the unit to no avail

Can someone describe the secret to this. I am not for using head and path cleaning tapes.

Thanks.

Ram.


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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Mon Oct 22 13:47:40 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 07:47:40 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning capstan and rollers on some decks
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I took a worthless welded cassette, and with a dremel tool cut off the lower one half of the top half of the shell just below the reel holes of the half facing out, with the business end cut away where the slots for the heads, capstans, rollers, etc are. You have to manually hold the 1/2 shell in place sometimes, but that usually engages any switches. This does not work on the early B215s that lack the undocumented "lift" feature, as that deck also requires both reels to be spinning as if a tape is connected between them. Too smart for its own good, though it is not a really bad deck to clean manually at all. Maybe that can work for you, too.




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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 22 16:33:22 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 07:33:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning capstan and rollers on some decks
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Thanks Perry. I was going to do just that as mentioned earlier. However, now that you mentioned the surgery, I might do it too. the AIWA works with the 
tape with one(take up) spool running. Cleaning from the underside though cumbersome, is doable.

Thanks all for your suggestions.

Ram.



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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 7:47 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning capstan and rollers on some decks
 
I took a worthless welded cassette, and with a dremel tool cut off the lower one half of the top half of the shell just below the reel holes of the half facing out, with the business end cut away where the slots for the heads, capstans, rollers, etc are. You have to manually hold the 1/2 shell in place sometimes, but that usually engages any switches. This does not work on the early B215s that lack the undocumented "lift" feature, as that deck also requires both reels to be spinning as if a tape is connected between them. Too smart for its own good, though it is not a really bad deck to clean manually at all. Maybe that can work for you, too.




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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Mon Oct 22 19:51:07 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:51:07 -0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR1
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Thank you, Scott. I guess I´m more "knowledgeable" now!

Best regards,


Rodrigo Krause

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Scott Johnson
Enviada em: domingo, 21 de outubro de 2012 23:02
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: Re: Res: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi

 

>After reading and learning a whole lot from all of you, there's something that has me

>curious for quite some time: why is it other than the possible obvious answer that nobody

>ever praised or raved about the Nak MR1? Is it so dull because its supposed to be a

>professional deck? Why prefer a Dragon or the ZX9 and 7 and all the other "favorites"?

Here are my two cents on the subject.

 

I have several MR-1's and a ZX-7 and used to have a BX-300.  The MR-1 is a good deck, but, basically just a BX-300 with better meters, XLR and 1/4" In/Out connectors as well as a NR loop for external processor.  But it still uses the less desireable Sankyo transport and NO front panel ability to adjust the record bias even though the BX-300 does.  The adjustment pot that was bias was retasked for playback tape speed or pitch control.  The MR-1 (and BX-300) have a great direct drive take up capstan motor with belt drive supply capstan.  Reel motor and mode control motors however are not that great and will be a more and more difficult to find replacement for.  If the reel drive is via a rubber idler then get ready to replace it every few years.  Later gear drive idler units are much more desireable.

 

The Dragon, ZX-7 and ZX-9 all use the classic tape transport which is better built and typically requires less maintance.  All three of these decks have the ability to adjust record level and bias for left and right channels for all three tape types individually!  Test tones are built in and the meters automatically increase sensitivity in tape cal mode to easy calibration.  The Dragon of course has NAAC and can play both side of the tape as well as having Dual direct drive capstans!  The ZX-9 uses an excellent capstan motor directly driving the take up capstan with belt drive for the supply capstan.  W&F numbers are very good.  The ZX-7 has all the advantages of the ZX-9 except for the capstan motor which is belt drive.

 


--- On Sat, 10/20/12, Rodrigo Krause <rkrause at multiplan.com.br> wrote:

	
	From: Rodrigo Krause <rkrause at multiplan.com.br>
	Subject: Res: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi
	To: ronami at yahoo.com, naktalk at naks.com
	Date: Saturday, October 20, 2012, 2:24 PM

	Hi everyone,
	After reading and learning a whole lot from all of you, there's something that has me curious for quite some time: why is it other than the possible obvious answer that nobody ever praised or raved about the Nak MR1? Is it so dull because its supposed to be a professional deck? Why prefer a Dragon or the ZX9 and 7 and all the other "favorites"?
	Thank you in advance for your comments!
	Rodrigo Krause

	 

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	De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
	Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
	Enviada em: Sat Oct 20 12:06:13 2012
	Assunto: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording 

	I concur. 
	
	Years ago, Stephen went over my newly acquired CR-7. He had all the 
	required gauges and tools and did an excellent job. Soon after, he fixed 
	my Toshiba SV-F990 (a super advanced VCR) and managed to fix the 
	transport after two Toshiba service centers tried to, but botched the job, 
	big time. 
	
	IIRC, Stephen charged less than the Toshiba "gurus" that screwed the 
	deck up. BTW, I never bought another Toshiba product again. 
	
	-- Ron
	
	

	 

		 

		
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		From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
		To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at naks.com> 
		Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:17 PM
		Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems withrecording

		
		
		
		Reply from Stephen:
		
		"Yes, still here.  I stopped participating in the naktalk forum due to it
		causing me to get too darn inundated with work.  But I do still service Nak
		decks, all the time, and it's not as if I'm hard to find(can it get easier
		than stephensank.com?)."
		
		
		IMHO, from some of the complaints that I read on various blogs it appears
		that Stephen tends to over-commit and then can't keep up.
		
		Aloha,
		Cheryl
		
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		From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <http://us.mc1645.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=naktalk-bounces at naks.com>  [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com <http://us.mc1645.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=naktalk-bounces at naks.com> ] On Behalf
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		Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:06 PM
		To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
		Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems
		withrecording
		
		
		
		BTW, I just posted on that thread and asked if Stephen is still hanging
		around and if he still works on Naks. I'll let you know if I get a response.
		
		Aloha,
		Cheryl
		
		
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		From: Cheryl Kaupp [mailto:kaupp240 at hotmail.com <http://us.mc1645.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kaupp240 at hotmail.com> ]
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		withrecording
		
		
		Here's a thread on the DIYAUDIO blog -- he posted in May 2012 in this
		thread.
		
		http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/19164-please-help-fixing-pione
		er-pdr-555rw-9.html#post3195431 
		
		
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		Is he still around?
		
		You don't see him on eBay either.
		
		
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From russellstorey at westnet.com.au  Tue Oct 23 02:48:46 2012
From: russellstorey at westnet.com.au (russellstorey)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:48:46 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
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FMI ,  Your Not Martin short  from  North Island  NZ  ?
 Cheers  Russ 
 
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Martin Short
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 5:11 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
 
Bala,
 
That is the method for the 'F' series  ( controls on the front tray), but
the Excelia's and some of the lesser decks with the  cassette clamping
mechanism require a more dexterous cleaning methodology.
 
cheers,
 
Martin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bala <mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com>  Ganesh 
To: shanti ramachandran <mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>  ; Talk about
Nakamichi <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>  Cassette Decks 
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
 
Lift and withdraw the cassette door well. Depress the cassette sense switch
usually on the top left, and the capstan should spin up. The pressure
rollers are cleaned manually, preferably with a felt tipped cleaning pen. 
 

Sent from my iPhone

On 21/10/2012, at 6:36 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
Hi all,
 
I recently bought a superb condition AIWA XK-S9000 that works as good as it
looks. However, I am at a loss to know how to clean the rollers and capstans
on this unit.
There is no way I can spin the capstans/rollers without a tape in the well.
I tried holding the eject and then powering up the unit to no avail
 
Can someone describe the secret to this. I am not for using head and path
cleaning tapes.
 
Thanks.
 
Ram.
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From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz  Tue Oct 23 11:27:01 2012
From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 22:27:01 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
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Yes, guilty as charged!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: russellstorey 
  To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 1:48 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!


  FMI ,  Your Not Martin short  from  North Island  NZ  ?

   Cheers  Russ 

   

  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Martin Short
  Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 5:11 PM
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!

   

  Bala,

   

  That is the method for the 'F' series  ( controls on the front tray), but the Excelia's and some of the lesser decks with the  cassette clamping mechanism require a more dexterous cleaning methodology.

   

  cheers,

   

  Martin

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Bala Ganesh 

    To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 

    Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:31 PM

    Subject: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!

     

    Lift and withdraw the cassette door well. Depress the cassette sense switch usually on the top left, and the capstan should spin up. The pressure rollers are cleaned manually, preferably with a felt tipped cleaning pen. 

     


    Sent from my iPhone


    On 21/10/2012, at 6:36 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

      Hi all,

       

      I recently bought a superb condition AIWA XK-S9000 that works as good as it looks. However, I am at a loss to know how to clean the rollers and capstans on this unit.

      There is no way I can spin the capstans/rollers without a tape in the well. I tried holding the eject and then powering up the unit to no avail

       

      Can someone describe the secret to this. I am not for using head and path cleaning tapes.

       

      Thanks.

       

      Ram.

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From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz  Tue Oct 23 11:33:51 2012
From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 22:33:51 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
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Hi Bala, 

Yes, a few  F series and the XK-009. My fav mainstream Japanese Non Naks. Totally agree with your comments on the F's.. the F770 compares well with the mid range Naks, I like the styling, and the auto cal system works very well.. able to tune in some strange formulations that were outside the adjustment range of my ZX-7. 

Must go and compare the XK-009 to the CR-5 then, not having a CR-7!!

cheers,

Martin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bala Ganesh 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 8:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!


  Hi Martin, 


  I have the XK-009 and it requires a contortionist maneuver, because of that clamping plate like you mentioned. The annoying thing is to work within that narrow window at the bottom that greatly restricts the degree of freedom in cleaning. 


  I think Ram is having trouble due to the motorized door on his 9000.
  The 009 sounds so more like the CR7, rather cleaner and flat, with the typical Aiwa upper mid warmth though. I love the earlier F series that you mentioned which has a very enjoyable sound and years ahead of anything when it came out. Do you have Aiwa decks as well? 


  Cheers and Regards,
  Bala 
  Sent from my iPad

  On 22 Oct, 2012, at 4:11 PM, "Martin Short" <shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz> wrote:


    Bala,

    That is the method for the 'F' series  ( controls on the front tray), but the Excelia's and some of the lesser decks with the  cassette clamping mechanism require a more dexterous cleaning methodology.

    cheers,

    Martin
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Bala Ganesh 
      To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
      Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:31 PM
      Subject: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!


      Lift and withdraw the cassette door well. Depress the cassette sense switch usually on the top left, and the capstan should spin up. The pressure rollers are cleaned manually, preferably with a felt tipped cleaning pen. 



      Sent from my iPhone

      On 21/10/2012, at 6:36 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:


        Hi all,


        I recently bought a superb condition AIWA XK-S9000 that works as good as it looks. However, I am at a loss to know how to clean the rollers and capstans on this unit.
        There is no way I can spin the capstans/rollers without a tape in the well. I tried holding the eject and then powering up the unit to no avail


        Can someone describe the secret to this. I am not for using head and path cleaning tapes.


        Thanks.


        Ram.
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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 23 22:11:00 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 22:11:00 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi t-100
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hi guys (and gals).. just as a matter of inetrest… there is a t-100 Audio analyzer for sale on ebay.. what would be a good price for that object???starting price is just over 550 euro (about 600 or so USD) (I,ve started the bid...) wouldn´t want to pay way too much, but would go further than what I´ve bid now.. greetz from germany pieter
 From: adrian at mechner.net
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:32:44 -0700

I totally agree with Willy. Even so I did not have a 1000ZXL to have rebuild with Willy, I would say he is indeed a great guy, knows exactly what he is doing and his rates are fantastic. I’m not going to disclose them if Willy does not do that himself, but Willy is the way to go, even if you’re on East Coast.I can do the international shipping if you decide to send it over to Willy (for free of course). You send it over to me and I send it to Willy for you and then back home. Adrian  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:11 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but I beg to differ with Bala (who does not live in the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL rebuild in the US.  I have many customers quite happy with both my service capabilities and my rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I have even had a part manufactured to enable me to replace the unavailable relays which so often give trouble.  I don't, however, ship internationally so can not help the gentleman in the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in Steyning, West Sussex?  WillyOn Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:If you are sending your deck to the US, ESL labs are the only ones for a full overhaul.  This is slowly a topic for contention, but I believe it warrants another (friendly and insightful) thread.  Rgds
Sent from my iPhone
On 19/10/2012, at 3:32 AM, nikolay nikolaev <n.nikolaev at gmail.com> wrote:I am living in UKOn Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:Where do you live?  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of nikolay nikolaev
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:46 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording Dear Friends,We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart from recording.Our technician told us that the calibration of the type before recording does not startand for this reasons recording is awful.Could you tell me who could repair this machine?Or who could help our technician to find the problem?Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair  Nakamichi 1000, but for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.Thanks in advamce.Nikolay  
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From angel9esoteric at gmail.com  Tue Oct 23 22:50:32 2012
From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:50:32 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi t-100
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I sold my Nak T-100 last year for $1,100 (mint).These are quite rare
and always in demand. Regards,N

On 10/23/12, pieter rodgers <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> hi guys (and gals).. just as a matter of inetrest… there is a t-100 Audio
> analyzer for sale on ebay.. what would be a good price for that
> object???starting price is just over 550 euro (about 600 or so USD) (I,ve
> started the bid...) wouldn´t want to pay way too much, but would go further
> than what I´ve bid now.. greetz from germany pieter
>  From: adrian at mechner.net
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with
> recording
> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:32:44 -0700
>
> I totally agree with Willy. Even so I did not have a 1000ZXL to have rebuild
> with Willy, I would say he is indeed a great guy, knows exactly what he is
> doing and his rates are fantastic. I’m not going to disclose them if Willy
> does not do that himself, but Willy is the way to go, even if you’re on East
> Coast.I can do the international shipping if you decide to send it over to
> Willy (for free of course). You send it over to me and I send it to Willy
> for you and then back home. Adrian  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:11 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
> I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but I beg to differ with Bala
> (who does not live in the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL rebuild in
> the US.  I have many customers quite happy with both my service capabilities
> and my rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I have even had a part
> manufactured to enable me to replace the unavailable relays which so often
> give trouble.  I don't, however, ship internationally so can not help the
> gentleman in the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in Steyning, West
> Sussex?  WillyOn Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Bala Ganesh
> <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:If you are sending your deck to the US, ESL labs
> are the only ones for a full overhaul.  This is slowly a topic for
> contention, but I believe it warrants another (friendly and insightful)
> thread.  Rgds
> Sent from my iPhone
> On 19/10/2012, at 3:32 AM, nikolay nikolaev <n.nikolaev at gmail.com> wrote:I
> am living in UKOn Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Garner, Scott H
> <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:Where do you live?  From:
> naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of
> nikolay nikolaev
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:46 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
> Dear Friends,We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart
> from recording.Our technician told us that the calibration of the type
> before recording does not startand for this reasons recording is awful.Could
> you tell me who could repair this machine?Or who could help our technician
> to find the problem?Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair
> Nakamichi 1000, but for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.Thanks in
> advamce.Nikolay
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From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl  Tue Oct 23 23:08:10 2012
From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:08:10 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi t-100
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Hi Peter,

I have seen T100 for about 300 euro on our local ebay called marktplaats.
I live in the netherlands.
So i would say 300 euro

Best regards

Norman

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

Op 23 okt. 2012 om 22:11 heeft pieter rodgers <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

> hi guys (and gals)..
>  
> just as a matter of inetrest… there is a t-100 Audio analyzer for sale on ebay.. what would be a good price for that object???
> starting price is just over 550 euro (about 600 or so USD) (I,ve started the bid...)
>  
> wouldn´t want to pay way too much, but would go further than what I´ve bid now..
>  
> greetz from germany
>  
> pieter
>  
> From: adrian at mechner.net
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:32:44 -0700
> 
> I totally agree with Willy. Even so I did not have a 1000ZXL to have rebuild with Willy, I would say he is indeed a great guy, knows exactly what he is doing and his rates are fantastic. I’m not going to disclose them if Willy does not do that himself, but Willy is the way to go, even if you’re on East Coast.
> 
> I can do the international shipping if you decide to send it over to Willy (for free of course). You send it over to me and I send it to Willy for you and then back home.
> 
>  
> 
> Adrian
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:11 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
> 
>  
> 
> I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but I beg to differ with Bala (who does not live in the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL rebuild in the US.  I have many customers quite happy with both my service capabilities and my rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I have even had a part manufactured to enable me to replace the unavailable relays which so often give trouble.  I don't, however, ship internationally so can not help the gentleman in the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in Steyning, West Sussex?  
> 
> Willy
> 
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> If you are sending your deck to the US, ESL labs are the only ones for a full overhaul.
> 
>  
> 
>  This is slowly a topic for contention, but I believe it warrants another (friendly and insightful) thread. 
> 
>  
> 
> Rgds
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 19/10/2012, at 3:32 AM, nikolay nikolaev <n.nikolaev at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am living in UK
> 
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
> 
> Where do you live?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of nikolay nikolaev
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:46 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
> 
>  
> 
> Dear Friends,
> 
> We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart from recording.
> 
> Our technician told us that the calibration of the type before recording does not start
> 
> and for this reasons recording is awful.
> 
> Could you tell me who could repair this machine?
> 
> Or who could help our technician to find the problem?
> 
> Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair  Nakamichi 1000, but for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.
> 
> Thanks in advamce.
> 
> Nikolay
> 
>  
> 
> 
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From lucidsound at ic24.net  Tue Oct 23 23:12:46 2012
From: lucidsound at ic24.net (Lucidsounds)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 22:12:46 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi t-100
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I bought one last year for about 600 Euros, very useful piece of equipment. 
If you need any help operating it, let me know.

Lucid.


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Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi t-100


>I sold my Nak T-100 last year for $1,100 (mint).These are quite rare
> and always in demand. Regards,N
>
> On 10/23/12, pieter rodgers <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> hi guys (and gals).. just as a matter of inetrest… there is a t-100 Audio
>> analyzer for sale on ebay.. what would be a good price for that
>> object???starting price is just over 550 euro (about 600 or so USD) (I,ve
>> started the bid...) wouldn´t want to pay way too much, but would go 
>> further
>> than what I´ve bid now.. greetz from germany pieter
>>  From: adrian at mechner.net
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with
>> recording
>> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:32:44 -0700
>>
>> I totally agree with Willy. Even so I did not have a 1000ZXL to have 
>> rebuild
>> with Willy, I would say he is indeed a great guy, knows exactly what he 
>> is
>> doing and his rates are fantastic. I’m not going to disclose them if 
>> Willy
>> does not do that himself, but Willy is the way to go, even if you’re on 
>> East
>> Coast.I can do the international shipping if you decide to send it over 
>> to
>> Willy (for free of course). You send it over to me and I send it to Willy
>> for you and then back home. Adrian  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
>> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann
>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:11 PM
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with 
>> recording
>> I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but I beg to differ with 
>> Bala
>> (who does not live in the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL rebuild 
>> in
>> the US.  I have many customers quite happy with both my service 
>> capabilities
>> and my rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I have even had a 
>> part
>> manufactured to enable me to replace the unavailable relays which so 
>> often
>> give trouble.  I don't, however, ship internationally so can not help the
>> gentleman in the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in Steyning, West
>> Sussex?  WillyOn Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Bala Ganesh
>> <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:If you are sending your deck to the US, ESL labs
>> are the only ones for a full overhaul.  This is slowly a topic for
>> contention, but I believe it warrants another (friendly and insightful)
>> thread.  Rgds
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On 19/10/2012, at 3:32 AM, nikolay nikolaev <n.nikolaev at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:I
>> am living in UKOn Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Garner, Scott H
>> <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:Where do you live?  From:
>> naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of
>> nikolay nikolaev
>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:46 AM
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
>> Dear Friends,We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly 
>> apart
>> from recording.Our technician told us that the calibration of the type
>> before recording does not startand for this reasons recording is 
>> awful.Could
>> you tell me who could repair this machine?Or who could help our 
>> technician
>> to find the problem?Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might 
>> repair
>> Nakamichi 1000, but for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.Thanks in
>> advamce.Nikolay
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 24 01:37:06 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:37:06 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi t-100
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The problem though is that the t100 is a measurement instrument. It needs to be serviced and calibrated before it can be used on other equipment. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 24/10/2012, at 6:50 AM, MD <angel9esoteric at gmail.com> wrote:

> I sold my Nak T-100 last year for $1,100 (mint).These are quite rare
> and always in demand. Regards,N
> 
> On 10/23/12, pieter rodgers <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> hi guys (and gals).. just as a matter of inetrest… there is a t-100 Audio
>> analyzer for sale on ebay.. what would be a good price for that
>> object???starting price is just over 550 euro (about 600 or so USD) (I,ve
>> started the bid...) wouldn´t want to pay way too much, but would go further
>> than what I´ve bid now.. greetz from germany pieter
>> From: adrian at mechner.net
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with
>> recording
>> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:32:44 -0700
>> 
>> I totally agree with Willy. Even so I did not have a 1000ZXL to have rebuild
>> with Willy, I would say he is indeed a great guy, knows exactly what he is
>> doing and his rates are fantastic. I’m not going to disclose them if Willy
>> does not do that himself, but Willy is the way to go, even if you’re on East
>> Coast.I can do the international shipping if you decide to send it over to
>> Willy (for free of course). You send it over to me and I send it to Willy
>> for you and then back home. Adrian  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
>> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann
>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:11 PM
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
>> I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but I beg to differ with Bala
>> (who does not live in the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL rebuild in
>> the US.  I have many customers quite happy with both my service capabilities
>> and my rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I have even had a part
>> manufactured to enable me to replace the unavailable relays which so often
>> give trouble.  I don't, however, ship internationally so can not help the
>> gentleman in the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in Steyning, West
>> Sussex?  WillyOn Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Bala Ganesh
>> <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:If you are sending your deck to the US, ESL labs
>> are the only ones for a full overhaul.  This is slowly a topic for
>> contention, but I believe it warrants another (friendly and insightful)
>> thread.  Rgds
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On 19/10/2012, at 3:32 AM, nikolay nikolaev <n.nikolaev at gmail.com> wrote:I
>> am living in UKOn Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Garner, Scott H
>> <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:Where do you live?  From:
>> naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of
>> nikolay nikolaev
>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:46 AM
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
>> Dear Friends,We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart
>> from recording.Our technician told us that the calibration of the type
>> before recording does not startand for this reasons recording is awful.Could
>> you tell me who could repair this machine?Or who could help our technician
>> to find the problem?Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair
>> Nakamichi 1000, but for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.Thanks in
>> advamce.Nikolay
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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 24 00:06:21 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:06:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi t-100
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das mooi dan.. ben zelf ook nederlander. woon en werk alleen over de grens. groeten, pieter
 Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi t-100
From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:08:10 +0200
To: naktalk at naks.com

Hi Peter,
I have seen T100 for about 300 euro on our local ebay called marktplaats.I live in the netherlands.So i would say 300 euro
Best regards
Norman

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Op 23 okt. 2012 om 22:11 heeft pieter rodgers <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com> het volgende geschreven:





hi guys (and gals)..
 
just as a matter of inetrest… there is a t-100 Audio analyzer for sale on ebay.. what would be a good price for that object???
starting price is just over 550 euro (about 600 or so USD) (I,ve started the bid...)
 
wouldn´t want to pay way too much, but would go further than what I´ve bid now..
 
greetz from germany
 
pieter
 
From: adrian at mechner.net
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:32:44 -0700

I totally agree with Willy. Even so I did not have a 1000ZXL to have rebuild with Willy, I would say he is indeed a great guy, knows exactly what he is doing and his rates are fantastic. I’m not going to disclose them if Willy does not do that himself, but Willy is the way to go, even if you’re on East Coast.I can do the international shipping if you decide to send it over to Willy (for free of course). You send it over to me and I send it to Willy for you and then back home. Adrian  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:11 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording I rarely post on NakTalk and hesitate to now but I beg to differ with Bala (who does not live in the US) about who is capable of a 1000ZXL rebuild in the US.  I have many customers quite happy with both my service capabilities and my rates and am quite capable of such a rebuild.  I have even had a part manufactured to enable me to replace the unavailable relays which so often give trouble.  I don't, however, ship internationally so can not help the gentleman in the UK.  Have you tried Bowers and Wilkens in Steyning, West Sussex?  WillyOn Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:If you are sending your deck to the US, ESL labs are the only ones for a full overhaul.  This is slowly a topic for contention, but I believe it warrants another (friendly and insightful) thread.  Rgds
Sent from my iPhone
On 19/10/2012, at 3:32 AM, nikolay nikolaev <n.nikolaev at gmail.com> wrote:I am living in UKOn Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Garner, Scott H <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:Where do you live?  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of nikolay nikolaev
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:46 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000zxl - problems with recording Dear Friends,We have Nakamichi 1000zxl. Everything is working properly apart from recording.Our technician told us that the calibration of the type before recording does not startand for this reasons recording is awful.Could you tell me who could repair this machine?Or who could help our technician to find the problem?Usually he repairs decks  and probably he might repair  Nakamichi 1000, but for Nakamichi 1000ZXL we need a help.Thanks in advamce.Nikolay  
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From adrian at mechner.net  Wed Oct 24 09:23:46 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:23:46 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...
Message-ID: <000001cdb1b8$81b4eff0$851ecfd0$@net>

Well, it looks like someone claims to be the best around. You need to read
the post to find that out.

Question:

Would anyone buy this deck? For this price?

I'm simply asking because if I would own this deck in this beat-up
condition, I would most likely avoid to have more cash put into it, however
not anyone thinks like me, this is why I'm asking.

Link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-3-Head-dual-capstan-cassette-Deck-R
estored-by-master-tech-/120996688696?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-3-Head-dual-capstan-cassette-Deck-
Restored-by-master-tech-/120996688696?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1c2
bf6f338> &hash=item1c2bf6f338

 

 

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From luis at peromarta.org  Wed Oct 24 11:57:35 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:57:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi t-100
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I agree.  

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 24/10/2012, a las 00:06, pieter rodgers <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com> escribió:

> das mooi dan..
>  
> ben zelf ook nederlander. woon en werk alleen over de grens.
>  
> groeten,
>  
> pieter



From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 24 12:58:51 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:58:51 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...
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Honestly, this is the kind of subpar work that could have sufficed maybe 10 or 15 years ago at the  most but not now. With a deck full of parts over a quarter century old, it needs a full tear down. 

I had mentioned many times that the sleeve bearings for the capstan shaft can be simply cleaned and replaced. This step has stumped quite a few people. Also, the method he overhauls the transport is cursory.  

A Dragon needs a lot more attention before it becomes a Dragon again which means making sure that ever aspect of the deck, including its mechanicals and electronics being IN SPEC. The better techs pass off with frequency response plots and thats it. But there's so much more. For starters, one has to listen to the mechanical noise of a running transport to gauge its performance. By listening, you get a feel for the state of the pressure roller and capstan shaft bearings ( the shaft uses two bearing systems ) and the assembly integrity of the mechanism. 

Without going through all these thorough steps, there's absolutely no point using original Nak jigs to align the transport. And there's no way you going to get the real dual direct drive performance of the Dragon. 

I hope most Naktalkers wizen up to such guys. Look closely at what is being really done to your machine the level of service it  goes through. The resistors, power caps and other components are over 25~30 years old in a Dragon. That is younger then the Space Shuttle and even the shuttle, after extensive maintenance, has been retired. 

Sent from my iPad

On 24 Oct, 2012, at 5:23 PM, "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net> wrote:

> Well, it looks like someone claims to be the best around. You need to read the post to find that out.
> Question:
> Would anyone buy this deck? For this price?
> I’m simply asking because if I would own this deck in this beat-up condition, I would most likely avoid to have more cash put into it, however not anyone thinks like me, this is why I’m asking.
> Link:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-3-Head-dual-capstan-cassette-Deck-Restored-by-master-tech-/120996688696?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1c2bf6f338
>  
>  
> Adrian
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 24 14:19:48 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:19:48 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
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The beauty of the auto-cal system is that it was very well executed. The algorithms used were far advanced for its time and even it's tape handling was simply amazing. The F series wouldn't appeal to most Nak fans though. 

The XK009s and later 9000s were more refined decks that were cassettes last attempts to stay relevant at a time when Digital was becoming mainstream. Whilst specs were slightly better, the sound of these decks were all becoming digital like. They seem to loose that big, soundstage and presence of the decks of the previous generation. 

Looking back at the Aiwa decks, one question that runs in my mind is why Nakamichi didn't come out with a CR7 like model earlier. Even the ZX series uses a linear counter instead of a real time tape counter! I would say, with their commitment in other areas, after the ZX9 and Dragon, cassette development wasn't as revolutionary as it was evolutionary within Nakamichi. 

Technics is another company that had so much potential, but weren't really coming out with solid designs like they did in the late 70s. I finally got my hands on the massive RS9900US with an optional meter unit. Great effort but it didn't seem to have hit the right spots to bring the performance of tape. They did get it right with the RS-M85 which is a beautiful sounding deck, and wonderfully built. 

Sent from my iPad

On 23 Oct, 2012, at 7:33 PM, "Martin Short" <shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi Bala,
>  
> Yes, a few  F series and the XK-009. My fav mainstream Japanese Non Naks. Totally agree with your comments on the F's.. the F770 compares well with the mid range Naks, I like the styling, and the auto cal system works very well.. able to tune in some strange formulations that were outside the adjustment range of my ZX-7.
>  
> Must go and compare the XK-009 to the CR-5 then, not having a CR-7!!
>  
> cheers,
>  
> Martin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bala Ganesh
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 8:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
> 
> Hi Martin, 
> 
> I have the XK-009 and it requires a contortionist maneuver, because of that clamping plate like you mentioned. The annoying thing is to work within that narrow window at the bottom that greatly restricts the degree of freedom in cleaning. 
> 
> I think Ram is having trouble due to the motorized door on his 9000.
> The 009 sounds so more like the CR7, rather cleaner and flat, with the typical Aiwa upper mid warmth though. I love the earlier F series that you mentioned which has a very enjoyable sound and years ahead of anything when it came out. Do you have Aiwa decks as well? 
> 
> Cheers and Regards,
> Bala 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 22 Oct, 2012, at 4:11 PM, "Martin Short" <shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz> wrote:
> 
>> Bala,
>>  
>> That is the method for the 'F' series  ( controls on the front tray), but the Excelia's and some of the lesser decks with the  cassette clamping mechanism require a more dexterous cleaning methodology.
>>  
>> cheers,
>>  
>> Martin
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Bala Ganesh
>> To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] An AIwa Question, if I may!
>> 
>> Lift and withdraw the cassette door well. Depress the cassette sense switch usually on the top left, and the capstan should spin up. The pressure rollers are cleaned manually, preferably with a felt tipped cleaning pen. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 21/10/2012, at 6:36 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I recently bought a superb condition AIWA XK-S9000 that works as good as it looks. However, I am at a loss to know how to clean the rollers and capstans on this unit.
>>> There is no way I can spin the capstans/rollers without a tape in the well. I tried holding the eject and then powering up the unit to no avail
>>> 
>>> Can someone describe the secret to this. I am not for using head and path cleaning tapes.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Ram.
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Wed Oct 24 13:41:44 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:41:44 -0200
Subject: RES: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...
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I´ve seen this add too...and quite frankly, the deck may sound great, and the seller may indeed be a master tech, but as Adrian says, "it is a bit too beat up" to fetch this rather stiff price...My two cents for you all...

Cheers,

 

Rodrigo Krause

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Adrian Mechner
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 24 de outubro de 2012 05:24
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...

 

Well, it looks like someone claims to be the best around. You need to read the post to find that out.

Question:

Would anyone buy this deck? For this price?

I'm simply asking because if I would own this deck in this beat-up condition, I would most likely avoid to have more cash put into it, however not anyone thinks like me, this is why I'm asking.

Link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-3-Head-dual-capstan-cassette-Deck-Restored-by-master-tech-/120996688696?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1c2bf6f338

 

 

Adrian


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Hi!

This tech has not discovered that the gauge he is using cant be used with a classic Nakamichi mechanism unless its modified.
When the cassette is inserted in an classic Nakamichi mechanism it rests on three plastic towers. Unfurtunate
the top tower is located just under the coutout on the gauge. Unless modified by filling the cutout on top of the gauge, the gauge will
tilt wich is clearly seen on his video. If you align with the gauge in this position the tape guides will be in the wrong position.

Otherwise this is an excellent gauge. I have modified it by filling the cutout with epoxyglue  and then sand it down so its flush
with the rest of the gauge.

Regards Pelle.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adrian Mechner 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:23 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...


  Well, it looks like someone claims to be the best around. You need to read the post to find that out.

  Question:

  Would anyone buy this deck? For this price?

  I'm simply asking because if I would own this deck in this beat-up condition, I would most likely avoid to have more cash put into it, however not anyone thinks like me, this is why I'm asking.

  Link:

  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-3-Head-dual-capstan-cassette-Deck-Restored-by-master-tech-/120996688696?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1c2bf6f338

   

   

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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Fri Oct 26 02:08:39 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:08:39 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
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Hi Pelle -

I ordered the motor but forgot to order the patented shaft stretcher you
must have ;-)  How have you found a way to use a 10.7mm shaft when the
original is 16.5?

Willy

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:56 AM, <paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se> wrote:

>   Hi all!
>
> The original Sankyo partnumber including the rubber wheel mechanism is
> BFS9B03 and is manufactured by Mabuchi.
>
> I think that Mabuchi partnumber RF-500TB-12560 could be a good substitute
> (I have never tried them though).
> They are also easily found on Ebay. If you compare the data sheet
> (attached) for this motor and compare it with the text I
> found on a french forum (also attached) you can see that they look rather
> similar.
>
> Good luck/Pelle.
>
>
>
>  *From:* Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2012 7:41 PM
> *To:* shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> ; Talk about
> Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
>
> The spooling motor is frequently the cause of such problems.  I have had
> some but little luck rebuilding these motors by disassembling them,
> cleaning the brushes and armature and relubing the bearings.  I had a great
> direct replacement from JVC I was using but they discontinued it last year
> and I have been unable to come up with a good sub since.  Anybody jump in
> here - please!  BTW, the lower the voltage to the spooling motor the lower
> the torque to the the tape.
> Willy
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:06 AM, shanti ramachandran <
> shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>  Willy, could you please answer Soumitra's question below? Thanks.
>>
>> Ram.
>>
>>   ------------------------------
>> *From:* s b <noneyhoney at hotmail.com>
>> *To:* "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:43 AM
>> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
>>
>>
>>   Hi Ram,
>> well, yesterday it played one tape fully till the end with no stoppages
>> (both sides), and another i was testing today had the stoppage problem. I
>> opened the mechanism and de-greased and lubed the reel motor. Im
>> wondering if adjusting the torque would have any effect. I dont have a
>> torque gauge so Im assuming lowering the speed (via the VR) would increase
>> torque or would it be increasing the speed ?
>> Also, i wonder if a general tape/CD motor (of similar dimensions and
>> screw hole positions) from the market would be a working replacement if in
>> case of dead spots ?
>> Thanks and regards
>> Soumitra
>>
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From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl  Fri Oct 26 09:52:31 2012
From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:52:31 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
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Hi Willy,

That is indeed the problem with that motor.
I did use a smaller motor with long shaft and put that inside the original motor.
That works for me. It is however not original and if that motor would run for many years, i don't know for sure.
I will post the number of the motor i use and will make a foto serie about the work to do.

Best regards

Norman

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Op 26 okt. 2012 om 02:08 heeft Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> het volgende geschreven:

> Hi Pelle -
> 
> I ordered the motor but forgot to order the patented shaft stretcher you must have ;-)  How have you found a way to use a 10.7mm shaft when the original is 16.5?  
> 
> Willy
> 
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:56 AM, <paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se> wrote:
>> Hi all!
>>  
>> The original Sankyo partnumber including the rubber wheel mechanism is BFS9B03 and is manufactured by Mabuchi.
>>  
>> I think that Mabuchi partnumber RF-500TB-12560 could be a good substitute (I have never tried them though).
>> They are also easily found on Ebay. If you compare the data sheet (attached) for this motor and compare it with the text I
>> found on a french forum (also attached) you can see that they look rather similar.
>>  
>> Good luck/Pelle.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: Willy Hermann
>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 7:41 PM
>> To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
>>  
>> The spooling motor is frequently the cause of such problems.  I have had some but little luck rebuilding these motors by disassembling them, cleaning the brushes and armature and relubing the bearings.  I had a great direct replacement from JVC I was using but they discontinued it last year and I have been unable to come up with a good sub since.  Anybody jump in here - please!  BTW, the lower the voltage to the spooling motor the lower the torque to the the tape.
>> Willy
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:06 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Willy, could you please answer Soumitra's question below? Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Ram.
>>>  
>>> From: s b <noneyhoney at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:43 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Hi Ram,
>>> well, yesterday it played one tape fully till the end with no stoppages (both sides), and another i was testing today had the stoppage problem. I opened the mechanism and de-greased and lubed the reel motor. Im wondering if adjusting the torque would have any effect. I dont have a torque gauge so Im assuming lowering the speed (via the VR) would increase torque or would it be increasing the speed ?
>>> Also, i wonder if a general tape/CD motor (of similar dimensions and screw hole positions) from the market would    be a working replacement if in case of dead spots ?
>>> Thanks and regards
>>> Soumitra
>>>  
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From n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl  Fri Oct 26 10:06:26 2012
From: n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl (Ziggo)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 10:06:26 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
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Hi again

I use the 
Mabuchi RF-310T Motor - 1.0 to 6 VDC - 2800 RPM RF-310
Very cheap motor. You have to place it inside the original case. You have to remove all inside the motor case including the magnet and use hot glue to get the new motor inside the case.
 It is not an easy job but the results here are very good.
As Ron mentioned in the past, this motor voltage range isn't exactly the same as the original motor but after a lot of measurement i did never get voltages on the original motor higher then 6 volts so i think it could do the job.

Best regards

Norman



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Op 26 okt. 2012 om 02:08 heeft Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> het volgende geschreven:

> Hi Pelle -
> 
> I ordered the motor but forgot to order the patented shaft stretcher you must have ;-)  How have you found a way to use a 10.7mm shaft when the original is 16.5?  
> 
> Willy
> 
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:56 AM, <paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se> wrote:
>> Hi all!
>>  
>> The original Sankyo partnumber including the rubber wheel mechanism is BFS9B03 and is manufactured by Mabuchi.
>>  
>> I think that Mabuchi partnumber RF-500TB-12560 could be a good substitute (I have never tried them though).
>> They are also easily found on Ebay. If you compare the data sheet (attached) for this motor and compare it with the text I
>> found on a french forum (also attached) you can see that they look rather similar.
>>  
>> Good luck/Pelle.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: Willy Hermann
>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 7:41 PM
>> To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
>>  
>> The spooling motor is frequently the cause of such problems.  I have had some but little luck rebuilding these motors by disassembling them, cleaning the brushes and armature and relubing the bearings.  I had a great direct replacement from JVC I was using but they discontinued it last year and I have been unable to come up with a good sub since.  Anybody jump in here - please!  BTW, the lower the voltage to the spooling motor the lower the torque to the the tape.
>> Willy
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:06 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Willy, could you please answer Soumitra's question below? Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Ram.
>>>  
>>> From: s b <noneyhoney at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:43 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Hi Ram,
>>> well, yesterday it played one tape fully till the end with no stoppages (both sides), and another i was testing today had the stoppage problem. I opened the mechanism and de-greased and lubed the reel motor. Im wondering if adjusting the torque would have any effect. I dont have a torque gauge so Im assuming lowering the speed (via the VR) would increase torque or would it be increasing the speed ?
>>> Also, i wonder if a general tape/CD motor (of similar dimensions and screw hole positions) from the market would    be a working replacement if in case of dead spots ?
>>> Thanks and regards
>>> Soumitra
>>>  
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Wed Oct 24 19:08:09 2012
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:08:09 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...
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Good eye Pelle, I have same gauge, had same problem and did same mod. It takes a lot more than just that gauge to set up properly as well.

Cheers,
Rainer   


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Pär Ericsson 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 6:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...


  Hi!

  This tech has not discovered that the gauge he is using cant be used with a classic Nakamichi mechanism unless its modified.
  When the cassette is inserted in an classic Nakamichi mechanism it rests on three plastic towers. Unfurtunate
  the top tower is located just under the coutout on the gauge. Unless modified by filling the cutout on top of the gauge, the gauge will
  tilt wich is clearly seen on his video. If you align with the gauge in this position the tape guides will be in the wrong position.

  Otherwise this is an excellent gauge. I have modified it by filling the cutout with epoxyglue  and then sand it down so its flush
  with the rest of the gauge.

  Regards Pelle.

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Adrian Mechner 
    To: naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:23 AM
    Subject: [naktalk] The "best" Nakamichi technician around...


    Well, it looks like someone claims to be the best around. You need to read the post to find that out.

    Question:

    Would anyone buy this deck? For this price?

    I'm simply asking because if I would own this deck in this beat-up condition, I would most likely avoid to have more cash put into it, however not anyone thinks like me, this is why I'm asking.

    Link:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-Dragon-3-Head-dual-capstan-cassette-Deck-Restored-by-master-tech-/120996688696?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1c2bf6f338

     

     

    Adrian



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From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se  Fri Oct 26 09:46:35 2012
From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:46:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
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Hi Willy!

Oops! I was only focusing on the voltage and rpm. The lenght of the shaft didnt strike me. 10.7 mm is to short, it should at least 14 mm in my opinion.
Unfortunate I have not yet discovered how to stretch a stainless steel shaft :-) I will continue and look for a replacement and let you know of any progress.

Pelle.

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Willy Hermann 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 2:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage


  Hi Pelle -


  I ordered the motor but forgot to order the patented shaft stretcher you must have ;-)  How have you found a way to use a 10.7mm shaft when the original is 16.5?  


  Willy


  On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:56 AM, <paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se> wrote:

    Hi all!

    The original Sankyo partnumber including the rubber wheel mechanism is BFS9B03 and is manufactured by Mabuchi.

    I think that Mabuchi partnumber RF-500TB-12560 could be a good substitute (I have never tried them though).
    They are also easily found on Ebay. If you compare the data sheet (attached) for this motor and compare it with the text I
    found on a french forum (also attached) you can see that they look rather similar.

    Good luck/Pelle.



    From: Willy Hermann 
    Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 7:41 PM
    To: shanti ramachandran ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage

    The spooling motor is frequently the cause of such problems.  I have had some but little luck rebuilding these motors by disassembling them, cleaning the brushes and armature and relubing the bearings.  I had a great direct replacement from JVC I was using but they discontinued it last year and I have been unable to come up with a good sub since.  Anybody jump in here - please!  BTW, the lower the voltage to the spooling motor the lower the torque to the the tape. 
    Willy


    On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:06 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

      Willy, could you please answer Soumitra's question below? Thanks.


      Ram.


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      To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
      Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:43 AM
      Subject: RE: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage



      Hi Ram, 
      well, yesterday it played one tape fully till the end with no stoppages (both sides), and another i was testing today had the stoppage problem. I opened the mechanism and de-greased and lubed the reel motor. Im wondering if adjusting the torque would have any effect. I dont have a torque gauge so Im assuming lowering the speed (via the VR) would increase torque or would it be increasing the speed ?
      Also, i wonder if a general tape/CD motor (of similar dimensions and screw hole positions) from the market would be a working replacement if in case of dead spots ?
      Thanks and regards
      Soumitra

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From francis.morrin at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 12:50:20 2012
From: francis.morrin at gmail.com (Fran Morrin)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:50:20 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
In-Reply-To: <1B1283A6-DD35-4EDD-A92D-F110279A853F@ziggo.nl>
References: <201210151002.q9FA05Mp015095@zxe.naks.com>
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I opened up my DR3 that had this problem and took out the mechanism to have
a better look. I thought I would have a try at upping the torque to the
motor to see if that would help.

Anyway, I had a thought while looking at the circuit which seems to have
been lucky. I decided to spray in some switch cleaner to the open frame
torque adjustment pot and worked it back and forth a few times before
returning it to its original position.

I've since played 8 x tape sides (a variety of tapes) with no tape
stoppage. Time will tell a fuller story but could it be that this is a
procedure worth doing on these decks? Was it just a lucky coincidence and
that moving the mechanism did something too? Certainly those little open
frame pots can get dirty (even though the inside of this deck was clean).

I wonder if someone else with the same/similar decks showing the tape
stoppage problem try this out?

Fran
On Oct 26, 2012 10:00 AM, "Ziggo" <n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl> wrote:

> Hi again
>
> I use the Mabuchi RF-310T Motor - 1.0 to 6 VDC - 2800 RPM RF-310
> Very cheap motor. You have to place it inside the original case. You have
> to remove all inside the motor case including the magnet and use hot glue
> to get the new motor inside the case.
>  It is not an easy job but the results here are very good.
> As Ron mentioned in the past, this motor voltage range isn't exactly the
> same as the original motor but after a lot of measurement i did never get
> voltages on the original motor higher then 6 volts so i think it could do
> the job.
>
> Best regards
>
> Norman
>
>
>
> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
>
> Op 26 okt. 2012 om 02:08 heeft Willy Hermann <
> willy at willyhermannservices.com> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Hi Pelle -
>
> I ordered the motor but forgot to order the patented shaft stretcher you
> must have ;-)  How have you found a way to use a 10.7mm shaft when the
> original is 16.5?
>
> Willy
>
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:56 AM, <paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se> wrote:
>
>>   Hi all!
>>
>> The original Sankyo partnumber including the rubber wheel mechanism is
>> BFS9B03 and is manufactured by Mabuchi.
>>
>> I think that Mabuchi partnumber RF-500TB-12560 could be a good substitute
>> (I have never tried them though).
>> They are also easily found on Ebay. If you compare the data sheet
>> (attached) for this motor and compare it with the text I
>> found on a french forum (also attached) you can see that they look rather
>> similar.
>>
>> Good luck/Pelle.
>>
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2012 7:41 PM
>> *To:* shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> ; Talk about
>> Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
>>
>> The spooling motor is frequently the cause of such problems.  I have had
>> some but little luck rebuilding these motors by disassembling them,
>> cleaning the brushes and armature and relubing the bearings.  I had a great
>> direct replacement from JVC I was using but they discontinued it last year
>> and I have been unable to come up with a good sub since.  Anybody jump in
>> here - please!  BTW, the lower the voltage to the spooling motor the lower
>> the torque to the the tape.
>> Willy
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:06 AM, shanti ramachandran <
>> shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Willy, could you please answer Soumitra's question below? Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ram.
>>>
>>>   ------------------------------
>>> *From:* s b <noneyhoney at hotmail.com>
>>> *To:* "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:43 AM
>>> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Causes of tape stoppage
>>>
>>>
>>>   Hi Ram,
>>> well, yesterday it played one tape fully till the end with no stoppages
>>> (both sides), and another i was testing today had the stoppage problem. I
>>> opened the mechanism and de-greased and lubed the reel motor. Im
>>> wondering if adjusting the torque would have any effect. I dont have a
>>> torque gauge so Im assuming lowering the speed (via the VR) would increase
>>> torque or would it be increasing the speed ?
>>> Also, i wonder if a general tape/CD motor (of similar dimensions and
>>> screw hole positions) from the market would be a working replacement if in
>>> case of dead spots ?
>>> Thanks and regards
>>> Soumitra
>>>
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From spok2000 at gmx.de  Mon Oct 29 00:56:21 2012
From: spok2000 at gmx.de (spok2000 at gmx.de)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 00:56:21 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem after speed indicator lamp replacement
Message-ID: <F3E0FAFB-331F-4F85-9212-C7EE1A3542BE@gmx.de>

Dear Naknuts-

I have a very strange problem.
I have my 680ZX in daily use for recording a nightly radio programme on 15/16ips low speed and listening to it during day time.
A few weeks ago I noticed that the indicator lamp for 1 7/8ips speed joined it's ancestors...and about two hours ago I decided to replace the bloody lamp.
I pulled the deck out of actually listening to last night's recording and as I'm quite firm in opening it up and putting it back together after around 40minutes later it was reinstalled with both lamps functional and I wanted to continue listening.

But no playback.
Source goes in and out though, meter responding but with switching to tape there's no output anymore (and no meter response).
Plugging in headphones reveal an ever so slight signal, so I didn't accidentally pulled out the head connectors from the PCB (which I checked anyway).
With switching to source there is some heavily distorted crosstalk from tape playback as well but even less level than what can be heard in tape playback position.
Holding the tape mon switch in a certain position halfway lets me hear the left channel off tape - but also heavily distorted.

3 or four times when I switched on power it started to play as if Timer Play was activated (which it wasn't) and I could not even stop it playing. It would stop as long as I hold STOP but would immediately resume playing on release of the STOP button (kind of like the play button was stuck - which it isn't). It would react normally then after another 10 seconds or so BUT in this state it would go into play mode by itself when swithing the tape mon switch to TAPE !!

This is way too strange.
It was running perfectly well just 2 hours ago ('cept for the lamp) and now I have a pot of worms.
Oh yes, and I am no dummy with these machines - I could rebuild a transport with stuck arms blindfolded.

So - what am I missing ?!
Is this a case of Nak-crazyness like the no-playback issue with the blown playback lamp in 480s?
I even changed it back to the state with the blown lamp at 1 7/8ips that it was in before - but that didn't help either

I am in for the idea that it is a strange coincidence, as it is too unlikely that something went wrong with the stupid lamp exchange.
Could it be the dang 4066's blew up ? (Replaced them with MM74HC4066's half a year ago btw. - sounded bit cleaner)

Does anyone have any idea what could have happened and where to look first ?
I'm quite good at all mechanical stuff and alignments but not with caps, resistors, scopes and stuff.
This is driving me ape - I need my deck !!

Best,
spok
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From adrian at mechner.net  Mon Oct 29 10:13:49 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 02:13:49 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem after speed indicator lamp replacement
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References: <F3E0FAFB-331F-4F85-9212-C7EE1A3542BE@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <9432A294-6C09-4ED2-AF7E-8784947008D2@mechner.net>

I can only think of a short during your job... Think hard and truy to remember if you dropped a screw or a tool while working on it. One more thing: there are no coincidences! This is, no doubt, an electronic failure and I suggest to send it in to a service.
Sorry for your loss,
Adrian

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On Oct 28, 2012, at 4:56 PM, "spok2000 at gmx.de" <spok2000 at gmx.de> wrote:

> Dear Naknuts-
> 
> I have a very strange problem.
> I have my 680ZX in daily use for recording a nightly radio programme on 15/16ips low speed and listening to it during day time.
> A few weeks ago I noticed that the indicator lamp for 1 7/8ips speed joined it's ancestors...and about two hours ago I decided to replace the bloody lamp.
> I pulled the deck out of actually listening to last night's recording and as I'm quite firm in opening it up and putting it back together after around 40minutes later it was reinstalled with both lamps functional and I wanted to continue listening.
> 
> But no playback.
> Source goes in and out though, meter responding but with switching to tape there's no output anymore (and no meter response).
> Plugging in headphones reveal an ever so slight signal, so I didn't accidentally pulled out the head connectors from the PCB (which I checked anyway).
> With switching to source there is some heavily distorted crosstalk from tape playback as well but even less level than what can be heard in tape playback position.
> Holding the tape mon switch in a certain position halfway lets me hear the left channel off tape - but also heavily distorted.
> 
> 3 or four times when I switched on power it started to play as if Timer Play was activated (which it wasn't) and I could not even stop it playing. It would stop as long as I hold STOP but would immediately resume playing on release of the STOP button (kind of like the play button was stuck - which it isn't). It would react normally then after another 10 seconds or so BUT in this state it would go into play mode by itself when swithing the tape mon switch to TAPE !!
> 
> This is way too strange.
> It was running perfectly well just 2 hours ago ('cept for the lamp) and now I have a pot of worms.
> Oh yes, and I am no dummy with these machines - I could rebuild a transport with stuck arms blindfolded.
> 
> So - what am I missing ?!
> Is this a case of Nak-crazyness like the no-playback issue with the blown playback lamp in 480s?
> I even changed it back to the state with the blown lamp at 1 7/8ips that it was in before - but that didn't help either
> 
> I am in for the idea that it is a strange coincidence, as it is too unlikely that something went wrong with the stupid lamp exchange.
> Could it be the dang 4066's blew up ? (Replaced them with MM74HC4066's half a year ago btw. - sounded bit cleaner)
> 
> Does anyone have any idea what could have happened and where to look first ?
> I'm quite good at all mechanical stuff and alignments but not with caps, resistors, scopes and stuff.
> This is driving me ape - I need my deck !!
> 
> Best,
> spok
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Mon Oct 29 13:59:03 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:59:03 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Speed indicator problem after 680zx relamp
Message-ID: <ypbwjkycmoqw6rd6lgmyxk0d.1351515543865@email.android.com>

I'm pretty sure the 680zx has the same blown play bulb/resistor mod needed, or no playback, as some other decks. It would be in the wiki in the service bulletin section. I just would have thought that you would notice the burnt out play bulb, since you were just replacing bulbs. I do the resistor mod whenever I open a 680zx, just in case.




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From adrian at mechner.net  Mon Oct 29 15:55:36 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 07:55:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Speed indicator problem after 680zx relamp
In-Reply-To: <ypbwjkycmoqw6rd6lgmyxk0d.1351515543865@email.android.com>
References: <ypbwjkycmoqw6rd6lgmyxk0d.1351515543865@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <000e01cdb5e5$74c22070$5e466150$@mechner.net>

I would say NOT, since it played just well with the blown lamp.
Adrian


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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 5:59 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Speed indicator problem after 680zx relamp

I'm pretty sure the 680zx has the same blown play bulb/resistor mod needed, or no playback, as some other decks. It would be in the wiki in the service bulletin section. I just would have thought that you would notice the burnt out play bulb, since you were just replacing bulbs. I do the resistor mod whenever I open a 680zx, just in case.




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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 29 16:29:30 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:29:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem after speed indicator lamp replacement
In-Reply-To: <F3E0FAFB-331F-4F85-9212-C7EE1A3542BE@gmx.de>
References: <F3E0FAFB-331F-4F85-9212-C7EE1A3542BE@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <1351524570.26481.YahooMailNeo@web160203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>



This is yet another case where tracing a signal is sure to pinpoint the problem. If you don't have 

a signal tracer,maybe you have a small hi-gain amp that can be pressed into service. Start by 

listening to the PB head output, then advance through the PB signal path until you discover 

where the signal disappears.

-- Ron



>________________________________
> From: "spok2000 at gmx.de" <spok2000 at gmx.de>
>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:56 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem after speed indicator lamp replacement
> 
>Dear Naknuts-
>
>I have a very strange problem.
>I have my 680ZX in daily use for recording a nightly radio programme on 15/16ips low speed and listening to it during day time.
>A few weeks ago I noticed that the indicator lamp for 1 7/8ips speed joined it's ancestors...and about two hours ago I decided to replace the bloody lamp.
>I pulled the deck out of actually listening to last night's recording and as I'm quite firm in opening it up and putting it back together after around 40minutes later it was reinstalled with both lamps functional and I wanted to continue listening.
>
>But no playback.
>Source goes in and out though, meter responding but with switching to tape there's no output anymore (and no meter response).
>Plugging in headphones reveal an ever so slight signal, so I didn't accidentally pulled out the head connectors from the PCB (which I checked anyway).
>With switching to source there is some heavily distorted crosstalk from tape playback as well but even less level than what can be heard in tape playback position.
>Holding the tape mon switch in a certain position halfway lets me hear the left channel off tape - but also heavily distorted.
>
>3 or four times when I switched on power it started to play as if Timer Play was activated (which it wasn't) and I could not even stop it playing. It would stop as long as I hold STOP but would immediately resume playing on release of the STOP button (kind of like the play button was stuck - which it isn't). It would react normally then after another 10 seconds or so BUT in this state it would go into play mode by itself when swithing the tape mon switch to TAPE !!
>
>This is way too strange.
>It was running perfectly well just 2 hours ago ('cept for the lamp) and now I have a pot of worms.
>Oh yes, and I am no dummy with these machines - I could rebuild a transport with stuck arms blindfolded.
>
>So - what am I missing ?!
>Is this a case of Nak-crazyness like the no-playback issue with the blown playback lamp in 480s?
>I even changed it back to the state with the blown lamp at 1 7/8ips that it was in before - but that didn't help either
>
>I am in for the idea that it is a strange coincidence, as it is too unlikely that something went wrong with the stupid lamp exchange.
>Could it be the dang 4066's blew up ? (Replaced them with MM74HC4066's half a year ago btw. - sounded bit cleaner)
>
>Does anyone have any idea what could have happened and where to look first ?
>I'm quite good at all mechanical stuff and alignments but not with caps, resistors, scopes and stuff.
>This is driving me ape - I need my deck !!
>
>Best,
>spok
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 29 18:03:34 2012
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 07:03:34 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem after speed indicator lamp replacement
In-Reply-To: <F3E0FAFB-331F-4F85-9212-C7EE1A3542BE@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP259EE4DAD6763B6823459B086630@phx.gbl>


Did the STOP lamp burn out? If so, check the wiki for the fix.
Aloha,
Cheryl 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of spok2000 at gmx.de
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 1:56 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem after speed indicator lamp replacement

Dear Naknuts-

I have a very strange problem.
I have my 680ZX in daily use for recording a nightly radio programme on
15/16ips low speed and listening to it during day time.
A few weeks ago I noticed that the indicator lamp for 1 7/8ips speed joined
it's ancestors...and about two hours ago I decided to replace the bloody
lamp.
I pulled the deck out of actually listening to last night's recording and as
I'm quite firm in opening it up and putting it back together after around
40minutes later it was reinstalled with both lamps functional and I wanted
to continue listening.

But no playback.
Source goes in and out though, meter responding but with switching to tape
there's no output anymore (and no meter response).
Plugging in headphones reveal an ever so slight signal, so I didn't
accidentally pulled out the head connectors from the PCB (which I checked
anyway).
With switching to source there is some heavily distorted crosstalk from tape
playback as well but even less level than what can be heard in tape playback
position.
Holding the tape mon switch in a certain position halfway lets me hear the
left channel off tape - but also heavily distorted.

3 or four times when I switched on power it started to play as if Timer Play
was activated (which it wasn't) and I could not even stop it playing. It
would stop as long as I hold STOP but would immediately resume playing on
release of the STOP button (kind of like the play button was stuck - which
it isn't). It would react normally then after another 10 seconds or so BUT
in this state it would go into play mode by itself when swithing the tape
mon switch to TAPE !!

This is way too strange.
It was running perfectly well just 2 hours ago ('cept for the lamp) and now
I have a pot of worms.
Oh yes, and I am no dummy with these machines - I could rebuild a transport
with stuck arms blindfolded.

So - what am I missing ?!
Is this a case of Nak-crazyness like the no-playback issue with the blown
playback lamp in 480s?
I even changed it back to the state with the blown lamp at 1 7/8ips that it
was in before - but that didn't help either

I am in for the idea that it is a strange coincidence, as it is too unlikely
that something went wrong with the stupid lamp exchange.
Could it be the dang 4066's blew up ? (Replaced them with MM74HC4066's half
a year ago btw. - sounded bit cleaner)

Does anyone have any idea what could have happened and where to look first ?
I'm quite good at all mechanical stuff and alignments but not with caps,
resistors, scopes and stuff.
This is driving me ape - I need my deck !!

Best,
spok



From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se  Mon Oct 29 19:22:19 2012
From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:22:19 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem after speed indicator lamp replacement
References: <BLU0-SMTP259EE4DAD6763B6823459B086630@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BD9623A424DE44B791A4D1C388FE00F4@superdator>

Hi!

Could it be that you use a lamp that draws less current than required to 
disable the mute function?
I use 12 volt 50 mA bulbs and it always works.

Pelle.

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From: "Cheryl Kaupp" <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 6:03 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680ZX problem after speed indicator lamp replacement


>
> Did the STOP lamp burn out? If so, check the wiki for the fix.
> Aloha,
> Cheryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of spok2000 at gmx.de
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 1:56 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem after speed indicator lamp replacement
>
> Dear Naknuts-
>
> I have a very strange problem.
> I have my 680ZX in daily use for recording a nightly radio programme on
> 15/16ips low speed and listening to it during day time.
> A few weeks ago I noticed that the indicator lamp for 1 7/8ips speed 
> joined
> it's ancestors...and about two hours ago I decided to replace the bloody
> lamp.
> I pulled the deck out of actually listening to last night's recording and 
> as
> I'm quite firm in opening it up and putting it back together after around
> 40minutes later it was reinstalled with both lamps functional and I wanted
> to continue listening.
>
> But no playback.
> Source goes in and out though, meter responding but with switching to tape
> there's no output anymore (and no meter response).
> Plugging in headphones reveal an ever so slight signal, so I didn't
> accidentally pulled out the head connectors from the PCB (which I checked
> anyway).
> With switching to source there is some heavily distorted crosstalk from 
> tape
> playback as well but even less level than what can be heard in tape 
> playback
> position.
> Holding the tape mon switch in a certain position halfway lets me hear the
> left channel off tape - but also heavily distorted.
>
> 3 or four times when I switched on power it started to play as if Timer 
> Play
> was activated (which it wasn't) and I could not even stop it playing. It
> would stop as long as I hold STOP but would immediately resume playing on
> release of the STOP button (kind of like the play button was stuck - which
> it isn't). It would react normally then after another 10 seconds or so BUT
> in this state it would go into play mode by itself when swithing the tape
> mon switch to TAPE !!
>
> This is way too strange.
> It was running perfectly well just 2 hours ago ('cept for the lamp) and 
> now
> I have a pot of worms.
> Oh yes, and I am no dummy with these machines - I could rebuild a 
> transport
> with stuck arms blindfolded.
>
> So - what am I missing ?!
> Is this a case of Nak-crazyness like the no-playback issue with the blown
> playback lamp in 480s?
> I even changed it back to the state with the blown lamp at 1 7/8ips that 
> it
> was in before - but that didn't help either
>
> I am in for the idea that it is a strange coincidence, as it is too 
> unlikely
> that something went wrong with the stupid lamp exchange.
> Could it be the dang 4066's blew up ? (Replaced them with MM74HC4066's 
> half
> a year ago btw. - sounded bit cleaner)
>
> Does anyone have any idea what could have happened and where to look first 
> ?
> I'm quite good at all mechanical stuff and alignments but not with caps,
> resistors, scopes and stuff.
> This is driving me ape - I need my deck !!
>
> Best,
> spok
>
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From spok2000 at gmx.de  Tue Oct 30 23:36:52 2012
From: spok2000 at gmx.de (spok2000 at gmx.de)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:36:52 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem after speed lamp replacement - yeah
In-Reply-To: <201210301126.q9UB7o7F008638@zxe.naks.com>
References: <201210301126.q9UB7o7F008638@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <E1A12FAB-529A-44A0-B7A8-920A5FE7FCBB@gmx.de>

Dear all - it was indeed the stop lamp that fooled me.
What a strange coincidence. I replace the speed indicator lamp and in the same moment the stop lamp goes.
Thank you for all your answers, thoughts and private emails !

I knew it had to be something insanely stupid:
A lamp that indicating that the deck is doing nothing - i never even noticed it was there !

And I also knew I didn't lost a screwdriver inside a powered up deck or did ANYTHING wrong.
Will read the resistor mod now and also never forget this one. Gosh.

THX again - you're all great !

Best,
spok

> From: "Perry.nak" <perry.nak at comcast.net>
> 
> I'm pretty sure the 680zx has the same blown play bulb/resistor mod needed, or no playback, as some other decks. It would be in the wiki in the service bulletin section. I just would have thought that you would notice the burnt out play bulb, since you were just replacing bulbs. I do the resistor mod whenever I open a 680zx, just in case.

> From: "Adrian Mechner" <adrian at mechner.net>
> 
> I would say NOT, since it played just well with the blown lamp.
> Adrian

> From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
> 
> This is yet another case where tracing a signal is sure to pinpoint the problem. If you don't have 
> a signal tracer,maybe you have a small hi-gain amp that can be pressed into service. Start by 
> listening to the PB head output, then advance through the PB signal path until you discover 
> where the signal disappears.

> From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
> 
> Did the STOP lamp burn out? If so, check the wiki for the fix.
> Aloha,
> Cheryl 

> From: P?r Ericsson <paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se>
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Could it be that you use a lamp that draws less current than required to 
> disable the mute function?
> I use 12 volt 50 mA bulbs and it always works.
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Wed Oct 31 14:07:10 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (Perry.nak)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:07:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
Message-ID: <staq1oq0hfycm86xcejb61ug.1351688830343@email.android.com>

You're very welcome. Thanks for catching that Cheryl. I knew it was the Stop bulb, I've done enough of them, but I just kept typing Play. Old age I guess. It's an easy fix, clearly defined in the service bulletin in the wiki.




Sent from my NOOK



From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 31 22:19:41 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:19:41 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
In-Reply-To: <staq1oq0hfycm86xcejb61ug.1351688830343@email.android.com>
References: <staq1oq0hfycm86xcejb61ug.1351688830343@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <BAY156-W135E91595E2D2A126AA2C4E3610@phx.gbl>


hiya all.. I recently have taken the front off of my zx-9 to get to the pots (needed to get the tape/ source switch to funktion correctly, which it does..) and after assembling  it again I have the following problem: when I insert a cassette it does not fast forward.. it tries to, but it can´t.. everything else works fine (even when I close the door without a tape it will fast forward for a sec...).. did not have this Problem before..must admit I had a hell of a time wrigling the front back on again!! should I remove the front again, see if it winds and then try to assemlbe again with great care?? anyone a tip on what and what not to do (besides the obvious: let someone with more Know-how have a gander ;)  ) joy..pieter, germany
 > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:07:10 -0400
> From: perry.nak at comcast.net
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
> 
> You're very welcome. Thanks for catching that Cheryl. I knew it was the Stop bulb, I've done enough of them, but I just kept typing Play. Old age I guess. It's an easy fix, clearly defined in the service bulletin in the wiki.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my NOOK
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From adrian at mechner.net  Wed Oct 31 22:58:52 2012
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:58:52 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
In-Reply-To: <BAY156-W135E91595E2D2A126AA2C4E3610@phx.gbl>
References: <staq1oq0hfycm86xcejb61ug.1351688830343@email.android.com>
	<BAY156-W135E91595E2D2A126AA2C4E3610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000a01cdb7b2$eabae130$c030a390$@mechner.net>

To solve the tape/source dial issue you don’t need to take the front of in
the first place.

It looks like you did something wrong; I would open it again and assamble it
very carefully.

What exactly did you do with the tape/source dial?

Adrian

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of pieter rodgers
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:20 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb

 

hiya all..
 
I recently have taken the front off of my zx-9 to get to the pots (needed to
get the tape/ source switch to funktion correctly, which it does..) and
after assembling  it again I have the following problem: when I insert a
cassette it does not fast forward.. it tries to, but it can´t.. everything
else works fine (even when I close the door without a tape it will fast
forward for a sec...).. did not have this Problem before..
must admit I had a hell of a time wrigling the front back on again!! should
I remove the front again, see if it winds and then try to assemlbe again
with great care?? anyone a tip on what and what not to do (besides the
obvious: let someone with more Know-how have a gander ;)  )
 
joy..
pieter, germany
 

> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:07:10 -0400
> From: perry.nak at comcast.net <mailto:perry.nak at comcast.net> 
> To: naktalk at naks.com <mailto:naktalk at naks.com> 
> Subject: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
> 
> You're very welcome. Thanks for catching that Cheryl. I knew it was the
Stop bulb, I've done enough of them, but I just kept typing Play. Old age I
guess. It's an easy fix, clearly defined in the service bulletin in the
wiki.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my NOOK
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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 31 23:37:56 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:37:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
In-Reply-To: <000a01cdb7b2$eabae130$c030a390$@mechner.net>
References: <staq1oq0hfycm86xcejb61ug.1351688830343@email.android.com>,
	<BAY156-W135E91595E2D2A126AA2C4E3610@phx.gbl>,
	<000a01cdb7b2$eabae130$c030a390$@mechner.net>
Message-ID: <BAY156-W1244365A1B509C2076B406E3610@phx.gbl>


I sprayed it with some contact spray. during recording the level sometimes dropped on the right. after turning thes Switch a couple of times it was over.. I used a contact spray and now it works fine.. except for that first winding of the tape..think I will take it off again and re-assemble thanks
 From: adrian at mechner.net
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:58:52 -0700


To solve the tape/source dial issue you don’t need to take the front of in the first place.It looks like you did something wrong; I would open it again and assamble it very carefully.What exactly did you do with the tape/source dial?Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of pieter rodgers
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:20 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb hiya all..
 
I recently have taken the front off of my zx-9 to get to the pots (needed to get the tape/ source switch to funktion correctly, which it does..) and after assembling  it again I have the following problem: when I insert a cassette it does not fast forward.. it tries to, but it can´t.. everything else works fine (even when I close the door without a tape it will fast forward for a sec...).. did not have this Problem before..
must admit I had a hell of a time wrigling the front back on again!! should I remove the front again, see if it winds and then try to assemlbe again with great care?? anyone a tip on what and what not to do (besides the obvious: let someone with more Know-how have a gander ;)  )
 
joy..
pieter, germany
 > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:07:10 -0400
> From: perry.nak at comcast.net
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Stop bub, not Play bulb
> 
> You're very welcome. Thanks for catching that Cheryl. I knew it was the Stop bulb, I've done enough of them, but I just kept typing Play. Old age I guess. It's an easy fix, clearly defined in the service bulletin in the wiki.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my NOOK
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From spok2000 at gmx.de  Sat Sep  1 03:51:07 2012
From: spok2000 at gmx.de (spok2000 at gmx.de)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 03:51:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] High Com II with issues
In-Reply-To: <201208311027.q7VA85pB009082@zxe.naks.com>
References: <201208311027.q7VA85pB009082@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <DA76ECB9-CB30-4962-8670-824D2C5CBF96@gmx.de>

Greetingz 2 all Nak nuts  !

Just recently I finally got hold of the High Com II to accompany my 680ZX.
Not that I really need it, as I have a Telefunken High Com CN750 in use since 1981 and the Nak isn't compatible - but these two just look eff-ing insanely great next to each other.

Problem is, the machine got issues and there is not too much information floating around the internet.
Started with that I wasn't able to find the technical manual for download (got one now from a repair shop) and probably doesn't end with not finding any reports on common or known issues.

First off, none of the levels, not even the internal oscillator are on spec.
Second - it's got the dreaded Orangs Caps inside.
Third - one of the meters is dancing a funky dance, seems that is way too sensitive. Not really in terms of level alone but it kind of exaggerates the dynamics in comparison to the other channel's meter. Reaching a certain threshold it just overshoots and hits scale end where it dances like a vibrating spider until level is reduced below overshoot threshold.

I will start replacing all Orange Caps anyway, check levels, voltages and regulators but is there anyone of you guys who maybe has some experience to share about this rare unit and possible common diseases or maybe even knows about the described behavior ?

Best,
spok

(FYI - I have also posted this on tapeheads.net, including a nice pic)


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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Sat Sep  1 13:37:21 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 11:37:21 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] ANT4066 on Dragon
Message-ID: <1172092573-1346499442-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1318103560-@b16.c16.bise6.blackberry>

I should mention also, that I do agree with Ram often, and also do about this not being a wholesale automatic retrofit on any Dragon. Of the 4 Dragons I have only one has the ANT4066. Part of this is cost related,  but also, much of it is that the sound difference is pretty slight. There are SO many other more prevalent distortion points within any cassette deck, and so many other conventional sources of improvement, that this one is not a deal breaker by any stretch.  While some call the original 4066 the "sound destroyer", I can not go along with that. I feel that Nakamichi brought the lowly compact cassette to levels not dreamed of by Phillips, and it is a source of joy and satisfaction to me every day, when I pop in a 25 cent prerecorded cassette to be rewarded with great hi fidelity. The Dragon is my favorite deck, followed by the RX-505. Both offer technical achievements along with awesome sound.
Perry Esposito - From my phone


From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  2 01:41:31 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 16:41:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] ANT4066 on Dragon
In-Reply-To: <1172092573-1346499442-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1318103560-@b16.c16.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1172092573-1346499442-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1318103560-@b16.c16.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1346542891.53576.YahooMailNeo@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Cheers Perry. Have a great labor day weekend! I am.

Ram


________________________________
 From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" <perry.nak at comcast.net>
To: Naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 7:37 AM
Subject: [naktalk] ANT4066 on Dragon
 
I should mention also, that I do agree with Ram often, and also do about this not being a wholesale automatic retrofit on any Dragon. Of the 4 Dragons I have only one has the ANT4066. Part of this is cost related,  but also, much of it is that the sound difference is pretty slight. There are SO many other more prevalent distortion points within any cassette deck, and so many other conventional sources of improvement, that this one is not a deal breaker by any stretch.  While some call the original 4066 the "sound destroyer", I can not go along with that. I feel that Nakamichi brought the lowly compact cassette to levels not dreamed of by Phillips, and it is a source of joy and satisfaction to me every day, when I pop in a 25 cent prerecorded cassette to be rewarded with great hi fidelity. The Dragon is my favorite deck, followed by the RX-505. Both offer technical achievements along with awesome sound.
Perry Esposito - From my phone
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  2 18:39:37 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 09:39:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] C-Mos CPU
In-Reply-To: <BLU157-W3AE648C13F3C30142505AEBB80@phx.gbl>
References: <64069B96-5546-455A-87E5-FABB6F9D2CC9@gmail.com>
	<BLU157-W3AE648C13F3C30142505AEBB80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1346603977.5735.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I have one of those and, let me tell you, in  some cases it was a huge, 
huge time saver.

--Ron






>________________________________
> From: john taylor <jfj_taylor at hotmail.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:05 AM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] C-Mos CPU
> 
>
> 
>Hi everybody,
>                    to anyone who's interested below is the link to a company selling Nakamichi CR7 test units DA09101A, I bought one myself about a year ago.
>http://www.piexx.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=65
> 
>regards, John.
> 
>
>
>________________________________
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com
>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:26:49 +0200
>Subject: [naktalk] C-Mos CPU
>
>
>Hi,listeners,
>
>
>When  Nakamichi did used CMOS IC on  Decks like 580, they explain this in the SERVICE Manuals how this IC´s work in the logic PCB.
>
>
>Can one of you give a  overview explanation of a ZXL CPU ?
>
>
>Where is  the 450 milliseconds  pulse from,  on the IC 713, witch can be adjust on VR 702. ?
>
>
>Where are this 450ms are switched on if the Deck  goes on calibration modus?
>
>
>Where are the 2 to 6 Volts on  IC 101/201 from, to carry the 105kHZ to the amplifier IC 301.
>
>
>Thank you for your time.
>
>
>Gerhard
>
>
>
>
>
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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Sun Sep  2 21:52:30 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 21:52:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9  quality
Message-ID: <20120902215230.53972psdgbroijuo@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>

Hi all,

I did a complete overhaul of a zx9 deck and now i'm listening to it on  
my nakamichi pre and power amp and a pair of old b&w matrix speakers.  
Wow what a unbelievable sound this zx9 gives. Tom Petty never sounds  
dull, Very deep lows and sweet highs , and with equipment more then 30  
years old.
Great. It's a pitty that this zx9 was sold but you can't hold them all.
Just a little story from a nak fan.

Regards Norman


From luis at peromarta.org  Sun Sep  2 22:27:13 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 22:27:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9  quality
In-Reply-To: <20120902215230.53972psdgbroijuo@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
References: <20120902215230.53972psdgbroijuo@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
Message-ID: <F58AED1F-344F-44C4-8C18-01B6A2743420@peromarta.org>

This is my favourite after the 1000ZXL. Excellent deck. I also have a mint completely overhauled ZX9!!

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 02/09/2012, a las 21:52, naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl escribió:

> Hi all,
> 
> I did a complete overhaul of a zx9 deck and now i'm listening to it on my nakamichi pre and power amp and a pair of old b&w matrix speakers. Wow what a unbelievable sound this zx9 gives. Tom Petty never sounds dull, Very deep lows and sweet highs , and with equipment more then 30 years old.
> Great. It's a pitty that this zx9 was sold but you can't hold them all.
> Just a little story from a nak fan.
> 
> Regards Norman
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From luis at peromarta.org  Sun Sep  2 22:27:13 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 22:27:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9  quality
In-Reply-To: <20120902215230.53972psdgbroijuo@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
References: <20120902215230.53972psdgbroijuo@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
Message-ID: <F58AED1F-344F-44C4-8C18-01B6A2743420@peromarta.org>

This is my favourite after the 1000ZXL. Excellent deck. I also have a mint completely overhauled ZX9!!

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 02/09/2012, a las 21:52, naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl escribió:

> Hi all,
> 
> I did a complete overhaul of a zx9 deck and now i'm listening to it on my nakamichi pre and power amp and a pair of old b&w matrix speakers. Wow what a unbelievable sound this zx9 gives. Tom Petty never sounds dull, Very deep lows and sweet highs , and with equipment more then 30 years old.
> Great. It's a pitty that this zx9 was sold but you can't hold them all.
> Just a little story from a nak fan.
> 
> Regards Norman
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  3 01:30:06 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 09:30:06 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9  quality
In-Reply-To: <F58AED1F-344F-44C4-8C18-01B6A2743420@peromarta.org>
References: <20120902215230.53972psdgbroijuo@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<F58AED1F-344F-44C4-8C18-01B6A2743420@peromarta.org>
Message-ID: <F345D9B2-85B1-47EC-9BBA-330894B0AD55@yahoo.com>

After the 1000ZXL, LP? 

Sent from my iPhone

On 03/09/2012, at 6:27 AM, Luis Peromarta <luis at peromarta.org> wrote:

> This is my favourite after the 1000ZXL. Excellent deck. I also have a mint completely overhauled ZX9!!
> 
> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.
> 
> El 02/09/2012, a las 21:52, naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl escribió:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I did a complete overhaul of a zx9 deck and now i'm listening to it on my nakamichi pre and power amp and a pair of old b&w matrix speakers. Wow what a unbelievable sound this zx9 gives. Tom Petty never sounds dull, Very deep lows and sweet highs , and with equipment more then 30 years old.
>> Great. It's a pitty that this zx9 was sold but you can't hold them all.
>> Just a little story from a nak fan.
>> 
>> Regards Norman
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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From luis at peromarta.org  Mon Sep  3 08:36:09 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 08:36:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9  quality
In-Reply-To: <F345D9B2-85B1-47EC-9BBA-330894B0AD55@yahoo.com>
References: <20120902215230.53972psdgbroijuo@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<F58AED1F-344F-44C4-8C18-01B6A2743420@peromarta.org>
	<F345D9B2-85B1-47EC-9BBA-330894B0AD55@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B1E240BF-0254-4A0D-B2AC-CDCA40811435@peromarta.org>

Yes. Being my favorite the 1000ZXL, after goes the ZX9.

;)

El 03/09/2012, a las 01:30, Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com> escribió:

> After the 1000ZXL, LP? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 03/09/2012, at 6:27 AM, Luis Peromarta <luis at peromarta.org> wrote:
> 
>> This is my favourite after the 1000ZXL. Excellent deck. I also have a mint completely overhauled ZX9!!
>> 
>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.
>> 
>> El 02/09/2012, a las 21:52, naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl escribió:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I did a complete overhaul of a zx9 deck and now i'm listening to it on my nakamichi pre and power amp and a pair of old b&w matrix speakers. Wow what a unbelievable sound this zx9 gives. Tom Petty never sounds dull, Very deep lows and sweet highs , and with equipment more then 30 years old.
>>> Great. It's a pitty that this zx9 was sold but you can't hold them all.
>>> Just a little story from a nak fan.
>>> 
>>> Regards Norman
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Sun Sep  2 22:34:54 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ronald Witt)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 16:34:54 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9  quality
In-Reply-To: <20120902215230.53972psdgbroijuo@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
References: <20120902215230.53972psdgbroijuo@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
Message-ID: <1BA1B928-5BA7-4220-B8F7-631FBDC70994@rochester.rr.com>

I feel the same way about my ZX-7. There are subtle differences between the two decks but the music never sounded better. Good for you fella!
Enjoy!

Ron

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 2, 2012, at 3:52 PM, naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I did a complete overhaul of a zx9 deck and now i'm listening to it on my nakamichi pre and power amp and a pair of old b&w matrix speakers. Wow what a unbelievable sound this zx9 gives. Tom Petty never sounds dull, Very deep lows and sweet highs , and with equipment more then 30 years old.
> Great. It's a pitty that this zx9 was sold but you can't hold them all.
> Just a little story from a nak fan.
> 
> Regards Norman
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Mon Sep  3 10:15:12 2012
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 10:15:12 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9  quality
In-Reply-To: <20120902215230.53972psdgbroijuo@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
References: <20120902215230.53972psdgbroijuo@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
Message-ID: <50446710.8000005@univ-rennes1.fr>

"Very deep lows and sweet highs" :

would like to be the author of this so-true description for the ZX-9 !

bb


Le 02/09/2012 21:52, naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl a écrit :
> Hi all,
>
> I did a complete overhaul of a zx9 deck and now i'm listening to it on 
> my nakamichi pre and power amp and a pair of old b&w matrix speakers. 
> Wow what a unbelievable sound this zx9 gives. Tom Petty never sounds 
> dull, Very deep lows and sweet highs , and with equipment more then 30 
> years old.
> Great. It's a pitty that this zx9 was sold but you can't hold them all.
> Just a little story from a nak fan.
>
> Regards Norman
> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= 
>
>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= 
>
>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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>
>


From serbianduke13 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 12:50:44 2012
From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 12:50:44 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
In-Reply-To: <50446710.8000005@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <20120902215230.53972psdgbroijuo@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<50446710.8000005@univ-rennes1.fr>
Message-ID: <CAG+rBzKB=OWUROjFM4JEGFdKVMXKnr7wDNMeN-A72mYUwgF5YA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am
more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous
decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125,
BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9

Dragon from Serba

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:

> "Very deep lows and sweet highs" :
>
> would like to be the author of this so-true description for the ZX-9 !
>
> bb
>
>
> Le 02/09/2012 21:52, naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl a écrit :
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I did a complete overhaul of a zx9 deck and now i'm listening to it on my
>> nakamichi pre and power amp and a pair of old b&w matrix speakers. Wow what
>> a unbelievable sound this zx9 gives. Tom Petty never sounds dull, Very deep
>> lows and sweet highs , and with equipment more then 30 years old.
>> Great. It's a pitty that this zx9 was sold but you can't hold them all.
>> Just a little story from a nak fan.
>>
>> Regards Norman
>> ========----------------------**------------------------------**-----=========
>>
>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>> ========----------------------**------------------------------**-----=========
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 14:32:04 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 14:32:04 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TX 1000
Message-ID: <918FCDF0-E0D3-432E-9ED9-04265B5FA370@gmail.com>


Hi,

There is a Auction  in Japan, with very nice technic photos from the  
TX-1000.

The price is  same like new in 1981, the seller says.

Good to see  Auction  photos anyway.

regards

Gerhard

http://page22.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/l141074214

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From josephjean at verizon.net  Mon Sep  3 15:22:00 2012
From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 09:22:00 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
Message-ID: <0M9R006RZZSA6153@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>

What does this mean?

Dragon from Serba

Roland

-----Original Message-----

From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
Size:  520 bytes
To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>

Hi there,

I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125, BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
 
Dragon from Serba

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Mon Sep  3 15:25:04 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 10:25:04 -0300
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
In-Reply-To: <CAG+rBzKB=OWUROjFM4JEGFdKVMXKnr7wDNMeN-A72mYUwgF5YA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120902215230.53972psdgbroijuo@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl><50446710.8000005@univ-rennes1.fr>
	<CAG+rBzKB=OWUROjFM4JEGFdKVMXKnr7wDNMeN-A72mYUwgF5YA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC404FD9E52@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

...which only shows that listening is a personal thing and cannot be compared...! I own a 660ZX which I deem fabulous. But I did buy a ZX7 and still haven´t put it to the test. My conclusion is what you all know: there are few if any contestants to Nakamichi´s greatness!!!

Good day to you all!

 

Rodrigo Krause

 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Dragan Vojvodic
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 3 de setembro de 2012 07:51
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality

 

Hi there,

I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125, BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9

Dragon from Serba

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:

"Very deep lows and sweet highs" :

would like to be the author of this so-true description for the ZX-9 !

bb


Le 02/09/2012 21:52, naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl a écrit :

Hi all,

I did a complete overhaul of a zx9 deck and now i'm listening to it on my nakamichi pre and power amp and a pair of old b&w matrix speakers. Wow what a unbelievable sound this zx9 gives. Tom Petty never sounds dull, Very deep lows and sweet highs , and with equipment more then 30 years old.
Great. It's a pitty that this zx9 was sold but you can't hold them all.
Just a little story from a nak fan.

Regards Norman
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From serbianduke13 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 16:14:26 2012
From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 16:14:26 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
In-Reply-To: <0M9R006RZZSA6153@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0M9R006RZZSA6153@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <CAG+rBzJZyH0Jpo+vYODMD8fvdqpZP+Soy-X5xs22qCL43LPNSg@mail.gmail.com>

My name is Dragon and I come from Serbia...

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 3:22 PM, goodguy <josephjean at verizon.net> wrote:

> What does this mean?
>
> Dragon from Serba
>
> Roland
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
> Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
> Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
> Size:  520 bytes
> To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
> Hi there,
>
> I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am
> more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous
> decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125,
> BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
>
> Dragon from Serba
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr>
> wrote:
>   --- message truncated ---
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From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Mon Sep  3 16:17:18 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ron Witt)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 10:17:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
References: <0M9R006RZZSA6153@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <5936476D970545EA80AFF007C77653F6@3OOPM2BNWQ>

He likes his 682ZX.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "goodguy" <josephjean at verizon.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality


> What does this mean?
>
> Dragon from Serba
>
> Roland
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
> Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
> Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
> Size:  520 bytes
> To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
> Hi there,
>
> I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am 
> more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. 
> Previous decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, 
> BX-125, BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
>
> Dragon from Serba
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr> 
> wrote:
>  --- message truncated --- 
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From luis at peromarta.org  Mon Sep  3 16:40:37 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 16:40:37 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
In-Reply-To: <CAG+rBzKB=OWUROjFM4JEGFdKVMXKnr7wDNMeN-A72mYUwgF5YA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120902215230.53972psdgbroijuo@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>
	<50446710.8000005@univ-rennes1.fr>
	<CAG+rBzKB=OWUROjFM4JEGFdKVMXKnr7wDNMeN-A72mYUwgF5YA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1C689B72-1650-4E43-A69E-9B97C0163EE7@peromarta.org>

I bet your ZX9 was not in top condition as it beats all the rest. 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 03/09/2012, a las 12:50, Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com> escribió:

> Hi there,
> 
> I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125, BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
> 
> Dragon from Serba
> 
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:
> "Very deep lows and sweet highs" :
> 
> would like to be the author of this so-true description for the ZX-9 !
> 
> bb
> 
> 
> Le 02/09/2012 21:52, naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl a écrit :
> Hi all,
> 
> I did a complete overhaul of a zx9 deck and now i'm listening to it on my nakamichi pre and power amp and a pair of old b&w matrix speakers. Wow what a unbelievable sound this zx9 gives. Tom Petty never sounds dull, Very deep lows and sweet highs , and with equipment more then 30 years old.
> Great. It's a pitty that this zx9 was sold but you can't hold them all.
> Just a little story from a nak fan.
> 
> Regards Norman
> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= 
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  3 16:43:04 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 07:43:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] TX 1000
In-Reply-To: <918FCDF0-E0D3-432E-9ED9-04265B5FA370@gmail.com>
References: <918FCDF0-E0D3-432E-9ED9-04265B5FA370@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1346683384.87578.YahooMailNeo@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The seller perhaps, has forgot that then the exchange rates were 300 yen=$1US. Today, its somewhere near 75 to a dollar.

If one spends close to $15000 for a turntable today, one can find a state of the art table with a superb cartridge and preamp that will more than compensate
for the off centering of records and sound great.

Interesting listing though!

Ram.


________________________________
 From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 8:32 AM
Subject: [naktalk] TX 1000
 


Hi,

There is a Auction  in Japan, with very nice technic photos from the TX-1000.

The price is  same like new in 1981, the seller says.

Good to see  Auction  photos anyway.

regards

Gerhard

http://page22.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/l141074214

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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  3 16:44:36 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 07:44:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
In-Reply-To: <0M9R006RZZSA6153@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0M9R006RZZSA6153@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <1346683476.36732.YahooMailNeo@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Oops. Here we go again! I meant about which deck sounds better than the other. I am not getting into this one.

Ram.


________________________________
 From: goodguy <josephjean at verizon.net>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
 
What does this mean?

Dragon from Serba

Roland

-----Original Message-----

From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
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To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>

Hi there,

I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125, BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9

Dragon from Serba

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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  3 17:14:24 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 17:14:24 +0200
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC404FD9E52@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
References: <20120902215230.53972psdgbroijuo@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl><50446710.8000005@univ-rennes1.fr>,
	<CAG+rBzKB=OWUROjFM4JEGFdKVMXKnr7wDNMeN-A72mYUwgF5YA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC404FD9E52@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
Message-ID: <BAY156-W210DBD041487503214A60DE3AB0@phx.gbl>


hi there.
 
just a Q from a ZX-9 owner..
I don't have any problems with recording or playback on my zx-9, yet..
is there any good testing device out there (or any computer testing software..)?
 
thnx
pieter from germany (but not german..)
 



Subject: RES: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 10:25:04 -0300
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br
To: naktalk at naks.com





...which only shows that listening is a personal thing and cannot be compared…! I own a 660ZX which I deem fabulous. But I did buy a ZX7 and still haven´t put it to the test. My conclusion is what you all know: there are few if any contestants to Nakamichi´s greatness!!!
Good day to you all!
 
Rodrigo Krause
 

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Dragan Vojvodic
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 3 de setembro de 2012 07:51
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
 
Hi there,

I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125, BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9

Dragon from Serba

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:
"Very deep lows and sweet highs" :

would like to be the author of this so-true description for the ZX-9 !

bb


Le 02/09/2012 21:52, naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl a écrit :
Hi all,

I did a complete overhaul of a zx9 deck and now i'm listening to it on my nakamichi pre and power amp and a pair of old b&w matrix speakers. Wow what a unbelievable sound this zx9 gives. Tom Petty never sounds dull, Very deep lows and sweet highs , and with equipment more then 30 years old.
Great. It's a pitty that this zx9 was sold but you can't hold them all.
Just a little story from a nak fan.

Regards Norman
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Mon Sep  3 17:17:23 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 12:17:23 -0300
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
In-Reply-To: <0M9R006RZZSA6153@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0M9R006RZZSA6153@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC404FD9ED2@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

It means that Dragan likes the sound of a 682ZX better than any Nak deck
he owned previously... Like I said: if it suites you, then enjoy!!!
Regards,

RK

-----Mensagem original-----
De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome
de goodguy
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 3 de setembro de 2012 10:22
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality

What does this mean?

Dragon from Serba

Roland

-----Original Message-----

From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
Size:  520 bytes
To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>

Hi there,

I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am
more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard.
Previous decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3,
BX-125, BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
 
Dragon from Serba

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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  3 18:08:32 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 18:08:32 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
In-Reply-To: <CAG+rBzJZyH0Jpo+vYODMD8fvdqpZP+Soy-X5xs22qCL43LPNSg@mail.gmail.com>
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nice pun dragan/dragon!!
 



Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 16:14:26 +0200
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com
To: naktalk at naks.com

My name is Dragon and I come from Serbia...


On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 3:22 PM, goodguy <josephjean at verizon.net> wrote:

What does this mean?

Dragon from Serba

Roland

-----Original Message-----

From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
Size:  520 bytes
To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>


Hi there,

I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125, BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9

Dragon from Serba

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From serbianduke13 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 18:38:13 2012
From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 18:38:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
In-Reply-To: <5936476D970545EA80AFF007C77653F6@3OOPM2BNWQ>
References: <0M9R006RZZSA6153@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
	<5936476D970545EA80AFF007C77653F6@3OOPM2BNWQ>
Message-ID: <CAG+rBzKW025zgn63ZQ7biyrF95Kgyq4BE2Fw7teekrwLY593ag@mail.gmail.com>

very similar with ZX-9 I use to have...when you approach to Nakamichi
Hi-end of line there is only taste of user that determine which is
better...

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Ron Witt <rwitt at rochester.rr.com> wrote:

> He likes his 682ZX.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "goodguy" <josephjean at verizon.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>
>
>  What does this mean?
>>
>> Dragon from Serba
>>
>> Roland
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
>> Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>> Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
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>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am
>> more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous
>> decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125,
>> BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
>>
>> Dragon from Serba
>>
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From serbianduke13 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 20:27:53 2012
From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 20:27:53 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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yes but you need to have that privilege to have both of them to be a
judge...

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:44 PM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com
> wrote:

> Oops. Here we go again! I meant about which deck sounds better than the
> other. I am not getting into this one.
>
> Ram.
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* goodguy <josephjean at verizon.net>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 3, 2012 9:22 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>
> What does this mean?
>
> Dragon from Serba
>
> Roland
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
> Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
> Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
> Size:  520 bytes
> To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
> Hi there,
>
> I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am
> more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous
> decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125,
> BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
>
> Dragon from Serba
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr>
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From josephjean at verizon.net  Mon Sep  3 21:10:13 2012
From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 15:10:13 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
In-Reply-To: <CAG+rBzJZyH0Jpo+vYODMD8fvdqpZP+Soy-X5xs22qCL43LPNSg@mail.g
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Message-ID: <0M9S00DZKFX139JH@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>

hahaha, okay, sometimes people post they have a Dragon worked on by a 
Willy Herman, Steve Sank, etc,....

At 10:14 AM 9/3/2012, you wrote:
>My name is Dragon and I come from Serbia...
>
>On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 3:22 PM, goodguy 
><<mailto:josephjean at verizon.net>josephjean at verizon.net> wrote:
>What does this mean?
>
>Dragon from Serba
>
>Roland
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From:  Dragan Vojvodic 
><<mailto:serbianduke13 at gmail.com>serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
>Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
>Size:  520 bytes
>To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
><<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>naktalk at naks.com>
>
>Hi there,
>
>I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I 
>am more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever 
>heard. Previous decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, 
>RX-202, LX-3, BX-125, BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
>
>Dragon from Serba
>
>On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, bb 
><<mailto:bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr>bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr> 
>wrote:
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  3 23:45:42 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 14:45:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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References: <0M9R006RZZSA6153@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
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	<CAG+rBzJeCbeRtzHwTkbw+CZWtEKoQ0oVD0rRXO+DN1y_LGv15g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1346708742.66140.YahooMailNeo@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Dragon,

How about 2 Dragons, 2 CR7s, a CR4, a ZX7, a ZX9, a 680,a 680ZX, a 682Zx, a 670ZX,2 ZXLs, 1 ZXL Limited,a BX300, an LX5,a 700ZXE, a 700ZXL, 3 600s, a 550,
a RX500, a RX 202................many other non Naks.

Is that privileged enough for you to make a judgement? 

I still will stay away from judging. Like I said, I shall choose to listen on this one. This horse has been beaten to death here. 

Ram.



________________________________
 From: Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
To: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
 

yes but you need to have that privilege to have both of them to be a judge... 


On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:44 PM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Oops. Here we go again! I meant about which deck sounds better than the other. I am not getting into this one.
>
>
>Ram.
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: goodguy <josephjean at verizon.net>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 9:22 AM
>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
> 
>
>What does this mean?
>
>Dragon from Serba
>
>Roland
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
>Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
>Size:  520 bytes
>To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>
>Hi there,
>
>I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am more sure that 682 zx is
 most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125, BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
>
>Dragon from Serba
>
>On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  4 02:12:49 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 10:12:49 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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It's this kind of boasting nonsense that turned so many good Nakkers away from this place. 

And calling his favouritw tech from USA a Willy Nilly. 

Geez! 

Sent from my iPhone

On 04/09/2012, at 7:45 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Dragon,
> 
> How about 2 Dragons, 2 CR7s, a CR4, a ZX7, a ZX9, a 680,a 680ZX, a 682Zx, a 670ZX,2 ZXLs, 1 ZXL Limited,a BX300, an LX5,a 700ZXE, a 700ZXL, 3 600s, a 550,
> a RX500, a RX 202................many other non Naks.
> 
> Is that privileged enough for you to make a judgement? 
> 
> I still will stay away from judging. Like I said, I shall choose to listen on this one. This horse has been beaten to death here. 
> 
> Ram.
> 
> 
> From: Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
> To: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
> 
> yes but you need to have that privilege to have both of them to be a judge... 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:44 PM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Oops. Here we go again! I meant about which deck sounds better than the other. I am not getting into this one.
> 
> Ram.
> 
> From: goodguy <josephjean at verizon.net>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 9:22 AM
> 
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
> 
> What does this mean?
> 
> Dragon from Serba
> 
> Roland
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
> Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
> Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
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> To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125, BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
> 
> Dragon from Serba
> 
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:
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From David.Moore at team.telstra.com  Tue Sep  4 08:27:18 2012
From: David.Moore at team.telstra.com (Moore, David L)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:27:18 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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I’ve owned many Naks including the 680, 682ZX, ZX-9, CR-7, LX-5, 1000ZXL, 700ZXL, and Dragon.

They all sounded great but if pushed I would give the vote to the ZX-9. Aside from the sound quality it was the best performer overall on the test bench and much better BTW than a 680ZX.

I still own a LX-5 which is a simplified ZX-7 but a great deck and I own a 700ZXL which is basically a slightly simplified 1000ZXL and it’s my favourite machine from a nostalgic point of view. Actually if you care to go to the trouble of replacing (upgrading) many caps and op-amps the ZXL’s can be raised above all others. The differential (discrete) PB head amp design is superior on the ZXL’s to any other Nak deck.

David


From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh
Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2012 10:13 AM
To: shanti ramachandran; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality

It's this kind of boasting nonsense that turned so many good Nakkers away from this place.

And calling his favouritw tech from USA a Willy Nilly.

Geez!

Sent from my iPhone

On 04/09/2012, at 7:45 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com<mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Hi Dragon,

How about 2 Dragons, 2 CR7s, a CR4, a ZX7, a ZX9, a 680,a 680ZX, a 682Zx, a 670ZX,2 ZXLs, 1 ZXL Limited,a BX300, an LX5,a 700ZXE, a 700ZXL, 3 600s, a 550,
a RX500, a RX 202................many other non Naks.

Is that privileged enough for you to make a judgement?

I still will stay away from judging. Like I said, I shall choose to listen on this one. This horse has been beaten to death here.

Ram.


________________________________
From: Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com<mailto:serbianduke13 at gmail.com>>
To: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com<mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>>
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality

yes but you need to have that privilege to have both of them to be a judge...
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:44 PM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com<mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Oops. Here we go again! I meant about which deck sounds better than the other. I am not getting into this one.

Ram.

________________________________
From: goodguy <josephjean at verizon.net<mailto:josephjean at verizon.net>>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>>
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 9:22 AM

Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality

What does this mean?

Dragon from Serba

Roland

-----Original Message-----

From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com<mailto:serbianduke13 at gmail.com>>
Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
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To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>>
Hi there,

I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125, BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9

Dragon from Serba

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From serbianduke13 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 21:54:52 2012
From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 21:54:52 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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you are right but I dont understand meaning of better deck if they are so
similar...there is no truth, only opinions...

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Rodrigo Krause <rkrause at multiplan.com.br>wrote:

> It means that Dragan likes the sound of a 682ZX better than any Nak deck
> he owned previously... Like I said: if it suites you, then enjoy!!!
> Regards,
>
> RK
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome
> de goodguy
> Enviada em: segunda-feira, 3 de setembro de 2012 10:22
> Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>
> What does this mean?
>
> Dragon from Serba
>
> Roland
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
> Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
> Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
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>
> Hi there,
>
> I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am
> more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard.
> Previous decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3,
> BX-125, BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
>
> Dragon from Serba
>
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From tim.skorick at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 22:18:13 2012
From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 15:18:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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Dobro dosao prijatelju!

-Tim
On Sep 3, 2012 10:45 AM, "Dragan Vojvodic" <serbianduke13 at gmail.com> wrote:

> My name is Dragon and I come from Serbia...
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 3:22 PM, goodguy <josephjean at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> What does this mean?
>>
>> Dragon from Serba
>>
>> Roland
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
>> Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>> Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
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>> To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am
>> more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous
>> decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125,
>> BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
>>
>> Dragon from Serba
>>
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From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Mon Sep  3 23:15:14 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ronald Witt)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 17:15:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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I have a ZX-7 and still very much want a ZX-9 and the 682ZX. From all I have read these were the most beautiful decks ever made. Many say the 682ZX was just gorgeous. I have time to find one!

Ron

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 3, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com> wrote:

> very similar with ZX-9 I use to have...when you approach to Nakamichi Hi-end of line there is only taste of user that determine which is better... 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Ron Witt <rwitt at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> He likes his 682ZX.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "goodguy" <josephjean at verizon.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
> 
> 
> What does this mean?
> 
> Dragon from Serba
> 
> Roland
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
> Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
> Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
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> To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125, BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
> 
> Dragon from Serba
> 
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:
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From next at muchomail.com  Tue Sep  4 00:17:36 2012
From: next at muchomail.com (MWB)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 15:17:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RX505E: Problem with digital counter when fast rewinding
Message-ID: <20120903151736.51883DB5@resin04.mta.everyone.net>

Hi,

I've noticed that the digital counter on my RX-505E doesn't start immediately when a tape is fast rewinding.

This only happens when the tape rewinds from stand still to very high speed at the beginning of a tape, and never in fast forward.

Is something slipping?


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From phillipbroussardjr at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  4 03:08:52 2012
From: phillipbroussardjr at hotmail.com (phillip broussardjr)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 18:08:52 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Question ?
Message-ID: <SNT106-W32895B9E2C722DD917AA3DC2AA0@phx.gbl>


Hi Guys, New to the forum and pleased to see this existing. 
I am wondering what tape deck would best serve my needs for transferring cassettes to a daw. 
This volume will include about 1500 cassettes of various lengths 30/60/90/120 mins. Some music, some voice and some field recordings ranging 20 to 30 years in age. In the past I've used the Tascam pro decks (in the studio during the 90's). I own a Cassette Deck 1 by Nak but certainly don't feel that the deck would cut it. 
I've read stellar info regarding the Dragon, it's a tad pricey for a tape deck but if that's what it takes then that's the cost of doing business. 
So clearly I'm looking for the best sound quality from the repro/playback side of things. I won't be recording anything as this job is a transfer only. 
What about mechanics too ? What will serve me best after say 100 hours of playback  /200 hours/ 300 hours etc. ? What kind of tech difficulties will I run into regarding head wear, motor/belt slippage ? Heating issues ? Drying of pinch rollers etc. 
Haven't done a job of this magnitude regarding cassettes and am trying to find the best options for sound quality and tech performance over time.
Dragon ?
Udar ?
Others outside of Nak ?

Thank you kindly for your responses.


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From luis at peromarta.org  Tue Sep  4 12:22:30 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 12:22:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Question ?
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Your tape deck 1 is a fine machine if properly calibrated / serviced, and perfect for the job. 

I would recommend having it looked at. 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 04/09/2012, a las 03:08, phillip broussardjr <phillipbroussardjr at hotmail.com> escribió:

> Hi Guys,
>  New to the forum and pleased to see this existing. 
> 
> I am wondering what tape deck would best serve my needs for transferring cassettes to a daw. 
> 
> This volume will include about 1500 cassettes of various lengths 30/60/90/120 mins. Some music, some voice and some field recordings ranging 20 to 30 years in age. In the past I've used the Tascam pro decks (in the studio during the 90's). I own a Cassette Deck 1 by Nak but certainly don't feel that the deck would cut it. 
> 
> I've read stellar info regarding the Dragon, it's a tad pricey for a tape deck but if that's what it takes then that's the cost of doing business. 
> 
> So clearly I'm looking for the best sound quality from the repro/playback side of things. I won't be recording anything as this job is a transfer only. 
> 
> What about mechanics too ? What will serve me best after say 100 hours of playback  /200 hours/ 300 hours etc. ? What kind of tech difficulties will I run into regarding head wear, motor/belt slippage ? Heating issues ? Drying of pinch rollers etc. 
> 
> Haven't done a job of this magnitude regarding cassettes and am trying to find the best options for sound quality and tech performance over time.
> 
> Dragon ?
> 
> Udar ?
> 
> Others outside of Nak ?
> 
> 
> Thank you kindly for your responses.
> 
> 
> 
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From jagtar at semplay.com  Tue Sep  4 10:16:49 2012
From: jagtar at semplay.com (Jagtar Semplay)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 09:16:49 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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This is beginning to sound like the arguments and or personal  
preferences at any given time regarding particular pieces of equipment  
on other Hi Fi forums.

I have been enjoying Naks for many years but probably not as long as  
some on this forum and in terms of knowledge on a day to day basis I  
lag behind but all I can say is that the Naks that I have now are down  
to 2 (680ZX and 682ZX).

I foolishly sold a fully serviced ZX9 and missed buying a 1000ZXL  
Limited a few years ago but to be honest I think that most of the good  
Naks are superb machines with their individual characteristics and  
like the many valves (300B, 2a3 etc) in the different amplifiers I  
enjoy in my collection none are absolutely 100% accurate. They all  
have a particular set of qualities and sometimes I enjoy one compared  
with others.

If I was pushed to say which is better or more accurate I don't think  
I could say too easily partly because they all do something different  
with different genres of music so I enjoy them all equally just like  
the 680ZX and 682ZX now.

Jagtar


On 3 Sep 2012, at 20:54, Dragan Vojvodic wrote:

> you are right but I dont understand meaning of better deck if they  
> are so similar...there is no truth, only opinions...
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Rodrigo Krause <rkrause at multiplan.com.br 
> > wrote:
> It means that Dragan likes the sound of a 682ZX better than any Nak  
> deck
> he owned previously... Like I said: if it suites you, then enjoy!!!
> Regards,
>
> RK
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome
> de goodguy
> Enviada em: segunda-feira, 3 de setembro de 2012 10:22
> Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>
> What does this mean?
>
> Dragon from Serba
>
> Roland
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
> Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
> Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
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> To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
> Hi there,
>
> I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I  
> am
> more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard.
> Previous decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3,
> BX-125, BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
>
> Dragon from Serba
>
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From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Tue Sep  4 12:24:22 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ronald Witt)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 06:24:22 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RX505E: Problem with digital counter when fast rewinding
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Sure does sound like it. 

Ron

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 3, 2012, at 6:17 PM, MWB <next at muchomail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've noticed that the digital counter on my RX-505E doesn't start immediately when a tape is fast rewinding.
> 
> This only happens when the tape rewinds from stand still to very high speed at the beginning of a tape, and never in fast forward.
> 
> Is something slipping?
> 
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From serbianduke13 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 14:05:27 2012
From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:05:27 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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Ronald, I have one 682zx in perfect condition if you are interested...

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Ronald Witt <rwitt at rochester.rr.com> wrote:

> I have a ZX-7 and still very much want a ZX-9 and the 682ZX. From all I
> have read these were the most beautiful decks ever made. Many say the 682ZX
> was just gorgeous. I have time to find one!
>
> Ron
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 3, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> very similar with ZX-9 I use to have...when you approach to Nakamichi
> Hi-end of line there is only taste of user that determine which is
> better...
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Ron Witt < <rwitt at rochester.rr.com>
> rwitt at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> He likes his 682ZX.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "goodguy" < <josephjean at verizon.net>
>> josephjean at verizon.net>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" < <naktalk at naks.com>
>> naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 9:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>>
>>
>>  What does this mean?
>>>
>>> Dragon from Serba
>>>
>>> Roland
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> From:  Dragan Vojvodic < <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
>>> serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
>>> Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>>> Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
>>> Size:  520 bytes
>>> To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks < <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> naktalk at naks.com>
>>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am
>>> more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous
>>> decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125,
>>> BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
>>>
>>> Dragon from Serba
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.**fr<bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr>>
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  4 16:01:00 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 07:01:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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......and its this kind of personal attacks that makes some people feel accomplished.Sad!

Next time,  please read the posts, understand why they were written prior to attacking 
the posters and others who don't even post in the thread. 

Naktalk should be beyond personal attacks. Mr. Dragon from Serba questioned my capability for judging(which I never did to begin with) based on being privileged to own various decks. 
The response of mine was to him and to the point of his.

Again, Willy, I apologize for this individual's demeaning of your name. You know I didn't cause it. I respect you as one of the most capable Nak techs out there.

Wouter, may a bit of moderation is warranted for some individuals who tend to shake up things here by personal attacks? Thanks.

Ram.


________________________________
 

 
 
From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh
Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2012 10:13 AM
To: shanti ramachandran; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
 
It's this kind of boasting nonsense that turned so many good Nakkers away from this place. 
 
And calling his favouritw tech from USA a Willy Nilly. 
 
Geez! 

Sent from my iPhone

On 04/09/2012, at 7:45 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Dragon,
> 
>How about 2 Dragons, 2 CR7s, a CR4, a ZX7, a ZX9, a 680,a 680ZX, a 682Zx, a 670ZX,2 ZXLs, 1 ZXL Limited,a BX300, an LX5,a 700ZXE, a 700ZXL, 3 600s, a 550,
>a RX500, a RX 202................many other non Naks.
> 
>Is that privileged enough for you to make a judgement? 
> 
>I still will stay away from judging. Like I said, I shall choose to listen on this one. This horse has been beaten to death here. 
> 
>Ram.
> 
> 
>
>________________________________
>
>From:Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
>To: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 2:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
> 
>yes but you need to have that privilege to have both of them to be a judge... 
>On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:44 PM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>Oops. Here we go again! I meant about which deck sounds better than the other. I am not getting into this one.
> 
>Ram.
> 
>
>________________________________
>
>From:goodguy <josephjean at verizon.net>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent:Monday, September 3, 2012 9:22 AM
>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>
>What does this mean?
>
>Dragon from Serba
>
>Roland
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
>Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
>Size:  520 bytes
>To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Hi there,
>
>I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125, BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
>
>Dragon from Serba
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>On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:
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From luis at peromarta.org  Tue Sep  4 16:06:30 2012
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:06:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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Finally, we got to the point !

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 04/09/2012, a las 14:05, Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com> escribió:

> Ronald, I have one 682zx in perfect condition if you are interested... 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Ronald Witt <rwitt at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> I have a ZX-7 and still very much want a ZX-9 and the 682ZX. From all I have read these were the most beautiful decks ever made. Many say the 682ZX was just gorgeous. I have time to find one!
> 
> Ron
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 3, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> very similar with ZX-9 I use to have...when you approach to Nakamichi Hi-end of line there is only taste of user that determine which is better... 
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Ron Witt <rwitt at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>> He likes his 682ZX.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "goodguy" <josephjean at verizon.net>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 9:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>> 
>> 
>> What does this mean?
>> 
>> Dragon from Serba
>> 
>> Roland
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
>> Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>> Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
>> Size:  520 bytes
>> To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125, BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
>> 
>> Dragon from Serba
>> 
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From ct.waveform at googlemail.com  Tue Sep  4 14:48:23 2012
From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 13:48:23 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Question ?
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A CR -7 perhaps. No one could doubt its accuracy.  Personally I like the
BX-300 which is an awful lot cheaper and leaves budget room to have a
thorough service. Having owned a B&O9000, which is a pretty damn good deck
, I'm mostly of the view that non Nak alternatives aren't up to the job.
 Also, you can pretty much discount any head wear issues  with a Nak and I
doubt 300 hours would be more than borderline significant, though others
here would know better than me.



Christian



On Tuesday, 4 September 2012, Luis Peromarta <luis at peromarta.org> wrote:
> Your tape deck 1 is a fine machine if properly calibrated / serviced, and
perfect for the job.
> I would recommend having it looked at.
>
> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.
> El 04/09/2012, a las 03:08, phillip broussardjr <
phillipbroussardjr at hotmail.com> escribió:
>
> Hi Guys,
>  New to the forum and pleased to see this existing.
> I am wondering what tape deck would best serve my needs for transferring
cassettes to a daw.
> This volume will include about 1500 cassettes of various lengths
30/60/90/120 mins. Some music, some voice and some field recordings ranging
20 to 30 years in age. In the past I've used the Tascam pro decks (in the
studio during the 90's). I own a Cassette Deck 1 by Nak but certainly don't
feel that the deck would cut it.
> I've read stellar info regarding the Dragon, it's a tad pricey for a tape
deck but if that's what it takes then that's the cost of doing business.
> So clearly I'm looking for the best sound quality from the repro/playback
side of things. I won't be recording anything as this job is a transfer
only.
> What about mechanics too ? What will serve me best after say 100 hours of
playback  /200 hours/ 300 hours etc. ? What kind of tech difficulties will
I run into regarding head wear, motor/belt slippage ? Heating issues ?
Drying of pinch rollers etc.
> Haven't done a job of this magnitude regarding cassettes and am trying to
find the best options for sound quality and tech performance over time.
> Dragon ?
> Udar ?
> Others outside of Nak ?
>
> Thank you kindly for your responses.
>
>
> www.phillipbroussardjr.com
>
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Has just (on 15/10/11) solved the root problem of loudspeaker and crossover
design, after 25 years. It is so simple once you have pieced it together.
 I now need your investment to keep the work going and complete the product
range including amplifier.  Current price approx £3000/percent, up to 20% -
covering approx 6 months and then proper fundraising for production.  You
will generally NOT get to know what the secret is as a shareholder.  This
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From ct.waveform at googlemail.com  Tue Sep  4 15:38:54 2012
From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:38:54 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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David,

My worry when reading your reply was to see you mention the test bench.  I
have been led astray so many times by believing what I have measured or
simulated being better that, on this at least, I now doubt my own ears when
there is an objective reason one way or the other. Not that I don't believe
in objective measurements but this single fact
is what had made me doubt the priorities of our measurements.

BTW, are we sure the Orange caps are polyester rather than early mica.


On Tuesday, 4 September 2012, Moore, David L <David.Moore at team.telstra.com>
wrote:
>
>
> I’ve owned many Naks including the 680, 682ZX, ZX-9, CR-7, LX-5, 1000ZXL,
700ZXL, and Dragon.
>
>
>
> They all sounded great but if pushed I would give the vote to the ZX-9.
Aside from the sound quality it was the best performer overall on the test
bench and much better BTW than a 680ZX.
>
>
>
> I still own a LX-5 which is a simplified ZX-7 but a great deck and I own
a 700ZXL which is basically a slightly simplified 1000ZXL and it’s my
favourite machine from a nostalgic point of view. Actually if you care to
go to the trouble of replacing (upgrading) many caps and op-amps the ZXL’s
can be raised above all others. The differential (discrete) PB head amp
design is superior on the ZXL’s to any other Nak deck.
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Bala Ganesh
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2012 10:13 AM
> To: shanti ramachandran; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>
>
>
> It's this kind of boasting nonsense that turned so many good Nakkers away
from this place.
>
>
>
> And calling his favouritw tech from USA a Willy Nilly.
>
>
>
> Geez!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 04/09/2012, at 7:45 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> Hi Dragon,
>
>
>
> How about 2 Dragons, 2 CR7s, a CR4, a ZX7, a ZX9, a 680,a 680ZX, a 682Zx,
a 670ZX,2 ZXLs, 1 ZXL Limited,a BX300, an LX5,a 700ZXE, a 700ZXL, 3 600s, a
550,
>
> a RX500, a RX 202................many other non Naks.
>
>
>
> Is that privileged enough for you to make a judgement?
>
>
>
> I still will stay away from judging. Like I said, I shall choose to
listen on this one. This horse has been beaten to death here.
>
>
>
> Ram.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
> To: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi
Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>
>
>
> yes but you need to have that privilege to have both of them to be a
judge...
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:44 PM, shanti ramachandran <
shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Oops. Here we go again! I meant about which deck sounds better than the
other. I am not getting into this one.
>
>
>
> Ram.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: goodguy <josephjean at verizon.net>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>

-- 
Christian Thomas

Has just (on 15/10/11) solved the root problem of loudspeaker and crossover
design, after 25 years. It is so simple once you have pieced it together.
 I now need your investment to keep the work going and complete the product
range including amplifier.  Current price approx £3000/percent, up to 20% -
covering approx 6 months and then proper fundraising for production.  You
will generally NOT get to know what the secret is as a shareholder.  This
does not constitute an offer of securities in any jurisdiction.
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From serbianduke13 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 17:31:59 2012
From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 17:31:59 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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According to international law, when you attack my property, you are making
on me so I think everything is clear...maybe English language is not so
perfect to explain our feelings...nevertheless, I am very satisfied with my
Nak 682 ZX and respect all others Naks and users...

Wish you all guys all the best and f...the rest I mean decks beside Naks...

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:01 PM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com
> wrote:

> ......and its this kind of personal attacks that makes some people feel
> accomplished.Sad!
>
> Next time,  please read the posts, understand why they were written prior
> to attacking
> the posters and others who don't even post in the thread.
>
> Naktalk should be beyond personal attacks. Mr. Dragon from Serba
> questioned my capability for judging(which I never did to begin with) based
> on being privileged to own various decks.
> The response of mine was to him and to the point of his.
>
> Again, Willy, I apologize for this individual's demeaning of your name.
> You know I didn't cause it. I respect you as one of the most capable Nak
> techs out there.
>
> Wouter, may a bit of moderation is warranted for some individuals who tend
> to shake up things here by personal attacks? Thanks.
>
> Ram.
>
>   ------------------------------
>
>
>
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Bala Ganesh
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 September 2012 10:13 AM
> *To:* shanti ramachandran; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Cc:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>
> It's this kind of boasting nonsense that turned so many good Nakkers away
> from this place.
>
> And calling his favouritw tech from USA a Willy Nilly.
>
> Geez!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 04/09/2012, at 7:45 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Dragon,
>
> How about 2 Dragons, 2 CR7s, a CR4, a ZX7, a ZX9, a 680,a 680ZX, a 682Zx,
> a 670ZX,2 ZXLs, 1 ZXL Limited,a BX300, an LX5,a 700ZXE, a 700ZXL, 3 600s, a
> 550,
> a RX500, a RX 202................many other non Naks.
>
> Is that privileged enough for you to make a judgement?
>
> I still will stay away from judging. Like I said, I shall choose to listen
> on this one. This horse has been beaten to death here.
>
> Ram.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
> *To:* shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi
> Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 3, 2012 2:27 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>
> yes but you need to have that privilege to have both of them to be a
> judge...
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:44 PM, shanti ramachandran <
> shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Oops. Here we go again! I meant about which deck sounds better than the
> other. I am not getting into this one.
>
> Ram.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* goodguy <josephjean at verizon.net>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 3, 2012 9:22 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>
> What does this mean?
>
> Dragon from Serba
>
> Roland
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From:  Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com>
> Subj:  Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
> Date:  Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:44 am
> Size:  520 bytes
> To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Hi there,
>
> I am a proud owner of 682 zx and previous user of ZX-9...every day I am
> more sure that 682 zx is most pleasant sounding deck I ever heard. Previous
> decks were CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, 480Z, 580M, 482, RX-202, LX-3, BX-125,
> BX-300, BX-2 and ZX-9
>
> Dragon from Serba
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, bb <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr>
> wrote:
>   --- message truncated ---
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Sep  4 18:13:04 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 18:13:04 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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Ram,

I don't moderate everybody, I have better things to do!
If you guys want to argue, argue, I prefer to spend my time better.
What deck is better? Why upgrade, why not, does it really matter? Cables?
If you are happy with your deck fine, Norman likes the ZX-9 he fixed which
is good to hear! I dislike the Dragon, but others love it, good!

Wouter

>
> Wouter, may a bit of moderation is warranted for some individuals who tend
> to shake up things here by personal attacks? Thanks.
>
> Ram.
>



From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Tue Sep  4 18:43:34 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 09:43:34 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Question ?
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IMHO there is no deck which will come close to the Dragon *for this purpose.
*  It is the only deck ever built which automatically adjusts playback
azimuth for each tape it plays and for each side.  Since your collection of
tapes have been recorded on a variety of decks there will be a variety of
different azimuth settings.  Forgetting about the sonic qualities of
different decks when azimuth is perfectly adjusted (and here the Dragon is
certainly one of the best) improperly adjusted playback bias will
dramatically degrade the sound of a tape - much more so than the
differences in sonic timbre from one deck to another.
Reputation aside, a *properly serviced and calibrated* Dragon will serve
you well for hundreds of hours if not thousands.  I maintain a stack of 15
Dragons for a high end professional digitizing service (Iron Mountain Film
and Sound Archive in Hollywood).  We have had very few problems over the
last couple of years with any of the decks and I am told they run the
machines many hours each day.
I understand the Dragon is quite an expensive deck.  However, this is your
last best shot at extracting everything the original tapes have to offer.
 Settle for a lesser deck at this point and you'll listen to the compromise
for years to come.  Also, you will be basically renting the Dragon anyway
since it will still have excellent resale value after your transfer project
(provided you're ever willing to give it up once you get used to it!).

Best of luck.

Willy

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 6:08 PM, phillip broussardjr <
phillipbroussardjr at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi Guys,
>  New to the forum and pleased to see this existing.
>
> I am wondering what tape deck would best serve my needs for transferring
> cassettes to a daw.
>
> This volume will include about 1500 cassettes of various lengths
> 30/60/90/120 mins. Some music, some voice and some field recordings ranging
> 20 to 30 years in age. In the past I've used the Tascam pro decks (in the
> studio during the 90's). I own a Cassette Deck 1 by Nak but certainly don't
> feel that the deck would cut it.
>
> I've read stellar info regarding the Dragon, it's a tad pricey for a tape
> deck but if that's what it takes then that's the cost of doing business.
>
> So clearly I'm looking for the best sound quality from the repro/playback
> side of things. I won't be recording anything as this job is a transfer
> only.
>
> What about mechanics too ? What will serve me best after say 100 hours of
> playback  /200 hours/ 300 hours etc. ? What kind of tech difficulties will
> I run into regarding head wear, motor/belt slippage ? Heating issues ?
> Drying of pinch rollers etc.
>
> Haven't done a job of this magnitude regarding cassettes and am trying to
> find the best options for sound quality and tech performance over time.
>
> Dragon ?
>
> Udar ?
>
> Others outside of Nak ?
>
>
> Thank you kindly for your responses.
>
>
>
> www.phillipbroussardjr.com
>
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Tue Sep  4 22:15:18 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 13:15:18 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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O Freunde, nicht diese Toene!
Sondern lasst uns angenehmere anstimmen und freundenvollere!

O friends! Not these sounds!
But let us strike up more pleasant sounds and more joyful!

LvB Ninth Symphony, fourth movement


Remember why we all are drawn to this equipment.  Take a deep breath, sit
back and listen to this movement.  If it's beauty doesn't leave you with
tears in your eyes you need to find another hobby.


My two cents.

Willy

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Ram,
>
> I don't moderate everybody, I have better things to do!
> If you guys want to argue, argue, I prefer to spend my time better.
> What deck is better? Why upgrade, why not, does it really matter? Cables?
> If you are happy with your deck fine, Norman likes the ZX-9 he fixed which
> is good to hear! I dislike the Dragon, but others love it, good!
>
> Wouter
>
> >
> > Wouter, may a bit of moderation is warranted for some individuals who
> tend
> > to shake up things here by personal attacks? Thanks.
> >
> > Ram.
> >
>
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From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Tue Sep  4 18:54:34 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 16:54:34 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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The orange caps are polypropylene


From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Christian Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 9:39 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality

David,

My worry when reading your reply was to see you mention the test bench.  I have been led astray so many times by believing what I have measured or simulated being better that, on this at least, I now doubt my own ears when there is an objective reason one way or the other. Not that I don't believe in objective measurements but this single fact
is what had made me doubt the priorities of our measurements.

BTW, are we sure the Orange caps are polyester rather than early mica.


On Tuesday, 4 September 2012, Moore, David L <David.Moore at team.telstra.com<mailto:David.Moore at team.telstra.com>> wrote:
>
>
> I've owned many Naks including the 680, 682ZX, ZX-9, CR-7, LX-5, 1000ZXL, 700ZXL, and Dragon.
>
>
>
> They all sounded great but if pushed I would give the vote to the ZX-9. Aside from the sound quality it was the best performer overall on the test bench and much better BTW than a 680ZX.
>
>
>
> I still own a LX-5 which is a simplified ZX-7 but a great deck and I own a 700ZXL which is basically a slightly simplified 1000ZXL and it's my favourite machine from a nostalgic point of view. Actually if you care to go to the trouble of replacing (upgrading) many caps and op-amps the ZXL's can be raised above all others. The differential (discrete) PB head amp design is superior on the ZXL's to any other Nak deck.
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com<mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com<mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com>] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2012 10:13 AM
> To: shanti ramachandran; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>
>
>
> It's this kind of boasting nonsense that turned so many good Nakkers away from this place.
>
>
>
> And calling his favouritw tech from USA a Willy Nilly.
>
>
>
> Geez!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 04/09/2012, at 7:45 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com<mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Dragon,
>
>
>
> How about 2 Dragons, 2 CR7s, a CR4, a ZX7, a ZX9, a 680,a 680ZX, a 682Zx, a 670ZX,2 ZXLs, 1 ZXL Limited,a BX300, an LX5,a 700ZXE, a 700ZXL, 3 600s, a 550,
>
> a RX500, a RX 202................many other non Naks.
>
>
>
> Is that privileged enough for you to make a judgement?
>
>
>
> I still will stay away from judging. Like I said, I shall choose to listen on this one. This horse has been beaten to death here.
>
>
>
> Ram.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com<mailto:serbianduke13 at gmail.com>>
> To: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com<mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>>
> Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>
>
>
> yes but you need to have that privilege to have both of them to be a judge...
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:44 PM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com<mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> Oops. Here we go again! I meant about which deck sounds better than the other. I am not getting into this one.
>
>
>
> Ram.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: goodguy <josephjean at verizon.net<mailto:josephjean at verizon.net>>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>>

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From uraldurusu at ttmail.com  Tue Sep  4 19:49:10 2012
From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 20:49:10 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON bias
Message-ID: <50463F16.8030701@ttmail.com>

Hello,
When calibrating the bias, meter moves up and down 1 or 2 leds. But leds 
are not waving like bias during level calibration. What can be the 
reason for this?
Best regards.
Ural
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From rkrause at multiplan.com.br  Tue Sep  4 22:01:51 2012
From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 17:01:51 -0300
Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Question ?
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Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B159@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>

Hi Willy,
Excuse my ignorance and only for the sake of. Curiosity, are you actually saying that a Dragon would be superior to any other Nak (i.e, the 1000zxl) in adjusting to different tapes ? 
Thank you for your thoughts and comments.
Rodrigo Krause

________________________________

De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com> 
Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
Enviada em: Tue Sep 04 13:43:34 2012
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Question ? 


IMHO there is no deck which will come close to the Dragon for this purpose.  It is the only deck ever built which automatically adjusts playback azimuth for each tape it plays and for each side.  Since your collection of tapes have been recorded on a variety of decks there will be a variety of different azimuth settings.  Forgetting about the sonic qualities of different decks when azimuth is perfectly adjusted (and here the Dragon is certainly one of the best) improperly adjusted playback bias will dramatically degrade the sound of a tape - much more so than the differences in sonic timbre from one deck to another.  
Reputation aside, a properly serviced and calibrated Dragon will serve you well for hundreds of hours if not thousands.  I maintain a stack of 15 Dragons for a high end professional digitizing service (Iron Mountain Film and Sound Archive in Hollywood).  We have had very few problems over the last couple of years with any of the decks and I am told they run the machines many hours each day.
I understand the Dragon is quite an expensive deck.  However, this is your last best shot at extracting everything the original tapes have to offer.  Settle for a lesser deck at this point and you'll listen to the compromise for years to come.  Also, you will be basically renting the Dragon anyway since it will still have excellent resale value after your transfer project (provided you're ever willing to give it up once you get used to it!).

Best of luck.

Willy

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 6:08 PM, phillip broussardjr <phillipbroussardjr at hotmail.com> wrote:


	Hi Guys,
	 New to the forum and pleased to see this existing. 

	I am wondering what tape deck would best serve my needs for transferring cassettes to a daw. 

	This volume will include about 1500 cassettes of various lengths 30/60/90/120 mins. Some music, some voice and some field recordings ranging 20 to 30 years in age. In the past I've used the Tascam pro decks (in the studio during the 90's). I own a Cassette Deck 1 by Nak but certainly don't feel that the deck would cut it. 

	I've read stellar info regarding the Dragon, it's a tad pricey for a tape deck but if that's what it takes then that's the cost of doing business. 

	So clearly I'm looking for the best sound quality from the repro/playback side of things. I won't be recording anything as this job is a transfer only. 

	What about mechanics too ? What will serve me best after say 100 hours of playback  /200 hours/ 300 hours etc. ? What kind of tech difficulties will I run into regarding head wear, motor/belt slippage ? Heating issues ? Drying of pinch rollers etc. 

	Haven't done a job of this magnitude regarding cassettes and am trying to find the best options for sound quality and tech performance over time.

	Dragon ?

	Udar ?

	Others outside of Nak ?


	Thank you kindly for your responses.



	www.phillipbroussardjr.com

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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  4 23:21:58 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 07:21:58 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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	<CAG+rBzJeCbeRtzHwTkbw+CZWtEKoQ0oVD0rRXO+DN1y_LGv15g@mail.gmail.com>
	<1346708742.66140.YahooMailNeo@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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That's what I always did and had been doing until this individual came along and decided to play differently, first launching personal attacks on others while calling me everyday from the other side of the world and then doing an about face and attacking me. 

His behavior has left quite a consequence for me and was evident in conversations I had with a fellow naktalker on the phone as recent as early this week. My bad habit of not deleting emails showed that I still have emails in which this person launched his personal attack. I've got rid of them because my love for music in more valuable then such an individual. 

I've reached out to those who came forward and spoke to me about how they were approached by this individual. I hope others who may have doubts on me to approach me and get to know that as firebrand as I may be, I am a sincere person without any personal motives against anyone. 

Let's return to the music. Please excuse me for putting this on the common forum. 

Bala 

Sent from my iPad

On 5 Sep, 2012, at 6:15 AM, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:

> O Freunde, nicht diese Toene!
> Sondern lasst uns angenehmere anstimmen und freundenvollere!
> 
> O friends! Not these sounds!
> But let us strike up more pleasant sounds and more joyful!
> 
> LvB Ninth Symphony, fourth movement
> 
> 
> 
> Remember why we all are drawn to this equipment.  Take a deep breath, sit back and listen to this movement.  If it's beauty doesn't leave you with tears in your eyes you need to find another hobby.
> 
> 
> 
> My two cents.
> 
> Willy
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Ram,
> 
> I don't moderate everybody, I have better things to do!
> If you guys want to argue, argue, I prefer to spend my time better.
> What deck is better? Why upgrade, why not, does it really matter? Cables?
> If you are happy with your deck fine, Norman likes the ZX-9 he fixed which
> is good to hear! I dislike the Dragon, but others love it, good!
> 
> Wouter
> 
> >
> > Wouter, may a bit of moderation is warranted for some individuals who tend
> > to shake up things here by personal attacks? Thanks.
> >
> > Ram.
> >
> 
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Wed Sep  5 00:59:52 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:59:52 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Question ?
In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B159@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
References: <CAM9V8MdDRR8Sk53r+Vh73sz+cWmkNdBUM4F5Gr=2L8aY-a6WTQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40497B159@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>
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Yes.  For your exact purpose I think there's nothing which will do the job
as well.  If you have control of the recording and playback of all your
tapes most think that the 1000ZXL is a better sounding deck but since it
will not automatically adjust the play head azimuth there will be many of
the tapes in your collection which will sound noticeably worse on the
1000ZXL.

Willy

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Rodrigo Krause <rkrause at multiplan.com.br>wrote:

> Hi Willy,
> Excuse my ignorance and only for the sake of. Curiosity, are you actually
> saying that a Dragon would be superior to any other Nak (i.e, the 1000zxl)
> in adjusting to different tapes ?
> Thank you for your thoughts and comments.
> Rodrigo Krause
>
> ------------------------------
>  *De*: naktalk-bounces at naks.com <naktalk-bounces at naks.com>
> *Para*: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Enviada em*: Tue Sep 04 13:43:34 2012
> *Assunto*: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Question ?
>
> IMHO there is no deck which will come close to the Dragon *for this
> purpose.*  It is the only deck ever built which automatically adjusts
> playback azimuth for each tape it plays and for each side.  Since your
> collection of tapes have been recorded on a variety of decks there will be
> a variety of different azimuth settings.  Forgetting about the sonic
> qualities of different decks when azimuth is perfectly adjusted (and here
> the Dragon is certainly one of the best) improperly adjusted playback bias
> will dramatically degrade the sound of a tape - much more so than the
> differences in sonic timbre from one deck to another.
> Reputation aside, a *properly serviced and calibrated* Dragon will serve
> you well for hundreds of hours if not thousands.  I maintain a stack of 15
> Dragons for a high end professional digitizing service (Iron Mountain Film
> and Sound Archive in Hollywood).  We have had very few problems over the
> last couple of years with any of the decks and I am told they run the
> machines many hours each day.
> I understand the Dragon is quite an expensive deck.  However, this is your
> last best shot at extracting everything the original tapes have to offer.
>  Settle for a lesser deck at this point and you'll listen to the compromise
> for years to come.  Also, you will be basically renting the Dragon anyway
> since it will still have excellent resale value after your transfer project
> (provided you're ever willing to give it up once you get used to it!).
>
> Best of luck.
>
> Willy
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 6:08 PM, phillip broussardjr <
> phillipbroussardjr at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Hi Guys,
>>  New to the forum and pleased to see this existing.
>>
>> I am wondering what tape deck would best serve my needs for transferring
>> cassettes to a daw.
>>
>> This volume will include about 1500 cassettes of various lengths
>> 30/60/90/120 mins. Some music, some voice and some field recordings ranging
>> 20 to 30 years in age. In the past I've used the Tascam pro decks (in the
>> studio during the 90's). I own a Cassette Deck 1 by Nak but certainly don't
>> feel that the deck would cut it.
>>
>> I've read stellar info regarding the Dragon, it's a tad pricey for a tape
>> deck but if that's what it takes then that's the cost of doing business.
>>
>> So clearly I'm looking for the best sound quality from the repro/playback
>> side of things. I won't be recording anything as this job is a transfer
>> only.
>>
>> What about mechanics too ? What will serve me best after say 100 hours of
>> playback  /200 hours/ 300 hours etc. ? What kind of tech difficulties will
>> I run into regarding head wear, motor/belt slippage ? Heating issues ?
>> Drying of pinch rollers etc.
>>
>> Haven't done a job of this magnitude regarding cassettes and am trying to
>> find the best options for sound quality and tech performance over time.
>>
>> Dragon ?
>>
>> Udar ?
>>
>> Others outside of Nak ?
>>
>>
>> Thank you kindly for your responses.
>>
>>
>>
>> www.phillipbroussardjr.com
>>
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>
>
> Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou
> de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do
> remetente.
>
> Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por  engano, por favor, nos informe
> respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a.
>
> A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras
> informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios.
>
>
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From David.Moore at team.telstra.com  Wed Sep  5 02:40:36 2012
From: David.Moore at team.telstra.com (Moore, David L)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 10:40:36 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
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Christian,

Of course we all hear things a little differently so any subjective comparisons will naturally attract a wide range of results. It becomes a personal thing.
However, my subjective testing and conclusions are derived from comparisons with the source rather than a personal preference for a particular sound.
With that in mind I felt that the ZX-9 captured the most resolution from the source recording and also added the least colouration and distortion. It was essentially the most accurate.
This was also reflected on the test bench where it delivered the most optimum all round performance - including MOL at mid, low and high frequencies, Wow and Flutter, Dolby tracking, frequency response accuracy, high frequency extension,  unweighted and weighted SINAD and THD at various frequencies etc.

Of course all Nak decks are 'great' and differences between any 2 well calibrated models are small. Later Naks including the Dragon, ZX-9 and CR-7 have better and simpler overall analogue stage design which imparts less sonic signature and the 21Khz peaking filters are also superior - allowing a very consistent HF MOL over a wide variety of sources (CD, LP etc)


BTW, I agree with Willy that the Dragon is the best Nak deck for playback. The NAAK feature was very welcome but also necessary for long term (high) performance reliability.
The narrow gap PB heads that make Nak decks great also increases the requirement for azimuth accuracy - to avoid the dreaded high frequency roll-off.


Regards
David




From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Christian Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2012 11:39 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality

David,

My worry when reading your reply was to see you mention the test bench.  I have been led astray so many times by believing what I have measured or simulated being better that, on this at least, I now doubt my own ears when there is an objective reason one way or the other. Not that I don't believe in objective measurements but this single fact
is what had made me doubt the priorities of our measurements.

BTW, are we sure the Orange caps are polyester rather than early mica.


On Tuesday, 4 September 2012, Moore, David L <David.Moore at team.telstra.com<mailto:David.Moore at team.telstra.com>> wrote:
>
>
> I've owned many Naks including the 680, 682ZX, ZX-9, CR-7, LX-5, 1000ZXL, 700ZXL, and Dragon.
>
>
>
> They all sounded great but if pushed I would give the vote to the ZX-9. Aside from the sound quality it was the best performer overall on the test bench and much better BTW than a 680ZX.
>
>
>
> I still own a LX-5 which is a simplified ZX-7 but a great deck and I own a 700ZXL which is basically a slightly simplified 1000ZXL and it's my favourite machine from a nostalgic point of view. Actually if you care to go to the trouble of replacing (upgrading) many caps and op-amps the ZXL's can be raised above all others. The differential (discrete) PB head amp design is superior on the ZXL's to any other Nak deck.
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com<mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com<mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com>] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2012 10:13 AM
> To: shanti ramachandran; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>
>
>
> It's this kind of boasting nonsense that turned so many good Nakkers away from this place.
>
>
>
> And calling his favouritw tech from USA a Willy Nilly.
>
>
>
> Geez!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 04/09/2012, at 7:45 AM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com<mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Dragon,
>
>
>
> How about 2 Dragons, 2 CR7s, a CR4, a ZX7, a ZX9, a 680,a 680ZX, a 682Zx, a 670ZX,2 ZXLs, 1 ZXL Limited,a BX300, an LX5,a 700ZXE, a 700ZXL, 3 600s, a 550,
>
> a RX500, a RX 202................many other non Naks.
>
>
>
> Is that privileged enough for you to make a judgement?
>
>
>
> I still will stay away from judging. Like I said, I shall choose to listen on this one. This horse has been beaten to death here.
>
>
>
> Ram.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Dragan Vojvodic <serbianduke13 at gmail.com<mailto:serbianduke13 at gmail.com>>
> To: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com<mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>>
> Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
>
>
>
> yes but you need to have that privilege to have both of them to be a judge...
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:44 PM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com<mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> Oops. Here we go again! I meant about which deck sounds better than the other. I am not getting into this one.
>
>
>
> Ram.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: goodguy <josephjean at verizon.net<mailto:josephjean at verizon.net>>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>>

--
Christian Thomas

Has just (on 15/10/11) solved the root problem of loudspeaker and crossover design, after 25 years. It is so simple once you have pieced it together.  I now need your investment to keep the work going and complete the product range including amplifier.  Current price approx £3000/percent, up to 20% - covering approx 6 months and then proper fundraising for production.  You will generally NOT get to know what the secret is as a shareholder.  This does not constitute an offer of securities in any jurisdiction.

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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  5 02:41:53 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 17:41:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk ZX9 Quality
Message-ID: <1346805713.13284.YahooMailNeo@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Agreed. No point in responding to barkers. Thanks Willy for the sound advice..
We can certainly tune into music and forget the petty minded and the uninitiated.
Enjoy the music on whatever deck you have, preferably a Nakamichi!
Enjoy the music!
Ram.



O Freunde, nicht diese Toene!
Sondern lasst uns angenehmere anstimmen und freundenvollere! O friends! Not these sounds!
But let us strike up more pleasant sounds and more joyful! LvB Ninth Symphony, fourth movement Remember why we all are drawn to this equipment.  Take a deep breath, sit
back and listen to this movement.  If it's beauty doesn't leave you with
tears in your eyes you need to find another hobby. My two cents. Willy On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote: >Ram, >>I don't moderate everybody, I have better things to do! >If you guys want to argue, argue, I prefer to spend my time better. >What deck is better? Why upgrade, why not, does it really matter? Cables? >If you are happy with your deck fine, Norman likes the ZX-9 he fixed which >is good to hear! I dislike the Dragon, but others love it, good! >>Wouter >
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From pbtanner at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  5 00:37:45 2012
From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 22:37:45 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8Mf2dMaDfdcdN6irg94mrqC-wpCivp93G6uY=-1Qyh1ivg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0M9R006RZZSA6153@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>,
	<1346683476.36732.YahooMailNeo@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<CAG+rBzJeCbeRtzHwTkbw+CZWtEKoQ0oVD0rRXO+DN1y_LGv15g@mail.gmail.com>,
	<1346708742.66140.YahooMailNeo@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<3B9BD96D-F186-4D03-B699-ED6587DB19B7@yahoo.com>,
	<6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74B91AE6AA9@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com>,
	<1346767260.4118.YahooMailNeo@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<ab3fdf4184de6610c714d85c5c354c9f.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>,
	<CAM9V8Mf2dMaDfdcdN6irg94mrqC-wpCivp93G6uY=-1Qyh1ivg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT127-W446D602F029FFE79E4C71CDFAA0@phx.gbl>


Words of wisdom, Willy. That's exactly what I've been doing on my very humble 481Z and 582. At least compared to all these big guns people are talking about! I have four different versions of this symphony, two of them are considered historical but they sound beautiful nonetheless. On these decks, anyway.

Peter

Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 13:15:18 -0700
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
To: naktalk at naks.com

O Freunde,
nicht diese Toene!

Sondern lasst uns angenehmere anstimmen und freundenvollere!

O friends!
Not these sounds!

But let us strike up more pleasant sounds and more joyful!LvB Ninth Symphony, fourth movement

Remember why we all are drawn to this equipment.  Take a deep breath, sit back and listen to this movement.  If it's beauty doesn't leave you with tears in your eyes you need to find another hobby.

My two cents.
Willy
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:

Ram,



I don't moderate everybody, I have better things to do!

If you guys want to argue, argue, I prefer to spend my time better.

What deck is better? Why upgrade, why not, does it really matter? Cables?

If you are happy with your deck fine, Norman likes the ZX-9 he fixed which

is good to hear! I dislike the Dragon, but others love it, good!



Wouter



>

> Wouter, may a bit of moderation is warranted for some individuals who tend

> to shake up things here by personal attacks? Thanks.

>

> Ram.

>



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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Thu Sep  6 12:13:34 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl)
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2012 12:13:34 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Zx9 quality
In-Reply-To: <ab3fdf4184de6610c714d85c5c354c9f.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <0M9R006RZZSA6153@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
	<1346683476.36732.YahooMailNeo@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAG+rBzJeCbeRtzHwTkbw+CZWtEKoQ0oVD0rRXO+DN1y_LGv15g@mail.gmail.com>
	<1346708742.66140.YahooMailNeo@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<3B9BD96D-F186-4D03-B699-ED6587DB19B7@yahoo.com>
	<6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74B91AE6AA9@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
	<1346767260.4118.YahooMailNeo@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<ab3fdf4184de6610c714d85c5c354c9f.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <20120906121334.20535hjdvl0sa8w0@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl>

Hi all,

I did not send my mail about the ZX-9 to start a discussion if deck a  
betters deck b , but to share a moment of pure amazement about the  
quality of the deck i did work on. If there is a place to share then  
it is naktalk in my opinion. But reading all the reactions this forum  
is alive and kicking after all these years and it's nice to have such  
a place with common interest.

Regards Norman


Citeren Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>:

> Ram,
>
> I don't moderate everybody, I have better things to do!
> If you guys want to argue, argue, I prefer to spend my time better.
> What deck is better? Why upgrade, why not, does it really matter? Cables?
> If you are happy with your deck fine, Norman likes the ZX-9 he fixed which
> is good to hear! I dislike the Dragon, but others love it, good!
>
> Wouter
>
>>
>> Wouter, may a bit of moderation is warranted for some individuals who tend
>> to shake up things here by personal attacks? Thanks.
>>
>> Ram.
>>
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From hasse-naks at hagenjohansen.dk  Thu Sep  6 20:12:47 2012
From: hasse-naks at hagenjohansen.dk (Hasse Hagen Johansen)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 20:12:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] RX505E: Problem with digital counter when fast rewinding
In-Reply-To: <6E6C913F-528D-4174-A5C5-E2D0AB47BE7A@rochester.rr.com>
References: <20120903151736.51883DB5@resin04.mta.everyone.net>
	<6E6C913F-528D-4174-A5C5-E2D0AB47BE7A@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <071B4030-35C9-4901-904D-90E7AE8FAEE8@hagenjohansen.dk>

Hi

If you find a solution to this I would very much like to hear it. I have just bought one with the same problem. Mine doesn't count backwards at all when rewinding.

Best Regards
Hasse


On Sep 4, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Ronald Witt <rwitt at rochester.rr.com> wrote:

> Sure does sound like it. 
> 
> Ron
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 3, 2012, at 6:17 PM, MWB <next at muchomail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've noticed that the digital counter on my RX-505E doesn't start immediately when a tape is fast rewinding.
>> 
>> This only happens when the tape rewinds from stand still to very high speed at the beginning of a tape, and never in fast forward.
>> 
>> Is something slipping?
>> 
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Fri Sep  7 12:35:11 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 10:35:11 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Rx505 digital counter
Message-ID: <577986532-1347014112-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-268733902-@b16.c16.bise6.blackberry>

You would likely find that the optical sensor is bad on  one of the (left iirc) reel tables. The 505 does not use any counter belts. Easy to check with the right equipment. Does it shut off after a few seconds in Rew even with a tape in it?
Perry Esposito - From my phone


From hasse-naks at hagenjohansen.dk  Fri Sep  7 20:26:56 2012
From: hasse-naks at hagenjohansen.dk (Hasse Hagen Johansen)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 20:26:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Rx505 digital counter
In-Reply-To: <D3EDF2B0-742C-40B6-A04B-0C9087BB7397@hagenjohansen.dk>
References: <577986532-1347014112-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-268733902-@b16.c16.bise6.blackberry>
	<D3EDF2B0-742C-40B6-A04B-0C9087BB7397@hagenjohansen.dk>
Message-ID: <31947BB6-F136-4272-A114-F1B2CF2C9CE0@hagenjohansen.dk>

Ok. Just tried some more things.

If I don't have a tape inserted I can rewind and the machine will stop it because the other reel table is not moving, but I can move it myself and the counter will actually count down.

When having a tape inserted and fast forward it to the end and then doing a rewind. It will count down for quite some time until there i 1/3-1/4 og the tape left then it stops counting down. I can also see that the counter slips some times. So it seems like this counter issue is somehow depending on how much tape is on the left reel. 

Best Regards
Hasse

On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:43 PM, Hasse Hagen Johansen <hasse at hagenjohansen.dk> wrote:

> Hi Again
> 
> Not sure if your answer was to my post, but it seems all functions are working fine(haven't done much recording yet). I can also rewind a whole tape side without problems. It is only the counter not quite working when rewinding. It maybe count 1 down when starting the rewind and then just stays there until it stops where it also likely counts one down again
> 
> Best Regards
> Hasse
> 
> 
> On Sep 7, 2012, at 12:35 PM, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote:
> 
>> You would likely find that the optical sensor is bad on  one of the (left iirc) reel tables. The 505 does not use any counter belts. Easy to check with the right equipment. Does it shut off after a few seconds in Rew even with a tape in it?
>> Perry Esposito - From my phone
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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Fri Sep  7 20:43:29 2012
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:43:29 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Rx505 digital counter
In-Reply-To: <31947BB6-F136-4272-A114-F1B2CF2C9CE0@hagenjohansen.dk>
References: <577986532-1347014112-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-268733902-@b16.c16.bise6.blackberry>	<D3EDF2B0-742C-40B6-A04B-0C9087BB7397@hagenjohansen.dk>
	<31947BB6-F136-4272-A114-F1B2CF2C9CE0@hagenjohansen.dk>
Message-ID: <003201cd8d28$ac9952b0$05cbf810$@math.utah.edu>

This sounds a lot like loose counter belt. That's where I would start.

Vic



-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Hasse Hagen Johansen
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:27 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rx505 digital counter

Ok. Just tried some more things.

If I don't have a tape inserted I can rewind and the machine will stop it
because the other reel table is not moving, but I can move it myself and the
counter will actually count down.

When having a tape inserted and fast forward it to the end and then doing a
rewind. It will count down for quite some time until there i 1/3-1/4 og the
tape left then it stops counting down. I can also see that the counter slips
some times. So it seems like this counter issue is somehow depending on how
much tape is on the left reel.

Best Regards
Hasse

On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:43 PM, Hasse Hagen Johansen <hasse at hagenjohansen.dk>
wrote:

> Hi Again
>
> Not sure if your answer was to my post, but it seems all functions are
> working fine(haven't done much recording yet). I can also rewind a
> whole tape side without problems. It is only the counter not quite
> working when rewinding. It maybe count 1 down when starting the rewind
> and then just stays there until it stops where it also likely counts
> one down again
>
> Best Regards
> Hasse
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2012, at 12:35 PM, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote:
>
>> You would likely find that the optical sensor is bad on  one of the (left
iirc) reel tables. The 505 does not use any counter belts. Easy to check
with the right equipment. Does it shut off after a few seconds in Rew even
with a tape in it?
>> Perry Esposito - From my phone
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Sat Sep  8 13:27:27 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 11:27:27 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Rx505 counter problems in rew.
Message-ID: <166058834-1347103663-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-632062505-@b16.c16.bise6.blackberry>

Again, there is no counter belt in the rx505 or 303. There are 4 reflective segments on the back of each reel table, that an optical sensor picks up. The issue is not related to how much tape remains, but how fast the smaller spool is spinning due to the large spool accelerating it near the end. The issue lies with the fact that the sensor can not resolve the alternating reflective segments into counts. Either a weak or failing sensor (likely), or the reflective areas have oxidized, been scratched off, or affected in some way. At any rate, transport removal is required and the reel tables need to be removed and inspected. There is a link to my pictorial write up on the R&R of the transport for a 505 that clearly shows this on audiokarma.org in the Tape section under the Sticky with "perryinva" in the title.
Perry Esposito - From my phone


From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Sat Sep  8 16:51:13 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 16:51:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Rx505 counter problems in rew.
In-Reply-To: <166058834-1347103663-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-632062505-@b16.c16.bise6.blackberry>
References: <166058834-1347103663-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-632062505-@b16.c16.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <000001cd8dd1$6e83dff0$4b8b9fd0$@nl>

Hi all,

I have one case with a RX505 where the reflective sticker (partly black,
partly silver painted, has come loose from the back side of the reel table.
Maybe that is the case. It doesn't reflect any good that way.

Regards  Norman

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
perry.nak at comcast.net
Verzonden: zaterdag 8 september 2012 13:27
Aan: Naktalk at naks.com
Onderwerp: [naktalk] Rx505 counter problems in rew.

Again, there is no counter belt in the rx505 or 303. There are 4 reflective
segments on the back of each reel table, that an optical sensor picks up.
The issue is not related to how much tape remains, but how fast the smaller
spool is spinning due to the large spool accelerating it near the end. The
issue lies with the fact that the sensor can not resolve the alternating
reflective segments into counts. Either a weak or failing sensor (likely),
or the reflective areas have oxidized, been scratched off, or affected in
some way. At any rate, transport removal is required and the reel tables
need to be removed and inspected. There is a link to my pictorial write up
on the R&R of the transport for a 505 that clearly shows this on
audiokarma.org in the Tape section under the Sticky with "perryinva" in the
title.
Perry Esposito - From my phone
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From hasse-naks at hagenjohansen.dk  Sat Sep  8 17:12:50 2012
From: hasse-naks at hagenjohansen.dk (Hasse Hagen Johansen)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 17:12:50 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Rx505 counter problems in rew.
In-Reply-To: <166058834-1347103663-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-632062505-@b16.c16.bise6.blackberry>
References: <166058834-1347103663-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-632062505-@b16.c16.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <B69671E4-5F19-4C81-9F41-138893B323B9@hagenjohansen.dk>

Thanks for the pointers Perry. I will go and look at that :)

On Sep 8, 2012, at 1:27 PM, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote:

> Again, there is no counter belt in the rx505 or 303. There are 4 reflective segments on the back of each reel table, that an optical sensor picks up. The issue is not related to how much tape remains, but how fast the smaller spool is spinning due to the large spool accelerating it near the end. The issue lies with the fact that the sensor can not resolve the alternating reflective segments into counts. Either a weak or failing sensor (likely), or the reflective areas have oxidized, been scratched off, or affected in some way. At any rate, transport removal is required and the reel tables need to be removed and inspected. There is a link to my pictorial write up on the R&R of the transport for a 505 that clearly shows this on audiokarma.org in the Tape section under the Sticky with "perryinva" in the title.
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From tom_chr at jubii.dk  Sat Sep  8 17:42:01 2012
From: tom_chr at jubii.dk (T C R)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 08:42:01 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Rx505 digital counter
Message-ID: <ABF1F2BB4A4A42DE842C7F804305E350@mail2world.com>

My RX-505 suffers from same problem. Fast forward works, but when tape
is rewinding "really" fast - like rewinding at the very beginning of a
tape, the counter can fail to react.
When I rewind a full tape side from finish to start, the counter works
flawlessly, since the reel hubs start at a slower speed.
While rewinding a tape at the beginning, I have tried pushing the right
reel hub slightly upwards ever so slightly with my finger, and the
counter reacts again! So, the optical sensor isn't bad, but something is
surely slipping.

Since everything else is working on my deck, I have not gotten around to
alleviate the problem. However, since the push on the right reel hub was
so light, maybe a slight tightening of the back tension clutch is
enough.

The back tension clutch is located just behind the plate covering the
reel hubs.





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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Sun Sep  9 13:35:53 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 11:35:53 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Rx505 counter problem
Message-ID: <424832875-1347190592-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353016012-@b16.c16.bise6.blackberry>

Nothing is slipping. The only way to tighten the clutch, would be to increase the lift spring tension, but far more likely is that when you give the right reel table a slight push, you are just lifting the reflective part of the table deeper into the slot of the optical sensor. The solution is to adjust the optical sensor down, not raise the reel table up, if everything else is working and mechanically sound. Sometimes, the shaft for the reel table has loosened in the nylon mount due to cracking or impact, and is sagging or askew. If this is the case, the only really correct solution is to replace the transport plate that holds the shafts. The nylon in this case, can not be repaired.
Perry Esposito - From my phone


From next at muchomail.com  Sun Sep  9 13:56:58 2012
From: next at muchomail.com (MWB)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 04:56:58 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Rx505 counter problems in rew.
Message-ID: <20120909045658.9EBD7E13@resin11.mta.everyone.net>


Not wanting to go ahead with a full disassembly of the transport, I tried spraying a little amount of contact cleaner on the right reel hub disc with the reflective segments and the little optical sensor. That fixed the problem :-)



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From next at muchomail.com  Mon Sep 10 22:55:09 2012
From: next at muchomail.com (MWB)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 13:55:09 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Rx505 counter problem
Message-ID: <20120910135509.9EC2041B@m0005309.ppops.net>

I just gave the right optical sensor a little downwards push and the my counter doesn't stall anymore!

Thanks for the help, Perry :-)

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 12 00:16:26 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:16:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
In-Reply-To: <1346283415.72637.YahooMailNeo@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1346283415.72637.YahooMailNeo@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1347401786.11039.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I realize this must be old hat by now, but I do wonder what, exactly, is this 
mod about? Do you have the schematic?

-- Ron






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> From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
>To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:36 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
> 
>
>Hi friends,
>
>
> I'd like to share the ANT 4066 chip update that I had recently had done to my late serial number Dragon. The mod was done by a very competent tech( Willy Hermann of CA) in the USA and I have been comparing the modded deck with a stock Dragon and I was rudely shocked that the stock Dragon was much more pleasant sounding to my years both hot and cold and on every tape I threw at them.
>
>
>The ANT 4066 chip modded Dragon might have increased the spec on distortion and all but in the real listening test the stock Dragon was superb. What has happened is that the unmodded  Dragon sounds fuller and tight bassed, whereas the modded one has lost a tad of the bass in its sound and gained (may be a perception of mine due to loss of bass)a tad treble. It sounds a bit closer to the CR7. However, I liked the sound of my stock CR7 better than this modded Dragon overall. So there you go. For me it was not worth it, even though WIlly did state the technical specs did improve on the ANT chip Dragon.
>
>
>The above was my subjective listening tests that were corroborated with my teenage and early 20s' children. So it was not just me. The decks were set to the same output and all and it was done with 
>
>
>Now, take it for whats it is worth. Weigh the costs for the upgrade and see if you really need the sound difference that the mod accomplishes. 
>
>
>Thanks for reading all of this. Thanks Willy for the mod.
>
>
>Ram.
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 12 00:39:44 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:39:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: 4066 Modification.
In-Reply-To: <CC6629C9.C437%davidt124@internode.on.net>
References: <000a01cd86cb$071da9c0$1558fd40$@net>
	<CC6629C9.C437%davidt124@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <1347403184.52314.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>



LOL... In a previous response, Adrian states that he respects others' opinions. 
In the response below, he refers to Gerhard as 'dude' and to Gerhahrd's post 
as 'some crap'. I wonder how, exactly, he defines respect   :-)

-- Ron






>________________________________
> From: David Thompson <davidt124 at internode.on.net>
>To: Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:45 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 4066 Modification.
> 
>
>Dude – the Urban Dictionary says "A word that americans use to address each other. Particularly stoners, surfers and skaters."
>
>
>Not the greatest form of address for an international forum.
>
>
>David 
>
>From:  Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
>Reply-To:  Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
>Date:  Friday, 31 August 2012 2:18 AM
>To:  Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject:  RE: [naktalk] Re: 4066 Modification.
>
>
>
>Dude,
>>There is a lot of information you provide here;  you teach me (us) how to check the abilities of a cassette deck, you state that only COLUMBIA cassettes are a valid comparison, then some crap about recording from digital, then your personal point of view about how tape sounds compared to CD. Later on it becomes  even more interesting; you start telling how recording studios save money by going digital and how the quality is “not perfect” (I seriously wonder where in all this you place yourself in order to make this statements). Then you know what the Nakamichi engineers did, and then you know that “The Japanese” had an obsession…
>>You go further and state that you exactly know why buyers purchased the ZX 9 over the ZX 7, after which you jump strait to economics, talking about the “Japanese inflation” while you state that is was called “The negative Inflation” (Is this something like the “reverse racism”?).
>>Like I said a lot of mixed (and questionable) information out of which I missed the point.
>> 
>>Adrian
>> 
>> 
>>From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha
>>Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:04 AM
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>Subject: [naktalk] Re: 4066 Modification.
>> 
>>Yes Adrian, ...
>> May way to check a cassette recorder is to compare him to a analogue music source. Not more or less, he  will reach that if he is an NAKAMICHI.
>> 
>>I  do set record bias and  equalization to get the same sound  like on  the record disc.  To proof  the sound of an old playback amplifier we can use  old  cassettes.  If we don´t have any, the  music cassettes made by COLUMBIA are good to check  playback response.
>> It is easy and interesting to buy a cassette  from a  vinyl record we have already. 
>> 
>>It is  more easy to make  recordings from a digital source. A perfect  recorder  will be very near the CD. 
>>Some times  the tape recording is sounding  less digital. Or let me say,... better.
>>Some recording Studios  are  working digital, to save on Equipment,  and do a  not perfect made tape recording   after the digital sound mix was finished. 
>> 
>> The engineers from  NAKAMICHI  Research Inc. did went in a tone Studio to compare the cassette recordings with  real music instruments.
>> 
>>Because of the japanese obsession at that time, to make everything better  than things made  in USA or europe, they did have money and time for  Research.
>>Then Thousands  ZX-7  owners  did buy  the " new " ZX-9, just because it was a little more exact  tape transport  build in.
>> 
>>The japanese inflation at that time was the other way around !  That is called negative inflation. 
>> 
>>Gerhard from europe
>> 
>>Am 30.08.2012 um 04:19 schrieb Adrian Mechner:
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>I always said that a Nak sounds like a Nak only in mint original condition.
>>Believing that they did not have the needed parts or brains at that time to make them even better, seriously offends the brand, the designers and engineers. 
>>Adrian
>> 
>> 
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Wed Sep 12 01:41:42 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:41:42 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
In-Reply-To: <1347401786.11039.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1346283415.72637.YahooMailNeo@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1347401786.11039.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAM9V8McyENh+FgQ=GZhWn-h8=ZC-gp6GWYXi2t5PO=frQ9GZzg@mail.gmail.com>

Ron -

Here's the info on this mod -- and I guess a big free ad for ANT Audio:
http://www.ant-audio.co.uk/4066/Nakamichi_Dragon_Modification_with%20ANT4066.pdf


Willy

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I realize this must be old hat by now, but I do wonder what, exactly, is
> this
> mod about? Do you have the schematic?
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
> *To:* Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:36 PM
>
> *Subject:* [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
>
> Hi friends,
>
>  I'd like to share the ANT 4066 chip update that I had recently had done
> to my late serial number Dragon. The mod was done by a very competent tech(
> Willy Hermann of CA) in the USA and I have been comparing the modded deck
> with a stock Dragon and I was rudely shocked that the stock Dragon was much
> more pleasant sounding to my years both hot and cold and on every tape I
> threw at them.
>
> The ANT 4066 chip modded Dragon might have increased the spec on
> distortion and all but in the real listening test the stock Dragon was
> superb. What has happened is that the unmodded  Dragon sounds fuller and
> tight bassed, whereas the modded one has lost a tad of the bass in its
> sound and gained (may be a perception of mine due to loss of bass)a tad
> treble. It sounds a bit closer to the CR7. However, I liked the sound of my
> stock CR7 better than this modded Dragon overall. So there you go. For me
> it was not worth it, even though WIlly did state the technical specs did
> improve on the ANT chip Dragon.
>
> The above was my subjective listening tests that were corroborated with my
> teenage and early 20s' children. So it was not just me. The decks were set
> to the same output and all and it was done with
>
> Now, take it for whats it is worth. Weigh the costs for the upgrade and
> see if you really need the sound difference that the mod accomplishes.
>
> Thanks for reading all of this. Thanks Willy for the mod.
>
> Ram.
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
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>
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From avss01 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 00:43:05 2012
From: avss01 at gmail.com (avss01)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:43:05 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Polypropylene Caps
Message-ID: <CAES7Nr2wbEvTZn5cNCTq+YeWE=fM37hpt3=672E9fQ6B5GUAdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

Mindful of the fact this has been discussed in the past and from memory
turned into a bit of sparing match of words and opinions, I would like to
seek the collective opinion of those in the group that have first hand
experience with this.  My question is....
>From you measured experience, what exactly is the failure mechanism of the
orange drop poly caps in the typical Nakamichi deck.

Is it an increase or decrease in true capacitance
Is it an increase in ESR
Or is it an indeterminate destruction to the audio signal passing through
depending on the cap's position in the circuit (rustling noises etc).

I have found failed polys in the oscillator and bias circuits, no question,
because replacing them fixes the problems, but in all of the other cases
even though I routinely replace all caps, whether in the Dolby circuits or
the playback / record amps, I have never actually measured a capacitance
error or an ESR issue.  I am now left wondering what is worse.....
Leaving seemingly functional caps in place (assuming no obvious aural
problems), or replacing them with values that in some cases are not exact
to the original either in capacitance value or tolerance.

Any opinions or advice gratefully received.  Please keep it friendly :)

Regards David
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From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Wed Sep 12 00:54:05 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ronald Witt)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:54:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
In-Reply-To: <1347401786.11039.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1346283415.72637.YahooMailNeo@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1347401786.11039.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E685663F-B5B2-4757-8296-7C5A78F9DB74@rochester.rr.com>

Have a look on the ANT Audio website Alex explains it fully there. 

Ron

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I realize this must be old hat by now, but I do wonder what, exactly, is this 
> mod about? Do you have the schematic?
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> 
> 
> From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
> To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:36 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
>  I'd like to share the ANT 4066 chip update that I had recently had done to my late serial number Dragon. The mod was done by a very competent tech( Willy Hermann of CA) in the USA and I have been comparing the modded deck with a stock Dragon and I was rudely shocked that the stock Dragon was much more pleasant sounding to my years both hot and cold and on every tape I threw at them.
> 
> The ANT 4066 chip modded Dragon might have increased the spec on distortion and all but in the real listening test the stock Dragon was superb. What has happened is that the unmodded  Dragon sounds fuller and tight bassed, whereas the modded one has lost a tad of the bass in its sound and gained (may be a perception of mine due to loss of bass)a tad treble. It sounds a bit closer to the CR7. However, I liked the sound of my stock CR7 better than this modded Dragon overall. So there you go. For me it was not worth it, even though WIlly did state the technical specs did improve on the ANT chip Dragon.
> 
> The above was my subjective listening tests that were corroborated with my teenage and early 20s' children. So it was not just me. The decks were set to the same output and all and it was done with 
> 
> Now, take it for whats it is worth. Weigh the costs for the upgrade and see if you really need the sound difference that the mod accomplishes. 
> 
> Thanks for reading all of this. Thanks Willy for the mod.
> 
> Ram.
> 
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From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Wed Sep 12 02:05:47 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ronald Witt)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:05:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: 4066 Modification.
In-Reply-To: <1347403184.52314.YahooMailNeo@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <000a01cd86cb$071da9c0$1558fd40$@net>
	<CC6629C9.C437%davidt124@internode.on.net>
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Why do you want this to begin again? It's like a bunch of little kids fighting over their hot wheels cars. 
This is a Nakamichi forum is nothing sacred? Have some class. 

Ron

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> LOL... In a previous response, Adrian states that he respects others' opinions. 
> In the response below, he refers to Gerhard as 'dude' and to Gerhahrd's post 
> as 'some crap'. I wonder how, exactly, he defines respect   :-)
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> 
> 
> From: David Thompson <davidt124 at internode.on.net>
> To: Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 4066 Modification.
> 
> Dude – the Urban Dictionary says "A word that americans use to address each other. Particularly stoners, surfers and skaters."
> 
> Not the greatest form of address for an international forum.
> 
> David 
> 
> From: Adrian Mechner <adrian at mechner.net>
> Reply-To: Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Friday, 31 August 2012 2:18 AM
> To: Naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: 4066 Modification.
> 
> Dude,
> There is a lot of information you provide here;  you teach me (us) how to check the abilities of a cassette deck, you state that only COLUMBIA cassettes are a valid comparison, then some crap about recording from digital, then your personal point of view about how tape sounds compared to CD. Later on it becomes  even more interesting; you start telling how recording studios save money by going digital and how the quality is “not perfect” (I seriously wonder where in all this you place yourself in order to make this statements). Then you know what the Nakamichi engineers did, and then you know that “The Japanese” had an obsession…
> You go further and state that you exactly know why buyers purchased the ZX 9 over the ZX 7, after which you jump strait to economics, talking about the “Japanese inflation” while you state that is was called “The negative Inflation” (Is this something like the “reverse racism”?).
> Like I said a lot of mixed (and questionable) information out of which I missed the point.
>  
> Adrian
>  
>  
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:04 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: 4066 Modification.
>  
> Yes Adrian, ...
>  May way to check a cassette recorder is to compare him to a analogue music source. Not more or less, he  will reach that if he is an NAKAMICHI.
>  
> I  do set record bias and  equalization to get the same sound  like on  the record disc.  To proof  the sound of an old playback amplifier we can use  old  cassettes.  If we don´t have any, the  music cassettes made by COLUMBIA are good to check  playback response.
>  It is easy and interesting to buy a cassette  from a  vinyl record we have already. 
>  
> It is  more easy to make  recordings from a digital source. A perfect  recorder  will be very near the CD. 
> Some times  the tape recording is sounding  less digital. Or let me say,... better.
> Some recording Studios  are  working digital, to save on Equipment,  and do a  not perfect made tape recording   after the digital sound mix was finished. 
>  
>  The engineers from  NAKAMICHI  Research Inc. did went in a tone Studio to compare the cassette recordings with  real music instruments.
>  
> Because of the japanese obsession at that time, to make everything better  than things made  in USA or europe, they did have money and time for  Research.
> Then Thousands  ZX-7  owners  did buy  the " new " ZX-9, just because it was a little more exact  tape transport  build in.
>  
> The japanese inflation at that time was the other way around !  That is called negative inflation. 
>  
> Gerhard from europe
>  
> Am 30.08.2012 um 04:19 schrieb Adrian Mechner:
>  
>  
> 
> 
> I always said that a Nak sounds like a Nak only in mint original condition.
> Believing that they did not have the needed parts or brains at that time to make them even better, seriously offends the brand, the designers and engineers.
> Adrian
>  
>  
> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> 
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From noneyhoney at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 12 06:29:12 2012
From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:59:12 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] A question about belts and take-up spool
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Hi allI have 2 questions:a) Is the DR2 3 head transport the same as the CR3/CR4/MR1/CD1/CD2 etc. transport ? I need a capstan belt and the only belts listed are usually for the CR and MR series.b) On playback, my MR2 keeps turning off after a while (as in head retracts). But if I keep the take up spool pressed a little with my finger, it keeps playing without a hitch. I guess this is not a tyre issue is it ? Ive tried cleaning and light greasing but its still the same issue. Any help on these is highly appreciatedThanks and regardsSoumi
 		 	   		  
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From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Wed Sep 12 12:44:29 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:44:29 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Polypropylene Caps
In-Reply-To: <CAES7Nr2wbEvTZn5cNCTq+YeWE=fM37hpt3=672E9fQ6B5GUAdQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689E4D2A@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>

I have measured failed orange drop caps on my wayne kerr LCR, the ESR is thru the roof and the capacitance varies greatly with frequency.



From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of avss01
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:43 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Polypropylene Caps

Hi all

Mindful of the fact this has been discussed in the past and from memory turned into a bit of sparing match of words and opinions, I would like to seek the collective opinion of those in the group that have first hand experience with this.  My question is....
>From you measured experience, what exactly is the failure mechanism of the orange drop poly caps in the typical Nakamichi deck.

Is it an increase or decrease in true capacitance
Is it an increase in ESR
Or is it an indeterminate destruction to the audio signal passing through depending on the cap's position in the circuit (rustling noises etc).

I have found failed polys in the oscillator and bias circuits, no question, because replacing them fixes the problems, but in all of the other cases even though I routinely replace all caps, whether in the Dolby circuits or the playback / record amps, I have never actually measured a capacitance error or an ESR issue.  I am now left wondering what is worse.....
Leaving seemingly functional caps in place (assuming no obvious aural problems), or replacing them with values that in some cases are not exact to the original either in capacitance value or tolerance.

Any opinions or advice gratefully received.  Please keep it friendly :)

Regards David
avss01

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 12 19:32:16 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:32:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
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	<1347401786.11039.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<CAM9V8McyENh+FgQ=GZhWn-h8=ZC-gp6GWYXi2t5PO=frQ9GZzg@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks for the pointer,Willy. 


I have used 4066 ICs in several audio related designs (though, to be honest, these were 

all industrial audio and not high end). The 4066 isn't really a switch. It's variable resistors. 

Toapproximate switch action R(on) must be low enough to approximate a short and 

R(off) must be so high as to approximate an open circuit. To 'switch' audio with minimal 

distortion, R(on) must also be constant. To meet these requirements, it is good 

engineering practiceto power the IC from fairly high and symmetrical voltage rails. So, I 

wonder if most of the change causedby the mod was due to the level shifting, rather that 

the new IC characteristics. 

Based on all the above, the mod should reduce distortion -- a welcome result for objectivists.
OTOH, subjectivists (that enjoy 'warm' and 'rich' reproduction -- IOW, mild even harmonic 
distortion), would dislike the mod, having
 been deprived of the sonic characteristics they 
like. I wasn't surprised the sound was criticized for itsCR-7 leaning (personally, I preferred 
the CR-7 to the Dragon after extensive listening, but am well aware that I am in the minority).

-- Ron



>________________________________
> From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>To: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
> 
>
>Ron -
>
>
>Here's the info on this mod -- and I guess a big free ad for ANT Audio:
>http://www.ant-audio.co.uk/4066/Nakamichi_Dragon_Modification_with%20ANT4066.pdf 
>
>
>Willy
>
>
>On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I realize this must be old hat by now, but I do wonder what, exactly, is this 
>>mod about? Do you have the schematic?
>>
>>-- Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
>>>To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:36 PM
>>>
>>>Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
>>> 
>>>
>>>Hi friends,
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to share the ANT 4066 chip update that I had recently had done to my late serial number Dragon. The mod was done by a very competent tech( Willy Hermann of CA) in the USA and I have been comparing the modded deck with a stock Dragon and I was rudely shocked that the stock Dragon was much more pleasant sounding to my years both hot and cold and on every tape I threw at them.
>>>
>>>
>>>The ANT 4066 chip modded Dragon might have increased the spec on distortion and all but in the real listening test the stock Dragon was superb. What has happened is that the unmodded  Dragon sounds fuller and tight bassed, whereas the modded one has lost a tad of the bass in its sound and gained (may be a perception of mine due to loss of bass)a tad treble. It sounds a bit closer to the CR7. However, I liked the sound of my stock CR7 better than this modded Dragon overall. So there you go. For me it was not worth it, even though WIlly did state the technical specs did improve on the ANT chip Dragon.
>>>
>>>
>>>The above was my subjective listening tests that were corroborated with my teenage and early 20s' children. So it was not just me. The decks were set to the same output and all and it was done with 
>>>
>>>
>>>Now, take it for whats it is worth. Weigh the costs for the upgrade and see if you really need the sound difference that the mod accomplishes. 
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks for reading all of this. Thanks Willy for the mod.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ram.
>>>
>>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 12 19:49:32 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:49:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] A question about belts and take-up spool
In-Reply-To: <COL107-W17D81AB1CA2DB4A1AD824BC9920@phx.gbl>
References: <201209111002.q8BA0365018826@zxe.naks.com>
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Your problem with the MR-2 does sound like a takeup issue, so it is possible the tire 

is at fault. Try to thoroughly clean the mating surfaces between the tire and the hub. 

If you've greased anything, make absolutely sure none of the lubricant got even close 

to theses surfaces and after cleaning avoid touching those surfaces with your fingers.

-- Ron




>________________________________
> From: s b <noneyhoney at hotmail.com>
>To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:29 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] A question about belts and take-up spool
> 
>
> 
>Hi all
>I have 2 questions:
>a) Is the DR2 3 head transport the same as the CR3/CR4/MR1/CD1/CD2 etc. transport ? I need a capstan belt and the only belts listed are usually for the CR and MR series.
>b) On playback, my MR2 keeps turning off after a while (as in head retracts). But if I keep the take up spool pressed a little with my finger, it keeps playing without a hitch. I guess this is not a tyre issue is it ? Ive tried cleaning and light greasing but its still the same issue. 
>Any help on these is highly appreciated
>Thanks and regards
>Soumi
>
>
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From lenaw at flash.net  Wed Sep 12 20:10:54 2012
From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:10:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
In-Reply-To: <1347471136.336.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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You have the right to decide which machine's sound you like and there is 
absolutely nothing wrong with it (IMHO there is no just thing as Majority or 
Minority here) and so do others. We all know that you like the sound of the CR-7 
and that is absolutely fine.

Much appreciated with your technical clarification of the part.


Mike



________________________________
From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wed, September 12, 2012 12:46:51 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.


Thanks for the pointer,Willy. 


I have used 4066 ICs in several audio related designs (though, to be honest, 
these were 


all industrial audio and not high end). The 4066 isn't really a switch. It's 
variable resistors. 


Toapproximate switch action R(on) must be low enough to approximate a short and 

R(off) must be so high as to approximate an open circuit. To 'switch' audio with 
minimal 


distortion, R(on) must also be constant. To meet these requirements, it is good 

engineering practiceto power the IC from fairly high and symmetrical voltage 
rails. So, I 


wonder if most of the change causedby the mod was due to the level shifting, 
rather that 


the new IC characteristics. 

Based on all the above, the mod should reduce distortion -- a welcome result for 
objectivists.
OTOH, subjectivists (that enjoy 'warm' and 'rich' reproduction -- IOW, mild even 
harmonic 

distortion), would dislike the mod, having been deprived of the sonic 
characteristics they 

like. I wasn't surprised the sound was criticized for itsCR-7 leaning 
(personally, I preferred 

the CR-7 to the Dragon after extensive listening, but am well aware that I am in 
the minority).

-- Ron 



________________________________
From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>To: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
><naktalk at naks.com> 
>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
>
>
>Ron - 
>
>
>Here's the info on this mod -- and I guess a big free ad for ANT Audio:
>http://www.ant-audio.co.uk/4066/Nakamichi_Dragon_Modification_with%20ANT4066.pdf 
>
>
>
>Willy
>
>
>On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I realize this must be old hat by now, but I do wonder what, exactly, is this 
>>mod about? Do you have the schematic?
>>
>>-- Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
________________________________
From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
>>>To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:36 PM 
>>>
>>>Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi friends,
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to share the ANT 4066 chip update that I had recently had done to my 
>>>late serial number Dragon. The mod was done by a very competent tech( Willy 
>>>Hermann of CA) in the USA and I have been comparing the modded deck with a stock 
>>>Dragon and I was rudely shocked that the stock Dragon was much more pleasant 
>>>sounding to my years both hot and cold and on every tape I threw at them.
>>>
>>>
>>>The ANT 4066 chip modded Dragon might have increased the spec on distortion and 
>>>all but in the real listening test the stock Dragon was superb. What has 
>>>happened is that the unmodded  Dragon sounds fuller and tight bassed, whereas 
>>>the modded one has lost a tad of the bass in its sound and gained (may be a 
>>>perception of mine due to loss of bass)a tad treble. It sounds a bit closer to 
>>>the CR7. However, I liked the sound of my stock CR7 better than this modded 
>>>Dragon overall. So there you go. For me it was not worth it, even though WIlly 
>>>did state the technical specs did improve on the ANT chip Dragon.
>>>
>>>
>>>The above was my subjective listening tests that were corroborated with my 
>>>teenage and early 20s' children. So it was not just me. The decks were set to 
>>>the same output and all and it was done with 
>>>
>>>
>>>Now, take it for whats it is worth. Weigh the costs for the upgrade and see if 
>>>you really need the sound difference that the mod accomplishes. 
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks for reading all of this. Thanks Willy for the mod.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ram.
>>>
>>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>
>>>
>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Wed Sep 12 20:55:37 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:55:37 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Polypropylene Caps
In-Reply-To: <CAES7Nr2wbEvTZn5cNCTq+YeWE=fM37hpt3=672E9fQ6B5GUAdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAES7Nr2wbEvTZn5cNCTq+YeWE=fM37hpt3=672E9fQ6B5GUAdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401cd9118$328768b0$97963a10$@nl>

Hi David,

 

The decision to replace the caps or not is personal. On this forum there are
people who replace only the bad ones and there are people who replaces them
all.

My choice is to replace them all. I replace them with high precision ones
and from good material. After replacement you have to readjust the deck.
The reason i make this choice is that the most customers wants a reliable
deck for many years .  If you repair your own deck then you have maybe
another point of view on this one.

I havehad  several decks with crackling sound . The reason for that :  the
pp caps on the Dolby boards.

Not always measurable with my caps meter. 

 

Regards Norman

Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
avss01
Verzonden: woensdag 12 september 2012 0:43
Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Onderwerp: [naktalk] Polypropylene Caps

 

Hi all

 

Mindful of the fact this has been discussed in the past and from memory
turned into a bit of sparing match of words and opinions, I would like to
seek the collective opinion of those in the group that have first hand
experience with this.  My question is....

>From you measured experience, what exactly is the failure mechanism of the
orange drop poly caps in the typical Nakamichi deck.

 

Is it an increase or decrease in true capacitance

Is it an increase in ESR

Or is it an indeterminate destruction to the audio signal passing through
depending on the cap's position in the circuit (rustling noises etc).

 

I have found failed polys in the oscillator and bias circuits, no question,
because replacing them fixes the problems, but in all of the other cases
even though I routinely replace all caps, whether in the Dolby circuits or
the playback / record amps, I have never actually measured a capacitance
error or an ESR issue.  I am now left wondering what is worse.....

Leaving seemingly functional caps in place (assuming no obvious aural
problems), or replacing them with values that in some cases are not exact to
the original either in capacitance value or tolerance.

 

Any opinions or advice gratefully received.  Please keep it friendly :)

 

Regards David

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Sep 12 21:46:28 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 21:46:28 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
In-Reply-To: <1347473454.46401.YahooMailRC@web184702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1346283415.72637.YahooMailNeo@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <a4d6adb163fd9b464bf86949e0288760.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Nicely put Mike, and  Thanks Ron for the clarification, I think I also get
it now ;-)

Wouter

> You have the right to decide which machine's sound you like and there is
> absolutely nothing wrong with it (IMHO there is no just thing as Majority
> or
> Minority here) and so do others. We all know that you like the sound of
> the CR-7
> and that is absolutely fine.
>
> Much appreciated with your technical clarification of the part.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wed, September 12, 2012 12:46:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
>
>
> Thanks for the pointer,Willy.
>
>
> I have used 4066 ICs in several audio related designs (though, to be
> honest,
> these were
>
>
> all industrial audio and not high end). The 4066 isn't really a switch.
> It's
> variable resistors.
>
>
> Toapproximate switch action R(on) must be low enough to approximate a
> short and
>
> R(off) must be so high as to approximate an open circuit. To 'switch'
> audio with
> minimal
>
>
> distortion, R(on) must also be constant. To meet these requirements, it is
> good
>
> engineering practiceto power the IC from fairly high and symmetrical
> voltage
> rails. So, I
>
>
> wonder if most of the change causedby the mod was due to the level
> shifting,
> rather that
>
>
> the new IC characteristics.
>
> Based on all the above, the mod should reduce distortion -- a welcome
> result for
> objectivists.
> OTOH, subjectivists (that enjoy 'warm' and 'rich' reproduction -- IOW,
> mild even
> harmonic
>
> distortion), would dislike the mod, having been deprived of the sonic
> characteristics they
>
> like. I wasn't surprised the sound was criticized for itsCR-7 leaning
> (personally, I preferred
>
> the CR-7 to the Dragon after extensive listening, but am well aware that I
> am in
> the minority).
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>>To: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>><naktalk at naks.com>
>>
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:41 PM
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
>>
>>
>>Ron -
>>
>>
>>Here's the info on this mod -- and I guess a big free ad for ANT Audio:
>>http://www.ant-audio.co.uk/4066/Nakamichi_Dragon_Modification_with%20ANT4066.pdf 
>>
>>
>>
>>Willy
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>I realize this must be old hat by now, but I do wonder what, exactly, is
>> this
>>>mod about? Do you have the schematic?
>>>
>>>-- Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> ________________________________
> From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
>>>>To: Talkabout Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:36 PM
>>>>
>>>>Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon with ANT 4066 Modification.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi friends,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to share the ANT 4066 chip update that I had recently had
>>>> done to my
>>>>late serial number Dragon. The mod was done by a very competent tech(
>>>> Willy
>>>>Hermann of CA) in the USA and I have been comparing the modded deck
>>>> with a stock
>>>>Dragon and I was rudely shocked that the stock Dragon was much more
>>>> pleasant
>>>>sounding to my years both hot and cold and on every tape I threw at
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The ANT 4066 chip modded Dragon might have increased the spec on
>>>> distortion and
>>>>all but in the real listening test the stock Dragon was superb. What
>>>> has
>>>>happened is that the unmodded  Dragon sounds fuller and tight bassed,
>>>> whereas
>>>>the modded one has lost a tad of the bass in its sound and gained (may
>>>> be a
>>>>perception of mine due to loss of bass)a tad treble. It sounds a bit
>>>> closer to
>>>>the CR7. However, I liked the sound of my stock CR7 better than this
>>>> modded
>>>>Dragon overall. So there you go. For me it was not worth it, even
>>>> though WIlly
>>>>did state the technical specs did improve on the ANT chip Dragon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The above was my subjective listening tests that were corroborated with
>>>> my
>>>>teenage and early 20s' children. So it was not just me. The decks were
>>>> set to
>>>>the same output and all and it was done with 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Now, take it for whats it is worth. Weigh the costs for the upgrade and
>>>> see if
>>>>you really need the sound difference that the mod accomplishes. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for reading all of this. Thanks Willy for the mod.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ram.
>>>>




From avss01 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 06:53:06 2012
From: avss01 at gmail.com (avss01)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:53:06 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Polypropylene Caps
In-Reply-To: <002401cd9118$328768b0$97963a10$@nl>
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Message-ID: <CAES7Nr1BGQD_68ks1kTpky4193e+dhqFw88233=hZV_+w4_+Rg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Norman

Thans for your reply.  That makes great sense to me.  I am in the replace
them all camp too, and fully realigning the deck is no problem as I would
check all that anyway.  May I ask where you source the high precision
replacements?  I have trouble with RS and Mouser in Australia.  In
particular with the ZX-9 values.

Regards

David


:

> Hi David,****
>
> ** **
>
> The decision to replace the caps or not is personal. On this forum there
> are people who replace only the bad ones and there are people who replaces
> them all.****
>
> My choice is to replace them all. I replace them with high precision ones
> and from good material. After replacement you have to readjust the deck.
>  The reason i make this choice is that the most customers wants a reliable
> deck for many years .  If you repair your own deck then you have maybe
> another point of view on this one.****
>
> I havehad  several decks with crackling sound . The reason for that :  the
> pp caps on the Dolby boards.****
>
> Not always measurable with my caps meter. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Regards Norman****
>
> *
> *
>
>
>
>
>
> ** **
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From avss01 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 06:58:51 2012
From: avss01 at gmail.com (avss01)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:58:51 +1000
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Polypropylene Caps
In-Reply-To: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689E4D2A@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
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Thanks Scott.  The take home point then, is to consider them all bad if in
a deck over 25 years old.  I was only measuring capacitance, and only with
a cheap meter.  The high ESR is a real worry.

Regards

David

On Wednesday, September 12, 2012, Garner, Scott H wrote:

>  I have measured failed orange drop caps on my wayne kerr LCR, the ESR is
> thru the roof and the capacitance varies greatly with frequency.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
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>
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From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Thu Sep 13 13:27:22 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:27:22 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Polypropylene Caps
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When repairing a deck, which at this point is only 1000zxl's, I am not interested in working on any other deck at this point in my life, I always replace all of the PP caps. The 2 in the display are a pain to get to but such is life.


From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of avss01
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:59 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] Polypropylene Caps

Thanks Scott.  The take home point then, is to consider them all bad if in a deck over 25 years old.  I was only measuring capacitance, and only with a cheap meter.  The high ESR is a real worry.

Regards

David

On Wednesday, September 12, 2012, Garner, Scott H wrote:
I have measured failed orange drop caps on my wayne kerr LCR, the ESR is thru the roof and the capacitance varies greatly with frequency.








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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Thu Sep 13 16:37:45 2012
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:37:45 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] ANT4066 Dragon mod
Message-ID: <22375285-1347547067-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-734767088-@b16.c16.bise6.blackberry>

Minor clarification point to be made, is while what was said about the balanced supply providing better performance is true, in this case, the 4066 stays unbalanced, with +12 & -2vdc as the values. Not only does the largest balanced supply span produce the lowest ON resistance and capacitance in the same device, so does the largest switching value spans, which is what is actually "translated" in this case. Because of the limits of the ic components, there are compromises. If a chip is designed with lower ON resistance and capacitance, it has lower voltage supply capability. Give the chip higher voltage capability, and the lowest On resistance and capacitance goes up. Like I said earlier, its not like these are op amps or power transistors which all impart their own sonic signature, these are switches or switch equivalents to be more correct. The newer ones like HC4066  and the ANT4066 simply have newer available designs and material vs the old ones, so the resistance, capacitance, and frequency linearity are all better. But as was stated, all sound preference is personal and subjective, so to each his own.
Perry Esposito - From my phone



From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl  Fri Sep 14 12:49:18 2012
From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman Naktalk van Wijnen)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:49:18 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Polypropylene Caps
In-Reply-To: <CAES7Nr1BGQD_68ks1kTpky4193e+dhqFw88233=hZV_+w4_+Rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAES7Nr2wbEvTZn5cNCTq+YeWE=fM37hpt3=672E9fQ6B5GUAdQ@mail.gmail.com>	<002401cd9118$328768b0$97963a10$@nl>
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Hi David,

 

Mostly i do business with Farnell. I live in the Netherlands and for me
Farnell can do the job. 

They have a lot of 1 % values such as  VISHAY ROEDERSTEIN - MKP1837333161G -
CAPACITOR, 0.033UF, 160V (as example of course ).

I use pp capacitors because Nakamichi used them also and if the values are
not availiable then i use LCR COMPONENTS - FSCEX 1800PF 1%160V - CAPACITOR,
1.8NF, 160V (also as example)

The last ones are Polystyrene  caps. If it is possible i use 1% caps but if
you follow the manual Nakamichi uses  1,2 and 5 procent in different places.

 

Regards Norman

 

 

Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
avss01
Verzonden: donderdag 13 september 2012 6:53
Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Onderwerp: [naktalk] Re: Polypropylene Caps

 

Hi Norman

 

Thans for your reply.  That makes great sense to me.  I am in the replace
them all camp too, and fully realigning the deck is no problem as I would
check all that anyway.  May I ask where you source the high precision
replacements?  I have trouble with RS and Mouser in Australia.  In
particular with the ZX-9 values.

 

Regards

 

David



:

Hi David,

 

The decision to replace the caps or not is personal. On this forum there are
people who replace only the bad ones and there are people who replaces them
all.

My choice is to replace them all. I replace them with high precision ones
and from good material. After replacement you have to readjust the deck.
The reason i make this choice is that the most customers wants a reliable
deck for many years .  If you repair your own deck then you have maybe
another point of view on this one.

I havehad  several decks with crackling sound . The reason for that :  the
pp caps on the Dolby boards.

Not always measurable with my caps meter. 

 

Regards Norman

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From avss01 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 22:48:13 2012
From: avss01 at gmail.com (avss01)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 06:48:13 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Polypropylene Caps
In-Reply-To: <001201cd9266$98084250$c818c6f0$@nl>
References: <CAES7Nr2wbEvTZn5cNCTq+YeWE=fM37hpt3=672E9fQ6B5GUAdQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401cd9118$328768b0$97963a10$@nl>
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Thanks so much for your reply and generous information Norman.  I will have
another look at Farnell (element 14 here in Australia).   I wonder if
metalized pp is OK if straight pp is difficult to source?  Note also that
polystyrene is OK if necessary for certain values.

Kind regards

David


On Friday, September 14, 2012, Norman Naktalk van Wijnen wrote:

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From noneyhoney at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 15 12:44:53 2012
From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:14:53 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] A question about belts and take-up spool
In-Reply-To: <201209131003.q8DA04cJ027871@zxe.naks.com>
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Hi RonThank you for the clarification. I have cleaned the mating surfaces many times, take up torque is good and tapes FFWD without stopping ... its only during playback that this happens, and the tapes are freely moving without jamming.Also, why would pressing the take up spool at its hub prevent the stopping ?
Thanks and regardsSoumitra

      

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From: ronami at yahoo.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:49:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [naktalk] A question about belts and take-up spool


Your problem with the MR-2 does sound like a takeup issue, so it is possible the tire 
is at fault. Try to thoroughly clean the mating surfaces between the tire and the hub. 
If you've greased anything, make absolutely sure none of the lubricant got even close 
to theses surfaces and after cleaning avoid touching those surfaces with your fingers.
-- Ron

      
 		 	   		  
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From fred at marrscom.com  Sat Sep 15 16:34:15 2012
From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 09:34:15 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
Message-ID: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>

9-15-12

Hello All,

The ZX-9 is with out a doubt the Nakamichi King above all other models.

The LX-5 is the most dependable.

The CR-7A is trouble prone. Owned 2 new machines, both Junk.

Later, Fred M.


From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 15 17:21:38 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 08:21:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] A question about belts and take-up spool
In-Reply-To: <COL107-W39805B85F45DC23907A3BFC9970@phx.gbl>
References: <201209131003.q8DA04cJ027871@zxe.naks.com>
	<COL107-W39805B85F45DC23907A3BFC9970@phx.gbl>
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Soumitra,

Please replace the idler tire. Its a simple and inexpensive procedure. Order from Fred Marrs or ESL. Once done, the playback errors due to 
idler tire wear will be eliminated. Cleaning the tire will only temporarily incrase traction and the tire will soon lose grip again. Good luck.

Ram.


________________________________
 From: s b <noneyhoney at hotmail.com>
To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] A question about belts and take-up spool
 

 
Hi Ron
>Thank you for the clarification. I have cleaned the mating surfaces many times, take up torque is good and tapes FFWD without stopping ... its only during playback that this happens, and the tapes are freely moving without jamming.
>Also, why would pressing the take up spool at its hub prevent the stopping ?
>
>
>Thanks and regards
>Soumitra
>
>
>

--Forwarded Message Attachment--
From: ronami at yahoo.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:49:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [naktalk] A question about belts and take-up spool




Your problem with the MR-2 does sound like a takeup issue, so it is possible the tire 

is at fault. Try to thoroughly clean the mating surfaces between the tire and the hub. 

If you've greased anything, make absolutely sure none of the lubricant got even close 

to theses surfaces and after cleaning avoid touching those surfaces with your fingers.

-- Ron




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From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Sat Sep 15 18:49:00 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ronald Witt)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 12:49:00 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
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I would agree and have to say that the ZX-7 is as good. I love mine. 

Ron

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Fred Marrs <fred at marrscom.com> wrote:

> 9-15-12
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> The ZX-9 is with out a doubt the Nakamichi King above all other models.
> 
> The LX-5 is the most dependable.
> 
> The CR-7A is trouble prone. Owned 2 new machines, both Junk.
> 
> Later, Fred M.
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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 15 19:24:16 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 19:24:16 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
In-Reply-To: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>
References: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>
Message-ID: <BAY156-W701EC853D2517361C3369E3970@phx.gbl>



 thank the lord I have a zx-9
 
pieter from deutschland
 
 

> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 09:34:15 -0500
> From: fred at marrscom.com
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
> 
> 9-15-12
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> The ZX-9 is with out a doubt the Nakamichi King above all other models.
> 
> The LX-5 is the most dependable.
> 
> The CR-7A is trouble prone. Owned 2 new machines, both Junk.
> 
> Later, Fred M.
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 15 20:17:10 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 11:17:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
In-Reply-To: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>
References: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>
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Fred,

CR7s may be problem prone, but easily fixable. I have never had a CR that was not easily repairable by a clutz like me.

ZX9 is of course one of Naks best all time decks. 

Ram.


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 From: Fred Marrs <fred at marrscom.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:34 AM
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
 
9-15-12

Hello All,

The ZX-9 is with out a doubt the Nakamichi King above all other models.

The LX-5 is the most dependable.

The CR-7A is trouble prone. Owned 2 new machines, both Junk.

Later, Fred M.
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 16 04:49:21 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 19:49:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
In-Reply-To: <BAY156-W701EC853D2517361C3369E3970@phx.gbl>
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	<BAY156-W701EC853D2517361C3369E3970@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1347763761.8448.YahooMailNeo@web163802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Besides the physical built quality, there are more differences between the ZX9 and the CR7. Both use different IEC standards (1976 for the ZX-9 and 1981 for CR-7) as well as different transports and different electronics. Because the CR-7 was also produced when digital media (such as CDs and soon after DAT) were becoming main-stream, the sound itself is reminiscent of this new media. Remember that Mini-Disc was released just two years after the CR-7 hit the market. Listening to other decks of the same period from Sony and Aiwa, it is a good conclusion that decks were intended to sound less vinyl (like the ZX-9) did and more clean and straight. 

This argument parallels the legendary analogue vs digital, tube vs transistor and straight-wire with gain approach (that Naim fans attest to) vs warm and bloom in their music. 

It comes down to what the individual's taste is like that determines what he (or she) thinks is the king of all Naks.  

I do agree that the CR-7 ( and the Dragon) leave plenty to be desired in the build quality. With maturing manufacturing process, companies had learnt to eke out more with less and got the performance they wanted out of less well built transports like the Sankyo. One interesting point is one of Technics' earlier cassette deck. With a quartz-controlled closed-loop speed controlled capstan drive scheme, they still only matched the W/F figure of belt driven Naks of that time! One has to take into context all these factors when working on a Nak to realise how they obtained performance from the components and materials they used. The later decks need more careful handling, but then ALL equipment should be handled with similar care. 




________________________________
 From: pieter rodgers <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:24 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
 

 

 thank the lord I have a zx-9
 
pieter from deutschland
 
 

> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 09:34:15 -0500
> From: fred at marrscom.com
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
> 
> 9-15-12
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> The ZX-9 is with out a doubt the Nakamichi King above all other models.
> 
> The LX-5 is the most dependable.
> 
> The CR-7A is trouble prone. Owned 2 new machines, both Junk.
> 
> Later, Fred M.
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From lucidsound at ic24.net  Sun Sep 16 12:32:31 2012
From: lucidsound at ic24.net (Lucidsounds)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:32:31 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
References: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com><BAY156-W701EC853D2517361C3369E3970@phx.gbl>
	<1347763761.8448.YahooMailNeo@web163802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Which Technics deck are you referring to?


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bala Ganesh Chandra 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !


  Besides the physical built quality, there are more differences between the ZX9 and the CR7. Both use different IEC standards (1976 for the ZX-9 and 1981 for CR-7) as well as different transports and different electronics. Because the CR-7 was also produced when digital media (such as CDs and soon after DAT) were becoming main-stream, the sound itself is reminiscent of this new media. Remember that Mini-Disc was released just two years after the CR-7 hit the market. Listening to other decks of the same period from Sony and Aiwa, it is a good conclusion that decks were intended to sound less vinyl (like the ZX-9) did and more clean and straight. 


  This argument parallels the legendary analogue vs digital, tube vs transistor and straight-wire with gain approach (that Naim fans attest to) vs warm and bloom in their music. 


  It comes down to what the individual's taste is like that determines what he (or she) thinks is the king of all Naks.  


  I do agree that the CR-7 ( and the Dragon) leave plenty to be desired in the build quality. With maturing manufacturing process, companies had learnt to eke out more with less and got the performance they wanted out of less well built transports like the Sankyo. One interesting point is one of Technics' earlier cassette deck. With a quartz-controlled closed-loop speed controlled capstan drive scheme, they still only matched the W/F figure of belt driven Naks of that time! One has to take into context all these factors when working on a Nak to realise how they obtained performance from the components and materials they used. The later decks need more careful handling, but then ALL equipment should be handled with similar care. 







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  From: pieter rodgers <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com>
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:24 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !




   thank the lord I have a zx-9
   
  pieter from deutschland
   
   

  > Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 09:34:15 -0500
  > From: fred at marrscom.com
  > To: naktalk at naks.com
  > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
  > 
  > 9-15-12
  > 
  > Hello All,
  > 
  > The ZX-9 is with out a doubt the Nakamichi King above all other models.
  > 
  > The LX-5 is the most dependable.
  > 
  > The CR-7A is trouble prone. Owned 2 new machines, both Junk.
  > 
  > Later, Fred M.
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From hockeyeast at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 16 13:10:56 2012
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (Rich)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 07:10:56 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Zx-9
Message-ID: <6F2C1A99-A760-4A05-B433-76108EBCE8A8@yahoo.com>

I got my zx-9 repaired by perry and I love it. I had a 680, which I thought was very good too. Crapped the bed though, sent to eslabs ( before I knew about perry btw) and it had major issues. So, thank goodness I have a zx-9 too. :)

Sent from my iPhone


From noneyhoney at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 16 13:28:21 2012
From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:58:21 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] A question about belts and take-up spool
In-Reply-To: <201209161002.q8GA05E3004465@zxe.naks.com>
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Hi Ram Well, i guess thats what I will have to do (change the idler tyre). I just ordered a DR2 capstan belt and should have taken the idler also :(Btw, there are a couple of belt sellers on ebay apart from Mars, what are people's experiences regarding the performance of these belts (apart from Mars') ?
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 16 14:16:06 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 22:16:06 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
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Technics RS-M85

Sent from my iPad

On 16 Sep, 2012, at 8:32 PM, "Lucidsounds" <lucidsound at ic24.net> wrote:

> Which Technics deck are you referring to?
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
> 
> Besides the physical built quality, there are more differences between the ZX9 and the CR7. Both use different IEC standards (1976 for the ZX-9 and 1981 for CR-7) as well as different transports and different electronics. Because the CR-7 was also produced when digital media (such as CDs and soon after DAT) were becoming main-stream, the sound itself is reminiscent of this new media. Remember that Mini-Disc was released just two years after the CR-7 hit the market. Listening to other decks of the same period from Sony and Aiwa, it is a good conclusion that decks were intended to sound less vinyl (like the ZX-9) did and more clean and straight. 
> 
> This argument parallels the legendary analogue vs digital, tube vs transistor and straight-wire with gain approach (that Naim fans attest to) vs warm and bloom in their music. 
> 
> It comes down to what the individual's taste is like that determines what he (or she) thinks is the king of all Naks.  
> 
> I do agree that the CR-7 ( and the Dragon) leave plenty to be desired in the build quality. With maturing manufacturing process, companies had learnt to eke out more with less and got the performance they wanted out of less well built transports like the Sankyo. One interesting point is one of Technics' earlier cassette deck. With a quartz-controlled closed-loop speed controlled capstan drive scheme, they still only matched the W/F figure of belt driven Naks of that time! One has to take into context all these factors when working on a Nak to realise how they obtained performance from the components and materials they used. The later decks need more careful handling, but then ALL equipment should be handled with similar care. 
> 
> 
> 
> From: pieter rodgers <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com>
> To: naktalk at naks.com 
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:24 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
> 
> 
>  thank the lord I have a zx-9
>  
> pieter from deutschland
>  
>  
> > Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 09:34:15 -0500
> > From: fred at marrscom.com
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
> > 
> > 9-15-12
> > 
> > Hello All,
> > 
> > The ZX-9 is with out a doubt the Nakamichi King above all other models.
> > 
> > The LX-5 is the most dependable.
> > 
> > The CR-7A is trouble prone. Owned 2 new machines, both Junk.
> > 
> > Later, Fred M.
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 16 16:01:15 2012
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 07:01:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
In-Reply-To: <FCBEB412-9774-4D5B-80E0-B1C58666F2BA@yahoo.com>
References: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>
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>... and got the performance they wanted out of less well  built transports like the Sankyo. 


A word or two to defend the much maligned Sankyo transport... 


In DEC there was a saying that the goal of any design was to get high performance, 

high quality and low cost -- and you can pick any two (but not all three). IOW, if one

wants high performance and high quality, the cost must be high; to reduce cost one 

must give up either performance or quality. 


Looking at the classic transport... Nak engineers were faced to with the need to 

reduce cost. Reducing performance wasn't even an option, so build quality had to 

suffer. However, not by much, seeing that 30 year old thousands (maybe tens of 

thousands) Sankyo transports are still running happily. 


Another important feature is reparability -- compare the ease of replacing a Sankyo 

transport idler vs. the  same job on the classic transport...


-- Ron





>________________________________
> From: Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 8:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
> 
>
>Technics RS-M85
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On 16 Sep, 2012, at 8:32 PM, "Lucidsounds" <lucidsound at ic24.net> wrote:
>
>
>Which Technics deck are you referring 
to?
>> 
>> 
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: Bala Ganesh  Chandra 
>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:49  AM
>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF  ALL NAKS !
>>>
>>>
>>>Besides the physical built quality, there are more differences between  the ZX9 and the CR7. Both use different IEC standards (1976 for the ZX-9 and  1981 for CR-7) as well as different transports and different electronics.  Because the CR-7 was also produced when digital media (such as CDs and soon  after DAT) were becoming main-stream, the sound itself is reminiscent of this  new media. Remember that Mini-Disc was released just two years after the CR-7  hit the market. Listening to other decks of the same period from Sony and  Aiwa, it is a good conclusion that decks were intended to sound less vinyl  (like the ZX-9) did and more clean and straight. 
>>>
>>>
>>>This  argument parallels the legendary analogue vs digital, tube vs transistor and  straight-wire with gain approach (that Naim fans attest to) vs warm and bloom  in their music. 
>>>
>>>
>>>It  comes down to what the individual's taste is like that determines what he (or  she) thinks is the king of all Naks.  
>>>
>>>
>>>I  do agree that the CR-7 ( and the Dragon) leave plenty to be desired in the  build quality. With maturing manufacturing process, companies had learnt to  eke out more with less and got the performance they wanted out of less well  built transports like the Sankyo. One interesting point is one of Technics'  earlier cassette deck. With a quartz-controlled closed-loop speed controlled  capstan drive scheme, they still only matched the W/F figure of belt driven  Naks of that time! One has to take into context all these factors when working  on a Nak to realise how they obtained performance from the components and  materials they used. The later decks need more careful handling, but then ALL  equipment should be handled with similar care. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: pieter rodgers  <the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com>
>>>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:24  AM
>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk]  ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> thank the lord I have a zx-9
>>> 
>>>pieter from 
  deutschland
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 09:34:15 -0500
>>>> From: fred at marrscom.com
>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>>>> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 
  IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
>>>> 
>>>> 9-15-12
>>>> 
>>>> Hello 
  All,
>>>> 
>>>> The ZX-9 is with out a doubt the Nakamichi King above 
  all other models.
>>>> 
>>>> The LX-5 is the most dependable.
>>>> 
>>>> The CR-7A is trouble prone. Owned 2 new machines, both Junk.
>>>> 
>>>> Later, Fred M.
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 16 16:59:51 2012
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 07:59:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] A question about belts and take-up spool
In-Reply-To: <COL107-W1936373E35EFEF8DDB678AC9960@phx.gbl>
References: <201209161002.q8GA05E3004465@zxe.naks.com>
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Soumitra,

Most folks here prefer then Marrs belts for the capstans to any other belts sold on ebay. B&W in UK also sells some quality belts. 

Ram.

________________________________
 From: s b <noneyhoney at hotmail.com>
To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] A question about belts and take-up spool
 

 
Hi Ram 
Well, i guess thats what I will have to do (change the idler tyre). I just ordered a DR2 capstan belt and should have taken the idler also :(
Btw, there are a couple of belt sellers on ebay apart from Mars, what are people's experiences regarding the performance of these belts (apart from Mars') ?

Thanks and regards
Soumitra
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From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Mon Sep 17 12:06:47 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:06:47 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
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Wrong...The 1000zxl is King of Kings

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Marrs
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:34 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !

9-15-12

Hello All,

The ZX-9 is with out a doubt the Nakamichi King above all other models.

The LX-5 is the most dependable.

The CR-7A is trouble prone. Owned 2 new machines, both Junk.

Later, Fred M.
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 17 14:10:58 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:10:58 +1000
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
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Scott,

It's surprising how the ZXL has gone from a maligned monster to a tour de force. However, given the time period in which the ZXL came, I have to admit that it has certain limitations that are inherent in its DNA. Later decks were engineered to address these as cassette technology evolved. 

While we might try to address some of these issues through upgrades and mods, the design of the deck and the rest of its parts still very much define the machine itself. The ZXL, for what it is, will be loved by some, regarded by many and loathed by a few. But it occupies a place in the pantheon of Naks as does all other decks Nak ever produced. 

My wife asked me over tea, what is that one favorite deck in my collection. Without thinking twice, I gave my answer which surprised her. While I maintain an almost complete collection of Naks ( having bought another Limited), my most favourite deck is not a Nak. It does not have the strengths that the various Naks have. But it's the one deck I return to, whose music soothes me through live's toughest moments. It does not have auto azimuth control, Does not flip tapes, and doesn't have rumbling lows or sweet highs. But it has been with me since I was two years old and in my eyes is my king. 

Once again I say, to all of us our decks are kings in our eyes. Let's talk something else. 

Sent from my iPad

On 17 Sep, 2012, at 8:06 PM, "Garner, Scott H" <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:

> Wrong...The 1000zxl is King of Kings
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Marrs
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:34 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
> 
> 9-15-12
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> The ZX-9 is with out a doubt the Nakamichi King above all other models.
> 
> The LX-5 is the most dependable.
> 
> The CR-7A is trouble prone. Owned 2 new machines, both Junk.
> 
> Later, Fred M.
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From serbianduke13 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 13:54:38 2012
From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:54:38 +0200
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
In-Reply-To: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689E529D@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
References: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>
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what about 682 ZX? I think that he is very close to ZX-9 and even better in
tube like sound...

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Garner, Scott H
<scott.h.garner at lmco.com>wrote:

> Wrong...The 1000zxl is King of Kings
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
> Behalf Of Fred Marrs
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:34 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
>
> 9-15-12
>
> Hello All,
>
> The ZX-9 is with out a doubt the Nakamichi King above all other models.
>
> The LX-5 is the most dependable.
>
> The CR-7A is trouble prone. Owned 2 new machines, both Junk.
>
> Later, Fred M.
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From lenaw at flash.net  Mon Sep 17 15:17:12 2012
From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 06:17:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
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Bala:
         If not Naks, what do you want to talk about  :O))


Mike




________________________________
From: Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, September 17, 2012 7:26:28 AM
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !

Scott,

It's surprising how the ZXL has gone from a maligned monster to a tour de force. 
However, given the time period in which the ZXL came, I have to admit that it 
has certain limitations that are inherent in its DNA. Later decks were 
engineered to address these as cassette technology evolved. 


While we might try to address some of these issues through upgrades and mods, 
the design of the deck and the rest of its parts still very much define the 
machine itself. The ZXL, for what it is, will be loved by some, regarded by many 
and loathed by a few. But it occupies a place in the pantheon of Naks as does 
all other decks Nak ever produced. 


My wife asked me over tea, what is that one favorite deck in my collection. 
Without thinking twice, I gave my answer which surprised her. While I maintain 
an almost complete collection of Naks ( having bought another Limited), my most 
favourite deck is not a Nak. It does not have the strengths that the various 
Naks have. But it's the one deck I return to, whose music soothes me through 
live's toughest moments. It does not have auto azimuth control, Does not flip 
tapes, and doesn't have rumbling lows or sweet highs. But it has been with me 
since I was two years old and in my eyes is my king. 


Once again I say, to all of us our decks are kings in our eyes. Let's talk 
something else. 


Sent from my iPad

On 17 Sep, 2012, at 8:06 PM, "Garner, Scott H" <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:

> Wrong...The 1000zxl is King of Kings
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of 
>Fred Marrs
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:34 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
> 
> 9-15-12
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> The ZX-9 is with out a doubt the Nakamichi King above all other models.
> 
> The LX-5 is the most dependable.
> 
> The CR-7A is trouble prone. Owned 2 new machines, both Junk.
> 
> Later, Fred M.
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 17 21:18:49 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:18:49 +1000
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
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Everything else about Naks instead of which is the best.  I really can't fault most people here because this is so much like my two boys and their friends, where the talk is almost the same. 

We are after all boys with our toys. 

Sent from my iPad

On 17 Sep, 2012, at 11:17 PM, LENA WONG <lenaw at flash.net> wrote:

> Bala:
>          If not Naks, what do you want to talk about  :O))
>  
>  
> Mike
> 
> From: Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Mon, September 17, 2012 7:26:28 AM
> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
> 
> Scott,
> 
> It's surprising how the ZXL has gone from a maligned monster to a tour de force. However, given the time period in which the ZXL came, I have to admit that it has certain limitations that are inherent in its DNA. Later decks were engineered to address these as cassette technology evolved. 
> 
> While we might try to address some of these issues through upgrades and mods, the design of the deck and the rest of its parts still very much define the machine itself. The ZXL, for what it is, will be loved by some, regarded by many and loathed by a few. But it occupies a place in the pantheon of Naks as does all other decks Nak ever produced. 
> 
> My wife asked me over tea, what is that one favorite deck in my collection. Without thinking twice, I gave my answer which surprised her. While I maintain an almost complete collection of Naks ( having bought another Limited), my most favourite deck is not a Nak. It does not have the strengths that the various Naks have. But it's the one deck I return to, whose music soothes me through live's toughest moments. It does not have auto azimuth control, Does not flip tapes, and doesn't have rumbling lows or sweet highs. But it has been with me since I was two years old and in my eyes is my king. 
> 
> Once again I say, to all of us our decks are kings in our eyes. Let's talk something else. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 17 Sep, 2012, at 8:06 PM, "Garner, Scott H" <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
> 
> > Wrong...The 1000zxl is King of Kings
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Marrs
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:34 AM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
> > 
> > 9-15-12
> > 
> > Hello All,
> > 
> > The ZX-9 is with out a doubt the Nakamichi King above all other models.
> > 
> > The LX-5 is the most dependable.
> > 
> > The CR-7A is trouble prone. Owned 2 new machines, both Junk.
> > 
> > Later, Fred M.
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 21:10:27 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:10:27 +0200
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk]
In-Reply-To: <51584EC1-814C-427D-A9E9-62DF56595401@yahoo.com>
References: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689E529D@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
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Hi Bal !

Okay different talk:

  What  Do you think ;

  Is  a LOW  leakage current series capacitor   same  or similar   
like the

electrolyte  Capacitors called  LOW NOISE  and used  in N- Decks ?

US PATENT  for LOW NOISE ELECTROLYTIC CAPCITORS NR.4,345,302   Aug. 
17, 1982  by  Inventor Hideo Kurose,Zushi, Japan

Can I replace the LOW NOISE CE   in the ZXL-CPU , 0,68µF with 1µF   ?

I can not finde 0,68, but lots of 1µF AUDIO  capacitors from ELNA or  
NICHICON


Thank you !.......... As you Know, I like to keep the Naks original.

Gerhard



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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 17 22:41:39 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:41:39 +1000
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk]
In-Reply-To: <7B3F160A-5FA1-4B12-9C2C-4E4BB2A2CBCF@gmail.com>
References: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>
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Hi Gerhard,

It all really comes down to the application. With the CPU, it wouldn't really matter because except for the signal path, it's all really electronic control signals. 

It's a shame Black Gates were discontinued because they made a big difference. 

Sent from my iPad

On 18 Sep, 2012, at 5:10 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Bal !
> 
> Okay different talk:
> 
>  What  Do you think ;
> 
>  Is  a LOW  leakage current series capacitor   same  or similar  like the 
> 
> electrolyte  Capacitors called  LOW NOISE  and used  in N- Decks ?
> 
> US PATENT  for LOW NOISE ELECTROLYTIC CAPCITORS NR.4,345,302   Aug.17, 1982  by  Inventor Hideo Kurose,Zushi, Japan
> 
> Can I replace the LOW NOISE CE   in the ZXL-CPU , 0,68µF with 1µF   ?
> 
> I can not finde 0,68, but lots of 1µF AUDIO  capacitors from ELNA or NICHICON
> 
> 
> Thank you !.......... As you Know, I like to keep the Naks original.
> 
> Gerhard
> 
> 
> <Bild 9.jpg>
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 18 02:43:21 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:43:21 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] FW: ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS!
In-Reply-To: <D6EC2331-FE07-4180-AF2E-A343E951FEBD@yahoo.com>
References: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>,
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689E529D@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>,
	<51584EC1-814C-427D-A9E9-62DF56595401@yahoo.com>,
	<1347887832.97197.YahooMailRC@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,
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I'm not so sure how true this is but I've been told in 1985 by an employee next to me: 'The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys'. This ZX-9 talk is really unnecessary to those who have been on the forum for many years.Memory serves as years ago statements came to a conclusion that the ultimate two Naks to keep were the ZX-9/7 and the Dragon.Memory also serves that when talking about the ZX-9, you should also include the ZX-7. Therefore any talk about the ZX series sound/performance should be written as ZX-9/7.Just a Nak blast of the past and to (probably) educate the new Nakers on the group.I'm set with two Dragons and two ZX-7's.Hope this ZX-9 controversary has come to an end.CC: naktalk at naks.com
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:18:49 +1000
To: naktalk at naks.com

Everything else about Naks instead of which is the best.  I really can't fault most people here because this is so much like my two boys and their friends, where the talk is almost the same. 
We are after all boys with our toys. 


   		 	   		  
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 18 03:36:32 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:36:32 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] FW: ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS!
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W42ECEC2BE1F9D9DD4D36ECDB940@phx.gbl>
References: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>
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Message-ID: <C840D854-A33E-4BA8-A6A4-6162C4F913F5@yahoo.com>

Hi Mark, 

It just sums up what I always kept saying. The decks that are worth keeping, in your opinion are the two you have. The other Naks may not be to your liking or music taste and that's totally respected. 

It's just something that seems to come up so often and many members can't seem to move onwards. 

Given the differences between the ZX7 and the ZX9, wouldn't there be a performance gain in your our opinion? 

Sent from my iPhone

On 18/09/2012, at 10:43 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> I'm not so sure how true this is but I've been told in 1985 by an employee next to me:
>  
> 'The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys'.
>  
> This ZX-9 talk is really unnecessary to those who have been on the forum for many years.
> Memory serves as years ago statements came to a conclusion that the ultimate two Naks to keep were the 
> ZX-9/7 and the Dragon.
> Memory also serves that when talking about the ZX-9, you should also include the ZX-7. Therefore any talk about 
> the ZX series sound/performance should be written as ZX-9/7.
> Just a Nak blast of the past and to (probably) educate the new Nakers on the group.
> I'm set with two Dragons and two ZX-7's.
> Hope this ZX-9 controversary has come to an end.
> CC: naktalk at naks.com
> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:18:49 +1000
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> 
> Everything else about Naks instead of which is the best.  I really can't fault most people here because this is so much like my two boys and their friends, where the talk is almost the same. 
> 
> We are after all boys with our toys. 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 18 04:35:23 2012
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:35:23 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] FW: ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS!
In-Reply-To: <C840D854-A33E-4BA8-A6A4-6162C4F913F5@yahoo.com>
References: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>,
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	<1347887832.97197.YahooMailRC@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,
	<D6EC2331-FE07-4180-AF2E-A343E951FEBD@yahoo.com>,
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 If memory serves: I believe the conclusion of the ZX-9 and ZX-7 comparison was thru electronic device testing. Since the ZX-9 has the gear drive, I believe it had better specs in a certain area. Just can' recall since I lost my  old Nak emails when I switched email addresses. I believe also that the conclusion stated that both have the same sound. Even ones individual's golden ears  wouldn't make a diference. I'm guessing these statement were some eight+ year old Nak posts.CC: naktalk at naks.com
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS!
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:36:32 +1000
To: naktalk at naks.com

Hi Mark, 
It just sums up what I always kept saying. The decks that are worth keeping, in your opinion are the two you have. The other Naks may not be to your liking or music taste and that's totally respected. 
It's just something that seems to come up so often and many members can't seem to move onwards. 
Given the differences between the ZX7 and the ZX9, wouldn't there be a performance gain in your our opinion? 
Sent from my iPhone
On 18/09/2012, at 10:43 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:






I'm not so sure how true this is but I've been told in 1985 by an employee next to me:
 
'The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys'.
 
This ZX-9 talk is really unnecessary to those who have been on the forum for many years.
Memory serves as years ago statements came to a conclusion that the ultimate two Naks to keep were the 
ZX-9/7 and the Dragon.
Memory also serves that when talking about the ZX-9, you should also include the ZX-7. Therefore any talk about 
the ZX series sound/performance should be written as ZX-9/7.
Just a Nak blast of the past and to (probably) educate the new Nakers on the group.
I'm set with two Dragons and two ZX-7's.
Hope this ZX-9 controversary has come to an end.
CC: naktalk at naks.com
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:18:49 +1000
To: naktalk at naks.com

Everything else about Naks instead of which is the best.  I really can't fault most people here because this is so much like my two boys and their friends, where the talk is almost the same. 
We are after all boys with our toys. 


  		 	   		  
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 07:52:15 2012
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:52:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] FW: ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS!
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W33635D7A8AA44042455FF0DB940@phx.gbl>
References: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>,
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689E529D@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>,
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	<1347887832.97197.YahooMailRC@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,
	<D6EC2331-FE07-4180-AF2E-A343E951FEBD@yahoo.com>,
	<SNT111-W42ECEC2BE1F9D9DD4D36ECDB940@phx.gbl>,
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Hi Mark,

There is no gear drive in a ZX-9.
The ZX-9  has the classic transport with a DD- Direct drive Motor on  
the take up capstan.

ZX-9  has a Capstan belt for the left Capstan .

Comparing the wow flutter, ZX-9 in good condition should be little  
better than ZX-7

Wow flutter  is depending on the cassette tape used as well.

It would be a long test Series to compare  a ZX-7 to a ZX-9.

I would start with classical Music with Piano and Co.

The Decks must be both  original.

May be you hear  a litter better  ( clear) bass on a ZX-9.

That makes the ZX-7 to one of the nices Decks to me.
Less expensive, stabile  easy to fix transport,

regards

Gerhard





Am 18.09.2012 um 04:35 schrieb Mark Exstedt:

>
>  If memory serves:
>  I believe the conclusion of the ZX-9 and ZX-7 comparison was thru  
> electronic device testing.
>  Since the ZX-9 has the gear drive, I believe it had better specs  
> in a certain area. Just can' recall since I lost my
>  old Nak emails when I switched email addresses.
>  I believe also that the conclusion stated that both have the same  
> sound. Even ones individual's golden ears
>  wouldn't make a diference. I'm guessing these statement were some  
> eight+ year old Nak posts.
> CC: naktalk at naks.com
> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS!
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:36:32 +1000
> To: naktalk at naks.com
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> It just sums up what I always kept saying. The decks that are worth  
> keeping, in your opinion are the two you have. The other Naks may  
> not be to your liking or music taste and that's totally respected.
>
> It's just something that seems to come up so often and many members  
> can't seem to move onwards.
>
> Given the differences between the ZX7 and the ZX9, wouldn't there  
> be a performance gain in your our opinion?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 18/09/2012, at 10:43 AM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm not so sure how true this is but I've been told in 1985 by an  
> employee next to me:
>
> 'The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys'.
>
> This ZX-9 talk is really unnecessary to those who have been on the  
> forum for many years.
> Memory serves as years ago statements came to a conclusion that the  
> ultimate two Naks to keep were the
> ZX-9/7 and the Dragon.
> Memory also serves that when talking about the ZX-9, you should  
> also include the ZX-7. Therefore any talk about
> the ZX series sound/performance should be written as ZX-9/7.
> Just a Nak blast of the past and to (probably) educate the new  
> Nakers on the group.
> I'm set with two Dragons and two ZX-7's.
> Hope this ZX-9 controversary has come to an end.
> CC: naktalk at naks.com
> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:18:49 +1000
> To: naktalk at naks.com
>
> Everything else about Naks instead of which is the best.  I really  
> can't fault most people here because this is so much like my two  
> boys and their friends, where the talk is almost the same.
>
> We are after all boys with our toys.
>
>
>
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From hooograa at ozemail.com.au  Tue Sep 18 01:22:36 2012
From: hooograa at ozemail.com.au (David Povelsen)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:22:36 +1000
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
In-Reply-To: <1347887832.97197.YahooMailRC@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>
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How about, since your can't take your nak out and about like a  
walkman or similar. What are some your favourite personal casette  
players to use? Which ones work better with a nak created tape? Yours  
David
On 17/09/2012, at 11:17 PM, LENA WONG wrote:

> Bala:
>          If not Naks, what do you want to talk about  :O))
>
>
> Mike
>
> From: Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Mon, September 17, 2012 7:26:28 AM
> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
>
> Scott,
>
> It's surprising how the ZXL has gone from a maligned monster to a  
> tour de force. However, given the time period in which the ZXL  
> came, I have to admit that it has certain limitations that are  
> inherent in its DNA. Later decks were engineered to address these  
> as cassette technology evolved.
>
> While we might try to address some of these issues through upgrades  
> and mods, the design of the deck and the rest of its parts still  
> very much define the machine itself. The ZXL, for what it is, will  
> be loved by some, regarded by many and loathed by a few. But it  
> occupies a place in the pantheon of Naks as does all other decks  
> Nak ever produced.
>
> My wife asked me over tea, what is that one favorite deck in my  
> collection. Without thinking twice, I gave my answer which  
> surprised her. While I maintain an almost complete collection of  
> Naks ( having bought another Limited), my most favourite deck is  
> not a Nak. It does not have the strengths that the various Naks  
> have. But it's the one deck I return to, whose music soothes me  
> through live's toughest moments. It does not have auto azimuth  
> control, Does not flip tapes, and doesn't have rumbling lows or  
> sweet highs. But it has been with me since I was two years old and  
> in my eyes is my king.
>
> Once again I say, to all of us our decks are kings in our eyes.  
> Let's talk something else.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 17 Sep, 2012, at 8:06 PM, "Garner, Scott H"  
> <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
>
> > Wrong...The 1000zxl is King of Kings
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]  
> On Behalf Of Fred Marrs
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:34 AM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
> >
> > 9-15-12
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > The ZX-9 is with out a doubt the Nakamichi King above all other  
> models.
> >
> > The LX-5 is the most dependable.
> >
> > The CR-7A is trouble prone. Owned 2 new machines, both Junk.
> >
> > Later, Fred M.
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From rwitt at rochester.rr.com  Tue Sep 18 03:41:27 2012
From: rwitt at rochester.rr.com (Ronald Witt)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:41:27 -0400
Subject: Fwd: [naktalk] FW: ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS!
References: <SNT111-W42ECEC2BE1F9D9DD4D36ECDB940@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <17EE61A6-B9CB-4DEA-87B0-491BA383AF01@rochester.rr.com>

A Nakamichi expert of 40 years told me the ZX-7 was the Nak to buy. I have not looked back. The ZX-9 and Dragon are as beautiful but I don't think any one is better than the other. They all sound great and always will. Most would be hard pressed to tell the difference from one to another. 

Ron

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
> Date: September 17, 2012 8:43:21 PM EDT
> To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] FW: ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS!
> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> 

> 
> I'm not so sure how true this is but I've been told in 1985 by an employee next to me:
>  
> 'The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys'.
>  
> This ZX-9 talk is really unnecessary to those who have been on the forum for many years.
> Memory serves as years ago statements came to a conclusion that the ultimate two Naks to keep were the 
> ZX-9/7 and the Dragon.
> Memory also serves that when talking about the ZX-9, you should also include the ZX-7. Therefore any talk about 
> the ZX series sound/performance should be written as ZX-9/7.
> Just a Nak blast of the past and to (probably) educate the new Nakers on the group.
> I'm set with two Dragons and two ZX-7's.
> Hope this ZX-9 controversary has come to an end.
> CC: naktalk at naks.com
> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:18:49 +1000
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> 
> Everything else about Naks instead of which is the best.  I really can't fault most people here because this is so much like my two boys and their friends, where the talk is almost the same. 
> 
> We are after all boys with our toys. 
> 
> 
>  
>  
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 18 09:46:11 2012
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:46:11 +1000
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
In-Reply-To: <DEEF9E05-C105-47E0-83CA-721C63CE6798@ozemail.com.au>
References: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689E529D@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
	<51584EC1-814C-427D-A9E9-62DF56595401@yahoo.com>
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Now THATS a great one! I used to have a Sony Walkman that had a White die cart metal body. Can't remember the model number but it had a gorgeous sound. My last Walkman was a Aiwa JX749 that played all my Bryan Adams tapes made on my 670Zx and it sounded pretty good. 

More ideas please gents....

Sent from my iPad

On 18 Sep, 2012, at 9:22 AM, David Povelsen <hooograa at ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> How about, since your can't take your nak out and about like a walkman or similar. What are some your favourite personal casette players to use? Which ones work better with a nak created tape? Yours David
> On 17/09/2012, at 11:17 PM, LENA WONG wrote:
> 
>> Bala:
>>          If not Naks, what do you want to talk about  :O))
>>  
>>  
>> Mike
>> 
>> From: Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Mon, September 17, 2012 7:26:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> It's surprising how the ZXL has gone from a maligned monster to a tour de force. However, given the time period in which the ZXL came, I have to admit that it has certain limitations that are inherent in its DNA. Later decks were engineered to address these as cassette technology evolved. 
>> 
>> While we might try to address some of these issues through upgrades and mods, the design of the deck and the rest of its parts still very much define the machine itself. The ZXL, for what it is, will be loved by some, regarded by many and loathed by a few. But it occupies a place in the pantheon of Naks as does all other decks Nak ever produced. 
>> 
>> My wife asked me over tea, what is that one favorite deck in my collection. Without thinking twice, I gave my answer which surprised her. While I maintain an almost complete collection of Naks ( having bought another Limited), my most favourite deck is not a Nak. It does not have the strengths that the various Naks have. But it's the one deck I return to, whose music soothes me through live's toughest moments. It does not have auto azimuth control, Does not flip tapes, and doesn't have rumbling lows or sweet highs. But it has been with me since I was two years old and in my eyes is my king. 
>> 
>> Once again I say, to all of us our decks are kings in our eyes. Let's talk something else. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 17 Sep, 2012, at 8:06 PM, "Garner, Scott H" <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > Wrong...The 1000zxl is King of Kings
>> > 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Marrs
>> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:34 AM
>> > To: naktalk at naks.com
>> > Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
>> > 
>> > 9-15-12
>> > 
>> > Hello All,
>> > 
>> > The ZX-9 is with out a doubt the Nakamichi King above all other models.
>> > 
>> > The LX-5 is the most dependable.
>> > 
>> > The CR-7A is trouble prone. Owned 2 new machines, both Junk.
>> > 
>> > Later, Fred M.
>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Sep 18 11:56:22 2012
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:56:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] personal casette players
In-Reply-To: <7C171498-D5B3-46EC-BD90-EAED83ABF1ED@yahoo.com>
References: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689E529D@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
	<51584EC1-814C-427D-A9E9-62DF56595401@yahoo.com>
	<1347887832.97197.YahooMailRC@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<DEEF9E05-C105-47E0-83CA-721C63CE6798@ozemail.com.au>
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Message-ID: <b7d835e910a4bb23158feb1ef253469b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Agreed!
I mainly used my Sony WM-2 (black) that i bought (new) with carefully
saved money back in the day... loved it and used it a lot. Still have it
somewhere and is in need of a new belt like many of these players. I
replaced it with some other model, remote control in the headphones, auto
reverse, dolby b/c metal case very tiny...
These days it is my Android phone that does the job ;-)

Did buy a Sony WM-7 not so long ago, just because I always fancied it.

Wouter

> Now THATS a great one! I used to have a Sony Walkman that had a White die
> cart metal body. Can't remember the model number but it had a gorgeous
> sound. My last Walkman was a Aiwa JX749 that played all my Bryan Adams
> tapes made on my 670Zx and it sounded pretty good.
>
> More ideas please gents....
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 18 Sep, 2012, at 9:22 AM, David Povelsen <hooograa at ozemail.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> How about, since your can't take your nak out and about like a walkman
>> or similar. What are some your favourite personal casette players to
>> use? Which ones work better with a nak created tape? Yours David
>> On 17/09/2012, at 11:17 PM, LENA WONG wrote:
>>




From scott.h.garner at lmco.com  Tue Sep 18 12:34:51 2012
From: scott.h.garner at lmco.com (Garner, Scott H)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:34:51 +0000
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] FW: ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS!
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W42ECEC2BE1F9D9DD4D36ECDB940@phx.gbl>
References: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689E529D@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
	<51584EC1-814C-427D-A9E9-62DF56595401@yahoo.com>
	<1347887832.97197.YahooMailRC@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<D6EC2331-FE07-4180-AF2E-A343E951FEBD@yahoo.com>
	<SNT111-W42ECEC2BE1F9D9DD4D36ECDB940@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689E549E@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>

I currently  own 3 1000zxl and have owned 1 dragon. The top end response of the 1000zxl is superior to the dragon.

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 8:43 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] FW: ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS!


I'm not so sure how true this is but I've been told in 1985 by an employee next to me:

'The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys'.

This ZX-9 talk is really unnecessary to those who have been on the forum for many years.
Memory serves as years ago statements came to a conclusion that the ultimate two Naks to keep were the
ZX-9/7 and the Dragon.
Memory also serves that when talking about the ZX-9, you should also include the ZX-7. Therefore any talk about
the ZX series sound/performance should be written as ZX-9/7.
Just a Nak blast of the past and to (probably) educate the new Nakers on the group.
I'm set with two Dragons and two ZX-7's.
Hope this ZX-9 controversary has come to an end.
________________________________
CC: naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com<mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:18:49 +1000
To: naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
Everything else about Naks instead of which is the best.  I really can't fault most people here because this is so much like my two boys and their friends, where the talk is almost the same.

We are after all boys with our toys.




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From lenaw at flash.net  Tue Sep 18 15:07:33 2012
From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:07:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
In-Reply-To: <DEEF9E05-C105-47E0-83CA-721C63CE6798@ozemail.com.au>
References: <505491E7.7000609@marrscom.com>
	<A8BA33D5C3959E45BDC166ED2FED44689E529D@HVXDSP21.us.lmco.com>
	<51584EC1-814C-427D-A9E9-62DF56595401@yahoo.com>
	<1347887832.97197.YahooMailRC@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<DEEF9E05-C105-47E0-83CA-721C63CE6798@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <1347973653.90417.YahooMailRC@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I use a SONY WM-D6C for twenty years. It sounds pretty good as a Walkman.


Mike




________________________________
From: David Povelsen <hooograa at ozemail.com.au>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, September 18, 2012 1:48:10 AM
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !

How about, since your can't take your nak out and about like a walkman or 
similar. What are some your favourite personal casette players to use? Which 
ones work better with a nak created tape? Yours David

On 17/09/2012, at 11:17 PM, LENA WONG wrote:

Bala:
>         If not Naks, what do you want to talk about  :O))
>
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: Bala Ganesh <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Mon, September 17, 2012 7:26:28 AM
>Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
>
>Scott,
>
>It's surprising how the ZXL has gone from a maligned monster to a tour de force. 
>However, given the time period in which the ZXL came, I have to admit that it 
>has certain limitations that are inherent in its DNA. Later decks were 
>engineered to address these as cassette technology evolved. 
>
>
>While we might try to address some of these issues through upgrades and mods, 
>the design of the deck and the rest of its parts still very much define the 
>machine itself. The ZXL, for what it is, will be loved by some, regarded by many 
>and loathed by a few. But it occupies a place in the pantheon of Naks as does 
>all other decks Nak ever produced. 
>
>
>My wife asked me over tea, what is that one favorite deck in my collection. 
>Without thinking twice, I gave my answer which surprised her. While I maintain 
>an almost complete collection of Naks ( having bought another Limited), my most 
>favourite deck is not a Nak. It does not have the strengths that the various 
>Naks have. But it's the one deck I return to, whose music soothes me through 
>live's toughest moments. It does not have auto azimuth control, Does not flip 
>tapes, and doesn't have rumbling lows or sweet highs. But it has been with me 
>since I was two years old and in my eyes is my king. 
>
>
>Once again I say, to all of us our decks are kings in our eyes. Let's talk 
>something else. 
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On 17 Sep, 2012, at 8:06 PM, "Garner, Scott H" <scott.h.garner at lmco.com> wrote:
>
>> Wrong...The 1000zxl is King of Kings
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of 
>>Fred Marrs
>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:34 AM
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] ZX-9 IS KING OF ALL NAKS !
>> 
>> 9-15-12
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> The ZX-9 is with out a doubt the Nakamichi King above all other models.
>> 
>> The LX-5 is the most dependable.
>> 
>> The CR-7A is trouble prone. Owned 2 new machines, both Junk.
>> 
>> Later, Fred M.
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki 
>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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From nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 16:56:57 2012
From: nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com (KJ Bleus Parsons)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:56:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Digest, Vol 115, Issue 17 (Nak ZX9 Info)
Message-ID: <CAAbKz-FW03BJO-D8-THLBSLKsfoM-Pcq5PnHSh+mseD8ahK6XQ@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll
have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.


For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette
decks, check-out this info....

Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
*
https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110
*


Rgds,

*KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA*

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From the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 18 19:18:15 2012
From: the1andonlypieper at hotmail.com (pieter rodgers)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:18:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Digest, Vol 115, Issue 17 (Nak ZX9 Info)
In-Reply-To: <CAAbKz-FW03BJO-D8-THLBSLKsfoM-Pcq5PnHSh+mseD8ahK6XQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAbKz-FW03BJO-D8-THLBSLKsfoM-Pcq5PnHSh+mseD8ahK6XQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY156-W56515F84609919B3570054E3940@phx.gbl>


hiya,
 
your link only brings me to skydrive but not to any file i can read...
regards
 
pieter fron germany
 



Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:56:57 -0500
From: nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
CC: nakenthusiast51 at gmail.com
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Digest, Vol 115, Issue 17 (Nak ZX9 Info)

Greetings,

Its been a while for me and NakTalk, but now that I'm semi-retired, I'll have a bit more time for playing around with my audio gear <grin>.


For those that are seeking comparison knowledge for the ZX7 & ZX9 cassette decks, check-out this info....

Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Advert (Audio Magazine, Sept 1982)
https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=612e47a0425049ee!cid=612E47A0425049EE&id=612E47A0425049EE%21110


Rgds,

KJ Bleus Parsons
Madison, Wisconsin   USA

Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W



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From jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr  Mon Sep 24 17:16:19 2012
From: jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr (Jean-Jerome PREJEAN)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:16:19 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] pb 1000
Message-ID: <6A0C0C13-71F5-440B-9728-F43320C73E5F@orange.fr>

Hi guys
i have problems with the left channel
on my  1000 type II
signal very weak
heads    RH and PH  cleaned with
a cassette 


From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Mon Sep 24 18:50:56 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:50:56 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] pb 1000
In-Reply-To: <6A0C0C13-71F5-440B-9728-F43320C73E5F@orange.fr>
References: <6A0C0C13-71F5-440B-9728-F43320C73E5F@orange.fr>
Message-ID: <CAM9V8Mftup0kLYYWvY68hoH_oKm98zPJRbfRK2+h-B5zVr18JA@mail.gmail.com>

Suspect:
A)  Step # 2 in the adjustment procedures "playback amp offset adjust"
B)  Bad relay contacts on any of the three small relays in the deck - one
is on the record Dolby board and two are on the main board.  These relays
are nearly impossible to clean and the pin configuration is no longer
available.  I've made an adapter circuit board with a replacement relay of
exactly the same spec as the original which I have available for $25 each
if you find the need.
C)  Bad contacts on the plug in boards.

Best of luck.
Willy

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Jean-Jerome PREJEAN <
jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr> wrote:

> Hi guys
> i have problems with the left channel
> on my  1000 type II
> signal very weak
> heads    RH and PH  cleaned with
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From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 25 23:59:09 2012
From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:59:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassette tapes anyone ?
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Anyone need some new blank cassette tapes ? I ordered 20 and will let you know how they are.. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blank-Audio-Cassette-Tape-Radio-Shack-SHD-110-High-Bias-in-a-20-Lot-A0-2PRS110-/230752187563?pt=US_Audio_Tapes&hash=item35b9e6f4ab    Thomas.
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From serbianduke13 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 26 12:54:37 2012
From: serbianduke13 at gmail.com (Dragan Vojvodic)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:54:37 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassette tapes anyone ?
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Hello Thomas,

I am interested, but I dont know how can you send it to Europe, Serbia?

Dragon

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 11:59 PM, thomas <thomas36245-net at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Anyone need some new blank cassette tapes ? I ordered 20 and will let you
> know how they are..
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blank-Audio-Cassette-Tape-Radio-Shack-SHD-110-High-Bias-in-a-20-Lot-A0-2PRS110-/230752187563?pt=US_Audio_Tapes&hash=item35b9e6f4ab
> Thomas.
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From jmrecchia at gmail.com  Wed Sep 26 20:22:14 2012
From: jmrecchia at gmail.com (Flavio Belato)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 15:22:14 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon bias issue in record mode
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Hello!

II live in Brazil and we have no technicians specialized in Nakamichi here,
there is no way to send this deck to be serviced in country and the
shipping costs to send over sea are very hight, so, I would ask to you a
help to try to solve a Dragon issue.
The bias level is decreasing while recording.

I can do the calibration successfully in 400Hz  and 15Hz to the 0 point
getting a flat recording.

At the beginning of the recording, the level of treble (bias) is ok
(listening and also on the meter) at the beginning, middle and at the end
of A and B tape sides (if I fast forward by the way to check the level in
diferent places of the tape),  so I believe that the head alignment is
correct.
If I put this deck recording, after approximately 15 minutes recording
continuously , the bias level decreases slowly and gradually and can be
noticed at the end of A side and for all B side.
This decrease in bias level is clearly heard using the Tape / Source button
and even rewinding the tape and listening "Play" mode.

Someone knows this issue? Maybe orange caps?

Many thanks to all.

Best regards from Brazil.

Flavio.
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Wed Sep 26 23:31:46 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:31:46 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon bias issue in record mode
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Do you know that it is the bias which is decreasing or are you saying the
high frequency of the recording is decreasing?

Willy

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Flavio Belato <jmrecchia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello!
>
> II live in Brazil and we have no technicians specialized in Nakamichi
> here, there is no way to send this deck to be serviced in country and the
> shipping costs to send over sea are very hight, so, I would ask to you a
> help to try to solve a Dragon issue.
> The bias level is decreasing while recording.
>
> I can do the calibration successfully in 400Hz  and 15Hz to the 0 point
> getting a flat recording.
>
> At the beginning of the recording, the level of treble (bias) is ok
> (listening and also on the meter) at the beginning, middle and at the end
> of A and B tape sides (if I fast forward by the way to check the level in
> diferent places of the tape),  so I believe that the head alignment is
> correct.
> If I put this deck recording, after approximately 15 minutes recording
> continuously , the bias level decreases slowly and gradually and can be
> noticed at the end of A side and for all B side.
> This decrease in bias level is clearly heard using the Tape / Source
> button and even rewinding the tape and listening "Play" mode.
>
> Someone knows this issue? Maybe orange caps?
>
> Many thanks to all.
>
> Best regards from Brazil.
>
> Flavio.
>
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From jmrecchia at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 00:34:10 2012
From: jmrecchia at gmail.com (Flavio Belato)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:34:10 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon bias issue in record mode
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Hello Willy!

The high frequency of the recording is decreasing after 15 minutes recording,
if at this time I try to calibrate the bias again, I realize that the meter is
no longer showing 0 (Cal) point, it shows a lower value.

Many thanks per your attention!

Best regards from Brazil.

Flavio.

2012/9/26 Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>

> Do you know that it is the bias which is decreasing or are you saying the
> high frequency of the recording is decreasing?
>
> Willy
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Flavio Belato <jmrecchia at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> II live in Brazil and we have no technicians specialized in Nakamichi
>> here, there is no way to send this deck to be serviced in country and the
>> shipping costs to send over sea are very hight, so, I would ask to you a
>> help to try to solve a Dragon issue.
>> The bias level is decreasing while recording.
>>
>> I can do the calibration successfully in 400Hz  and 15Hz to the 0 point
>> getting a flat recording.
>>
>> At the beginning of the recording, the level of treble (bias) is ok
>> (listening and also on the meter) at the beginning, middle and at the end
>> of A and B tape sides (if I fast forward by the way to check the level in
>> diferent places of the tape),  so I believe that the head alignment is
>> correct.
>> If I put this deck recording, after approximately 15 minutes recording
>> continuously , the bias level decreases slowly and gradually and can be
>> noticed at the end of A side and for all B side.
>> This decrease in bias level is clearly heard using the Tape / Source
>> button and even rewinding the tape and listening "Play" mode.
>>
>> Someone knows this issue? Maybe orange caps?
>>
>> Many thanks to all.
>>
>> Best regards from Brazil.
>>
>> Flavio.
>>
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Fri Sep 28 00:38:53 2012
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:38:53 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon bias issue in record mode
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This symptom can be cause by loss of tape-head contact.  If you stop and
restart the deck will the high frequencies jump back to normal, then slowly
decrease again -- or once the machine as been recording for 15 minutes does
the high frequency problem persist?

Willy

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Flavio Belato <jmrecchia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Willy!
>
> The high frequency of the recording is decreasing after 15 minutes
> recording, if at this time I try to calibrate the bias again, I realize
> that the meter is no longer showing 0 (Cal) point, it shows a lower value.
>
> Many thanks per your attention!
>
>
> Best regards from Brazil.
>
> Flavio.
>
> 2012/9/26 Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>
>> Do you know that it is the bias which is decreasing or are you saying the
>> high frequency of the recording is decreasing?
>>
>> Willy
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Flavio Belato <jmrecchia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> II live in Brazil and we have no technicians specialized in Nakamichi
>>> here, there is no way to send this deck to be serviced in country and the
>>> shipping costs to send over sea are very hight, so, I would ask to you a
>>> help to try to solve a Dragon issue.
>>> The bias level is decreasing while recording.
>>>
>>> I can do the calibration successfully in 400Hz  and 15Hz to the 0 point
>>> getting a flat recording.
>>>
>>> At the beginning of the recording, the level of treble (bias) is ok
>>> (listening and also on the meter) at the beginning, middle and at the end
>>> of A and B tape sides (if I fast forward by the way to check the level in
>>> diferent places of the tape),  so I believe that the head alignment is
>>> correct.
>>> If I put this deck recording, after approximately 15 minutes recording
>>> continuously , the bias level decreases slowly and gradually and can be
>>> noticed at the end of A side and for all B side.
>>> This decrease in bias level is clearly heard using the Tape / Source
>>> button and even rewinding the tape and listening "Play" mode.
>>>
>>> Someone knows this issue? Maybe orange caps?
>>>
>>> Many thanks to all.
>>>
>>> Best regards from Brazil.
>>>
>>> Flavio.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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